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03:25:20 <IoTPanic> Moirnin
03:25:38 <Ampera> morning IoTPanic
03:25:40 <rust_collector> good mourning
03:25:54 <Ampera> who died?
03:26:08 <rust_collector> my will to do anything
03:26:28 <Ampera> haha, sounds just like my heart, soul, and will to live.
03:26:44 <Ampera> depression is fucking awesome, I love it. it make life worth living.
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03:27:10 <rust_collector> I was outside harvesting rust, as you do on a sunday, then I found someone had filled the side sill of the car I was picking from with expanding foam
03:27:43 <Ampera> side sill? Just the edge of the footwell or are you talking about the door?
03:27:49 <Ampera> either way, expanding foam sounds fun. :P
03:28:12 <rust_collector> the "frame" part of the car, sort of
03:28:28 <Ampera> well, look at the bright side
03:28:30 <Ampera> insulation
03:28:41 <rust_collector> yeah, there is that
03:28:54 <Ampera> it could have been filled with concrete
03:29:12 <rust_collector> if it had, it would probably not have rusted out like this
03:29:34 <rust_collector> and it would balance the car, if the driver is fat
03:30:03 <Ampera> are you fat?
03:30:37 <rust_collector> hmmm. good question. in theory I am, but no one says I am.
03:30:47 <rust_collector> I guess I am slightly overweight
03:31:15 <IoTPanic> Morning everyone, you're beautiful rust, don't let Ampera call you otherwise
03:31:29 * IoTPanic yawns
03:31:29 <Ampera> well how much do you weigh and how tall?
03:31:36 <Ampera> I didn't call him fat
03:31:37 <Ampera> yet
03:31:40 <IoTPanic> Lmao
03:31:51 <rust_collector> 235lbs and 6'3"
03:31:54 <Ampera> I'm 155lbs and 5'7"
03:32:08 <Ampera> That's not that bad, and it depends how much of that is fat and how much is muscle.
03:32:12 <IoTPanic> You a big boy rust, is it all fat or muscle?
03:32:27 <rust_collector> I would say it is a good mix of both
03:32:45 <Ampera> Yeah, that's not bad, at least you've got height.
03:33:12 <rust_collector> I would be short, in holland, I guess
03:33:49 <rust_collector> It is not something I worry about
03:34:03 <IoTPanic> Really? I am considered tall and I am 6'1"
03:34:33 <IoTPanic> Not unusually tall, just along the taller bunch
03:34:37 <Ampera> I'm 5'7" which is fairly short, but my mom is 5'1"
03:34:51 <IoTPanic> Yeah, that is typical
03:34:59 <Ampera> I love how we're probably going to confuse the hell out of all of the upside down people in here.
03:34:59 <rust_collector> I think the dutch was the tallest on average, a few years ago?
03:35:11 <Ampera> with all of our " and 's
03:35:18 <IoTPanic> Wow, go dutch then I guess. No old giants
03:35:23 <IoTPanic> Oh, yeah
03:35:26 <IoTPanic> We do
03:35:37 <IoTPanic> Im using imperial because im a brainwashed american
03:36:07 <rust_collector> I do because I am talking to you
03:36:07 <Ampera> again, the US does /not/ use the imperial system
03:36:09 <Ampera> different units
03:36:13 <Ampera> we have our own system
03:36:31 <IoTPanic> Around here, we all call it the imperial system. Walk into a school and ask
03:36:45 <IoTPanic> I swear to god, I have never heard it called anything else
03:37:03 <rust_collector> standard?
03:37:05 <rust_collector> hmmm
03:37:07 <rust_collector> maybe
03:37:13 <rust_collector> no wait... err
03:37:21 <rust_collector> uuh. no idea
03:37:41 <IoTPanic> What do you call it Ampera?
03:37:41 <Ampera> It's officially the US Customary System.
03:37:52 <IoTPanic> Never heard of that
03:38:00 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units
03:38:01 <rust_collector> rolls nicely off the tongue
03:38:19 <rust_collector> "the ucs"
03:38:40 <IoTPanic> Indeed, Im sorry, I'm a dumb Mainer. We dont even have a city much less a concept of measurement.
03:38:52 <Ampera> fucking Mainiacs.
03:39:10 <IoTPanic> Yes yes, very original
03:39:16 <IoTPanic> XD
03:39:34 <IoTPanic> Massholes usually call us that tho
03:40:34 <rust_collector> I guess my rust collecting hobby made me somewhat ok with the non-metric system. Probably from reading hot rod magazine since I found a place that sold them
03:41:03 <IoTPanic> I have had to start using the metric system at work, and I have to say, I prefer it
03:41:11 <IoTPanic> SOO much easier to switch units
03:41:15 <Ampera> what? that's for Massachusetts
03:41:39 <IoTPanic> Yes
03:41:50 <IoTPanic> Every mainer calls them that
03:41:53 <Ampera> but Maine
03:42:08 <Ampera> you've confused me now
03:42:24 <IoTPanic> Okay, where did I loose you?
03:42:29 <IoTPanic> Keep in mind, lgal cannabis
03:42:46 <IoTPanic> So if I loose you again Im sorry
03:43:07 <Ampera> ah, no it is I who am high as a kite.
03:43:14 <Ampera> either that or tired.
03:43:29 <Ampera> I'm close to a Masshole, I'm a New Yorker.
03:43:43 <Ampera> try to make a good pun with that, it's very hard.
03:44:26 <IoTPanic> Its Sunday morning, you can imagine more than 60% ppl here including me are just baked off their ass. And yeah, we dont have a clever name for New Yorkers, even though everyone rags on you guys during the fall
03:44:28 <Ampera> The best I have is Narcissistic Yob
03:44:57 <IoTPanic> Lmao
03:45:01 <Ampera> yes, you said for some reason New Yorkers go to Maine in the fall, to see the leaves.
03:45:06 <DHess_US> I use imperial because metric isn't base-12.
03:45:08 <Ampera> we have leaves in New York, they turn colours.
03:45:21 <Ampera> imperial isn't exclusively base 12 either.
03:45:23 <IoTPanic> Well, at least you have an Urban area and moving economy.
03:45:39 <DHess_US> No, some of it is base-16
03:45:41 <Ampera> I mean at least we have food to eat that isn't lobster.
03:45:41 <IoTPanic> And I know, I dont understand the leave thing
03:45:57 <IoTPanic> I mean, we do, we mostly export it
03:46:14 <Ampera> keep your damn lobsters, that shit's nasty
03:46:20 <IoTPanic> China LOVES them
03:46:30 <IoTPanic> We export SO much to china
03:46:38 <rust_collector> china eats anything
03:46:46 <Ampera> that's probably the one source of income Maine has.
03:46:50 <IoTPanic> Yep
03:47:04 <IoTPanic> And shoes
03:47:10 <IoTPanic> We have New Balance
03:47:17 <Ampera> who
03:47:27 <Ampera> most shoes are made in Vietnam.
03:47:36 <IoTPanic> The shoe company new balance has a really really big factory here.
03:47:44 <Ampera> or china
03:48:06 <coppice> IoTPanic: China has a deep fascination with any seafood
03:48:07 <rust_collector> is it those concrete filled shoes?
03:48:23 <IoTPanic> I have a pair of new balances, supports my own economy, inexpensive for the quality, and quite nice shoes
03:48:27 <IoTPanic> And no
03:48:46 <IoTPanic> @coppice, I know, it should come as no surprise
03:49:05 <IoTPanic> Why tf, does my IRC client make me use a @ to make the name linkable?
03:49:12 <Ampera> Anyways, gotta head out
03:49:14 <Ampera> ciao
03:49:19 <IoTPanic> Byee
03:50:03 <IoTPanic> Without a @ from everyone else I still get the notification and the linked name, it makes no sense
03:50:18 <IoTPanic> I swear to god, I will write my own IRC client in go
03:50:25 <IoTPanic> I have not found one I love
03:51:24 <IoTPanic> "Facebook Filed a Patent for Tech That Can Predict Where You're Going Next" Of course they did.
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04:26:46 <rust_collector> what irc client do you use now, and on what?
04:29:42 <rust_collector> I keep going back to irssi, I am not sure why, but it works for me
04:30:59 <IoTPanic> IRCCloud
04:31:15 <IoTPanic> My free trial ends today, I liked the fact it works in Franz
04:31:19 <IoTPanic> I love Franz
04:31:36 <IoTPanic> And I like the fact I get a chat history even when I leave
04:32:00 <rust_collector> Franz? never heard of that
04:32:56 <coppice> Franz is on everyone's Liszt
04:33:01 <rust_collector> hah
04:33:26 <rust_collector> hungarian
04:37:35 <DHess_US> YChat compiled in 2009 running on my old dual Pentium 3 Xeon with XP for legacy stuff.
04:39:18 <rust_collector> looks like I have a little electronic repair project coming up, when I am done with the car stuff... A little power supply, labeled as a battery eliminator, and it outputs a 63-ish volts ac... Not 8 to 16v dc as it should.
04:39:22 <rust_collector> YAAY!
04:40:39 <IoTPanic> There you go, and franz is a free program that lets you have twitter, gmail, slack, irc, calender, messenger, and much more in one lace
04:40:59 <IoTPanic> Place** A good communication hub
04:41:31 <rust_collector> I have irssi on a not THAT old core duo machine in the garage. always on, so I can read what you say when I want.
04:42:26 <rust_collector> but I am a simple person, and don't need all the features
04:42:29 <IoTPanic> There you go
04:42:35 <IoTPanic> Thats a good solution
04:43:17 <IoTPanic> I pay monthly for a VPS, should make a project to do something similar and embed it in Franz. Since it's open source
04:43:25 <rust_collector> I need a machine out there anyway, to look up various stuff, so yes, it works well for me. Just ssh into it to chat from inside
04:43:51 <rust_collector> sounds like a nice idea
04:44:06 <IoTPanic> I think I would do something a little more elegant, I enjoy making custom software
04:44:15 <IoTPanic> Dont like something, change it
04:44:43 <IoTPanic> But that's clever, do you use screen as well? Or does it run as a service?
04:44:53 <rust_collector> I use tmux
04:45:11 <IoTPanic> Ah
04:45:27 <rust_collector> similar enough for this I guess
04:46:08 <rust_collector> I am not much of a programmer. I do have the ansi C book, but I never get anywhere with it
04:46:49 <rust_collector> Something tells me I should try basic, like on the 80's confusers
04:47:29 <Ampera> I'm on a bus!
04:47:36 <IoTPanic> Good for you!
04:47:43 <rust_collector> BUS!!!
04:47:54 <IoTPanic> Lmao
04:47:55 <Ampera> currently in Hartford, about to go to Springfield.
04:47:57 <DHess_US> I know people who run their IRC client on a Pi.
04:47:58 <rust_collector> going to candy mountain!!! YAAY!
04:48:20 <Ampera> My client is running on my Surface Pro 3.
04:48:31 <IoTPanic> ew
04:48:35 <Ampera> which is communicating to a ZNC at home.
04:48:45 <Ampera> don't ew me, this is a great tablet.
04:49:03 <IoTPanic> Its the only tablet that runs windows well
04:49:14 <Ampera> i5-5300U, 8GB RAM, and 256GB mSATA SSD is pretty damn good for 425USD
04:49:21 <IoTPanic> Thats whats so great, and its metal, and has a kickstand. I know, I used them
04:49:21 <rust_collector> hmm, if you are into software stuff... do you know anything about porting a java program to work on android?
04:49:28 <IoTPanic> Android runs java
04:49:38 <Ampera> I ran Linux on it, and it ran almost perfectly, but I sort of wanted a Windows machine, and it had a couple minor annoyances.
04:49:42 <IoTPanic> So just have to port to android framework
04:50:17 <IoTPanic> Yeah, couple minor annoyances. It was useless for me specifically Im sure for you its really nice
04:51:00 <rust_collector> So, sort of just tell it that it is on a different kind of machine, and "this" is where you have to look for stuff?
04:51:41 <IoTPanic> Im not big in Java, but there is TONS of material online about making Android applications and porting Android applications
04:51:54 <IoTPanic> Im also not big in Android app development
04:51:58 <Ampera> It worked well, but the wlan driver was slow.
04:52:10 <IoTPanic> I program IoT server back ends at work, server stuff
04:52:16 <IoTPanic> Really?
04:52:18 <rust_collector> I will maybe look at it later. Thanks anyway
04:52:18 <Ampera> Android is a clusterfuck and a half, believe me.
04:52:40 <IoTPanic> I cant wait for that new OS thats supposed to kinda not really replace Android
04:52:52 <IoTPanic> A lot more modern backend wise, or its supposed to be
04:52:58 <rust_collector> android might be a mess squared, but those tablets are really cheap, lol
04:53:15 <IoTPanic> FantaOS or whatever it is
04:53:28 <Ampera> I had an Android tablet for 6 years, and used it literally every day.
04:53:31 <IoTPanic> Fuchsia OS!
04:53:55 <IoTPanic> Yeah, I bought a $79 android tablet YEARS ago, and it lasted forever
04:53:56 <Ampera> starting with the Kindle Fire, then the nVidia Shield Tablet, and then the Lenovo Yoga Tab 3 Plus.
04:53:58 <MrMobodies> I have got a Surface 2 RT given to me. Annoys the hell out me.
04:54:09 <IoTPanic> Ouch
04:54:12 <IoTPanic> RT
04:54:12 <Ampera> Yeah, the consumer surfaces are pretty awful.
04:54:25 <IoTPanic> Yeah, how's Windows ARM?
04:54:28 <MrMobodies> I don't know whether to sell it or try with the firmware jailbreak tools
04:54:33 <Ampera> RT uses UEFI, so I wonder if you couldn't do Linux
04:54:43 <IoTPanic> I would if you could 100%
04:54:48 <IoTPanic> Ouch
04:54:48 <MrMobodies> That would be good I feel so restricted onit
04:54:54 <IoTPanic> I bet
04:55:02 <MrMobodies> The dynamic brightness issue puts mee.
04:55:06 <MrMobodies> puts me off
04:55:19 <IoTPanic> I have given up on Microsoft
04:55:43 <MrMobodies> I find I have make many alterations before I m happy with their stuff.
04:55:45 <Ampera> Yeah, Windows 10 has already started to annoy me slightly, but it's the best option for this tablet.
04:56:02 <Ampera> although I haven't tried x86 Android, but that's not exactly an upgrade.
04:56:12 <IoTPanic> I went from Windows to Linuc back to windows, going back it feels like windows was programmed by a 12 year old
04:56:20 <MrMobodies> I set the metrics in the registry to make the windows smaller.
04:56:25 <IoTPanic> x86 Android is 100% better than ARM windows
04:56:25 <MrMobodies> Everything is too big.
04:56:54 <MrMobodies> I'll take a look at that, later.
04:57:14 <MrMobodies> Is thtat the one for phones?
04:57:32 <IoTPanic> Is what for phones?
04:57:48 <MrMobodies> Nevermind
04:57:53 <Ampera> yeah, but x86 Windows NT is better than x86 Android.
04:58:11 <IoTPanic> Eh... windows in general is trash in my opinion
04:58:11 <Ampera> Any GNU/Linux handily beats both of them, if you have actual driver support.
04:58:19 <MrMobodies> Nice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android-x86
04:58:26 <Ampera> I only run Linux on my desktop now. Arch Linux forever!
04:58:39 <IoTPanic> Driver support in Linux is REALLY good now compared to say 6 years ago
04:58:48 <IoTPanic> Arch will run forever, yes
04:58:58 <IoTPanic> So will CentOS
04:59:20 <MrMobodies> I think I tried it on Blueslacks but it didn't support bluetooth for a batteyr charger. It did work well with a wifi Olympus dictaphone.
04:59:23 <IoTPanic> My mobile Ryzen 7 has better drivers in Linux than windows.
04:59:40 <IoTPanic> Yeah, it does miss some features MrMobodies
05:00:02 <Ampera> Yeah, but even on this relatively well supported tablet, it's just not perfect.
05:00:13 <Ampera> It did work /very/ well, and I could no problem use it if I had no alternative.
05:00:29 <Ampera> 7 second ping on this bus.
05:00:32 <Ampera> (sometimes)
05:00:40 <IoTPanic> Haha
05:00:53 <Ampera> it's going up and down.
05:01:00 <IoTPanic> Im sure
05:01:04 <IoTPanic> Doesnt surprise me
05:01:30 <Ampera> Yeah, it's just a 4G modem strapped to a router/AP
05:01:43 <IoTPanic> Want a new first gun Ampera? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_TaK0WZj2k
05:01:56 <Ampera> can't watch youtube
05:02:02 <IoTPanic> Awwww
05:02:03 <Ampera> the connection would eat shit immediately.
05:02:14 <Ampera> and possibly MAC ban me for eating too much bandwidth.
05:02:22 <IoTPanic> Its a duel 50cal WW2 anti-aircraft turret
05:02:48 <Ampera> I think my first gun will likely be an M1 Garand, but I will probably end up shooting other range guns.
05:03:11 <IoTPanic> From a B-52 I believe
05:03:36 <Ampera> <insert link to forgotten weapons 2 bore double barrel blackpowder rifle here>
05:03:46 <IoTPanic> has anyone been near a C5 taking off or seen one fly? Just gotta bring it up, its awesome
05:03:57 <IoTPanic> irl anyway
05:04:20 <Ampera> I doubt a C5 could make it up a slightly steep hill, nevermind fly.
05:04:42 <IoTPanic> It floats, it looks like its not at ALL going fast enough to fly
05:04:44 <Ampera> it would probably eat shit half way down the road after hitting a cat.
05:04:59 * Ampera is talking about the Sinclair C5
05:05:10 <IoTPanic> Im talking c5 galaxy
05:05:24 <Ampera> I'm not talking, I'm typing.
05:05:44 <IoTPanic> Lockheed C-5 Galaxy anyway, big mothafucka
05:06:49 <Ampera> speaking of which, time to put on rocket man
05:07:13 <IoTPanic> Oh? Is kim nearby?
05:07:21 <Ampera> who the fuck is kim
05:08:00 <IoTPanic> kim jong un, the real life rocket man, do you not remember this?
05:08:27 <Ampera> I'm listening to elton john
05:08:39 <Ampera> not compensating for short john.
05:08:57 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
05:08:58 <IoTPanic> Someone made a music video of rocket man by elton john all about kim jong un
05:09:00 <MrMobodies> Her's a sktech of Kim Un Jong and a bomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syaG6YcR4Lg
05:09:44 <IoTPanic> Because Trump called him rocket man
05:10:14 <IoTPanic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe4PEnyVr9E Watch this when you're off the short bus
05:13:55 <Ampera> and we're off
05:16:22 <MrMobodies> Roast dinner time for me.
05:16:43 <Ampera> mmm, roast what?
05:17:34 <Ampera> SSH works on this bus.
05:17:35 <Ampera> that's good
05:17:49 <IoTPanic> Wow, Im surprised
05:17:57 <IoTPanic> That is good
05:18:01 <IoTPanic> Whats SSH timeout?
05:18:04 <Ampera> why are you surprised
05:18:17 <IoTPanic> Well, what is the default SSH timeout
05:18:22 <Ampera> for what?
05:18:25 <IoTPanic> For openssh-d
05:18:28 <IoTPanic> timeout
05:18:31 <MrMobodies> Roast dinner
05:18:34 <Ampera> timeout to do what
05:18:37 <MrMobodies> with Beef and sausags
05:18:41 <Ampera> what is being roasted, MrMobodies
05:18:47 <MrMobodies> beef
05:18:52 <Ampera> ah, a cornucopia of meats
05:19:05 <IoTPanic> Before ssh server disconnects you and breaks the TCP connection
05:19:20 <Ampera> I think I either have that disabled, or quite long.
05:19:21 <IoTPanic> If timeout>ping your good
05:19:34 <Ampera> ping isn't that that bad.
05:19:46 <Ampera> the 7000ms was just a peak for IRC
05:19:46 <MrMobodies> Here's a joke: Mind you when I have a beef about something that gets roasted as well.
05:20:08 <Ampera> 2/10
05:20:14 <Ampera> please don't try again
05:20:47 <Ampera> but give me some sausages
05:21:01 <MrMobodies> 2/10 yes that is how many sausages I am allwed to eat.
05:21:04 <IoTPanic> Lmao, 308 alt+f4
05:21:14 <IoTPanic> Or 400
05:21:29 <IoTPanic> Or 406, whatever you find applicable to that joke
05:21:42 <Ampera> /part yourself
05:21:45 <IoTPanic> 418 I'm a teapot
05:21:46 <Ampera> lol
05:21:58 <IoTPanic> Thank you RFC
05:22:13 <MrMobodies> An idea I'll add the IRC ping to the dude monitor so I have a graph.
05:22:42 <Ampera> to the IRC stats? Surely that would vary based on where you are.
05:22:44 <IoTPanic> For what? IRC over zigbee?
05:23:03 <MrMobodies> I noticed that "IRC stats" in the list
05:23:14 <IoTPanic> For like usage
05:23:17 <IoTPanic> By users
05:23:43 <IoTPanic> It delivers reports on who talks more and gives a quote, shows when the server was most active
05:23:53 <MrMobodies> A bot.
05:23:57 <IoTPanic> Yep
05:24:15 <MrMobodies> I use to run games in another site a long time ago.
05:24:17 <IoTPanic> They're easy to make with IRC
05:24:19 <Ampera> 4 hour train ride to get from Springfield to Schenectady.
05:24:29 <MrMobodies> Youknow Unreal tournament 99 the first one
05:24:36 <MrMobodies> They had this IRC reporter
05:24:46 <MrMobodies> now you can have as many different reporters
05:24:54 <MrMobodies> and join them to different irc networks
05:25:05 <MrMobodies> with a few scripts I was able to rely stuff between rooms and games
05:25:55 <MrMobodies> It didn't do statistics though just relying from a blank game.
05:26:01 <IoTPanic> Yep, its very few lines of code a python script nowadays to make a IRC or discord bot
05:28:14 <MrMobodies> There was something I was looking at and I found it fascinating. It was called Psycedmuve back then. It was a little unstable when I got it working.
05:28:14 <MrMobodies> http://www.psyced.org/psyc-irc.en.html
05:29:42 <MrMobodies> There is not much about it though but I like the idea.
05:33:09 <MrMobodies> Here we go, a graph on Dude: https://i.imgur.com/sAxtfxQ.jpg
05:33:30 <IoTPanic> Send me one when its filled
05:33:52 <MrMobodies> Sure, I'm going for my Roast sunday now. I'll be back shortly.
05:34:23 <IoTPanic> Alright
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07:12:08 <MrMobodies> The graph is filled: https://i.imgur.com/GL3EGcj.jpg
07:28:36 <Ampera> I'm on a train.
07:32:37 <Halcyon> *yawn*
07:32:38 <Halcyon> Morning
07:34:14 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon, I'm on a train.
07:34:20 <Halcyon> I can see that
07:34:40 <Ampera> You can? Stop stalking me
07:34:46 <Halcyon> <Ampera> I'm on a train.
07:34:55 <Ampera> or activating my webcam, it's probably chewing through the bandwidth this train has
07:35:21 <Halcyon> I only do that when you're getting changed :P
07:35:42 <Ampera> but I never change my clothes...
07:36:11 <Halcyon> Ew
07:36:13 <Halcyon> Stinky
07:36:19 <Ampera> Yes, you are.
07:37:02 <Ampera> Amtrak trains are nice trains.
07:37:11 <IoTPanic> eh
07:37:24 <Ampera> good price if you buy ahead of time too, I got this train Schenectady to Springfield 15 bucks a way.
07:37:43 <IoTPanic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_on_Amtrak
07:38:15 <IoTPanic> Including collisions and derailments, two separate lists XD Rather long put together
07:38:17 <Ampera> Now show me a list of car and bus accidents.
07:38:45 <IoTPanic> True, but bring up list of accidents of any other train company not in east asia
07:38:52 <Ampera> compared to how many trains Amtrak runs, I feel perfectly safe on Amtrak.
07:38:58 <Halcyon> We need high speed rail here
07:39:01 <IoTPanic> Yeah, you should
07:39:14 <Ampera> You need a high speed rail up your ass, Halcyon.
07:39:23 <Halcyon> But I'm a top?
07:39:26 <IoTPanic> Im just bringing up a point about Amtrack XD They dont have the BEST safety record
07:39:50 <IoTPanic> Lots of operator error
07:40:16 <Ampera> They're still nice trains, and it's not that long of a list.
07:40:44 <IoTPanic> They are. Its America's rail system thats poor. lack of planning
07:41:06 <IoTPanic> Taking a train is in cases much more expensive and takes days when it shouldnt
07:41:13 * Halcyon stares at the coffee plunger, waiting for it to brew long enough
07:41:14 <Ampera> It's, as with many things, a catch-22. You need a good rail system to attract passengers, but you need passengers to build a good rail system.
07:41:33 <Ampera> yeah, but it's a friggin train, trains are cool
07:41:39 <IoTPanic> In America, for example, kentucky to anywhere north of Virginia. And True, and true
07:41:45 <Ampera> they are also WAY more comfortable than busses.
07:41:48 <IoTPanic> Yes
07:41:52 <IoTPanic> With food and wifi
07:41:58 <Ampera> busses have wifi
07:42:01 <IoTPanic> True
07:42:05 <IoTPanic> MOST do
07:42:12 <Halcyon> Is it free?
07:42:16 <Ampera> All of Peter Pan's do.
07:42:17 <Ampera> Yes.
07:42:21 <Halcyon> Oh that's good
07:42:27 <Halcyon> Otherwise you may as well use LTE
07:42:31 <IoTPanic> Yeah, you pay for it with your ticket
07:42:36 <Ampera> I don't have a data plan, in effect.
07:42:47 <Ampera> I have around 500mb of back data from my very generous plan
07:43:02 <Ampera> because unlike you, I don't need to rely on it on a daily basis.
07:43:19 <Halcyon> I actually wouldn't mind if I had to rely on it
07:43:26 <Halcyon> The mobile networks here are excellent
07:43:35 <Halcyon> I don't remember the last time I didn't have coverage
07:43:51 <Ampera> I bet if you went into central bumblefuck you'd not have any.
07:44:00 <Halcyon> You'd be surprised
07:44:30 <Ampera> Idk how good our cellular networks are, because I never use them.
07:44:34 <Halcyon> https://www.telstra.com.au/coverage-networks/our-coverage
07:45:01 <Halcyon> Those uncovered bits are literally in the middle of no where with no one around for hundreds of kilometres
07:45:33 <IoTPanic> I find America's cellular network disappointing
07:45:37 <Ampera> am on train, train has poo internet
07:45:51 <IoTPanic> Well, you're constantly switching cell cells
07:45:56 <Ampera> I can do IRC, SSH, and go to very basic sites like gmail, but that's about it.
07:46:24 <Halcyon> Cell handoff generally isn't an issue, it's when you have no cell to jump to.
07:46:27 <Ampera> I don't give two shits about the cellular network, I don't like phones, and am perfectly fine with just a home internet connection.
07:46:33 <IoTPanic> Plus multiple people on one constantly changing cells cellular interface is not ideal
07:46:45 <IoTPanic> And tell that to a datarate
07:46:49 <Ampera> No, it's bandwidth, it's a train full of people who all want to use the wlan
07:46:52 <Halcyon> Wait until my internet connection is faster than your Ampera :P
07:47:06 <IoTPanic> Well, youre literally the only one on it
07:47:08 <Ampera> Not gonna happen over 5G, I'm telling you.
07:47:12 <Halcyon> Ampera, send a deauth packet and bump everyone off the network :P
07:47:23 <IoTPanic> Yes, personnel fav
07:47:32 <Halcyon> We can already get faster than 1Gbps on 4G
07:47:33 <Ampera> I could call up my computer at home via SSH and nuke the train, but that's very illegal.
07:47:41 <Halcyon> 5G will be even faster again
07:47:42 <Ampera> Yes, but will they /give/ you that?
07:47:48 <Halcyon> What do you mean "give"
07:47:51 <IoTPanic> How would that help you? Ampera
07:48:09 <IoTPanic> A deauth packet is from your surface to everyone else so you can hog the connection
07:48:25 <Ampera> Theoretical and maximum tower to phone speeds might be what you're quoting, but when it comes down to how fast they will actually cap you at, or that you can manage through neighboring noise, I doubt it will ever reach gigabit.
07:48:40 <Ampera> never heard of it
07:48:50 <Ampera> and also sounds to be of dubious legality.
07:48:54 <IoTPanic> Grey area
07:49:02 <Halcyon> Connections aren't shaped here unless you're with one of those dodgy virtual mobile operators (as opposed to the carrier themselves) or you've hit your data limit
07:49:22 <IoTPanic> Ampera is talking about physics Halcyon
07:49:32 <IoTPanic> You may get 1Gbps RIGHT next to the tower
07:49:36 <Ampera> I'm not saying traffic shaping, I'm saying the tower can only provide so much throughput to so many devices
07:49:52 <IoTPanic> But after dropped apckets, interference, noise floor, reflection distortion
07:50:00 <Ampera> and you're not going to get that through A. interference, and B. other people on the line
07:50:29 <Ampera> not to mention, it also depends on how fast the tower's connection is. A gigabit link to a tower is all well and good, but if it's only 100mbps link to the tower, that's not all too useful.
07:51:22 <Ampera> I mean prove me wrong when you get it set up, I'd be genuinely impressed if you can get reliable 800/800, which is about what we get best case scenario.
07:51:39 <Ampera> and with good latency to boot, which can be important.
07:51:55 <Halcyon> Not at all
07:52:08 <Halcyon> 800Mbps is attainable right now on a mobile handset with decent coverage
07:52:15 <Ampera> up/down?
07:52:17 <Halcyon> Almost all cell towers here have fibre running to them
07:52:19 <IoTPanic> Try it
07:52:22 <Halcyon> Near enough
07:52:26 <IoTPanic> Put your money where your mouth is
07:52:30 <IoTPanic> Do a speed test
07:52:32 <Halcyon> I'm in marginal coverage where I am now
07:52:35 <rust_collector> the largest isp over here says they are shutting down the 3g network, starting next year, and done some time in 2020. Now I wonder if my older devices can do 4g, lol
07:52:38 <Halcyon> But I'll see what I can get
07:52:45 <IoTPanic> Oh no!I thought it was SO great!
07:52:48 <IoTPanic> 800/800
07:52:56 <Halcyon> I said with decent coverage
07:53:06 <IoTPanic> I thought you said that was great too?
07:53:08 <Ampera> well that's a pretty big issue right there
07:53:12 <Ampera> ^
07:53:13 <Halcyon> 1Gbps is *easily* attainable with the right modem
07:53:18 <IoTPanic> See?
07:53:21 <IoTPanic> Now theres a *
07:53:27 <Ampera> two of them
07:53:31 <Halcyon> My phone isn't capable of it
07:53:33 <IoTPanic> Read the fine print
07:53:42 <Halcyon> Well of course you need the right gear
07:53:47 <IoTPanic> In perfect coverage, with perfect modem and tower
07:53:48 <Halcyon> Same goes for fixed wire internet
07:53:56 <Ampera> I'd need to see the numbers first hand from you, and I want to see if you can keep tugging at that 800mbps and not get throttled
07:53:58 <Halcyon> I didn't say perfect
07:54:10 <Ampera> We're saying perfect.
07:54:16 <Halcyon> But you're wrong
07:54:20 <IoTPanic> Money := mouth
07:54:25 <Ampera> Burden of proof is upon you.
07:54:41 <Ampera> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
07:55:14 <Ampera> Back to the train as a topic, rural Mass is beautiful, even in the winter.
07:55:15 <Halcyon> All I was saying was the mobile networks here are excellent
07:55:17 <rust_collector> I get 45/20 here
07:55:20 <Halcyon> Much better than fixed wire
07:55:20 <IoTPanic> Indeed
07:55:39 <Halcyon> The fastest fibre connection you can get is 1Gbps and that's in very small pockets
07:55:40 <IoTPanic> And well, fix your fixed wire Ampera
07:55:44 <Ampera> I can believe that, with your No Bandwidth Network
07:55:49 <Halcyon> Yep
07:55:55 <Halcyon> The NBN tops out at 100Mbps
07:55:57 <Ampera> My fixed wire connection is 940/880 quoted.
07:56:05 <Halcyon> That's IF you're close enough to a node or you have fibre
07:56:06 <IoTPanic> Sounds like 4G isnt great, just wired sucks there
07:56:10 <Ampera> around 700-800 up/down actual.
07:56:13 <Halcyon> 4G is excellent
07:56:19 <Halcyon> I just happen to live in the bush
07:56:30 <Halcyon> To get full speeds I'd need an external antenna
07:56:40 <Halcyon> Which is something I'm looking at
07:56:46 <IoTPanic> What do you get now?
07:57:00 <Ampera> <Halcyon> The mobile networks here are excellent
07:57:01 <Ampera> <Halcyon> I don't remember the last time I didn't have coverage
07:57:12 <Halcyon> Where I'm sitting now, -110dBm
07:57:13 <Ampera> explain
07:57:24 <IoTPanic> ^
07:57:29 <Halcyon> I still have coverage Ampera. Mobile network is a scale
07:57:32 <Halcyon> It's not just on or off
07:57:45 <Ampera> Exactly, which is why I'm saying you're not going to get gigabit.
07:57:48 <IoTPanic> Indeed, youre not going to get either 1Gbps or 0
07:57:57 <Halcyon> Not on an internal modem no
07:57:57 <IoTPanic> Soemthing in between
07:58:03 <IoTPanic> Wdym?
07:58:05 <Halcyon> But with an outdoor MIMO antenna set up, yes.
07:58:10 <Ampera> There's air, trees, walls, water.
07:58:30 <IoTPanic> Rules of electromagnetic physics are not on your side, you are reporting advertised speed
07:58:55 <Halcyon> Where I'm sitting now I'm getting 30/15
07:59:04 <Ampera> Fuck advertised, I'd say theoretical. 4G theoretical link speeds are as amazing that you say, but you'll /never/ get them.
07:59:08 <Halcyon> No, advertised speed is 2Gbps on LTE
07:59:17 <Halcyon> I'm halving that
07:59:30 <Halcyon> Advertised/theoretical
07:59:39 <Ampera> So advertised is 2000/?, and you get 30/15
07:59:49 <IoTPanic> Eh, then if it's 2gbps he may get 1Gbps in better condidtions
07:59:52 <Halcyon> Indoors, on a mobile phone, with 1/5 bars of coverage
08:00:18 <Ampera> I doubt that tower can provide 2Gbps to every device connected, or get even close.
08:00:19 <Halcyon> Yes, even with shit reception indoors, I still manage a connection that's faster than my VDSL
08:00:33 <IoTPanic> Well theres your issue
08:00:36 <IoTPanic> You have DSL
08:00:39 <Ampera> Well yes, DSL might as well be over wet string.
08:00:42 <Halcyon> That's why they call it theoretical Ampera, and that's why 1 Gbps is very achievable.
08:00:55 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: I don't have a choice
08:00:58 <Ampera> Theoretical is tech talk for, it will do that in a lab.
08:01:08 <IoTPanic> I figured you dont, no one CHOOSES DSL
08:01:20 <Ampera> Actual is something I need you to tell me when you get the numbers hard.
08:01:27 <Halcyon> Again Ampera, attaining half a theoretical maximum is a fair assumption.
08:01:36 <coppice> The thing that really spoils LTE is other users
08:01:45 <IoTPanic> And snow
08:01:48 <Ampera> Let me put it this way, when you get 5G, try to DoS me, and we'll see who holds out.
08:02:00 <Ampera> I give you legal permission to DoS me for up to a collective 10 minutes.
08:02:22 <IoTPanic> DDoS?
08:02:26 <Ampera> I will admit, not a great fight, given the distance.
08:02:28 <IoTPanic> Or just DoS?
08:02:33 <Ampera> DDoS is distributed, I'm saying DoS
08:02:36 <Ampera> mono e mono
08:02:44 <IoTPanic> Okay, was making the clarification
08:02:50 <Halcyon> My phone only has a Cat 16 LTE modem, so the maximum I could pull down is just under a gigabit
08:02:51 <IoTPanic> I co own a business with the power of AWS
08:02:55 <IoTPanic> I will pown you
08:02:57 <IoTPanic> Burn money
08:03:15 <Ampera> You could probably fry my connection no problem.
08:03:22 <Ampera> I'm saying Halcyon isn't going to do it over a cell connection.
08:03:34 <Ampera> even if there wasn't an ocean and a continent in the way.
08:03:35 <IoTPanic> Yep. I could fry my own. And no, and try playing a video game while its raining
08:03:35 <Halcyon> Once I get one fast enough, I'll give it a try
08:03:49 <Halcyon> Throughput is throughput. Whether its over radio or wire makes little difference
08:03:58 <Halcyon> Latency isn't going to be an issue
08:04:02 <IoTPanic> Radio has major disadvantages
08:04:07 <IoTPanic> Over wire
08:04:16 <Halcyon> Sure, and copper has some too
08:04:21 <Halcyon> No technology is "perfect"
08:04:28 <IoTPanic> So use glass, have not found the limit yet
08:04:40 <Halcyon> That's not an option for me
08:04:58 <IoTPanic> You COULD, just dont have the money
08:05:17 <Ampera> Go right ahead, I'll give you my IP, you can try to hit me as much as you can for up to 10 minutes, consecutive or not.
08:05:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, latency is an issue over home wlan under the best conditions with top quality gear.
08:05:20 <Halcyon> Correct, if I had $100k to blow, then sure
08:05:38 <Halcyon> Ampera, latency over Wi-Fi is the least of anyone's concerns
08:05:44 <IoTPanic> Eh
08:05:47 <IoTPanic> Not really
08:05:49 <Halcyon> For most users, it's not noticable
08:05:52 <IoTPanic> True
08:06:14 <Ampera> End to end won't be physically slower, but if you drop a packet and need to retransmit (which /will/ happen), you will loose precious time in latency.
08:06:21 <Halcyon> Adding a ms or two makes no difference in reality
08:06:37 <Halcyon> Or even 20ms round trip
08:06:42 <Ampera> No, I'm saying you're going to be looking at 80-200ms on average, depending on the conditions.
08:06:46 <Ampera> that's my wager.
08:06:47 <IoTPanic> It does when you're doing that 100 times because a rain is messing with your signal
08:06:58 <Halcyon> Well lets test that now shall we...
08:07:06 <Halcyon> Rain fade isn't an issue
08:07:10 <Halcyon> Signal goes right through it
08:07:28 * IoTPanic has no response to that
08:07:33 <Ampera> give me a latency test on 4G right now, run it over ookla.
08:07:34 <Halcyon> 23ms round trip over 4G
08:07:36 * steve30 waves to Halcyon
08:07:44 <Ampera> tested against what?
08:07:44 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
08:07:57 <Halcyon> Whatever server speedtest connected me to
08:08:11 <Ampera> not to mention, that's an instantaneous test, it can get worse.
08:08:11 <IoTPanic> Yeah, i didnt think it would be 80ms minimum.
08:08:21 <Halcyon> It's repeatable
08:08:34 <IoTPanic> Have rust ping you in his graphing software
08:08:49 <Ampera> average it out over a long series of packets, count how many are dropped
08:09:40 <Ampera> but even if it's not latency (which it will be, I get like 7ms to ookla) it will be speed.
08:09:40 <Ampera> Man rural mass is beautiful.
08:10:25 <IoTPanic> Come up two states XD
08:10:40 <IoTPanic> Or three, idk
08:10:51 <Halcyon> But again, the difference between 7ms and 20, 30 or 40ms is really fuck all
08:10:57 <Halcyon> It makes no difference to most users
08:11:03 <Ampera> That's probably another reason my link right now is gnaff, I'm in the middle of nowhere.
08:11:10 <rust_collector> the cocaine fields are getting there? nice white fluffy stuff?
08:11:31 <Ampera> ye rust_collector
08:11:35 <rust_collector> nice
08:11:39 <Ampera> lotsa white dusting the ground.
08:11:51 <Halcyon> But yeh weather will have little to no effect on 4G, we use 750-900MHz around here
08:12:17 <IoTPanic> Tell that to me
08:12:24 <Halcyon> Some carriers use up in the 2.something GHz, but not the one I use
08:12:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, you won't convince us of your claims until you knock me off the internet for 10 minutes.
08:12:27 <IoTPanic> Weather regularly impacts my cell service
08:12:57 <Halcyon> Ampera, I'm not claiming to be able to DoS you, I'm claiming that the networks here are fast and reliable.
08:13:03 <rust_collector> I wonder how this discussion started, lol
08:13:03 <IoTPanic> But then again, we have snow and hail and crap
08:13:10 <IoTPanic> Bets
08:13:11 <Ampera> lol
08:13:12 <IoTPanic> Bets were made
08:13:14 <Ampera> with trains
08:13:21 <Ampera> it started with trains.
08:13:22 <rust_collector> trains are cool
08:13:26 <Ampera> yeee
08:13:28 <Ampera> I'm on one right now.
08:13:29 <IoTPanic> Not the internet on them XD
08:13:36 <IoTPanic> Or at least Amperas
08:13:51 <Ampera> well these things are never amazing.
08:13:59 <Ampera> It does IRC, and that's alright enough for me.
08:14:08 <rust_collector> I used to own a train engine. I wonder where it is now
08:14:50 <IoTPanic> Like, a full sized engine?
08:14:58 <IoTPanic> Load 'er in a locamota
08:15:00 <rust_collector> yes, pretty big one
08:15:13 <IoTPanic> Well there, I bet that was cool
08:15:38 <Ampera> I used to own a shred of self confidence, respect, and a will to live.
08:15:55 <rust_collector> we were going to use it for a train snow blower, but then they stopped that idea, so I got the engine for.... 100nok, or about 10-15 usd
08:15:57 <IoTPanic> WOnder where that is now...
08:16:39 <rust_collector> it is probably stuck in some phone network thing
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08:28:51 <Ampera> going to play Half-Life and head out.
08:29:49 <rust_collector> I will start some game that is installed here, try it, and be back here in a minute or two
08:30:12 <cappicard> just installed XP into virtual box for giggles.
08:31:33 <rust_collector> I have to find a different computer here, this one does not have some features (iIrc vt-x or something) to make virtual things run ok
08:32:20 <cappicard> my i5 6500 has VT working just fine here. even in mojave.
08:32:21 <rust_collector> freedos and a few linux distros run ok, but slow on it, but it is very picky
08:32:35 <cappicard> a pentium 4?
08:32:42 <rust_collector> nope
08:32:59 <rust_collector> it is some version of i3, I think it was. Let me see
08:33:20 <cappicard> i used to have an Phenom 2 X4 960T.
08:33:29 <rust_collector> CPU: Dual Core Intel Core i3-3110M
08:33:37 <cappicard> i had all 6 cores enabled on it.
08:33:50 <cappicard> ah ok. yeah, it's an older one.
08:34:07 <rust_collector> I think it is the asus motherboard or bios that does not support it... I dunno
08:34:24 <cappicard> ah ok.
08:34:33 <rust_collector> "bios"
08:35:46 <cappicard> that i3 supports VT-x, but not VT-d
08:35:50 <rust_collector> I have a few p4boxes. I like them. not super fast, but for my use, "just works"
08:36:28 <cappicard> i still have an old Opteron 165-based motherboard in my closet.
08:37:10 <rust_collector> I will try (again) to swap this machine with my wife, who has my old machine, for watching tv.
08:39:00 <rust_collector> this one used to have problems at random times, then work perfectly for weeks, then crap out when you plugged in a phone or something. Turns out the previous owner replaced the 19v power brick with a 12v one. It has been working great after we fixed that
08:41:44 <Halcyon> Sorry back, had the landscaper here
08:48:59 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy that I don't need that.
08:49:19 <rust_collector> The snow will cover all the ugly spots
08:49:31 <cappicard> i use my raspberry pi 3 for emulators and kodi
08:50:05 <cappicard> plays PSX just fine. FF7 is a treat on it. :)
08:50:07 <Halcyon> We only get snow maybe once or twice a year and even then its a dusting
08:50:11 <Halcyon> I'm not high up enough
08:50:29 <cappicard> we got snow a few weeks ago. about 6 inches
08:51:17 <cappicard> they shut down school that day. growing up, we wouldn't shut down until we had a foot or more.
08:51:36 <rust_collector> this summer was so dry, I just had to mow once.
08:52:29 <rust_collector> Snow is not a reason to shut down school here, except if they forgot to have someone clear it off the roof all winter
08:55:18 <IoTPanic> Or buses cannot transverse safely?
08:55:50 <rust_collector> meh. they have chains, and we do have snow plows
08:55:57 <cappicard> part of it is due to the busses on the side streets here.
08:56:14 <IoTPanic> Thats a big issue, buses do not do well in icy roads.
08:56:20 <IoTPanic> Even with chains
08:56:25 <IoTPanic> Which are never used here on buses
08:56:30 <cappicard> chains tear up the side streets here. we have that forsaken chip seal pavement...
08:57:06 <IoTPanic> If you need chains, it is not safe enough to be transporting 40+ children in the conditions od a school bus
08:57:13 <IoTPanic> of**
08:57:21 <rust_collector> uhm, yes it is
08:57:23 <IoTPanic> Maybe a bus full of adults, with a driver who can pay attention
08:57:38 <rust_collector> having a driver is a good idea
08:57:46 <DHess_US> <cappicard> i used to have an Phenom 2 X4 960T.
08:57:50 <IoTPanic> I live in Maine bub, children die because of this on occasion
08:57:57 <DHess_US> I'm still using a Phenom 2 940 you insensitive clod!
08:58:03 <IoTPanic> Its really sad
08:58:09 <IoTPanic> Advoidable
08:58:10 <cappicard> lol.
08:58:26 <rust_collector> I live in norway, and I can not remember it being much of an issue. buses run off the road in summer too
08:58:52 <cappicard> my phenom II worked quite well for me. just that AMD processors and hackintosh don't mix.
08:59:06 <IoTPanic> Well, in Maine there can be inches of ice on the ground that nothing can grip to
08:59:13 <IoTPanic> Add water and hail
08:59:17 <rust_collector> mmhmm
08:59:17 <IoTPanic> Plus some snow
08:59:26 <DHess_US> Eh, my Phenom 2 940 is my most advanced machine. I'm in the process of specifying a system to replace it.
08:59:49 <IoTPanic> I have never heard of a bus going off the road during summer here, it does not happen to the same extent
09:00:07 <IoTPanic> Mostly collisions
09:00:16 <cappicard> i'm still using the DDR3 ram from my old Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 motherboard on my asus Z170-P D3 motherboard.
09:00:32 <DHess_US> This Phenom 2 is DDR2, so there!
09:00:54 <IoTPanic> At least your ram is like 40 cents a gig XD
09:01:00 <DHess_US> It's on its third power supply and third graphic card.
09:01:06 <DHess_US> ECC RAM though.
09:01:12 <IoTPanic> Ohh
09:01:15 <cappicard> i'm using a HP Compaq that has a Phenom 9550 with 6GB of DDR2 ram
09:01:21 <cappicard> as a server
09:01:39 <IoTPanic> Ouch.
09:01:40 <cappicard> it's on its 2nd 2TB drive.
09:01:50 <DHess_US> This Phenom 2 940 with 8G of ECC will become my backup system serving things like xchat.
09:02:10 <DHess_US> Oh, and I will fill it with hard drives and RAID for bulk storage.
09:02:44 <rust_collector> kids graphics card failed a few weeks ago.... turns out it overheated, which is fine, but it was assembled with hot glue, so when it got hot, the glue glued the fan stuck. I thought that was pretty clever
09:02:49 <cappicard> my 9550 is running ubuntu 18.04 for IMAP, MySQL, DNS, and what not
09:03:34 <cappicard> i'm thinking of putting my TV tuner into it. Mac does not support the wintv 1250HVR
09:03:39 <DHess_US> Since it will be a backup system, it will be Windows 10. But the dual Pentium 3 Xeon system it replaces will probably move to Gentoo.
09:03:41 <cappicard> (on my desktop)
09:04:21 <IoTPanic> Why would it be windows 10?
09:04:26 <cappicard> i used to have a pentium III coppermine 933MHz with 640MB of ram
09:04:33 <IoTPanic> If its a backup system, like why not freeNAS
09:04:39 <DHess_US> Because my workstation is Windows.
09:04:48 <IoTPanic> I have had TERRIBLE experiences using the windows backup utilities
09:04:49 <DHess_US> Because it is a backup system in case my workstation dies.
09:05:12 <DHess_US> Not data backup system. Backup to use in case main system fails.
09:05:18 <IoTPanic> Oh, okay
09:06:02 <DHess_US> Yea, I have a 1.2GHz Pentium 3 Tulani sitting here on my desk which has 1GB of ECC. Works great.
09:06:29 <DHess_US> That one will probably keep XP for legacy hardware.
09:06:41 <IoTPanic> Ill be bringing up my i7 backup/devel server tomorrow with FreeNAS, that wil then upload to AWS
09:06:50 <IoTPanic> But data backup
09:07:17 <DHess_US> I could never afford cloud based backup with ISP data caps. I don't even consider it.
09:07:38 <IoTPanic> Ah, yeah, ISP data caps are a bitch
09:07:39 <DHess_US> I couldn't even download my entire Steam library more than once in a month without getting charged.
09:08:03 <DHess_US> Maybe not even once a month.
09:08:13 <DHess_US> Plus upload is just pitifully slow.
09:08:26 <IoTPanic> Ouch
09:08:52 <DHess_US> Did someone notice that Comcast upgraded their customers from 300Mb to 600Mb but left the upload the same?
09:08:54 <cappicard> my upload is 5Mbps.
09:09:07 <cappicard> ow. i'm not surprised.
09:09:42 <cappicard> i used to have at&t uVerse. just pathetic. 2Mbps and maybe 500kbps upload if that.
09:09:43 <DHess_US> I wonder if they can saturate their upload with AKQ packets now.
09:10:02 <DHess_US> Yea, I dropped AT&T u-verse a couple years ago.
09:10:06 <rust_collector> well, good night people. plenty of work to do tomorrow.
09:10:07 <cappicard> i wouldn't hold it past them to do that
09:10:13 <IoTPanic> Night rust_collector
09:10:16 <cappicard> night
09:10:17 <DHess_US> Was 6M down and I think 1.5M up
09:10:22 <rust_collector> have fun
09:10:45 <cappicard> consolidated communications gives me 50Mbps/5Mbps
09:10:46 <DHess_US> And that is still what you get from AT&T here.
09:15:41 <DHess_US> I wish there were cheap but good PCIe SATA cards for Linux/BSD NAS.
09:16:01 <IoTPanic> There aren't?
09:17:09 <IoTPanic> I hear grab a cheap SAS card off eBay is better than a SATA card
09:17:17 <IoTPanic> Just make sure it supports SATA
09:24:45 <DHess_US> Not with 4 or more ports there aren't. Used is different since you can get a lot of stuff that came from data centers.
09:28:13 <IoTPanic> Which I've had good luck with, ex datacenter equipment
09:29:56 <IoTPanic> But you are correct, that is diffrent
09:30:22 <IoTPanic> But do you need more than 4 ports? Can you use a SAS backplane with SATA drives?
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09:46:12 <DHess_US> I don't know about that but it would likely be more expensive than a bunch of SATA HBAs in an ATX case.
09:49:23 <IoTPanic> Yeah, backplanes are usually not in an ATX case.... but you can get them as an external unit if cost wasn't a major factor
09:50:14 <IoTPanic> Then wire it into the case, sounds really hacked together but thats what datacenters do, just instead of a tire to connect to an external machine it's another backplane
09:50:23 <IoTPanic> wire**
09:51:42 <DHess_US> External enclosures means external power supplies and more cables which lowers reliability.
09:52:08 <DHess_US> If external was acceptable, then you could use a ton of USB enclosures which is not a good idea.
09:52:25 <DHess_US> People usually only do that with things like Apple where there is no other option.
09:53:01 <DHess_US> Someone made a miniMac stackable external drive enclosure which was pretty neat but it costs a lot.
09:53:33 <IoTPanic> But I mean, this is datacenter equipment, these things have redundant power supplies, and are meant to have a UPS and like a said a fiberglass/copper backplane connecting it to a beefy screwed in connector in the back of another machine
09:53:45 <IoTPanic> Its not at all like a bunch of USB drives outside
09:53:54 <IoTPanic> But I get your point
09:54:12 <DHess_US> SAS stuff usually supports SATA for less expensive installations.
09:55:10 <DHess_US> All I need is a cheap 4 port PCIe1 card but at the cost, I can get an 8 port Areca which is a complete waste making the Ebay used market the best deal.
09:56:09 <DHess_US> Hmm, I have a good but old link on the subject somewhere.
09:56:42 <IoTPanic> Cloud is so worth it if your not limited like you are, offsite and CHEAP, and encrypted if you use AWS.
09:57:13 <DHess_US> http://blog.zorinaq.com/from-32-to-2-ports-ideal-satasas-controllers-for-zfs-linux-md-ra/
09:57:47 <DHess_US> The only encryption you can trust is if you are encrypting on your end and AWS is just providing something like iSCSI
09:57:57 <DHess_US> So remote SAN instead of NAS.
09:58:45 <IoTPanic> Nah nah nah, I mean, encrypt it on your end of COURSE but plus the encryption in transit AWS provides is cool. But you just need object storage
09:59:09 <IoTPanic> Object storage is the cheapest, and doesn't have much of a downside for what you're doing
09:59:21 <IoTPanic> Will store an encrpyted backup just as well
09:59:35 <IoTPanic> When you want it, it it's URL and give them a key
09:59:46 <IoTPanic> hit** not it
10:01:39 <IoTPanic> Not to the encryption of course, just the key to authentication
10:03:28 <DHess_US> Yea, local links prevent that from being close to feasible. It would take the rest of my life to upload.
10:04:02 <IoTPanic> Yes, I know. It stinks. Start an ISP business where you are XD
10:04:07 <DHess_US> With gigabit speeds it would work since that is what I'm using locally anyway although that is getting slow.
10:04:26 <IoTPanic> Sell internet to neighbors, fiber connections not slowed by cable companies
10:04:55 <IoTPanic> Towns will sometimes even let you install on the poles to expand if you made two bucks off it. A lot of people in maine do that
10:05:05 <IoTPanic> Since we have a lot of remote areas and islands
10:05:42 <IoTPanic> The remote islands that dont always have power sometimes have 10Gbps links
10:05:51 <DHess_US> It would have to be a WISP and I know how to do it but I am dubious of feasiblity and performance wouldn't be that good.
10:06:16 <IoTPanic> You would be so surprised
10:06:39 <IoTPanic> There is a HUGE market for the gear to do it right
10:07:09 <DHess_US> I designed a WISP endpoint a couple years ago which returned a routable IP to the customer while tunneling so prevent using any more IPv4 addresses than neccessary but would have to build it.
10:07:23 <DHess_US> I don't see the gear for doing that.
10:07:33 <DHess_US> Getting a block of IPv4 addresses would be a problem now.
10:07:46 <IoTPanic> And advanced networking students at local colleges do it just to make a dime. And from what I hear, they work really really well. And use IPv6
10:07:51 <IoTPanic> Why do you need v4
10:08:21 <IoTPanic> There is a guy I sit next to who taught a class on how to do it
10:08:23 <DHess_US> Customers demand IPv4. If you want customers, then you must provide IPv4 and many will want a routable IPv4.
10:08:38 <IoTPanic> Not your neighbors, they dont care
10:08:51 <DHess_US> Until you find a neighbor who does.
10:09:21 <IoTPanic> Most everything online they use is v6 compatible, and too bad, they can go back to DSL. Trust me, if you have a demand for fast internet it will be filled
10:09:39 <IoTPanic> Use an AWS proxy to convert those few from v6 to v4 and back again
10:09:44 <IoTPanic> Can you do that?
10:09:54 <DHess_US> The problem there is competing with cable here. Getting 100Mbit/s over WISP is not trivial.
10:10:15 <IoTPanic> That is the biggest issue, and when you figure it out is how you make money
10:10:43 <IoTPanic> Sat links are expensive, you need a lot of customers to pre sign up
10:10:51 <DHess_US> Of course most people don't need that kind of download speed. The gamers want low latency. Everybody else wants to stream video. And none of that charging for traffic stuff.
10:11:02 <DHess_US> Sat is a no go when latency is 300ms
10:11:31 <IoTPanic> That is true, for most, it is finding that first cable, that is the challenge
10:11:36 <DHess_US> Bah. Nose pad on my glasses broke.
10:11:40 <IoTPanic> Aw
10:11:44 <IoTPanic> That stinks
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10:21:45 <DHess_US> stole the nose pads from my spare frames.
10:22:40 <IoTPanic> There you go. Dont want a painful nose
10:23:08 <IoTPanic> Or at least uncomfortable and lopsided
10:23:57 * Ampera smacks IoTPanic with a sausage
10:24:54 <Ampera> My train is having a 90 minute standstill just outside of Albany, departing at 7:05
10:25:33 * IoTPanic takes the sausage, takes Ampera, puts Ampera across his lap and starts beating him bloody with said sausage while he watches YouTube
10:25:59 <Ampera> You describe that as if it were to be something I would dislike.
10:26:24 <Ampera> Being beaten meat, beaten with meat is a particular dream of mine.
10:27:17 <IoTPanic> You are going to have a really weird time with a women on craigslist list someday
10:27:35 <Ampera> presuming I don't look for a male companion.
10:27:37 <Ampera> bigot
10:27:43 <IoTPanic> I was about to say or guy
10:28:16 <IoTPanic> Fuck me, Im a bigot. Yes. People who know me would agree XD
10:28:20 <Ampera> I'm fucking tired m9.
10:28:28 <IoTPanic> Ive had some really weird moments
10:28:32 <IoTPanic> For me weird
10:28:39 <Ampera> I had pretty much no sleep last night, and I have to stay awake during this entire trip
10:28:41 <Ampera> or at least I want to.
10:28:50 <Ampera> define weird
10:29:13 <Ampera> I've shitposted so hard, I might as well be a broken computer in a septic tank.
10:29:37 <IoTPanic> Uncomfortable, gay, trans, fill the word bucket
10:29:44 <Ampera> what
10:29:48 <IoTPanic> It was a lot of weird and confusing things
10:30:11 <Ampera> also, at any point I might drop out, because I don't know when they plan to split/rearrange this train, and they might end up cutting power to the car.
10:30:30 <IoTPanic> I was not trans, I would like to clarify for the chatroom. And okay
10:30:36 <Ampera> I don't even know what you're talking about, if you don't like gay people, just say so.
10:30:48 <Ampera> was not trans, who said anything about you being trans?
10:32:52 <IoTPanic> I have no problem with gays, I just had a weird time in my life where a lot of people around here if you ask think I am gay due to. A lot of people treat me like Im gay and try to be all "Oh i love gays" near me so A. I truly feel for gays who have to be around that and dont like it (There are some that do) B. If i was against gays there would be NON of this. I almost wished some days.
10:33:38 <Ampera> I think I know exactly what I'm talking about.
10:34:14 <Ampera> sometimes people just need to shut the fuck up about their sexuality and personal lives. I go on about it for the jokes, but some people just intrude their meaningless bullshit onto people
10:34:45 <Ampera> It's almost like the end goal isn't the right to gay marriage, and the journey to is was only ever the destination.
10:34:59 <IoTPanic> Sure, you probably do, Im saying yelling a homopobic slur would have saved me a lot of problems but I stood up for what was right, and I agree.
10:35:07 <Ampera> and don't take this for me to mean all gay people, there are perfectly reasonable people who can handle going five minutes in a conversation without going on.
10:35:14 <IoTPanic> Or what I think is right, which is to not be a shithead
10:35:58 <IoTPanic> Yes, and every gay is different, its not a "group of the gays", that causes a lot of issues, everyone is just people
10:36:00 <Ampera> It always amuses, and in a slight way annoys me when people get offended by small words or phrases.
10:36:22 <Ampera> Even things like misgendering, so many trans people get absolutely inflamed over something so benign.
10:37:25 <Ampera> I am very much an individualist, and it is for that reason I don't like the concept of LGBT, nor the community that waves those letters as its banner. It's a term that blankets everyone with the slightest abnormality in the way they see themselves or those around them, and collides them with one unitary group knowledge.
10:38:00 <IoTPanic> I really like that self explanation. Thats a good way to look at everything
10:38:23 <Ampera> it's actually one of my largest sources of anxiety from believing I am trans, because everyone places you in this weird third person position.
10:39:24 <IoTPanic> Yep, and thats the issue with for example people of color, people with disabilities, etc
10:39:31 <IoTPanic> In America anyway
10:39:40 <Ampera> It starts to feel like "the community" has gone so far with holding the pitchfork of respect to people that people like me aren't viewed as people with a mental, trying to deal with it in one of the few ways they can, and instead as some node of an omnipotent entity that could snap people in half at any moment.
10:40:15 <Ampera> This is why I am so chillax about saying random offensive terms, because instead of fearing offense, I embrace it to the point where very few words can actually hurt me.
10:40:29 <IoTPanic> Well, its monkey brain stuff. We create a social group of alike people who we then hold to a group standard and anyone else dies
10:40:54 <Ampera> Aye, however more precisely, it's when you start to overcompensate for discrimination.
10:41:03 <IoTPanic> Yes
10:41:33 <Ampera> I think too many people view the fight for equal rights for all is more important than actually attaining that position, to the point where they will be as a train, overrunning the station on a course with no end sans oblivion.
10:42:18 <Ampera> It actually saddens me people can't take themselves out of the collective, to understand if every person they hold a torch to is truly deserving of ire.
10:43:22 <Ampera> I might drop out, they just cut power to the car
10:43:29 <Ampera> no clue if my connection is down
10:43:51 <Ampera> yeah, I'm still here.
10:44:01 <IoTPanic> You can solve 99% of issues with that, and yeah, you are 100% not here
10:44:09 <IoTPanic> I cannot see any of your 5 messages
10:44:17 <Ampera> lol
10:44:29 <Ampera> before when they cut power to the car, or even stopped at a station, the wlan cut out.
10:45:46 <IoTPanic> That surprises me
10:46:18 <IoTPanic> I would have thought thay'd have a modern Cisco solution that meshes and maybe has a tiny UPS
10:46:48 <Ampera> They have a lot of trains of a lot of different ages.
10:47:19 <Ampera> We're gonna continue on in around 15 minutes. I'm almost home.
10:47:22 <IoTPanic> Ah, yeah
10:48:01 <IoTPanic> Dinner's ready, no effort, been cooking for 4 hours... mmm mm
10:48:15 <Ampera> what is it?
10:49:20 <IoTPanic> BBQ chicken quinola
10:49:35 <Ampera> what is quinola?
10:49:45 <Ampera> the BBQ and chicken sound nice, but idk about the last bit.
10:49:51 <IoTPanic> Very filling, made in a slow cooker. Just a sec
10:50:10 <Ampera> don't send me any links, will likely not be able to open them.
10:50:38 <IoTPanic> Okay, its a KINDA rice like grain
10:50:55 <Ampera> quinoa?
10:51:02 <IoTPanic> it starts off hard, then it soaks up liquid and gets puffy, its very healthy and filling. Yes
10:51:14 <Ampera> ah, never had it
10:51:29 <IoTPanic> And it soaked up BBQ sauce and chicken broth so it tastes pretty good with a bunch of spices and stuff
10:51:33 <coppice> its very middle class and trendy. healthy is questionable
10:51:54 <Ampera> makes me think of kale
10:52:06 <coppice> John Kale?
10:52:20 <Ampera> John Lenin.
10:52:50 <IoTPanic> https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/11-proven-benefits-of-quinoa it is full of nutrients mainly. Obviously dont go overboard with the stuff
10:53:12 <Ampera> I SAID DON'T GIVE ME LINKS D^:<
10:53:20 <IoTPanic> Not you, for coppice
10:53:28 <IoTPanic> The link was anyway
10:53:34 <Ampera> what, you're not giving me unitary attention?
10:53:45 <Ampera> well I guess I'm not not important then :^P
10:53:52 <IoTPanic> My world does not revolve around you, no
10:53:59 <coppice> we must be so darned healthy now, as we've switched from fad to fad over the last half century, each more healthy than anything which came before
10:54:25 <IoTPanic> Eh, oh well coppice, I like this meal Im not quinoa crazy
10:54:33 <IoTPanic> This is the only meal I make with it
10:55:58 <IoTPanic> I do not fallow any fad, I just eat healthier than most. I dont not drink monster, but I quit smoking tobacco
10:56:07 <IoTPanic> Good example of me
10:56:14 <IoTPanic> I dont give a shit, I just do me
10:56:48 <IoTPanic> I dont like the way i feel after eating out so I make my own food, plus it tastes better.
11:02:48 <IoTPanic> Not to pretend I own and am riding a high horse, I was originally stating it's good, if you wanna try it I'll give you the recipe but idfk
11:03:10 <IoTPanic> idfc** geez
11:22:39 <Halcyon> :D
11:23:08 <Halcyon> Mmm Quinoa
11:24:00 <rust_collector> riding a high horse... that makes me think of those weird "tall bikes"
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11:26:46 <Halcyon> I have some old APC 450W UPSs -- Reckon they are worth anything on ebay or just toss them?
11:27:07 <DHess_US> Shipping will kill their value.
11:27:14 <Halcyon> Oh it'll be pickup only
11:27:20 <DHess_US> Unless they are double conversion or something.
11:27:30 <Halcyon> They work perfectly, its just they are old
11:28:02 <Leinar> For low power HV, instead of a flyback, would a single-coil inductor with eg. a 300V zener do? 12V to coil, cut current, let voltage rise to zener threshold and pass from there to load or storage cap.
11:28:43 <DHess_US> No.
11:29:30 <DHess_US> Stick a diode-capacitor multiplier directly onto the output of your boost or flyback converter.
11:29:48 <Leinar> Can someone source me a good read on why that won't work? I thought inductors tended to raise voltage until current can flow.
11:30:00 <DHess_US> It will work but there are just better ways.
11:30:15 <Leinar> So I might as well wind a flyback if I have to make this by hand.
11:30:21 <DHess_US> What I suggested lowers the voltage on the switch by a lot.
11:30:42 <DHess_US> Same deal. If you use a flyback, now you have leakage inductance.
11:31:37 <DHess_US> It doesn't take a lot of stages. Just a couple of multiplication stages makes things much easier.
11:31:46 <Leinar> I've put together a 3-stage multiplier to ramp it up, but I'd need at least a few hundred volts into it for the end result to be useful.
11:32:55 <Leinar> And since I don't have flybacks handy I was hoping a quick hack like a zener+inductor might save me some work.
11:33:52 <DHess_US> It will work but I'd still stick a multiplier on the output of the inductor and feedback to control the voltage.
11:35:10 <Leinar> k, thanks.
11:36:26 <Halcyon> Ampera, you still on the train?
11:36:34 <DHess_US> Looking for an example online. It works great for powering things like photomultipliers and geiger tubes.
11:36:45 <IoTPanic> Last I heard he was close
11:36:50 <Halcyon> Ah
11:36:50 <IoTPanic> to home that is
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11:40:15 <Halcyon> iBiZa1: Everytime I see you nick, it reminds me of that horrible Vengaboys song
11:40:18 <Halcyon> :P
11:40:56 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXXRHpVed3M
11:42:14 <Halcyon> Although I've never seen the video clip. It's almost like the production company just got a new computer to do 3D graphics and they used every transition, wipe, motion they could cram into this video to test it out.
11:48:11 <IoTPanic> I lasted 1min20
11:48:15 <Halcyon> :P
11:50:15 <Halcyon> I mean I know it was 1999
11:50:22 <Halcyon> But it's still pretty ordinary for even then
11:50:37 <Halcyon> The "camera" control in the clip is enough to make you sick
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11:52:24 <DHess_US> Primitive 3D graphics is actually an advantage if it avoids the uncanny valley.
11:52:42 <DHess_US> That is what makes Hoodwinked less creepy than better animations.
11:57:45 <Leinar> Ligthing, anti-aliasing and color balance matter more. Fortnite, Minecraft and Team Fortress 2 showed that even gamers are happy with simplistic graphics.
11:58:15 <DHess_US> Fortnite yes. TM2? No.
11:58:26 <DHess_US> err, TF2 is just old.
11:58:43 <IoTPanic> Keep source engine out of this
11:58:49 <Leinar> lol, sorry.
11:58:55 <IoTPanic> lmao
11:58:58 <DHess_US> I don't see it as much in video games since they have to be rendered in real time but they are getting to the point of the uncanny valley.
11:59:09 <Leinar> It's over a decade old, but all the others, Fortnite etc. are generally copying what TF2 discovered.
11:59:28 <DHess_US> Although the EQ graphics updates definately made the game worse than the older graphics.
11:59:33 <IoTPanic> That was just.... cringey tho
11:59:37 <IoTPanic> cringy**
11:59:46 <Halcyon> I tend to agree Leinar
12:00:06 <Halcyon> Carmageddon didn't have the best graphics, but the way they implemented them was great
12:00:17 <DHess_US> TF2 didn't discover it. TF2 just couldn't make that mistake because hardware wasn't up to it. Fortnite was just smart about it.
12:00:53 <DHess_US> Like I said, Hookwinked is my favorite example of this.
12:01:03 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
12:01:21 <Leinar> DHess_US: they landed on the cartoonish style over 'modern, over-engineered' by choice, though. There was some consciousness to that choice.
12:01:55 <DHess_US> The recent Star Wars films which have Tarkin and Lea firmly fall into the uncanny valley.
12:02:13 <DHess_US> Leinar, Fortnite did. TF2 didn't.
12:02:18 <DHess_US> TF2 didn't have a choice.
12:02:23 <Leinar> Star Wars has been doing uncanny doofing with CGI for over a decade, haven't they?
12:02:52 <DHess_US> Thinking of Jar Jar? Not as much since they weren't human characters.
12:03:28 <DHess_US> Recreating Tarkin and Lea didn't work but some other films have CGIs human characters and done better.
12:03:52 <IoTPanic> What do you think of this tobot's position in the uncanny valley? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haXP0tI7rAM
12:03:54 <Leinar> I should re-phrase. They've thrown too much work and rendering power on making you cringe or eyesore for nearly two decades :)
12:03:58 <IoTPanic> robots********
12:04:57 <IoTPanic> Would you talk to that if it where at the desk of a car dealership? I know totally different from rendering but
12:06:05 <DHess_US> Yea, that's probably a bad idea but at least you know it isn't human.
12:06:46 <IoTPanic> Yeah
12:07:06 <DHess_US> Something like Gerty in Moon would be better.
12:07:52 <Leinar> DHess_US: I watched the creation short docu when they launched TF2 though, they opted for the cartoon style because it rendered well (due to constraints, as you said) and looked good, politely avoiding bad-mouthing their competitors' uncanny valley flops, but iirc. it was clearly implied as an engineered balance between looks, uncanny and performance when they could've gone the more realistic route eg. Half Life 2 had (which still
12:07:52 <Leinar> worked).
12:08:40 <DHess_US> But the Source Engine with available hardware wasn't up to hitting the uncanney valley anyway.
12:08:58 <Leinar> Hm, yeah.
12:09:31 <DHess_US> HL2 doesn't hit it and I think HL2 looks fine.
12:10:03 <DHess_US> There was an advanced version of Left for Dead 2 but I don't know if it will ever be released.
12:10:25 <DHess_US> I need to upgrade my system before I can hit Steam again. :/
12:11:24 <Leinar> Speaking as someone who's tried to streamline a bug report to the devs and spending weeks on just ramming it through their canned response people-firewall, I have the impression they don't want to touch Left 4 Dead 2 at all.
14:12:12 <Halcyon> Yay, toilet paper ordered
14:12:12 <Leinar> Is it especially cheap from somewhere?
14:12:12 <Halcyon> It's cheaper than the supermarkets for the acceptable quality stuff
14:12:12 <Halcyon> https://au.whogivesacrap.org
14:12:12 <Halcyon> Plus in boxes of 48 rolls, I don't have to keep buying it at the supermarket
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> Totally
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> I can get 64
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> MERICA HELL YA
14:12:12 <Halcyon> I mean I could get it cheaper at the shops 12 cents per 100 sheets, but it's that horrible sandpaper stuff
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> That south park episode took no time to download
14:12:12 <Halcyon> DCC it IoT ?
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> What?
14:12:12 <Halcyon> Send it to me
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> What? Just use the link DHess_US provided
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> https://rarbg.to/torrent/2sork8g
14:12:12 <Halcyon> Oh, I didn't see it
14:12:12 <Halcyon> My bad
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> Oh, okay
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> I thought you like, wanted me to send it over IRC
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> Which I COULD do
14:12:12 <Leinar> Halcyon: They sell 48 roll packs here for 11 usd. What did you pay with shipping?
14:12:12 <Halcyon> Shipping is free
14:12:12 <Halcyon> I also like them because they aren't packaged in plastic
14:12:12 <IoTPanic> This is a funny episode
14:12:13 <Halcyon> I'm about to start watching it, need to pee first
14:12:13 <Leinar> If anyone here works in a capacity to affect it, please; make home electronics stop making all those damn whiny noises.
14:12:40 <Leinar> been opening things and running the glue gun like crazy just to make all this stuff quiet, why can't those lazy cost savers just factor it into production ":\
14:14:25 * Leinar wonders how many tired home dogs there are listening to ultrasound leaks from transformers and caps
14:16:00 <Halcyon> I have a lot of South Park to catch up onm
14:16:03 <Halcyon> -m
14:16:19 <IoTPanic> It sounds like there was an earlier episode more focused on the scooters @DHess_US
14:17:38 <Halcyon> ROFL @ Butters
14:17:44 <Halcyon> Dressed like a queen
14:17:56 <IoTPanic> "Alexa, kill Kenny"
14:18:01 <IoTPanic> New fav command
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14:19:33 <Leinar> Who in their right mind uses a stalker-box like that.
14:20:05 <Halcyon> I wonder how they record Kenny's voice
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14:31:06 <Halcyon> Mmm not the best episode I've seen
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14:52:26 <DHess_US> <IoTPanic> It sounds like there was an earlier episode more focused on the scooters @DHess_US
14:52:30 <DHess_US> No, I don't think there was.
14:53:02 <DHess_US> Halcyon, actually it is one of the better episodes. Many are much worse.
14:53:08 <Halcyon> True
14:53:15 <Halcyon> Meh I wasn't a fan
14:53:18 <DHess_US> Or most are much worse.
14:53:44 <Halcyon> The World of Warcraft one was pretty awesome
14:53:45 <DHess_US> Eh, I'm not really either. There are two really good episodes that I kept. Major Boobage and Fun with Weapons.
14:53:57 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8bs_THKiY
14:54:06 <coppice> Alexa, Kilkenny. I want tickets to Kilkenny
14:54:28 <DHess_US> How do you kill that which has no life?
14:56:48 <DHess_US> I wish the "show unread posts since last visit" worked better in the forums. It sucks.
15:03:24 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GIiOsuDRFk
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15:36:52 <Leinar> DHess_US: Ref. HV generation, scavenged a 220V-mains-to-12V transformer, if I run it in reverse with a 555-fed pnp/npn push-pull at 12V around mains frequency and just add volt. multiplier stages to get to a few thousand, is that somewhat what you suggested?
15:38:55 <Leinar> Found about 30x 400V caps and 1kv diodes that should do the trick, I'm assuming the only issues after the transformer stage will be resistance and the voltage drops on the diodes.
15:39:04 <DHess_US> Leinar, no. That will work but the low frequency limits the performance of the voltage multiplier.
15:40:08 <DHess_US> You didn't say how much current output you expect but the reason using a boost or flyback switcher to drive a voltage multiplier works so well is that the high frequency takes maximum advantage of the capacitors and you can get a lot of power out compared to a 60Hz deisgn.
15:40:55 <DHess_US> Of course nothing stops you from driving a 60Hz transformer at higher frequencies but you aren't going to get 20kHz out of it. 400Hz is more reasonable.
15:42:08 <Leinar> I'm trying to keep the current low, doesn't really matter how much, but preferably below lethal levels at the output.
15:42:56 <DHess_US> Which is another good reason to use a boost regulator to drive a high voltage mutiplier.
15:44:15 <DHess_US> Linear Technology had an application note discusisng it but Analog Devices removed it.
15:47:36 <DHess_US> I think the circuit can also be found in one of the Linear Technology micropower switchign regualtors intended for 1.5 to 3 volt operation.
15:47:55 <DHess_US> check the datasheets for their older micropower parts.
15:55:26 <Leinar> I see some circuits popping up on results that feed DC pulses to the voltage doubler, but if I take the trouble to feed it AC I'll get precisely twice the output, right?
15:56:10 <Leinar> I mean, DC-DC booster goes straight into the voltage doubler on many of them, I guess that's just to keep the example circuits simple?
15:58:34 <DHess_US> It's a boost converter without the output capacitor. It feeds directly into a voltage multiplier which can have any number of stages.
15:59:12 <DHess_US> I'd try to find the data sheet but Analog Devices no longer allows sorting parts by part number.
15:59:31 <DHess_US> I think they are trying to hide older less expensive parts.
16:04:29 <Leinar> Heh, sounds about right.
16:05:11 <Leinar> This is a learning project anyway, don't mind doing some manual thinking to get it properly done.
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16:09:07 <DHess_US> Check out page 17 of this datasheet. https://www.analog.com/en/lt1307/datasheet
16:09:45 <DHess_US> It works just as well in boost configuration as with a flyback transformer excpet of course the flyback transformer gives another voltage mutliplication.
16:10:51 <DHess_US> Oh, the last page shows the boost version.
16:11:03 <DHess_US> Although generatign a negative voltage.
16:12:50 <DHess_US> Another one here on page 16 showing more stages. https://www.analog.com/en/lt1610/datasheet
16:14:01 <Leinar> Will do, thanks man.
16:14:42 <DHess_US> This one spits out 350 volts at 1.2mA from 2.7 to 6 volts. https://www.analog.com/en/lt1308a/datasheet
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16:50:16 <Halcyon> *stretch*
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17:05:27 <Halcyon> ThunderSqueak \o/
17:05:28 * ChanOP sets mode: +o ThunderSqueak
17:05:30 <ThunderSqueak> just uploaded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=478OW7ep0x8
17:05:39 <ThunderSqueak> hi :)
17:06:06 <Halcyon> *watches*
17:06:43 <Halcyon> I was actually just watching an 8 bit guy video so perfect timing :D
17:06:51 <Halcyon> Love my vintage puter stuff
17:08:56 <Halcyon> ROFL you found a genuine bug :P
17:09:20 <Halcyon> I take it you're not a fan of creepy crawlies ?
17:09:52 <ThunderSqueak> it just scared me XD
17:10:21 <Halcyon> What happened to the topic
17:10:44 <ThunderSqueak> I was looking towards the back of the machine, for clips to release the board and my eyes fell on that bug, it was HugE
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17:15:46 <Halcyon> Damian, what's the command to set a topic :P
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17:16:06 <ibiza> Halcyon; /msg chanop topic #channel new-topic-here
17:16:18 <Halcyon> Will that preserve the KEEPTOPIC level?
17:20:41 <ibiza> yes, so only a 199 or higher can change the topic.
17:21:07 <Halcyon> Thanks ibiza
17:21:09 <Halcyon> :D
17:25:25 <ibiza> nps
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