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01:35 <T3sl4> K: bring more potatoes plskthx
02:16 * K dumps potates in T3sl4s bed
04:41 <T3sl4> m...my bed?
04:43 * T3sl4 blushes
04:54 <T3sl4> i mean i uh, definitely don't know what to do with these here~
11:56 <K> you cover up with them, for warmth
13:50 <K> you've never had potates in your bed before?
14:09 <K> and there i was, thinking usa was not totaly backwards nation
14:18 <K> em, country, not nation
17:30 * T3sl4 puzzledly sticks one on a skewer, lights it on fire, huddles over it for warmth
18:24 <K> on a skewer?!
18:26 <K> savages
48:51 <electrohead> o/
58:45 <electrohead> just want to put this out there - I have a combined snort ruleset of the fire eye countermeasures and sunburst rules, slightly edited for pfsense, so the SIDs don't mismatch
58:52 <electrohead> if anyone would like them, let me know
03:26 <rust_collector> ok
28:55 <Ampera> electrohead, countermeasures against what
29:43 <rust_collector> the spirit of the volcano god
29:54 <electrohead> https://github.com/fireeye/red_team_tool_countermeasures
29:58 <electrohead> https://github.com/fireeye/sunburst_countermeasures
29:59 <electrohead> those
33:01 <Ampera> electrohead, that doesn't really answer my question
33:21 <Ampera> are they countermeasures against fireeye tools or are they countermeasures for vulnerabilities detected by fireeye tools
33:36 <Ampera> though those two seem like the same thing
33:41 <Ampera> context, in general, is what I'd like.
34:18 <electrohead> fire eye was hacked, via the solarwinds compromise, so these are rulesets that will detect scans/traffic from said hacked tools and vulnerabilities
38:13 <Ampera> I'll keep it in mind for when I revamp my network with something better than pfSense, but pfSense to begin with has big unpatched security issues
38:39 <Ampera> they haven't released any patches for the base system in like half a year
39:17 <Ampera> and considering FreeBSD publishes every single patched vulnerability publicly with enough information to exploit them, I'm not gonna put time into improving something insecure by default anyways
39:51 <Ampera> it's still probably better than almost every single consumer router anyways
41:45 <electrohead> :p
44:43 <Ampera> I in general do not like appliance systems like that, and pfSense is not making it any easier to change my mind on that
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55:01 * arch rips a beard off a sleeping bum and goes around pretending to be santa klaus
55:36 <arch> T3sl4, is your paypal up to date. who dafuq uses charter.net domain these days
55:50 <T3sl4> amazingly it's still connected
56:04 <T3sl4> er i mean, you can test it and see
57:31 <arch> boom, merry christmas :D
01:28 <arch> did u get it, check ur email
01:55 <rust_collector> hmm, nope. try again
02:13 * arch donates a bag of coal to rust_collector 
02:57 <rust_collector> I have always wanted a bag of koalas
03:00 <rust_collector> oh
03:20 <rust_collector> hey, thanks, that will keep me warm
04:01 <arch> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55447731
04:15 <arch> finally Trump says something reasonable, and people don't wanna pass the bill? wtf?
05:33 <arch> o gee, $600...sooooo generous...
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16:51 <hsn> https://theintercept.com/2020/12/24/solarwinds-hack-power-infrastructure/
22:45 <arch> hsn, https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SoulfulWigglyAuk-max-14mb.gif
27:54 <rust_collector> hsn, why not read something important? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9087171/Scott-Disick-casual-sweatpants-makes-minute-trip-Calabasas-jeweler.html
33:26 <hsn> Thx for sharing rust_collector
33:35 <rust_collector> sure
33:43 <hsn> :d
34:08 <rust_collector> you have to be picky when you select your source of information
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05:55 <T3sl4> thanks arch <3
06:15 <arch> np :D you deserve more for sure!
21:07 <arch> is this considered a stable transient response? https://moltensolderlabs.com/assets/projects/555_timer_transient_load_tester/bd9d320efj_1a_static_2a_transient_load_response.png
21:53 <arch> on the datasheet, i didn't notice that slight ringing(?) on the graph, but then again, they used the recommended value resistors. i used different value resistors, but ratio wise, the same
29:26 <Lord_of_nothing> re
37:59 <arch> wryyyyyy
38:14 * arch throws a road roller at Lord_of_nothing 
46:38 <Lord_of_nothing> what does anyone today?
46:46 <Lord_of_nothing> for me its just a lazy day
48:30 <arch> same here. i don't really celebrate christmas. i just donate moniez to some orgs, usually today or on Dec31st
48:38 <rust_collector> reading important news on daily mail, and the sun.
48:56 <arch> rust_collector, "important news"....on daily mail or the sun...
49:05 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
49:06 <arch> that's about as serious as reading The Onion
49:14 <rust_collector> yep
50:03 <rust_collector> but these days, when the real news is full of nothing, they are not bad. They say the queen is wearing her moms jewelry and stuff
50:08 <arch> im kinda sad tho, this year i can't donate as much. including unemployment, i think i've only made about 40% of my income that i would have made with a job
50:26 <arch> and that's with cutting down projects and such to an absolutely skeleton
51:18 <arch> but regardless, glad to be back in the workforce again. this time, remote, woohoo
51:55 <arch> it only took 8 months outa work, but fortune smiles on everyone, some day at least :D
53:02 <rust_collector> being unemployed a bit now and then is probably healthy
53:43 * electrohead offers beer
53:48 <arch> i can agree with you. i learned a few new skills. i learned the two kanas of Japanese completely, learned how to copperclad etch, and learned how to edit arduino code
53:58 <arch> now, the fucking Kanji is gonna kill me
54:14 <arch> 2000 kanjis, but over 10,000 different meanings depending on context
54:14 * electrohead saves arch
54:26 <rust_collector> and maybe you will be more tolerant of BS at work also
55:28 <coppice> arch: Kanji is much more of a pain than learning Hanzi, as most Hanzi have a single pronunciation, but Kanji......
56:05 <arch> honestly, japanese needs an overhaul. it's convoluted. even green or russian is easier
56:32 <arch> heck, even japanese people don't know proper kanji, hence they have to keep putting kana over them lol
56:44 <rust_collector> green?
57:34 <arch> woops, i mean greek
57:42 <rust_collector> oh
58:03 <arch> speaking of which, i should learn some russian. could be helpful for soviet era schematics and datasheets
58:14 <coppice> Its frustrating trying to get around in Japan, only able to read the Kanji, and not all the other characters. Some signs are completely understandable, while others have maybe one or two Kanji
58:43 <arch> coppice, you live there?
59:07 <coppice> no. I've visited quite a few times
02:06 <arch> what trips me up the most are the following: ソ , ン, ゾ , ツ , ヅ
02:34 <arch> fking katakana is too blocky, i prefer the hiragana
03:24 <coppice> A problem China has found with the simplified hanzi is too many characters look to similar, especially when hand written
05:20 <TheDude> evenin' :)
05:25 <arch> i still think english is the easiest language to learn, and following that, i would say spanish. i did pretty well in college with spanish--took up to the 3rd level and got A+es
05:43 <TheDude> nah, Russian is much simpler
06:15 <TheDude> I've learned just a little bit, but the syntax is incredibly simple
07:19 <coppice> arch: English is a hard language to learn as a second language. The dictionary is sooo big, irregular spelling so common, tenses so diverse its only easy to learn for a small child who can build up slowly.
08:20 <coppice> My wife admits she used to read the love letters I sent her when dating with a dictionary beside her
08:23 <arch> i think i might have been privileged, cuz most of the English i learned was from Cartoon Network, and Runescape lol
08:29 <TheDude> well, to be fair, even people that use the language their whole life sometimes struggle with it
08:50 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
09:43 <arch> TheDude, https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/485/706/5f7.jpeg
09:48 <TheDude> yeah, computer games might not be the best way to learn the language :D
10:10 <TheDude> :D
10:43 <TheDude> way back in the day, I used to play ultima online
10:45 <arch> you would be surprised. it depends on where your friends are from in a game. obviously, you won't learn well if they're from, idk, some african or eastern european country
11:26 <TheDude> regularly chatted with people in english, but it was actually horrendous .d
12:24 <TheDude> as for spoken english, I learned quite a bit in counter strike
12:38 <TheDude> although I still struggle just a little bit sometimes
12:38 <arch> well, on the irc, i slack off on proper grammar and punctuation usage, like i won't capitalize the "I" or beginning of sentences, or shorten "your" down to "ur", but when communication through email, i don't slack
13:37 <coppice> I grew up in the capital, so we capitalised everything
13:37 <TheDude> it's odd that I have no problem finding the correct words to express my thoughts precisely when I type, but when I speak, I sometimes stumble a little bit
13:45 <TheDude> haha :D
14:16 <TheDude> also, I am told that I have a very american accent when speaking
15:10 <coppice> TheDude: some of my friends in Asia speak English with the manner and accent of a well educated Brit or American (depending on how they studied), yet their writing is really odd.
15:52 <TheDude> I think everything might actually be down to practice
16:21 <TheDude> I've had my fair share of writing (mostly because of IRC), but I speak much less often
18:28 <coppice> that depends a lot on circumstances. Kids in China put a lot of effort into learning English, but without a lot of native standard speakers among them their reading progresses much faster than their speaking
26:49 <rust_collector> I think there are too many ways to speak english
36:20 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
20:22 <MRiddickW> Does this look like a reasonable solder paste? https://www.amazon.com/SMD291AX-REWORK-SOLDER-PASTE-CLEAN/dp/B0186IM0P0/
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49:30 <rust_collector> it is time to watch the ashens christmas special 2016 again.
52:07 <electrohead> MRiddickW: that's chipquick, use that only for desoldering parts with lead free solder, that's giving you a hard time trying to desolder
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53:02 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) EOF from client
11:51 <electrohead> well, over time, that's what I came to a conclusion; it has a low melting point, therefore I would normally use it for desoldering only. if anyone else has input, it definitely would be appreciated
16:01 <rust_collector> well. i don't know. I guess a low melting point should be fine for most things, that do not get very hot?
24:05 <MRiddickW> electrohead: Yeah, the brand threw me for a loop, but if it's 63Sn/37Pb, wouldn't it behave just like any other 63/37 alloy?
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27:58 <Nothing\> merry christmas!
28:46 <Nothing\> that's all i wanted to say. gonna help make the cornish hens for dinner. mmm mmmm
28:54 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
31:39 <MRiddickW> Here's the datasheet: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/73/SMD291AX-746153.pdf
41:39 * Ampera hugs No
41:42 <Ampera> oh
41:43 <Ampera> :/
03:52 * Halcyon kicks Ampera in the box
03:57 <Halcyon> Morning :)
04:01 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
04:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, call?
04:13 <Halcyon> I'm about to go out again, I'll be back after lunch
04:19 <Ampera> :P
04:20 <Halcyon> My best mates house got broken into last night :(
04:28 <Halcyon> I need to go give him some cash money
04:40 <Ampera> well now whose supposed to be making sure that doesn't happen?
04:50 <Ampera> tsk tsk tsk
04:54 <Halcyon> Hah
26:18 <TheDude> well, fuck :D
26:45 <TheDude> the thing that is bothering my car is most likely the throttle body
26:58 <rust_collector> well, yes
27:27 <Ampera> TheDude, what did you expect from buying a diesel car, it literally has die in the name
27:39 <TheDude> so going to the car part online stores and searching for throttle bodies for my particular car and engine found some that are just over 200€ non-OEM
28:05 <TheDude> Ampera, this diesel has been far more reliable that any german car
28:08 <TheDude> diesel or petrol
28:20 <Ampera> who said anything about german cars
28:23 <rust_collector> have you looked at the one you have? it might just need a good cleaning
28:28 <TheDude> okay, back to what I wanted to tell you
28:53 <TheDude> rust_collector, I considered that option, which is why I'm gonna pop it open tomorrow to see if carbon deposits are to blame
29:00 <TheDude> anyhow
29:15 <TheDude> looking at the parts that the online store suggests to be the correct one
29:34 <TheDude> the look of it does not match what is drawn in the service manual for my particular engine
29:44 <TheDude> and that got me thinking
29:57 <TheDude> so I found a video of some russian blokes that were disassembling this exact engine
30:14 <TheDude> and sure enough, the throttle body looks like the one found in the service manual drawing
30:21 <TheDude> and NOT the one that the parts stores suggest
30:32 <TheDude> so I finally find the OEM code for the part and go searching again
30:40 <TheDude> cheapest I could find is just over 500€
30:44 <TheDude> ಠ╭╮ಠ
32:07 <TheDude> so yeah, might look for a used part
32:17 <Ampera> you sound like the sorta person who'd have a headache and before taking anything for it go online and determine it's brain cancer
33:45 <TheDude> nah, mate
34:13 <TheDude> the symptoms that I saw would most likely mean that the butterfly valve position sensor is shot
37:47 <DHess_US> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WBDMgWIm/IMG_3283.JPG
38:49 <TheDude> :D
39:15 <TheDude> finally you can be friends with Zuck
41:02 <rust_collector> does it look like this one? https://www.ebay.de/itm/1617-Original-TOYOTA-YARIS-1-4-D4D-Throttle-Body-26100-0N030-261000N030/272794602336
41:57 <TheDude> no, this is the one the parts store suggests, that is the incorrect one
42:18 <TheDude> this is the OEM code 26100-26010
42:53 <TheDude> the motor control and position sensor are on two separate connectors
45:11 <rust_collector> one on each side of the shaft?
45:37 <TheDude> yes
45:54 <TheDude> https://partsouq.com/tesseract/assets/partsimages/Toyota/2610026010.jpg
45:58 <TheDude> this is what it looks like
46:18 <rust_collector> ok
46:22 <TheDude> the one you linked earlier is for the petrol variants, I think
46:36 <TheDude> even though you find them when searching for the diesel ones
48:26 <rust_collector> nah, I think they are for a later model. but I guess it could be that they just used a petrol part on the newer ones.
48:44 <TheDude> might be
48:54 <TheDude> anyhow, I'll know for certain when I pop mine open tomorrow
49:13 <TheDude> couldn't do much today, the day was mostly dedicated to cooking and eating
49:22 <TheDude> also it rained out
49:38 <TheDude> and I have no covered space available to work on the car
50:07 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
50:23 <Nothing\> ahoy
55:34 * Nothing\ yells "hello in there... in there ... in there... ere.
55:46 <electrohead> o/
55:52 <Nothing\> hey hey electrohead
55:56 <electrohead> hey man
56:03 <Nothing\> that's weird, hexchat made a sound when you made a line
56:07 <Nothing\> and it just did it again
56:12 * electrohead solders all of Nothing\'s components together and runs
56:17 <Nothing\> anyways, how've you been doing?
56:28 <electrohead> I'm alright, you?
56:52 <Nothing\> electrohead, did i ever tell you about my "prank"where by you run a 9v across the pins of every DIP a person has
57:04 <Nothing\> i'm doing pretty good, thanks for asking
57:45 <electrohead> lol
57:55 <electrohead> and hope something shorts/etc?
57:57 <electrohead> :p
58:43 <Nothing\> i was jsut tihkinng for 7400 series anyways, the maximum rated voltage is 5.5v
58:56 <Nothing\> so you'd expect it would destroy them
59:07 <Nothing\> but yeah, that too
07:06 <electrohead> two 9 volt's in series just to be sure :p
21:59 <rust_collector> just have a modified extension lead, and stick the end into all the component boxes?
22:25 <rust_collector> prrrfff. this was a fun day
37:10 <electrohead> hey rust_collector
37:21 <rust_collector> hey mr head
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08:54 <Halcyon> electrohead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyMLhrouXc4
58:43 <electrohead> lmfao
58:48 <electrohead> hey :D
21:33 <Halcyon> Yo
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08:23 <steve30> hi
10:50 <electrohead> yo
26:48 * Halcyon tickles steve30 
29:46 <steve30> hehe
30:02 * steve30 is uploading an unboxing video
41:31 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
43:34 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4OalfV71A
09:00 <Halcyon> Oooh
09:11 <Halcyon> Did someone get a new camera for Christmas?
09:24 <steve30> I bought it on ebay last week
09:30 <Halcyon> Hahah I love your "straight to tbe point" cuts Steev
09:33 <Halcyon> *Steve
10:02 <Halcyon> Also, why record in 4:3 ?
10:23 <Halcyon> Or is that the point?
11:04 <steve30> Since I'm unboxing/reviewing/repairing an old MiniDV camera, it made sense to record the video in standard MiniDV mode :). Albeit scaled up to suit the way youtube works.
11:52 <Halcyon> I like it :)
12:06 <Halcyon> We need to make you an intro/outro with real VHS
13:03 <Halcyon> Also, for future videos Steve, more crotch shots with tigher pants please :P
13:39 <Halcyon> Do you need more tapes? I have a bunch of DVC tapes I don't need
13:47 <Halcyon> Used only once for a show I recorded years ago
15:13 <Halcyon> I also have something that will clean up that "decomposed rubber" stickiness
16:27 <steve30> What do you use for that?
16:46 <steve30> I got most of it off with alcohol, Jif, and lots of cloths and scrubbing
17:12 <Halcyon> It's an orange oil air freshener spray. Its a combination of citrus oil and ethanol
17:24 <Halcyon> By far the best ink/goo remover I've used in the last 10 years.
18:53 <Halcyon> It's sometimes too good. It can strip the text of some labels.
19:40 <steve30> I got all the really sticky goo off. Where the rubber coating was still in good condition, that wouldn't actually come off, so I just left it.
19:50 <steve30> That will be shown in the repair video
20:07 <Halcyon> Can I sent you a parcel? You would be so surprised
20:24 <steve30> sure
20:37 <Halcyon> PM me your address
20:50 <Halcyon> I'll send you some goodies :P
20:55 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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21:22 <steve30> It had better include a tasty boy :p
21:36 <Halcyon> Shipping might be a bit steep for that :P
21:39 <Halcyon> Do you like sweets?
21:43 <Halcyon> Or Chillis?
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22:18 <steve30> nah, I'm more of a chocolate person
22:23 * Halcyon spanks the Kuschelpony 
22:25 * steve30 is nibbling on chocolate right now :)
22:36 <Halcyon> Okies. I'll include some chocolately things :P
22:44 <steve30> ooh, thanks
23:23 <Kuschelpony> whinny?
24:30 <Halcyon> Do you need Mini DV tapes? Otherwise some vintage puter stuff? Hi-8 tapes?
25:05 <steve30> I'd say its not worth posting spare tapes from Australia, but if you're sending stuff anyway, might as well.
25:10 <steve30> I don't have any Hi-8 machines
25:31 <Halcyon> A pack of 5 DV tapes weighs nothing
25:37 <Halcyon> Size doesn't matter
26:48 <Halcyon> Do you need any old computer parts?
26:58 <steve30> hmm
27:17 <steve30> Maybe I should have a rummage through your stash of parts
27:32 <Halcyon> You can rummage around down there any time :-)
27:46 <Halcyon> Might have to do a video calol
27:49 <Halcyon> *call
29:21 <Halcyon> But we shall talk tomorrow
29:44 <steve30> I do need laptop HDDs/memory if you happen to have the right types
29:57 <Halcyon> Yep
30:06 <Halcyon> Let me know what type you need and I'll have a look
31:18 <steve30> My Raspberry Pi PBX has had a shortage of incoming calls lately if you want to give me a ring sometime.
31:20 <steve30> :p
31:58 <Halcyon> Sure :)
32:10 <Halcyon> I'm going to pop next door for a bit right now though
32:19 <steve30> ok
34:13 <steve30> PC2100S DDR 266 laptop size
47:36 <Ysjoelfir> Happy Afterchristmas to you all!
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45:09 <hsn> marry xtmas Ysjoelfir
45:18 <Ysjoelfir> same to you my friend :)
45:42 <hsn> how is u with the job application
51:42 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno?
06:00 <K> hiya Ysjoelfir
06:20 <K> (waves a pancake, covered with raspberry jam)
06:47 <Ysjoelfir> Oy blin!
10:11 <K> has the card arrived?
15:14 <Ysjoelfir> not yet I think
20:31 <K> huh
20:42 <Ysjoelfir> german post is veeeeeeeeeeery slow atm
20:54 <K> oh
21:19 <Ysjoelfir> still waiting for headphones I bought at the 12th and were send on the 13th
23:09 <steve30> The post here has been slow. My Prescription which came from the next city took several days, and a christmas card took a week. But my Chinesium which came all the way from China made it in about 10 days.
23:41 <K> ours is holding up quite nicely
23:44 <K> to my surprise
24:06 <K> took 2 days for local cards to arrive
24:26 <K> what headphones, Ysjoelfir ?
30:40 <Ysjoelfir> Sony MDR-XB700
35:52 <Ysjoelfir> I was looking for XB1000, but those seem even more rare
38:01 * Ampera hugs the Ysjoelfir 
38:10 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera
38:20 <Ampera> how tight are you locked down over there in Germany
38:35 <Ysjoelfir> you know if and when Halcyon gets up? :)
38:45 <Ysjoelfir> oh, rather tight actually. but not very tight at all
38:54 <Ampera> eevblog time
38:55 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 23:38 Sydney time.
38:59 <Ampera> he's just about to go to bed
39:00 <Ysjoelfir> like, on paper like "dont move!". in reality: "meh. its fine"
39:04 <Ampera> he'll probably be up in +8 or +10 hours
39:12 <Ysjoelfir> ok, thanks :)
40:30 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, was just curious, as the package I sent will require someone to manually deliver presents to a couple people
41:00 <Ampera> here we have no lockdown, we're going to a sit down restaurant to eat tomorrow
41:45 <Ysjoelfir> nah, its relatively fine, if you don't stay out late.
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