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00:11 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
00:13 <Ampera> hahaha
00:54 <Ampera> It is an interesting time to be getting into cars, as we may well be in the last couple decades of the gas car, as electric become more and more viable
04:04 <Ysjoelfir> well.. not in germanistan, the land where politicians want renewable energy yet at the same time go and bill people extra who create renewable energy.
04:20 <Ysjoelfir> also most people here don't have a house, so no way to charge those things
05:02 <Ysjoelfir> at least I don't want to drive like 15 kilometers just to recharge and having to stay there for who knows how long.
05:55 <Ampera> The main issue here is longer trips, which plenty of people never do
06:20 <Ampera> If you're doing switch person driving from Maine to Florida, electric ain't gonna do shit for you
08:08 <rust_collector> i would not mind a small simple electric car. just to go to work and back, which is 99.34% of my driving
08:50 <rust_collector> but... they are not exactly free
12:16 <Ysjoelfir> sure, but you have a house and can charge that thing overnight :D also, your electricity is basically free
12:38 <rust_collector> well, I can also charge it at work, lol
13:11 <rust_collector> I mean, the wife has a large-ish car, if we need that. most of the time, I do not
15:26 <Ampera> Gas is also incredibly cheap here which is one mark against the electric car
15:53 <Ampera> During the height of covid, some places had prices as low as 1.50$/4l
16:10 <Ampera> but normal prices are usually 2-2.75$/4l
16:13 <Ysjoelfir> thats basically what 1 liter costs here when its cheap
20:04 <Ampera> That's why my car can probably do maybe 6 miles/liter on a good day
20:09 <Ampera> eevblog convert 6 miles to km
20:10 <EEVBlog> The result is: 9.656 km
20:41 <Ampera> also I want to make it known, I will kick the next person to use the unit of liters per 100km
20:52 <Ampera> as it's the single stupidest unit I've ever heard of
21:02 <Ampera> and I live in a nation perpetually derided for its stupid units
21:08 <TheDude> Ampera, come at me, bitch
21:09 <rust_collector> yep, it sounds weird
21:15 <Ampera> TheDude, don't test me
21:33 * TheDude pours liters of diesel on Ampera
21:35 <Ysjoelfir> I agree with that, basically. sadly its the standard here
21:41 <TheDude> that shoud last you at least 20km
21:47 <Ampera> What kinda fucking unit is that
22:08 <Ampera> you can't even convert it to km/liter without breaking out the pen and paper
22:25 <TheDude> who gives a shit about kilometers per litre
22:29 <Ampera> units should not have numbers in them
22:34 <rust_collector> We have "mil" up here, which is 10km. I grew up with liter per "mil" but now they are talking about l/100km, and kw and stuff
22:36 <TheDude> no u
23:18 <TheDude> the only reason they write it as l/100km is because it gives you nice, easy to perceive numbers
23:33 <TheDude> per km would be in the tens of millilitres
23:52 <TheDude> and people are dumb, so ml->l is tricky for the slow ones
23:53 <Ampera> that's why I said per liter
23:54 <Ampera> you moron
24:02 <TheDude> per liter is dumb
24:04 <Ampera> how many km can you go with one liter of fuel
24:06 <Ampera> you're dumb
24:21 <TheDude> how many liters am I going to use if I drive 250km?
24:31 <TheDude> jog on, mate
24:40 <Ampera> what's your mileage >:D
25:02 <TheDude> your units are such a joke, that you need to define them with our units :3
25:30 <Ampera> if the car gets 10km/liter then you use 25 liters of fuel to go 250km
25:32 <Ampera> wow that was hard
26:03 <TheDude> now do 12.73km/l
26:23 <rust_collector> why? my uses much more than that
26:31 <TheDude> also 10km/l is a rather shitty fuel consumption
26:41 <Ampera> how many liters will you use if you consume 26.52liters of fuel every 100 km if you go 632 km
26:50 <Ampera> TheDude, welcome to America
26:58 <TheDude> what the fuck?
27:06 <Ampera> that's what my car makes, and it's about average
27:09 <TheDude> 26.52 l/100km
27:12 <TheDude> that's fucking absurd
27:20 <Ampera> it's a number I came up with
27:27 <Ampera> but now instead of two numbers to deal with, you have three
27:38 <TheDude> maybe you screwed up your conversion when you were using inferior units
27:43 <Ampera> if you say two, one is now a fraction of a fraction
27:49 <TheDude> or your car might just be incredibly inefficient
28:02 <Ampera> we have trucks and some cars that'd do that low
28:03 <Ysjoelfir> thats roughly the amount my old truck needed, being a long, 5.5 tons heavy flat wall being pushed by a 90HP gas engine
28:14 <TheDude> 6.32 * 26.52 is simple enough
28:17 <Ampera> my car get around 20-28MPG
28:30 <TheDude> durr, doesn't parse
28:56 <Ampera> 250km / 12.73 is at least equally as easy
29:09 <rust_collector> 26.52 is around what I get in "my" sort of new truck, if it is around 30-35 tonnes
29:11 <TheDude> multiplication is simpler than division by default
29:36 <TheDude> rust_collector, are we talking about a lorry here?
29:37 <Ampera> you're not going to do either in your head, and on paper it doesn't matter
29:41 <rust_collector> as long as it is pretty flat
29:45 <rust_collector> TheDude, yes
29:49 <TheDude> Ampera, yes you are going to do them in your head
29:53 <TheDude> that's the fucking point ffs :D
30:05 <Ampera> alright, do 6.32 * 26.52 in your head, no paper
30:06 <TheDude> my car uses about 7l/100km
30:24 <TheDude> if I'm going on a 400km trip, I expect it to suck about 28l of fuel
30:50 <TheDude> about 160-ish
30:56 <Ampera> ish isn't good enough
30:58 <TheDude> make it 170ish
31:04 <TheDude> it's plenty good enough
31:37 <TheDude> calc says 167,6
31:55 <Ampera> 250km / 12.73 is 20ish
32:00 <TheDude> 1.4% off the mark
32:04 <Ampera> I can do ish just as easily
32:27 <rust_collector> I think I will try to make my corolla-rolla running a bit longer. it uses around 37. I don't think I can afford to get something else
32:51 <TheDude> 37 what?
32:56 <rust_collector> I dunno?
33:01 <TheDude> units, ffs
33:05 <K> pidgeions
33:07 <Ampera> 37 units then
33:07 <rust_collector> yes, units, right
33:41 <TheDude> speaking of fuel consumption
33:42 <Ampera> 37 ounces of fuel per 1/16th of a mile
33:46 <rust_collector> some of that euro-unit stuff. I dunno?
33:57 <TheDude> my 90HP shitbox uses just over 7l/100km
34:06 <rust_collector> mine is also 90hp
34:18 <Ampera> my car is a 170hp 231cu V6
34:19 <TheDude> dad's car when driven by me uses just over 8l
34:24 <TheDude> and that one hauls ass
34:25 <Ampera> *cu -> ci
34:41 <TheDude> and mine is a lazy little shit
34:41 <rust_collector> I like cui
34:49 <Ampera> yeah it's a nice unit
34:51 <Ampera> shame we don't use it anymore
35:03 <TheDude> in conclusion, I HATE underpowered cars
35:49 <TheDude> speaking of which
35:51 <rust_collector> I like underpowered cars. it makes me whip them pretty hard.
36:02 <Ysjoelfir> my shittank has 170HP and uses 10.5. so I'm somehow in the middle of you all? :D
36:14 <TheDude> I nearly smashed mine today when an idiot in a van made a U turn and blocked 2 lanes without even looking twice
36:23 <Ampera> I have no clue what my car does in your silly units
36:42 <rust_collector> 1.1 l/mil
36:45 <TheDude> this sounds like a job for EEVBlog bot
36:50 <rust_collector> Is my opinion
36:53 <Ampera> 24MPG(ish) -> 6MPL -> 10KML
36:58 <TheDude> a shame I put his ass on ignore
37:18 <Ampera> so 10L/100KM
37:21 <Ysjoelfir> 9.5km per liters
37:26 <TheDude> speaking of our unitary superiority
37:26 <Ysjoelfir> for mine
37:34 <TheDude> let's say I'm going on a 250km trip
37:42 <rust_collector> Ampera, I think your car should get fairly ok mpg at a steady highway speed. maybe not great around town....
37:42 <TheDude> I can easily convert that to litres of fuel
37:52 <TheDude> and I can then easily convert that to fuel cost
38:01 <Ampera> rust_collector, these are just official numbers
38:06 <Ampera> it'll do whatever the fuck it wants probably
38:14 <TheDude> just two multiplications which can be done in the head
38:19 <TheDude> neener neener, Ampera
38:43 <Ampera> TheDude, have you ever stopped to realize the US has been using SI for decades, have defined our customary units on it, and don't care that other nations are too stupid to deal with customary units?
38:45 <TheDude> speaking of which
38:47 <Ampera> We work with both systems perfectly fine
39:01 <Ampera> well, until you give that shit to lockheed
39:03 <TheDude> except you don't :)
39:11 <Ampera> I do
39:14 <TheDude> *YOU* do
39:18 <Ampera> we're free to use whatever units we want is my point
39:23 <TheDude> your average compatriot doesn't
39:35 <Ampera> depends on the case
39:40 <Ampera> for most household purposes, nobody cares
39:43 <TheDude> it really doesn't
39:52 <Ampera> in plenty of trades, both units are used commonly
39:57 <TheDude> I can also use most US units without much hassle
40:12 <TheDude> most Slovenians, not so much
40:30 <Ampera> Most Americans don't use any units in their day jobs.
40:53 <Ampera> for situations where units are important, especially in trade, science, and technology, SI is the most common option
41:04 <TheDude> ofc
41:18 <Ampera> in customary and daily life situations like shopping, some construction, legacy applications, cooking, and driving, our units are most common
41:21 <TheDude> traceability to the primary standards and all of that good shit
41:31 <Ampera> you'll see gallon milk jugs in the same store at 2L soda bottles
41:53 <Ampera> We keep our old units around because we like them, they're unique, and can confuse the heck out of foreigners
42:11 <TheDude> nah, you keep them because you're used to them
42:20 <Ampera> Isn't that the same thing?
42:26 <TheDude> and switching now would cause a great deal of stress/confusion
42:27 <K> those are your special units!
42:33 <Ampera> Switching what
42:33 <TheDude> which is understandable, ofc
42:37 <K> you can have them.
42:39 <TheDude> to metric
42:41 <Ampera> What would we switch
42:46 <Ampera> we already have
42:52 <Ampera> wherever it matters, we are using the SI
42:53 <TheDude> units of volume, weight, distance
42:57 <Ampera> already done
42:59 <Ampera> ages ago too
43:10 <Ampera> They're in common and official use
43:10 <TheDude> no, talking about common use by average everyday people
43:16 <Ampera> You can't switch that
43:23 <TheDude> like going to the gas station and filling up a tank of gas in litres instead of gallons
43:25 <Ampera> People are free to measure things however they like
43:42 <Ampera> People are free to sell gas by liter if they want, best I know
43:50 <Ampera> Nobody is forcing them to use gallons
44:04 <TheDude> no, but most common folk there would expect gallons, so that's what is used
44:12 <Ampera> Almost every single product on store shelves is dual marked in US and SI
44:28 <Ampera> So I ask again, what are you going to change, people's opinions?
44:34 <Ampera> There's no master government switch to flip here
44:42 <Ampera> If there was, it's already been done
44:43 <TheDude> no, the go-to units that people commonly use
45:02 <TheDude> like baking a cake with grams of flour instead of ounces
45:13 <Ampera> we don't use ounces of flour
45:14 <Ampera> we use cups
45:21 <TheDude> or, god forbid, to stop using ridiculous units of volume
45:32 <Ampera> but you're talking about household uses
45:39 <Ampera> you can't force people to change how they bake their cakes
45:47 <Ampera> there's nothing anyone can do to change that
46:14 <TheDude> right, my point exactly
46:17 <TheDude> you'd need to actively need to push that to get a transition
46:21 <Ampera> but why would you
46:35 <Ampera> what possible advantage would that bring to people's lives
46:46 <Ampera> people are quite content baking their cakes the way they know how, if that's US or SI units
46:55 <rust_collector> well, no, they don't need to. they have the units they need. it works fine
47:19 <Ampera> This is what makes the, haha, US uses US units, thing stupid
47:30 <Ampera> because there's not a damn thing anyone can or should do to change the places we do use them
47:31 <TheDude> right, which is exactly the point I'm trying to make
47:40 <Ampera> and for everywhere it matters, it's already changed
47:52 <TheDude> there isn't going to be a 'real' switch to SI units until the common folk start using them on a daily basis
47:58 <TheDude> and that's not likely ever to happen
48:03 <rust_collector> right
48:10 <Ampera> that's fine though
48:22 <Ampera> it doesn't mean the US only uses US units, we use both systems
48:43 <TheDude> you keep repeating that, yes, we get it
49:14 <TheDude> but when you say we, you mean the select portion of the population that actually has to deal with SI units as well
49:22 <Ampera> No, I mean everyone
49:24 <TheDude> I dare say that the majority still doesn't
49:28 <Ampera> you cannot buy something in a supermarket that isn't marked in SI
49:42 <Ampera> You can't even buy drugs that are marked in US units
50:05 <Ampera> Every car dash for decades has both MPH and KPH on the speedo
50:05 <TheDude> that doesn't mean that the common housewife knows or cares about what 473ml means
50:18 <Ampera> Means the same as about two quarts
50:58 <Ampera> and while that housewife may not know the conversion, they'd have a heck of a time buying half ounce per tablet tums
51:17 <TheDude> tums?
51:22 <Ampera> calcium carbonate
51:37 <TheDude> okay
51:40 <Ampera> I don't know what the 1000mg dose is in ounces exactly
51:43 <Ampera> just guessed
52:16 <Ampera> also 473ml isn't about two quarts, it's about a pint
52:27 <TheDude> it's exactly a pint
52:31 <TheDude> or 16 floz
53:00 <Ysjoelfir> my bread machine arrived! \o/
53:15 <rust_collector> NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
53:35 <TheDude> ha
55:02 <rust_collector> so, 4 cups of flour, 1 baggie of yeast, 355ml of water, a splash of oil, and 2 seconds of salt-sprinkling... then press the IO button
55:41 <rust_collector> do they use IO buttons any more?
56:02 <Ampera> what is an IO button
56:05 <Ampera> on/off?
56:08 <rust_collector> yes
56:17 <Ampera> yes, I'm fairly sure we have buttons to turn things on and off
56:26 <rust_collector> they used to have an O with an I inside, sort of
56:31 <Ampera> we never had that
56:37 <Ampera> our IO buttons had an I and an O
56:39 <Ampera> and were also switches
56:42 <Ampera> like on PSUs
57:01 <TheDude> sounds like US customary buttons to me
57:03 <Ysjoelfir> in this one the button is labelled with START/Stop (yes, exactly like that)
57:09 <rust_collector> https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Power_symbol
57:15 <Ampera> oh
57:17 <Ampera> yeah we have those
57:24 <rust_collector> ok, that one looks more like an UI
57:24 <Ampera> I thought you meant a different symbol
57:35 <Ampera> we just call that the power symbol (or a power button)
57:40 <rust_collector> sure
57:52 <Ampera> an IO button/switch will have an I and an O next to each other
57:59 <Ampera> as oppose to an I fully inside an O, which what I thought you meant
58:00 <TheDude> careful not to confuse it with the white power symbol
58:13 <rust_collector> I also like to talk about 710 measuring sticks, and... things
58:34 <Ampera> 👌
59:44 <TheDude> oh sweet, didn't know unicode supported that
59:44 <Ampera> as opposed to the black power symbol, which is ✊
59:56 <TheDude> haha, I have a meme for that
59:58 <TheDude> hold on
00:22 * Ysjoelfir freezes
00:25 <rust_collector> nah, memes are filtered on this channel
01:01 <Ampera> I wish I had a picture of it, but the stupidest thing I saw was a sign which had a rainbow flag behind a black power symbol
01:20 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ax24p1zvu51g4aq/1594698663684m.jpg?raw=1
01:22 <rust_collector> bbc powah!
02:10 <Ysjoelfir> lol
02:40 <TheDude> :D
04:11 <rust_collector> which reminds me of that asian guy, who made the BBC workout videos. that was sort of entertaining
04:43 <TheDude> speaking of working out
04:49 <rust_collector> no nono
05:08 <rust_collector> just have some more coffee. it will be ok
05:34 <TheDude> the corona thing really screwed up my physical activity as the gyms got closed down
05:56 <TheDude> so my mates and I all bought some gym equipment and have been doing workouts together over zoom
06:05 <Ampera> I hate gyms
06:11 <Ampera> they're the most boring, depressing places on earth
06:13 <TheDude> and it's not actually that bad, I must say
06:24 <TheDude> Ampera, you've just been going to the wrong gyms then :)
06:40 <Ampera> what do you do in a gym, you sit/stand/whatever in one place for ages doing nothing but moving
06:57 <TheDude> I never actually do the exercises on those stationary gym machines
07:10 <Ampera> there's nothing you gain beyond exercise, nothing interesting about it beyond maybe a TV
07:10 <TheDude> I go to group classes where they do the Les Mills stuff
07:18 <TheDude> it's rather fun and effective
07:31 <Ampera> I'd rather do manual labor
07:42 <TheDude> not the same effect, not even close
07:49 <rust_collector> I tried to go to the guy a few time, but... nah, it is not for me
07:49 <Ampera> as then I get paid, I've created or done something, and I've still exercised
08:33 <TheDude> yeah, but you didn't have fun :)
08:37 <Ampera> Of course I did
08:43 <rust_collector> well, that depends on what effect you are going for, I guess?
08:51 <Ampera> The fun comes from learning and knowing you've done something
08:56 <TheDude> the whole point of going to a gym, as opposed to exercising at home is the social aspect of it
09:02 <Ampera> a couple weeks ago I helped my neighbor redo part of his garage roof
09:24 <TheDude> I'm missing a comma in there, but then again, you're used to my weak punctuation by now
09:24 <rust_collector> the gyms I have been in, have been the most antisocial places I have seen
09:26 <Ampera> It had a social aspect, I talked and enjoy company of my neighbor and one of his friends, while I shoveled shingles
09:39 <Ampera> TheDude, I don't even notice it
09:46 <Ampera> nobody cares about punctuation on IRC
09:57 <TheDude> right
10:39 <TheDude> anyhow, there are more or less the same people that do those les mills exercises at the gym
10:59 <TheDude> so you get to know people
11:07 <TheDude> chit chat before the exercises start
11:27 <TheDude> you can also chat in the locker room afterwards
11:34 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, whats the male variant of Brunhilde?
11:47 <TheDude> also there's plenty of attractive girls in there
11:59 <rust_collector> I am not sure about german gods, sorry
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12:20 <Ampera> Attractive anyone isn't an incentive for me
12:23 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know about that at all :D I meant just the name
12:47 <rust_collector> brown henry
12:51 <rust_collector> I dunno?
14:01 <TheDude> welp, I think the anesthetic that I got earlier has just about finished numbing my mouth
14:07 <TheDude> might as well go get something to eat now
14:32 <rust_collector> a handfull of painkillers, before you start to need them
14:46 <TheDude> huh? no
14:57 <TheDude> why would I need them?
15:15 <TheDude> the job is done, the cavity has been filled and taken care of
15:42 <TheDude> the gums are going to be slightly sore for a day or two, but that's about it
15:46 <Ampera> I've been listening to some of the albums to the different songs I have on my big playlist of songs I like
15:53 <Ampera> now on Four Tops, and they're really good
16:21 <Ampera> I've found I really enjoy Motown
16:51 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll call it "Brunhold"
17:23 <TheDude> www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccfbPQNMbg&t=16s
17:40 <TheDude> spotify showed me this song the other day
17:57 <TheDude> and it's so fucking uplifting \o/
18:30 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=zuuyR7vrL6M
18:37 <Ampera> then give us the version without potato audio
18:58 <Ampera> sounds pretty good though
19:13 <TheDude> the music video is kinda good, though :)
19:27 <Ampera> not in 2009 Youtube-o-vision
19:32 <TheDude> I've seen their live performances
19:49 <TheDude> they fucking party hard on stage
20:06 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kzX8Fuvw071YgtJfaEIX5xUNcLzNxxzDw this is the Four Tops playlist I was talking about
20:09 <Ampera> er, album
20:15 <Ampera> YouTube Music just has them as playlists
20:19 <TheDude> I'll check it out later :)
21:58 <Ampera> I've also been listening to https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRtLs1K5cIYc0-Tr-ODy-c-H8vW1dD5zI
24:30 <rust_collector> TheDude, do you have any interesting bands down there?
24:49 <TheDude> to be quite honest, not many
24:53 <TheDude> at least not that I'm aware of
25:19 <rust_collector> I can not think of any... I am sure there is something
25:42 <TheDude> there's Siddharta, which are rather decent
25:51 <TheDude> but beyond that, I'm drawing blanks
26:37 <TheDude> there's a shitton of great German metal bands
26:47 <TheDude> I listen to them a fair bit
27:18 <Ampera> I think Yugoslavia did well in the ESC the one time they won
27:21 * Ampera ducks for cover
28:28 <TheDude> that song was rather catchy
28:45 <TheDude> also wouldn't mind hearing it on the radio here and there
28:48 <Ampera> I have no taste in music, so I enjoyed it
28:56 <TheDude> which can't be said for the more recent ESC winners
29:03 <Ampera> I think there's been some good songs on the ESC
29:06 <rust_collector> I like tasteless music
29:11 <TheDude> Ampera, not many
29:24 <Ampera> I don't think the ESC not having many great songs is that recent
29:41 <TheDude> no, they have always sucked rather hard
29:58 <TheDude> if you're too shit of a musician to make it on your own, you take your shot at ESC
30:02 <Ampera> France Gall was good in 1965
31:03 <Ampera> I also enjoy Tu te reconnaîtras, also from Luxembourg
31:12 <Ampera> I believe that was 1973's winner
31:33 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu3Aa1zZsiw
31:39 <rust_collector> ok, time for something
32:25 <TheDude> eh, not my cup of tea
32:56 <rust_collector> good, because it is not tea
32:58 <Ampera> https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZAQiOU60A
33:03 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE4BxPwu4zI
33:03 <Ampera> er
33:07 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=4AZAQiOU60A
33:31 <TheDude> Ampera, video unavailable :/
33:49 <Ampera> well stop being Hungarian or whatever >:(
34:07 <Ampera> try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHxfOZH8cew
34:20 <TheDude> yeah, found that one
34:32 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5DuvmjgZhE
34:41 <Ampera> YouTube Music's uploads sometimes work outside of the US, sometimes don't
35:01 <Ampera> rust_collector, that's a shitty album
35:09 <rust_collector> yep
36:08 <TheDude> Sabaton are rather awesome, IMO
36:27 <TheDude> unlike most metal bands, they don't sing about fantasy or things like that
36:33 <TheDude> but about real war history
36:49 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=FJwbmpoCOgE
36:55 <TheDude> and they describe the story from a unique, personal point of view
37:28 <TheDude> and it doesn't matter which side
37:55 <TheDude> some stupid cunts even accuse them of being supporters of nazism, because some of their songs talk about them
38:23 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLJiyZELtcA
38:30 <TheDude> this is one of them
38:51 <TheDude> it's about Erwin Rommel's 7th tank division that resulted in the evacuation of Dunkirk
39:34 <TheDude> they circled the allied forces with incredible speed and trapped them on the shore of Normandy
40:02 * electrohead cranks up cannibal corpse
40:16 <TheDude> alright, I really should prepare some food now
40:24 <TheDude> my stomach is complaining
40:34 <electrohead> tell it to stfu?
40:36 <electrohead> lol
40:37 <electrohead> morning o/
40:53 <Ampera> I never listened to Sabaton because they're nazi sympathizers
40:53 * Ysjoelfir counter-attacks mr. head with Tarkan!
41:03 <electrohead> \m/
41:05 <Ampera> I don't even know why they're not in prison
41:29 <rust_collector> because they are swedish.
42:05 <rust_collector> sweden always wanted to be nazis.
42:27 <Ampera> let
42:31 <Ampera> 's nuke sweden then
42:34 <Ampera> they deserve it probably
44:46 <Ysjoelfir> I don't realy agree with the sabaton nazi sympathisation thing. if you read them up and take a look at ALL their songs, not only the ones about 3rd reich, you will notice that they sing about all sorts of war things and the great and bad things they achieved.
48:15 <hsn> Well i dont agree with u Ysjoelfir
48:40 <Ampera> Yeah, they sang about nazis, that means they're nazis
48:43 <Ampera> and should be hung
48:53 <Ampera> I like people who are hung
49:11 <hsn> Ampera i also dont agree with u .. u just want to kill ppl we all know
49:24 <Ampera> people should be killed, it's much funner that way
49:56 <hsn> Do u like to get killed
50:15 <Ampera> oh certainly
50:19 <hsn> Why u r alive ?
50:28 <Ampera> because I got killed to many times I got back alived
50:38 <hsn> R u a cat
50:44 <Ampera> that's that, pat
51:16 <hsn> Ic
52:08 <Ysjoelfir> why don't you agree with me, hsn? just out of principle, or because you just hate me? :D
52:15 <Ysjoelfir> also, I agree with the killing thing
52:42 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: u started disagreement and i just wanted to do u same what u do to others
53:30 <hsn> Despite that I ve certeinly no idea what r nazi thing ppl u talking about
56:02 <Ysjoelfir> So its just because you hate me. Ok, thats fine :)
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00:36 <K> funner?
00:41 <K> FUNNER?!??!111
05:58 <hsn> Hate u ? U gross me Ysjoelfir idk whats after hate .. xD
09:01 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: i love u if u were a girl i would marry u lol
13:29 <TheDude> lol
13:49 <TheDude> poor guy didn't even get an "ok" to his confession of love
14:09 <TheDude> so
14:28 <TheDude> a coworker just informed me that the company gifts arrived to the office
14:42 <TheDude> a bottle of oil and a wedge of cheese
14:59 <TheDude> except the problem is that the gifts arrived in the afternoon, by the time everyone was already gone
15:18 <TheDude> so the coworker is now unpacking like 40-50 packets and putting the cheese in the fridge
15:25 <TheDude> so it doesn't spoil
15:31 <TheDude> :D
15:40 <TheDude> poor bloke
17:19 <TheDude> my food is in preparation, so all is good
17:27 <Ampera> oil is a strange gift, especially in combination with cheese
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17:39 <TheDude> it's a bottle of good olive oil
17:42 <TheDude> it's not a strange gift
17:46 <K> what oil?
17:48 <Ampera> it would be here
17:58 <K> chainsaw? gun?
18:04 <TheDude> can you not read?
18:10 <K> i was busy typing
18:32 <TheDude> you shouldn't be looking at the keyboard when you're doing it then
18:55 <K> no u
19:04 <TheDude> no U
20:07 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aoa9iffqshf877k/virtualbox_arch_16_12_2020_16_19_43.png?raw=1
20:14 <TheDude> I made nano colorful :3
20:27 <Ampera> cool
20:36 <Ampera> you want help doing a kernel compile?
20:44 <TheDude> also fixed the tab indentation
20:58 <TheDude> I would like that, just not yet
21:16 <Ampera> alright, whenever you do, let me know
21:20 <Ampera> I can also help you set up X if you want it
21:30 <TheDude> I think I still need to get a bit more comfortable in CLI before doing anything of the sort
21:49 <Ampera> I'd suggest at least looking into X so you can run multiple terminals at once
21:53 <TheDude> otherwise I feel like I might just be repeating the commands that you tell me and not actually truly follow along
22:06 <Ampera> there's very few commands
22:30 <Ampera> you just need to download all the build tools, an AUR helper, and then you do yay -S linux-lts44 (or whatever)
22:31 <TheDude> no, just grasping the whole concept of linux as such
22:39 <Ampera> ah
22:51 <Ampera> Well, have fun I suppose
22:53 <K> can't you just switch virtual pts'es?
22:55 <TheDude> I now downloaded gcc and some other compiler stuff
23:05 <K> to have multiple terminals
23:14 <Ampera> K, you can, but you can't look at them at the same time
23:16 <TheDude> gonna try doing a bit of TCP/IP communication
23:18 <Ampera> you could also do screen or tmux
23:31 <TheDude> tmux, I have that
23:42 <Ampera> I have no clue how to use it, so don't ask me :P
23:42 <TheDude> just haven't exactly used it much
23:49 <Ampera> I use X instead
24:00 <TheDude> I believe jspiros is familiar with it
24:14 <TheDude> brb, need to check on the food
24:14 <K> no idea here either, am using full ides for my code needs
24:37 <Ampera> disintegrated development environments are nice
24:42 <Ampera> you can always switch out a component if you hate it
25:06 <K> if there is such a component
29:09 <TheDude> for desktop C/C++ application I use vscode
29:18 <TheDude> or codeblocks at work
29:43 <TheDude> for all of the embedded stuff I use whatever toolchain is provided by the uC manufacturer
29:54 <TheDude> most of the time it's something Eclipse based
30:09 <TheDude> except with working with ST parts, I use Keil for that
30:50 <TheDude> holy heck
30:57 <TheDude> bitcoin is pumping hard
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35:33 <rust_collector> if you want to be weird, and not use screen/tmux, you could try dvtm
36:09 <K> or drugs
36:28 <rust_collector> nah, I am not a fan of emacs
36:36 <K> weak.
37:03 <rust_collector> weak like krupp steel
37:29 <rust_collector> made from good swedish iron
39:41 <rust_collector> sooooo. the onion van passed its test. the rest of the work will happen tomorrow, with a bit of luck. And because of more luck, mrs onion-owner is coming to pick it up, so I don't have to go up there
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59:38 <rust_collector> heh, the little doggos are terrified by the tape measure
02:19 <Ysjoelfir> so. bread is in the making. I'm very curious how it'll turn out
09:56 <K> looks like snek
12:53 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0arsPXEaIUY ?
14:24 <K> tape measure looks like snek for rusts dogges
16:00 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, this has to at least look like your sort of thing: https://food52.com/recipes/84588-best-lithuanian-grybai-mushroom-cookies-recipe
17:26 <rust_collector> hsn, why do you have a cup holder of the edge of the roof?
18:17 <hsn> Its on 50th rust_collector
18:29 <hsn> Top of tower
18:46 <hsn> Its cutter water plastic
18:50 <hsn> Cutted
19:03 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, that looks awesome. I want it now
19:08 <rust_collector> yes... yes. ok, but why do you have a cup holder
20:26 <rust_collector> and, is that manamanamanamana city?
21:44 <hsn> Yes
21:51 <hsn> Cup holder?
22:33 <rust_collector> yes cup holder
22:44 <rust_collector> or bottle holder, or beverage holder
23:10 <hsn> Where
23:23 <hsn> The pic i shared today?
24:18 <rust_collector> yez
26:58 <hsn> I think its light on every long tower
27:03 <hsn> For flights?
27:12 <hsn> But one of them brokem
27:31 <hsn> So the smart ppl put this cutted plastic water
27:36 <hsn> And tied it
27:56 <hsn> As "light cover"
29:04 <rust_collector> ok, stop making sense
31:35 <K> yeah, all this sensible talk makes us seriously doubt your stupidness claims
32:15 <coppice> rust_collector: if they are just little doggos they may be afraid they won't measure up to the situation
34:41 <rust_collector> that is not impossible
58:56 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/31rugb/nordic_names/
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37:56 <Ysjoelfir> don't you like the countryballs? :D
38:57 <rust_collector> I like my own balls. they are nice and squishy, when you squeeze them
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> t
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> m
39:07 <Ysjoelfir> i
39:08 <Ysjoelfir> x.x
39:11 <Ysjoelfir> but: https://external-preview.redd.it/QO48t2DFwMFuegOuFTxrj9zcVuKxnmtY3Vo_SaYg16Y.png?auto=webp&s=65e5a354cd0f5b877a5eb371484e0395e7706144
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51:29 <rust_collector> I think I might have a little glass of vodka flavoured ethanol drink... sorry people
52:12 <rust_collector> good luck
06:19 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy rusty :)
06:31 <rust_collector> yep, it is not bad
07:06 <rust_collector> just your average wednesdayorwhateveritis
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29:48 <hsn> https://youtu.be/XumNc480qYo -> What is The Best VIA Placement for Decoupling Capacitors?
31:59 <rust_collector> stick them thru the pcb.
40:42 <T3sl4> nice
46:27 <T3sl4> hsn: note that he's only showing impedance, which is through two large pads and across a plane
48:11 <T3sl4> so the difference between lengthwise/beside vias is small in relation to the distance from those pads
48:26 <T3sl4> and he doesn't show any examples with a single cap near those pads... smh
48:27 <hsn> T3sl4 are these simulations match reality ?
48:50 <T3sl4> hsn, if your reality is connecting to capacitors through two pads on one end of a daughterboard, yes
50:12 <hsn> I see, i guess it start differs in high frequencies thiugh ?
50:28 <hsn> Like 20Ghz
50:56 <T3sl4> so like, 17:40 he compares two planes /of different widths/ and claims the vias are doing it
51:33 <T3sl4> the freq plot he shows zoomed out, shows big differences past SRF, >10s MHz
53:31 <hsn> Yes
54:47 <hsn> T3sl4: ah .. but why these two planes width will affect too much .. there is already 2 internal planes which is wide enough?
55:02 <T3sl4> "wide enough" for what
55:14 <T3sl4> you literally just gave it away
55:24 <hsn> For me talking non sense
55:32 <T3sl4> if width matters, then more width makes smaller number!
56:54 <hsn> So .. if u fit ur 4L board in 100 x 100 mm ..
57:38 <hsn> Then just came and made it to 150x150mm extending from every side .. will it affect much?
58:03 <hsn> Keeping components in middle 100x100 .. no move
58:32 <T3sl4> you get more plane capacitance
59:25 <hsn> I mean i would imagine the signals wont also radiate like when trace is "near" edge ..
00:10 <hsn> So that plane capicitance is whats in 17:40 ? Wider pad?
00:54 <hsn> Ok ur T3sl4 coin expired ..
01:06 <hsn> Hsn ¥
01:10 <hsn> ^^^
01:16 <T3sl4> hsYen
01:22 <rust_collector> no no, you haz no coin
01:35 <rust_collector> stahp stahp
03:28 <hsn> My coins are disappearing in weight scales
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05:07 <rust_collector> meh, put some sand on th eother side
22:51 <Ysjoelfir> yep, sand is a method to solve all problems
23:33 <rust_collector> it does weight good
25:36 <rust_collector> hmm, Ysjoelfir how much is 3 hours of basic pcb layout stuff? or 45 minutes of circuit stuff, then the rest pcb "makeitfit"
30:20 <Ysjoelfir> depends. for a friend or for a "real" customer?
30:52 <rust_collector> I would say something in between. I do not want it for free
32:24 <rust_collector> (not to forget that I am just guessing about the time it would take) it is just that I feel like getting something that "just works" even if it is basic
33:06 <Ysjoelfir> hmmm. Then I would say 15 to 20 per hour? for normal customers it would be 69.
33:52 <rust_collector> neat. i might send some details, and stuff, if you are interested in a tiny job some time
34:49 <Ysjoelfir> sure :) just say when and what you want.
37:46 <rust_collector> cow I just have to make sure I am asking for what I want, lol.
39:46 <Ysjoelfir> that would be beneficial xD
40:19 <rust_collector> well, less planning on my side means more "work" for you
40:58 <rust_collector> when I think about it, there might be 2 little jobs. we will see
42:44 <rust_collector> heh, do you think somewhere around 3 hours is reasonable for a very simple single, or if you prefer 2 sided board, with almost nothing happening on it?
43:08 <rust_collector> loads of space
43:32 <rust_collector> as long as everything fits on a postage stamp, err bat horse
46:20 <rust_collector> I have to ask, because I have no idea
47:00 <Ysjoelfir> If the circuit is nothing special that should be no problem I think :)
47:11 <rust_collector> great
47:29 <rust_collector> well, we will cat see
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> https://studyfinnish.com/images/polandball/A%20Nordic%20Contest%20of%20Drinking.png
53:12 <Ysjoelfir> hah rusty :D was that the story with the gifted mountain you were refering to recently? https://studyfinnish.com/images/polandball/A%20Nordic%20Gift.png
53:19 <rust_collector> yaz, suomi gringo always depressed zebra
55:15 <rust_collector> well, we did try to give them a mountain, so they could have at least one.... but it turns out it would be illegal... i dunno? but soviet did not have anything to do with it, afaik
57:08 <rust_collector> as the mountain is between no and fi, I do not really think russostan would care...
58:01 <Ysjoelfir> well... ruski cares about everything I guess. but compared to the other guys on the other side of the map they seem to know where their borders are :D
59:41 <rust_collector> yeah. uhm. well. but I really do not think they would have a problem with finland getting a pile of rock, on the "other" side of finland, from them.
59:57 <Ysjoelfir> probably not, yes.
00:20 <rust_collector> That borders thing has been a bit... confusing, for the last... decades
00:30 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
00:32 <rust_collector> but yes, they are actually better than the other side
01:36 <rust_collector> well, they have modified borders a bit here and there. but at least thay have not gives quite as much freedom to random places
02:45 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D
04:06 <rust_collector> https://norwaytoday.info/everyday/norway-tried-and-failed-to-gift-finland-a-mountain-for-its-100th-birthday/
08:53 <rust_collector> Hmm, should I grab some leftover "shock absorbing" rubber/foam floor mats, or should I just make some old style wooden... floor... things, to stand on
09:31 <Ysjoelfir> for what?
09:41 * T3sl4 makes rust_collector walk the plank
09:46 <rust_collector> well, garage floor, next to the bench
10:12 <Ysjoelfir> ah. foam is nice, but I think it would be pretty fragile? also: aww, thats so cute with the mopuntain xD
10:40 <rust_collector> I have a feeling that the rubber mats might stand up to moderate welding blobs falling on it, sort of ok-ish
11:03 <T3sl4> reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island
11:15 <rust_collector> otoh, there is nothing wrong with springy wooden boards either
12:57 <rust_collector> is that the one canaderp and denmark is "fighting for" with putting up flags, and leaving a bottle of adult beverage?
13:03 <T3sl4> aye
13:22 <rust_collector> I think I should go blow that thing up
14:15 <T3sl4> it's whiskybottles all the way down
14:39 <rust_collector> i can work with that
15:33 <rust_collector> ooof, they left gammel dansk there. that is sick
15:58 <Ysjoelfir> https://studyfinnish.com/images/polandball/Double%20Date.png he couldn't keep his "Hans" off me :D
16:06 <Ysjoelfir> gammel danks is nice. kinda
16:14 <rust_collector> SIIIIICK!
18:43 <rust_collector> Well, I guess it is one way to get stuff tax free
19:46 <T3sl4> do you have to pay duties on finders-keepers?
20:03 <rust_collector> probably
20:23 <T3sl4> more likely, the booty somehow never manages to make it back from the expedition
20:48 <rust_collector> not to mention all the forms you have to fill in, it is cheaper to just buy it
22:16 <rust_collector> "please fill in 7 pcs. of form 666, stamp 2 extra top secret, and shred 4 for maximum security, burn number 7
22:55 <rust_collector> keep both forms in your underwear at all times
23:41 <T3sl4> it's enough to drive a guy to build his own still
23:58 <rust_collector> YES!
24:05 <rust_collector> i do wonder where that went
24:48 <rust_collector> grandpa made one after hours at the factory he was working
25:24 <T3sl4> i have some parts for one, i should get it out once in a while
26:03 <T3sl4> gotta... figure out a cooling water connection, and i need to do something with the goo that's sitting in my 5L erlenmeyer flask to which it fits
26:54 <rust_collector> I think the local bus factory here probably made more stills than buses
27:36 <Ysjoelfir> I smell moonshine
29:01 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/empK7L7.jpg
29:03 <rust_collector> I miss that stuff. it used to be everywhere, but some idiot sold methanol, and that just stopped
30:17 <Ysjoelfir> I tried it once. worked very nice actually. I also have a nice pressure pot I want to remake as a still some day.
34:13 <rust_collector> "I only make water for by batteries"
34:44 <rust_collector> and no, I don't know why this road stinks of yeast
37:22 <rust_collector> my cousins grandma had a mid 70s corolla. I wonder where that thing went
37:40 <T3sl4> to dust, one would assume
37:57 <rust_collector> it was pretty much perfect. it was not out of the garage very often
38:20 <rust_collector> she bought it new, and used it until at least... 2005 or so
39:33 <rust_collector> I have a thing for small 70s japanese cars. I am not sure why exactly
40:10 <rust_collector> but one of those, with some slight mods would be fun
41:08 <T3sl4> it was that transition period between carb and fuel injection, between round hand-shaped bodies and hard CAD edges
41:42 <rust_collector> heh, my 1987 toyota still had points ignition...
42:15 <rust_collector> it was pretty edgy, but no sign of any modern tech other than that
43:12 <rust_collector> too bad they are super expensive now. I miss that little shitbox
43:24 <rust_collector> they did turn to dust
46:21 <T3sl4> i wonder if this is the year my 95 turns into a pumpkin
46:57 <rust_collector> 95, that was almost the best year
47:17 <rust_collector> modern enough, but not ruined by added on crap
53:31 <T3sl4> nice thing about the celica, it has some upmarket features, like despite being only 2 doors it has electric locks and windows
54:35 <T3sl4> and a sunroof
54:47 <rust_collector> well, it was not exactly the cheapest model, I guess. they had to be sporty and modern-ish as they could
56:17 <T3sl4> and not many corollas/camrys from that year survive
56:30 <rust_collector> mmh? really?
56:36 <T3sl4> i think?
56:55 <T3sl4> or to as many miles as mine is, but thats at least partly the manual transmission i suppose
57:42 <rust_collector> the camrys, I think tend to do ok, the corollas were good, but they did not last as long. i am not sure why exactly, maybe there is just more camry to rust away, before it fails completely
59:02 <rust_collector> the manual boxes are pretty bulletproof, if you don't do stupid mods. the auomatic... eeh, not super great, but it does stress everything else less
02:44 <T3sl4> auto tends to break something past 100kmi or so, there's just so much going on in there
03:16 <rust_collector> nah, there is not really that much going on, but it is sort of diaposable
04:04 <rust_collector> rebuilding autos used to be a hobby I had. it was good, because people think it is voodoo magic
04:55 <rust_collector> well, it was long enough ago, so most were simple 3 and 4 speeds
11:30 <rust_collector> I think I have a... is it borg warner, or aisin warner, out of a cherokee, somewhere in the garage. I have not done much to those. they did tend to burn up, but then people would just replace the whole thing. But for being a computer controlled auto box, I think they are pretty ok
15:39 <rust_collector> hmm, the plan there was to find a nice chevrolet van, with a blown up 6.2 or 305, and stick a jeep 4.0 in it. I still think that would work ok
16:52 <rust_collector> but nice chevy vans no longer exist, for sane prices
16:55 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to get my hands on one of those old american station wagons with the woodgrain side panels. no idea which ones that were, but I saw it several times and found it just so nice :D
19:23 <rust_collector> chevrolet caprice/buick roadmaster, olds somethingsomething (same cars) or the little malibu, ford had the ltd... chrysler was chrysler, they had some here and there, from land barges to pretty small mitsubishi powered shitboxes
19:44 <rust_collector> so, you saw the family truckster?
20:09 <Ysjoelfir> probably? :D
20:34 <rust_collector> Hmm, oldsmobile had a cool one, with windows along the sides of the roof... that also had a name
21:02 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmRtzqgn2d8
21:31 <Ysjoelfir> thats a nice one :D
22:51 <electrohead> o/
23:58 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr head
26:33 <rust_collector> hi mr head
33:13 <TheDude> T3sl4, here?
33:22 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XumNc480qYo
33:41 <TheDude> go to 23mins
34:24 <TheDude> I'm guessing his impedance analysis is basically doing a kelvin measurement of the impedance
34:56 <TheDude> which is why those particular placements that he starts talking about at 23 min are so good
35:46 <TheDude> am I correct to assume that a network analysis would be a better sort of measurement for this type of comparison?
41:13 <electrohead> hey guys, how goes it?
41:46 <electrohead> I'm at work, it's fucking snowing, and the roads are partially bad, yay \o/
41:53 <Ysjoelfir> going to bed now, so probably pretty nice :D
41:59 <Ysjoelfir> woah, snow! send some over
42:01 <TheDude> wait, nvm https://www.dropbox.com/s/d3ravd0l5z4emp3/Screenshot%202020-12-16%2023.41.31.png?raw=1
42:13 <electrohead> please take all of it, thanks
42:15 <electrohead> :p
42:16 <TheDude> I love it when it's snowing
42:22 <TheDude> so much fun
47:20 <electrohead> eh, not to me, haha
47:30 <electrohead> TheDude: how are your adventures in linux coming so far?
48:53 <TheDude> got a load of help from Ampera earlier, set up lxqt
49:15 <TheDude> so something is moving ever so slowly :D
49:42 <electrohead> :D
49:48 <electrohead> at least you are getting somewhere :p
50:06 <TheDude> I'm now watching a youtube tutorial on programming TCPIP sockets in C
50:25 <electrohead> I've never used lxqt
50:27 <TheDude> gonna try to make a connection between the host and guest
50:29 <electrohead> how do you like it, though?
50:34 <TheDude> it's okay
51:03 <TheDude> I'm still learning the ins and outs, don't exactly have a real opinion on it yet
51:07 <electrohead> I'm more into using python nowadays whenever I can
51:28 <electrohead> right on, I'm looking at screenshots and info about it currently
52:13 <electrohead> I take it you are using the default, openbox?
53:46 * electrohead throws awesome wm at you, and runs
54:32 <TheDude> yup, using openbox
54:57 <TheDude> I can do python to some extent
55:03 <TheDude> never really liked it, though
55:42 <electrohead> I fell in love with it some years ago, and stuck with it
56:07 <electrohead> lots of libraries for it :D
57:05 <TheDude> ಠ╭╮ಠ
57:09 <TheDude> that's a terrible argument
57:27 <TheDude> it's the same one that the arduino crowd has
59:35 <electrohead> it's not an argument
00:05 <electrohead> just more/less stating, it's very popular, lots of libraries are written for python, therefore == lots of fun to be had
02:06 <rust_collector> whaat? you are not using larswm?
03:43 <rust_collector> lxqt... cute
09:04 <rust_collector> meh, good night people and you other person
16:31 * T3sl4 beers TheDude
16:48 <TheDude> hey
19:55 <Ampera> I'm not a fan of python
20:08 <Ampera> I showed TheDude LXQt not because it's brilliant, but because it's simple enough to start with
20:14 * T3sl4 shows Ampera the full monty
20:48 <Ampera> As with anyyone, looking into the various options and chosing what you like out of a desktop is the best way to go
29:08 <T3sl4> mmm, a nice warm coffee is good after a nice long walk
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35:31 * T3sl4 smears a brown substance on arch
36:35 <arch> i love peanut butter
37:36 <steve30> mmm, coffee
38:49 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a cup of coffee and peanut butter cookies to dip in it
41:13 * steve30 purrs at T3sl4 
44:39 <arch> alright, it's yolo time. gonna try etching 0.3mm pitch LVDS header and see if it goes well. most likely, it's gonna fail, but im gonna try it anyway
45:58 <arch> if it fails, i'll pay up the $6 and get it from oshpark. yes, i know im a cheap bum
49:01 <T3sl4> last thing i used at that pitch, it was a FPC connector with dual row footprint
56:30 <arch> mine is single row
58:10 <arch> so one side is using this connector ( https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/jae-electronics/FI-X30SSL-HF-R2500/2004599 ) and the other side is using this connector ( https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/jae-electronics/FI-RE41S-HF-R1500/1283336 )
58:25 <arch> oh, nvm it's 0.5mm pitch
58:37 <arch> still, pretty hard to do for 0.2mm wide traces
02:07 <arch> alright, looks like my laser printer is pretty accurate, and all 41 pins of that 0.5mm pitch header line up.
02:13 * arch goes to fetch the clothes iron
03:39 <T3sl4> was gonna say
52:13 <electrohead> so, that was the longest drive home from work, ever
52:18 * electrohead thanks the god damn snow
01:14 <steve30> i think i'll go out somewhere
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09:03 <arch> T3sl4, surprisingly transferred over really well. i can't see any broken traces. i put the clad inside an acetone vapor container
09:38 <T3sl4> \o/
10:52 <electrohead> \o/
11:27 * electrohead blast Kraftwerk - Computer world - for everyone in the channel
11:32 <electrohead> blasts*
11:39 <electrohead> would help if I can type correctly
12:57 <arch> now we wait 30 mins for the acetone to vaporize and melt the traces to fill up any micropores
13:30 <electrohead> arch: do you have a proper fume hood, or doing this outside?
13:39 <electrohead> just curious, that is all
14:11 <arch> naw im inside lol. it's fking nailpolish remover, not radioactive fuel
16:55 <T3sl4> yeh, acetone is impressively low in toxicity
18:36 <arch> imagine if women had to buy fume hoods just to remove their fake nails. the demand would be so high, the prices of fume hoods would come down enough for a layman to afford one. one can only hope...
22:17 * Tezzers lobs some hot glass at T3sl4
29:20 <T3sl4> \o/ my crackpipes came in!
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57:06 <arch> T3sl4, nice
58:14 * arch orders a dakimakura with T3sl4's body plastered on it
58:34 <T3sl4> weeeeeeeb
58:37 <arch> im gonna do lewd things to it, like cuddle it and hug it
00:23 * T3sl4 blushes
02:21 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/igk65ZE.jpg
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07:43 <arch> copper doesn't bubble in ferric chloride, right? im thinking the bubbles are from the fecl soaking into the paper
08:35 <T3sl4> paper has carbonate in it
09:06 <arch> what kinda carbonate?
09:40 <T3sl4> calcyum
09:58 <T3sl4> calci-yum
10:36 <arch> ahh cool
10:43 <arch> https://www.chemicalaid.com/tools/equationbalancer.php?equation=CaCO3+%2B+FeCl3+%3D+CaCl2+%2B+Fe2%28CO3%293
11:18 <arch> so every time i reuse my bath, i get more and more ferric carbonate contaminant. is there a way to remove that?
11:28 <T3sl4> lol
11:49 <T3sl4> hahaha iron(III) carbonate, that just looks so goofy
12:03 <T3sl4> try balancing it to CO2
12:45 * arch 's head explodes from not being up to date on chemistry
13:17 <arch> but if i had to guess, the carbonate decomposes to CO2 and oxygen?
13:35 <arch> gases*
13:54 <T3sl4> oh neat, there's actually carbonatoferrate(III) complexes
13:58 <arch> so i basically have salt as contaminant
14:09 <T3sl4> ya, you get CaCl2 in solution
14:43 <arch> is there a way to remove that? obviously, im gonna do it when i gather like 1 gallon full of used, exhausted ferric solution
14:54 <T3sl4> nah, tiny anyway
16:04 <arch> chemistry's pretty cool shit, too bad i sucked ass at it since middle school. dropped it in college >_<
16:58 <T3sl4> i think, aside from some complex that precipitates calcium with high selectivity, you'd just reduce it all down to FeCl2 (salvaging the copper content) then maybe crystallize that, CaCl2 stays in solution
18:48 <arch> thinking of buying up a small plot of land, once i go full time work again. if i can work remotely all the time, like i now am able to, i see no reason to stay in the city
19:10 <arch> around upstate NY
19:39 <T3sl4> idunno, the Ampera smell won't bother you?
20:14 <T3sl4> :^)
21:42 <arch> i dont mean Albany, or any of those other large cities. i mean farmlands
21:55 <arch> near small towns
22:26 <T3sl4> delightful aroma of freshy fertilized farmland
23:13 <arch> yeah, i actually don't mind. i used to have a few "pet" cows back when i was a kid, well, they were my grandparents' cattle tho
23:38 <arch> ooh and pet chickens, i love pet chickens
24:53 <T3sl4> :3
26:09 <arch> and dictator Cuomo's thinking of a full lockdown again, so yeaaa
27:04 <T3sl4> well, we need it, since the people can't fucking quarantine themselves
27:26 <T3sl4> but it's meaningless without some funds to cover the downtime
28:01 <arch> if people go full anarchy with pitchforks and torches, cuz they can't feed their families, i'd honestly support them
28:39 <T3sl4> anarchists are awesome
29:03 <arch> it'd be a different story if this country had functional social nets, but it doesn't, so regular people who CANT work remotely are fucked if they dont work
29:26 <arch> can't expect someone to last on $1600/mo unemployment money in the city
31:31 <T3sl4> too many neolibs suckling at the teat of big money
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38:59 <Nothing\> man, who the hell uses a fraction as a subscript in math
39:20 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
39:29 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3 <3 <3
39:56 <Nothing\> but like, in this formula regarding half lifes, it represents the half life as t_1/2
40:07 <Nothing\> that is, t sub one half
40:17 <Nothing\> which i took to meant t times one half
40:42 <Nothing\> cuz when you're using fractions in a fraction in an exponent, things get pretty cramped
41:14 <T3sl4> helps to have proper setting, LaTeX > word
41:17 <Nothing\> but like, is that a normal practice or what?
41:38 <Nothing\> this was just plain text in html
41:50 <T3sl4> yeah, that'll be harder to read
41:54 <Nothing\> like i asked google what the formula was for a half life and that's what it returned
42:20 <T3sl4> another odd one is symbols for sub/superscripts
42:29 <Nothing\> i've never used latex or anything like that, i just use desmos for my math stuff, or I have a copy of mathematica I've been meaning to learn
42:43 <Nothing\> actually i have a couple of copies since one comes with raspbian for free
43:00 <T3sl4> like in uh, i think quantum mechanics uses +/- pretty often? the sign being the two allowed polarity/phase of a wavefunction or some such
43:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i just use an underscore to represent subscripts since that's the syntax desmos uses
43:28 <T3sl4> just put MiKTeX on the PC
43:52 <Nothing\> i don't think i've ever even come across a latex file
44:07 <T3sl4> neither have i, i have better things to fap to, you pervert
44:20 <Nothing\> lol you and me both
44:21 <T3sl4> in LaTeX you use that, or braces to enclose more than one symbol i.e. X_L vs X_{abc}
44:48 <Nothing\> yeah i like the braces better
45:27 <Nothing\> it's like things that don't use parentheses around the arguments of trig functions
45:52 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
46:16 <Nothing\> you get sin25*3 you don't know if that's sin(25)*3 or sin(25*3)
46:42 <Nothing\> plaintext just doesn't lend itself to math very well
46:58 <Nothing\> especially if you get into stuff like integrals or sigma notation lol
47:32 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure how to pronounce half of the calc stuff i read
48:18 <Nothing\> luckily there are plenty of questions on quora about how you would say certain mathematical statements and formulas etc
49:33 <Nothing\> like the derivative of x^2 as it relates to d over dx
49:37 <Nothing\> or something like that
50:52 <Nothing\> oh yeah, so i found out there are a whole bunch of volcanos in arizona today
52:06 <Nothing\> i was looking around on google earth and found a bunch of mountains that looked suspiciously volcanic and found out they're an old volcanic range where most of them haven't erupted in tens or hundreds of thousands of years. But you can still see how different the soil is all around them.
03:07 * electrohead solders Nothing\ to the floor and runs
10:08 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
10:21 * Nothing\ goes to hug electrohead but falls flat on his face
10:31 <Nothing\> ssssssssssssssss OW
10:59 <Nothing\> i wonder why people hiss like that when they get hurt sometimes
12:42 <T3sl4> when you can hear a picture https://i.imgur.com/yTkKClR.gif
27:29 <Nothing\> lol i usually hear most animated GIFs
27:47 <Nothing\> whether i'm familiar with it or not. My brain will just invent sound effects.
30:00 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSHalUwk6cE&ab_channel=AVFCLOOLOO
30:30 <Nothing\> i really freaked my cat out once by playing the part where he falls down the stairs over and over and over again for several minutes straight
33:27 <Nothing\> lol @ this guy going to court for a posession charge for cannabis in one of the states where it's still illegal
33:46 <electrohead> lol
33:47 <electrohead> hey man
34:22 <Nothing\> in the middle of his... i think it was his arraignment he says he doesn't agree with the law and the judge explains how he can take it up with the state legislature if he wants it changed, but it's his job to enforce the law.
34:25 * electrohead offers spinach salad with tomato, jalapeno, and chicken
34:46 <Nothing\> so the guy's response is to pull out a joint and light it up in the middle of the court room
34:57 <Nothing\> cuz that'll change a lot of laws and make people take you seriously
35:33 <electrohead> I know what video you are talking abour
35:35 <electrohead> about*
35:43 <electrohead> dude was a dumbass, lol
35:46 <Nothing\> needless to say he was tackled and taken to jail and given a contempt, disorderly conduct and another possession charge
35:54 <Nothing\> he really was
36:10 <Nothing\> i'll never understand people who escalate problems like that
36:19 <Nothing\> or turn non-issues into big issues
37:51 <Nothing\> i saw it a bunch when i was in jail. Like this one guy who was trying to find some way to get fire to light a cigarette and one of the guards caught him snooping around an outlet under a computer they had and the outlet was damaged or something so the guard was giving the guy shit for the safety hazard. Dunno whether or not he did that or if it was already damaged.
39:24 <Nothing\> but anyways, in the middle of the argument, this other guy who's completely unrelated to what's going on, has nothing to do with the guy being admonished, not so much as acquaintances with the guy comes in and starts giving the guard and talking a lot of crap to him for admonishing the guy.
39:35 <Nothing\> both got taken to the hole.
40:42 <Nothing\> but that second guy had no reason to do that at all, he just jumped in like it was his best friend being attacked or something and made the situation so much worse for himself. When there would have been no situation to begin with if he'd have just stayed out of it or kept his mouth shut.
43:44 <Nothing\> or another time there was a problem with the boiler in our hot water dispenser in the pod (unit for 40 inmates) so they had to split us up and move us to other parts of the prison while they got that fixed. Half of the guys got to go to the normal pod across the hall. While the other half of us got to go to the pod for people with behavioral issues, which were all basically your classic stereotype prison inmate. Loud m
43:44 <Nothing\> the repercussions of his actions, impulsive, violent, etc
45:01 <Nothing\> When we got there, the TV had been shut off by the guards cuz the inmates were pissing them off and instead of just shutting up and waiting for the guards to turn the TV back on, they were constantly asking them and trying to come up with schemes to get it turned back on and what not.
45:43 <Nothing\> The one guy came up to me and was like "hey, they don't know you. Go ask them to turn the TV back on. They'll do it for you."
46:29 <Nothing\> i told him they wouldn't turn it on unless it was their decision and nothing we did would change that. But he just moved on and kept trying other things.
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27:33 <arch> T3sl4, no success...4 broken traces on that LVDS copperclad. to be honest, i was expecting worse
27:55 <arch> but the traces are so thin, it's risky mending them
27:56 <T3sl4> how many was it? 20?
28:15 <arch> yeah 10 pairs, so yes, 2 pairs out of 10 busted
28:31 <T3sl4> i would've made four or more boards, see which ones turn out best
28:36 <arch> picture coming up
28:44 <T3sl4> maybe one is salvagable
30:31 <arch> https://imgur.com/a/HJfdoDo
30:54 <arch> no, it's broken in 2 to 4 different places
31:17 <T3sl4> toner looks good, just needs to be denser, or etched less maybe
32:21 <arch> anyways, good learning experience
32:35 <arch> it's possible, with a large enough sample size, and luck of the draw lol
32:52 <arch> very time consuming though. im gonna have this ordered off oshpark
43:10 <steve30> i need to go to the supermarket but i'd rather go to bed instead
44:36 <T3sl4> looks small enough, you could run off four or even six in a panel in about as much time, but *shrug*
57:46 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgur.com/7BNJhUc.jpg good enough via stitching?
58:06 <arch> back side is full gnd
58:56 <T3sl4> sure
59:25 <arch> cool, i'll leave that for tomorrow. night sensei
59:30 <T3sl4> tho i'd put a via on the peninsula above R3,,, or wait that doesn't connect thru the pad, tie that in
00:26 <T3sl4> may want to clear copper between pads, probably not enough to be a problem on the 1mm pitch one, but the last pad on the 0.5mm might be wonky
00:35 <T3sl4> hard to solder in any case (thermal mass)
01:29 <arch> ahh i see, thermal clearance
02:38 <T3sl4> spokes would be fine, or a keepout around the affected pads then a trace over it
03:34 <arch> boom https://i.imgur.com/drhGX2I.jpg
05:52 <arch> 0.25mm spokes, 0.25mm thermal clearance
06:05 <arch> sorry 0.5mm spoke width
07:16 <T3sl4> you didn't connect the peninsula ._.
08:29 <arch> it is connected to ground plane through the vias directly underneath it (left of the pinheaders), but ok...
09:06 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/07n69q7.png
09:08 <arch> there, happy now?
10:01 <T3sl4> oh weird, the peninsula two pairs above it also doesn't connect on the left
10:05 <T3sl4> but it connects on the right wtf
10:10 <T3sl4> but the one below doesn't on the right
10:46 <T3sl4> and there's the same situation below 3rd pair from the top, but it didn't fill at all
11:01 <arch> you want me to put ground pours in between pairs? i was just following what the original motherboard design
11:09 <arch> those blank spaces i mean
12:09 <T3sl4> it's fine without, tbh
12:27 <T3sl4> i just mean, connect the ground on both sides of a ground pad if you're gonna pour to it
13:01 <T3sl4> a lot of fill algorithms fail to connect to narrow pads like that, it's just an edge case i guess
13:02 <arch> right, i have ground pours on both the top as well as bottom layers. the vias connect both sides together
13:09 <T3sl4> so you often have to patch those up by hand
13:10 <T3sl4> shrug
13:34 <arch> this is just a test case, if it works, then i'll worry about better design :D
13:58 <arch> i have a good feeling that it WILL work, maybe i might have to reverse engineer some i2c signals, but im sure this should do the trick
14:30 <arch> i have a capture of the i2c startup signals, and the original motherboard still works...barely...so i can still get some data off it
17:49 <arch> anyways, night. thanks for the help :3
17:57 <T3sl4> o/
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21:42 <Nothing\> huh
21:51 <Nothing\> i found this show that's like live pd, but called live rescue
22:11 <Nothing\> and involves other first responders like firemen and EMTs rather than police
23:53 <Nothing\> one thing i wish they'd do with shows like that is follow up on the cases they can follow up on, like with cops or live pd or rescue. It always bugs me not knowing what happens to the people afterwards
25:45 <Nothing\> you know they've got a gnarly injury when it gets blurred out. that's half the reason people watch these shows.
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19:14 <rust_collector> ding ding
19:22 <rust_collector> is morning!
31:54 <T3sl4> nooooo
43:16 <T3sl4> oh well, as long as it's morning i'll have a coffee
43:40 <rust_collector> yep. not much else to do
44:10 <K> hello worms
46:50 <T3sl4> greetings insect
47:39 <K> (fellow insect)
50:25 <Halcyon> Evening everyone
50:34 * Halcyon runs and cuddle-tackles T3sl4 
50:42 <T3sl4> aww
50:44 <T3sl4> hi Halcyon
50:51 <Halcyon> Herro
57:14 <K> curdle-
01:20 <Halcyon> Girdle
07:05 * T3sl4 milks K
07:30 <K> :|
08:19 <Halcyon> K doesn't seem to appreciate it as much as some :P
08:32 <K> can't say i do
08:41 <Halcyon> You're no fun :P
08:50 <K> more fun for everyone else
08:58 <Halcyon> Good way of looking at it :P
09:41 <T3sl4> i meant it as pouring milk on him, i swear ;)
09:46 <Lord_of_nothing> Good Morning
09:52 <Halcyon> Morning lordy lord
10:07 <T3sl4> hi nord of lothing
15:49 <Lord_of_nothing> how some people could call there kids gayloard?
29:45 <Halcyon> Fuck I hate Windows 10
30:07 <Halcyon> You write the ISO to a USB drive... it boots into the installer, you go to install but then it complains that it can't find the install media
30:49 <T3sl4> WHERE ARE MY GLASSES
31:02 <Halcyon> In the dishwasher?
31:33 <T3sl4> i mean windows
32:41 <K> in the fridge
32:51 <K> everything is in the fridge.
32:59 <Halcyon> Or in the sink
34:09 <K> or minks took it
34:40 <K> are ya'll ready for zombie-mink apocalypse?
35:01 <K> among others
36:10 <T3sl4> meh, i'm holding out for the alpacalypse
36:48 <T3sl4> followed, i assume, by llamageddon
38:29 <Halcyon> We don't have minks here
39:03 <hsn> what?
39:15 <rust_collector> maybe you should get some, they eat the previous thing you imported
42:19 <Halcyon> Then what would eat the mink?
42:53 <T3sl4> snakes, lots and lots of snakes
42:58 <rust_collector> the next thing you import
44:21 <rust_collector> I am slightly bored today, so I am watching meanwhile in russia videos
44:43 <Halcyon> Bahaha, gawd I hate other forums
45:02 <Halcyon> I literally called someone a troll after a post someone made was deleted for "trolling"
45:03 <rust_collector> someone managed to put their swimming pool on fire, which I think is the most russian thing I have seen yet
45:11 <Halcyon> Yet the mod called that a "personal attack"
45:56 <T3sl4> clearly someone doesn't know the definition of slander
46:46 <Halcyon> And literally, the deleted post says: "This post was hidden by a moderator (trolling)"
47:09 <Halcyon> The very next post is mine that says "Your post was hidden by T.G. a moderator. Reason: Personal attack"
47:31 <T3sl4> edit it, or if you can't, add another reply that merely screenshots the post in question
48:04 <Halcyon> Nah. can't be bothered. I'll just be a smartass to the mod for a little while longer. Explain to him what verbs and nouns mean.
48:05 <Halcyon> :P
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51:45 * Halcyon rides the Kuschelpony 
53:13 <Halcyon> What shall I do with about 40 1TB drives?
54:21 <Kuschelpony> Whinny Halcyon
54:43 <Kuschelpony> hmm, 1 Terabyte is more than my 2 work PCs have together as harddisk, no idea
54:52 <rust_collector> use them as bricks, and make a small house
01:55 <Halcyon> Work was literally shredding them
01:59 <Halcyon> So I saved them :P
02:12 <rust_collector> cheaper than lego
02:18 <Halcyon> Now I don't know what to do. They are HGST Ultrastar's... decent drives
03:38 <Kuschelpony> oh, very good find
03:47 <Kuschelpony> the biggest that i could catch were 160GB
07:58 <Halcyon> I got some 3TB too but they were Seagate enterprise drives
08:05 <Halcyon> I think I scored about 15 of them?
09:30 <K> enough for a small doghouse
09:51 <Halcyon> It would be a shame to just shred them
10:02 <Halcyon> They were also throwing out a few Dell R710 servers
10:02 <Halcyon> :P
10:23 <rust_collector> you can melt them, the alloy makes for nice castings
10:52 <rust_collector> or take the platters out, tie them on a string, and hang them in your window
11:08 <K> wards off bill gates
11:37 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe you should make a shield around your bed
12:37 <Halcyon> :P
12:39 <Halcyon> You guys
13:04 <Halcyon> I also have a buttload of SATA to SAS Interposer boards
13:10 <Halcyon> I'll probably just toss them
15:10 <rust_collector> i have laptop drive platters in my window. the wife sort of hates them, but they have been there for a few years now
16:06 <Halcyon> "Sort of" hates them?
16:13 <rust_collector> they do make funny light things happen some times, as they move around
16:38 <rust_collector> yeah, it can not be very strong hate, or they would be gone
17:20 <rust_collector> she hates them less than the pantyliners I stuck to the wall, as a frame for a picture
17:44 <Halcyon> ....
17:54 <rust_collector> that was not very popular. but the adhesive on those is pretty impressive
20:29 <rust_collector> i guess you have to do some raid-raid raid setups
21:16 <rust_collector> raid 200
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11:35 <Ysjoelfir> hello
14:55 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
16:37 <rust_collector> Hey Ysjoelfir
19:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
19:25 <Halcyon> YAY! Ampera!
19:30 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
19:38 <Halcyon> Not too bad, you?
19:45 <rust_collector> Hey Ampera
20:40 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/789089527842996224/20201217_061717.jpg
20:48 <Ampera> we're getting whammied hard with snow
21:03 * Halcyon whammies Ampera hard
21:11 <Halcyon> That used to be your backyard
21:14 <rust_collector> nice and dark, and it cools cool, I like it
21:16 <Ampera> hi rust_collector how are you doing
21:34 <rust_collector> i am doing better than anyone ever has
21:40 <Halcyon> My concept of snow is a few cm's, if that
22:10 <Ampera> the figure given is anywhere from 8 to 32 inches
22:15 <Ampera> eevblog convert 8 in to cm
22:15 <EEVBlog> The result is: 20.32 cm
22:20 <Ampera> eevblog convert 32 in to cm
22:20 <EEVBlog> The result is: 81.28 cm
22:40 <Halcyon> Deep
22:43 <rust_collector> so there you go. it is a few cm
23:18 <Halcyon> Could you run and jump off your steps Ampera?
23:50 <Ampera> I could, but would not want to
23:59 <Halcyon> It wouldn't be a soft landing?
24:08 <Ampera> it would be a piss cold landing
24:22 <Halcyon> Still sounds like fun
24:23 <Ampera> eevblog convert 17F to C
24:23 <EEVBlog> The result is: -8.333 c
24:42 <Halcyon> It's like jumping into a pool... takes a few moments before you get used to it
24:56 <Ampera> I'll go out to shovel it in a bit
25:13 <Halcyon> Sounds like effort
28:02 <Halcyon> Anyways I'm going to bed, night guys
28:30 <Ampera> night night
28:51 <rust_collector> have fun
29:12 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/789091714572877834/20201217_061717.webp
29:39 <Ampera> I had captured that image as both a phone processed JPEG and a digital negative, here's my attempt at developing it\
31:09 <rust_collector> heh, I did not know that was a thing
32:11 <Ampera> rust_collector, it captures the raw data from the image sensor and I can then do my own processing
32:16 <Ampera> the issue is you need to know what you're doing
32:27 <rust_collector> oh no
45:20 <rust_collector> prrrrffft. the sun is as up as it will be today... I should probably go outside
45:47 <rust_collector> it quit being cold, so now it is back to boring and rain
47:16 <Ysjoelfir> sounds nice. like my mood.
48:03 <rust_collector> yep, mine too.
48:15 <K> meanwhile - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGI1bzaIjbg
48:49 <K> nasty noise in that pic
53:11 <rust_collector> I think I need this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCX8tKJVlQc
54:26 <Ysjoelfir> yes and yes.
54:44 <rust_collector> yes²
54:47 <Ysjoelfir> make some, rusty, and bring it over. I have liquor.
54:52 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
55:06 <K> but no dancing!
55:10 <rust_collector> i think I will try to make that
56:14 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea what it is nor what I need to do, but I want that now.
56:42 <rust_collector> yeah, I don't care, I just need it
57:03 <Ysjoelfir> looks like nuts in kind of a baked meringue
57:15 <rust_collector> yez
57:39 <Ysjoelfir> oy blin. must be good. blyatiful.
00:06 <rust_collector> i think it looks like spongecake with nuts, but I do not get that to add up
02:44 <Ysjoelfir> god, that butter creme inside there looks amazing.
03:06 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll make that. maybe it can cheer me and mrs spouse up
03:59 <rust_collector> it would be hard not to get some points with that, I think
06:15 <Ysjoelfir> woah, that's also available in round and with.... those poppy seeds? supposedly this cake is just called "Royal Cake"
06:16 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.izyskon.com/recepty-tortov/korolevskij.html
08:48 <Ysjoelfir> hm, but thats not the same.
13:10 <rust_collector> probably works
31:48 <rc-garage> unlike me. I am non-working today
32:09 <rc-garage> at least I made me go outside, so that is a start
33:53 <K> is cold
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43:30 <rc-garage> K.... stop being cold
55:25 <Ysjoelfir> rc-garage, what is it that makes you non working?
55:45 <Ysjoelfir> also K, could you translate that recipe? can you read cyrillic?
55:51 <rc-garage> i don't really feel like it...
55:59 <K> which recepie?
56:15 <Ysjoelfir> [12:53:11] <rust_collector> I think I need this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCX8tKJVlQc
57:12 <Ysjoelfir> I "convinced" my mum to make it this christmas, IF I find a translation with exact amounts xD
57:32 <Ysjoelfir> and what to do of course
58:05 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir 
58:54 <Ysjoelfir> thanks. more please
59:14 <rc-garage> but it says kndpv 150 rkpb
59:32 <rc-garage> so she just needs 150 rkpb of that
59:42 <K> https://pastebin.com/M0Jxixxg
59:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes. I beamed to the shop but they didn't have kndpvs :(
59:56 <rc-garage> faaaahk!
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