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20:25 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Jun 10 12:54:12 2013
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22:06 <Longshot> what are the best spells to heighten?
30:26 <Longshot> no one had a charisma over 12 so we had a hard time finding information
31:18 <Longshot> it was my ranger, a guy with a musket, a rogue/inquisitor who eventually wants to become a shadowdancer, a monk, and a rogue
31:37 <Longshot> so no face or caster.
32:33 <Steven> so out of 5 people nobody could roll about a 15 to get the harbormaster keeps a record?
33:15 <Longshot> the harbormaster told us that he knew boat names and not people names, and many ships had come in from the north.
33:41 <Longshot> somebody finally was able to find out some northern guys had rented a warehouse from a rando on the street
33:45 <Steven> not according to the scenario...
34:10 <Longshot> then someone must have rolled a 1 or something to turn off the harbormaster or something.
34:16 <Steven> meh.... 
34:24 <Steven> just make sure you never heighten the sexual tension
34:25 <Longshot> because he wasn't very open about things, even with gold involved
34:41 <Longshot> that's my favorite spell to heighten.
34:57 <Steven> yeah, musta been a horrible roll
35:00 <Longshot> and it's going to be the same group of people every week, I'm kinda tempted to roll up a bard even though I know next to nothing about then
35:27 <Longshot> the game i played yesterday actually had the two female characters bluffing to offer a viking guard a threesome to get him to abandon his post.
35:45 <Steven> dont need to roll up a bard, just sink a skill point or two into diplo
37:00 <Steven> you're a ranger, so you get.... i want to say 6+int
37:04 <Steven> imma go check
37:23 <Longshot> them*
37:23 <Longshot> Also, the other players were kinda timid about asking question and stuff. I was the only one actually talking much and my diplo and bluff is horrible
37:23 <Longshot> I think they just wanted to do combat for the most part
37:27 <Longshot> yeah, it 6
38:32 <Steven> you didnt dump cha did you?
39:42 <Longshot> I almost did. I decided to keep it at 10 though
39:52 <Longshot> so no mods either way
40:14 <Steven> well, thats a good thing at least
40:19 <Steven> yeah just sink skill points into it
40:31 <Longshot> I might still make a bard. Use krillic here and the bard there.
40:46 <Steven> what level is your char?
40:51 <Longshot> 1
40:52 <Longshot> haha
40:59 <Steven> so, still eligible for the rebuild
40:59 <Longshot> with 2 xp
41:11 <Longshot> Thats true. 
41:15 <Longshot> Could just rebuild.
41:40 <Longshot> And then build a ranger later if i feel so inclined.
42:08 <Longshot> I just really need to research bards now. I know next to nothing about them except they are good at buffs and enchantments
42:23 <Steven> and other things
43:07 <Longshot> I might not even optimize this guy for combat, which goes against every fiber of my cheesy soul, but ah well.
43:10 <Longshot> :P
43:23 <Steven> yay another cheeser!
43:30 <Steven> i've been so lonely
43:51 <Longshot> I might cheese, but I still love the roleplaying aspect.
44:52 <Steven> lets take this to private chat so we dont have to deal with certain peoples aversion to optimization
45:00 <Longshot> haha ok
45:47 <Longshot> it says i can't message you?
46:02 <Longshot> because you have set mode to +R or some business like that
46:12 <Steven> ah... kk
46:54 <Longshot> whoa
47:01 <Longshot> no idea what all that means
47:36 <Longshot> did the red text come up for everyone or just me?
47:48 <Steven> just you, im changing my mode now
47:57 <Steven> just have to remember how to do it.
48:20 <Longshot> REGISTER <081592k> <[email protected]>
48:34 <Longshot> well that seems to have not worked
48:50 <Steven> now you type /identify password
49:05 <Longshot> oh, I see why, im not supposed to use the brackets
50:38 <Brunius> naturally
53:13 <Longshot> they rolled a 20 with the bluff modifier.
53:24 <Longshot> Guard with no sense motive rolled a nat 20.
55:13 <Steven> well... that was tasty
55:39 <Longshot> internet crahed
56:06 <Longshot> Question: Does mithral medium armor count as light armor for proficiency? What about for bards who can cast with light armor on?
56:25 <Steven> see my message?
56:27 <Longshot> what'd i miss beside my awkward flailing about trying to set a password?
56:47 <Longshot> yeah
56:50 <Longshot> see mine?
56:53 <Longshot> nvm, found the answer myself
59:34 <Brunius> It doesn't count, for either, I think
04:17 <Longshot> nah, counts for everything EXCEPT proficiency
04:25 <Longshot> so it includes the bard casting ability
23:25 <Mekkis> this is the largest Regular Latte I've seen...
24:27 <Brunius> Ask them what size a large is
24:34 <Brunius> Maybe they just like people of your ethnicity
24:44 <Brunius> Maybe they're charmed by your accent
25:14 <Mekkis> longshot: if you're looking for armour for a character not proficient in medium armour who can ignore ASF for light armour, you should look at &elven chain
25:22 <diebot> ELVEN CHAIN [no aura (nonmagical)] CL:0 armor 5150gp, 20lb
25:22 <diebot> This extremely light chainmail is made of very fine mithral links. This armor is treated, in all ways, like light armor, including when determining proficiency. The armor has an arcane spell failure chance of 20%, a maximum Dexterity bonus of +4, and an armor check penalty of -2. Source: PFRPG Core
25:57 <Mekkis> the aussie accent, or the wallet with cash in it?
34:58 <Brunius> From what I hear Australians are actually pretty popular overseas
35:00 <Brunius> Dunno why
35:41 <Longshot> and that means i could take another trait too. Because i was going to do armor master and masterwork along with mithral to get a -5 down to 0 so i didn't have to use a feat on medium armor
35:56 <Foose> hi
36:56 <Brunius> Hi
37:17 <Foose> hello
37:26 <Brunius> How's it goin?
37:44 <Foose> pretty good i have a rules question if youll hear it
37:50 <Mekkis> sure
38:06 <Mekkis> does it involve Darkness and light spells?
38:11 <Foose> is a good aligned cleric allowed to cast "cause fear"?
38:14 <Brunius> That was gonna be my guess too
38:23 <Mekkis> !spell cause fear
38:27 <diebot> Mekkis, CAUSE FEAR necromancy ([emotion, fear, mind-affecting]) antipaladin 1, bard 1, cleric/oracle 1, inquisitor 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature with 5 or fewer HD Comp: V, S Duration: 1d4 rounds or 1 round; see text Save: Will partial SR:yes
38:27 <diebot> The affected creature becomes frightened. If the subject succeeds on a Will save, it is shaken for 1 round. Creatures with 6 or more HD are immune to this effect. Cause fear counters and dispels remove fear.
38:35 <Mekkis> sure
38:48 <Mekkis> it doesn't have the evil subtype
38:59 <Foose> okay cool i wasnt sure if necromancy counted as evil
39:06 <Mekkis> nope
39:17 <Foose> awesome
39:22 <Mekkis> some necromancy, like Create Undead is
39:29 <Steven> we should play us a game
39:41 <Foose> !spell create undead
39:41 <diebot> Foose, CREATE UNDEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric 6, sorcerer/wizard 6 1 hour Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one corpse Comp: V, S, M (a clay pot filled with grave dirt and an onyx gem worth at least 50 gp per HD of the undead to be created) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:no
39:41 <diebot> A much more potent spell than animate dead, this evil spell allows you to infuse a dead body with negative energy to create more powerful sorts of undead: ghouls, ghasts, mummies, and mohrgs. The type or types of undead you can create are based on your caster level, as shown on the table below. Caster Level Undead Created 11th or lower Ghoul
39:41 <diebot> 12th-14th Ghast 15th-17th Mummy 18th or higher Mohrg You may create less powerful undead than your level would allow if you choose. Created undead are not automatically under the control of their animator. If you are capable of commanding undead, you may attempt to command the undead creature as it forms. This spell must be cast at night.
39:50 <Mekkis> but it will have the school like "Necromancy [evil]
39:51 <Foose> i see
40:15 <Longshot> shame performance artist doesn't give +5 when using performance to make money anymore.
40:32 <Mekkis> dayjobs are overrated 
40:44 <Steven> i wanna play honey some more
40:53 <Steven> just so i can cast waves of Ecstacy on people
41:02 <Longshot> for a bard who pumps max into a perform skill?
41:14 <Longshot> that +5 would make dayjobs not overrated
42:27 <Foose> i never liked players using perform to make money : /
43:03 <Longshot> hey, im a real life performer, watch it :P
43:06 <Longshot> we gotta make moneys too!
43:15 <Mekkis> for a character who is on slow progression, has +30 to diplomacy, and can use diplomacy for dayjobs
43:43 <Longshot> wait, what? how can you use diplomacy for dayjobs?
44:07 <Mekkis> yeah
44:13 <Mekkis> caravan vanity
44:35 <Longshot> and how'd you get it to +30?
44:41 <Brunius> shenanigans
44:42 <Longshot> thats awesome, what level?
44:48 <Mekkis> 2
45:16 <Longshot> What class?
45:36 <Foose> one of my players today jumped from a balcony unto a picnic table, failed her acrobatics check and landed in a firepit :P
46:05 <Mekkis> did she go Foose?
46:18 <Foose> no she was on fire
47:31 <Longshot> What are the benefits to different advancement rates?
47:45 <Longshot> Is it just the obvious more money per level?
47:58 <Foose> makes the campaign last longer
48:15 <Foose> keeps primary from reaching the "ivory tower" too soon
48:23 <Foose> er primary casters*
48:55 <Longshot> So how did you get your diplo so high mekkis?
49:00 <Mekkis> Longshot, yeah, but it's not enough money per level to care about
49:25 <Mekkis> longshot: start with synthesist summoner, add cheese
49:50 <Longshot> is there any way to do it and it be PFS legal? 
50:17 <Mekkis> not sure. Doesn't interest me anymore 
50:37 <Mekkis> (when I had that character, it was PFS-legal)
53:44 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20
53:45 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
03:32 <Longshot> Mekkis, did your character have high bluff or intimidate as well or just diplo?
06:09 <Wrothmonk> blarg, I look away for half an hour and now I need to read a ton of chat.
06:50 <Brunius> You know how to solve this right
06:56 <Brunius> Don't look away for half an hour
09:20 <Wrothmonk> done
10:33 <Wrothmonk> nothing of interest, which is surprising.
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13:45 <Mekkis> most of the stuff we type interests wrothmonk
14:09 <Foose> can you guys recommend any site for online character sheets?
14:25 <Wrothmonk> myth weavers is good.
14:27 <Mekkis> nl.ti4200.info/profiler
14:41 <Mekkis> it's like mythweavers, but better
14:55 <Foose> do my players have to sign up for either of those to view their character sheets?
15:08 <Mekkis> yes
18:21 <Wrothmonk> well to view them no, to edit them yes.
20:22 <Mekkis> you want a character sheet with version control
20:46 <Avatar> what's going on now
21:59 <Mekkis> I'm plotting to kill you all
22:07 <Mekkis> nothing new
22:24 <Avatar> the terms of use link on your profiler site doesn't work
22:43 <Mekkis> so ignore them
22:44 <Mekkis> I do
22:52 <Mekkis> and it's my site.
23:19 <Avatar> why is it there if you want us to ignore them
23:31 <Mekkis> because I'm lazy
23:46 <Steven> freakin bored
24:11 <Steven> if people were around
24:20 <Steven> we could be playin a game!
25:13 <Avatar> which sheet are you meant to use for PFS
25:16 <Avatar> or PF
25:29 <Mekkis> 3e profiler standard
26:31 <Longshot> i keep disconnecting. i don't know whats up with my internet tonight
29:04 <Avatar> looks pretty good
31:15 <Longshot> Bah. I can't get above +15 on diplo for level 1 and can only get +18 at level 2..
31:18 <Longshot> no where close to +30
31:26 <Longshot> :/
31:36 <Brunius> He was getting like +10 from his eidolon
32:07 <Steven> after about +20 theres really no need to put more into it.
32:34 <Steven> and with +15 you will succeed about 75% of the time
33:08 <Wrothmonk> I've been tempted recently to see how high I could get stealth. I'm thinking I could possibly get it about that high.
33:21 <Wrothmonk> which would be awesome to play with the new erreta.
33:25 <Brunius> !findchar Kaleb
33:29 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Kaleb, number: 229( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=229 )
33:31 <Brunius> !history 229
33:34 <diebot> Brunius, r3 | initial load | 2012-07-21 00:05:09 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
33:47 <Brunius> !diff 229 3
33:49 <Brunius> !diff 229 r3
33:50 <diebot> Brunius, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/229r3.txt
34:17 <Brunius> Hmm, no original save
34:25 <Brunius> Anyway, at level 1 Kaleb had like +16 to stealth
34:30 <Wrothmonk> nice.
35:24 <Steven> not hard to get really high in any one skill
35:49 <Longshot> can you diplo an enemy? like an aggressive enemy?
35:49 <Mekkis> especially if that skill is stealth
35:54 <Mekkis> or fly
36:06 <Mekkis> not really, no
36:14 <Mekkis> needs magic to work
36:21 <Wrothmonk> Think I could get it higher by dipping illusionist wizard with a cat familiar?
36:42 <Wrothmonk> oh wait nvm...
36:50 <Wrothmonk> I thought that school added a bonus to stealth.
37:20 <Wrothmonk> apparently its just spells.
37:20 <Mekkis> look at Defunct, his stealth is generally in to 50s
38:20 <Steven> which only really helps if you are going up against nagas
38:53 <Mekkis> ???
40:35 <Steven> nagas commonly have rediculously high perceptions
40:51 <Mekkis> ah
53:03 <Mekkis> diplomacy
53:20 <Wrothmonk> intimidate.
53:26 <Longshot> bluff.
53:28 <Longshot> say what?
53:31 <Avatar> intimidate and bluff are specialised sorts of chatter
53:40 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk only says that because he doesn't know what he's talking about
53:59 <Avatar> if you're good at it, intimidate and bluff can work for you better
54:14 <Longshot> i like the sound of bluff in certain situations though. "If you come within 5 feet of me, you will spontaneously combust and die"
54:21 <Avatar> it can be tough to intimidate or bluff someone into helping you as compared to just being diplomatic
54:32 <Wrothmonk> I cant say I disagree. I generally have no clue what I'm talking about. Also all of these sentences are false including this one.
54:50 <Avatar> if you've rolled initiative, your chances of using diplomacy are shot
55:01 <Avatar> not nil, but they're not good
55:48 <Wrothmonk> I can think of a few situations that it was successful. However all of the npcs were near death and wanted to live so...
56:30 <Longshot> i think i want to make a pacifist character.
56:33 <Longshot> As an alt.
57:00 <Avatar> how is that going to work
57:11 <Wrothmonk> it wont? :P
57:12 <Mekkis> an alt?
57:20 <Longshot> alternate character
57:29 <Longshot> lots of party buffs
58:01 <Mekkis> I did that in Avatar's campaign
58:23 <Avatar> did you
58:29 <Longshot> like a bard with flagbearer
58:41 <Mekkis> yeah
58:46 <Mekkis> Mrivan
58:49 <Longshot> and i can just use a longspear to aid other peoples attacks and give them +2 to hit instead of actually attacking myself
58:56 <Avatar> what, for one session
59:11 <Mekkis> no.
59:23 <Avatar> mrivan was right at the beginning 
59:28 <Mekkis> he was a pacifist until the end!
59:39 <Avatar> of the 50 or so sessions we played, he played maybe one
59:50 <Mekkis> closer to ten
59:52 <Avatar> you're such a pacifist
00:08 <Mekkis> he martyred himself!
00:37 <Avatar> while your next character killed a party member in his sleep
00:46 <Mekkis> of course
00:51 <Avatar> I guess in comparison he was a pacifist
01:06 <Mekkis> when my character dies, I don't just change the name and reintroduce him
01:42 <Longshot> If my character died, they'd be dead. I would try to avoid that concept for a good while afterwards
01:54 <Longshot> I almost died last game. Got to -7 HP on con 12
02:24 <Avatar> at least you didn't have con 10
03:02 <Longshot> I think i'm going to try to always have at least Con 12
03:21 <Longshot> Con doesn't get enough love.
03:41 <Avatar> rule of  thumb: ideally con 14, bare minimum con 12
03:56 <Longshot> There's literally at least one build out there that maximizes every stat except for con.
03:58 <Mekkis> that's going a bit far
04:22 <Longshot> anyone with Con 18 would be laughed at.
04:32 <Wrothmonk> I wonder how long a character would last with a con of 7...
04:35 <Mekkis> Longshot, stop reading up about "BUILDS". it does NOT make you a better player
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04:51 <Mekkis> Ulzef's WotW character has 6 con
04:56 <Mekkis> he's still alive
05:24 <Avatar> your paladin had 10 con and died in the first game
05:28 <Avatar> by hitting -10 hp
05:39 <Longshot> No, i know, i know. 
06:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, I know
06:04 <Longshot> But it's the only way I've learned about several feats and feat combos so it's been worth it
06:19 <Mekkis> Longshot, considered opening the book instead?
06:55 <Longshot> Haha I do that too. My brain just has a hard time putting all the peices together by myseld
07:02 <Longshot> myself*
08:11 <Longshot> Are there any archtypes anywhere I don't know about where having CON 18 might actually be useful? Like abilities that stem from CON?
09:16 <Mekkis> yes
09:23 <Mekkis> but it isn't PFS legal
09:31 <Mekkis> and I hope it never will be
09:52 <Mekkis> it's also not allowed in any campaign I run
09:52 <Wrothmonk> I think theres one where a witch uses con for spells and stuff.
10:16 <Wrothmonk> is that the one you're talking about mekkis?
10:22 <Mekkis> yes
10:52 <Longshot> whats so broken about it?
11:24 <Mekkis> it uses con for its abilities
11:52 <Longshot> so just hard to kill
12:19 <Steven> yeah it uses con, and that d6 becomes not so big of a drawback
12:51 <Wrothmonk> well I doubt it will become legal any time soon, it would need orcs to be legal first.
14:43 <Longshot> Seems like it would be a fun archetype to play in an evil campaign though
15:00 <Steven> it would be
16:12 <Longshot> It's amusing to imagine an orc "cackling"
17:54 <Avatar> they ruled you can't use cackle silently
18:14 <Longshot> Why would you need to? Stealth purposes?
18:30 <Longshot> I kinda assumed you couldn't since its, you know, a cackle
18:32 <Avatar> so that an enemy wouldn't know you're the cause of their constant misfortune
18:40 <Avatar> if someone was doing that on you, you'd like to know who it was
18:57 <Longshot> Ok, so have the rest of the party laugh along with you as a free action
19:30 <Longshot> the cackle can't be silent, but do they necessarily have to hear it?
19:40 <Longshot> Like, if they are deaf, does that mean no cackling?
19:48 <Avatar> no but it can't be a whispered laugh
19:55 <Avatar> it has to be "reasonably loud"
20:36 <Longshot> How do things automatically know that the person laughing is the one that hexed them though?
21:32 <Avatar> it's like when you make a knowledge check against bad guys and learn their special abilities
21:39 <Mekkis> regardless, you shouldn't overuse hexes
21:41 <Avatar> except these aren't uncommon beast abilities
21:51 <Avatar> really? you shouldn't overuse power attack then
22:22 <Longshot> if you're not going to overuse the hexes, might as well play a wizard, no?
22:35 <Avatar> if you're playing a wizard, you shouldn't overuse spells
22:49 <Avatar> you shouldn't overuse your eidolon if you're a summoner
23:13 <Avatar> you shouldn't overuse trap disabling if you're a rogue
23:21 <Mekkis> at least not in a campaign
23:25 <Avatar> or inspire courage if you're a bard
23:29 <Mekkis> in PFS, I suppose you can get away with it
23:40 <Avatar> what else is there
23:49 <Avatar> rage if you're a barbarian
23:51 <Longshot> CLW as a healbot?
24:04 <Longshot> challenge as a cavalier?
24:16 <Wrothmonk> guns as a gunslinger?
24:47 <Steven> feats as a fighter
25:01 <Steven> performance as a bard
25:05 <Avatar> don't overuse your feats
25:10 <Avatar> or your skills
25:38 <Avatar> or your armour
25:43 <Avatar> take it off every now and then just for fun
25:43 <Steven> definently dont overuse your saves.
25:51 <Steven> willingly fail some saves
25:56 <Avatar> if people scheduled a game, we could have one going
26:15 <Avatar> that's directed to steven
26:17 <Longshot> don't overuse your crits. Just refuse to roll to confirm.
26:27 <Longshot> So you can save your crit for next time.
26:39 <Steven> good plan...
27:02 <Avatar> no can't save your crit
27:06 <Avatar> just say you don't want to critically hit
27:12 <Avatar> say you would prefer to miss
27:21 <Steven> change of heart right?
27:28 <Avatar> spread the love
27:42 <Brunius> How many D12s do you own Avatar
28:00 <Avatar> a lot
28:14 <Longshot> Don't overuse those D12s.
28:18 <Avatar> haha
28:46 <Steven> i overuse mine...
28:50 <Steven> im sorry...
28:59 <Steven> vital strike musket master...
29:02 <Mekkis> I play Deadlands.
29:15 <Wrothmonk> Dont roll a d20 to often. use a d6 to hit every once in a while.
29:50 <Longshot> Whats deadlands, mekkis?
30:01 <Brunius> is it a d12 based system
30:24 <Longshot> kinda like how WoD is D10
30:27 <Mekkis> no
30:40 <Longshot> kinda not at all?
30:42 <Mekkis> it's a multi-dice and poker-based system
30:57 <Longshot> poker based?
31:02 <Mekkis> yeah
31:04 <Longshot> Gonna have to look this up
31:15 <Wrothmonk> I may have to as well
31:16 <Mekkis> you generate stats by dealing out 12 playing cards
31:25 <Longshot> Speaking of WoD, any of you guys have any experience/interest in the system?
31:34 <Mekkis> not online
31:44 <Wrothmonk> WoD?
31:47 <Brunius> Sounds like a cool backstory, deadlands does
31:48 <Mekkis> I don't think LARPing works well online
31:51 <Mekkis> it is
31:52 <Longshot> world of darkness
31:55 <Mekkis> it's like necrovision
32:05 <Longshot> how is world of darkness larping? haha
32:13 <Mekkis> (remember that Banned in Australia game?)
32:21 <Brunius> Which one
32:37 <Mekkis> NecroVisioN
32:54 <Mekkis> surely you torrented it like everyone else when you heard it was banned?
33:04 <Brunius> Nope
33:10 <Brunius> I don't torrent software
33:20 <Mekkis> that's your problem!
33:23 <Wrothmonk> using poker to cast spells, thats... interesting.
33:41 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, why don't you run a campaign based on that?
34:23 <Brunius> And hand build the system
34:27 <Wrothmonk> ...
34:28 <Brunius> Okay, maybe that was a bit mean.
34:32 <Wrothmonk> yes
34:40 <Mekkis> what?]
34:51 <Mekkis> if Wrothmonk ran a deadlands campaign, I'd play in it
34:59 <Wrothmonk> and nobody else would.
35:15 <Mekkis> is that so?
35:27 <Brunius> I dunno, it sounds like a cool enough concept
35:30 <Brunius> I'd try it, maybe
35:35 <Brunius> If the times lined up
36:47 <Steven> im so confused... what was mean?
36:53 <Wrothmonk> Sorry but no, I'm not going to run any campaigns.
36:53 <Steven> whats deadlands?
37:04 <Longshot> A different game
37:08 <Longshot> Horror western genre
37:15 <Wrothmonk> poker for spells.
37:23 <Steven> oh gotcha... i remember reading about it before
37:40 <Longshot> i don't think it would work online
37:53 <Longshot> you'd have to find some way to draw cards in a way that everyone could see them being drawn
38:06 <Brunius> Mekkis, get diebot to do poker-y stuff
38:31 <Mekkis> sure
38:57 <Steven> i'd be willing to bet theres an Application for it.
39:34 <Longshot> it's basically be ! rand followed by the 52 cards and someway to make it pick more than one and not the same one twice
39:58 <Mekkis> no it isn't
40:40 <Mekkis> it'd be select * from DECK ORDER BY RANDOM() LIMIT 1; DELETE FROM DECK WHERE id = foo
41:12 <Longshot> That works too.
41:15 <Brunius> So...what Longshot said, but in code?
41:19 <Longshot> I didn't know it already knew what a deck was
41:20 <Longshot> haha
41:47 <Wrothmonk> we could just use a real deck and video on skype.
41:55 <Longshot> you also have to find a way to put in both jokers
41:56 <Brunius> eh
42:06 <Brunius> Just add them to the deck, Longshot
42:15 <Longshot> and have one of them be a "black" joker 
45:11 <Steven> i vote longshot runs a campaign!
45:21 <Brunius> I second the motion!
45:30 <Longshot> hahaha no way man
45:33 <Wrothmonk> so why is it when somebody mentions a game where spells are cast by doing a hand of poker everyone perks up and wants to play, while when somebody mentions a campaign where you can create your own spells on the spot nobody gives a shit.
45:52 <Brunius> Because a game isn't defined by its mechanics
45:55 <Steven> probably because i dont like arcane casters very much
45:59 <Steven> but i like poker
46:02 <Brunius> The background associated with deadlands interests me
46:06 <Longshot> a) I'm american and b)I'm to new to DM any sort of game except maybe some sort of world of darkness
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59:08 <Steven> fuck scheduling... right in the ass
59:22 <Steven> with a pineapple
01:01 <Longshot> does magical knack increase caster level for spells known/per day or just for DCs?
01:08 <Brunius> dcs
01:18 <Brunius> are you considering multiclassing?
01:24 <Longshot> yup
01:37 <Longshot> two levels of ranger on a bard
01:46 <Longshot> and bards are already kinda cockblocked when it comes to spells
02:27 <Avatar> yeah, bad
02:39 <Avatar> I didn't realise how badly until after infernal vault when I applied credit to mine
02:50 <Avatar> woohoo! 6th level... and still no 3rd level bard spells
03:59 <Steven> you must have picked some pretty crappy spells mang
04:28 <Avatar> talking spell progression
05:03 <Steven> Terrible Remose so good....
05:18 <Longshot> would it be worth it though for longbow proficiency and trapfinding (trapper archtype)?
05:31 <Brunius> Have you played any PFS yet
06:03 <Steven> Save and be staggered and get -2 AC for the round... or fail and do 1d8+str damage to itself on its turn.
06:34 <Avatar> longshot is a top notch PFS player
06:45 <Steven> he's a cheeser like me!
06:52 * Steven dances around happily
06:53 <Avatar> we all thought he was another newbie but then he was like BAM I know what a 5 foot step does and how to flank and shit
07:09 <Avatar> we are all like WTF who is this guy
07:36 <Longshot> two games haha
07:36 <Longshot> one here and just played one earlier today over a table!
07:36 <Longshot> which is why i want to make a bard, because the poor blokes have no face, no caster, no healer, no skill monkey
07:36 <Longshot> its basically a bunch of damage causers and a rogue that does a little bit of nothing
07:36 <Longshot> although I think one is using 1st level rebuild to make a magus
07:37 <Longshot> he played a monk today
07:37 <Longshot> oh, and two levels of ranger also gives me an extra feat
07:54 <Longshot> hahahal
07:57 <Longshot> im a quick learner
08:12 <Steven> I have fruit salad... woot woot
09:50 <Longshot> i was thinking a level of bard, 2 of trapper, and then bard the rest of the way
10:33 <Steven> you should make a Paladin/Oracle/Bard
10:39 <Steven> go go, do it!
10:42 <Longshot> downsides are less spells, i don't get oratory to go towards sense motive and diplomacy until level 4
11:11 <Longshot> i was REALLLLLY thinking about oracle, but i need dex anyways if im going to be shooting a bow and I really don't think i need extra bonuses to knowledge checks haha
11:31 <Longshot> I'm starting with dex at 15 with a halfling +2 to be able to get multishot later on
11:51 <Avatar> what classes does your in-person table have
12:30 <Steven> his table doesnt have any healer, arcane caster, or face
12:42 <Avatar> I heard that part
12:45 <Avatar> not my question
13:05 <Longshot> a shitty rogue that literally did nothing but run away and almost die. a gunslinger musket guy who doesn't understand how grit works. a lady who is rogue1/inquisitor2 with the intention of going shadowd dancer. and a monk who is rebuilding to magus or something similar.
13:10 <Longshot> and i played my ranger.
13:22 <Longshot> nothing had a CHA over 12
13:24 <Steven> thats what a rogue does lol
13:29 <Avatar> two rogues without skills and aren't a face
17:43 <Steven> oh mans... fruit salad was tasty
20:19 <Longshot> my wifi keeps crashing SO much
20:26 <Longshot> whats the last thing i said?
21:08 <Steven> you said you were going to pay me lots of monies.
21:10 <Steven> avatar too
23:15 <Longshot> i wish i had enough monies to just dole out whenever i wanted haha
23:42 <Steven> well get on it!
24:33 <Longshot> but alas, i'm a poor recent college grad/ starcing artist type, so no can do
25:47 <Longshot> do i *really* need the trapper levels? They're already partially decent at combat and the rogue will figure out trapfinding eventually right?
26:51 <Steven> you dont really...
27:48 <Longshot> I just cringe at missing out either on rapid shot or precise shot until level 5
27:59 <Longshot> and im tired of seeing humans, damnit! haha
28:08 <Brunius> humans are op
28:16 * Steven shrugs
31:10 <Avatar> humans rule
32:29 <Longshot> i found a way of easily getting heavy repeating crossbow btw steven
32:51 <Longshot> there's a nice trait called heirloom weapon
33:09 <Avatar> never heard of that one, is it new
33:18 <Longshot> that gives proficiency, masterwork for the price of normal, and an additional +! attack
33:28 <Avatar> it actually doesn't do that anymore
33:53 <Longshot> nevermind, now you select a benefit
33:59 <Longshot> you're right Avatar
34:10 <Longshot> still nice though. exotic proficiency without spending a feat
34:12 <Avatar> :o)
34:41 <Longshot> and good for trip builds too, since it gives a +2 to one kind of combat manuever if you want it to
34:50 <Longshot> instead of proficiency
34:50 <Avatar> yeah my bard has it
35:30 <Longshot> hey, thats a thought. i could do combat reflexes/ dazzling display instead of archery
35:30 <Avatar> that trip build has bit me a little in the later levels
36:49 <Longshot> i just want to be useful in combat as well
37:19 <Steven> tengu tengu gonna have me some fun building
37:44 <Longshot> Primary concern is being the face and getting down a grease or something similar when needed. but i don't want to suck at fighting.
39:39 <Avatar> you sound paranoid
42:05 <Longshot> i have to design my characters with paranoia in mind, because when I'm actually playing, i tend to get reckless haha
42:05 <Longshot> or so i've noticed so far, and in other games
42:44 <Avatar> play a barbarian then
42:54 <Avatar> then when you go into panic mode as a player, you can rage as a character
43:24 <Longshot> haha I did consider it. 
43:31 <Longshot> mix it with alchmist and become the hulk
43:34 <Longshot> HULK SMASH
49:16 <Longshot> What are some good bardish feats since im not taking ranger anymore
49:16 <Longshot> armor mastery?
49:16 <Longshot> some sort of save?
49:49 <Steven> lingering performnace
49:57 <Steven> all day... every day.
51:22 <Steven> makin a barbarian
51:59 <Wrothmonk> barbarian bard; pathfinder the musical.
53:11 <Steven> Tengu Barbarian
04:59 <Steven> think we gonna build it as a Totem Warrior
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11:21 <Blasticka> I live in Sterling SA
11:48 <Blasticka> near Adelaide hills
11:52 <Brunius> Ah yeah
12:08 <Brunius> We're mainly on the east coast
12:26 <Brunius> Any reason Saturdays are bad? We sometimes run other times.
12:43 <Blasticka> no saturdays are fine. they just aren't right now!
12:46 <Blasticka> lol
12:47 <Brunius> Ahhh
13:24 <Blasticka> I've been patient for like 3 or 4 years waiting to get a chance to play something like this and I am starting to get excited again
13:32 <Brunius> :D
13:51 <Blasticka> so how did you guys come to form this site?
14:01 <Brunius> Avatar, Ballig?
14:19 <Brunius> I don't know, actually, I've only been here three years. They formed it...7 years before that, I think?
14:33 <Brunius> Or maybe that was when they took over from the previous owner...
14:35 <Blasticka> ah so it's got some history. that's good.
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15:03 <Blasticka> do the saturday games allow the use of featured races?
15:18 <Brunius> Most of our Saturday games are run under the Pathfinder Society ruleset
15:20 <Brunius> ?guide
15:20 <diebot> Brunius, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
15:27 <Brunius> Available there
15:31 <Blasticka> yep been reading through that
15:49 <Brunius> Which means that you can take the character you've been using here, play it in person, in the UK, in America, wherever
16:15 <Brunius> That only allows core races and 2-3 others, by default
16:36 <Brunius> I'd recommend you stick with core until you've played a couple of the scenarios, just to get a handle on how things happen in this campaign
16:55 <Brunius> Also: Humans are OP
17:05 <Longshot> quick interrupting question, what are the most important languages after common or is there a link to a thread about it? I can't seem to find one.
17:19 <Brunius> Uuuuh
17:24 <Blasticka> hello longshot
17:29 <Brunius> Tien, for Season 3 scenarios, don't know about Season 4
17:50 <Longshot> and hello blasticka :) glad to have ya aboard mate
18:07 <Blasticka> so, with the times on the site
18:32 <Brunius> They're all in AEST, if you sign up you can get them in your local timezone
18:34 <Blasticka> 1:30 pm your time would be what, 12pm my time?
18:49 <Blasticka> well I suppose I should sign up if it's free
18:55 <Brunius> AEST is GMT +10, ACST is +9:30
19:00 <Brunius> So you're half an hour behind us
19:04 <Blasticka> we are saving for our first house deposit
19:31 <Longshot> yes, its free mate
19:31 <Blasticka> so, for me it would be 1pm then
19:47 <Brunius> Longshot: For Season 4, try Thassilonian
19:50 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2knx8&page=1?Languages-in-Society-Games
19:51 <Longshot> all you need to play here are a few free downloads, a free account, and skype
20:05 <Blasticka> I have skype, so that shouldn't be a problem
20:17 <Brunius> What would be 1pm, Blasticka?
20:23 <Longshot> problem is I'll eb playing ALL The seasons :P
20:41 <Brunius> WotW is a more traditional campaign, and I don't think Mekkis is currently accepting new players, if that's what.
20:45 <Blasticka> 1:30 your time
21:16 <Brunius> I think there's a PFS game this saturday, 10am AEST
21:37 <Brunius> If you can raise yourself to consciousness at 9:30 on a Saturday
22:43 <Blasticka> that's difficult for me, I rarely wake up before noon
23:07 <Blasticka> but that could change in the next month or two we'll have to see
23:12 <Blasticka> afk briefly
27:08 <Brunius> http://bash.org/?16544
28:20 <Blasticka> so what do I need to download? I've registered and logged in
29:09 <Brunius> You'll want a proper IRC client, such as mIRC, icechat, or x-chat
29:14 <Brunius> You'll need DevCA
29:15 <Brunius> ?CA
29:19 <Brunius> ?devCA
29:21 <Brunius> ?DevCA
29:26 <Brunius> ?devca
29:28 <Brunius> someday I'll find it
30:22 <Brunius> ?ca
30:22 <diebot> Brunius, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/DevCA22b135.zip
30:49 <Brunius> Other than that, as far as playing goes, you won't need anything. For building a character, you can use the prd.
31:35 <Blasticka> what about teamspeak does that count?
31:53 <Brunius> We don't use teamspeak, we use skype
32:01 <Brunius> We can't really interface the two all that easily
32:09 <Blasticka> well I have skype so that is fine
32:39 <Blasticka> what is the irc client for if you use skype?
32:52 <Brunius> Mainly dice rolls
32:54 <Brunius> !throw 1d20
32:54 <diebot> Brunius, 1d20: [1d20=11] 11
33:39 <Steven> there its built
36:06 <Blasticka> hmm I may have disconnected
36:13 <Brunius> ?
36:20 <Blasticka> nope guess not
36:43 <Blasticka> so I think I have the DevCa
37:01 <Blasticka> which chat do you think I should get?
37:27 <Brunius> I personally use x-chat 2, but most of the people in here use mIRC
37:46 <Blasticka> is it on the honor system for what you rolled?
37:56 <Blasticka> or is everyone in the same chat room?
38:06 <Brunius> We generally play in here
38:12 <Brunius> So you roll it in here
38:21 <Brunius> !throw 1d20+5 attack; 2d6+4 damage
38:22 <diebot> Brunius, attack: [1d20=18] 23; damage: [2d6=2,3] 9
38:24 <Brunius> for example
38:58 <Blasticka> !throw 1d20+5 attack; 2d6+4 damage
38:58 <diebot> Blasticka, attack: [1d20=13] 18; damage: [2d6=1,4] 9
39:11 <Blasticka> cool.
39:24 <Blasticka> so you really don't need mIRC
39:48 <Brunius> mIRC has more features than mibbit, which is what I think you're using?
40:12 <Brunius> It's a program that does the same thing as the javascript you're running in a browser
42:41 <Blasticka> Register <B3n1ah77> <[email protected]>
42:58 <Blasticka> oh bother
43:51 <Brunius> You don't need the arrows
44:14 <Brunius> you'd want /register B3n1ah77 [email protected] in that case
44:16 <Steven> full round attack while raging
44:20 <Steven> bite, claw, claw, gore
44:26 <Blasticka> is there I way to delete a post? lol
44:26 <Brunius> possible with another s
44:30 <Brunius> Nope
44:36 <Brunius> It's forever recorded in our chat logs
44:38 <Steven> !throw 4#1d20+6
44:38 <diebot> Steven, 4#1d20+6: [1d20=18] 24, [1d20=14] 20, [1d20=19] 25, [1d20=6] 12
44:42 <Brunius> (Muahahahaha)
44:53 <Blasticka> sigh. gonna have to change a couple passwords. :-P
44:55 <Steven> i'd hit with a bite claw and a calw
44:57 <Steven> claw
45:09 <Steven> !throw 3d3+21
45:09 <diebot> Steven, 3d3+21: [3d3=1,2,1] 25
45:10 <Brunius> I've done that far too many times
45:14 <Steven> at level 2
45:34 <Brunius> For a while I'd start up the computer, and this would open on one screen, and steam, skype, etc. on the other
45:55 <Brunius> So I'd try to log in on steam/skype etc. and it would focus on this window every damn time
46:00 <Steven> if i hit with everything its 3d3+21+1d8+7
46:07 <Brunius> Went through about five passwords before I taught it not to
48:15 <Blasticka> so, who wants to play?
48:37 <Blasticka> surely we have at least 3 people lurking?
48:51 <Brunius> A game would take 4-6 hours, maybe longer
49:05 <Wrothmonk> thats 32-45 damage.
49:06 <Wrothmonk> nice
49:07 <Brunius> That puts it at finish 1am for most people, which is less than ideal for a wednesday
49:13 <Blasticka> awwww
49:21 <Steven> cant be displeased bout it.
49:41 <Brunius> If you'd rocked up three hours earlier they might have! I think someone was calling for a game then.
49:48 <Blasticka> *uses once per day power of super Puppy dog eyes*
49:58 <Blasticka> pwwweeeeaaase?
50:07 * Brunius switches tabs
51:37 <Blasticka> man. usually that power never fails
53:00 <Steven> kinda wanna go with a Sunder build
53:29 <Steven> makes me giggle when i think of a bird imp sundering a weapon with its beak lol
53:40 <Longshot> is finding haleen PFS allowed?
54:20 <Brunius> Is what
54:33 <Longshot> ?finding haleen
54:44 <Brunius> What is it
54:49 <Brunius> &finding haleen
54:50 <Longshot> trait
54:55 <Brunius> Source?
55:05 <Longshot> legacy of fire
55:20 <Longshot> i don't know if its on those pages that are allowed or not for traits :P
55:22 <Brunius> page number?
55:26 <Longshot> wondering if anyone had the sourcebook
55:28 <Brunius> Well you'll need to find out
55:33 <Blasticka> I've been unable to download the pdf from paizo that explains it
55:42 <Blasticka> even though it says it is free
56:13 <spider21b> hi
56:19 <Blasticka> hello
56:44 <Longshot> nope, not allowed
56:51 <Wrothmonk> My ranger only does 10-22 normal (+6), 12-24 (+5) power attack, at level 3 :(
56:55 <Blasticka> 4 people! that is almost enough for a game
57:03 <Brunius> Four is enough
57:06 <Blasticka> who here has to wake up early tomorrow?
57:06 <Brunius> If you have a willing DM
57:10 <Brunius> Me
58:07 <Blasticka> yes you are the willing dm!
58:14 <Blasticka> muahahahaha
58:30 <Longshot> it is already early tomorrow for me
58:31 <Steven> well if i only hit with one attack i only do 1d3+7
58:32 <Longshot> haha
58:35 <Longshot> 7 AM
58:38 <Steven> while raging
58:39 <Wrothmonk> ah.
58:52 <Brunius> I don't have anything prepped, don't own anything a level 1 can play, and have to get up in 9 hours time. Spending 6 of those playing pathfinder is not the plan.
58:53 <Wrothmonk> bit more risky then.
59:07 <Steven> yeah, but i also get more attacks in.
59:13 <Blasticka> :-P
59:19 <Blasticka> I'm just being silly mostly
59:21 <Steven> so instead of relying on once dice i get to roll 4
00:03 <Longshot> aw, but im so close to level 2 ;)
00:58 <spider21b> awww
01:22 <Steven> at around 8-9 i should be doing around 1d3+12 damage
01:24 <Brunius> One of you guys can GM
01:28 <Steven> easily
01:36 <Steven> without any enhancements to my damage
01:39 <Blasticka> I could try. never GM'd before
01:44 <Steven> which prolly gonna have an AoMF
01:50 <Longshot> im absolutely 100% kidding about playing a game. It may be 7 AM but i still need to get at least an hour or 3 of sleep in
01:54 <Wrothmonk> AoMF?
02:24 <Blasticka> in that case, I think I'll hit up some league of legends for a little late night gaming
02:30 <Steven> amulet of mighty fists
02:40 <Steven> dont think i wanna go with eldritch claws
02:43 <spider21b> playing ktor2 for late night gaming xd
02:44 <Blasticka> been nice meeting you all though
02:55 <Blasticka> hope to game with you another time.
03:07 <Longshot> see ya!
03:18 <Brunius> l8rzzzzzzz
03:18 <Blasticka> adios!
03:59 <Longshot> well crap
04:01 <Brunius> Obligator "He won't be back"
04:19 <Brunius> why do I keep dropping letters
04:37 <Longshot> I think i'm going to have to go with 15 lb armor to make light encumbrance :(
04:56 <Brunius> How vital is it that you get light encumbrance?
05:18 <Longshot> is there an arcane spell miss chance for medium encumbrance or just medium armor?
05:48 <Longshot> depends on the answer to that question
06:02 <Brunius> Medium	+3	–3	20 ft.	15 ft.	×4
06:09 <Brunius> That's what happens if you get medium encumbrance
07:56 <Longshot> thats it?
08:13 <Longshot> no minus whatsoever to arcane casting?
08:29 <Brunius> Sorry, +3 max dex, -3 ACP, reduced speed and reduced run
08:56 <Brunius> that's a 20ft speed if you were 30ft, 15 if you were 20, and run stays at x4
09:08 <Longshot> is the -3 armor check penalty on top of the penalty from armor??? :o
09:24 <Brunius> I believe so.
09:32 <Brunius> It's just marked as a check penalty, actuall
09:33 <Brunius> y
09:48 <Longshot> so yes, its imperative I stay at light encumbrance then
09:51 <Longshot> that can't be how it works
10:11 <Longshot> or people in heavy armor would be taking an extra -3 always unless they had like strength 30
10:22 <Brunius> !findchar Bairaq
10:22 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Bairaq, number: 333( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=333 )
10:25 <Longshot> and the checks are already like -9 for heavy armor or some stupid shit like that
10:38 <Brunius> -5 for full plate
10:47 <Brunius> (that might be with the masterwork bonus added)
10:52 <Longshot> So i'm exaggerating, but still
11:05 <Brunius> I'm easily on light
11:08 <Longshot> full plate would definitely put you over light just by itself
11:24 <Brunius> Full plate weighs 50
11:30 <Brunius> Light for me is 86
11:34 <Brunius> 16 str
11:52 <Longshot> so full plate is 50
12:00 <Longshot> meh, i guess so
12:22 <Longshot> so essentially you have to take strength 14 or 15+ if you want to wear armor
12:23 <Longshot> great
12:55 <Brunius> Well the people wearing the best armour are going to be the melee combatants, who are going to have high str anyway
12:59 <Longshot> die by the sword, or die by drowning/falling. which to pick, which to pick
12:59 <Longshot> haha
14:25 <Longshot> just found a thread about it
14:29 <Longshot> they don't stack, thank god
14:38 <Longshot> you pick whichever of the two is worse
14:43 <Longshot> same with maximum dex
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50:29 <Wrothmonk> !item cloak of Fangs
50:30 <diebot> Wrothmonk, CLOAK OF FANGS [moderate transmutation] CL:9 shoulders 2800gp, 1lb
50:30 <diebot> Wearing this animal-hair cloak grants a +1 resistance bonus on saving throws. Furthermore, the wearer can force its teeth to grow rapidly up to five times per day as a swift action. The oversized teeth last for 1 round, during which time the wearer can make a bite attack. Treat this attack as a primary natural attack that deals 1d6 points of damage
50:30 <diebot> (or 1d4 if the wearer is Small). If the wearer already has a bite attack, the damage of that bite attack increases by one step (Bestiary 302). Source: Ultimate Equipment
50:43 <Wrothmonk> that could be useful for your barb.
57:18 <Avatar> that looks like a big bad waste of $$
59:25 <Brunius> Yeah
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35:23 <spider21b> hi
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24:50 <Steven> that is a big bad waste of money since i naturally have a bite attack
25:35 <Wrothmonk> yeah but it puts it up to a d8 instead of a d6
27:29 <Steven> actually its a d3 for a tengu
27:30 <Wrothmonk> could be worth it since you cant exactly add enhancement bonuses to natural attacks without spells or special abilities.
27:54 <Steven> yes... you can, its called amulet of Mighty Fists
28:34 <Steven> get a +1 enhancement bonus to ALL natural and unarmed strike attacks.
28:36 <Wrothmonk> Oh
29:09 <Steven> but the higher level you get the less dice actually matter in determining damage
29:44 <Steven> the difference between a d3 and a d8 become rather small when you're adding +20-30 damage
30:17 <Wrothmonk> it wouldnt even be a d8, it would be the next die up so probably d4 instead of d3
42:04 <Steven> i think its time to clear out my character theory folder
43:59 <Steven> there.... i kept my tengu barb, melee wizard, mounted insanity, and a summoner build
45:12 <Steven> my summoner... I made Ellen Ripley
45:37 <Steven> and for those of you who dont know... thats the chick in aliens
59:00 <Steven> i need to finish the eidolon before i can play with her though... never gotten round to it
07:02 <Wrothmonk> Hello
15:27 <Steven> there built
15:34 <Steven> back to the character theory folder
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26:09 <longshot> hello all
26:15 <Mekkis> moin
55:32 <longshot> how does the horn of valhalla work in PFS?
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13:09 <longshot> Pathfinder Chronicle prestige class says “Levels in this class (PfC) stack with levels in any other class that grants a similar ability to determine her effective bard level.” Does the mean if I take bard AND another class with bard like abilities, both will level up with each level of pathfinder chronicler?
22:34 <Brunius> Yeah
23:13 <Brunius|M> Maybe
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21:15 <Longshot> what are the best spells to heighten?
33:25 <Steven> meh.... 
33:33 <Steven> just make sure you never heighten the sexual tension
33:50 <Longshot> that's my favorite spell to heighten.
34:36 <Longshot> the game i played yesterday actually had the two female characters bluffing to offer a viking guard a threesome to get him to abandon his post.
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49:47 <Brunius> naturally
52:22 <Longshot> they rolled a 20 with the bluff modifier.
52:32 <Longshot> Guard with no sense motive rolled a nat 20.
55:15 <Longshot> Question: Does mithral medium armor count as light armor for proficiency? What about for bards who can cast with light armor on?
56:02 <Longshot> nvm, found the answer myself
58:43 <Brunius> It doesn't count, for either, I think
03:26 <Longshot> nah, counts for everything EXCEPT proficiency
03:34 <Longshot> so it includes the bard casting ability
22:34 <Mekkis> this is the largest Regular Latte I've seen...
23:36 <Brunius> Ask them what size a large is
23:43 <Brunius> Maybe they just like people of your ethnicity
23:52 <Brunius> Maybe they're charmed by your accent
24:23 <Mekkis> longshot: if you're looking for armour for a character not proficient in medium armour who can ignore ASF for light armour, you should look at &elven chain
24:31 <diebot> ELVEN CHAIN [no aura (nonmagical)] CL:0 armor 5150gp, 20lb
24:31 <diebot> This extremely light chainmail is made of very fine mithral links. This armor is treated, in all ways, like light armor, including when determining proficiency. The armor has an arcane spell failure chance of 20%, a maximum Dexterity bonus of +4, and an armor check penalty of -2. Source: PFRPG Core
25:06 <Mekkis> the aussie accent, or the wallet with cash in it?
34:12 <Brunius> From what I hear Australians are actually pretty popular overseas
34:12 <Brunius> Dunno why
34:50 <Longshot> and that means i could take another trait too. Because i was going to do armor master and masterwork along with mithral to get a -5 down to 0 so i didn't have to use a feat on medium armor
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35:05 <Foose> hi
36:04 <Brunius> Hi
36:26 <Foose> hello
36:35 <Brunius> How's it goin?
36:53 <Foose> pretty good i have a rules question if youll hear it
36:59 <Mekkis> sure
37:15 <Mekkis> does it involve Darkness and light spells?
37:20 <Foose> is a good aligned cleric allowed to cast "cause fear"?
37:23 <Brunius> That was gonna be my guess too
37:32 <Mekkis> !spell cause fear
37:36 <diebot> Mekkis, CAUSE FEAR necromancy ([emotion, fear, mind-affecting]) antipaladin 1, bard 1, cleric/oracle 1, inquisitor 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature with 5 or fewer HD Comp: V, S Duration: 1d4 rounds or 1 round; see text Save: Will partial SR:yes
37:36 <diebot> The affected creature becomes frightened. If the subject succeeds on a Will save, it is shaken for 1 round. Creatures with 6 or more HD are immune to this effect. Cause fear counters and dispels remove fear.
37:44 <Mekkis> sure
37:57 <Mekkis> it doesn't have the evil subtype
38:08 <Foose> okay cool i wasnt sure if necromancy counted as evil
38:15 <Mekkis> nope
38:26 <Foose> awesome
38:31 <Mekkis> some necromancy, like Create Undead is
38:49 <Foose> !spell create undead
38:50 <diebot> Foose, CREATE UNDEAD necromancy ([evil]) cleric 6, sorcerer/wizard 6 1 hour Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one corpse Comp: V, S, M (a clay pot filled with grave dirt and an onyx gem worth at least 50 gp per HD of the undead to be created) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:no
38:51 <diebot> A much more potent spell than animate dead, this evil spell allows you to infuse a dead body with negative energy to create more powerful sorts of undead: ghouls, ghasts, mummies, and mohrgs. The type or types of undead you can create are based on your caster level, as shown on the table below. Caster Level Undead Created 11th or lower Ghoul
38:51 <diebot> 12th-14th Ghast 15th-17th Mummy 18th or higher Mohrg You may create less powerful undead than your level would allow if you choose. Created undead are not automatically under the control of their animator. If you are capable of commanding undead, you may attempt to command the undead creature as it forms. This spell must be cast at night.
38:59 <Mekkis> but it will have the school like "Necromancy [evil]
39:00 <Foose> i see
39:24 <Longshot> shame performance artist doesn't give +5 when using performance to make money anymore.
39:41 <Mekkis> dayjobs are overrated 
40:11 <Longshot> for a bard who pumps max into a perform skill?
40:23 <Longshot> that +5 would make dayjobs not overrated
41:36 <Foose> i never liked players using perform to make money : /
42:11 <Longshot> hey, im a real life performer, watch it :P
42:15 <Longshot> we gotta make moneys too!
42:24 <Mekkis> for a character who is on slow progression, has +30 to diplomacy, and can use diplomacy for dayjobs
42:51 <Longshot> wait, what? how can you use diplomacy for dayjobs?
43:16 <Mekkis> yeah
43:22 <Mekkis> caravan vanity
43:43 <Longshot> and how'd you get it to +30?
43:50 <Brunius> shenanigans
43:51 <Longshot> thats awesome, what level?
43:57 <Mekkis> 2
44:25 <Longshot> What class?
44:45 <Foose> one of my players today jumped from a balcony unto a picnic table, failed her acrobatics check and landed in a firepit :P
45:14 <Mekkis> did she go Foose?
45:27 <Foose> no she was on fire
46:40 <Longshot> What are the benefits to different advancement rates?
46:54 <Longshot> Is it just the obvious more money per level?
47:07 <Foose> makes the campaign last longer
47:24 <Foose> keeps primary from reaching the "ivory tower" too soon
47:32 <Foose> er primary casters*
48:04 <Longshot> So how did you get your diplo so high mekkis?
48:08 <Mekkis> Longshot, yeah, but it's not enough money per level to care about
48:34 <Mekkis> longshot: start with synthesist summoner, add cheese
48:59 <Longshot> is there any way to do it and it be PFS legal? 
49:26 <Mekkis> not sure. Doesn't interest me anymore 
49:45 <Mekkis> (when I had that character, it was PFS-legal)
52:53 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20
52:54 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
02:40 <Longshot> Mekkis, did your character have high bluff or intimidate as well or just diplo?
05:18 <Wrothmonk> blarg, I look away for half an hour and now I need to read a ton of chat.
05:59 <Brunius> You know how to solve this right
06:05 <Brunius> Don't look away for half an hour
08:29 <Wrothmonk> done
09:42 <Wrothmonk> nothing of interest, which is surprising.
12:54 <Mekkis> most of the stuff we type interests wrothmonk
13:18 <Foose> can you guys recommend any site for online character sheets?
13:34 <Wrothmonk> myth weavers is good.
13:36 <Mekkis> nl.ti4200.info/profiler
13:50 <Mekkis> it's like mythweavers, but better
14:04 <Foose> do my players have to sign up for either of those to view their character sheets?
14:17 <Mekkis> yes
17:30 <Wrothmonk> well to view them no, to edit them yes.
19:31 <Mekkis> you want a character sheet with version control
19:55 <Avatar> what's going on now
21:07 <Mekkis> I'm plotting to kill you all
21:16 <Mekkis> nothing new
21:33 <Avatar> the terms of use link on your profiler site doesn't work
21:52 <Mekkis> so ignore them
21:53 <Mekkis> I do
22:01 <Mekkis> and it's my site.
22:28 <Avatar> why is it there if you want us to ignore them
22:40 <Mekkis> because I'm lazy
24:23 <Avatar> which sheet are you meant to use for PFS
24:25 <Avatar> or PF
24:39 <Mekkis> 3e profiler standard
28:13 <Avatar> looks pretty good
30:24 <Longshot> Bah. I can't get above +15 on diplo for level 1 and can only get +18 at level 2..
30:27 <Longshot> no where close to +30
30:35 <Longshot> :/
30:45 <Brunius> He was getting like +10 from his eidolon
31:16 <Steven> after about +20 theres really no need to put more into it.
31:43 <Steven> and with +15 you will succeed about 75% of the time
32:17 <Wrothmonk> I've been tempted recently to see how high I could get stealth. I'm thinking I could possibly get it about that high.
32:30 <Wrothmonk> which would be awesome to play with the new erreta.
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32:34 <Brunius> !findchar Kaleb
32:38 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Kaleb, number: 229( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=229 )
32:40 <Brunius> !history 229
32:43 <diebot> Brunius, r3 | initial load | 2012-07-21 00:05:09 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
32:56 <Brunius> !diff 229 3
32:58 <Brunius> !diff 229 r3
32:59 <diebot> Brunius, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/229r3.txt
33:26 <Brunius> Hmm, no original save
33:34 <Brunius> Anyway, at level 1 Kaleb had like +16 to stealth
33:39 <Wrothmonk> nice.
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41:03 <Avatar> you can diplo an enemy in certain circumstances
41:14 <Avatar> not willy nilly though
41:45 <Wrothmonk> You can however intimidate whenever you want :D
41:58 <Mekkis> you can intimidate to demoralise whenever you want
43:26 <Longshot> intimidate makes them shaken right?
43:36 <Longshot> and possibly frightened and panicked?
43:49 <Wrothmonk> shaken yes.
43:57 <Wrothmonk> the actual condition of shaken.
44:37 <Wrothmonk> but not frightened or panicked
48:12 <Avatar> I think shaken is the least-bad condition in the game
48:44 <Avatar> no wait that's dazzled
48:50 <Wrothmonk> !condition shaken
48:51 <diebot> Wrothmonk, A shaken character takes a –2 penalty on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks. Shaken is a less severe state of fear than frightened or panicked.
48:59 <Wrothmonk> !condition dazzled
49:00 <diebot> Wrothmonk, The creature is unable to see well because of overstimulation of the eyes. A dazzled creature takes a –1 penalty on attack rolls and sight-based Perception checks.
49:27 <Wrothmonk> definitely dazzled.
50:01 <Mekkis> suffering one point of charisma damage :)
50:18 <Longshot> so when can you intimidate to make them friendly?
50:29 <Longshot> for 1d6x10 minutes
50:35 <Avatar> when you're using it like diplomacy
50:41 <Wrothmonk> thats like interrogating I think.
50:56 <Avatar> it's only combat that has funny rules and even then there's exceptions
51:10 <Wrothmonk> like the english language.
51:13 <Avatar> there's suppoesd to be a blurry line
51:14 <Wrothmonk> exceptions for all
51:16 <Longshot> so you can't be in a dungeon and be like "you won't like me when I'm angry, open the door" ?
51:18 <Wrothmonk> and funny rules.
51:38 <Avatar> maybe
51:44 <Avatar> it's never as black and white as that
51:58 <Avatar> even mekkis isn't that black and white I don't think, and he's the rules lawyer
52:06 <Longshot> which do you think is better? diplomacy or intimidation?
52:12 <Mekkis> diplomacy
52:29 <Wrothmonk> intimidate.
52:35 <Longshot> bluff.
52:37 <Longshot> say what?
52:40 <Avatar> intimidate and bluff are specialised sorts of chatter
52:49 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk only says that because he doesn't know what he's talking about
53:08 <Avatar> if you're good at it, intimidate and bluff can work for you better
53:23 <Longshot> i like the sound of bluff in certain situations though. "If you come within 5 feet of me, you will spontaneously combust and die"
53:29 <Avatar> it can be tough to intimidate or bluff someone into helping you as compared to just being diplomatic
53:41 <Wrothmonk> I cant say I disagree. I generally have no clue what I'm talking about. Also all of these sentences are false including this one.
53:59 <Avatar> if you've rolled initiative, your chances of using diplomacy are shot
54:10 <Avatar> not nil, but they're not good
54:57 <Wrothmonk> I can think of a few situations that it was successful. However all of the npcs were near death and wanted to live so...
55:39 <Longshot> i think i want to make a pacifist character.
55:41 <Longshot> As an alt.
56:09 <Avatar> how is that going to work
56:19 <Wrothmonk> it wont? :P
56:20 <Mekkis> an alt?
56:29 <Longshot> alternate character
56:38 <Longshot> lots of party buffs
57:10 <Mekkis> I did that in Avatar's campaign
57:32 <Avatar> did you
57:38 <Longshot> like a bard with flagbearer
57:50 <Mekkis> yeah
57:55 <Mekkis> Mrivan
57:58 <Longshot> and i can just use a longspear to aid other peoples attacks and give them +2 to hit instead of actually attacking myself
58:05 <Avatar> what, for one session
58:10 <Avatar> that looks like a big bad waste of $$
58:19 <Mekkis> no.
58:32 <Avatar> mrivan was right at the beginning 
58:37 <Mekkis> he was a pacifist until the end!
58:48 <Avatar> of the 50 or so sessions we played, he played maybe one
58:59 <Mekkis> closer to ten
59:01 <Avatar> you're such a pacifist
59:16 <Mekkis> he martyred himself!
59:46 <Avatar> while your next character killed a party member in his sleep
59:54 <Mekkis> of course
00:00 <Avatar> I guess in comparison he was a pacifist
00:15 <Mekkis> when my character dies, I don't just change the name and reintroduce him
00:16 <Brunius> Yeah
00:51 <Longshot> If my character died, they'd be dead. I would try to avoid that concept for a good while afterwards
01:03 <Longshot> I almost died last game. Got to -7 HP on con 12
01:33 <Avatar> at least you didn't have con 10
02:11 <Longshot> I think i'm going to try to always have at least Con 12
02:30 <Longshot> Con doesn't get enough love.
02:50 <Avatar> rule of  thumb: ideally con 14, bare minimum con 12
03:05 <Longshot> There's literally at least one build out there that maximizes every stat except for con.
03:07 <Mekkis> that's going a bit far
03:31 <Longshot> anyone with Con 18 would be laughed at.
03:41 <Wrothmonk> I wonder how long a character would last with a con of 7...
03:44 <Mekkis> Longshot, stop reading up about "BUILDS". it does NOT make you a better player
04:00 <Mekkis> Ulzef's WotW character has 6 con
04:05 <Mekkis> he's still alive
04:33 <Avatar> your paladin had 10 con and died in the first game
04:37 <Avatar> by hitting -10 hp
04:48 <Longshot> No, i know, i know. 
05:12 <Mekkis> Avatar, I know
05:13 <Longshot> But it's the only way I've learned about several feats and feat combos so it's been worth it
05:28 <Mekkis> Longshot, considered opening the book instead?
06:04 <Longshot> Haha I do that too. My brain just has a hard time putting all the peices together by myseld
06:11 <Longshot> myself*
07:20 <Longshot> Are there any archtypes anywhere I don't know about where having CON 18 might actually be useful? Like abilities that stem from CON?
08:24 <Mekkis> yes
08:32 <Mekkis> but it isn't PFS legal
08:39 <Mekkis> and I hope it never will be
09:00 <Mekkis> it's also not allowed in any campaign I run
09:01 <Wrothmonk> I think theres one where a witch uses con for spells and stuff.
09:25 <Wrothmonk> is that the one you're talking about mekkis?
09:31 <Mekkis> yes
10:01 <Longshot> whats so broken about it?
10:33 <Mekkis> it uses con for its abilities
11:01 <Longshot> so just hard to kill
11:28 <Steven> yeah it uses con, and that d6 becomes not so big of a drawback
12:01 <Wrothmonk> well I doubt it will become legal any time soon, it would need orcs to be legal first.
13:52 <Longshot> Seems like it would be a fun archetype to play in an evil campaign though
14:10 <Steven> it would be
15:21 <Longshot> It's amusing to imagine an orc "cackling"
17:03 <Avatar> they ruled you can't use cackle silently
17:23 <Longshot> Why would you need to? Stealth purposes?
17:39 <Longshot> I kinda assumed you couldn't since its, you know, a cackle
17:41 <Avatar> so that an enemy wouldn't know you're the cause of their constant misfortune
17:49 <Avatar> if someone was doing that on you, you'd like to know who it was
18:06 <Longshot> Ok, so have the rest of the party laugh along with you as a free action
18:39 <Longshot> the cackle can't be silent, but do they necessarily have to hear it?
18:49 <Longshot> Like, if they are deaf, does that mean no cackling?
18:57 <Avatar> no but it can't be a whispered laugh
19:04 <Avatar> it has to be "reasonably loud"
19:45 <Longshot> How do things automatically know that the person laughing is the one that hexed them though?
20:41 <Avatar> it's like when you make a knowledge check against bad guys and learn their special abilities
20:47 <Mekkis> regardless, you shouldn't overuse hexes
20:50 <Avatar> except these aren't uncommon beast abilities
21:00 <Avatar> really? you shouldn't overuse power attack then
21:31 <Longshot> if you're not going to overuse the hexes, might as well play a wizard, no?
21:43 <Avatar> if you're playing a wizard, you shouldn't overuse spells
21:58 <Avatar> you shouldn't overuse your eidolon if you're a summoner
22:22 <Avatar> you shouldn't overuse trap disabling if you're a rogue
22:30 <Mekkis> at least not in a campaign
22:34 <Avatar> or inspire courage if you're a bard
22:37 <Mekkis> in PFS, I suppose you can get away with it
22:49 <Avatar> what else is there
22:58 <Avatar> rage if you're a barbarian
23:00 <Longshot> CLW as a healbot?
23:13 <Longshot> challenge as a cavalier?
23:25 <Wrothmonk> guns as a gunslinger?
23:56 <Steven> feats as a fighter
24:10 <Steven> performance as a bard
24:14 <Avatar> don't overuse your feats
24:19 <Avatar> or your skills
24:47 <Avatar> or your armour
24:52 <Avatar> take it off every now and then just for fun
24:52 <Steven> definently dont overuse your saves.
25:00 <Steven> willingly fail some saves
25:26 <Longshot> don't overuse your crits. Just refuse to roll to confirm.
25:36 <Longshot> So you can save your crit for next time.
25:48 <Steven> good plan...
26:11 <Avatar> no can't save your crit
26:15 <Avatar> just say you don't want to critically hit
26:21 <Avatar> say you would prefer to miss
26:30 <Steven> change of heart right?
26:37 <Avatar> spread the love
26:50 <Brunius> How many D12s do you own Avatar
27:09 <Avatar> a lot
27:23 <Longshot> Don't overuse those D12s.
27:27 <Avatar> haha
27:55 <Steven> i overuse mine...
27:59 <Steven> im sorry...
28:07 <Steven> vital strike musket master...
28:11 <Mekkis> I play Deadlands.
28:24 <Wrothmonk> Dont roll a d20 to often. use a d6 to hit every once in a while.
28:59 <Longshot> Whats deadlands, mekkis?
29:10 <Brunius> is it a d12 based system
29:32 <Longshot> kinda like how WoD is D10
29:36 <Mekkis> no
29:49 <Longshot> kinda not at all?
29:51 <Mekkis> it's a multi-dice and poker-based system
30:06 <Longshot> poker based?
30:11 <Mekkis> yeah
30:13 <Longshot> Gonna have to look this up
30:24 <Wrothmonk> I may have to as well
30:25 <Mekkis> you generate stats by dealing out 12 playing cards
30:34 <Longshot> Speaking of WoD, any of you guys have any experience/interest in the system?
30:42 <Mekkis> not online
30:53 <Wrothmonk> WoD?
30:56 <Brunius> Sounds like a cool backstory, deadlands does
30:56 <Mekkis> I don't think LARPing works well online
31:00 <Mekkis> it is
31:01 <Longshot> world of darkness
31:04 <Mekkis> it's like necrovision
31:14 <Longshot> how is world of darkness larping? haha
31:22 <Mekkis> (remember that Banned in Australia game?)
31:30 <Brunius> Which one
31:46 <Mekkis> NecroVisioN
32:03 <Mekkis> surely you torrented it like everyone else when you heard it was banned?
32:13 <Brunius> Nope
32:19 <Brunius> I don't torrent software
32:28 <Mekkis> that's your problem!
32:32 <Wrothmonk> using poker to cast spells, thats... interesting.
32:49 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, why don't you run a campaign based on that?
33:31 <Brunius> And hand build the system
33:36 <Wrothmonk> ...
33:37 <Brunius> Okay, maybe that was a bit mean.
33:41 <Wrothmonk> yes
33:49 <Mekkis> what?]
33:59 <Mekkis> if Wrothmonk ran a deadlands campaign, I'd play in it
34:08 <Wrothmonk> and nobody else would.
34:24 <Mekkis> is that so?
34:36 <Brunius> I dunno, it sounds like a cool enough concept
34:39 <Brunius> I'd try it, maybe
34:44 <Brunius> If the times lined up
35:56 <Steven> im so confused... what was mean?
36:02 <Wrothmonk> Sorry but no, I'm not going to run any campaigns.
36:02 <Steven> whats deadlands?
36:13 <Longshot> A different game
36:17 <Longshot> Horror western genre
36:23 <Wrothmonk> poker for spells.
36:32 <Steven> oh gotcha... i remember reading about it before
36:48 <Longshot> i don't think it would work online
37:02 <Longshot> you'd have to find some way to draw cards in a way that everyone could see them being drawn
37:15 <Brunius> Mekkis, get diebot to do poker-y stuff
37:39 <Mekkis> sure
38:06 <Steven> i'd be willing to bet theres an Application for it.
38:43 <Longshot> it's basically be ! rand followed by the 52 cards and someway to make it pick more than one and not the same one twice
39:06 <Mekkis> no it isn't
39:48 <Mekkis> it'd be select * from DECK ORDER BY RANDOM() LIMIT 1; DELETE FROM DECK WHERE id = foo
40:20 <Longshot> That works too.
40:24 <Brunius> So...what Longshot said, but in code?
40:52 <Mekkis> not at all
41:37 <Mekkis> actually, you could just go: INSERT INTO MEKKIS_DECK SELECT * FROM DECK ORDER BY RANDOM();
41:46 <Mekkis> that will shuffle the deck
41:55 <Mekkis> and then you just keep removing the top one
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46:29 <Mekkis> actually, you could just go: INSERT INTO MEKKIS_DECK SELECT * FROM DECK ORDER BY RANDOM();
46:51 <Brunius> Whereas I got the impression your campaign was in a fantasy setting
47:16 <Longshot> !INSERT INTO MEKKIS_DECK SELECT * FROM DECK ORDER BY RANDOM(6)
47:27 <Longshot> Well? haha
47:51 <Longshot> Whats the asterick supposed to be?
47:52 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, because the ruleset exists, whereas I got the impression that you had no real idea about how you would be testing the ruleset (also, when I hear the term "playtest", it's totally different to the word "campaign")
48:26 <Wrothmonk> alright, I'm gone.
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48:45 <Mekkis> Longshot, ummm.. diebot has an SQL database behind it. The code I was dealing with is based on SQL, and how I'd program diebot to handle it
49:10 <Longshot> gotcha
50:11 <Longshot> So how long do you think a bard would last with no combat-related feat choices?
50:17 <Longshot> Die pretty quick or nah?
50:31 <Mekkis> depends how its played
50:45 <Longshot> Sit back and give speeches and carry flag.
51:04 <Longshot> Aid another for +2 to their attack roll from 10ft range when needed
51:08 <Longshot> use spells
51:11 <Longshot> be face.
52:27 <Mekkis> could work
52:44 <Mekkis> I find survivability is more based on the player than the character
52:58 <Mekkis> if you're Avatar, your survivability is lower than if you're Matt Goodall
53:07 <Longshot> haha yeah...
53:25 <Longshot> i almost died last game running ahead to try and find someone and ended up getting mauled by 4 zombies
53:28 <Longshot> who all had flanking
54:35 <Longshot> But at least it was in character..? haha
54:36 <Mekkis> if I were making a bard like you described, I'd actually focus on illusions
54:56 <Longshot> instead of enchantments?
55:02 <Mekkis> yeah
55:14 <Mekkis> most illusions are duration (concentration)
55:20 <Longshot> Being new to the game, I'm a bit confused on exactly how to use illusion type stuff in game
55:24 <Longshot> in combat situations
55:49 <Mekkis> everyone is
55:56 <Longshot> besides the obvious make it look like there is a dragon charging
56:07 <Mekkis> actually, illusions are a "Expect Table Variation" thing
56:07 <Longshot> but that seems like high level stuff
56:17 <Mekkis> so what works for on GM might not work for another
57:18 <Longshot> but like ghost sound
57:30 <Longshot> is that essentially to try and split up two guards or something?
57:38 <Longshot> thats the only real use i can think of
57:51 <Longshot> besides maybe whispering something to a teammate from a distance
57:57 <Longshot> like poor man's telepathy
58:00 <Mekkis> that's what Message is for
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58:16 <Mekkis> but what I look at is Silent Image, and that chain of spells
58:17 <Steven> ghost sound can be used to make it sounds like things are happening elsewhere
59:06 <Mekkis> message is fun because it's no save, no SR, and can be used to whisper in enemies' heads
59:32 <Steven> like you can be fighting people, and you can make it sound like theres more people incomming as reinforcements
59:47 <Mekkis> combine with a Silent image of a ghost
04:10 <Longshot> I don't see any disadvantages to the sound striker archetype whatsoever
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05:54 <Steven> you mean other than you're using a round of performance for 1d4+lvl
06:05 <Steven> of damage
06:40 <Longshot> I'm looking more at the level 6 bit
06:48 <Steven> its not bad
07:03 <Longshot> 1d8+CHA to up to ten targets
07:11 <Longshot> fort halves
07:29 <Steven> that takes a ranged touch to hit.
07:49 <Steven> its kinda meh.
07:51 <Longshot> it says its a performance, does that mean it repeats itself every turn?
08:06 <Longshot> and how does lingering performance affect it?
08:18 <Steven> lingering performance wont effect this one.
08:31 <Longshot> and its not like it replaces anything critical, just inspire competence and suggestion
08:45 <Steven> yeah... ive seen both of those come in handy
12:25 <Longshot> discordant voice looks like a great level 11 feat
12:50 <Longshot> allies within 30 feet all deal 1d6 extra sonic damage every time they hit while im performing
14:03 <Brunius> At 11...
15:19 <Longshot> wel, it stacks with other things yeah? 
15:33 <Longshot> its like a free dice of sneak attack that you don't have to be sneak attacking for 
16:15 <Steven> ive seen it used. its not a bad thing really
17:25 <Steven> with a full monk its actually pretty awesome
17:54 <Longshot> or archer
18:01 <Longshot> 5 shots on a full attack by level 11
18:28 <Steven> the party was naturally a bard, a monk, a guy who summoned things, a paladin, and my life oracle
18:59 <Steven> bard started that shit up, the summoning dude dropped like 4 lantern arcons a round
19:16 <Steven> just pew pew all day long
25:13 <Steven> woot woot headaches starting to fade
25:41 <Steven> that is a big bad waste of money since i naturally have a bite attack
26:26 <Wrothmonk> yeah but it puts it up to a d8 instead of a d6
28:20 <Steven> actually its a d3 for a tengu
28:21 <Wrothmonk> could be worth it since you cant exactly add enhancement bonuses to natural attacks without spells or special abilities.
28:45 <Steven> yes... you can, its called amulet of Mighty Fists
29:25 <Steven> get a +1 enhancement bonus to ALL natural and unarmed strike attacks.
29:27 <Wrothmonk> Oh
30:00 <Steven> but the higher level you get the less dice actually matter in determining damage
30:35 <Steven> the difference between a d3 and a d8 become rather small when you're adding +20-30 damage
31:08 <Wrothmonk> it wouldnt even be a d8, it would be the next die up so probably d4 instead of d3
42:55 <Steven> i think its time to clear out my character theory folder
44:50 <Steven> there.... i kept my tengu barb, melee wizard, mounted insanity, and a summoner build
46:03 <Steven> my summoner... I made Ellen Ripley
46:28 <Steven> and for those of you who dont know... thats the chick in aliens
57:58 <Longshot> So for 1 PP you can get +4 to any one skill check
58:01 <Longshot> how does that work?
58:11 <Longshot> literally just use once and gone?
59:25 <Brunius> Yup
59:51 <Steven> i need to finish the eidolon before i can play with her though... never gotten round to it
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05:56 <Blasticka> Hello everyone.
07:27 <Brunius> Hey
08:23 <Blasticka> So, I'm new to pathfinder but used to play dnd
08:39 <Brunius> Which version?
08:45 <Blasticka> are the saturday games the only ones you play?
09:00 <Brunius> There are others, but the saturday ones are our main games
09:23 <Blasticka> little bit of 3.5 but mostly I spent my time with DND online, couldn't find enough people local to play pen and paper reliably.
09:44 <Blasticka> I've been researching Pathfinder, and like what I see, just trying to find a place to play.
09:58 <Brunius> DDO has a rule system based off 3.5 (If not completely identical), and Pathfinder is pretty much a rebalancing of 3.5
10:17 <Brunius> Where are you? Most of us are in Australia, but there are a couple in America and I think we had a european in here at one point
10:22 <Blasticka> yes it wasn't too hard to do a character sheet I found a pdf file that helped.
10:29 <Blasticka> I live in Sterling SA
10:57 <Blasticka> near Adelaide hills
11:01 <Brunius> Ah yeah
11:16 <Brunius> We're mainly on the east coast
11:35 <Brunius> Any reason Saturdays are bad? We sometimes run other times.
11:51 <Blasticka> no saturdays are fine. they just aren't right now!
11:55 <Blasticka> lol
11:56 <Brunius> Ahhh
12:33 <Blasticka> I've been patient for like 3 or 4 years waiting to get a chance to play something like this and I am starting to get excited again
12:41 <Brunius> :D
13:00 <Blasticka> so how did you guys come to form this site?
13:10 <Brunius> Avatar, Ballig?
13:28 <Brunius> I don't know, actually, I've only been here three years. They formed it...7 years before that, I think?
13:42 <Brunius> Or maybe that was when they took over from the previous owner...
13:44 <Blasticka> ah so it's got some history. that's good.
14:11 <Blasticka> do the saturday games allow the use of featured races?
14:27 <Brunius> Most of our Saturday games are run under the Pathfinder Society ruleset
14:29 <Brunius> ?guide
14:29 <diebot> Brunius, Guide to the Pathfinder Society Organised Play, available at http://paizo.com/products/btpy84k4
14:36 <Brunius> Available there
14:39 <Blasticka> yep been reading through that
14:58 <Brunius> Which means that you can take the character you've been using here, play it in person, in the UK, in America, wherever
15:24 <Brunius> That only allows core races and 2-3 others, by default
15:45 <Brunius> I'd recommend you stick with core until you've played a couple of the scenarios, just to get a handle on how things happen in this campaign
16:04 <Brunius> Also: Humans are OP
16:14 <Longshot> quick interrupting question, what are the most important languages after common or is there a link to a thread about it? I can't seem to find one.
16:18 <Steven> there built
16:25 <Steven> back to the character theory folder
16:28 <Brunius> Uuuuh
16:33 <Blasticka> hello longshot
16:37 <Brunius> Tien, for Season 3 scenarios, don't know about Season 4
16:59 <Longshot> and hello blasticka :) glad to have ya aboard mate
17:16 <Blasticka> so, with the times on the site
17:41 <Brunius> They're all in AEST, if you sign up you can get them in your local timezone
17:43 <Blasticka> 1:30 pm your time would be what, 12pm my time?
17:57 <Blasticka> well I suppose I should sign up if it's free
18:04 <Brunius> AEST is GMT +10, ACST is +9:30
18:09 <Brunius> So you're half an hour behind us
18:12 <Blasticka> we are saving for our first house deposit
18:40 <Longshot> yes, its free mate
18:40 <Blasticka> so, for me it would be 1pm then
18:56 <Brunius> Longshot: For Season 4, try Thassilonian
18:59 <Brunius> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2knx8&page=1?Languages-in-Society-Games
19:00 <Longshot> all you need to play here are a few free downloads, a free account, and skype
19:14 <Blasticka> I have skype, so that shouldn't be a problem
19:26 <Brunius> What would be 1pm, Blasticka?
19:32 <Longshot> problem is I'll eb playing ALL The seasons :P
19:50 <Brunius> WotW is a more traditional campaign, and I don't think Mekkis is currently accepting new players, if that's what.
19:54 <Blasticka> 1:30 your time
20:24 <Brunius> I think there's a PFS game this saturday, 10am AEST
20:46 <Brunius> If you can raise yourself to consciousness at 9:30 on a Saturday
21:52 <Blasticka> that's difficult for me, I rarely wake up before noon
22:16 <Blasticka> but that could change in the next month or two we'll have to see
22:21 <Blasticka> afk briefly
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26:17 <Brunius> http://bash.org/?16544
27:29 <Blasticka> so what do I need to download? I've registered and logged in
28:17 <Brunius> You'll want a proper IRC client, such as mIRC, icechat, or x-chat
28:23 <Brunius> You'll need DevCA
28:24 <Brunius> ?CA
28:28 <Brunius> ?devCA
28:30 <Brunius> ?DevCA
28:35 <Brunius> ?devca
28:37 <Brunius> someday I'll find it
29:31 <Brunius> ?ca
29:31 <diebot> Brunius, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/DevCA22b135.zip
29:58 <Brunius> Other than that, as far as playing goes, you won't need anything. For building a character, you can use the prd.
30:44 <Blasticka> what about teamspeak does that count?
31:02 <Brunius> We don't use teamspeak, we use skype
31:10 <Brunius> We can't really interface the two all that easily
31:18 <Blasticka> well I have skype so that is fine
31:47 <Blasticka> what is the irc client for if you use skype?
32:01 <Brunius> Mainly dice rolls
32:03 <Brunius> !throw 1d20
32:03 <diebot> Brunius, 1d20: [1d20=11] 11
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35:15 <Blasticka> hmm I may have disconnected
35:21 <Brunius> ?
35:29 <Blasticka> nope guess not
35:52 <Blasticka> so I think I have the DevCa
36:10 <Blasticka> which chat do you think I should get?
36:36 <Brunius> I personally use x-chat 2, but most of the people in here use mIRC
36:55 <Blasticka> is it on the honor system for what you rolled?
37:05 <Blasticka> or is everyone in the same chat room?
37:15 <Brunius> We generally play in here
37:21 <Brunius> So you roll it in here
37:30 <Brunius> !throw 1d20+5 attack; 2d6+4 damage
37:31 <diebot> Brunius, attack: [1d20=18] 23; damage: [2d6=2,3] 9
37:33 <Brunius> for example
38:07 <Blasticka> !throw 1d20+5 attack; 2d6+4 damage
38:07 <diebot> Blasticka, attack: [1d20=13] 18; damage: [2d6=1,4] 9
38:20 <Blasticka> cool.
38:33 <Blasticka> so you really don't need mIRC
38:57 <Brunius> mIRC has more features than mibbit, which is what I think you're using?
39:21 <Brunius> It's a program that does the same thing as the javascript you're running in a browser
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41:50 <Blasticka> Register <B3n1ah77> <[email protected]>
42:07 <Blasticka> oh bother
43:00 <Brunius> You don't need the arrows
43:23 <Brunius> you'd want /register B3n1ah77 [email protected] in that case
43:35 <Blasticka> is there I way to delete a post? lol
43:35 <Brunius> possible with another s
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43:39 <Brunius> Nope
43:45 <Brunius> It's forever recorded in our chat logs
43:51 <Brunius> (Muahahahaha)
44:02 <Blasticka> sigh. gonna have to change a couple passwords. :-P
44:18 <Brunius> I've done that far too many times
44:43 <Brunius> For a while I'd start up the computer, and this would open on one screen, and steam, skype, etc. on the other
45:04 <Brunius> So I'd try to log in on steam/skype etc. and it would focus on this window every damn time
45:16 <Brunius> Went through about five passwords before I taught it not to
47:24 <Blasticka> so, who wants to play?
47:46 <Blasticka> surely we have at least 3 people lurking?
48:00 <Brunius> A game would take 4-6 hours, maybe longer
48:16 <Brunius> That puts it at finish 1am for most people, which is less than ideal for a wednesday
48:22 <Blasticka> awwww
48:50 <Brunius> If you'd rocked up three hours earlier they might have! I think someone was calling for a game then.
48:57 <Blasticka> *uses once per day power of super Puppy dog eyes*
49:07 <Blasticka> pwwweeeeaaase?
49:15 * Brunius switches tabs
50:46 <Blasticka> man. usually that power never fails
52:49 <Longshot> is finding haleen PFS allowed?
53:29 <Brunius> Is what
53:42 <Longshot> ?finding haleen
53:53 <Brunius> What is it
53:58 <Brunius> &finding haleen
53:59 <Longshot> trait
54:04 <Brunius> Source?
54:14 <Longshot> legacy of fire
54:29 <Longshot> i don't know if its on those pages that are allowed or not for traits :P
54:31 <Brunius> page number?
54:34 <Longshot> wondering if anyone had the sourcebook
54:37 <Brunius> Well you'll need to find out
54:42 <Blasticka> I've been unable to download the pdf from paizo that explains it
54:51 <Blasticka> even though it says it is free
55:22 <spider21b> hi
55:28 <Blasticka> hello
55:53 <Longshot> nope, not allowed
56:04 <Blasticka> 4 people! that is almost enough for a game
56:12 <Brunius> Four is enough
56:15 <Blasticka> who here has to wake up early tomorrow?
56:15 <Brunius> If you have a willing DM
56:18 <Brunius> Me
57:16 <Blasticka> yes you are the willing dm!
57:23 <Blasticka> muahahahaha
57:39 <Longshot> it is already early tomorrow for me
57:41 <Longshot> haha
57:44 <Longshot> 7 AM
58:01 <Brunius> I don't have anything prepped, don't own anything a level 1 can play, and have to get up in 9 hours time. Spending 6 of those playing pathfinder is not the plan.
58:22 <Blasticka> :-P
58:28 <Blasticka> I'm just being silly mostly
59:12 <Longshot> aw, but im so close to level 2 ;)
00:07 <spider21b> awww
00:33 <Brunius> One of you guys can GM
00:48 <Blasticka> I could try. never GM'd before
00:59 <Longshot> im absolutely 100% kidding about playing a game. It may be 7 AM but i still need to get at least an hour or 3 of sleep in
01:33 <Blasticka> in that case, I think I'll hit up some league of legends for a little late night gaming
01:52 <spider21b> playing ktor2 for late night gaming xd
01:53 <Blasticka> been nice meeting you all though
02:04 <Blasticka> hope to game with you another time.
02:15 <Longshot> see ya!
02:27 <Brunius> l8rzzzzzzz
02:27 <Blasticka> adios!
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03:08 <Longshot> well crap
03:10 <Brunius> Obligator "He won't be back"
03:28 <Brunius> why do I keep dropping letters
03:46 <Longshot> I think i'm going to have to go with 15 lb armor to make light encumbrance :(
04:05 <Brunius> How vital is it that you get light encumbrance?
04:27 <Longshot> is there an arcane spell miss chance for medium encumbrance or just medium armor?
04:57 <Longshot> depends on the answer to that question
05:11 <Brunius> Medium	+3	–3	20 ft.	15 ft.	×4
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05:18 <Brunius> That's what happens if you get medium encumbrance
07:05 <Longshot> thats it?
07:22 <Longshot> no minus whatsoever to arcane casting?
07:38 <Brunius> Sorry, +3 max dex, -3 ACP, reduced speed and reduced run
08:05 <Brunius> that's a 20ft speed if you were 30ft, 15 if you were 20, and run stays at x4
08:17 <Longshot> is the -3 armor check penalty on top of the penalty from armor??? :o
08:33 <Brunius> I believe so.
08:40 <Brunius> It's just marked as a check penalty, actuall
08:42 <Brunius> y
08:57 <Longshot> so yes, its imperative I stay at light encumbrance then
09:01 <Longshot> that can't be how it works
09:20 <Longshot> or people in heavy armor would be taking an extra -3 always unless they had like strength 30
09:31 <Brunius> !findchar Bairaq
09:31 <diebot> Brunius, Character: Bairaq, number: 333( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=333 )
09:34 <Longshot> and the checks are already like -9 for heavy armor or some stupid shit like that
09:47 <Brunius> -5 for full plate
09:56 <Brunius> (that might be with the masterwork bonus added)
10:01 <Longshot> So i'm exaggerating, but still
10:14 <Brunius> I'm easily on light
10:17 <Longshot> full plate would definitely put you over light just by itself
10:33 <Brunius> Full plate weighs 50
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10:39 <Brunius> Light for me is 86
10:43 <Brunius> 16 str
11:01 <Longshot> so full plate is 50
11:09 <Longshot> meh, i guess so
11:31 <Longshot> so essentially you have to take strength 14 or 15+ if you want to wear armor
11:32 <Longshot> great
12:04 <Brunius> Well the people wearing the best armour are going to be the melee combatants, who are going to have high str anyway
12:08 <Longshot> die by the sword, or die by drowning/falling. which to pick, which to pick
12:08 <Longshot> haha
13:34 <Longshot> just found a thread about it
13:38 <Longshot> they don't stack, thank god
13:47 <Longshot> you pick whichever of the two is worse
13:52 <Longshot> same with maximum dex
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27:00 <longshot> hello all
27:11 <Mekkis> moin
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56:23 <longshot> how does the horn of valhalla work in PFS?
14:00 <longshot> Pathfinder Chronicle prestige class says “Levels in this class (PfC) stack with levels in any other class that grants a similar ability to determine her effective bard level.” Does the mean if I take bard AND another class with bard like abilities, both will level up with each level of pathfinder chronicler?
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23:26 <Brunius> Yeah
24:04 <Brunius|M> Maybe
34:32 <spider21b> hi
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