// #eevblog — 2018-12-07
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05:16:19 <DHess_US> <alexandrecvl2> is someone here experienced with EMI/EMC?
05:16:21 <DHess_US> Somewhat
05:16:50 <DHess_US> Oh, he quits after 10 minutes. Lesson learned.
05:33:33 <coppice> perhaps his equipment crashed under EMI attack
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06:27:52 <Halcyon> *yawn* Morning all
06:54:46 <damian> yoyyyoyo
07:27:43 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
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08:35:51 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
09:36:26 <T3sl4> hi Ampera
09:51:26 <Ampera> hi T3sl4
09:51:59 * T3sl4 throws peanuts into the channel
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10:58:53 <damian> nom nom peanuts
11:00:11 <coppice> get your nuts out of this channel
11:03:57 <T3sl4> i know, you're british, you'd prefer a good teabagging
11:04:16 <Ampera> mmm, nuts
11:04:30 * T3sl4 peas on Ampera with his nuts
11:04:59 <Ampera> remember, kids, pee is stored in the balls
11:05:53 <T3sl4> hehe
11:13:34 <damian> where's your nickname come from Ampera?
11:16:36 <Ampera> just came up with it one day
11:16:50 <Ampera> nothing to do with the car, I didn't even know the car existed when I thought of it
11:17:19 <Ampera> I recall coming up with it around 8 years ago
11:17:43 <T3sl4> i've used some variation of this for, i think, over 16 years
11:18:27 <coppice> since he was a script kiddy, taking down the web sites of the mighty
11:19:07 <damian> figured it would be that, you dont seem like the type to copy
11:19:17 <damian> there's a car and an app named ampera, the app is pretty cool.. the car isn't :P
11:20:18 <coppice> I wonder how many Amperas were sold?
11:20:43 <T3sl4> at least one
11:21:08 <coppice> can you be sure it was sold? It might just have been a press car
11:21:50 <damian> i wonder if it can be calculated easily, given it was probably released in two or three different brands
11:22:06 <damian> vauxhall, opal and maybe holden? though i haven't seen them in australia
11:22:16 <damian> http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/opel-vauxhall/opel-ampera-e/
11:22:30 <damian> 2017, 1,918
11:22:33 <coppice> I know people with Volts in the US, and I've seen them on US roads. I've never seen or heard of an Ampera in the UK
11:23:14 <damian> really, it's a vauxhall though, that IS UK!
11:23:19 <damian> .... isn't it? :|
11:25:03 <coppice> the Ampera-e is the Bolt. For the Ampera try http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/opel-vauxhall/opel-ampera/
11:25:46 <Ampera> what does the app do?
11:40:38 <damian> it measures input/output to the battery on android
11:40:50 <damian> so you can see exactly how much juice the phone is using, or how fast a charger is charging
11:41:26 <damian> actually, i'm wrong. that app is called Ampere
11:41:41 <damian> well, it looks like Ampera does the same thing, but it's a poxy version
11:41:54 <mrpackethead> this scope hacking thing is so funny
11:41:59 <damian> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
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12:31:41 <ibiza> anyone know how to make with chrome so when i open another tab from a session and move it to another window that tab stays in the session and doesn't open another chrome
13:32:29 <Ampera> Not sure what you mean, ibiza
13:33:37 <Ampera> If you are referring to Chrome splitting up into multiple processes, then it's designed to do that.
13:34:10 <Ampera> There is a way to disable it (look up disable chrome multiple processes) however it has no real benefits, and can end up making the computer less stable
13:34:33 <Ampera> *computer > chrome
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14:01:39 <DHess_US> I found a bug in Firefox with noScript today. Originally I though it was because I was using an unsupported video card but I finally got a new video card.
14:02:44 <DHess_US> The Firefox option to always overfide page colors which is used if you want visited links to be a different color borks the noScript menu and probably other plug-in menus.
14:06:12 <DHess_US> So now I'm back to figuring out how to display visited links in a different color.
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15:16:16 <Ampera> I hate NoScript, my dad uses it all the time, and it just breaks every website you go to until you unbreak it.
15:16:32 <Ampera> all so people don't know you're looking at dildos so they can sell you more dildos
15:17:50 <Ampera> anyways, I'm at my grandfathers, and his kitten just chewed a bit of cable on his Sennheisers, and I spliced it back together with nothing but three dull knives, swiss army knife scissors, two matches, and some hot glue.
15:32:48 <DHess_US> I tried out Edge and it got owned in about 15 minutes on the open internet. Noscript is a must.
15:33:16 <DHess_US> It doesn't take long to compose a list of common unblocked domains from scratch.
15:39:39 <Tezzers> Anyone care to comment on a switch matrix for me? :v
15:39:40 <Tezzers> https://i.gyazo.com/6b31993346d83fac569fc5069d90a562.png
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17:35:21 <Ampera> What sites did you visit to do that?
17:35:36 <Ampera> I mean it doesn't suprise me that edge is full of sandboxing holes, it is Microsoft after all
17:36:06 <Ampera> speaking of which, did y'all here that Microsoft is dropping their own tech with Edge and replacing everything under the hood with chromium>
17:36:11 <Ampera> *hear
18:35:16 <Ampera> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/12/new-fight-online-privacy-and-security-australia-falls-what-happens-next
18:35:21 <Ampera> rip au/uk
18:49:36 <Halcyon> Foom
18:49:55 <Halcyon> Yeh those laws are a bit of a touchy subject, but I don't see much changing to be honest
18:50:08 <Halcyon> How are companies going to give up encryption keys if they don't know/store them?
18:50:46 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
18:51:32 * Halcyon scratches Steve behind the ear
18:51:40 <steve30> :)
18:53:06 <steve30> hmm, there's heavy rain outside
18:54:53 <Halcyon> It's the UK, isn't it always raining?
18:56:11 <steve30> pretty much
18:56:49 <Halcyon> Kittys don't like water generally
19:09:18 * steve30 feels a bit sleepy
19:13:58 <Halcyon> What time is it?
19:14:08 <steve30> 8:15am
19:14:18 <Halcyon> Go back to bed
19:14:23 <Halcyon> Rain is nice sleeping weather
19:54:29 <Halcyon> What do you guys think of APC Smart-UPS' generally?
19:54:34 <Halcyon> Worth the premium price tag?
19:55:13 <steve30> Never used one :)
20:20:43 <coppice> Halcyon: not really
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20:32:10 <coppice> Halcyon: my limited experience of the rack mount APC stuff has been OK. My experience of the little Smart-UPS units is the mains power is more reliable than the Smart-UPS
20:33:02 <coppice> Halcyon: one thing in APC's favour is they did actually recall and fix a Smart-UPS I had when they found some were going up in flames
20:35:29 <Halcyon> Mmm fire is bad
20:36:40 <coppice> They actually swapped out the whole machine for a refurbished one with a new battery
20:38:03 <Halcyon> Must have just been a bad model/batch?
20:38:52 <coppice> I don't know if it was a bad design, or a batch of bad components. I don't think they actually said what the problem was. It was a big recall, though
20:39:20 <Halcyon> I'm looking at the Smart-UPS X-series
20:39:39 <Halcyon> https://www.apc.com/shop/au/en/products/APC-Smart-UPS-X-3000VA-Rack-Tower-LCD-200-240V-with-Network-Card/P-SMX3000RMHV2UNC
20:40:19 <coppice> I don't think those biggers ones have much in common with the little Back-UPS models
20:40:29 <Halcyon> No, I don't think so either.
20:42:17 <coppice> my experience of UPSes is mostly the little desk top ones, and the big floor standing ones. I haven't much experience of the rack mount sized ones in the middle
20:42:52 <Halcyon> I would love a proper online UPS but they are even more expensive
20:43:08 <Halcyon> Might as well get a Tesla PowerWall or similar
20:44:54 <coppice> that's exactly what a Tesla PowerWall is. Tesla present them like a new class of product, but they are just a modern UPS with lithium batteries
20:45:32 <Halcyon> Well even now, companies like Eaton and I think APC as well are selling traditional UPSs with Lithium batteries instead of SLA.
20:46:51 <Halcyon> If the Labor government get in next election, it's highly likely they will subsidise battery systems
20:46:58 <Halcyon> I already have a 5kW solar system on the roof
20:47:54 <coppice> For large battery requirements buying an electronics box from the UPS maker and a whole bunch of SLA batteries mounted separately has been the most economic and easy to maintain solution. I wonder how lithium works out?
20:48:34 <coppice> why do you want a UPS? Is your power unreliable?
20:49:53 <Halcyon> It can be. I basically live in the bush and most of the main power lines are above ground. In high winds, trees come down all the time. The last time I lost a phase because a possum climbed up a power pole and tripped a fuse
20:50:15 <Halcyon> I had lights and half the home's GPOs, but the server room was dead.
20:50:36 <coppice> sounds reasonable then. For many people the UPS is their biggest liability
20:51:17 <Halcyon> It's only to power a few switches and two servers (which aren't overly power hungry)
20:51:42 <Halcyon> But also to absorb dips and sags. In high winds, power tends to fluctuate quite a bit.
20:52:21 <coppice> do you have issues with surges?
20:52:41 <Halcyon> No, we're generally pretty good in Australia, however lightning strikes can be an issue here
20:52:56 <Halcyon> Last summer lightning fried a 100 pair phone cable
20:53:51 <Halcyon> 99% of the problems we get are environmental as opposed to issues directly related to supply.
20:53:59 <coppice> even on well run networks its hard to avoid surges on every line. some places, like the US and China, seem to have unreasonable levels of surge issues, but nobody is perfect in this regard
20:54:20 <coppice> rural lines are tough to stabilise accurately
20:55:16 <Halcyon> The only surge I have ever copped was actually down the VDSL line. Took out a modem, a switch port, a NIC in my desktop and a Sonos speaker.
20:55:20 <Halcyon> Was fairly lucky actually.
20:57:30 <Halcyon> When I say bush, I basically live on the outskirts of Sydney
20:57:38 <Halcyon> Sydney is surrounded by bush
20:57:48 <Halcyon> I don't live in the outback or anything ;-)
20:58:06 <Halcyon> I'm actually CLOSER to the power plant than Sydney is
20:58:17 <coppice> I lay in bed one night listening to a storm outside when there was a flash of lightning accompanied by a click from a modem in the corner of the room. The lightening surge had blown a relay driver chip. Its nice to be able to link cause and effect like that :)
20:59:17 <Halcyon> I was pissed off, one of the on-board NICs fried on my Supermicro board which was in my desktop PC at the time. It's a really nice board. Machine kept running albeit without networking on that port
20:59:37 <Halcyon> It might be repairable, no skid marks, unlike the VDSL modem, that was toast inside
20:59:47 <coppice> mechanical relays, rather than opto couplers, had nasty reliability issues liek that. The surge through the contacts, coupled into the relay coil, can throw a huge hit at the coil driver
21:04:32 <Halcyon> The power where I am is generated about 80 KM away
21:24:08 <Halcyon> Steve30, you still there?
21:39:33 <damian> hey guys
21:39:41 <damian> for some reason it didn't occur to me that some of you might know this
21:40:26 <damian> but i'm looking for a thermometer / temperature warning system which uses LTE/3G/4G to notify of high/low temperatures via SMS/email
21:40:30 <damian> any of you know of anything that might do it?
21:51:03 <Halcyon> I'm sure there is someone here who would know, probably just a bad time, most people are in bed :)
21:57:59 <Halcyon> T3sl4 is probably a good person to ask
22:08:40 * steve30 pokes Halcyon
22:09:46 <steve30> I don't know of an individual device for that, but you could use something like an Arduino with temperature sensory and GSM module
22:22:55 * T3sl4 buhs
22:23:23 <T3sl4> i'm sure that exists, but be prepared to pay $$$ for it, sounds kinda special-industrial-like
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