// #eevblog — 2018-12-18
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01:00:06 * ibiza is here
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07:01:30 <IoTPanic> Quite today
07:01:38 <IoTPanic> quiet****
07:03:37 <rust_collector> yep, it was....
08:39:48 <cappicard> good afternoon
08:45:05 <damian> howdy yall
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08:53:39 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270440074477436928/524343117629882380/Screenshot_10.png
09:04:51 <IoTPanic> Hi
09:06:55 <Ampera> Hi
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10:54:46 <T3sl4> Hi
10:58:13 <cappicard> hi
11:31:22 <IoTPanic> Im having issues organizing my AWS instances 🤔
11:31:34 <IoTPanic> Anyone else here a AWS nerd?
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11:53:57 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxhDk-hwuo
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14:28:04 <IoTPanic> I found a mail thief revenge video involving over engineering a clever device if anyone wants to bite and start off a conversation good ppl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxhDk-hwuo
14:28:35 <IoTPanic> @Halcyon you around?
14:28:57 <IoTPanic> Oh wait
14:28:59 <IoTPanic> Shit
14:29:07 <IoTPanic> @DHess_US beat me to it...
14:49:03 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv2h-csnlps
14:49:25 <DHess_US> I might make a trap that sprays gentian violet everywhere.
14:49:38 <DHess_US> An indelible purple dye.
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15:13:18 <coppice> IoTPanic: all the video, and still no arrests :)
15:13:43 <IoTPanic> Not in a big city no
15:15:13 <IoTPanic> Like, who is just walking down the street and goes "I want that". I mean, I know the kinds of people but whhhyyy
15:15:26 <IoTPanic> Why do you need my stuff more than me?
15:15:40 <IoTPanic> Saying that in like a weird third tense
15:16:42 <coppice> DHess_US: Why kind of shitty area is that house it to have so many theives?
15:16:53 <IoTPanic> America
15:17:11 <IoTPanic> I used to get my mail stolen all the time
15:17:15 <IoTPanic> Never got ONE piece
15:17:41 <IoTPanic> Every single night, enitre apartment building
16:48:01 <T3sl4> o.o i was always told that was serious, a felony
18:18:39 * Halcyon is full
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19:00:12 <ThunderSqueak> o.o
19:01:05 <ThunderSqueak> o.o//
19:12:42 * T3sl4 hugs ThunderSqueak
19:13:09 <ThunderSqueak> hi :D
19:13:15 * ThunderSqueak hugs T3sl4
19:13:17 <ThunderSqueak> hello :D
19:13:42 <ThunderSqueak> it is late, I am somewhat hungry... and have all the stuff to make sushi
19:13:51 <ThunderSqueak> but I really shouldnt, that is for dinner tomorrow :/
19:14:25 <T3sl4> it is late, i have a big pot of chili in the fridge ^-^
19:15:34 <DogWomble> well it would be a bit chilly in the fridge
19:16:01 <ThunderSqueak> XD
19:16:06 <Ampera> it is late, and I hate me, myself, and I.
19:16:12 <ThunderSqueak> I think it is because I ate dinner at like 4pm
19:16:22 <ThunderSqueak> ate with a friend, who eats at that time
19:16:35 <ThunderSqueak> he also goes to bed by 9pm
19:16:40 <T3sl4> hello me, it's me again
19:16:45 <ThunderSqueak> and I am usually up until 2 :/
19:17:37 <ThunderSqueak> I have a can of chilli ... I could make that, but again, late :/
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19:20:37 <ThunderSqueak_> weird
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20:04:42 <ThunderSqueak_> hmm got a B in a physics class -.-
20:05:01 <ThunderSqueak_> guess that is what I deserve for not studying at all for the final
20:09:22 <Ampera> well study, m9
20:09:28 <Ampera> that's how you get good at school.
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20:28:00 <xDR1TeK> howdy
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20:28:05 <Ampera> howdy pardner
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20:28:49 <Ampera> well then
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20:29:47 <xDR1TeK> crazy clicks
20:56:54 <Halcyon> IoTPanic: I am now
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21:02:34 <Ampera> Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
21:02:50 <Ampera> so happy to have a nice clicky keyboard and 4 monitors, but my tablet wasn't bad at all.
21:03:49 <DogWomble> that's two more monitors than me
21:04:17 <Halcyon> Portable computing is awesome these days
21:04:27 <Halcyon> Most people can do most of what they need to on a phone or tablet
21:04:40 <Halcyon> 15 years ago that wasn't true
21:04:43 <Ampera> I can get by with an android tablet for short periods, if I'm on vacation
21:04:52 <Halcyon> You had to lug around a laptop, charger, 3G modem etc...
21:05:15 <Ampera> but I need an x86 machine to do any work, and at least a second monitor/terminal to actually make any headway.
21:05:42 <Ampera> and I can do pretty much nothing with a phone, literally none of what I have to do with a computer can be accomplished on my phone.
21:05:45 <Ampera> nor any phone
21:06:06 <DogWomble> well i've never really seen the point of a tablet
21:06:18 <Halcyon> I'm not a huge fan of tablets either
21:06:23 <Halcyon> But I can see merit
21:06:26 <DogWomble> i use my phone as a portable communications device, anything i couldn't do on that would be time i'd be reaching for the clsoest pc or laptop
21:06:27 <Halcyon> I prefer a laptop
21:07:10 <DogWomble> given the similarities in hardware and software, a tablet is just a phone iwth a bigger screen
21:07:55 <Ampera> Not my tablet, my tablet is as powerful as an average laptop, but WAY more portable, and really nice in bed.
21:08:10 <Ampera> I absolutely love the Surface Pro tablets, they are incredible devices.
21:09:13 <DogWomble> yeah, they'd be one i'd be tempted by, they seem to be a nice compromise between the two form factors, the only downside is they aren't particularly upgradable
21:09:13 <Ampera> Right now I am making a sign controller in minecraft redstone logic
21:09:44 <Halcyon> I do like the Microsoft Surface devices, specs wise they are good, but the form factor is wrong for me. Plus I need extended battery life
21:10:00 <Ampera> battery bank
21:10:04 <DogWomble> arent' the batteries on the newer models pretty cent?
21:10:11 <Ampera> I have a 96Wh battery bank for it.
21:10:19 <Halcyon> They are also expensive for the current versions, I can go and buy a Lenovo laptop for half the cost with better performance and more connectivity
21:10:27 <Ampera> I think they last around 3-4 hours full tilt on the newer ones, probably way more than that if you aren't going hog wild.
21:10:39 <Ampera> That's why you buy older models used.
21:10:48 <Ampera> Pro 3, 425 USD, but it's still a kick ass device.
21:10:52 <Halcyon> The point of having a portable (for me anyway) is so I don't have to lug around extra batteries etc...
21:11:08 <DogWomble> hmmm, i honestly thought they lasted longer than that, but i haven't checked the specs in a while
21:11:37 <Halcyon> I also prefer the form factor and ruggedness of a laptop
21:11:53 <DogWomble> well my laptop is about ready to die
21:11:58 <Halcyon> But again, that's just me use-case/preference
21:12:03 <Halcyon> *my
21:12:08 <Ampera> If I particularly needed power on the go, I'd get a laptop. I got the Surface because nobody makes performance Android tablets anymore
21:12:12 <Ampera> so I had to look elsewhere to upgrade
21:12:23 <Halcyon> DogWomble: Avoid the Dell business ultrabooks, we have had so many of them just die at work under load
21:12:28 <Halcyon> The thermal design is shit
21:12:30 <DogWomble> i've kileld another screen, the batteries dead, adn the case is a bit broken after taking a few dives off a desk
21:12:54 <DogWomble> but then given the laptop is nearly 10 years old, it's about ready for retirement
21:13:03 <Ampera> The thing is, I almost never need laptop power on the go, and the surface has plenty of battery life for me, with a battery bank
21:13:05 <Halcyon> See Ampera, my phone probably does everything your tablet does, albeit in a smaller device
21:13:08 <Ampera> also what place doesn't have outlets these days.
21:13:14 <Ampera> absolutely not
21:13:15 <Halcyon> I don't need a second device that does the same thing as my phone does
21:13:28 <Ampera> can you run nearly the entire suite of AutoDesk software on your phone?
21:13:31 <Halcyon> If I was buying a laptop, it would be a workstation replacement
21:13:41 <Halcyon> No idea? I have no use for it
21:13:44 <DogWomble> Halcyon that's how i treat my phone, basically as a portable communications and media player, with a bit of portable internet, anything i can't do ton that is when i venture onto the PC
21:13:49 <Ampera> What about video editing? I can use real video editing software.
21:14:04 <Ampera> I also have the full fat version of GIMP, with a pen digitizer.
21:14:04 <Halcyon> My phone handles 4K video clips fine
21:14:06 <DogWomble> Ampera If I'm doing that sorta thing, that's when i reach for the PC :)
21:14:11 <Halcyon> But again, not something I use
21:14:21 <Ampera> Here's something your phone can't do, flash
21:14:25 <Halcyon> Flash?
21:14:33 <Ampera> No flash support on Android nor iOS universially.
21:14:34 <DogWomble> who uses flash any more?
21:14:38 <Ampera> not without very old and dodgy hacks
21:14:41 <Halcyon> Flash works just fine on my phone
21:14:45 <Halcyon> Trust me, I watch enough porn
21:14:49 <Ampera> no it doesn't, and if it does, that's news to me
21:14:53 <Ampera> what you're using is HTML5
21:15:07 <Ampera> that's what YouTube and most web video players use these days.
21:15:15 <Ampera> Trust me, flash does /not/ work on Android.
21:15:53 <Ampera> I have an x86 CPU, I can run way more software than your ARM phone, and do it way faster.
21:16:09 <Ampera> I can even run VMs on it, if I wanted to.
21:16:19 <Halcyon> No it appears it doesn't. There you go. Turns out I don't use flash at all
21:16:23 <Halcyon> So why do I want it?
21:16:53 <Halcyon> I don't even use Flash on my desktop PC
21:17:14 <Halcyon> It's a bit like saying my phone doesn't support DOS applications. Meh
21:17:16 <Ampera> I'm just saying it does that, and your phone doesn't.
21:17:23 <Ampera> It actually does, DOSBox has Android ports
21:17:30 <DogWomble> yeah, it's been a long time since i've needed flash for anything, last time i needed it was back in the day when YouTube was flash-based
21:17:41 <Halcyon> Point is, and I'll say it again, my phone does everything I need it to just fine. If I wanted a larger device, it would be a laptop
21:17:47 <Ampera> It's nice for flash games, which I grew up on, and I'm just saying, it exists.
21:17:54 <Halcyon> That middle-ground in a tablet wouldn't work for me
21:17:59 <Ampera> No, you said your phone does everything my tablet does, which it just doesn't.
21:18:12 <Ampera> I'm talking for me, it has absolutely no crossover.
21:18:17 <Halcyon> I have one thing you don't "{
21:18:19 <Halcyon> :P
21:18:23 <Ampera> What
21:18:26 <Halcyon> Something other than Windows 10
21:18:35 <Ampera> I can have that too, Linux works just fine on it.
21:18:41 <Halcyon> Then run it :P
21:18:53 <Ampera> I don't want to, I actually need a Windows machine for small CAD work.
21:19:00 <Halcyon> Point is, if I needed something other than my phone, it would have to be a laptop
21:19:12 <Halcyon> No tablet offers the performance and feature I need/want for the same price
21:19:15 <Ampera> My tablet can do anything a same specced laptop can, and more.
21:19:25 <Ampera> That's fine, but I need a tablet.
21:19:42 <Halcyon> I'm not criticising your choices, I'm just discussing
21:19:45 <Ampera> I use it 80% as a media consumption device, which is a pain in the ass on a laptop
21:20:02 <Halcyon> I've probably said it 5 times, but I'll say it again, I haven't found a tablet yet that works for me
21:20:19 <Ampera> Most laptops are hot and heavy, I've roasted my lap with one for around 2 years
21:20:28 <Ampera> So? I'm not telling you buy a tablet
21:20:29 <Ampera> ya spas
21:20:51 <Ampera> I'm saying I like my tablet.
21:21:06 <Halcyon> Laptops with poor thermal design are hot, i.e.: Apple and lately I've found out, Dell Ultrabooks
21:21:59 <Halcyon> We've killed about 3 or 4 at work now just by smashing the CPU
21:22:07 <Halcyon> They literally die and refuse to ever come back on again
21:22:21 <Halcyon> These are 6 month old Dell laptops
21:25:20 <Ampera> I've found that there are a lot of laptops with poor thermals
21:25:27 <Halcyon> Yeh there are
21:25:44 <Halcyon> It wasn't the case before when laptops were chunkier
21:26:12 <Halcyon> So many consumer devices are trying to be like Apple
21:27:16 <Halcyon> Anyone here used ownCloud ?
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23:17:10 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> o.o i was always told that was serious, a felony
23:17:35 <DHess_US> It is a serious felony to take U.S. Mail. Packages delivered by someone else are another matter.
23:19:14 <DHess_US> Laptops are not the only thing with that problem. Apple Mac Minis have inadaquate cooling also. Most GPU cards have inadaquate cooling. Many Intel CPUs with the stock heat sinks Intel includes have inadaquate cooling.
23:21:58 <steve30> My Core2Quad had a standard intel cooler. It was a bit on the inadequate side, but was OK for most of my use.
23:23:09 <mattinx> Halcyon: switched to nextcloud some time ago
23:23:15 <DHess_US> I just built an NOS i7-870 and the Intel stock cooler was way inadaquate.
23:23:17 <mattinx> but yes
23:24:17 <DHess_US> Stuck a Coolermaster 212 on it because I had no other use for it and that works great.
23:25:34 <DHess_US> Does anybody remember the lawsuits against HP and Dell over nVidia systems failing? Inadaquate cooling.
23:26:06 <Ampera> Aw sweet, original gen i7
23:26:53 <DHess_US> The retention system Intel used on their stock heat sink is nothing to praise either.
23:28:05 <Ampera> This socket 775? I forget
23:28:39 <DHess_US> No, LGA1156
23:28:41 <Ampera> I thought they used the same retention method they use on their current CPUs
23:28:46 <Ampera> even further.
23:28:56 <Ampera> * CPUs -> stock heatsinks
23:28:58 <DHess_US> That may be but the stock cooler is all plastic.
23:29:09 <Ampera> Yes, it was on my 4790k
23:29:23 <Ampera> They're all like that.
23:29:56 <DHess_US> It has that plastic push pin and rotate mechanism.
23:30:10 <Ampera> Well what are they using today?
23:30:15 <Ampera> I thought they still used that.
23:31:08 <DHess_US> I have no idea what is used today. I haven't bought Intel since I upgraded from the Pentium4. This is just NOS (new old stock) parts which were given to me years ago.
23:31:15 <DHess_US> It was a system which was never assembled.
23:31:41 <Ampera> AMD's system was pretty good, but I did encounter one heatsink which was by and far the /worst/ design I've ever used.
23:31:44 <DHess_US> It runs Windows 10 well enough although I had to get a new GPU card.
23:32:00 <Ampera> I don't run Windows on systems older than
23:32:06 <Ampera> well honestly I don't run Windows on systems
23:32:27 <Ampera> but when I did use Windows, my Phenom x2 945 system ran Linux, replacing Windows 7
23:33:14 <DHess_US> My main workstation is a Phenom 2 940 you insensitive clod!
23:33:29 <Ampera> I forget exactly how that AMD heatsink worked. I just remember it taking an unreasonable amount of force to turn the connector, and it being incredibly confusing to mount
23:33:38 <Ampera> Tjat
23:33:45 <Ampera> That's the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me.
23:33:48 <Ampera> I'm touched.
23:34:06 <Ampera> also it's not a Phenom x2, it's a Phenom 2 x4
23:34:26 <Ampera> The machine it sits in was intended as a HTPC, but it really just sits and runs my ZNC.
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