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18:33 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
21:11 <rust_collector> humm humm humm.
21:21 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
21:32 <rust_collector> all the dumb ideas one can have....
22:03 <Nothing\> nothing like starting off the day with an argument with a cabbie
22:20 <Nothing\> asshole was blocking us in, so we beep the horn and he inches up like a foot, still blocking us in
22:34 <Nothing\> so we beep again, wait, beep, finally he moves his ass
22:43 <Nothing\> then he has the gall to tell me fuck you
23:17 <rust_collector> that is why you should have a very jacked up pickup, I guess
23:18 <Nothing\> cuz we're totally in the wrong for him blocking us in and forcing us to cut across 2 lanes of traffic to pull out
23:26 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
23:34 <Nothing\> well my mom drives an SUV but she doesn't know how to use it
23:38 <Nothing\> lol
23:42 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
23:54 <Nothing\> like, it takes her over a minute just to find her horn
24:00 <Nothing\> she's such a non-aggressive driver
24:13 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
24:18 <Nothing\> me, i'd be out there with a damn crow bar bashing in windshields
24:19 <rust_collector> an suv tends to have trouble getting over cars. you need a proper pickup with 38s or more
24:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, eh i'm pissy, but otherwise okay
24:34 <Nothing\> plus i have to poop but can't
24:36 * Ampera pisses on the pisser
24:37 <Nothing\> which is ironic
24:41 <Nothing\> oh wait a minute
24:43 <Nothing\> i'm not pissy
24:46 <Nothing\> i'm in a shitty mood
24:50 <Nothing\> that's it
24:55 <Ampera> I'd say you're just full of shit
25:04 <Nothing\> that too, very much so
25:15 <Nothing\> i think those 4 apple crisps i ate last week are finally trying to come out
25:19 <Nothing\> D:
25:22 <Ampera> Friday, last day of doing things until Monday
25:23 <Nothing\> trying being the key word
25:31 <Nothing\> each apple crisp being nearly 2lbs
25:39 <Ampera> You, my friend, are weird.
25:48 <Nothing\> i'd just sit down and devour the entire thing in one night
26:01 <Nothing\> lol dude i used to do stuff like that all the time
26:13 <Nothing\> it's part of how i got diabeetus when i was only 30
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26:13 <Ampera> I made tuna melts last night.
26:18 <Nothing\> yet not overweight
26:22 <Ampera> I tried using whole tuna, but that didn't work out as I imagined
26:26 <Nothing\> hrm a tuna melt actually sounds pretty good
26:29 <Nothing\> or tuna casserole
26:33 <Ampera> it wasn't bad, but it was a bit messy to cook, and it didn't come out amazing
26:33 <Nothing\> oooh yeah
26:49 <Ampera> I'm making chicken, gravy, and mushrooms today with texas toast
26:51 <Nothing\> man, my brother's ex made the best tuna casserole
27:12 <Nothing\> it's a shame my mom's passed her "mommy" phase and doesn't do much home cooking anymore
27:30 <Nothing\> she will do on sundays but that's about it
28:11 <Nothing\> oh man, Ampera
28:18 <Nothing\> we got a new dining room set the other day
28:23 <Nothing\> got an amazing deal on it
28:28 <Nothing\> lemme measure the table
29:34 <Nothing\> 40x60in without the leaf
29:54 <Ampera> nice
30:14 <Ampera> I intend to build my own furniture when I move out
30:30 <Nothing\> sorry i got cut off
30:34 <Nothing\> so it's a table that big
30:37 <Nothing\> plus 6 chairs
30:39 <Nothing\> only $200
30:43 <Nothing\> solid oak, too
30:46 <Nothing\> no particle board
30:46 <Ampera> nice
30:58 <Nothing\> yeah dude, the thing's huge
31:01 <Nothing\> the cats love it
31:05 <Ampera> so much furniture is chipboard crap these days, it's always nice to see things being made from real wood
31:14 <Nothing\> tell me about it dude
31:22 <Nothing\> i come from furniture, almost literally
31:32 <Nothing\> my dad was a furniture salesman, and his father before him
31:43 <Nothing\> not sure what HIS father before HIM did, but you know
32:07 <Nothing\> he was probably a farmer since he was some sort of briton or scot
32:35 <Nothing\> ah, londonderry apparently
33:16 <Nothing\> damn you Ampera
33:31 <Nothing\> i only JUST finished winding the tape measure back up from measuring that table for your sake
33:56 <Nothing\> i couldn't find a proper tape measure so i just used the sort that a seamstress or tailor would use that doesn't wind back up on its own
34:27 <Nothing\> lol oh dude Ampera one thing you've gotta get for your cats
34:43 <Nothing\> is one of those things that projects light spots all over your room
35:06 <Nothing\> my mom got a christmas themed one that projects trippy snowflake type stuff on the ceiling and my cats go nuts over it
35:44 <Nothing\> lol luci kept getting up on the table and standing on her hind legs to try and reach the ceiling, so i picked up her up lifted her up to the ceiling and it just scared the crap out of her
36:06 <Nothing\> oh yeah dude, and i think i have my record for my longest cat scratch ever, 8 inches
36:38 <Nothing\> i was trying to hold luci and she got skiddish and kicked off of me with her claws and i never wear a shirt so she got my stomach good
37:23 <Nothing\> neither cat really likes being held, which is fine by me cuz smokey's turning into fucking jabba the hutt
38:06 <Nothing\> he's at least 5x bigger than when we got him
38:37 <Nothing\> and apparently maine coons don't reach full size until they're 2 or so, so he's still gonna keep growing
38:58 <Nothing\> lol he has these weird tufts of fur between his toes. I've never seen such a thing on a cat before
39:53 <Nothing\> why does everybody stop talking when i come in? :P
40:58 <rust_collector> well, you do not leave any space to put text....
41:43 <Nothing\> rust_collector, tbh part of it is just sorta like throwing a buncha shit on a wall and seeing what sticks
41:57 <rust_collector> yep
42:02 <Nothing\> in terms of, trying to elicit a response from somebody in here that will turn into a conversation
42:29 <Nothing\> and part just me purging my thoughts into the buffer of this channel for reasons that are beyond me
42:49 <Nothing\> loneliness maybe
43:42 <rust_collector> if you hurry up, you can come with me.
44:59 <rust_collector> https://bit.ly/2K8ZKjz
45:14 <Ampera> I'm working atm is why
45:17 Join: TheDude ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
45:56 <Ampera> hi TheDude how are you
49:38 <Nothing\> huh
49:57 <Nothing\> apparently within the next 30 years at least 6 counties in arizona will be uninhabitable
50:03 <Nothing\> so how's that different from now?
50:19 <Ampera> they probably said that thirty years ago
50:29 <Nothing\> i mean, the state has 2 different deserts in it
50:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, you ever heard the running joke about sustainable nuclear fusion reactions that we can produce electricity from
51:03 <Ampera> yes I have
51:06 <Ampera> it's always thirty years away
51:09 <Nothing\> ah good
51:23 <Nothing\> well i was gonna say "it was 50 years away 50 years ago"
51:26 <Nothing\> but yeah, same jist
52:02 <TheDude> hey
52:15 <Ampera> hi TheDude how are you
52:25 <TheDude> alright
52:46 <TheDude> the cunts are autodialing my phone again from various european numbers
52:56 <Ampera> not the cunts!
52:58 <TheDude> need to find some sort of app that automatically blocks their shit
53:15 <Ampera> I solve that issue by simply not having a leaked number
53:35 <TheDude> there's a local tech forum
53:54 <TheDude> and many people are reporting the same problem, there's a huge thread about it
54:11 <TheDude> apparently it's quite likely that they're just randomly dialing numbers to see who responds
55:40 <Nothing\> why does my body always seem to do the opposite of what i need it to do
55:48 <Nothing\> like all morning at the clinic i've had to poop
55:52 <Ampera> perhaps you've been possessed
56:02 <Nothing\> but as soon as i get home, nope no more poop-need
56:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've genuinely wondered something similar
56:20 <Ampera> I once went an entire weekend, friday to monday, without pooping
56:42 <Nothing\> but that i'm being tormented by an evil being of some ephemeral nature
57:10 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've gone nearly 2 weeks and had poops bigger than my head
57:29 <Ampera> why didn't I think you'd beat me on that
57:35 <Nothing\> the worst was when i used to fill the bowl like 4 or 5 times each poop
57:47 <Ampera> brings a whole new literal meaning to full of shit
57:55 <Ampera> either that or canada has some tiny ass bowls
57:58 Join: coppice ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
58:00 <Nothing\> doubly so when it'd get clogged on the first flush
58:24 <Nothing\> then i've still gotta poop, but have to unclog the toilet before i can continue
58:51 <Nothing\> so here i am, using the plunger, desperately trying to liberate this clog with no luck
59:31 <Nothing\> finally i resort to just going full strength on it, regardless of how much splashing occurs, jamming coathangers up it, and pouring in copious amounts of liquid soap
59:59 <Nothing\> eventually after probably 10 minutes of struggling, i got the clog down and i could finally sit back down and finish pooping
00:13 <Nothing\> meanwhile i'm all covered in shit water head to toe
00:27 <Nothing\> my bathroom's all covered in shit water cuz the toilet overflowed several times
00:45 <Nothing\> but i don't care cuz i've still gotta shit like there's no tomorrow
01:14 <Nothing\> then i had to clean the bathroom up before myself, cuz let's face it you're not cleaning up something like that without getting messy
01:50 <rust_collector> maybe you should have a chat with hsn
01:54 <TheDude> fucking hell
02:08 <Nothing\> TheDude, yeah that was one of the worst poops i've ever had
02:11 <TheDude> I've had a clogged toilet before, but nothing of this scale
02:12 <Nothing\> definitely the messiest
02:23 <Nothing\> lol i was almost gonna type messier
02:35 <Nothing\> i had a poop so big it turned into a messier object
02:51 <Nothing\> (as in the messier catalog of astronomical objects)
04:49 <Nothing\> oh sweet
05:23 <Nothing\> this updated version of paul falstad's online circuit simulator has operational transconductance amplifiers based on the LM13700
05:37 <Nothing\> i have a buncha these chips and i've always wanted to learn how to use them
06:06 <Nothing\> i guess that's sorta like an op amp, but not
06:26 <TheDude> here's what I've never really figured out
06:29 <Nothing\> i'm not even completely sure what transconductance is
06:34 <TheDude> why would anyone use the falstad thing?
06:45 <TheDude> sure, getting the grips around basic circuitry
06:48 <Nothing\> TheDude, i use(d) it for education mostly
06:51 <TheDude> but beyond that it's useless
07:13 <TheDude> learn to use ltspice and never look back
07:38 <Nothing\> yeah, it's great for understanding circuits more intuitively by being able to visualize what's going on and easy probe voltage, current and power, among other things
08:09 <Nothing\> plus i can experiment with ideas and still get at least a rough idea of what's gonna happen
08:18 <Nothing\> but i keep that use to a minimum
08:56 <Nothing\> but the way i see it, if i'm using it for that, so long as i understand it's inaccurate and take the data with a grain of salt it shouldn't be a problem.
09:14 <Nothing\> TheDude, plus i've found it's a lot more intuitive to use than spice
09:26 <TheDude> the last point is fair
09:34 <TheDude> most spice GUIs are absolute shit
09:40 <Nothing\> TheDude, like when i started using it, i was so new to electronics, i didn't even know what an ohm was
09:40 <TheDude> or they don't even exist
09:49 <Nothing\> much less what parts i needed to get started building circuits
09:57 <TheDude> LTspice is such a clunking mess
10:13 <TheDude> but you kinda sorta learn to love (tolerate?) it
10:41 <Nothing\> but by playing around in circuitsim, i was able to learn enough about circuits and electronics/electrics that i knew what parts i needed and finally knew enough to start building circuits in real life
10:50 <TheDude> I don't know much about the expensive paid spice software, other than multisim, which is shit
10:55 <Nothing\> without circuitmod, i'm not sure i ever would have made that leap
11:07 <Nothing\> i have this other software called circuitwizard
11:13 <Nothing\> it's kinda... weird
11:19 <TheDude> isn't that the altium thing?
11:31 <Nothing\> no, i don't believe so. lemme see who makes them.
11:36 <TheDude> oh, no, nvm
11:51 <Nothing\> i know for parts, it has these MCUs called "genie" as the brand i guess
12:19 <Nothing\> which i've never heard of in any other context. But it seems to double as an IDE for such boards. Which are coded in basic of all things.
12:26 <Nothing\> Or by way of a flow chart
12:32 <Nothing\> very simplistic
12:56 <Nothing\> but a lot of the software felt like an advert for those genie boards and chips
13:25 <Nothing\> but again, it wasn't completely useless cuz that was my first exposure to MCUs and i was able to see the sorts of things they were capable of doing
13:39 <Nothing\> and needless to say, i wanted one asap once i realized the implications
14:10 <Nothing\> even if it was justan arduino. Though I'd love to program some variety of 8051/52 some day
14:22 <TheDude> the best thing to do, IMO, would be to dive in head-first
14:35 <TheDude> no arduino or other turds/shortcuts
14:58 <TheDude> get a dev board with something like an atmega
15:01 <TheDude> NOT arduino
15:05 <Nothing\> indeed, like i was saying to arch the other day day. The best way to improve yourself is to push yourself beyond what you're comfortable with
15:16 <TheDude> you want PC.0-PC.8 markings on the board
15:21 <TheDude> err
15:24 <TheDude> PC.7
15:35 <TheDude> not random arbitrary two-digit arduino bullshit numbers
15:48 <TheDude> and then follow tutorials that can be found online
15:48 <Nothing\> what if i got an atmega and a ch341 usb to serial converter and built my own arduino
16:01 <TheDude> and really go through them slowly and try to understand what each command does
16:06 <TheDude> no
16:12 <Nothing\> lol i know, i was kidding
16:18 <Nothing\> i've heard good things about STM32s
16:24 <TheDude> buy one AVR ISP programmer
16:27 <TheDude> they're dirt cheap
16:28 <Nothing\> my only issue is in knowing what kit i need to program it
16:36 <Nothing\> both in terms of hardware and software
16:41 <TheDude> hold on, let me find something for you
16:55 <TheDude> okay, there's one more thing
17:05 <TheDude> the cheap AVRs have no good way of debugging
17:23 <Nothing\> honestly TheDude i've fiddled with arduinos and it was nothing but a headache trying to get non-native libraries to work
17:30 * electrohead hands you a hammer
17:30 <Nothing\> or even be recognized by the IDE
17:32 <TheDude> you can debug the software inside the IDE with a virtual microcontroller
17:35 <electrohead> there you go, debug away :D
17:36 <TheDude> FFS
17:39 * Nothing\ eats the hammer
17:49 <electrohead> lol, g'morning o/
17:50 <TheDude> there's the problem with the arduino mindset
17:54 <TheDude> hurr durr, just use a library
17:58 <TheDude> fuck that, no
18:06 <electrohead> everyone has an issue with everything
18:16 <electrohead> everyone has their own methods and ways
18:18 <TheDude> write your own library for the basic things and learn to use things gradually
18:21 <Nothing\> TheDude, well keep in mind the whole reason i went with electronics is because i wasn't very good at programming lol
18:30 <Nothing\> oh if only i knew the can of worms i was opening
18:33 <TheDude> just slapping together different garbage libraries isn't going to get you anywhere
19:04 <Nothing\> lol i also got into it because i suck at math and i didn't realize at the time how much math wos involved in electronics
19:04 <TheDude> hate to break it to you, but you'll need at least some basic programming skills to do pretty much anything in electronics these days
19:20 <TheDude> at least eevblog Dave's level of skills
19:21 <electrohead> math is in everything :p
19:38 <Nothing\> TheDude, i've noticed many parellels actually between programming and even just putting logic chips together and what not
20:10 <Nothing\> the same sort of process of formulating some sort of algorithm to accomplish a task in a less tedious manner
20:37 <TheDude> right
20:50 <TheDude> programming is just about efficiently breaking problems down into small chunks
21:04 <TheDude> solving those little problems and then putting the pieces together
21:06 <electrohead> TheDude: do you write your own libraries?
21:11 <Nothing\> TheDude, that's problem solving in a nutshell
21:12 <TheDude> of course
21:27 <Nothing\> argh damn mystery itching on my hands
21:27 <TheDude> Nothing\, right, which is exactly what programming is in the end
21:35 <TheDude> you just need to learn the syntax, that's it
22:01 <electrohead> Nothing\: woah, hey, do your hands randomly break out, after itching them?
22:03 <rust_collector> ok, I guess I am going on a trip, have fun.
22:27 <TheDude> bye
22:36 * electrohead pokes rust_collector and waves
23:29 <electrohead> TheDude: do you have any of your libraries on github/gitlab/etc?
23:34 <TheDude> nope
23:38 <Nothing\> electrohead, yeah, the more i scratch the more the redness of the rash spreads
23:48 <Nothing\> but it responds well to cortisone cream
23:49 <electrohead> TheDude: thought so, lol
24:13 <TheDude> the sad part about programming is that most of the good stuff is not publicly shared :D
24:24 <electrohead> but, it's not really a rash? err, as in, in doesn't get irritated and swells?
24:27 <TheDude> just look at the tutorials on the internet
24:30 <Nothing\> too bad they took 2.5% cortisone off the market so you can only get 1%
24:47 <TheDude> most of them are written by clueless idiots that started fiddling with <subject> like a month ago
24:48 <Nothing\> electrohead, nah, it just turns red
24:56 <Nothing\> and whatever turns red, gets itchy
25:40 <electrohead> I think I have almost the same thing going on, doesn't irritate much, doesn't swell, yet it itches like fuck, gets red, and drives me insane
25:48 <electrohead> and it's *always* with dry weather
25:53 <Nothing\> yeah, try getting some 1% cortisone cream
26:02 <Nothing\> it blocks histamine so, no itchy
26:02 <electrohead> I shall, now
26:04 <electrohead> thanks
26:16 <Nothing\> np, plus it moisturizes the area which is always a plus
26:22 <Nothing\> since dry skin can cause itching
26:49 <electrohead> TheDude: well, I'd rather not go after any random tutorial, but I do like to find material(s) to learn from
27:55 <Nothing\> i've gotta teach my cats to wash me
28:02 <electrohead> lol
28:13 <Nothing\> one day i dream of being able to strip nude, lie on the floor and just have my cats lick me clean
28:20 <electrohead> o.o
28:27 * electrohead walks away from this conversation
28:37 <TheDude> Nothing\, something like this might be alright
28:38 <TheDude> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2020-Development-Board-Kit-for-ATMEL-AVR128-ATMEGA128A-Mega128-bootloader/200949695738
28:41 <Nothing\> well you usually get nude when you bath, do you net?
28:43 <Ampera> hi electrohead
28:45 <Ampera> how are you doing
28:48 <TheDude> plenty of circuitry on the board to play with
28:48 <Nothing\> and the cat's already nude
29:04 <Nothing\> TheDude, hrm i dunno, i'm not so interested in AVRs
29:14 <TheDude> and by the time you figure out how to use all of them, you're likely ready to start using something bigger
29:27 <TheDude> I recommended AVR because they're simple
29:28 <Nothing\> like i said, i'm more comfortable programming assembly on 8051/52s of all other MCUs
29:41 <TheDude> oh, I must have missed that
29:53 <TheDude> then I'd recommend SiLabs' EFM8 series
30:09 <TheDude> 8051 core, modern, fancy peripherals inside
31:04 <Nothing\> hrm
31:24 <Nothing\> i really wish i could use that 8051 simulator i had for linux
32:07 <TheDude> https://gitlab.com/david.j/temperature_regulator/
32:16 <coppice> It amazes me how much complex and sophisticated stuff people will put on a chip with an 8051 core
32:25 <TheDude> here's a thing I built with it
32:38 <TheDude> the code is absolutely rough and dirty, because the deadline was incredibly tight :D
33:06 <TheDude> also trying to save those precious clock cycles everywhere, because the timing was tight, too
33:26 <TheDude> so as little subroutine calls as possible and such
33:43 <Nothing\> but now that i'm no longer relegated to using a Pi 3 as my primary computer i have little to no reason to ever hook it up, much less use it for anything
33:51 <Nothing\> maybe play with the GPIO or something, i dunno
34:14 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind probing a signal on a serial output and seeing what that looks like on my scope
34:50 <TheDude> speaking of probing digital signals
35:26 <TheDude> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001621950241.html
35:28 <TheDude> buy this
35:43 <TheDude> it's a cheap ripoff of the first version of the saleae analyzer
35:53 <TheDude> and it's incredibly handy for observing slow digital signals
36:41 <electrohead> that first board looks fun to play with
36:45 <electrohead> hey Ampera
36:48 <electrohead> I'm alright
37:08 <TheDude> anyhow, I have to go now
37:15 <TheDude> see you, bye
37:22 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
37:53 <Nothing\> ah, right on
38:03 <Nothing\> and i have an extensive ordering history on aliexpress
39:46 <electrohead> Nothing\: get the 16 channel version, costs not too much more, and you get 16 channels instead of 8
39:53 <electrohead> saying that, because that's what I did
39:56 <electrohead> :p
40:09 <electrohead> the knock-off versions work decently well with sigrok, too
40:17 <electrohead> mm, do you know about sigrok?
41:34 <electrohead> coppice: yeah, it is, and probably because 'it works' hahaha
42:15 <electrohead> I remember seeing a teardown/RE video some time ago, of a set top box, and the main 'encryption chip' (forget what it was exactly called) had the 8051 at the center of attention
45:59 <K> regarding those cheap 8-channel logic analysers - the pulse view software is somewhat clunky
47:39 <K> you might get lucky and get one with older fx2 chip and that still works with saleaes Logic software
47:45 <coppice> electrohead: the encryption chip probably only needs the 8051 for simple things like configuration. However, there are lots of chips with 256k or 512k of flash, doing really complex things in the 8051, where programming them in C fills up that flash really fast because the core is so clunky
49:06 <Nothing\> lol my cats are going nuts over the squirrels in the backyard
49:47 <coppice> we seem to have had a lot less squirrels than usual this year
49:52 <Nothing\> smokey's trying to pounce in them trhough the door
50:06 <Nothing\> coppice, you get red or grey/brown squirrels where you are mostly?
50:32 <coppice> only grey
50:42 <Nothing\> yeah, same here
51:04 <coppice> we usually see them running along the wooden fences almost every day, but not this year
51:08 <Nothing\> apparently back before north america was colonized, the used to migrate by the millions in the spring and fall
51:38 <Nothing\> cuz they could make the entire trip through the treetops without ever having to come down and risk predation
51:44 <coppice> then they invaded the UK, and drove out the red ones
52:05 <Nothing\> but once we started colonizing and stripping the forests, the squirrels didn't have the trees anymore, so the migrations stopped
52:26 <electrohead> I had a crazy grey squirrel chomping away at the wooden frame around the one window upstairs, it used to terrorize my ex-girlfriend lol
52:56 <Nothing\> the last one recorded in the 60's or 70's some time by a boater who reported millions of squirrels swimming across the body of water he was on, as it was a relatively small body.
53:14 <coppice> in the UK they are very happy on the ground. go to any place with trees and short open grass and its full of squirrels.
53:47 <Nothing\> yeah butc grey squirrels are invasive to the UK
54:03 <coppice> every cemetery in the UK is full of squirrels
54:17 <Nothing\> weird
54:21 <Ampera> I'd imagine they'd be full of people
54:31 <Nothing\> so i forget, do you live in the UK or was this at another point?
54:36 <Ampera> I don't know why you'd bury a squirrel in a cemetery
54:57 <Nothing\> pet cemetary
54:59 <Nothing\> DUH
55:04 <Nothing\> what are you? new?
55:05 <coppice> although they don't just like quiet undisturbed places. The love parks, because they are happy around people, and people give food
55:06 <Ampera> who the fuck has a squirrel as a pet
55:14 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've seen it
55:27 <Nothing\> not first hand, but i've seen iveodso f people who do
55:38 <coppice> Ampera: you don't know what people keep as pets. They squirrel them away
58:56 <Ampera> coppice, do you think I give a rat's ass?
59:20 <coppice> what? for Christmas?
59:44 <Ampera> It's the gift that keeps on gifting.
59:53 <coppice> no shit
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07:05 <Nothing\> it's no deffiret fromlol
07:07 <Nothing\> lol
07:17 <Nothing\> gonna watch robin hood: men in tights with my mum
07:22 <Nothing\> haven't seen this in ages
07:39 <Nothing\> one of my mel brooks' finest imo
07:49 <Nothing\> though there are a bunch i still need to see
08:03 <Nothing\> blazing saddles and young frankenstein in particular
08:53 <coppice> The ones with Gene Wilder are the best
09:10 <Nothing\> was he in dracula: head and loving it?
09:19 <Nothing\> cuz i swear he was the orderly at the asylum
09:42 <Nothing\> or maybe one of the monty python crew or somebody fmailiar i couldn't put my finger on and the credits failed to identify
11:11 <Nothing\> lemme ask you something coppice
11:20 <Nothing\> with a bunch power supply, is it okay to let them sink current?
12:38 <Nothing\> well i was gonna use the exmaple of putting a 2nd dc source in series with an initial source to create a DC offset but i'm not even sure that would cause it to sink any current. i would think the current would just go trhoughh it
12:49 <coppice> most of them won't sink current at all. Some of the older high end bench supplies were expensive because they were 4 quadrant. These days they seem to have disappeared
17:59 <K> havent seen 4quadrants anywhere but SMUs
18:17 <Nothing\> coppice, i'd imagine to keep the price point down, no doubt.
19:11 <Nothing\> also on an unrelated note, in A New Hope, everybody makes jokes about Luke saying he was going to the toshi station to puck up some power converters
19:23 <coppice> probably because so few people used that functionality it was just making products too expensive to sell
20:03 <Nothing\> frankly i think he was just in the market for an SMPS
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27:23 <Ysjoelfir> re from shopping \o/
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27:49 <Ampera> stop it Ysjoelfir you're making me hungry
27:51 <Ampera> and I am very hungry
27:59 <Ysjoelfir> We will have..... oh, ok :(
28:01 <Ampera> buh, but I still have 90 minutes to go until I can go and cook food
28:29 * electrohead makes tuna and offers
28:45 * Ysjoelfir innocently blows some of the smells from his BBQ to Ampera
28:47 <Ampera> it's a special kinda hungry when you start looking at food on wikipedia
28:54 * Ysjoelfir grabs electrohead 's tuna and puts it on his BBQ
28:56 * Ampera begins to gnaw on Ysjoelfir 
29:09 <Kuschelpony> Hello Guri22 how is your circuit going?
31:31 <Guri22> I am here to tell you a good news! I finally solved the problem by isolating MAX7219 on a different breadboard and used 2nd 7805 IC to power it.
32:31 <Guri22> The only ripples visible now are 100 Hz 70mV peak to peak on
32:52 <Nothing\> Guri22, you new here?
33:17 <Guri22> No high frequency noise. Although MAX7219's power rail is still messed. Let it be lol.
33:20 <Ampera> Guri22, only respond to him as if you were being asked that question in a prison.
33:22 <Nothing\> i don't recall seeing you here, but you talk as if you know peolpe here. from the forum perhaps?
33:35 <Guri22> Yeah bro!
33:41 <Ampera> oh dear
33:50 * Ampera prepares another body bag
33:53 <Nothing\> ah, well welcome, brother. <3
35:00 <Kuschelpony> Nothing, its a followup questuion fropm his first visit yesterday
35:10 <Nothing\> ah i see
35:26 <Nothing\> i wasn't here for that, so i'm out of my element on this one :)
35:35 <Guri22> I am sorry. I didn't notice, I'll respond him personally next time.
35:56 <Nothing\> Guri22, lol he was just joking with you
36:08 <Guri22> okay :D
36:22 <Nothing\> cuz i tend to ramble on well past the point you stopped readin-]
36:52 <Ampera> What I was actually expecting was bloody murder, but I guess I'll go disappointed again today
37:24 <Kuschelpony> at least i am happy that we could solve the issue, it was then most probably the return current of the LEDs messing up the ground
38:32 <Nothing\> weird
38:37 <Guri22> Yeah I too believe that
38:49 <Guri22> Cheers!
38:51 <Nothing\> i half fell asleep and when i woke up i started carrying my keyboard into the kitchen with me-
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46:01 <Nothing\> bah
46:13 <Nothing\> apparently the stress relief on my microphone wasn't enough and the wire broke
46:28 <Nothing\> thankfully it was just one of those $5 dollar store mics
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51:10 * electrohead solders it back together for you
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06:07 <Nothing> what's the command in hexchat to open a new server tab?
06:44 <Nothing> /say /server -??? <server url>
07:20 <Nothing> weird that it included the /say i put in there to indicate i wanted to say it rather than enter it as a command
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09:53 <Nothing> so, learning powershell, is it worth it?
12:13 <Ysjoelfir> learning stuff is always worth it
14:35 <Nothing> indeed
15:00 <Nothing> i'm just so tired, i can scarcely keep awake more than a fw mintes before nodding off
15:11 <Nothing> even with a cup of coffee and dose of noopet
22:15 <Ysjoelfir> then go to sleep...?
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37:21 <Nothing> nah i can't
37:31 <Nothing> if i went to sleep, i wouldn't be up till like 8pm
38:20 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20201218_133255.jpg
38:34 <Nothing> hey Ampera
38:42 <Nothing> can i tell you something?
38:46 <Ampera> no
38:57 <Nothing> well i'm going to anyways cuz it needs to be said
39:07 <Ampera> then why ask
40:25 <Nothing> etiquette?
40:26 <Nothing> lol
40:51 <Nothing> anyways here goes
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45:49 <Nothing> Ampera, you're a great person with an amazing passion for vintage electronics which is rare for a person your age, as well as the way you conduct yourself in genera
47:47 <Ampera> I have an passion for vintage electronics?
48:05 <Ampera> I mean I suppose it's a hobby, but I wouldn't call it a direct passion
52:45 <Ysjoelfir> today at aldi: A 13€ "High quality* Digital Multimeter" *If all you have is a screwdriver with a neon bulb in it
53:26 <Ampera> So long as that bulb only ever shines at one intensity, it is indeed digital
56:35 <Nothing> Ampera, well, the computer stuff anyways
57:02 <Nothing> you're always a pleasure to talk to, honestly of all the peolpe in here you are my favourite to talk with
57:34 <Nothing> and one of the few i don't mind poking fun at my insecurities about talking too much in here
57:51 <Nothing> or rather poking fun at the fact that i do it, not my insecurities so much
58:05 <Nothing> i meant more despite my insecurities, i don't mind
58:40 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: did you buy it? lol
58:44 <Nothing> cuz i know you're a genuine person and when you talk and act like the good friend you've been to me, it's pretty easy to forget one's insecurities
59:09 <Ampera> sorry all I saw was talking too much and zoned out the rest
59:13 * Ampera hugs Nothing 
59:27 <Ysjoelfir> mr head: no, but I took a pic
59:29 <Nothing> Ampera, you're hands down my closest and my most trusted friend, and that makes me feel good to know i have a friend like you there for me if/when i need it
59:38 <Nothing> and that i can return the favor at any time
02:00 * Nothing hugs Ampera <3
02:06 <Nothing> Ampera, thanks for existing, buddy
02:22 <Nothing> cuz merely by existing, you've enriched my life
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25:15 <Nothing> Ampera, sorry, I meant to say more but i kinda fell asleep in the middle of it
25:34 <Nothing> my point is, i consider you a valuable friend and I'm grateful to have in my life
26:36 <Ampera> you've said this before
27:00 <Ampera> unfortunate you haven't changed your mind yet, but we can't all be perfect
28:52 * electrohead offers scrambled eggs with ham, cheese, and hashbrowns
30:05 * Ampera offers chicken in mushrooms in red gravy
30:21 <Ampera> * in -> and
30:31 <electrohead> just looked at your picture, that looks good
30:42 <electrohead> and now a beer to wash it down :P
30:50 <electrohead> why does guiness taste so good? >.<
30:50 <Ampera> >:(
30:52 <Ampera> no beer
31:21 <electrohead> I'm not giving you one, don't worry lol
31:30 <Ampera> I also have cheesy texas toast on the side, which I am dipping into the gravy
32:10 <Ampera> (the gravy being the drippings and grease in the pan combined with a can of turkey gravy)
32:16 <Ampera> it's red because paprika is like water to me
32:45 <Ampera> Black pepper, onion powder, and paprika are my three most essential spices
38:42 <Nothing> neat
39:05 <Nothing> i just figured out how to draw using a magenetic field as my medium
40:47 <Nothing> cuz if i take thin really tiny neodiddlium magnet and use it to "write" on the surfoce of something magnetic like a fridge magnet
42:19 <Nothing> and those fridge magnets have a strang enugh pattern of magnetization with alternating lines of north and south running across them
44:04 <Kuschelpony> its the integrated form of the Halbach Array pattern
44:18 <Kuschelpony> double strength on one side, barely any on the other
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47:54 <TheDude> howdy
57:32 <Lord_of_nothing> Grüss Gott
12:39 <Nothing> huh, there's an amber alert
13:24 <Ysjoelfir> Wen soll ich grüßen?
13:33 <Ysjoelfir> and I like amber.
13:38 <Nothing> surprised that didn't wake me up, the phone's right next to me and i just passedo out cuz i've only had like 2 hours of sleep and i've got mick jagger quantities of sedatives in me
13:52 <Ysjoelfir> I still suggest going to bed
13:59 <Nothing> ffs wtf
14:09 <Nothing> i just cleared the amber alert and there it goes off again
14:25 <Ysjoelfir> no idea what that is supposed to be
14:38 <Nothing> an amber alert?
14:48 <Ampera> my phone doesn't seem to get amber alerts
14:55 <Ampera> or there simply just haven't been any, which I doubt
15:07 <Ampera> not that I'm upset, as my iPhone does get them, and it's why I now keep that thing on airplane mode
15:14 <Ampera> so it doesn't screech at me at three in the morning
15:33 <Nothing> it's when a child goes missing, they put out their information and the information of the suspect and send it to every cell phone and smart TV in the area
15:50 <Ampera> yes I know what it is
15:55 <Ampera> oh
15:58 <Nothing> the effect being you get a very loud alert on your cell phone
15:59 <Ampera> you meant Ysjoelfir
16:01 <Nothing> WTF
16:03 * Ampera can't read
16:04 <Nothing> there it goes again
16:17 <Nothing> how the hell many amber alerts do they need for 1 kid
16:25 <Ampera> it's probably the same alert
16:29 <Nothing> it is
16:36 <Ampera> then turn them off
16:38 <Ysjoelfir> ah
16:41 <Nothing> oh and this is way the hell in ottawa
16:43 <Ysjoelfir> never heard of that
16:46 <Nothing> i'm nowhere near ottawa
17:09 <Nothing> Ysjoelfir, it's a north american system, i believe they use it in the US as well, me being in Canada
17:46 <Ysjoelfir> that might explain why I haven't heard of that
17:58 <Nothing> the idea being that the first 24 hours of an abduction are the most crucial. after 24 hours the odds of finding the child alive are much less
18:00 <Nothing> asoeitnaoesinhaoesinthoeasinoesaneitohsien
18:04 <Nothing> SHUT UP
18:09 <Nothing> it just went off again
19:06 <Nothing> lol it's funny, any time there's an amber alert, there are always tons of people who actually call 911 to complain about how it woke them up or otherwise disturbed their privileged lives
19:51 <Nothing> my one neighbour 2 doors down has a wife who's terminally ill and the ambulance is over there at least once or twice a week
20:14 <Nothing> and he's actually had tenants in other townhouses nearby complain about it
20:33 <Nothing> like, lodge formal complaints against the guy for having too many ambulances for his sick wife
20:40 <Nothing> who the fuck does that?
21:18 <Ampera> supposedly NYC got more snow this storm than all of last winter
21:30 <Nothing> it shouldn't anymore, but it still never ceases to amaze me how selfish some people can be
21:38 <Nothing> Ampera, that crazy dude
21:54 <Ampera> Binghamton got 41 inches
22:16 <Nothing> Ampera, i remember one year just between here and London (ontario) they got 1-1.5 meters of snow in 24 hours
22:25 <Nothing> which is like 6-7.5 feet
22:38 <Ampera> Supposedly we got 18 inches, but that's bullshit
22:42 <Ampera> we got at least two feet
22:57 <Ampera> especially as the neighboring town is reporting 24
22:59 <Nothing> they had to call in the airforce to airlift everybody off of the one equivalent of a canadian interstate
23:09 <Nothing> as even the snow plows were getting stuck
23:38 <Nothing> it's funny cuz it was a forced evacuation, but the truckers didn't wanna leave cuz they were all set up to live in their trucks
24:02 <Nothing> they had their DVD players, food, fuel, warmth, even sleeping quarters
24:22 <Nothing> but everybody was forced to evacuate
37:26 <Nothing> phew
37:39 <Nothing> that's it? just 15 minutes?
37:47 <Nothing> and here i thought i slept for like an hour or two
43:11 <Nothing> ffs and another amber alert
45:35 * Ampera pours some amber onto Nothing 
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16:07 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAXa3wTZjes
20:57 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector would enjoy
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28:00 <Nothing> there i wmas finally able to sleep some without an annoying amber alert alarm going off every 15 minutes for the same thning
28:24 <Nothing> i can see why people would complain, but not why they would call 911 to do it
28:27 <Ysjoelfir> and then I came around and woke you up
28:49 <Nothing> yeah i feel like i got enough sleep finally
29:01 <Nothing> and i'm cold, which means i was sleeping deeply
44:52 <Nothing> hrm
45:06 <Nothing> woll u stull didn't sleep very long
49:32 <Nothing> lol i found a new way to use my exercise bike
49:54 <Nothing> doing bicep curls with it holding the handlebars while standing in front of it
49:57 <Ysjoelfir> you mean besides ignoring it?
50:25 <Nothing> nah i still use it in between the 3-4 days it takes my ass to recover from sitting on the seat
51:25 <Nothing> actually i've been trying to think of exercises that would help my ass muscles to grow and give me some more padding back there and realized biking is perfect for that
52:04 <Nothing> i used to bike everywhere as a kid through teenager
52:44 <Nothing> and i still have very muscular legs, despite being almost entirely sedentary thanks to my anxiety disorder
53:28 <Nothing> makes me bounce my leg up and down at a rate of 3-4hz according to my measurements... for at least 10 hours a day
54:10 <Nothing> the result being as though i'd done thousands of calf raises a day, which i basically had been
55:00 <Nothing> i always wondered what exactly causes it, cause it's not necessarily anxiety. Though anxiety does make it worse
55:16 <Nothing> but the technical term for it is psychomotor agitation
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58:44 <Nothing> oh, this app note says an OTA is basically just like an ideal transistor
59:25 <Nothing> just a voltage controlled current source
59:32 <Nothing> or was it current controlled voltage source?
11:32 * electrohead kranks up kraftwerk
12:06 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I enjoy that as well, lol
12:15 <electrohead> err, the death metal washing machine :P
12:59 <Ysjoelfir> I assumed so^^
13:20 <electrohead> lately, I've been jamming to kraftwerk *a lot*
14:18 <coppice> This is Kraftwerk's greatest work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwaxWoJPUC0
14:19 <Nothing> i thought kraftwerk was a kmfdm song
14:26 <Nothing> or it sounds like one
18:03 <Nothing> oh, an OTA is just a CCII+?
18:54 <Nothing> so then why would this simulator have a CCII+ AND an OTA, though the current conveyor is idealized i think while the OTA is based on the LM13700
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45:12 <Lord_of_nothing> re
49:05 <electrohead> yo
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36:24 <T3sl4> oy
45:03 <Nothing> so while i was on the can just now, i got thinking
45:50 <Nothing> you know in Bram Stoker's Dracula, the one Keanu Reeves how at the end, Dracula's wearing this weird suit that looks like bare muscles?
46:36 <Nothing> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DirsXOYXcAAHHYE.jpg
46:50 <Nothing> wtf is that supposed to be made of in the movie's universe?
47:13 <Nothing> I mean, IRL it's obviously just plastic, but what on Earth was it supposed to be made of?
47:25 <Nothing> metal that's been painted pink?
48:21 <Nothing> oh yay, i've got 150k views on this one video
48:28 <Nothing> too bad i don't own the rights to it
49:05 <Nothing> for some reason there are several thousand views of the video of me after the dentist when they numbed me up so much it paralyzed my lip
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07:54 <gremlinz> that why speak dribble
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31:27 <Halcyon> Morning all
31:58 <steve30> hi
33:32 <steve30> i just woke up
33:52 <Halcyon> I'm not long up myself
33:55 <Halcyon> I had a sleep-in
36:41 <steve30> i didn't sleep too well
37:04 <Halcyon> Oh no, why not Steve?
37:11 <steve30> no idea
39:21 <gremlinz> then how you know you didn't sleep well
39:54 * Halcyon licks gremlinz 
41:06 <gremlinz> ew
41:25 * gremlinz disinfects
42:11 <Halcyon> I don't have cooties
43:12 <gremlinz> can't be too careful
43:44 <Halcyon> :P
43:46 <Halcyon> What's doing?
43:55 <gremlinz> shootin' ships
44:00 <Halcyon> ?
44:04 <gremlinz> world of warships
44:08 <Halcyon> I see
44:28 <gremlinz> then yard work most likely
44:50 <gremlinz> what you're upto
45:13 <Halcyon> Setting up my new NAS
45:31 <Halcyon> Well not exactly new, it's a server being thrown out at work, but it's newer than my current NAS
47:10 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's desk
47:36 <Halcyon> Don't mind all the crap on it at the moment :P
48:29 <T3sl4> a Halcyon! *hugs*
48:30 <gremlinz> cool
48:55 <Halcyon> YAY! T3sl4!
48:56 <gremlinz> im setting up of pfsense applicance to replace my ac88u some stage over the weekend
49:04 <Halcyon> Nice, pfSense is lovely
49:57 <Halcyon> Did you buy an appliance or you using a PC?
50:20 <gremlinz> yip, and got a new ubiquiti managed switch to provision too
50:29 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
50:41 <Halcyon> Did you get one of the Gen 2's with the LCD?
51:23 <gremlinz> bought a juniper 1U and repurposed it to run pfsense, i upgraded the cpu, ram and ssd
51:33 <gremlinz> na
51:47 <Halcyon> Neat. That should work quite well.
52:12 * steve30 wonders what Halcyon got him for Christmas
52:31 <Halcyon> steve30: I have plenty of chocolate and wine in the fridge, you are welcome to help yourself :P
52:35 <gremlinz> yea hopefully
52:52 <Halcyon> Do they use a 64-bit CPU in those Juniper boxes?
53:20 <gremlinz> yea
53:25 <Halcyon> Sweet
54:07 <Halcyon> There was talk of dropping 32-bit support in the current version of pfSense, but that isn't happening now. I suspect it will sometime not too far into the future.
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54:49 <gremlinz> yea
55:43 <steve30> mmm, chocolate
56:22 <Halcyon> I have Baileys choclate balls
56:26 <Halcyon> They are nummy
59:19 <Halcyon> Fuck I love Aussie Broadband, a solide 10+ MB/sec down, even on my shitty FTTN NBN
59:24 <Halcyon> *solid
00:10 * T3sl4 fondles one of Halcyon's balls
00:28 <Halcyon> You're welcome to pop one in your mouth T3sl4
00:36 <Halcyon> They taste like Baileys
00:43 <T3sl4> are you familiar with the, SNL? schwetty balls skit?
00:51 <Halcyon> Nope?
00:55 <Halcyon> I know what SNL is
01:10 <Halcyon> I'm watching it now
01:28 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPpcfH_HHH8
01:56 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEqxJzsAGjY
03:06 <Halcyon> That guy looks like an American Steve
03:08 <Halcyon> :P
04:11 <Halcyon> T3sl4, the humour is a little drawn out and predictable
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04:35 <T3sl4> i mean, it's SNL :P
04:39 <Halcyon> Sure
04:45 <Halcyon> I get that they have a timeslot to fill :P
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05:17 <Halcyon> I'm not a huge fan of that woman on the right
05:28 <Halcyon> I mean she is OK, but she's not overly funny
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05:39 <Halcyon> She tends to over-act a bit
33:09 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
34:44 <Halcyon> :D
34:53 * Tezzers dances
35:00 <Tezzers> I got a second bonus at work, T3sl4.
35:09 <Halcyon> Congrats Tezzers
35:27 <Tezzers> Last one was a $1,000 bonus and a piece of paper that I didn't get now that I think about it :thinking:
35:49 <T3sl4> \o/
35:51 <Tezzers> This one is a directorate performance bonus, whatever that means, for $3k
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36:22 <Tezzers> My boss on Wednesday sent me an email at literally like 6:30AM, that said "Lets have a brief chat today" and I was like ohgodohfuckwhatwhatWHAT
36:38 <Tezzers> Then she's like "You're getting another bonus, idk how much but you'll be getting a check"
37:07 <Tezzers> So not tea bag.
37:20 <T3sl4> having chats isn't always bad news
37:23 <Tezzers> I got an extra months wages in bonuses this year :shrug:
40:02 <steve30> yay $$$
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40:21 <Tezzers> I'm dreading the new year though
40:38 <Tezzers> Expecting a looooooooooooooooooot of overtime coming my way in Jan and Feb
40:46 <T3sl4> as long as they pay you forit
40:53 <Tezzers> Oh yeah yeah defo
41:37 <Tezzers> But like, we still haven't hired a new tech to replace the guy that went to another department. So we've got me, one tech, one engineer. Other engineer works 12 hours a week, semi-retired.
41:52 <Tezzers> That other tech? He's getting a hip replacement this week.
43:20 <Tezzers> So our "We've always had 5-6 guys" team? It's now y'know...2 1/4 of us. And we're way behind because covid on our upgrades. We're playing catch up for our "We're starting up in a month and a half and people are finding all the stuff that broke in the past few months of shutdown" work, on top of trying to work in our upgrades and prototypes.
44:09 <Tezzers> I can't work alone, and I can't work nights or weekends without authorization coz there's too much visibility. And my new boss is too new to bend rules, so there's no choice - if I'm working nights and weekends, there's a coworker and there's approved overtime. And this year, there's going to be /a lot/ of it.
45:04 <T3sl4> sounds like you're more valuable than ever
45:20 <T3sl4> you can work overtime, but i don't suggest working yourself overtime
45:44 <T3sl4> you have a lot of room to be lazy, take advantage of it
46:06 <Tezzers> Oh, that's already out the window. I was elected as of Monday into an officer position at the volunteer ambulance service. I'm 2021 chief dispatcher.
46:52 <Tezzers> On top of juggling like 5 active projects at work right now, and all the other shit that I know is going to spring up as people start turning stuff on and testing.
47:32 <Tezzers> It's going to be *NUTS* this year because usually people from all over the world come in to do their annual maintenance and testing and comissioning every year. That ain't happening this year, so we're going to get slammed with requests all at once I bet.
50:41 <Tezzers> But this new engineer, new supervisor. He's great. I ask him a question, he finds me an answer. He constantly asks me if there's any work he can take off my hands. He's willing to get hands on. Old supervisor/engineer? Never. Never ever ever. This guy though, came by, he's all the way up the scaffold twisted contorted putting re-cabling some modules that we pulled off. Really miserable shit job.
51:30 <Tezzers> Even after I spent a half hour in a meeting discussing what that job actually took, and I was the only one there that did it last year so It'd be good for me to do. He said nope, you got enough shit, I'll take care of it. He's ++
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44:57 <Nothing\> ah here's the video
44:59 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqHuV5paYPw&ab_channel=Nothing%5C
45:08 <Nothing\> me after the dentist with a paralyzed mouth
45:41 <Nothing\> ugh it's depressing to see videos of you from less than 10 years ago where you look visibly younger
46:04 <Nothing\> although i'd wager most of my older look stems from the fact that i'm never clean shaven anymore
48:42 <Nothing\> i wonder if the penis candle is visible in this video
48:54 <Nothing\> i shoulda taken more pictures of that thing before i moved out
50:48 <Nothing\> the landlord's son was an art student, so in the living room of the house was this sculpture of a woman's ass, and on the reverse is a mild relief of her bossom and crotch, but not detailed, just blank details all in this dark, dark green color
51:18 <Nothing\> then on top that was the giant head of a penis made of candle wax, about a foot to a foot and a half wide and 2 foot high
51:34 <Nothing\> the wick in the center was almost an inch thick
51:57 <Nothing\> but with all of the wax dripping down it, it looked like cum. Which I'm sure was on purpose.
52:43 <Nothing\> meanwhile my brother gave me shit because his kid barged into my room during a nude scene in a movie
53:36 <Nothing\> meanwhile she saw thta monstrosity every day. And had seen A Clock Orange when she was no older than 4
54:33 <Nothing\> i mean, i gon initiated with my first kubrick film (full metal jacket) when i was 8 but that's a lot different
56:10 <Nothing\> which begs the question, is there any evidence that growing up playing violent video games or violence of any sort actually a person to become violent
02:54 <Nothing\> and again the channel's dead
04:33 <Nothing\> don't make me say the name of everybody in here in order to hopefully acivate their highlighting and get their computer to go donk donk donk
10:34 <Nothing\> le sigh
10:37 <Nothing\> irc is dead today
10:47 <Nothing\> you know guys, this is how i pass out at my keyboard
11:38 <Nothing\> sitting here staring at an unchanging screen waiting for one of you to say something
11:58 <Nothing\> SAY SOMETHING
13:12 <Nothing\> I THE GREAT AND POWERFUL EARTH HUMAN COMMAND YOU TO BE AMUSING
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51:07 <electrohead> something
19:42 <Halcyon> Bloody Dell
19:53 <Halcyon> Why do they give you two onboard SATA ports, but no SATA power?!
20:52 <steve30> o/
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30:24 <steve30> i wouldn't have minded going out for a walk, but its raining
31:59 <Nothing\> ah dammit
32:21 <Nothing\> =i was just gonna tall halcyon to get a molex->-sata adaptor
33:16 <Nothing\> those things saved my hide multiple times and they're dirt cheap
33:32 <Nothing\> 'speshly from chiner
34:18 <Nothing\> psychic spies from china tryin' ta steal your minds elation
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35:59 <Nothing\> Halcyon! speak of the devil
36:04 <Halcyon> Herro
36:08 <Nothing\> i was just talking about solving your little dilema there
36:13 <Halcyon> Mmmm ?
36:25 <Nothing\> sata ports with no sata power
36:29 <Halcyon> Yes
36:37 <Nothing\> molex->sata adaptors
36:43 <Halcyon> I have some
36:47 <Nothing\> beauty
36:52 <Nothing\> saves you a buncha time
36:59 <steve30> i might go back to bed for a bit
37:00 <Halcyon> But there are literally no Molex connectors inside these servers
37:10 <Nothing\> what?
37:16 <Nothing\> what the hell do they use for power?
37:20 <Halcyon> None at all, not a single one I can split or tap off
37:30 <Halcyon> Everything is connected to the backplane
37:33 <Nothing\> solder your own in? lol
37:52 <Nothing\> they did not want to make this easy on you did they lol
38:29 <Nothing\> maybe you could like
38:54 <Nothing\> hrm
39:08 <Nothing\> what about swapping out the PSU for one with sata ports?
39:31 <Nothing\> er sata connectors, guess they're not ports
40:47 <Nothing\> man i tried to watch 3 different movies today and fell asleep during all 3 of them
41:59 <Nothing\> my problem is, i need to do something non-passive. But where i'm physically doing something ratherthan just sitting on my ass with my face buried in a 2in screen
10:51 <Halcyon> If I had a SATA DoM, it would solve my problems.
11:21 <Halcyon> I actually have an NVMe drive on a PCIe riser, but the server doesn't support booting from that either
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25:00 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon a document object model
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46:18 <Halcyon> :P
01:49 <steve30> hmm, not sleepy enough to sleep it seems
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27:30 <Nothing\> steve30, i hate it when that happens
28:10 <Nothing\> it's like "stupid body, you belong to me, not the other around. If I want you to do something you damn well do it."
28:21 <Nothing\> if only it worked like that
28:53 <gremlinz> i nkow right, if only my cock would suck itself
28:54 <Nothing\> makes us realize that even though we call them OUR bodies, we heva a lot less control over them than we realize
29:19 <Nothing\> gremlinz, were you here the other night or something?
30:02 <Nothing\> cuz like just 2 days ago or so we had a pretty length discussion about auto-fellatio
30:48 * T3sl4 whacks Nothing\ with a fried cheese curd
31:34 <T3sl4> not actually curd, i have a chunk of havarti, which it seems to me is pretty curd-ish, so it seems alright
31:35 <gremlinz> nope
31:59 <T3sl4> the breading is too light though, and i have no bread crumbs so it's also not going to be nice and rough and crunchy on the outside
39:02 <Nothing\> woo new major update for ksp
39:39 <Nothing\> though i'm still trying to figure out a lot of the other content they added since 1.0
40:27 * T3sl4 bang-zooms Nothing\ to the mun
40:27 <Nothing\> the asteroid capture, or rendezvous/docking
40:41 <Nothing\> that's about as far as i ever got heh
40:45 <Nothing\> landing on the mun
41:00 <Nothing\> which took a lot of finesse, but i did it
42:10 <Nothing\> T3sl4, did you hear that japan's probe to an asteroid came back with a lot more samples than they antipated?
42:21 <T3sl4> ya
43:17 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/8kXWzTn.png
43:21 <Nothing\> i thought it was pretty cool that they landed once, collect samples, took off and landed again to take more sample and then finally fly away
43:40 <Nothing\> it's coolthey have engines that reliable now
44:13 <Nothing\> lol yeah really
44:49 <Nothing\> and apparently the US is sending a crewed mission to go around the moon in 2023
44:59 <Nothing\> which i only just heard about
46:05 <Nothing\> it's funny, i had to learn about the Orion program from this series of snoopy edutainment short films about him and woodstock going to space
46:21 <Nothing\> and eventually they go to the moon on the orion
48:27 <Nothing\> but at the time i thought it was just another of those "we'll go back to the moon by 2030" type projects that NASA wound up abandoning but apparently it's still being tested and worked on
49:49 <T3sl4> orion changed rather dramatically once they realized nuclear power isn't actually a good idea
49:58 <Nothing\> no, not that orion
50:08 <T3sl4> exactly
50:19 <Nothing\> haha
50:40 <Nothing\> yeha i dunno why they recycled THAT name of all the names they could have used
52:24 <Nothing\> i'd have called it project icarus
52:43 <Nothing\> actually that's what they shoulda called the parker probe
53:02 <Nothing\> that woulda been such a fitting name, even if just as a nickname
54:44 <T3sl4> or daedalus, but i'm not sure offhand which one should have that name
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04:44 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Tube_Shift_Reg_Layout3D.jpg (imagine the green LEDs are actually neon bulbs)
04:52 <Nothing\> well daedalus just build the wings, though he did fly with them as wel, did he not?
05:09 <Nothing\> wasn't he flying with icarus when icarus died
05:18 <rc_maybe> moin moin
06:16 <Nothing\> T3sl4, nice
06:21 <Nothing\> heya rc_maybe
06:25 <Nothing\> how's it going
06:51 * T3sl4 upgrades rc's maybe to cola
07:35 <rc_maybe> åjust taking a break. I am trying to figure out if i should sleep here, before goin over the next mountain
07:59 <Nothing\> they should rename RC colar RC Constant Cola
09:17 <rc_maybe> i did drive 1099.4 km, which is ok, with the weather ans stuff
09:31 <T3sl4> camping?
10:22 * Ampera huhgs Nothing\ 
10:30 <rc_maybe> nah, i am just delivering a van. I think I will just tip over here, for a bit
10:35 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3 <3 <3
10:47 <Nothing\> hey buddy, how you doing?
10:52 <Ampera> just woke up
11:15 <Nothing\> good times
11:19 <Nothing\> you and me both, sorta
11:26 * T3sl4 noogies Ampera
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05:33 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
05:43 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
05:55 <Ampera> how are you doing
06:08 <Halcyon> I'm going alright. How about you?
06:16 <Ampera> Fine I suppose
06:23 <Ampera> we got too much snow
06:32 <Ampera> maybe 50cm of it
06:34 <Halcyon> Heh yes
06:38 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/789139699787628564/20201217_092704new.jpg
06:52 <Halcyon> You have no yard
07:01 <Ampera> not anymore
07:23 <Halcyon> You need a giant flame thrower
07:40 <Ampera> you need a kiss to the kisser
07:51 <Halcyon> Always
08:00 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
08:19 <Halcyon> \o/
08:30 <Halcyon> I am "grading" my hard drive collection
08:47 <Ampera> I'm grating my hard drive collection and snorting the powder
08:49 <Halcyon> Orange dot for those that have re-allocated sectors reported in SMART and green dots for those which are 100% good.
11:39 <Halcyon> Also, I remember why I hate Dell servers
12:19 <Ampera> but dude
12:23 <Ampera> you're gettin a dell
13:19 <Halcyon> Yes, I got one from work
13:25 <Halcyon> It's newer than my NAS BUT....
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14:28 <Halcyon> It doesn't support the 8TB drives I have, the SAS card can't be flashed into IT mode (and it doesn't support JBOD mode), I was going to make the boot drive an NVMe SSD, BIOS/UEFI doesn't support booting from it and it has 2 on-board SATA ports, but no provision for power AT ALL.
14:42 <Halcyon> So basically, almost useless
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15:54 <Ampera> you have no drive power?
16:22 <Ampera> how does the SAS work, backplane?
16:32 <Halcyon> Yep
16:41 <Ampera> if so you can always just stick the bootloader on a small SAS/SATA drive and then mount root off an SSD
16:56 <Halcyon> There are literally no molex connectors anywhere. I would have to bodge something together and solder into something existing
17:22 <Halcyon> Yeh the problem there is, I can't use any of the drive bays because the plan was to put my x6 storage drives in there
18:24 <Ampera> Why won't the SAS controller do 8TB drives
18:28 <Halcyon> No idea
18:29 <Ampera> seems quite strange that it won't
18:36 <Halcyon> It sees them as 2TB drives, even with the latest firmware
18:43 <Ampera> who cares how it sees them
18:47 <Ampera> what does Linux see
18:57 <Halcyon> Linux/FreeBSD sees them as 2TB as well
19:08 <Halcyon> The room for error and corruption is just way too great
19:53 <Ampera> what CPUs does it have
20:36 <Halcyon> Ermmm, x2 Xeon jobbies can't recall the model now
21:15 <Halcyon> X5650's I think
21:31 <Ampera> oh, useless
21:49 <Halcyon> Still plenty fast for a NAS
22:01 <Halcyon> Twice as a fast as the one I have now
22:17 <Ampera> my laptop is probably faster
22:28 <Halcyon> Oh it most definitely would be
22:32 <Halcyon> We're talking 10 year old CPUs
22:42 <Ampera> I know, I have an X5650 in my server
22:43 <Halcyon> Even still, you don't need much for a NAS
22:53 <Ampera> it's a crock of shit
23:01 <Ampera> but it was cheap, and gayer than you'll ever be
23:16 <Halcyon> Probably
23:45 <Halcyon> So my only real solution would be to get another SAS controller and buy a SATA disk on module that doesn't require power
23:54 <Halcyon> Not sure if I can be bothered going to the effort
24:11 <Ampera> why couldn't you boot from the SAS controller
24:23 <Halcyon> Because it would be dedicated to the storage disks
24:29 <Halcyon> There are only 6 bays
24:37 <Ampera> put the bootloader on one of the storage disks
24:56 <Halcyon> I don't want to destroy my existing dataset, I want it left as is
25:14 <Ampera> you're damn picky :P
25:20 <Ampera> PXE boot then
25:21 <Halcyon> :P
25:33 <Ampera> you can load GRUB or syslinux easily over PXE
25:47 <Halcyon> *sigh* It's too much fuckery
25:56 <Ampera> I did it without fuckery
26:18 <Halcyon> And it introduces another point of failure which I don't want
26:28 <Halcyon> Instead of being a standalone NAS, it then would have to rely on another server
26:42 <Ampera> it's gonna have to rely on a router anyways though
26:50 <Halcyon> Not really
27:18 <Ampera> static IP LAN?
27:22 <Halcyon> Yessum
27:44 <Ampera> you just like making things difficult on yourself
27:49 <Ampera> can you boot off USB
27:56 <Halcyon> I can, but it's slow (USB 2.0)
27:59 <Ampera> who cares
28:05 <Halcyon> Also, consumer USBs are unreliable as fuck
28:06 <Ampera> all you need is to load GRUB
28:08 <Halcyon> So no thanks
28:28 <Ampera> who cares, get a pile of USB sticks and put GRUB on all of them
28:36 <Ampera> they're reliable so long as you don't write to them
28:52 <Halcyon> Again, couldn't be arsed. I just want a server that works and works reliably. Which my old server does (and has done for 10 years)
28:57 <Halcyon> So I'll just keep using that
29:13 <Halcyon> Now to think of what to do with this Dell
32:42 <Halcyon> Those 6 disks are one of the most important things I have in my house (along with the backups). There is literally irreplacable data on them. Everything else can be replaced.
32:57 <Halcyon> If there is a fire, those are the first things I'm going to grab
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28:11 <T3sl4> Halcyon irl https://i.redd.it/ix9saovmn2661.jpg
29:29 <Halcyon> :P
40:56 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYVMeyGEWes
41:10 <Halcyon> How fucking small is that garage? How do you even get out of the car?
41:23 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
44:51 * T3sl4 hugs a Ysjoelfir
45:12 <Ysjoelfir> yay!
47:33 <steve30> i'm off out shortly
47:39 <electrohead> yo, and stuff
47:44 <Halcyon> Where are you doing steve?
47:47 <Halcyon> YAY! electrohead !
47:47 <Halcyon> D
47:49 <Halcyon> :D
47:58 <electrohead> hey :D
48:05 * Halcyon runs and cuddles
48:09 * electrohead hugs and stuff
48:09 <steve30> need to post some christmas cards, and get shopping etc
51:05 <electrohead> what's all good?
51:09 * electrohead attempts to wake up
51:21 <electrohead> I'm surprised I woke up this early
52:23 <electrohead> T3sl4: you're up early as well, or, still awake? :p
52:50 <Halcyon> T3sl4's a bat
53:04 <T3sl4> late, aye
54:09 <electrohead> lol
54:22 <electrohead> Halcyon: that christmas treee is actually pretty neat
54:38 <electrohead> would love to mess with that, heh
55:01 <Halcyon> electrohead, yeh I was thinking that too, but like all things, it's cloud based which I hate
55:10 <electrohead> grr
55:11 <Halcyon> I'd prefer just an offline WiFi version
55:22 <Halcyon> Or Bluetooth
55:31 * Ysjoelfir takes a look at the clock
55:31 <electrohead> same, it needs the 'electrohead treatment' xD
55:37 <Ysjoelfir> 11:55.... "early"
55:40 <Halcyon> Yep :P
56:54 * electrohead hands Ysjoelfir coffee
57:01 <Ysjoelfir> ew
57:19 * Ysjoelfir gets the cup, puts the coffee into the sink, washes it out and makes himself a nice tea
57:25 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
57:26 <Halcyon> :P
57:40 <Halcyon> I'm bi when it comes to tea/coffee
57:47 <Halcyon> But I like it black... like my men :P
57:59 <Ysjoelfir> but steve isn't black
58:06 <Halcyon> Heh
59:06 <electrohead> lmfao
59:25 * electrohead paints Ysjoelfir black
01:15 <Ysjoelfir> :O shame on you, blackfacing is bad, blablabla
02:36 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
02:41 <Halcyon> I miss the 80'
02:43 <Halcyon> s and 90's
02:58 <Ysjoelfir> yep
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06:05 <electrohead> I miss the 90's for the slow internet and game consoles with games that worked when you first bought them
06:15 <Halcyon> Them dialup sounds
06:15 <electrohead> eh, I messed up what I wanted to say, there
06:22 <Halcyon> Something so satisfying
06:24 <electrohead> heh, yeah
06:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you don't like being a beta tester for your 120DM expensive game?
06:54 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: lol
07:14 <electrohead> well, let's face it, a lot of these game developers rely on the internet too much, nowadays
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> yes, we germans like to compare euro prices to old prices in Deutsche Mark
07:24 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
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08:07 <Ysjoelfir> I just added a windows firewall control software thing and its fascinating how many games that are only single player get VERY confused if you don't allow them network connections
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08:50 <electrohead> heh, I purposely cut the external network connection to my xbox one, the one time, just to see what would happen...
08:51 <EEVBlog> NBN, HAH, more like No Broadband Network!
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09:34 <electrohead> needless to say, all games failed to launch properly, because "I needed to sign in"
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09:44 <Ysjoelfir> yep.
10:10 <Ysjoelfir> I especially love EA games I buy over steam forcing me to isntall fucking origin to even start them
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10:30 <electrohead> what's origin?
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10:53 <Ysjoelfir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_(service)
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11:18 <Ysjoelfir> look especially at the "criticism" section
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12:39 <electrohead> o.O
12:52 <electrohead> why would (you) need something like that?
12:59 <Ysjoelfir> because EA.
13:02 <electrohead> it's just bloatware at a minimum
13:08 <electrohead> 'control'
13:11 <electrohead> 'power'
13:29 <electrohead> ehh, bad enough I can't play a single player game on my xbox without an internet connection
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14:02 <electrohead> I understand the xbox one, being locked down, because piracy and friends, but.. on a standard computer? eh
14:17 <Ysjoelfir> yep
15:00 <electrohead> and with the xbox one, still.. it's a fucking pain
15:25 <electrohead> mm, I have that xbox on it's own private VLAN, and can't see anything else on my network
15:35 * spark_gap breaks Ysjoelfir's a very heavy sledgehammer
15:54 <electrohead> also connects out via a VPN connection
16:06 <electrohead> spark_gap: having issues? :p
18:26 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir, i solve that problem by not giving EA any of my money
19:34 <Ysjoelfir> I try my best to do that as well (same with ubisoft), but you know.. sometimes you just miss the little "Publisher: EA" in steams shop
20:07 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://i.imgur.com/9U8BPhK.gifv
20:28 <Ysjoelfir> I also have steam like.... for ages. and thatfor many games from when they were a little bit less stupid
25:16 <electrohead> I haven't used steam much at all over the past few years
25:24 <electrohead> grew away from most PC games
25:39 <electrohead> as, well, would rather do normal computer things with my computers :P
25:44 <electrohead> games are nice, though, lol
34:38 <Ysjoelfir> xD
34:48 <Ysjoelfir> I prefer playing at a PC.
35:32 <Ysjoelfir> also: I just need to share this. no need to watch the whole video, but read/listen to the book they read at the beginning. its so hilarious xD
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24:09 <hsn> https://ocaml.org/
39:36 <Ysjoelfir> GREAT!
39:51 <Ampera> Android 11 update has come out for my phone
39:52 <Ampera> Nice.
40:06 <Ysjoelfir> just noticed that Amazon somehow managed to change the size of shirts in my wishlist from XXL to 152.
40:08 <Ampera> watch it do nothing that I care about :P
40:19 <Ampera> what is 152
40:26 <Ysjoelfir> ~10yo child
40:29 <Ampera> ok
40:45 <Ampera> we don't even have numerical shirt sizes here that I know of
41:14 <Ysjoelfir> I so expect my stupid cousin to gift me that shirt in child size: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B084SC12F3
42:20 <Ampera> I don't like graphic tees in the best of instances.
42:25 <Ampera> I would burn that if someone gave it to me
43:23 <Ysjoelfir> I like them. which is why I have them on my wishlist :P
43:32 <Ysjoelfir> but not in chidlren size ._.
48:09 <Ampera> https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/ire-rising-in-schenectady-as-streets-remain-unplowed
48:21 <Ampera> at least they know they're useless
48:48 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
50:53 <Ampera> Was a big thing last year when they called in the militia to plow the streets for them, but one big daddy storm and people have been buried for days
53:02 * electrohead buries Ampera in snow
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