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01:29:16 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Thurs 20th 10.30am (first steps,Mekkis) / Sun 23rd 9.30am (3-7,Mekkis) || WotW: Sat 22nd 1.30pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
01:29:16 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Jun 18 17:59:54 2013
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05:00:22 <Steven> ugh.... feel like shit today.
05:12:22 <Yiroep> :(
05:12:51 <Avatar> sell it
05:12:56 <Mekkis> ok
05:13:03 <Mekkis> Avatar, $30 and its yours.
05:13:12 <Avatar> not to me
05:13:15 <Avatar> I won't pay a cent for it
05:13:15 <Mekkis> oh
05:13:24 <Mekkis> Blasticka, $AU30 + shipping and it's yours.
05:13:31 <Avatar> I'd pay as much as a regular core rulebook for it, if I didn't have one
05:13:39 <Mekkis> really?
05:13:40 <Avatar> it's worth no more
05:13:46 <Mekkis> it's thicker.
05:13:52 <Avatar> oh, that's worse
05:13:55 <Avatar> I would expect a discount
05:14:04 <Mekkis> $AU30 IS a discount
05:14:13 <Avatar> more of a discount
05:14:28 <Mekkis> make me a counteroffer
05:14:38 <Avatar> $0, I already have a core rulebook
05:14:48 <Avatar> if I didn't have one, maybe $5
05:14:52 <Mekkis> make a diplomacy check
05:15:01 <Avatar> I don't know why I would want to carry around a thicker rulebook unless it was really worth my while
05:15:10 <Avatar> !roll 1d20+2
05:15:10 <dicebot> Avatar, 1d20+2: [1d20=9] 11
05:15:17 <Mekkis> no deal :p
05:15:39 <Avatar> what if I got a nat 20
05:15:51 <Mekkis> might work
05:15:59 <Avatar> a nat 20 *might* work?
05:16:04 <Avatar> that seems like cheating
05:16:11 <Mekkis> I don't have Ultimate campaign
05:16:20 <Avatar> yeah I have no idea what's in it
05:16:20 <Mekkis> it covers the bargaining rules
05:16:25 <Avatar> people talk about rebuild rules that are PFS legal
05:16:44 <Avatar> I can't find a pirate copy either to get a preview
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05:17:07 <Steven> yes mekkis i have ultimate camp
05:17:08 <Mekkis> I suggest Pirate Bay
05:17:14 <Mekkis> I found it there.
05:17:21 <Avatar> just send it to me
05:17:21 <Mekkis> tell me if it's real
05:17:56 <Mekkis> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:069d2dc45683e14d9ad7d13cf64775f68d65288e&dn=Pathfinder+-+Ultimate+Campaign+PDF&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337
05:18:00 <Mekkis> there you are
05:18:36 <Avatar> how do you use a magnet link
05:18:39 <Mekkis> Steven, I suggest you download it and report the watermark
05:18:51 <Mekkis> open a torrent client, and go Open URL
05:18:54 <Steven> its not my job to police
05:19:03 <Steven> you're more than welcome to do so though
05:19:11 <Avatar> report that it might make me a buyer
05:19:41 <Steven> i do however think you shouldnt pirate it and actually purchase the book
05:19:58 <Mekkis> Steven, is it worth buying?
05:19:59 <Steven> since it supports paizo and the more money they make the more product they can afford to put out.
05:20:10 <Avatar> good on you steven you're a good advocate
05:20:32 <Mekkis> I just gave paizo 3.99
05:20:48 <Steven> yes i saw
05:20:52 <Avatar> no you'll notice he was careful with his wording
05:20:53 <Mekkis> you can see that?
05:21:09 <Avatar> he's not allowed to say it's okay to pirate it because he's a paizo volunteer
05:21:34 <Avatar> which he doesn't have to confirm or deny
05:21:41 <Avatar> perhaps I'm wrong
05:21:58 <Avatar> that torrent doesn't work
05:22:23 <Mekkis> Avatar, what you should do is download it, replace the watermark with Steven's, then upload it somewhere!
05:22:39 <Avatar> to be a dick?
05:22:48 <Avatar> what would that accomplish
05:23:10 <Mekkis> an email to Steven :)
05:23:35 <Mekkis> This adventure makes use of the following Pathfinder
05:23:35 <Mekkis> Roleplaying Game products: the Pathfinder RPG Core
05:23:35 <Mekkis> Rulebook, the Pathfinder RPG Advanced Player’s Guide
05:23:35 <Mekkis> (APG), Pathfinder RPG Bestiary (B1), the Pathfinder Bestiary
05:23:35 <Mekkis> 3 (B3), Pathfinder RPG Ultimate Combat (UC), and Pathfinder
05:23:36 <Mekkis> RPG Ultimate Equipment (UE).
05:23:38 <Mekkis> Sigh.
05:23:39 <Avatar> neither funny nor productive
05:23:48 <Steven> yes, please do that so i can get in massive amounts of trouble... cause i totes wouldnt throw this conversation up to brock and launch a cursade to get your PFS number banned.
05:23:54 <Mekkis> please tell me that Season 5 will not require me to do all that.
05:24:18 <Steven> do what mekkis?
05:24:33 <Mekkis> apply templates and BS to monsters.
05:24:46 <Steven> i havent seen the season 5 scenarios yet.
05:24:51 <Mekkis> look, if there's a security issue, you shouldn't shoot the messenger... You should fix it.
05:25:00 <Mekkis> Does 4-EX require that?
05:25:24 <Steven> iunno
05:25:25 <Avatar> those are just the regular books though
05:25:30 <Avatar> except maybe bestiary 3
05:25:32 <kapow> so mekk when you land tomorrow you are going to text me
05:25:37 <Mekkis> yeah
05:25:42 <Mekkis> I'll text you when I land
05:25:43 <kapow> and I am going to wait 5-10 minutes then come get you
05:25:49 <kapow> and that should give you time to clear customs
05:25:49 <Avatar> it's not a colossal amount of extra work
05:25:52 <Mekkis> that's cool.
05:26:11 <Steven> all of it is in the core assumption
05:26:17 <kapow> And I'll pick you up where i dropped you off. Cause I don't want to pay for parking XP
05:26:22 <Mekkis> that's cool
05:26:48 <Mekkis> Steven, I know it is, but it's unnecessary extra work
05:27:00 <Brunius> Avatar, Mekkis, got any spare hard drives lying around?
05:27:01 <Mekkis> especially as sometimes the templates are applied incorrectly.
05:27:04 <Steven> no, its better for PFS
05:27:06 <Mekkis> Brunius, yep!
05:27:17 <Mekkis> Steven, explain your reasoning.
05:27:20 <Steven> because if they can tell people hey this monster is a young version of this creature
05:27:34 <Steven> and not have to include all stat blocks
05:27:42 <Steven> it means they can add more content to a scenario
05:27:46 <Avatar> any spare hard drives I have are hooked up with data on them
05:27:46 <Mekkis> why?
05:28:03 <Mekkis> you can add more content and all the stat blocks....
05:28:19 <Steven> scenarios are capped at X amount of pages, if you take up half a page with a stat block thats half a page of information you dont get to add
05:28:49 <Mekkis> Well get rid of the two pages of ads at the end of the scenario are replace them with two pages of statblocks.
05:28:51 <Mekkis> Everyone wins!
05:29:16 <Steven> so the more things they can say, this is an Advanced Reefcrawler that attacks the least armored target the better
05:29:32 <Steven> those are not included in the X amount of space.
05:29:39 <Steven> those are added by the marketing department
05:29:45 <Brunius> I think I need to throw more challenges at my party
05:29:52 <Mekkis> Sure, so rather than reading the content and working out how to run the scenario well and properly...
05:30:15 <Mekkis> you're reapplying all the templates that the scenario writer has already built, and hoping that you get the same thing...
05:30:54 <Steven> You'll have to trust me when i say its a good thing. I cannot go into more detail.
05:31:23 <Mekkis> What about when the scenario writer doesn't apply the template properly?
05:32:13 <Avatar> make it up
05:32:21 <Steven> improv that shit
05:32:23 <Mekkis> example: tier 3-4 boss of Sanos Abduction.
05:32:44 <Mekkis> Sure, so now you've got table variation which can REALLY skew the outcome.
05:32:57 <Steven> deal with it...
05:33:02 <Steven> no gaming system is perfect
05:33:28 <Avatar> run as written keeps coming up on the boards and it seems they expect table variation
05:33:38 <Avatar> like even beyond RAW
05:33:45 <Avatar> rules*
05:33:48 <Mekkis> or at least make the statblocks the scenario writer intended available.
05:34:10 <Avatar> run as written seems to be there just to protect against people wanting to add a monster to make it hard enough for the party
05:34:17 <Avatar> anything else seems fair play
05:34:30 <Steven> they expect things beyond table variation because some GMs like to increase stat block beyong what was designed
05:34:32 <Mekkis> including applying templates incorrectly?
05:34:42 <Mekkis> Steven, are you, as a VO, required to not be critical of anything Paizo does?
05:34:44 <Avatar> as best you can
05:35:12 <Steven> i am allowed to voice my opinion on things however i see fit so long as i dont attack individuals
05:35:34 <Steven> or say bad things
05:35:43 <Mekkis> "bad things"?
05:35:48 <Steven> like oh so and so player sucks the fattest cock ever, hate that gay fucker
05:35:56 <Steven> thats bad.
05:36:36 <Steven> so, basically when im acting in my role as VL
05:36:44 <Steven> i keep it PG13 if i can.
05:36:47 <Mekkis> ooh... my event code is palindromic!
05:37:03 <Mekkis> how do you run In Wrath's Shadow then?
05:37:14 <Steven> mine was close... only a few off.
05:37:49 <Mekkis> 27572
05:38:31 <Steven> which one is in wraths shadow
05:38:48 <Mekkis> the one where you go into a dungeon full of bodies suspended by wires
05:38:59 <Mekkis> and people in various sadomasochistic poses
05:39:01 <Steven> ah yeah.
05:39:14 <Steven> i said if i can.
05:39:24 <Steven> like i wouldnt run that if there was a 7 year old at the table.
05:39:32 <Steven> i'd inform the table i was making a switch.
05:39:34 <Mekkis> fair enough
05:39:48 <Steven> same with mrs feathers
05:40:00 <Mekkis> Which Mrs Feathers. Season 1 or Season 4?
05:40:10 <Steven> i would probably switch to we be gobbies, frostfur captives, or rise of the goblin guild
05:40:21 <Steven> kids love goblins
05:42:31 <Steven> last game of rise of the goblin guild
05:42:48 <Steven> paladin of sarenrae
05:42:50 <Mekkis> start them on Goodall, end them on Goodall :)
05:43:12 <Steven> almost killed the goblin at the start
05:43:15 <Steven> with the skull
05:43:44 <Steven> after she surrendered
05:43:53 <Steven> because she wouldnt stop hugging his leg
05:45:35 <Steven> and he detected to see if she was evil
05:45:40 <Steven> totes evil.
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05:45:50 <Steven> and he was like, ill kill it i draw my sword
05:46:02 <Steven> and i was like, are you sure you want to kill a creature that has surrendered to you?
05:46:43 <Steven> he got the message and was like... fuck gotta wait till it turns on us
05:46:45 <Steven> and it never did
05:48:18 <Steven> he was so sad
06:26:57 <Avatar> :(
06:27:37 <Blasticka> not the sad face! anything but that
06:27:51 <Avatar> I am keen to play WBG2
06:44:01 <Steven> i think im goign to rearrange some credit
06:44:16 <Steven> so i can actually play my sherlock holmes character in way of hte kirin
06:44:23 <Steven> when you guys run it in here
06:44:45 <Avatar> cool
06:46:43 <Steven> i need one more game.
06:46:46 <Steven> then i will be level 3
06:47:18 <Steven> then if i redo the credit
06:47:51 <Steven> i wont auto level to 6 until after i play the game.
06:54:12 <Avatar> can you get into a game before sunday
06:55:16 <Steven> probably.
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06:58:24 <Ballig> you can't rules lawyer just because the rules don't explicitly cover every specific scenario
06:58:33 <Ballig> they call it "table variation"
06:59:15 <Yiroep> But if an argument is made it should be followed. What happens "on the fly" at a table is different from a preconceived notion.
06:59:28 <Longshot> which is also why you shouldn't ever build characters around a loophole in the rules like that because it is very likely a GM just says no. and then you're screwed.
06:59:49 <Ballig> GMs always know how they're going to rule
07:00:01 <Longshot> there are so many other ways to build characters that don't require having that argument with the GM
07:00:06 <Longshot> just do things that way.
07:00:09 <Steven> darn dont have any credit i can just throw at it immediately
07:00:10 <Longshot> saves everyone some greif.
07:00:14 <Longshot> grief*
07:00:18 <Steven> to get it there right away.
07:00:27 <Yiroep> Well, I just know around here all GMs are fine with the ruling I said.
07:01:07 <Yiroep> "around here" = my local area.
07:01:27 <Ballig> that's why it's called table variation
07:03:09 <Krillic> I mean, I know fun is supposed to be had and all, but things die. Monsters and sometimes characters.
07:03:35 <Steven> yeah, and if this was everyones second or third character
07:04:00 <Steven> you guys would have died in the water with the colorsprayed suaghan
07:04:05 <Steven> cause he came back
07:04:14 <Krillic> thats what those guys were?
07:04:22 <Krillic> and they were attacking us because we killed that seadog thing?
07:04:26 <Steven> no
07:04:36 <Steven> they assumed, incorrectly, that you were responsable for their friends death
07:04:47 <Steven> because you were headed towards the hydra's fang
07:04:54 <Krillic> ohhhh got it
07:05:14 <Krillic> this mission was actually very hard for a level 1-2
07:05:14 <allengirl> Is their any way we could have convinced them that we were innocent with persuasion or intimidation?
07:05:21 <Krillic> probably not
07:05:22 <Yiroep> Also: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kg80?Lay-on-Hands-with-a-light-shield
07:05:27 <Steven> no, they were crazed with rage
07:05:31 <Ballig> lay on hands isn't a spell
07:05:40 <Yiroep> You didn't read the thread.
07:05:43 <Krillic> this was scary hard for a 1-2
07:05:45 <Ballig> I sure didn't
07:06:01 <Krillic> i mean THREE ghouls? In a confined space like that? Talk about woof.
07:06:07 <Steven> i think it was your bad rolls...
07:06:16 <Steven> frankly the confined space saved you
07:06:16 <Krillic> Plus the two water things
07:06:24 <Yiroep> No need to be adversarial.
07:06:27 <allengirl> I'll have to take some time and come up with a character that will fit my play style better.
07:06:28 <Krillic> no, the cleric saved us
07:06:29 <Steven> otherwise they would have been able to flank around people
07:06:45 <Steven> and then more people would have been having to make fort saves
07:06:53 <Longshot> It's still not an official Errata though
07:07:14 <Steven> her AC was 20
07:07:14 <allengirl> I wanted to be a cleric but we couldn't figure out the deity/traits thing.
07:07:30 <Krillic> clerics are confusing
07:07:33 <Krillic> to me at least
07:07:36 <Krillic> too much going on
07:07:39 <Steven> clerics are pretty easy
07:08:03 <Steven> pick a diety, pick a domain, pick spells
07:08:07 <Steven> wear medium armor
07:08:21 <Steven> wield dieties favored weapon
07:08:29 <Krillic> I think you should have done like, toughness and power attack insteead of cleave though
07:08:33 <Krillic> cleave is so situational
07:08:35 <Ballig> the point is that if you're going to get into long arguments with a GM during a game to allow you to get around rules or do something the GM doesn't think is entirely kosher, you're going to hold the game back
07:08:42 <Ballig> you need to be prepared to accept the GM's ruling
07:08:58 <Steven> cleric has a lot of versatility
07:09:02 <Yiroep> That's why I'm arguing it now, lol.
07:09:05 <allengirl> I pretty much went with what Andrew said to.
07:09:05 <Krillic> and toughness is like, an extra hit point per level
07:09:07 <Ballig> there's often time for a small amount of argument if you are quick, or can provide a page number for a rule, or something like that
07:09:07 <allengirl> lol
07:09:12 <Ballig> but after a reasonable amount of argument you need to accept it
07:09:27 <Krillic> anyways, its 7 am and im sleepy
07:09:29 <Krillic> night night all
07:09:30 <Krillic> haha
07:09:35 <allengirl> Sleep well.
07:09:36 <Steven> yeah, i gotta go to the store and get some food.
07:09:37 <Yiroep> I usually print out my sources when I think something is questionable.
07:09:37 <Steven> im hungry
07:09:40 <Steven> be back in a bit
07:09:41 <Yiroep> So that's not the issue here.
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07:10:58 <Longshot> My point though is why do questionable stuff at all?
07:11:12 <Longshot> The least arguments possible=most fun possible
07:11:43 <Steven> just need a 1-5 game rather soon
07:11:53 <Yiroep> This isn't exactly an "uncommon" situation.
07:12:04 <Yiroep> A cleric wanting to cast in a light shield with a weapon probably comes up a ton.
07:12:11 <Yiroep> That's not even a weird build or anything.
07:13:01 <Longshot> So why would you need to trade hands..?
07:13:16 <Longshot> You can let go of the grip of the shield and do somatic components with that hand can you not?
07:14:21 <Yiroep> The point is that a buckler has specific rules for doing so but a light shield does not.
07:14:27 <Yiroep> Shields are always a point of contention, though.
07:14:42 <Yiroep> And whether your hand is free or not.
07:14:56 <Longshot> so just take a heavy shield so the problem doesn't come up
07:15:10 <Longshot> or a buckler since its essentially the same thing
07:15:11 <Yiroep> Then you can't cast, lol.
07:15:13 <Longshot> or animate your shield
07:15:31 <Longshot> so you drop your mace to cast and pick it back up next turn then
07:15:41 <Yiroep> Well, there's always a weapon cord.
07:15:54 <Longshot> yup, or weapon cord
07:15:59 <Yiroep> But even so, I don't see how that's any different from switching your hands.
07:16:08 <Yiroep> It technically even requires more time.
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07:20:12 <Longshot> because an FAQ from 3.5 said it was a move action. and since pathfinder is based off of 3.5 i would say its a move action.
07:20:52 <Longshot> I mean, drawing is a move action. And switching hands takes just as much time, especially if you're trying to get it around a shield without dropping the weapon or anything
07:22:23 <Yiroep> Yet again, James Jacobs said it's a free action.
07:22:31 <Yiroep> Ugh, I wish an official ruling would be made.
07:23:06 <Yiroep> "if you're wielding a 2H weapon, you can let go of the weapon with one of your hands (free action). You're now only carrying the 2H weapon, not wielding it, but your free hand is now free to attack or help cast spells or whatever. And at the end of your turn if your free hand remains free you'd be able to return it to grip your 2H weapon so you can still threaten foes and take attacks of opportunity if you want."
07:23:15 <Yiroep> But again, it's not official.
07:24:34 <Longshot> which means its up to the GMs
07:25:00 <Longshot> meaning it seems to be best to play casters without shields
07:25:47 <Yiroep> Well, in GA people take what on what Paizo staff says...so take that as you will.
07:28:30 <Yiroep> Also, many many people on the forums.
07:30:04 <Longshot> alot of the guys i play with in GA have actually never been on the forums/ couldn't care less about the forums
07:30:26 <Yiroep> Have you been outside of Dallas?
07:31:30 <Longshot> why would that matter? All I'm saying is that was a very inaccurate, sweeping generalization.
07:32:02 <Yiroep> Ok, ok.
07:32:05 <Yiroep> Atlanta, not GA.
07:32:14 <Yiroep> I stand corrected
07:34:48 <Longshot> sdgoin I've been trying to find this indie game my friend was telling me about, something with master in the title. Only have 2 stats and the rolls/rules are super minimal, something about minions and blah blah blah, does anyone have any idea of what the actual title to this game is?
07:34:59 <Steven> back
07:35:30 <Steven> dont think im going to take my crappy second feat lol
07:35:54 <Longshot> FOUND IT
07:35:56 <Longshot> never mind
07:36:04 <Longshot> My life with master. Looks really interesting.
07:37:05 <Steven> trait even
07:37:10 <Steven> should find something cooler
07:37:36 <Steven> i has donut
07:40:55 <Steven> there ready to go!
07:44:27 <Steven> thinkin reactionary
07:45:32 <Steven> no i mean its going to take all the time plus 40 minutes to get there
07:45:46 <Steven> wrong window
07:49:01 <allengirl> Yum
07:49:15 <blasticka> donut. donut goooodddd
07:49:26 <allengirl> We're trying to make me a new character.
07:49:34 <allengirl> One that might manage to stay less dead.
07:50:29 <Brunius> I generally roll reactionary and a faction trait
07:51:01 <Brunius_> have you tried turning it off and then on again
07:51:04 <Brunius_> I mean uh
07:51:10 <Brunius_> Ummm
07:51:14 <Brunius_> Barbarian?
07:51:17 <Brunius_> They have lots of HP
07:51:28 <allengirl> Ranger, with toughness
07:51:29 <blasticka> her ranger we are making has 15
07:51:31 <allengirl> 15HP
07:51:54 <blasticka> have a question though.
07:52:08 <allengirl> My character died on my first mission. Clearly a fighter is not for me.
07:52:13 <blasticka> since she plans to do ranged damage when possible, is a shield and a rapier and weapon finesse a waste?
07:52:22 <Steven> yes.
07:52:30 <Steven> there we go, all ready to go.
07:52:41 <Steven> just need to get me a game in before this weekend
07:52:42 <blasticka> so point blank shot for her second feat is a better option then?
07:53:07 <Steven> however you could always put a point or two into str and get a compound bow
07:53:13 <Steven> when she can afford it
07:53:27 <Steven> so she adds her str to damage rolls with a bow.
07:53:53 <blasticka> wisdom is important for a ranger yes?
07:54:00 <allengirl> Longbow or short?
07:54:01 <Steven> not particularly.
07:54:05 <blasticka> that's the only stat we could steal from to give her more strength
07:54:17 <Steven> race?
07:54:20 <blasticka> human
07:54:36 <allengirl> Could go half-elf
07:54:46 <blasticka> would lose the bonus feat though
07:55:01 <Steven> hmmmm could do 14/18/14/8/12/8
07:55:07 <Steven> you wont be smart or well liked
07:55:19 <Steven> but you will be decnetly survivable and hit fairly well
07:55:27 <Steven> couse...
07:55:27 <blasticka> she would lose two skill points, but she has heaps
07:55:31 <Steven> if you wanted to cheese....
07:55:44 * Steven gets a sly look in his eyes...
07:56:55 <blasticka> cheese? and Pie?
07:57:14 <blasticka> I like cheese and piiiiieeeee.
07:57:39 <Steven> so i can play my rediculous character
07:57:43 <blasticka> what is your idea
07:57:57 <Steven> level 3, +11 perception
07:58:08 <Steven> dunno if you can handle it...
07:58:42 <blasticka> with the 14/18/14/8/12/8 wouldn't you have 2 points left?
07:59:17 <Steven> yeah, leaving 2 points to put in either int or cha
07:59:20 <blasticka> 16 costs 10, both 14 cost 5, plus 2 for each 8, -2 for the 12
07:59:28 <blasticka> probably int
07:59:35 <Steven> up to her if she wants more skill points or better communication with her animal
08:01:29 <Steven> alright so.... this may get a little crazy.
08:01:35 <allengirl> Okay
08:01:36 <Steven> and sense motive
08:01:47 <allengirl> Listening, or reading as the case may be
08:02:34 <Steven> dunno, if its really the best idea to give you a character concept if you are still learning the game.
08:03:02 <allengirl> I've played similar games before.
08:03:07 <allengirl> I get the gist.
08:03:33 <blasticka> ooh before I forget I'm buying a spiked guantlet
08:04:29 <Steven> alright you're gonna select your race as Garuda-Blooded Aasimar
08:04:38 <Steven> this nets you +2 dex and +2 Wis
08:05:14 <allengirl> And what neg?
08:05:23 <Steven> aasimar dont have negatives
08:05:32 <allengirl> Wow
08:05:40 <allengirl> That seems OP
08:05:46 <Steven> humans are still better.
08:05:56 <Steven> save for this build...
08:06:27 <Steven> you gain +2 on acrobatics and fly skill, and gain see invisibility 1/day
08:08:38 <Steven> you also get cold, acid, electricity resistance 5
08:08:51 <Steven> you have darkvision 60ft
08:09:53 <Mekkis> back in Brisbane
08:11:13 <Steven> wtf... dude just sent me a request for reins... he is getting hit with 1200 infantry units
08:11:22 <Steven> wrong window
08:12:03 <Steven> damn it....
08:12:11 <Steven> mekkis is back, that means i have to stop helping you build cheese
08:12:15 <Steven> or he starts crying about it.
08:13:19 <allengirl> Well we wouldn't want that
08:13:55 <Steven> yeah its nearly unbearible
08:15:46 <Steven> alright so read this archetype
08:15:47 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger/archetypes/paizo---ranger-archetypes/infiltrator
08:18:54 <allengirl> Thats a lot of options to choose from
08:19:06 <Steven> so you give up favored terrain and you get to select one bonus from the list, based off of what your favored enemy is
08:19:31 <Steven> so if you pick undead
08:19:34 <Steven> Undead: darkvision 60 ft., Great Fortitude, Iron Will, natural armor (+2). Skill Focus (Stealth).
08:19:37 <Steven> you pick one of those
08:19:53 <Steven> and for 10 minutes per day per level you get to use that ability/feat
08:19:54 <allengirl> Natural armor is appealing.
08:20:18 <Steven> so is +2 to any save, what you give up is favored terrain
08:20:37 <Steven> which is +2 to perception, initiative, suvival and a few other things when in a specificy kind of terrain
08:20:40 <Steven> like Urban
08:20:45 <Steven> dungeon
08:20:58 <Steven> forest
08:21:12 <Steven> the nice thing is that Adaptation can be used any any time.
08:21:27 <allengirl> Major perk
08:21:56 <allengirl> Since you might go on 5 missions that never cross your favored terrain.
08:22:14 <Steven> like if you were to pick aberration and picked amphibious, when you fell in the water today you coudl have activated adaptation and gained amphibious
08:22:18 <allengirl> Can you get it before level 3?
08:22:21 <Steven> which would have allowed you to breathe undewater
08:22:26 <allengirl> Nice.
08:22:34 <Steven> anyway
08:22:55 <Steven> its a pretty nice thing.
08:23:08 <Steven> favored terrain is a lot like favored enemy
08:23:23 <Steven> some of them are more useful and encountred more often then others
08:23:32 <Steven> like you wont run into many gnomes you have to kill
08:23:45 <Steven> so favored enemy gnome is less likely to be useful then favored enemy undead
08:23:54 <Brunius> uh huh
08:23:56 <allengirl> But you might run into lots of undead or animals
08:24:08 <Steven> pretty much it goes
08:24:18 <Steven> best favored enemies to have
08:24:34 <Steven> Human, undead, evil outsider, aberration and then whatever floats your boat
08:25:13 <allengirl> So its +2 wisdom and +2 charisma for the assimar
08:25:32 <Steven> the reason human is on there is because it procs on humans, half orcs and halfelfs
08:25:43 <Steven> so its really like having 3 favored enemy all in one
08:25:57 <allengirl> is Garuda-blooded somehow changing that?
08:26:01 <Mekkis> !spell caster's fortune
08:26:12 <Mekkis> !spell crafter's fortune
08:26:14 <Steven> garuda-blooded changes it from the normal to +2 dex and wis
08:26:36 <allengirl> Which is much better for a ranger
08:26:43 <Steven> a decent statline including bonuses is 12/18/14/13/12/10
08:27:22 <Mekkis> !spell crafter's fortune
08:27:26 <diebot> Mekkis, CRAFTER'S FORTUNE transmutation ([]) alchemist 1, sorcerer/wizard 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, F (a tool) Duration: 1 day/level or until discharged (D) Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)
08:27:26 <diebot> The target is struck by inspiration and gains a +5 luck bonus on its next Craft skill check.
08:28:06 <allengirl> Thats what I have
08:28:14 <Steven> i considered giving you my NG Aasimar Paladin archer build... but....
08:28:21 <Steven> thats a bit too much cheese to start with.
08:28:53 <Steven> this is just a solid built character that should serve well in nearly any position it finds itself in
08:29:01 <Steven> naturaly its going to prefer attacking from ranged.
08:30:16 <Steven> but even if you find yourself in melee combat, with some medium armor you should be able to take a hit or two
08:31:45 <Steven> 1st level feat is PBS, then precise shot at second, and Rapid shot for third
08:33:16 <Steven> well... i have to go to sleep now, need to be well rested for the game im running tonight.
08:33:59 <allengirl> No worries. Is precise shot a better choice than toughness?
08:34:30 <Steven> you can get toughness at 5th if you find yourself needing more HP
08:34:46 <allengirl> Okay thanks
08:34:50 <allengirl> Last thing,
08:34:55 <allengirl> Shortbow or longbow?
08:35:07 <Steven> longbow
08:35:24 <allengirl> No worries, see you at the game 12 hours from now.
08:35:27 <Steven> just a regular everyday longbow
08:35:33 <allengirl> Will do.
08:35:39 <Steven> Oh im not talking about that one, i have a game at the local shop
08:35:52 <Steven> see ya
08:35:54 <allengirl> Good fun.
08:35:56 <allengirl> Bye
08:51:20 <blasticka> does EVERYONE get 2 traits no matter what?
08:58:15 <GreenDragon> Hello everyone from Miami, Florida!
08:59:00 <GreenDragon> I am looking for some players for my homebrew game at www.greendragonadventure.com Come support a fellow geek!
09:14:09 <Mekkis_x200> So, I'm here now.
09:14:15 <Mekkis_x200> Back in au and all that.
09:18:19 <blasticka> yay welcome back
09:18:30 <blasticka> quick question. characters get 2 traits no matter what correct?
09:20:15 <Mekkis_x200> you can get more
09:20:24 <Mekkis_x200> up to six, I believe.
09:20:48 <Mekkis_x200> but generally two
09:21:07 <blasticka> sounds good. thanks.
09:22:26 <Mekkis_x200> I don't think it's possible to have less than two
09:26:05 <Mekkis_x200> was there a game today?
09:28:45 <blasticka> yes, steven gm'd for us, hydra fange
09:28:48 <blasticka> *fang
09:29:23 <blasticka> it was me, longshot, my wife who just joined, and a pregen cleric who saved the day a lot
09:29:38 <blasticka> my wife's dwarf died. so shes making a ranger
09:30:18 <Mekkis_x200> you playing tomorrow?
09:30:27 <blasticka> yes we both are
09:30:37 <blasticka> allengirl is my wife and she signed up as well
09:30:40 <Mekkis_x200> ok
09:30:46 <blasticka> but her new character is not ready yet
09:30:46 <Mekkis_x200> I'll remember to get up
09:31:04 <blasticka> get some good rest. :-)
09:33:45 <Mekkis> this time I won't have a freight train in the same room
09:33:52 <blasticka> :-)
09:34:07 <blasticka> can you look at allengirl's sheet and see if there are any problems?
09:34:14 <Mekkis> it should be legal to slit someone's throat if they do that :)
09:34:21 <Mekkis> what's the character name?
09:34:25 <Allengirl> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=769
09:34:35 <blasticka> she hasn't registered it with paizo yet
09:34:56 <Allengirl> I'm changing the name, since I changed the race.
09:35:19 <Allengirl> I haven't got a clue what a good name for an aasimar is though
09:36:06 <Mekkis> did Steven talk you into that?
09:36:34 <Allengirl> I am sure he would never do such a thing.
09:36:45 <Allengirl> :P
09:36:48 <Mekkis> then you haven't been paying attention!
09:37:18 <Allengirl> He killed my first character I guilted him into helping.
09:37:21 <Mekkis> he does it to make you take races that require ownership of two books to legally play, thus giving money to Paizo :)
09:38:04 <Allengirl> Uh huh.
09:38:11 <Allengirl> I don't know anything about that.
09:39:07 <Allengirl> I had a dwarf fighter who got eaten by some nasty ghouls.
09:39:16 <Allengirl> Darn his dice throws.
09:41:10 <blasticka> so you are saying, that we can't let her use this character as is tomorrow morning?
09:42:28 <Mekkis> Basically, to play a Garuda-blooded asimaar, you need to own Bestiary and Blood of Angels... so it's a significant monetary investment.
09:42:33 <Mekkis> I'm not saying that
09:43:02 <Mekkis> I'm saying that you should take that into account when building a character.
09:44:13 <Mekkis> Actual /Issues/ with the sheet: well, you should have "+1" next to Wild Empathy - maybe even put it in the skills section...
09:44:20 <Mekkis> and you need another language.
09:44:46 <Allengirl> So to play it, I need to purchase a couple of books?
09:45:11 <Mekkis> to legally play it, yeah. Most people will generally turn a blind eye...
09:45:53 <Allengirl> Back to the drawing board.
09:45:58 <Mekkis> But the big thing is that since it IS a roleplaying game, without the books you won't know why a Garuda-blooded asimaar is stomping around in Golarion
09:46:03 <Mekkis> It breaks verisimilitude.
09:47:05 <Allengirl> Its okay I will start again with something else tomorrow morning. Its late now and I'm to tired to start again effectively.
09:48:23 <Mekkis> you could, for instance, do an elf with 14/18/12/12/12/8
09:48:28 <Mekkis> which would be very similar
09:48:54 <Mekkis> or a human with 14/18/14/10/12/8
09:49:22 <Mekkis> But why would a garuda-blooded asimaar decide to start hunting down humans?
09:51:23 <Allengirl> Because her parents were killed by humans and she was raised by orcs who tend not to like humans anyway.
09:51:50 <Mekkis> why wouldn't the orcs just eat her?
09:51:52 <Allengirl> I can come up with roleplay reasons for anything. But you're right I don't know anything about the advanced pathfinder races.
09:52:42 <Mekkis> a non-human core race is easy. You select it, select somewhere they came from and are raised, and you're good to go.
09:52:50 <Mekkis> Human is almost as easy
09:52:55 <Allengirl> Because they were scientists, and were fascinated by something they'd never seen before.
09:53:00 <Mekkis> select human, choose a region and read about it.
09:53:10 <Mekkis> You're not describing the Orcs of Golarion.
09:53:23 <Allengirl> Yep, yep. Thats why I went with a Dwarf for my first character.
09:53:39 <Allengirl> Unless these ones were special too.
09:54:16 <Allengirl> I like to argue, and I get worse when it becomes illogical.
09:54:37 <Allengirl> Ask my husband. :D
09:54:58 <blasticka> she's a debater for the sake of the debate
09:55:42 <Allengirl> Anyway. I'll start again with a human bard or something.
09:55:58 <Allengirl> Thanks for the advice.
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10:36:17 <Mekkis> !spell share shape
10:36:22 <diebot> Mekkis, SHARE SHAPE transmutation (polymorph[]) ranger 3, sorcerer/ wizard 4, witch 4 1 standard action Range: personal Comp: V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume) Duration: 1 hour/level (D) Save: SR:
10:36:22 <diebot> This spell functions as beast shape II, but you may only assume the form of an animal of a type identical to your animal companion or familiar. If your familiar or companion is not an animal, this spell has no effect.
10:37:58 <Longshot> hey, nifty spell. maybe as a scroll for me since i plan on taking a horse. would then be two mounts for other people to ride
10:38:57 <Mekkis> 4th level
10:39:50 <Longshot> so not really useful at all then unless you've got something along the lines of a wolf or improved familiar or something
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10:46:23 <Longshot> sup blasticka
10:46:37 <Longshot> shame you can't join us tomorrow
10:52:54 <Blasticka> yeah I know
10:53:00 <Blasticka> plans changed after I had signed up
10:53:21 <Blasticka> we have to be in barker at 1pm so have to leave the house around 12:15
10:53:31 <Blasticka> tried to push everything back but it just wasn't gonna happen
10:54:03 <Blasticka> if they were able to change it to today I could play
10:56:47 <Longshot> nah, but if we can get a group of people i'd be up for a game tonight/today for you guys
10:57:31 <Blasticka> well first thing is to find a gm and 2 more players probably
10:57:54 <Mekkis> get me internet and I will.
10:57:54 <Longshot> not enough people online i don't think
10:58:06 <Longshot> give it an hour or so, if people see this and are interested, they'll pipe up
10:58:12 <Blasticka> are you still over seas?
10:58:14 <Longshot> give you internet?
10:58:22 <Longshot> what do you mean Mekkis?
10:58:23 <Mekkis> yeah. Hard to GM a game on a plane
10:58:54 <Longshot> how are you on IRC on a plane...?
10:59:05 <Mekkis> I'm not on a plane yet
10:59:18 <Blasticka> when is your flight?
10:59:59 <Blasticka> maybe you could go to an internet cafe. or mcdonalds
11:00:02 <Blasticka> lol
11:01:29 <Longshot> also, i've been meaning to ask this, why are there always two Mekkis'? You and mekkisScreen
11:01:46 <Mekkis> because I'm just that good
11:02:44 <Longshot> ok haha
11:05:49 <Mekkis> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGNU_Screen&ei=5QPBUZCPFumg0QWWvID4Cg&usg=AFQjCNHHVx345y1nQ-PBjXLRVtDjIXCy1A&bvm=bv.47883778,d.d2k
11:08:24 <Longshot> yeah, wikipedia didn't help to clarify much in this circumstance
11:08:45 <Longshot> mostly because I'd have to look up about 10 other definitions to know what the heck wikipedia is talking about haha
11:12:35 <Blasticka> sure would be nice to get a game in today. I won't get my hopes up too high though.
11:12:41 <Blasticka> :-P
11:13:02 <Longshot> well if im gonna join in, it's gonna have to start within the next hour or two
11:13:27 <Blasticka> mekkis, what is your window of availability to GM if any?
11:13:51 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
11:14:09 <Blasticka> I mean, if we started in the next two hours, could you GM without missing your flight or something
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11:15:07 <Blasticka> hello lion. :-)
11:15:17 <Longshot> ello mate :)
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11:17:54 <Longshot> g'bye mate
11:17:56 <Longshot> haha
11:18:06 <Blasticka> I think he is still here
11:18:17 <Blasticka> lurking in the shadows! :-O
11:19:04 <Longshot> oh, cuz it came up on my feed that he quit. somethin bout a ping timeout.
11:19:30 <Longshot> oh wait, 2 different people. one's a lion, one's not haha
11:21:23 <Blasticka> my wife sounds interested in playing with us today
11:21:42 <Longshot> has she ever played before?
11:21:44 <Blasticka> I'd have to roll for her cause she can't get into this chat thingy, something about pop up blockers I think
11:22:06 <Longshot> go ahead and get her registered everywhere
11:22:08 <Blasticka> she has researched it cause we are planning a local game, but no this would be her first game.
11:22:25 <Blasticka> she's pretty quick on the uptake with stuff like this though
11:22:26 <Longshot> even if we don't get to play a game, having her registered here and at paizo wouldn't be a bad thing
11:27:46 <Blasticka> well, it won't let me click enter to finish the registering process. her username is allengirl
11:32:31 <Longshot> on here or at paizo?
11:32:32 <Blasticka> alright she's in!
11:32:37 <Longshot> cool
11:32:44 <Longshot> make sure she's registered at paizo too
11:32:58 <Longshot> and you can go ahead and get a character in the system for her here too
11:36:34 <Longshot> also, Avatar or Mekkis, the game I played here with my bard got registered on Paizo's website under my ranger. what should i do about that?
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12:53:22 <Mekkis> my flight leaves in less than two hours
12:54:52 <Longshot> exactly why i said we'd need a gm haha
12:55:07 <Longshot> we have issued finishing a game in 6 hours, let alone 2.. haha
12:56:08 <Blasticka> avatar never does pickup games
12:56:23 <Blasticka> so we'd have to get... Steven!
12:56:25 <Mekkis> Avatar's at work, isn't he?
12:56:34 <Blasticka> probably
12:56:46 <Mekkis> you might have a chance with steven. He will never run a pickup game if I'm playing in it
12:57:09 <Blasticka> are you guys arch nemesis or something?
12:57:12 <Blasticka> :-P
12:57:15 <Mekkis> not really
12:57:21 <Mekkis> we just have some disagreements
12:59:03 <Blasticka> how close are we to your deadline longshot?
13:00:25 <Longshot> we'd have to start pretty soon mate
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13:13:18 <Blasticka> brb
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13:13:46 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuup
13:13:59 <Longshot> STEVEN :)
13:14:05 <Longshot> we were just talking about you
13:14:08 <Steven> i read
13:14:13 <Steven> and no i wont GM
13:14:24 <Longshot> are you up for playing though if someone GMs?
13:14:28 <Steven> im having major alergy problems and problem breathing
13:15:01 <Steven> and mekkis i didnt know we had disagreements
13:15:19 <Longshot> go to a farmers market sometime and get local honey
13:15:20 <Mekkis> oh, we argue enough about it
13:15:27 <Longshot> and eat a tablespoon of it everyday
13:15:49 <Longshot> your body will start to build up resistances to many allergens
13:16:12 <Longshot> has to be local though to combat the local allergens
13:16:14 <Mekkis> the Singapore players got a bit of a shock - it seems that they have a culture of uptiering, combined with a lack of exposure to Season Four.
13:16:18 <Steven> enough about what...
13:16:28 <Mekkis> what constitutes cheese
13:16:30 <Steven> that sounds like a horrible combination.
13:16:42 <Steven> oh that, yeah you just dont know what your talking about.
13:16:54 <Mekkis> yeah. A gun got Shattered last Friday.
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13:17:03 <Mekkis> Two deaths yesterday
13:17:10 <Steven> fuck em up!
13:17:31 <Steven> i effectively TPK'd a table yesterday
13:17:33 <Steven> but i was nice.
13:17:35 <Mekkis> 4x level 2 + 3x level 4 decided to play up.
13:17:42 <Brunius_> uh
13:18:11 <Mekkis> none of them were permanent
13:19:05 <Mekkis> Steven, if you have a weapon on a weapon cord, what are your restrictions?
13:19:38 <Mekkis> just "no fine movements" and "don't wield another weapon in that hand"?
13:21:29 <Mekkis> a player had a bardiche hanging on a weapon cord and was trying to run, jump, and take 5' steps.
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13:22:07 <Longshot> oh dude that sucks
13:22:14 <Blasticka> we might have to just tell our friends we are coming late tomorrow and sign up for the first steps
13:22:15 <Steven> threw up and asperated...
13:22:18 <Steven> bad lungs from then on
13:22:21 <Mekkis> Steven, if you have a weapon on a weapon cord, what are your restrictions?
13:22:21 <Blasticka> :-( sorry man
13:22:36 <Longshot> do you do any sorts of cardio to at least increase your lung capacity a teeny tiny bit?
13:22:38 <Steven> none mekkis, you win at life.
13:22:46 <Mekkis> just "no fine movements" and "don't wield another weapon in that hand"?
13:22:47 <Mekkis> ?
13:22:55 <Mekkis> a player had a bardiche hanging on a weapon cord and was trying to run, jump, and take 5' steps.
13:22:56 <Steven> They told me i would never run again, and i proved them wrong through hard work
13:23:14 <Longshot> oh god i hate running haha
13:23:18 <Longshot> i swim
13:23:20 <Longshot> and bike
13:23:47 <Steven> then at 21 we found out in allergic to wheat pollen/dandger by living next to a wheat field
13:23:51 <Steven> i mean right next to it
13:24:03 <Longshot> thats why i mentioned the local honey
13:24:09 <Steven> and i went to the hospital
13:24:16 <Longshot> literally a month of that and the wheat/pollen/dander won't bother you anymore
13:24:32 <Steven> and they told me i was never going to do anything physical again
13:24:46 <Brunius_> fuck da popo amirite steven
13:25:05 <Steven> and i told em to toss it and i gained some of my stuff back with athsma thats moderate
13:25:11 <Steven> and then two years ago
13:25:33 <Steven> i went into the hospital for 5 days because my lungs stopped working
13:25:38 <Steven> and now i have severe athsma
13:25:58 <Steven> and the only reason im not on a breathing machine and oxygen is because i refuse to do it.
13:26:18 <Blasticka> I got diagnosed with sleep apnea and got a breathing machine
13:26:24 <Blasticka> it helps a ton with good sleep
13:26:32 <Steven> and, the honey thing does not work because wheat pollen/dander acts as a paralitic for my lungs
13:27:06 <Steven> it also increases the rate at which i get migraines.
13:27:38 <Longshot> have you tried it? because the reason the honey works is because there is a little bit of it in the honey because the bees make honey out of that stuff. so your body builds up a resistance to it slowly.
13:28:00 <Longshot> like how you are vaccinated with a small amount of measles to keep from ever getting the actual measles.
13:28:16 <Steven> i used to be a bee keeper
13:28:23 <Steven> i know everything there is to know about honey
13:28:34 <Longshot> :( that sucks that can't help you then
13:28:46 <Longshot> I would literally be out of a job if i ever developed lung issues haha
13:28:48 <Steven> indeed
13:29:08 <Steven> i have this spereva stuff for when i have a really bad day like today
13:29:23 <Blasticka> hey brunius, it's kind of last chance time. any hope you would GM for us today?
13:29:24 <Mekkis> see you guys in about 8 hours.
13:29:33 <Blasticka> alright mekkis safe flights!
13:29:35 <Steven> i just dotn want to lose my breathe from having to talk a bunch and be unable to get it back
15:01:14 <Steven> ugh.... feel like shit today.
15:13:14 <Yiroep> :(
16:36:17 <andrey> rules question: do you need a free hand to cast spells?
16:36:57 <andrey> for example, can you cast spells while doing a handstand?
16:37:14 <andrey> or wielding a shield and weapon?
16:39:29 <Yiroep> The impression I've always gotten is: If you are weilding a weapon or shield in your hand, it can't be used for casting. If you have a buckler or light shield in one hand and a weapon, you can switch your weapon to your shield hand so you can cast with the now free hand.
16:40:35 <andrey> so, you can't cast at all with a heavy shield and weapon?
16:40:51 <andrey> or while doing a handstand?
16:41:46 <Yiroep> There is no rules presedent for a handstand, but I'm inclined to say "no." But as far as heavy shield/weapon, I'd say not. According to the text: "A heavy shield is so heavy that you can't use your shield hand for anything else."
16:42:09 <Ballig> if the spell has a somatic component (most do) you need a free hand or hand-like appendage
16:42:28 <Ballig> unless the spell is modified with the Still Spell metamagic feat
16:43:45 <Yiroep> I haven't had any problems having a light shield or buckler with a weapon and casting....all the GMs I have had are just fine with me switching my weapon freely from those hands so I can cast.
16:44:14 <Ballig> if you cast while using a buckler you lose the AC bonus from the buckler for that round
16:44:56 <Yiroep> Which is why I always change hands. :p
16:45:21 <Ballig> if you wield a weapon in your buckler hand you lose the AC bonus from that buckler for that round
16:45:34 <Yiroep> You can just put it back to the other hand after you're done casting.
16:46:09 <Ballig> you need to remember that all these 'rounds' are actually happening simultaneously. it's not really a matter of you go, and then the kobold goes, and then Fred goes
16:46:26 <Ballig> just because you are no longer wielding the weapon in that hand when your turn is over doesn't mean you should receive the AC bonus that round
16:46:57 <Yiroep> Then it's an advantage to do it with a light shield.
16:47:02 <Yiroep> If you rule it that way.
16:47:38 <Ballig> you grip a light shield with your hand
16:47:42 <Ballig> therefore your hand isn't free
16:47:51 <Yiroep> You put your weapon into that hand, cast, and put the weapon back.
16:47:57 <Ballig> same deal as the buckler
16:51:29 <Longshot> Ello everyone
16:53:07 <Yiroep> Hi.
16:53:43 <Yiroep> The point is to put the weapon in the shield hand so that you can cast.
16:53:57 <Yiroep> And a light shield has no penalty for having a weapon there, and then you put your weapon back after you cast.
16:53:59 <Ballig> I'm aware of the point
16:54:13 <Ballig> there's no penalty for carrying it, but I'd apply a penalty for the distraction involved in swapping hands
16:54:17 <Ballig> in the same way as a buckler
16:54:23 <Longshot> i thought you could only use a buckler if you had something in that hand?
16:54:33 <Ballig> as far as I'm concerned you can't just keep coming up with new ways to get around a rule just because "the rules don't explicitly cover this"
16:54:57 <Longshot> most shields have grips you have to hold on to to keep from dropping a shield
16:55:09 <Longshot> the buckler is teh exception because it is small enough to just strap to your forearm
16:55:32 <Yiroep> Technically, the buckler doesn't have the same penalty, though.
16:55:32 <Ballig> that doesn't mean that you keep the AC bonus for the round when you are swapping weapons over into that hand
16:55:53 <Yiroep> At the end of your turn, it's not in your buckler hand.
16:56:06 <Ballig> as I said, it's not a matter of everything happening in turns
16:56:10 <Ballig> it's actually happening simultaneously
16:56:11 <Yiroep> If you want things fluid, then there must be a limit drawn in the rules about how much you can switch from your hands.
16:56:12 <Longshot> that seems impossible to have a shield AND a weapon on the same arm/hand unless its a buckler
16:56:20 <Yiroep> Otherwise, what about two-handed weapon?
16:56:20 <Ballig> so while people are trying to hit you, you're swapping weapons over into your shield hand
16:56:25 <Ballig> even if you swap them back by the end of your turn
16:56:38 <Yiroep> Cause you would have to have the exact same ruling for two-handed weapons.
16:56:51 <Ballig> most two-handed weapons can be held in one hand
16:56:53 <Ballig> just not wielded in one hand
16:56:59 <Ballig> e.g. you hold a quarterstaff in one hand and use the other hand to cast
16:57:05 <Ballig> for that round you can't make attacks of opportunity
16:57:23 <Yiroep> That's no where in the rules.
16:57:32 <Ballig> that's what the GM is for
16:58:15 <Yiroep> I would say that using a "lack of a ruling" as evidence that a ruling should exist outside of what the normal rules allow is going against PFS.
16:58:52 <Yiroep> For a home game, I agree.
16:59:03 <Ballig> nope
16:59:06 <Ballig> that's what the GM is for
16:59:16 <Ballig> you can't rules lawyer just because the rules don't explicitly cover every specific scenario
16:59:25 <Ballig> they call it "table variation"
17:00:07 <Yiroep> But if an argument is made it should be followed. What happens "on the fly" at a table is different from a preconceived notion.
17:00:20 <Longshot> which is also why you shouldn't ever build characters around a loophole in the rules like that because it is very likely a GM just says no. and then you're screwed.
17:00:41 <Ballig> GMs always know how they're going to rule
17:00:53 <Longshot> there are so many other ways to build characters that don't require having that argument with the GM
17:00:58 <Longshot> just do things that way.
17:01:02 <Longshot> saves everyone some greif.
17:01:06 <Longshot> grief*
17:01:19 <Yiroep> Well, I just know around here all GMs are fine with the ruling I said.
17:01:59 <Yiroep> "around here" = my local area.
17:02:19 <Ballig> that's why it's called table variation
17:06:14 <Yiroep> Also: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2kg80?Lay-on-Hands-with-a-light-shield
17:06:23 <Ballig> lay on hands isn't a spell
17:06:32 <Yiroep> You didn't read the thread.
17:06:37 <Ballig> I sure didn't
17:07:16 <Yiroep> No need to be adversarial.
17:07:45 <Longshot> It's still not an official Errata though
17:09:27 <Ballig> the point is that if you're going to get into long arguments with a GM during a game to allow you to get around rules or do something the GM doesn't think is entirely kosher, you're going to hold the game back
17:09:34 <Ballig> you need to be prepared to accept the GM's ruling
17:09:54 <Yiroep> That's why I'm arguing it now, lol.
17:09:59 <Ballig> there's often time for a small amount of argument if you are quick, or can provide a page number for a rule, or something like that
17:10:04 <Ballig> but after a reasonable amount of argument you need to accept it
17:10:29 <Yiroep> I usually print out my sources when I think something is questionable.
17:10:33 <Yiroep> So that's not the issue here.
17:11:50 <Longshot> My point though is why do questionable stuff at all?
17:12:04 <Longshot> The least arguments possible=most fun possible
17:12:45 <Yiroep> This isn't exactly an "uncommon" situation.
17:12:56 <Yiroep> A cleric wanting to cast in a light shield with a weapon probably comes up a ton.
17:13:03 <Yiroep> That's not even a weird build or anything.
17:13:53 <Longshot> So why would you need to trade hands..?
17:14:08 <Longshot> You can let go of the grip of the shield and do somatic components with that hand can you not?
17:15:13 <Yiroep> The point is that a buckler has specific rules for doing so but a light shield does not.
17:15:19 <Yiroep> Shields are always a point of contention, though.
17:15:34 <Yiroep> And whether your hand is free or not.
17:15:48 <Longshot> so just take a heavy shield so the problem doesn't come up
17:16:02 <Longshot> or a buckler since its essentially the same thing
17:16:03 <Yiroep> Then you can't cast, lol.
17:16:05 <Longshot> or animate your shield
17:16:23 <Longshot> so you drop your mace to cast and pick it back up next turn then
17:16:33 <Yiroep> Well, there's always a weapon cord.
17:16:46 <Longshot> yup, or weapon cord
17:16:51 <Yiroep> But even so, I don't see how that's any different from switching your hands.
17:17:00 <Yiroep> It technically even requires more time.
17:21:04 <Longshot> because an FAQ from 3.5 said it was a move action. and since pathfinder is based off of 3.5 i would say its a move action.
17:21:44 <Longshot> I mean, drawing is a move action. And switching hands takes just as much time, especially if you're trying to get it around a shield without dropping the weapon or anything
17:23:15 <Yiroep> Yet again, James Jacobs said it's a free action.
17:23:23 <Yiroep> Ugh, I wish an official ruling would be made.
17:23:58 <Yiroep> "if you're wielding a 2H weapon, you can let go of the weapon with one of your hands (free action). You're now only carrying the 2H weapon, not wielding it, but your free hand is now free to attack or help cast spells or whatever. And at the end of your turn if your free hand remains free you'd be able to return it to grip your 2H weapon so you can still threaten foes and take attacks of opportunity if you want."
17:24:07 <Yiroep> But again, it's not official.
17:25:27 <Longshot> which means its up to the GMs
17:25:52 <Longshot> meaning it seems to be best to play casters without shields
17:26:39 <Yiroep> Well, in GA people take what on what Paizo staff says...so take that as you will.
17:29:22 <Yiroep> Also, many many people on the forums.
17:30:56 <Longshot> alot of the guys i play with in GA have actually never been on the forums/ couldn't care less about the forums
17:31:18 <Yiroep> Have you been outside of Dallas?
17:32:22 <Longshot> why would that matter? All I'm saying is that was a very inaccurate, sweeping generalization.
17:32:54 <Yiroep> Ok, ok.
17:32:57 <Yiroep> Atlanta, not GA.
17:33:06 <Yiroep> I stand corrected
17:35:40 <Longshot> sdgoin I've been trying to find this indie game my friend was telling me about, something with master in the title. Only have 2 stats and the rolls/rules are super minimal, something about minions and blah blah blah, does anyone have any idea of what the actual title to this game is?
17:36:46 <Longshot> FOUND IT
17:36:48 <Longshot> never mind
17:36:56 <Longshot> My life with master. Looks really interesting.
20:17:29 <Longshot> hope this game happens tomorrow
20:17:40 <Longshot> so far only two people signed up besides the GM
20:37:10 <Mekkis> !spell share shape
20:37:14 <diebot> Mekkis, SHARE SHAPE transmutation (polymorph[]) ranger 3, sorcerer/ wizard 4, witch 4 1 standard action Range: personal Comp: V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume) Duration: 1 hour/level (D) Save: SR:
20:37:14 <diebot> This spell functions as beast shape II, but you may only assume the form of an animal of a type identical to your animal companion or familiar. If your familiar or companion is not an animal, this spell has no effect.
20:38:50 <Longshot> hey, nifty spell. maybe as a scroll for me since i plan on taking a horse. would then be two mounts for other people to ride
20:39:49 <Mekkis> 4th level
20:40:42 <Longshot> so not really useful at all then unless you've got something along the lines of a wolf or improved familiar or something
20:47:15 <Longshot> sup blasticka
20:47:29 <Longshot> shame you can't join us tomorrow
20:53:46 <Blasticka> yeah I know
20:53:52 <Blasticka> plans changed after I had signed up
20:54:13 <Blasticka> we have to be in barker at 1pm so have to leave the house around 12:15
20:54:23 <Blasticka> tried to push everything back but it just wasn't gonna happen
20:54:55 <Blasticka> if they were able to change it to today I could play
20:57:39 <Longshot> nah, but if we can get a group of people i'd be up for a game tonight/today for you guys
20:58:23 <Blasticka> well first thing is to find a gm and 2 more players probably
20:58:46 <Longshot> not enough people online i don't think
20:58:46 <Mekkis> get me internet and I will.
20:58:58 <Longshot> give it an hour or so, if people see this and are interested, they'll pipe up
20:59:04 <Blasticka> are you still over seas?
20:59:06 <Longshot> give you internet?
20:59:14 <Longshot> what do you mean Mekkis?
20:59:15 <Mekkis> yeah. Hard to GM a game on a plane
20:59:46 <Longshot> how are you on IRC on a plane...?
20:59:57 <Mekkis> I'm not on a plane yet
21:00:10 <Blasticka> when is your flight?
21:00:51 <Blasticka> maybe you could go to an internet cafe. or mcdonalds
21:00:54 <Blasticka> lol
21:02:21 <Longshot> also, i've been meaning to ask this, why are there always two Mekkis'? You and mekkisScreen
21:02:38 <Mekkis> because I'm just that good
21:03:36 <Longshot> ok haha
21:06:42 <Mekkis> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGNU_Screen&ei=5QPBUZCPFumg0QWWvID4Cg&usg=AFQjCNHHVx345y1nQ-PBjXLRVtDjIXCy1A&bvm=bv.47883778,d.d2k
21:09:16 <Longshot> yeah, wikipedia didn't help to clarify much in this circumstance
21:09:37 <Longshot> mostly because I'd have to look up about 10 other definitions to know what the heck wikipedia is talking about haha
21:13:27 <Blasticka> sure would be nice to get a game in today. I won't get my hopes up too high though.
21:13:33 <Blasticka> :-P
21:13:54 <Longshot> well if im gonna join in, it's gonna have to start within the next hour or two
21:14:19 <Blasticka> mekkis, what is your window of availability to GM if any?
21:14:43 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
21:15:01 <Blasticka> I mean, if we started in the next two hours, could you GM without missing your flight or something
21:15:59 <Blasticka> hello lion. :-)
21:16:09 <Longshot> ello mate :)
21:18:46 <Longshot> g'bye mate
21:18:48 <Longshot> haha
21:18:58 <Blasticka> I think he is still here
21:19:09 <Blasticka> lurking in the shadows! :-O
21:19:56 <Longshot> oh, cuz it came up on my feed that he quit. somethin bout a ping timeout.
21:20:22 <Longshot> oh wait, 2 different people. one's a lion, one's not haha
21:22:15 <Blasticka> my wife sounds interested in playing with us today
21:22:34 <Longshot> has she ever played before?
21:22:36 <Blasticka> I'd have to roll for her cause she can't get into this chat thingy, something about pop up blockers I think
21:22:58 <Longshot> go ahead and get her registered everywhere
21:23:00 <Blasticka> she has researched it cause we are planning a local game, but no this would be her first game.
21:23:17 <Blasticka> she's pretty quick on the uptake with stuff like this though
21:23:18 <Longshot> even if we don't get to play a game, having her registered here and at paizo wouldn't be a bad thing
21:28:38 <Blasticka> well, it won't let me click enter to finish the registering process. her username is allengirl
21:33:23 <Longshot> on here or at paizo?
21:33:24 <Blasticka> alright she's in!
21:33:29 <Longshot> cool
21:33:36 <Longshot> make sure she's registered at paizo too
21:33:50 <Longshot> and you can go ahead and get a character in the system for her here too
21:37:26 <Longshot> also, Avatar or Mekkis, the game I played here with my bard got registered on Paizo's website under my ranger. what should i do about that?
21:58:57 <Brunius|M> Contact the GM, get the pfs number corrected
22:01:12 <Blasticka> okay got her registered. working on making her character
22:01:17 <Blasticka> do we have a gm yet?
22:02:33 <Longshot> nope
22:02:40 <Longshot> we don't have a 4th player either
22:02:55 <Longshot> what character is she making?
22:03:16 <Blasticka> a dwarven fighter
22:03:18 <Longshot> for her first character i'd probably stick to something easy, like a dual wielding fighter or something
22:03:23 <Longshot> yup, sounds good
22:03:31 <Longshot> why dwarf and not human?
22:03:31 <Blasticka> I think she wants to go 2 handed
22:03:45 <Blasticka> she likes dwarves, and darkvision
22:04:26 <Blasticka> steven would play with us
22:04:35 <Blasticka> he needs one more game to level up his character
22:06:57 <Longshot> i haven't heard from him though
22:07:00 <Longshot> thinks he's AFK
22:13:58 <Longshot> whats your character blasty?
22:22:16 <Longshot> anyone a soccer/football fan? (I don't know if they call it football in aus or not)
22:31:35 <Brunius|M> Soccer, generally. We've got our own stupid variant on rugby called football
22:32:06 <Brunius|M> All I know is that the team is apparently going to Brazil
22:34:10 <Longshot> yup along with iran korea and japan for asia
22:34:34 <Longshot> and either jordan or ubekistan
22:35:27 <Longshot> although im surprised aus is asia and not oceana
22:36:10 <Brunius|M> There's a separate Oceania category?
22:37:04 <Brunius|M> You'd just have new Zealand and a couple of small islands, wouldn't you?
22:37:07 <Blasticka> my character is a lvl 1 sorc
22:37:29 <Longshot> yeah like tahiti and new zealand and samoa and stuff
22:37:33 <Blasticka> quick question, how do I calculate my wife's initiative for a fighter?
22:37:40 <Longshot> fiji, new guinea
22:38:32 <Longshot> oceania only gets half a spot at the world cup though haha
22:38:46 <Brunius|M> Blasticka, it's dex+misc
22:39:11 <Brunius|M> Misc can take the form of a feat, trait, or maybe magic item
22:39:15 <Longshot> meaning they essentially have to play a final qualifyer against north america who has i think 3.5 spots.
22:39:40 <Longshot> do you want to play a game Brunius?
22:39:44 <Brunius|M> So the area with two nations gets 3.5 spots?
22:39:57 <Brunius|M> Not just now, I'm still at the bus stop
22:39:57 <Longshot> nooooo North American gets 3.5 spots
22:40:08 <Longshot> oceania only gets half a spot
22:40:14 <Brunius|M> Although this is my bus
22:40:28 <Brunius|M> Doesn't north America only have two nations in it
22:40:41 <Longshot> its actually north america+central america+carribean isles
22:41:05 <Brunius|M> That makes more sense
22:42:58 <Longshot> the possibilities are USA, Honduras, Mexico, Jamaica, Panama, and Costa Rica
22:43:23 <Blasticka> Brunius, how long til you will be able to play? we are trying to rustle up a gm for my wife's first game if it works out today
22:43:23 <Longshot> Top three go through, fourth place plays 2 games against New Zealand who won Oceania.
22:52:14 <Longshot> even if he agreed to play, we' still need a GM
22:54:15 <Mekkis> my flight leaves in less than two hours
22:55:45 <Longshot> exactly why i said we'd need a gm haha
22:55:59 <Longshot> we have issued finishing a game in 6 hours, let alone 2.. haha
22:57:00 <Blasticka> avatar never does pickup games
22:57:15 <Blasticka> so we'd have to get... Steven!
22:57:17 <Mekkis> Avatar's at work, isn't he?
22:57:26 <Blasticka> probably
22:57:38 <Mekkis> you might have a chance with steven. He will never run a pickup game if I'm playing in it
22:58:02 <Blasticka> are you guys arch nemesis or something?
22:58:04 <Blasticka> :-P
22:58:08 <Mekkis> not really
22:58:14 <Mekkis> we just have some disagreements
22:59:55 <Blasticka> how close are we to your deadline longshot?
23:01:17 <Longshot> we'd have to start pretty soon mate
23:14:11 <Blasticka> brb
23:14:38 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuup
23:14:52 <Longshot> STEVEN :)
23:14:57 <Longshot> we were just talking about you
23:15:01 <Steven> i read
23:15:05 <Steven> and no i wont GM
23:15:17 <Longshot> are you up for playing though if someone GMs?
23:15:21 <Steven> im having major alergy problems and problem breathing
23:15:54 <Steven> and mekkis i didnt know we had disagreements
23:16:12 <Longshot> go to a farmers market sometime and get local honey
23:16:13 <Mekkis> oh, we argue enough about it
23:16:19 <Longshot> and eat a tablespoon of it everyday
23:16:42 <Longshot> your body will start to build up resistances to many allergens
23:17:04 <Longshot> has to be local though to combat the local allergens
23:17:07 <Mekkis> the Singapore players got a bit of a shock - it seems that they have a culture of uptiering, combined with a lack of exposure to Season Four.
23:17:10 <Steven> enough about what...
23:17:21 <Mekkis> what constitutes cheese
23:17:23 <Steven> that sounds like a horrible combination.
23:17:34 <Steven> oh that, yeah you just dont know what your talking about.
23:17:46 <Mekkis> yeah. A gun got Shattered last Friday.
23:17:56 <Mekkis> Two deaths yesterday
23:18:03 <Steven> fuck em up!
23:18:23 <Steven> i effectively TPK'd a table yesterday
23:18:26 <Steven> but i was nice.
23:18:27 <Mekkis> 4x level 2 + 3x level 4 decided to play up.
23:18:35 <Brunius_> uh
23:18:43 <Steven> and didnt coup them all
23:19:11 <Steven> because most of them had <3 games in experiance
23:19:20 <Blasticka> heya steven!
23:19:27 <Blasticka> just the guy we wanted to see
23:19:37 <Longshot> oh dudes, if either of you ever get the chance to kill one of my characters DO it
23:19:38 <Longshot> haha
23:19:39 <Steven> im not the steve your looking for
23:19:40 <Brunius_> Mekkis, what tier was the scenario
23:19:47 <Blasticka> my wife is alllllmmmost done rolling up her fighter
23:19:59 <Blasticka> we need a gm. :-) pretty pleaaaassse?
23:20:10 <Longshot> he won't GM
23:20:14 <Blasticka> awww
23:20:15 <Steven> impossible, im having problems breathing today
23:20:16 <Longshot> he's having medical issues
23:20:20 <Blasticka> oh
23:20:27 <Blasticka> I'll send a prayer your way
23:20:38 <Steven> if you want to simulate what it feels like
23:20:46 <Steven> hold your breath for about 45second
23:20:55 <Steven> let it out
23:20:57 <Longshot> is it chesty or sinusy?
23:21:04 <Steven> take a breath and hold it for another 45 seconds
23:21:20 <Steven> then you're allowed to go back to breathing 'normally'
23:21:54 <Longshot> haha i swim. 45 seconds is nothingggg :P
23:22:02 <Steven> okay... for you
23:22:09 <Steven> hold breath for 1minute 15 seconds
23:22:12 <Steven> one breath
23:22:12 <Longshot> but i get what you mean
23:22:16 <Brunius_> Asthma...I've got my practice in
23:22:17 <Steven> 1minute 15second
23:22:18 <Brunius_> :P
23:22:25 <Blasticka> I can hold mine for a bout 60 seconds and then it hurts
23:22:37 <Steven> i wish i had my lungs from when i was a kid
23:22:50 <Steven> but i had pnemonia when i was about 14-15 years old
23:32:36 <***> Buffer Playback...
23:32:39 <***> Playback Complete.
23:32:53 <Mekkis> this time I won't have a freight train in the same room
23:32:58 Allengirl ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
23:33:00 <blasticka> :-)
23:33:15 <blasticka> can you look at allengirl's sheet and see if there are any problems?
23:33:21 <Mekkis> it should be legal to slit someone's throat if they do that :)
23:33:28 <Mekkis> what's the character name?
23:33:32 <Allengirl> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=769
23:33:43 <blasticka> she hasn't registered it with paizo yet
23:34:04 <Allengirl> I'm changing the name, since I changed the race.
23:34:55 <Allengirl> I haven't got a clue what a good name for an aasimar is though
23:35:13 <Mekkis> did Steven talk you into that?
23:35:42 <Allengirl> I am sure he would never do such a thing.
23:35:53 <Allengirl> :P
23:35:56 <Mekkis> then you haven't been paying attention!
23:36:26 <Allengirl> He killed my first character I guilted him into helping.
23:36:28 <Mekkis> he does it to make you take races that require ownership of two books to legally play, thus giving money to Paizo :)
23:37:12 <Allengirl> Uh huh.
23:37:20 <Allengirl> I don't know anything about that.
23:38:31 <Allengirl> I had a dwarf fighter who got eaten by some nasty ghouls.
23:38:33 <Allengirl> Darn his dice throws.
23:41:01 <Mekkis> Basically, to play a Garuda-blooded asimaar, you need to own Bestiary and Blood of Angels... so it's a significant monetary investment.
23:41:26 <blasticka> so you are saying, that we can't let her use this character as is tomorrow morning?
23:41:41 <Mekkis> I'm not saying that
23:42:10 <Mekkis> I'm saying that you should take that into account when building a character.
23:43:21 <Mekkis> Actual /Issues/ with the sheet: well, you should have "+1" next to Wild Empathy - maybe even put it in the skills section...
23:43:28 <Mekkis> and you need another language.
23:43:54 <Allengirl> So to play it, I need to purchase a couple of books?
23:44:18 <Mekkis> to legally play it, yeah. Most people will generally turn a blind eye...
23:45:00 <Allengirl> Back to the drawing board.
23:45:06 <Mekkis> But the big thing is that since it IS a roleplaying game, without the books you won't know why a Garuda-blooded asimaar is stomping around in Golarion
23:45:11 <Mekkis> It breaks verisimilitude.
23:46:13 <Allengirl> Its okay I will start again with something else tomorrow morning. Its late now and I'm to tired to start again effectively.
23:47:30 <Mekkis> you could, for instance, do an elf with 14/18/12/12/12/8
23:47:35 <Mekkis> which would be very similar
23:48:01 <Mekkis> or a human with 14/18/14/10/12/8
23:48:30 <Mekkis> But why would a garuda-blooded asimaar decide to start hunting down humans?
23:50:31 <Allengirl> Because her parents were killed by humans and she was raised by orcs who tend not to like humans anyway.
23:50:58 <Mekkis> why wouldn't the orcs just eat her?
23:51:00 <Allengirl> I can come up with roleplay reasons for anything. But you're right I don't know anything about the advanced pathfinder races.
23:51:49 <Mekkis> a non-human core race is easy. You select it, select somewhere they came from and are raised, and you're good to go.
23:51:58 <Mekkis> Human is almost as easy
23:52:03 <Allengirl> Because they were scientists, and were fascinated by something they'd never seen before.
23:52:07 <Mekkis> select human, choose a region and read about it.
23:52:17 <Mekkis> You're not describing the Orcs of Golarion.
23:52:31 <Allengirl> Yep, yep. Thats why I went with a Dwarf for my first character.
23:52:47 <Allengirl> Unless these ones were special too.
23:53:24 <Allengirl> I like to argue, and I get worse when it becomes illogical.
23:53:45 <Allengirl> Ask my husband. :D
23:54:09 <blasticka> she's a debater for the sake of the debate
23:54:58 <Allengirl> Anyway. I'll start again with a human bard or something.
23:55:06 <Allengirl> Thanks for the advice.
23:55:24 <Mekkis> I hope I didn't just confuse you more
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23:58:17 <Mekkis> I hope I didn't just confuse you more
23:59:59 <Allengirl> No, no worries it makes it easier to just stick to the basic races actually
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