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09:38 Join: jackbrown ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
37:25 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/dwairhwid2861.png it still has bugs in it -- it's written in QBASIC
37:40 <T3sl4> a little shocked none of the comments reference that
41:26 <hsn> T3sl4, what r u refering to .. its only image
43:14 <coppice> T3sl4: do you have any QBASIC projects lined up?
45:32 <T3sl4> projects, no
45:41 <T3sl4> bugs though?
48:19 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
49:13 <hsn> can u right BASIC bugs ?
50:44 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.redd.it/mj5eul5x5vc51.png
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13:05 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, somebody needs to tell health nuts that there's both cyanide and cobalt in vitamin B12
13:27 <Nothing\> oh yeah, and that cyanide is a 100% natural product
13:48 Quit: jackbrown ([email protected]) Connection closed
16:50 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i have no context for this but it still made me laugh
17:21 <Nothing\> man, the damn power switch for the light on this chinesium LCD clock I bought is bunk.
17:45 <Nothing\> it doesn't switch all the way, even though the plastic overlay "latches" the switch itself doesn't
17:47 <T3sl4> don't forget that sodium chloride is made from an aggressive metal and a toxic war gas
18:22 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh yeah they use sodium to make lye, which is toxic enough to eat a glass
19:17 <Nothing\> it's funny that hydrochloric acid is like the boogy man of chemistry to lay people when in reality it's probably the most mundane and harmless of all possible acids
19:29 <Nothing\> to the point where it's right in our damn bodies
20:01 <Nothing\> hrm i was just wondering if there's any way to separate out the phosphoric acid from pepsi
20:50 <T3sl4> heat it to 500C, burning off everything else leaving pyrophosphoric or lower acid
20:52 <coppice> T3sl4: and when you dissolve sodium chloride in water, that metal and gas are on the loose
21:02 <Nothing\> maybe convert to phosphate so it'll drop out of solution since most phosphates aren't water soluble
21:08 <Nothing\> then filter it off
21:40 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah actually i believe electrolysis of salt water produces chlorine
21:50 <T3sl4> that works, but you need to treat the precipitate with stronger acid to recover it
21:54 * Ampera hug Nothing\ 
21:54 <Nothing\> i'm assuming on the... anode?
22:12 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3 <3 <3
22:16 <Ampera> how are you Nothing\
22:22 <Nothing\> i dunno what would form on the other side, sure not sodium
22:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, pretty good. sleep deprived, but good.
22:38 <Ampera> sleep deprivation is always nice
22:45 <Nothing\> only got about an hour of sleep between the cats and the bullshit clinic
22:53 <coppice> hydrochloric acid is no bogey man. hydroflouric might be
23:14 <Ampera> coppice, nevermind the various organic mercury compounds
23:20 <Ampera> those are more terrifying than even HF
23:25 <Nothing\> coppice, have you seen the nilered video where he pours various acids on his bare hands to demonstrate that they're not that dangerous?
23:31 <Nothing\> he leaves them on until he feels pain
23:51 <Nothing\> started with hcl, then h2so4, then fuming nitric
24:07 <Ampera> don't do that with HF, as I recall it'll kill your nerves straight up, horror stories of people getting leaks in their gloves and taking them off to find bits missing
24:12 <Nothing\> worst he got was some dryness from the sulphuric and some orange discoloration from the nitric
24:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, not your nerves, your bones
24:26 <Ampera> might be some hyperbole, but I know HF is one of the acids even seasoned chemists don't enjoy messing with
24:37 <Nothing\> it binds to calcium, so it binds to the calcium in your bones, poisoning you
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24:51 <Nothing\> i'm not sure if it's just the fluorine, or the HF itself that does, probably the HF itself
25:07 <Ampera> in other news, things are now completely fucked with me and my dad
25:11 <coppice> Ampera: its habit of eating through containers might be a reason
25:14 <Nothing\> but i do know that calcium gluconate is a simple antidote for HF poisoning
25:20 <Ampera> I'll spare the details, but it means I'm putting the wheels in motion sooner for buying a house.
25:54 <Nothing\> the problem with HF exposure though is it's initally painless
26:05 <coppice> Ampera: if a house has wheels its called a trailer, and usually goes in a park
26:12 <Nothing\> it'll start to destroy deeper layers of skin first as it penetrates deep into the tissues
26:22 <Nothing\> and that's when you feel the pain
26:33 <Nothing\> but by that point, you're already being poisoned
26:50 <Nothing\> it's sorta like acetaminphen toxcity
27:21 <Nothing\> there's an antidote for it, acetylcystine i think, but it has to be given within 24 hours of taking the toxic dose
27:52 <Nothing\> problem is, acetaminophen toxicity isn't symptomatic until your liver is already damaged beyond repair. I mean liver transplant levels of damage.
28:04 <Nothing\> and that happens 2-3 days after
28:50 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
29:10 <Nothing\> speaking of healthy, my edema's so bad i still have indentations on my ankles from the socks i took off half an hour ago
29:49 <Nothing\> it's neat cuz i can push my finger into my leg and it'll leave a dent in it that stays for a few minutes on account of the fluid build up
30:25 <Nothing\> anywho i've a grilled cheese that needs devouring
30:43 <Nothing\> so i'll bbiab. Take care brothers. <3
32:12 * T3sl4 squeezes Nothing\
32:49 * Nothing\ huggles T3sl4 <#
32:59 <Nothing\> i couldn't think of anything greater than <3 so you get a waffle
33:17 <T3sl4> i'll put some syrup on it :3
33:39 <Nothing\> that's racist
33:41 <Nothing\> lol
33:48 <Nothing\> okay i really should eat this sandwich
33:50 <Nothing\> brb
33:52 <T3sl4> no, that's fried chicken
33:59 <T3sl4> but fried chicken and waffles is good to anyone
35:47 <T3sl4> also https://i.imgur.com/k4UCAcI.jpg
39:39 Join: Watcher ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
41:32 <coppice> Imagine designing that, and having the requirements people waffling on about the cute shape they want
43:39 <Nothing\> how would i either calculate or find a calculator that will work out how much energy it would take to lift a mass X off of the ground
44:08 <Nothing\> actually wait a tick, i can just use this 2d physics simulator i have
44:38 <Nothing\> just have a mass hanging from a rope and look at what the potential gravitational energy is
46:57 <coppice> "mass hanging from a rope" sounds very old school american
47:39 <T3sl4> its just mgh
48:35 <coppice> magnesium hydride, IRC style?
49:13 <T3sl4> no, that's h2
49:33 <T3sl4> and cobalt diphosphide isn't ice
53:59 <Nothing\> ugh
54:12 <Nothing\> i'm about one step away from giving my gat a febreeze enema
54:40 <Nothing\> anyways having said that, apparently epsom salts are 55% water
54:58 <Nothing\> i believe by molecular weight since a chemist said that
55:29 <T3sl4> it'd be 87%at, i suppose
56:03 <Nothing\> but it's magnesium sulfate pentahydrate so those 7 water molecules aren't too hard to break off, at least until you get to mono, di and trihydrates
56:17 <T3sl4> hepta
56:21 <Nothing\> so you don't get a perfect 55% yield, but he distilled it off
56:25 <Nothing\> yup
56:28 <Nothing\> hepta
56:58 <Nothing\> i know, it's not a prefix often encountered. I had to think about it a second
57:13 <Nothing\> but yeah, as he's heating it it looks just like melting ice or something
57:34 <T3sl4> sodium sulfate decahydrate melts even lower
57:43 <T3sl4> and i think there's a dodecahydrate at even lower temp
58:31 <Nothing\> so even though i lack a distillation aparatus, i was gonna try a similar experiment where i'd heat it until i got as much water as possible, or reached some sort of equilibrium, then filter off the solids and continue heating them
59:08 <Nothing\> saving the water until no more water will come over at 200c
59:24 <Nothing\> don't wanna heat it too much cuz then the magnesium hydrate itself would probably break apart
59:37 <Nothing\> *sulfate
59:46 <T3sl4> the sulfate is pretty stable
59:59 <Nothing\> yeah? hrm
00:06 <Nothing\> frankly i'd be happy with a 25% yield
03:50 <Nothing\> another venture i'm planning is to extract calcium carbonate from eggshells, but i'm not sure how to do that
04:23 <T3sl4> save up shells for a few years, then burn them
04:24 <Nothing\> i think i could dissolve the carbonate into vinegar, maybe even cleaning vinegar with is twice the concentration of eating vinegar
05:01 <Nothing\> filter off the solids, then i dunno
05:18 <Nothing\> i dunno if i could just evaporate the vinegar off. I'm assuming i could.
05:39 <Nothing\> but then i run the risk of having a rock hard chunk of carbonate
05:57 <Kuschelpony> not exactly
05:59 <Nothing\> obviously i haven't done any actual research into this yet and i'm just thinking aloud
06:12 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, no?
06:44 <Kuschelpony> eggshells in vinegar leads to a clacium salt, when you distill this its breaks down into acetone vapour and calcium hydroxide
06:44 <Nothing\> oh yeah
06:54 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/0UPUCTv
06:56 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that's right
07:06 <Nothing\> i should have known that
07:16 <Kuschelpony> i considered making acetone myself but as long as it is still available in shops i did not do this mess again
07:27 <Nothing\> calcium hydroxide would be nice to have though
07:38 <Kuschelpony> yes
07:40 <Nothing\> i'm basically looking to make a base
08:17 <Nothing\> lol i had this crazy idea years ago to make sodium metal through degradation of sodium bicarb
08:45 <Nothing\> bicarb to carb, then decarboxylate it into sodium oxide, then heat even further to drive the oxygen off
08:47 <Nothing\> or so i thought
08:59 <Nothing\> didn't realize how much sodium likes that oxygen
09:18 <Kuschelpony> that would work if you melt it and electrolys the melt, but this is a bit on the dangerous side with the possibility of blobs of molten sodium hydroxide spattering around
09:34 <Kuschelpony> oh too slow typoing...
10:10 <Kuschelpony> yeah there were years when i considered doing chemistry as well but gave up as this was stoo much effort to keep safe and just filled space in the house
10:15 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeha nurdrage has a video where he makes sodium by electrolysis of molten hydroxide
10:28 <Nothing\> not exactly safe, especailly for a greenhorn like myself
10:46 <Kuschelpony> back in the decade when i did it i could not afford a VHS camcorder...
11:02 <Nothing\> ah so you've been around the block a bit
11:14 <Kuschelpony> yep, already 43
11:15 <Nothing\> i've got some informal chemistry knowledge, that's about it-
11:41 <Nothing\> oh that's not that old, i'll be 36 in march
11:50 <Nothing\> middle aged
11:54 <Kuschelpony> i have no fear of chemistry, just the right respect to know its not the next best hobby for me
12:02 <Nothing\> my brother's about your age
12:23 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i don't fear chemistry, i fear my lack of lab experience and knowledge
12:38 <Nothing\> or rather i know those things will probably lead to an injury and/or accident
12:53 <Kuschelpony> well i do not want to whine too muc habout my social situation but certain groups (that i would like to bhe part of) consider someone as too old somewhere around 30, assuming past this age you should have married a wife and not doing any more adventures around
13:05 <Kuschelpony> yes and thats a good fear
13:15 <coppice> I fear chemistry. Like the chemistry of combining my house with oxygen while I am still inside
13:58 <Kuschelpony> hmm, thats less of an chemistry issue, just an general self sustainign exothermic reaction
14:23 <T3sl4> you can't quite cook carbonate out of sodium, i'm not sure exactly what the deal is, but suffice it to say sodium carbonate has a reasonably wide liquid range
17:00 <Kuschelpony> im too lazy to consult wikipedia that moment but if i remember right somewhere around 900�C the carbonate deceomposes to hydroxide and CO2
17:26 <coppice> you can cook the bi out of some bicarbonates
17:39 <Kuschelpony> and dont pour the hydroxide on body parts as my right toe can tell
18:26 <T3sl4> calcium carbonate does, yeah
18:51 <T3sl4> you can reduce sodium carbonate with carbon, actually (making CO+Na gas), but you also run the risk of condensing weird explosive species like Na6(CO)6 i think
19:00 <T3sl4> or maybe that's the potassium version
19:08 <Nothing\> oh yeha
19:26 <Nothing\> another experiment i wanted to do was make rochelle salt crystals
20:04 <Nothing\> nice big ones, so i can attach electrical leads to it with almunium tape and give 'er a tap with something to see if i can detect it on my scope
21:09 <Nothing\> i actually have a glass of sodium acetate in water, but it's been sitting around so long most of it's come out of solution and for some reason crept up the sides of the glass, over the edge and the down the sides
21:10 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i know it can be done to create K vapour, but i never heard people making Na vapour in that way
21:29 <Nothing\> which i also had that same effect with a saturated sadium chloride solution
22:02 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
22:07 <Nothing\> the crystals growing and climbing the sides of the container, to the point where it went all the way down the outside and sealed it to the table
22:58 <Nothing\> i think it has something to do with the way the solution soaks into the crystals
23:24 <Kuschelpony> apply a thin ring of wax around the inside of the glass, this stops the creep
24:32 Quit: orzel ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
26:39 <Nothing\> ah good tip, thanks
27:00 <Nothing\> or would petroleum jelly work? ie vaseline
27:31 <Kuschelpony> maybe yes, i have not tried
28:04 <Kuschelpony> but anything that is hydrophobis should be fine
30:22 <Nothing\> makes sense
30:45 <Nothing\> i only just got into chemistry like 10 years ago and i've sorta pursued that on and off since then
31:08 <Nothing\> i'm a jack of all trades, so to speak, so i don't really have enough knowledge in any one field to do anything useful
31:14 <Kuschelpony> hihi
31:32 <Nothing\> the closest being EE if i had the proper equipment to build like, mechanisms and project housings and stufff
31:42 <Kuschelpony> its something 20 years ago that i left also doing chemistry
31:57 <Nothing\> plus i've been relaly dejected lately, so it's hard to keep up with it lately
32:04 <Kuschelpony> oh
32:07 <Nothing\> i've only been into EE for 3 years
32:34 * electrohead makes someone go to work for him
32:39 <Nothing\> i always wanted to get into it, but i never had enough knowledge to know what parts I needed to get statred
33:02 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
33:10 * Ampera launches electrohead into work, chains him to his station
33:11 * electrohead hugs Ampera
33:17 <electrohead> noooo
33:18 <Nothing\> and i'm literally impoverished, so i didn't want to go spending money on something that wouldn't do me any good
33:19 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
33:29 <electrohead> not feeling like going to work, that's what lol
33:32 <electrohead> you?
34:05 <Ampera> delightfully terrible
34:28 <Ampera> me and my dad are close to mutually dead to each other
34:30 <Nothing\> but anyways, after watching enough EEVBLOG and Big Clive and playing with Paul Falstad's circuit simulator i was eventually able to figure out what parts i needed. But then I had to figure out where to get them from
34:34 <Nothing\> cue ali express
34:58 * electrohead throws fake parts at Nothing\
35:08 <Nothing\> yeat i've got tons
35:17 <Nothing\> pretty sure the logo for TI isn't a picture of the united states lol
35:32 <electrohead> lol
35:39 <electrohead> Ampera: damn, that sucks man :/
35:44 <Nothing\> but honestly, they work pretty well
36:00 <Nothing\> i mean i wouldn't have even known they were fakes unless i was looking for it
36:32 <Ampera> it just means I'm putting more energy into buying a house. I'm currently working on renewing various forms of ID, and will soon apply for loan preapproval and see how much I can get
36:48 <Nothing\> i've made 32 bit LFSRs out of counterfeit 74HC595s (SIPO shift register) withotu any issue
39:14 <Nothing\> lol but yeah at first all i could get was passives cuz there was a local brick and mortar surplus shop that sold packs of resistors or capacitors and switches and stuff like that, so that and LEDs was all I colud get for the longest time and to me ICs were like the holy grail
39:47 <Nothing\> so i was constantly trying to make IC circuits from discrete components with vaying leels of seccess
44:26 <Nothing\> dammit i'm falling asleep
44:42 <Nothing\> i need something to do, and something non-passive and fast paced
45:11 <Nothing\> huh, you guys know you can actually make an active amplifier out of plain old transformers
45:17 <Nothing\> like it has gain > 1
45:27 <Nothing\> even though it's made of passive components
46:05 <Kuschelpony> saturated inductors ARE active components
46:20 <Kuschelpony> even an 1N4007 can amplify when doing right
47:29 <coppice> anything non-linear is active. multi-layer ceramic caps are active
47:50 <Nothing\> i always imagined transformers to be like an electric gear train
47:59 <Nothing\> or levels
48:01 <Nothing\> levers
48:06 <Nothing\> or pulleys
48:11 <Kuschelpony> i nthe linear part of the operation, yes
48:25 <Kuschelpony> but if they are going non-linear
48:30 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, a 1n4007's a diode, though
48:34 <Kuschelpony> look at a clock pendulum
48:51 <Kuschelpony> thats also a resonator and kept in oscilation by just levers and gears
49:13 <Kuschelpony> yes the 1N4007 is a diode, but there has been a guy cleverly using the reverse recovery of it to actually get gain
49:18 <Nothing\> i know it was a resonator, i just didn't give thought to the levers and gears
49:26 <Nothing\> ah interesting
49:34 <Nothing\> hey lemme get your opinion on a circuit
50:44 <Nothing\> it's usually some variety of this
50:45 <Kuschelpony> just ask
50:45 <Nothing\> https://i.stack.imgur.com/GXwZU.png
51:01 <Kuschelpony> well known :)
51:03 <Nothing\> supposed to be a single transistor oscillator
51:09 <Kuschelpony> with selected transistors it does work
51:26 <Nothing\> reliably though? i was thinking it would probably damage the transistor
51:34 <Kuschelpony> with BC546 you get about 50% oscilating and 10% oscilating well
51:42 <Kuschelpony> yes abut als oyes
52:07 <Kuschelpony> it works reliably for years, but it also damages the transistor (current gain and noise) for the normal operation
52:13 <Nothing\> i haven't got many different transistors cuz i never had use for anything in more than a to-92 package
52:23 <Kuschelpony> so if you run one transistor as avalance pulser, keep it there
52:50 <Nothing\> oh yeah, speaking of counterfeit stuff
52:57 <Kuschelpony> i had very limited success to run BFR93 as negative impedance for an medium wave receiver, but not even reached shortwave
53:35 <Nothing\> you've heard of elenco, right?
53:49 <Kuschelpony> no i dont know that name
54:18 <Nothing\> ah, well they sell packs of various values of parts or various types of parts for biginner
54:53 <Kuschelpony> hmm, reminds me of shops in the 80s where i bought as a child
55:28 <Kuschelpony> but these things have long gone in germany, we are a hightech country, we dont deal with surplus parts or diy packages
55:56 * steve30 stares down at T3sl4 
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01:51 * arch presses T3sl4's pressure point and makes his head explode
02:22 * Ampera declares arch already dead
02:28 <arch> NANI?!
02:43 * arch screams "HIDEBU" and explodes
02:58 <Ampera> I need to watch more of that show
03:07 <Ampera> it was delightfully stupid
03:28 <arch> yes, and feelsy. although, it doesn't really have that high a replay value
03:30 <Ampera> they made a million fucking episodes and series of it too
03:32 <T3sl4> arch, better to press pants than to press luck
03:52 <Ampera> my issue is it's all subbed, which means I can't just have it on in the background like I do with other shows
04:00 <arch> nah, about 170 episodes for the original. we don't talk about the godawful remake, kinda like berserk
04:49 <arch> im never gonna watch those shitty anime with 700+ episodes, like naruto, dragonballz, haikyu, one piece, etc
05:04 <Ampera> considering my favourite anime only has I think like 50 episodes
05:05 <arch> any good series needs an ending. a proper ending. no bullshit extensions
05:06 <Ampera> that's pretty good
05:33 <arch> yeah, about 50 episodes i would consider a good amount of time to tell a great story and have a great ending
06:14 * arch is waiting for Black Lagoon to have a proper ending...
07:21 <coppice> at least "Never Ending Story" was confined to a single episode
08:11 <T3sl4> false advertizing
09:01 * Ampera fixes T3sl4's Z order
09:13 <T3sl4> falze advertising?
10:01 * Ampera demotes T3sl4 to Gen Z
10:18 <T3sl4> muh lennials
10:27 * Ampera drowns T3sl4 in lentils
10:33 * T3sl4 currys them
10:41 * Ampera curries T3sl4 
11:34 <Ampera> I'm excited for my new mouse so I don't have to keep using two mice
11:54 <Nothing\> huh i just found an entire light activated nightlight with the casing removed behind one of my tables
12:09 <Nothing\> clearly i started tearing it down and one of the kitties got hold of it and i forgot about it
12:29 <Nothing\> i don't like when they get into stuff with solder on/in it
13:12 <Nothing\> found one of my cats the other actually chewing on a ribbon of solder he found from a place i thought he couldn't get to
13:57 <T3sl4> Ampera, https://frinkiac.com/caption/S09E21/220402
14:05 <Nothing\> oh yeah, so Kuschelpony
14:15 <Nothing\> about that elenco thing i began telling you about
14:50 <Kuschelpony> yes
15:14 <arch> Nothing\, mmmm, lead poisoning
15:36 <Nothing\> i ordered my first pack of resistors from them, had a whole buncha jellybeans, plus a couple of power transistors i can't remember the name of suddenly
15:55 <arch> i wonder why it was chewing the solder. iirc, some lead oxides taste sweet, maybe that's why? iirc the romans used to use lead vats to make wine sweeter
15:56 <Nothing\> they're very jelly bean power transistors in a large metal package with a weld holding it together
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16:48 <Kuschelpony> lead acetate
17:18 <Nothing\> 2n3055
17:20 <Nothing\> that's it
17:26 <Nothing\> so anyways
17:34 <T3sl4> 2N3055 acetate wine sweetener
17:37 <T3sl4> sounds about as toxic
17:49 <Nothing\> i found they're easy to to decap since you just squeeze them with a vice grip and they'll pop at the weld, right
17:56 <Nothing\> so i decided to do that with one of mine
18:23 <Nothing\> and instead of seeing a nice beautiful transistor like every tutorial and picture i've seen of the guts of this thing
18:29 <Nothing\> it was just an epoxy blob
18:34 <Nothing\> clearly a fake
18:55 <arch> chinesium
18:57 <Nothing\> and i wouldn't imagine an epoxy blob would have the best heat disippation
19:01 <Nothing\> arch, indeed
19:26 <arch> i haven't ordered any semiconductor parts from ebay since my mega-noob days
19:34 <T3sl4> well, if it's epoxy potting over top of a reasonable die, that's fine
19:44 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's true
20:05 <Nothing\> i mean it's not like stagnant air has the best heat conductance/capacity
20:39 <Nothing\> oh yeah i should call and order my earplug
20:39 <T3sl4> probably more about blocking contamination, or vibration
20:40 <Nothing\> s
21:13 <Nothing\> i sleep with earplugs but instead of paying like $20 for a pair of 6 from the pharmacy. I get em fromm an industrial supply company for $25 for a box of 200 pair
22:21 <Nothing\> i tell you, i had terrible insomnia most of my life, but earplugs work better than any supplement or drug i've ever used.
22:44 <Nothing\> i can sleep through almost anything external now
24:32 <Nothing\> though that could also be from my addiction to painkillers and sedatives
25:17 <Nothing\> and before the painkillers, i was taking antipsychotics, which are basically heavy heavy duty sedatives that aren't fun. Think chemical lobotomy.
25:51 <Nothing\> but those worked better off label for sleep at a low dose than any sleeping pill i ever took
26:15 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
26:30 <Nothing\> and there was no tolerance, so i was able to stay on more or less the same dose for the whole 10 years i was on it
27:22 <Nothing\> alright, well i'm done drinking my coffee and talking to myself on here. So now what?
28:03 <K> time for some activities
28:32 <Nothing\> yup, banking activities apparently
28:49 <Nothing\> gotta give my january rent money to my mum
30:04 <Nothing\> i love the ATMs at my bank cuz they dispense any size bill, not just $20s
31:15 <coppice> I thought they had to be the right size to be accepted. I know I've seen some massive cheques at charity events, but I don't think it works with currency
33:52 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
38:21 <Nothing\> no, i mean for withdrawals
38:38 <Nothing\> like you know how when you go to take money out of an ATM, most of them only dispense $20 bills.
47:46 <K> welp, curfew for .lv, 22:00-5:00, till 2nd of Jan
53:53 <TheDude> uh
54:11 <TheDude> I only now discovered that 2.5Gbps ethernet on copper exists
54:29 <TheDude> and that it uses all 4 differential pairs in the cable
55:33 <K> can't you run 10Gbps over copper?
55:43 <TheDude> you can?
55:50 <TheDude> I thought that was fiber based
56:23 <K> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_Gigabit_Ethernet
56:34 <K> ah, between switches
57:10 <K> but you prolly can have something special and pricey to plug directly in you compotoor
57:33 <TheDude> oh fuck, I was so clueless :D
58:01 <TheDude> I'm sure specialized modules allow things to be plugged directly into computers
58:07 <Ampera> twisted pair 10G is most certainly a common thing
58:13 <Ampera> with normal 10G NICs
58:14 <TheDude> high performance servers and whatnot
58:15 <Ampera> and 10G switches
58:26 <TheDude> wicked :)
58:29 <Ampera> I believe almost all threadripper boards have 10G twisted pair
58:44 <Ampera> there's also 10G SFP+, which can have different mediums
59:11 <TheDude> I was aware of those fat, expensive plug-in laser modules
59:14 <Ampera> a common one is various modes of fiber, along with twinax copper (think coax, but two) and I think even standard twisted pair modules exist
59:39 <Ampera> afaik a lot of the SFP+ transceivers have gotten much cheaper
17:25 <coppice> its the 10G switches that still cost a lot
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21:43 <Ampera> and oh boy do they
22:01 <Ampera> even if I go SFP+, where you can get second hand switches, it's still 200-600USD for a capable 10G switch
22:23 <Ampera> and unlike twisted pair 10G, you also need to have transceivers and the medium
22:32 <Ampera> and if it's fiber, you also need special tools to terminate it, nevermind splicing.
26:31 <coppice> it was the same with gig-e. it was on all the motherboards long before most people could afford a gig-e switch. finally, as people bought gig-e switches they found many of those gig-e chips of motherboard were not cooled well enough to survive at 1G
29:03 <Ampera> I'm still debating what I want to do with my home network when I move, as I currently have a totally planned multi-switch network that's just arranged however it needed to be
29:24 <Ampera> but I'm considering just having a single large centralized switch, and running as many cables as are needed to individual machines.
59:51 <Nothing\> lol i gave my cats some egg nog
00:09 <Nothing\> smokey fucking loves it, he actually growled at luci when she went to drink some
00:36 <TheDude> >tfw you discover one of your cats is Irish
00:51 <TheDude> ಠ_ಠ
07:08 <Nothing\> is it safe to run a microwave with nothing in it?
07:27 <Ampera> it's not a great idea long term, but it probably won't blow it up
07:31 <TheDude> I wouldn't think it's unsafe
07:39 <TheDude> but it will probably put more wear on the magnetron
07:56 <Ampera> I think it was my grandfather who would just use his microwave as a timer
07:58 <TheDude> because the energy will be reflected back with nothing absorbing it
08:05 <Ampera> he'd cook something or whatever and put the time on the microwave, and just run it
08:07 <TheDude> LOL :D
08:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol they have that function built into them now
08:29 <Nothing\> like i use my microwave's timer to cook stuff in my oven cuz i can't be bothered to learn to use my oven's timer
08:51 <TheDude> I always use the timer on my oven
09:05 <TheDude> speaking of kitchen utilities
09:09 <Nothing\> actually speaking of microwaves, i found a weird glitch on my microwave i was wanting your guys' input in
09:13 <TheDude> I just received the drug dealer scales :)
09:13 <Nothing\> *on
09:53 <Ampera> I just bought some checks
09:56 <Ampera> first time I've ever done that
09:56 <Nothing\> when i press the button to open the door just enough to start lifting the latch, but not enough to open the door yet, it'll run the motor for the turn table and the lights, but afaik not the magnetron
10:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, cheque
10:15 <Nothing\> also, cheques are expensive
10:16 <Ampera> next person caught being canadian in here will be banned
10:26 <Ampera> box of 125 was 10 bucks
10:36 <Nothing\> i looked into getting a chequebook once it was like $50
10:45 <TheDude> uhm
10:45 <Nothing\> that's a much more reasonable price
10:47 <rust_collector> morning, eh?
10:55 <Ampera> I could probably print them myself, but then I'd have to cut them out and deal with getting it right and whatever
11:07 <TheDude> why would one need a cheque these days anyhow?
11:17 <Ampera> they're used quite a lot in the US
11:29 <Ampera> it's one of the easiest ways to give people or businesses money on a whim
11:50 <Ampera> I also am getting a new passport, and the fed will only take money orders or checks
12:11 <TheDude> oh
12:32 <Ampera> they're commonly used in the mail, as it's a bit safer than sending cash
12:34 <TheDude> we do most larger transactions here with SEPA transactions
12:49 <Ampera> they're also technically cheaper than paypal, as you will never be charged a fee to write nor cash a check
13:10 <Nothing\> so i think i accidentally made some fake copper sulphate
13:13 <TheDude> well, paypal is expensive as sin, so that's not really a reasonable comparison
13:56 <Nothing\> check it out. Here's what I made: https://ibb.co/tbRrWhK Which is not copper sulphate and contains neither copper nor sulphates afaik
14:15 <Ampera> TheDude, yeah but what other services are there really
14:19 <TheDude> aah, high quality meth
14:27 <Ampera> I can't think of another way besides cash to give someone money
14:40 <Nothing\> https://d2cbg94ubxgsnp.cloudfront.net/Pictures/480x270//4/4/5/144445_shutterstock_1046036611.jpg
14:41 * TheDude lends his new scale to Nothing\ 
14:43 <Ampera> besides something like western union which is an even stupider idea
14:47 <Nothing\> and real copper sulphate
14:56 <Ampera> or a bank to bank wire, which will also require a fee
15:11 <Nothing\> lol don't get excited, the first picture is just silica gel that absorbed water that had been died blue
15:21 <TheDude> bank to bank transfers here are rather cheap
15:30 <TheDude> 40-ish cents
15:31 <Nothing\> and as a result, the silica gel turned blue as copper sulfate
15:37 <Ampera> checks are free save for the cost of the check
15:44 <Ampera> and I think here the transfer fee is a percentage or something
15:46 <TheDude> speaking of cash
15:58 <Ampera> they're also a complete fucking pain in the ass, since you need to verify a lot of shit and get all their details
15:59 <TheDude> the absolute cunts over here made cash transactions of over 5k€ illegal
16:05 <Ampera> what
16:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeha i just asked my mom and she said her bank was gonna charge her something comparable to $50 for a book of 50 cheques
16:10 <TheDude> yeah
16:14 <Ampera> what
16:18 <TheDude> people used to buy second hand cars with cash
16:19 <Nothing\> so it seems that's a standard practice here
16:24 <Ampera> Nothing\, then don't buy it from your bank
16:26 <Ampera> I bought mine off amazon
16:30 <Nothing\> oh really?
16:37 <TheDude> now you need to go to a bank with the seller and make the transaction
16:41 <Ampera> maybe Canada does checks differently, but they're literally just pieces of paper
16:43 <Nothing\> i didn't know you could get cheques from places other than the bank
16:43 <Ampera> you can print your own
16:57 <TheDude> and they print you a confirmation to show to the seller
17:07 <Ampera> TheDude, is this actual cash, or checks too
17:46 <TheDude> I don't think anyone uses the latter here
17:57 <TheDude> I've never actually seen one IRL
17:57 <Ampera> why not though
18:05 <Ampera> I have a few checks around me actually
18:08 <Nothing\> TheDude, checks?
18:11 <Ampera> including two I forgot to cash
18:13 <TheDude> yes
18:19 <Nothing\> TheDude, how old are you?
18:28 <TheDude> I'm aware of people using them like 20 years ago
18:32 <TheDude> but these days, nope
18:36 <Nothing\> i mean don't get me wrong i haven't seen a cheque in about 20 years
18:38 <TheDude> I'm 26
18:39 <Nothing\> yeah exactly
18:40 <Ampera> what
18:43 <rust_collector> i remember checks, but I have not seen one being used here in... at least 25 years
18:52 <Ampera> how can you not have seen a check in 20 years
18:54 <Nothing\> TheDude, man if only i was 26 again
18:56 <Ampera> maybe they're just a US thing now
19:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, i just don't have any reason to use them
19:09 <TheDude> Nothing\, what would be different, lol? :D
19:17 <rust_collector> we can still use them, but no one knows how to, lol
19:18 <Nothing\> not to mention they're so expensive
19:56 <Nothing\> TheDude, my cognitive faculties would be better and i wouldn't be addicted to anxiety meds yet
20:08 <Nothing\> plus i was more physically fit
20:17 <Nothing\> which i'm trying to work on
20:32 <TheDude> never too late to improve your situation
21:00 <Nothing\> my mom got me this workout thing for x-mas with a chin-up bar, one of those rolly doo-dads and those handle bars you put on the ground for doing push ups
21:08 <TheDude> the gym I go to (went to before the lockdown bullshit) has a lot of people a fair bit older than me that are in very good shape
21:22 <Nothing\> and i've got an exercise bike for cardio
21:36 <Nothing\> i'd like to start off doing at least 2 miles a day
21:59 <TheDude> 2 miles of running or on the exercise bike?
22:13 <rust_collector> running from the bike
22:15 <Nothing\> bike, i have gimp knees so i can't take the impact of running
22:39 <TheDude> yeah, better not force something that doesn't feel right
22:39 <Nothing\> i took it up with my doctor once. He told me to take up swimming
22:49 <TheDude> otherwise you're just doing yourself a disservice
22:55 <Nothing\> which isn't a bad idea since swimming's like one of the best workouts out there
23:00 <TheDude> that was exactly what I wanted to recommend :D
23:11 <rust_collector> swimming, and running without shes can be worth trying... maybe not right now
23:14 <Nothing\> i can't swim though
23:16 <rust_collector> shoes
23:26 <TheDude> except that currently going to a public pool is going to be a bit of a hassle with the covid thing
23:35 <Nothing\> being on methadone, i don't tolerate sudden changes in ambient temperature
23:48 <TheDude> but yeah, swimming is the best form of exercise
23:52 <Nothing\> so when i get into a pool, the cold literally feels like i'm dying
23:59 <Nothing\> sucks the breath right out of me
24:02 <TheDude> because you get a very good workout, but don't stress the joints
24:17 <rust_collector> Nothing\, if it is just a feeling, that is ok.
24:25 <Nothing\> yeah one of those endless pools would be great to have
24:41 <rust_collector> it is calledd "the sea"
24:49 <Nothing\> rust_collector, 90% of what we experience are feelings
24:50 <TheDude> nah, that shit ends
25:01 <Nothing\> rust_collector, nah it's like a treadmill, but in pool form
25:57 <TheDude> Nothing\, the best piece of advice I can give you is to do some sort of group thing
26:10 <TheDude> having other people suffering at the same time is rather uplifting
27:04 <Nothing\> here rust_collector
27:06 <Nothing\> https://crownspas.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/streamline-main.jpg
27:10 <Nothing\> that's an endless pool
27:27 <Nothing\> it basically creates a current that you swim against so you stay in place as you're swimming
27:49 <Nothing\> TheDude, i don't do well in groups
28:00 <Nothing\> like, i haven't had an irl friend in over 10 years
28:11 <Nothing\> much less a social interaction
28:20 <rust_collector> just see them as your victims, you will do ok
28:22 <TheDude> all the more reason to actually go to a group exercise class
28:47 <TheDude> you can make acquaintances quite easily in those sorts of settings
29:04 <Nothing\> TheDude, i dunno, i think putting myself in a situation in which there are things my brain percieves as negative and cause anxiety rather than just 1
30:18 <Nothing\> fucking cat won't stop chewing on the tree
30:37 <Nothing\> xmas tree, that is
30:45 <TheDude> sometimes the fear of the unknown is actually worse than the discomfort of actually being there
31:04 <Nothing\> TheDude, sometimes is all the time for me
31:30 <Nothing\> but in short, i suffer from agoraphobia and ocd, so i can't even leave the house without being sedated atm
31:39 <Nothing\> much less be in a social setting
31:55 <Nothing\> doubly so if it's something my brain considers "work" even if it's not
32:47 <TheDude> well, baby steps
33:04 <TheDude> start by setting small goals and try to stick to them, whatever they might be
33:43 <Nothing\> i get the value in pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone. I mean, i've dealt with this stuff for 25 years so I know a fair bit about it and how to deal with it. But once my limbic system kicks in, there's no way it's turning off without drugs or going to my safe (physical) place
33:46 <TheDude> deciding that you want to change something and improve your life that way is a good start
34:22 <Nothing\> TheDude, lol i made the decision like 10 yars ago
34:43 <Nothing\> but i have definitely made some positive changes. Just not in the way I expected
35:50 <TheDude> that's good, keep going
36:21 <TheDude> if you're feeling anxiety and going home helps you calm down
36:37 <TheDude> start by staying in relative proximity of your home
37:37 <TheDude> I'll be back later, gonna have dinner now
42:47 <Nothing\> lol
43:21 <Nothing\> my mom got a text saying she got a free ps5 if she'd only open the link in the text and fill in the information necessary
43:45 <rust_collector> I am so happy I am immune to that
44:02 <rust_collector> just because I don't want a ps whatevernumber
44:20 <Nothing\> yeah i don't give a shit about the ps5 or whatever the xbox is called
44:47 <rust_collector> now, that kfc game thing, with a heater...
44:55 <Nothing\> i am, however looking forward to nintendo's new console cuz i knew they'll have a sequel to breath of the wind on it
45:12 <rust_collector> If that can be modded to grill kebabs...
45:14 <Nothing\> kfc game with a heater?
45:28 <rust_collector> yes, a game console, with chicken heater
46:22 <rust_collector> https://landing.coolermaster.com/kfconsole/
46:56 <rust_collector> the patented Chicken Chamber.... yaay
48:35 <Nothing\> you hear about how back in the day they developed nuclear landmines where they were to be deployed where it would be too cold for them to work properly. So each mine had a chicken inside it with enough food and water to last it a few days and the chicken would keep the nuke warm enough to remain operational
49:26 <rust_collector> that is pretty much the first useful thing I have heard about a chicken doing
50:02 <Nothing\> other than feeding almost the whole of humanity?
50:08 <Nothing\> also another chicken fact
50:46 <rust_collector> I do not see that as something positive.
50:56 <Nothing\> chickens go nuts at the site of anything red, like blood. So they had to be fitted with special chicken goggles that would prevent them seeing red and attacking eachother to death
51:35 <rust_collector> wth kind of chickens do you have over there?
52:44 <Nothing\> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/77/82/2177823beb6942be9300fd2d5afea4e0.jpg
52:55 <Nothing\> chickens are really aggressive animals, man
53:03 <rust_collector> yeh
53:16 <Nothing\> especially the cockerels
53:51 <Nothing\> nothing quite like being charge down by a big, red, hair cock
54:02 <Nothing\> *charged
54:41 <rust_collector> I have had my time working in chicken farms... i have half an idea. but I can not say I noticed anything about red.
56:31 <Nothing\> yeah i dunno why they don't do it anymore
57:08 <Nothing\> ugh i used this shitty hand sanitizer that smelled like ramen broth earlier and now my hands have smelled like cheap ramen all day
57:20 <Nothing\> actually i should put some lotion on, that'll cover the smell
03:22 <rust_collector> you have noodle smelling hand satanizer, and wonder why they don't put shades on chickens?
08:43 <Nothing\> lol i just filled the sink full of water for the cat
08:47 <Nothing\> he loved it
09:14 <Nothing\> i put a few drops of food coloring in and he actually used his paw to mix it in until it was homogeneous
09:39 <Nothing\> oh snap Ampera i didn't know you were into stardew valley
09:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, you are one creepy fucker
09:51 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
09:51 <rust_collector> yyou know you will end up with a different colour cat?
09:54 <Ampera> I bought it very recently
10:02 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's an amazing game
10:16 <Nothing\> i easily spent over 1 or 2 hundred hours on it
10:17 <Ampera> it reminds me of a less boring version of terraria
10:24 <Nothing\> unfortunately on the switch version
10:26 <Ampera> it's sort of sandbox, but there's actually stuff to do
10:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's more like harvest moon, if you ever played those
10:39 <Ampera> nope
10:48 <Nothing\> ah, that's the series it's based on
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12:50 <Nothing\> but yeah my game on the switch is pretty well end game, i've got most of my museum collection, gotten to the bottom of the cave and not to spoil too much but started the second cave, completed all quests and my first 2 years. I even built a house for Pam so she doesn't have to live in the trailer
13:06 <Nothing\> oh btw Ampera who's your love interest in the game? i always went for the purple haired chick
13:15 <Ampera> I've never gotten that far
13:21 <Ampera> I only have maybe 10-12 hours in the game
13:27 <Nothing\> oh you can start talking to them right away
13:30 <Nothing\> building up hearts
13:31 <Ampera> I'm aware
13:33 <Ampera> I'm aware
13:36 <Nothing\> okay okay
14:13 <Nothing\> anyways, you won't regret it. Except perhaps for how much time you'll spend playing it and how little control you'll have over that.
14:37 <Nothing\> and terraria has goals now btw
15:05 <Nothing\> it's still open ended, but there are bosses and stuff to progress through the game
15:56 <Ampera> I just never got into it
16:00 <Nothing\> then once you beat the one boss you get the "hard mode" with harder bosses and enemies, and different biomes
16:07 <Nothing\> ah, i fell in love with it right away
16:07 <Ampera> I don't think sandbox style gameplay really translates well to sidescrollers
16:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, you ever play starbound?
16:50 <Ampera> No.
17:05 <Nothing\> it's like terraria in space and you can visit different planets, where eac planet is a new map
17:10 <Nothing\> and it's more more linear
17:31 <Nothing\> there's also more content, apparently
18:18 <Nothing\> the one thing i hate about terraria is starting a new game, cuz the preperations for a new map alone take hours upon hours
18:33 <Nothing\> especially digging those fucking "hellevators"
19:13 <Ampera> That's what I didn't like about Terraria
19:29 <Ampera> I'm sure there's some proper riveting stuff on the by, but I don't care to blow hours doing boring nothings just to get to it
19:42 <Ampera> it's not even a therapeutic nothing, it's just irritating
22:17 <Nothing\> that and building the housing for the NPCs
22:20 <Nothing\> that was so tedious
22:31 <Nothing\> i'd just build a box with walls, a torch, table and chair
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37:32 <Ysjoelfir> I just love the way she reads the book in her intro xD
37:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhWWcWtAUoY
40:24 <rust_collector> that is like japanese porn in text? with the pixel thing
42:09 <Ysjoelfir> nah. its because monetization stuff I guess
42:43 <rust_collector> I just saw black square things
42:52 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
42:56 <rust_collector> right
47:16 * Ysjoelfir hands rust_collector a cup of Punsch
48:03 * rust_collector looks at a cup of punsch in his hand
48:19 <rust_collector> thanks
48:30 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy
48:48 <Ysjoelfir> its apple punsch with rum from the region I was born
48:59 <rust_collector> hmm. interesting
49:34 <Nothing\> i've never seen it spelled with an S before
49:45 <Nothing\> round here it's always spelled punch
49:49 <Ysjoelfir> In german its Punsch. Or Bowle if its cold
50:04 <Nothing\> ah my mom could probably vouch for that
50:09 <Nothing\> she's fluent
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20:23 <Nothing\> i'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to open multiple server tabs in hexchat
20:32 <rust_collector> okaay. i think I should put a little voltage regulator or something into this little power box, to run the voltmeter. i wonder if starting with a single diode as a rectifier, would give me little enough output, so I can use "any" regulator.
20:38 <rust_collector> Nothing\, it is
20:44 <Nothing\> how?
20:55 <Nothing\> i can't find anything about how to do it even in documentation
21:02 <rust_collector> uhm...
21:08 <Nothing\> i'm sure i'm just not searching for the right thing but still
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21:52 <Nothing\> see i always thought it was /server -m <address> like mirc but apparently not
21:55 <rust_collector> oops
22:27 <rust_collector> did you figure it out?
23:12 <Nothing\> nope
23:39 <Nothing\> i'd always just use a new window for a new server
24:18 <rust_collector> well, use the menus? network list, something something
24:43 <Nothing\> yeah i checked that out, there's no checkbox or anything to connect in the same window like mirc has
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24:54 <Nothing\> or anything to indicate it would open a new tab or anything of the sort
25:54 <Nothing\> using 2.14.3 btw
27:08 <rust_collector> 2.14.2 here
28:01 <rust_collector> ok, I probably don't know what you want, so I don't know
29:23 <Nothing\> i want to be able to open 2 server tabs in 1 window
30:51 <rust_collector> yes, but I am probably dumb enough to not know enough computerese to get that. i get freenode and austnet, and whatever else I want in different tabs, in one window, I think?
32:39 <Ysjoelfir> what do you do on the free node?
32:58 <rust_collector> not much, lol
33:15 <Ysjoelfir> ah. so you just log onto the server and do nothing. nice :D
33:49 <rust_collector> I guess it is just a habit, I am on #antix, and #linuxbbq. there is not much happening in either
35:05 <Ysjoelfir> Antix.. have read that word before.
35:32 <rust_collector> either linux, or face cream, or something
37:24 <rust_collector> what you end up with, is probably depending on your search history
38:18 <Ysjoelfir> a debian distribution is what it suggests :D
38:30 <rust_collector> nerd
38:37 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :)
38:42 <rust_collector> well, it is, sort of almost
40:23 <Nothing\> welp, no kerbal space program
40:30 <Nothing\> i fell asleep
42:03 <Ysjoelfir> did you again take like 500 sleeping pills?
42:58 <rust_collector> "no no, I would never take more than 50, when I mix with mgbpfftix and hupbursulphide
43:01 <Nothing\> 
43:08 <Nothing\> 
43:13 <Nothing\> mebbe mebbmeb
43:17 <Nothing\> shit sorry
43:20 <Nothing\> i didn't realize i had that much whitespace before what i was typing
43:29 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, but more so i've only had an hour of sleep
43:30 <Ysjoelfir> eh.... what? :D
43:47 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, all those space characters i just put in
43:56 <Ysjoelfir> Yes, I noticed them.
43:58 <Nothing\> and i was saying maybe i did
43:59 <rust_collector> you hadone whole hour already this week?
44:24 <Nothing\> rust_collector, other way around, week's worth in an hour
44:37 <rust_collector> heh, that is efficient
44:55 <Ysjoelfir> who needs sleep anyways?
45:30 <rust_collector> those weird animals that sleep in trees
46:15 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, the irony when i was taking a month's worth over the course of a few days was that i'd go the other 3 weeks or so without them so i never got physically addicted
56:45 <rust_collector> I think I am addicted to pasta. at least today
57:22 <Ysjoelfir> We had meatballs. it was great.
57:59 <rust_collector> I am heating up some prefab carbonara. it is not bad
02:20 <rust_collector> it comes in nice 2 pound portions
04:10 <Ysjoelfir> you should try ramen
04:38 <rust_collector> well. I should try a lot of stuff
05:01 <rust_collector> I don't want to eat stuff that smells like Nothings hand cleaner
06:10 * Ysjoelfir sniffs Nothing\'s hands
06:15 <Ysjoelfir> eh
06:17 <Ysjoelfir> I see
06:46 <rust_collector> yep
07:00 <rust_collector> it is a thing. you can not unsmell that now
08:17 <rust_collector> i should try to make pasta again. I wonder if mom would be very angry, if I used her curtain and table cloth roller thing.....
09:12 <Ysjoelfir> nah, she'll be fine
09:56 <rust_collector> probably. I don't think I have seen her use it, so...
10:15 <Ysjoelfir> see?
10:26 * Ysjoelfir will take a shower [brb]
42:54 <electrohead> o/
43:04 <rust_collector> oiio
46:45 <electrohead> hey
46:53 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr head
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12:48 <Ysjoelfir> hm. looks like mr. head went to bed again
15:39 <electrohead> nah, I'm at work :P
15:44 <Ysjoelfir> :O
15:57 <steve30> hi
16:18 <electrohead> my boss is cool with me bringing in my one laptop to do my computer thing :P
16:21 <electrohead> lol
16:23 <electrohead> hey steve30
16:59 <electrohead> it's the time where everyone is getting off of work, so a lot of (them) come in to buy their beer, haha
26:29 <steve30> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55475433
26:41 <steve30> "Brexit deal mentions Netscape browser and Mozilla Mail"
28:30 <rust_collector> that is a good sign
30:10 * Ysjoelfir enjoys a beer
32:58 * steve30 coffees
33:05 <electrohead> what kind of beer?
33:09 * Ysjoelfir hands steve30 a Pülleken
33:15 <Ysjoelfir> mr. head, a Pülleken.
33:54 <rust_collector> arrrr all you people doing productive things
34:22 * steve30 watches EEVBlog
34:39 <rust_collector> except mr steve, I guess
34:40 <Ysjoelfir> Had an Altbier before, which is a very strong, bitter dark beer. The Pülleken is a very mild light one with pretty strong hop flavour. Needed something easy as I am starting to feel a bit dizzy
35:23 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, you could buy that for me and bring it over, then we can tinker on it together. www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/gespann-dnepr-aehnlich-m72-ural/1616599726-305-19785
35:35 <rust_collector> la la la. ok, i am having a something with something
36:03 <rust_collector> oh, a china clone-clone
38:04 <rust_collector> nice shoes...
38:57 <Ysjoelfir> I like the dneprs, though I heard they are even more shitty than the urals^^
39:24 <rust_collector> if I got it right, ural did not make any, or very many, with the sidecar drive, so you are almost stuck with the drive from dnepr
39:38 <rust_collector> oh yes, they are cheaper built
41:40 <rust_collector> you also notice if you buy bearings. on the ural, they are full of what looks and smells like mashed up dead horse skin and gasoline. the dnepr bearings come with unidentifiable substance
42:24 <rust_collector> none of them feel like grease, but the ural gloop is at least a little bit closer
43:26 <Ysjoelfir> XD
43:28 <DHess_US> Who said that overhead plumbing was a joy to work on?
43:52 <rust_collector> uuh. no one I know
44:13 <DHess_US> Well, they were wrong.
45:02 <DHess_US> Installed two shutoff valves. Water runs into my hair, into my face, down both arms into my clothes, and then water pours onto my trouble light which shuts off.
47:35 <rust_collector> I think plumbing has to happen when the water is solid. it makes it less something
48:20 <coppice> rust_collector: so, you'd put the project on ice until the water goes solid?
48:33 <rust_collector> yup
57:20 <electrohead> DHess_US: fun times
57:41 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I'm more of a fan of darker beers
57:47 <electrohead> but, will try anything
58:10 <Ysjoelfir> then you need to try Altbier
59:33 <DHess_US> electrohead, at least fun was a few years ago when I rebuilt the main shutoff valve. It was like a scene from Das Boot with flickering lighting, water squirting everywhere, giant wrenches, etc.
59:45 <electrohead> lmfao
59:55 <electrohead> this your house, or some other place?
00:06 <rust_collector> TEK-NO TEK-NO
00:12 <DHess_US> My place.
01:38 <electrohead> ahh, so, saving a lot of money then, huh?
01:46 <electrohead> err, by doing it yourself, rather
02:33 <rust_collector> it was a 50% sale on shutoff valves, so he saves 150%, now that he has 3 of them
03:19 <DHess_US> electrohead, plus doing it right, since I'm fixing things which were done wrong to start with.
03:41 <electrohead> the shop here had a slight plumbing issue, with the toilet recently, the plumbers charged my boss nearly $150 for a fucking half hour of work
03:44 <electrohead> :/
03:56 <DHess_US> You got a deal.
03:57 <electrohead> damn, yeah that's the worst, fixing other people's fuck-ups
04:21 <electrohead> well, fifteen minutes of that work was pure talking
04:34 <DHess_US> Now anyway I have shutoff valves going to the shower that has the leaking Mowen faucet which was installed in such a way that there is no way to change it.
04:39 <rust_collector> how much would you charge, to drive an hour each way, to look at someones toilet?
05:02 <DHess_US> And to have the tools and expertise necessary to fix it in less than a day.
05:16 <electrohead> rust_collector: they are only five minutes away from the shop, and they snaked the lines
05:33 <rust_collector> that is not the point
05:59 <electrohead> I wasn't here for it, so I don't know the full story, but apparently it was a very quick fix, so at least (we) had that going for us
06:12 <rust_collector> it usually is
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06:34 <rust_collector> but you still have to go somewhere to deal with peoples toilets, 150 seems fair
08:09 <electrohead> 150 is a lot of beer, though
08:11 <electrohead> lol
08:19 <TheDude> why would you need 555 equations?
08:36 <rust_collector> 150 is not very much beer over here
08:54 <rust_collector> not because plumbers are cheap, but...
09:06 <rust_collector> at least beer is expensive too
09:37 <TheDude> are we talking bog standard beer that they make in massive batches
09:54 <TheDude> or some more artisan brews?
10:04 <rust_collector> cheapest you can find
10:49 <DHess_US> TheDude, I wouldn't. I don't like the 555 and never use it.
10:50 <TheDude> 130€ (about 150 bucks, i suppose) would get you like 130 liters of cheap beer
11:27 <TheDude> oh, USD is rather weak
11:33 <TheDude> make that 120€ and 120l of beer
11:41 <MrMobodies> Hello
11:44 <TheDude> hi
12:01 <rust_collector> well, if you count the trip from here, that is not a great deal either
12:06 <MrMobodies> strange how luck goes as someone told me. Badluck can hapen in threes
12:23 <MrMobodies> toilet blocked, cisten sticks and leaked over my workshop
12:33 <rust_collector> uhm
12:34 <TheDude> :(
12:39 <rust_collector> that is not ideal
12:43 <MrMobodies> I am going to ublock it tomorrow
12:50 <MrMobodies> it leaked all overe my old keyboards
12:59 <TheDude> awww
12:59 <MrMobodies> as it was in the ceiling
13:04 <MrMobodies> I had to remove the keys and dry it
13:18 <MrMobodies> the AT type ones I am keeping for sentimental value
13:39 <MrMobodies> 2nd thing, my ISP OneBill/XLN notified me they were wirthdrawing my tarif
13:45 <MrMobodies> like the other line
13:51 <MrMobodies> and my bill would 147
14:00 <MrMobodies> £27 more
14:11 <MrMobodies> what it doesn't say on the form is that I can leave within 30 days
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14:22 <MrMobodies> I am planning to shop around
14:30 <TheDude> absolutely do that
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14:32 <MrMobodies> then I was told, it was £7 increase
14:49 <MrMobodies> I said anymore increasing and I am going to terminate
14:53 <MrMobodies> but yes I will shop around
14:57 <TheDude> the best feedback you can give them is with your money
14:58 <MrMobodies> and get sone quotes
15:03 <MrMobodies> I like that
15:15 <MrMobodies> the service is great and everything, contacting them is easy.
15:20 <MrMobodies> the billing is TERRIBLE
15:37 <MrMobodies> dodgy billing practices and you can find that on their trustpilot reviews
16:02 <MrMobodies> that is the only thing is the uncertainity and non transparent
16:22 <MrMobodies> I tried contacting Talktalkbusiness (to see if they serve the are again) and Xen
16:29 <MrMobodies> no one picked up
16:51 <MrMobodies> and htey have bad reviews too for all sorts of things
17:05 <electrohead> "I said anymore increasing and I am going to terminate" -> I tried saying/doing something similar with comcast, and they didn't give a shit, lol..
17:26 <MrMobodies> I don't really want to move unless it is an improvement, but I got to arm myself
17:45 <electrohead> joke's on me, though - they have the monopoly in my general area for high speed internet, and for a .. ehh, somewhat decent price
18:13 <electrohead> for similar speeds with verizon, I'd be paying double. no access to fiber, at all
18:16 <MrMobodies> they did give me a 30 days notice that was unclear, I got them to put in writing that the bill will be £127 and no more otherwise I can expect to leave after penalty free
18:22 <MrMobodies> aaah no fibre
18:29 <MrMobodies> you on VDSL?
18:37 <electrohead> nah, coaxial cable
18:40 <electrohead> internet only
18:45 <MrMobodies> oh that, Docis
18:50 <electrohead> and still pay $90 a month
18:55 <electrohead> ahh, yeah, docsis
19:00 <MrMobodies> that's about as much as mine
19:10 <MrMobodies> per 1 line
19:14 <electrohead> what are your speeds, though?
19:39 <MrMobodies> about 70+ mbps down and 18mbps up
19:55 <MrMobodies> improved since I put screened cables down when I moved
20:06 <MrMobodies> So I have two lines with them
20:09 <electrohead> ahh
20:10 <MrMobodies> 16 static Ip's per line
20:16 <MrMobodies> they billed me £2.50
20:19 <electrohead> o.O
20:26 <MrMobodies> they told me it is wholesale deals they get
20:30 <electrohead> ok ok, you have me beat, heh
20:41 <MrMobodies> I have an international phone package for my mum
20:51 <electrohead> I'm around 130 Mb down, and.. I think 10 or 12 Mb up
20:53 <electrohead> one IP
20:56 <rust_collector> 70/18. that is something
20:56 <electrohead> not even static
20:58 <MrMobodies> busness assurance they added on for members incase we are chagred bt Openreach
21:18 <MrMobodies> I am actually Jealous of Ampera, he has Gigabit and IPV6
21:30 <electrohead> I am too, lol
21:49 <electrohead> IPv6 is one thing I do have, though
21:50 <MrMobodies> whereas mine didn't implmenet it yet and recommended me that free tunnel thing
21:58 <electrohead> just don't really use it, though
22:13 <MrMobodies> they have applied the international package to the other line though which is not what i want but
22:31 <MrMobodies> the good things I cant fault, customer services
22:39 <MrMobodies> you call them and they are quick very quick
22:44 <rust_collector> what is the international package?
22:46 <MrMobodies> when I want to report faults
22:46 <TheDude> uhm
22:57 <MrMobodies> making calls to other counteries
23:07 <MrMobodies> things you can do on Skype
23:08 <electrohead> with comcast, I swear it's protocol to make people wait for at least 15 minutes on hold, hahaha
23:14 <MrMobodies> but where we call it is terrible
23:16 <MrMobodies> with voip
23:21 <TheDude> I might just be a bit ignorant... but why would one desire an IPv6?
23:23 <MrMobodies> 15 minutes
23:26 <MrMobodies> bt ar elike hours
23:32 <MrMobodies> BT take hours to reach
23:36 <TheDude> what's wrong with IPv4?
23:39 <MrMobodies> Virginmedia seems worse
23:44 <MrMobodies> I would like both to play with
24:15 <steve30> IPv6 eliminated the need for NAT etc
24:21 <MrMobodies> so when IPV4 ends in future, won't have last minute issues with my port forwarding well that is not
24:24 <MrMobodies> yes
24:39 <MrMobodies> I mean my IP4 devices through ipv6 tunneling
24:48 <MrMobodies> no more nat which is great
24:53 <TheDude> okay
25:15 <MrMobodies> So I live with my parents
25:16 <TheDude> so basically... if I understand this correctly
25:27 <MrMobodies> they pay me £60 towards the package
25:31 <TheDude> every device on your home network will have a globally unique address?
25:40 <steve30> yup
25:46 <TheDude> interdasting
25:56 <MrMobodies> but what about the older stuff that don't support it
26:08 <MrMobodies> like my old NAS
26:16 <steve30> I use both IPv4 and v6 here now.
26:33 <MrMobodies> I suppose I will sort it before that time
26:39 <MrMobodies> with the Pfsense router
27:36 <MrMobodies> so the £127/2 would be like £63.50
28:07 <MrMobodies> I shoulder that for now but it is time to arm myself with other quotes if they "PULL ANOTHER FAST ONE"
28:45 <rust_collector> ask for a brexit discount
29:00 <MrMobodies> I like that one
29:08 <MrMobodies> they are a wholesaler afterwall
29:29 <MrMobodies> they have an email system for staff
29:42 <MrMobodies> they set me up with one with an SMTP connector for free
29:52 <MrMobodies> it is Mailenable I think
30:07 <MrMobodies> I got this message that they were going to upgrade it and give me "a fresh look"
30:22 <MrMobodies> I looked at the new package and it looked bloated
30:36 <MrMobodies> so I phoned them requesting not to do it
31:15 <MrMobodies> Someone agreed with me, the new UI looks is horrid as they said it was rolled out to most of their staff
31:18 <MrMobodies> where they click a link
31:43 <MrMobodies> one good thing, they left that alone
31:54 <MrMobodies> I just it for monitoring and stuff
32:05 <DHess_US> Oh, also cut myself on a copper pipe and got zinc chloride into the wound.
32:46 <MrMobodies> oh
33:02 <MrMobodies> http://www.mailenable.com/version8/screen_v8_prm.jpg
33:09 <MrMobodies> notice big toolbar and buttons
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35:24 <TheDude> that looks quite nice
35:25 <MrMobodies> compared to this
35:27 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/NcKTlLtg.jpg
35:42 <TheDude> I know worse
35:44 <TheDude> hold on
36:24 <TheDude> https://heavenlylex.weebly.com/uploads/1/2/3/7/123755441/894267726.png
36:33 <TheDude> this is the garbage we use at work
36:44 <TheDude> it's truly horrendous
36:47 <TheDude> full of bugs, too
36:54 <MrMobodies> I see the tabs
36:58 <MrMobodies> AAhh Lotus Notes
37:04 <MrMobodies> I had someone who used that 20 years ago
37:15 <MrMobodies> and after some edition he left I think was 2001
37:19 <DHess_US> I'm still using the email client I used 20 years ago.
37:27 <MrMobodies> some problem with Lotus Notes
37:42 <DHess_US> https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
37:43 <MrMobodies> I heard it was good then
37:46 <TheDude> I don't know how IBM manages to keep something this fucking bad in this day and age
38:02 <TheDude> they deserve like an award for achieving something truly remarkable
38:15 <MrMobodies> $14.75	·	Unlimited / mo
38:56 <MrMobodies> oh usernet services
39:06 <MrMobodies> got it confused with something else sorry
39:44 <MrMobodies> Joke: like the MCA bus
39:54 <MrMobodies> where they charged a levy on it
40:06 <MrMobodies> and they lost
42:47 <MrMobodies> oh speaking of Acronis
42:54 <MrMobodies> anybody hear used Acronis before?
43:05 <MrMobodies> I only used it once and got my money back after being lied to
43:15 <MrMobodies> the 2018 edition
44:04 <MrMobodies> I wanted to directly disk image and extract but apparenty won't let me and found notes confirming that after the purchase
44:13 <MrMobodies> that was I think some years ago
44:24 <MrMobodies> and it looked all clowny to me
44:48 <MrMobodies> until I found Macrium Reflect which wasn't free then but had a 60 day trial
46:28 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/9odneIz
47:59 <DHess_US> I've used Acronis Disk Director without problems.
48:21 <MrMobodies> that was not the disk director. I think I did install a trial version
48:27 <MrMobodies> and it was looked good
48:42 <MrMobodies> I could resize the partitions and all sort other stuff
48:51 <DHess_US> Used it just last week to transfer the boot disk on this system to a different drive.
49:00 <MrMobodies> but I came across something, that it could not clone GPT partitions
49:08 <MrMobodies> maybe that has changed from then
49:20 <MrMobodies> it looked like a really layout
49:37 <DHess_US> I'm using Disk Director 12
50:23 <MrMobodies> https://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/12/04/76a5c0ee-7b92-11e4-9a74-d4ae52e95e57/resize/770xauto/241b3ccba0c5b53852e70d425fdb7ef3/acronis-dd-12.jpg
50:35 <MrMobodies> still looking good
53:16 <MrMobodies> maybe I should have chosen that instead of the Acronis 2018 thing which put me right off
54:12 <MrMobodies> I was the True image 2018
59:13 <MrMobodies> I think it is my fault, I chose the wrong product, despite what the salesman told me. The Disk Director seems more appropriate. oh well
00:45 * electrohead introduces MrMobodies to dd
00:47 <MrMobodies> It's just before my refund I had a right go at them on the phone.
00:58 <MrMobodies> dd?
01:30 <electrohead> dd, the CLI tool in linux? ever hear of it?
02:16 <rust_collector> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dd.1.html
02:17 <DHess_US> It isn't that easy if you are copying a Windoes boot volume.
02:40 <MrMobodies> nope, I came across Clonezilla which a lot messing about
02:42 <DHess_US> You have to change the disk key and update that in the OS to get it to boot correctly.
03:11 <DHess_US> You *can* make an exact copy, but then if both volumes are installed into the system, it will become very confused.
03:23 <MrMobodies> what a handy tool
03:43 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, I think True Image will work also but I haven't tried it.
03:59 <rust_collector> sure. but be careful, as it does exactly what you tell it to do
03:59 <MrMobodies> oh nono, terrible UI
04:21 <electrohead> I haven't done anything with windows in a very long time, but for boot partitions/volumes, I've never had issues. surely, you'll have to do a few more things manually, but that's part of it :p
04:27 <rust_collector> the ui does not need to be good, if it works well?
04:30 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/9odneIz
04:41 <MrMobodies> Truie Image 2018
04:55 <MrMobodies> well when I mean UI I want it to be basic
04:59 <MrMobodies> not in the form of tiles
05:06 <MrMobodies> where I tend to get confused
05:18 <MrMobodies> command lines, if window menus
05:42 <MrMobodies> but I find this confusing maybe it#'s me https://i.imgur.com/UXM8a8xg.jpg
06:05 <MrMobodies> it would not extract to another drive
06:12 <electrohead> (then again, I work at the CLI 100% of the time, so I'm just spreading my knowledge of CLI utilities)
06:41 <MrMobodies> what it was, I wanted at that time, copy drive into file which it did
07:24 <MrMobodies> but when I wanted to extract to a blank disk (exactly the same type) when I clicked next it required me to make a Livecd
07:36 <MrMobodies> something like that and I was furoius
08:09 <MrMobodies> Norton Ghost extracted without a problem but no EFI support where I have to manually set it
09:04 <MrMobodies> on the other hand it could because I was confused with appearance I did it wrong but I was told it couldn't be done (despite being told it would if I paid for it).
15:08 <MrMobodies> found it
15:08 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/K1aiwNM
16:28 <MrMobodies> I remember now it about was about being told I had to make a LIVECD (with the drivers) over the phone and a whole bunch other things just to extract it to work.
17:01 * electrohead secretly installs linux on MrMobodies's computer and runs
17:03 <MrMobodies> Macrium did it without a problem. But then I think the Disk Director would have been the right one
17:06 <electrohead> :p
17:35 <MrMobodies> I suppose that handy tool will be good, I'll experimenting with that soon.
17:47 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/gallery/vgyrm0E
17:54 <MrMobodies> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dd.1.html thanks
18:03 <electrohead> just be careful, though, if you actually decide to try that out !!
18:07 <DHess_US> Before Acronis Disk Director I used Partition Magic to do the same thing and they also had a separate disk imaging program which didn't seem to work as well.
18:35 <electrohead> dd has a tendency to stand for "disk destroyer" if you aren't careful
18:54 <MrMobodies> firmware level?
19:20 <electrohead> well, more of, .. ermm, here's an example:
19:41 <electrohead> dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/path/to/image.iso status=progress
19:42 <MrMobodies> I read about Seagate putting the firmware on the drive and in 2009 there were problem at first
20:14 <electrohead> say for example, you're trying to get that image back on the drive, or worst yet, trying to copy data off of a drive, and you mess up if and of
20:14 <Ampera> MrMobodies, IPv6 is a fun side experiment
20:26 <Ampera> it's neat to see how horribly they implemented it
20:27 <electrohead> you can overwrite data and lose it permanently
20:39 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
20:43 * electrohead hugs Ampera
20:46 <electrohead> hey mate
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20:53 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
21:23 <MrMobodies> IPV6 fun, still got to work on that tunnel thing Hurricane electronicxs
21:30 <electrohead> useful utilities in linux - dd, fdisk, gdisk, mkfs.[type of partition, ie, ext4, ext3, vfat, ntfs]
21:33 <MrMobodies> I have many drives and stuff to play with
21:33 <Ampera> Hurricane Electric
21:37 <Ampera> I got it all working in en evening
21:43 <electrohead> Ampera: I'm doing, currently at work
21:43 <Ampera> I've never once used gdisk
21:54 <rust_collector> he is installing esp32 automatic toilet flusher device in the toilet at work
22:00 <MrMobodies> so I wouldn't depend on it yet until I understand what to do,
22:20 <electrohead> Ampera: yeah I know, fdisk can do everything nowadays :p
22:30 <steve30> I couldn't the the HE tunnel to work, as it needs the IPv4 address to be pingable.
22:34 <Ampera> MrMobodies, the good thing about IPv6 is it can operate completely independently of IPv4, so any experiments you do therein don't usually affect IPv4
22:42 <Ampera> steve30, are you under CGNAT?
23:06 <MrMobodies> nice with that being dependent
23:18 <MrMobodies> I did use a livecd thing about 10 years ago to low level format something Gparted and it had Arch on there
23:22 <steve30> No, just a silly router which doesn't allow pings
23:29 <MrMobodies> but the what it did it locked the drive with a password
23:36 <MrMobodies> after it finished
23:38 <Ampera> steve30, then get a different router
23:43 <steve30> Its not mine
23:49 <Ampera> just needs to be a box with two NICs
23:50 <Ampera> so?
23:59 <electrohead> gparted is nice for the GUI, I still have a gparted iso burned to a disc somewhere
24:11 <Ampera> I have gparted live on PXE
24:14 <MrMobodies> I discovered it was a default password from Westerden digital Blue drive that unlocked it.
24:18 <steve30> Its my mothers. I prefer not to touch it.
24:25 <Ampera> but I want to get rid of it and replace it with a custom live Arch environment
24:31 <Ampera> steve30, ah, then that's alright
24:49 <MrMobodies> but other partition stuff tools seem to work nicely too
25:05 <electrohead> MrMobodies: oh, check out ddrescue as well
25:07 <Ampera> though if you can afford a VPS, steve30, you could tunnel into it and have your own WAN address through a VPN
25:09 <steve30> If I don't touch it at all, I can be sure that if she can't access the internet on her iThings, I can't possibly be blamed.
25:29 <steve30> Ampera, I have a paid for tunneling service which works nicely :)
25:33 <electrohead> while you are at it: photorec/testdisk
25:39 <MrMobodies> okay: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/ddrescue/
25:42 <Ampera> that's what was good about not having a smartphone
25:54 <Ampera> when people started bitching to me about theirs I had an easy, I don't know anything about it, argument
26:05 <Ampera> what even is the point of ddrescue
26:07 <MrMobodies> aah I use that Testdisk 7.2
26:09 <MrMobodies> brilliant
26:21 <electrohead> 99% of my data recovery work is successful with ddrescue
26:27 <steve30> I usually get out of helping people with iThings simply because I've never used one so don't have a clue how to work them.
26:34 <Ampera> yeah but what's the point of it
26:35 <Ampera> over just dd
26:51 <MrMobodies> can restore partitions that are accidentally deleted
26:59 <rust_collector> it is supposed to be somewhat safer, I believe
27:08 <Ampera> so it can edit the partition table?
27:22 <Ampera> neat I suppose, but I can also do that with fdisk+dd
27:32 <MrMobodies> I think it searches first but can alter geomery and other stuff
27:36 <Ampera> rust_collector, what's safer about it
27:38 <MrMobodies> testdisk I mean
27:41 <Ampera> oh
28:11 <rust_collector> Ampera, not sure. I can not remember actually using it for anything useful.
28:39 <rust_collector> but from reading, I think it is sort of limited in how much it can mess up your stuff
28:47 <electrohead> Ampera: I use it because of the options of doing multiple passes, sanity checking, and overall it's more automated than manually using dd
28:50 <rust_collector> compared to plain dd
29:02 <Ampera> ah, wikipedia states it does more than just copying
29:09 <Ampera> so it has actual code to deal with dying drives
29:37 <electrohead> plus, you can tell it to use a map file (log file), so say if you need to interrupt the copy/backup progress, it will pick up from where it left off
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29:55 <MrMobodies> like the timeouts?
30:09 <MrMobodies> on dyring drives to speed things up a little
30:18 <electrohead> yes, that too
30:50 <MrMobodies> I know there was something that tried to fix magnetic issues from Gibsons Research
31:01 <electrohead> Ampera: https://linux.die.net/man/1/ddrescue
31:02 <MrMobodies> Spinrite but others stated it may be too late if
31:07 <electrohead> check out all of the arguments/options
31:08 <electrohead> :D
31:13 <electrohead> that'll explain it best, haha
31:15 <Ampera> electrohead, yes I have manuals
31:21 <Ampera> I wanted the summary
32:42 * electrohead surrounds Ampera with man pages
32:43 <MrMobodies> that's it good it seems it can be set to ignore bad sectors.
33:00 <Ampera> I think I've only ever had a hard drive die on my once
33:05 <Ampera> and if it was my hard drive is debatable
33:10 <rust_collector> the hirens stuff could be useful some times. lots of tools in that, at least in the older version
33:21 <Ampera> when it did, ddrescue would have been no help as it didn't even read anything off the drive
33:29 <Ampera> fortunately, I had backups
34:02 <MrMobodies> hirens' with the MHDD
34:29 <MrMobodies> another handy thing I use to check the sectors many years ago
34:39 <MrMobodies> for new drives too
35:21 <MrMobodies> I found that on some newer drives over 200mb scanning it would pause and 50ms appears randomly though.
35:36 <MrMobodies> ooh sorry not 50mhs 20ms
36:25 <MrMobodies> when I brought drives on ebay very handy
36:26 <coppice_> this is why there are special streaming drives if you need continuous streaming
36:41 <MrMobodies> aaha Seagate had one
37:02 <MrMobodies> can't remeber the name now
37:19 <MrMobodies> SV35
37:21 <rust_collector> well, good night.
37:35 <MrMobodies> night
37:58 <MrMobodies> pulled one out of an old Dedicated Micros video recorder
41:53 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/xBDYvTIg.jpg
43:05 <MrMobodies> I think they were might have been 250 -500 gb each and that had like two in them some were already faulty.
44:07 <MrMobodies> they were given to me many of them had a genuine fault
44:48 <MrMobodies> the codecs would randomy fail and they cost a couple of hundred pound to replace not covered by the warranty
45:00 <MrMobodies> so the company gave up on them
45:20 <MrMobodies> costing too much on the engineers time
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05:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just did a 2 hour @TheAmpHour with @mikelectricstuf , coming to you in the new year. If you guessed LED's, Micro's and EV's you'd be right on the money.
44:53 <electrohead> home o/
47:56 * Ampera hugs electrohead on his way in the door
48:27 * electrohead offers chicken
48:33 <Ampera> of what sort
48:51 <electrohead> just some boneless, skinless chicken I baked in the oven
49:15 <electrohead> oh, and with italian dressing on it
49:24 <electrohead> ever try that with chicken? it's damn good
51:26 * Ampera brings the saffron rice
52:03 <electrohead> now it's a meal :P
53:00 <Ampera> I've never actually tried it
53:15 <Ampera> what I usually do with chicken, and often pork and mushrooms, is I'll fry it in a pan
53:18 <Ampera> but I'll /really/ fry it
53:41 <Ampera> so it's properly, er, roasted I guess
53:45 <electrohead> lol
53:51 <Ampera> just chop it into cubes so you have the most surface area
53:58 <Ampera> and get the outside all crispy
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03:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL at the people complaining I made a 35min repair video replacing a switch, it should have been 5 minutes. I suspect you might be subscribed to the wrong channel...
05:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: I donate every year, wearing the shirt now. https://t.co/Oz7BjA8kMl :Which was quoting: Jeremy Blum: I'm supporting @EFF because online privacy, free speech, and digital access are more important than ever before. Let's rise to the challenge together. https://t.co/HJ6KlwSb8f
06:35 <electrohead> I have sausage links thawed out, I'll be making those tomorrow I think
06:51 <Ampera> tomorrow is hamburger helper
06:59 <Ampera> the day after tomorrow is hamburger helper
07:00 <steve30> i need to buy sausages
07:12 * Ampera cracks steve30 on the head with a frozen pack of bratwurst
07:21 <steve30> yum
08:05 * electrohead squirts mustard everywhere
08:23 * Ampera slaps electrohead with a pack of condoms
08:29 <Ampera> use protection next time
09:37 * electrohead makes balloons
09:48 <electrohead> now I have spermicide on my lips
09:51 <electrohead> lmfao
10:38 <Ampera> electrohead, are you asking for something?
11:00 <electrohead> :P
11:19 <electrohead> I'm more saying, you handed me the wrong condoms to play with hahahaha
12:10 <Ampera> electrohead, it'd be a shame to let that spermicide go to waste though, all over your lips and such
12:30 * electrohead dies laughing
12:56 <Ampera> that's no big deal, just means you won't gag later
13:45 <electrohead> o.o
20:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: 2020 in summary https://t.co/lZsGijLtjL
47:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Hey @EFF please bring back the Signal the unicorn T-Shirts! I get plenty of comments on the street about it. :Which was quoting: Dave Jones: I donate every year, wearing the shirt now. https://t.co/Oz7BjA8kMl https://t.co/OZM1I77AUk
48:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Back of the shirt for those playing along at home https://t.co/e2UL8vPQYK
01:47 <arch> TheDude, what temp thermocouples did you get for your laminator?
02:14 <TheDude> it's been quite a while since I've done that
02:25 <TheDude> let my rustle through my emails, see if I can find something
03:43 <arch> TheDude, dont worry about it. im gonna get the 150C thermostats, $6 for a pack of 5
04:15 <TheDude> okay, it looks like I ordered 150°C thermostats
04:22 <TheDude> but instead got 130°C ones
04:29 <TheDude> so I just used that
04:38 <TheDude> the original was 105°C or something like that
11:38 <arch> 130C thermostats kinda suck, that's what i have right now. they work "okay", but can def be better with 150C
12:03 <TheDude> that largely depends on the toner that is used
12:19 <TheDude> the samsung stuff seems to work perfectly with that
12:46 <arch> i used both genuine and generic toners, with a brother laser printer. same deal. it's just plain "ok" with 130C thermos
12:54 <TheDude> it sticks really well to the copper, it can withstand a fairly decent scrub when I'm removing the paper
13:00 <arch> definitely can't toner transfer more delicate works without higher temp
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18:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: By popular demand, tactile switch teardown video rendering now.
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04:41 * steve30 is cold
17:53 * hsn hands steve30 a blanket
18:01 <hsn> and hot coffee
44:27 <steve30> I need to go to the shops today
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35:44 <Halcyon> Hey all
38:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: That's the gym for 2020 done and dusted. The look on my face sums up the year. https://t.co/BYfTENC76a
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58:04 <K> hello sasquatches
32:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Jake Hamby: One of the most surprising teardowns I watched this year was @eevblog cracking open an IBM mainframe CPU module from the bipolar era: https://t.co/d6MoBGbiXI Little copper slugs and springs packed in oil? They *really* don’t make ‘em like they used to. MOS changed everything.
38:58 <K> meanwhile - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw&feature=youtu.be
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52:00 <Ysjoelfir> Hey Mr. K :)
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> Mrs. Granny received a postcard and is sooooo happy :D
52:33 <Ysjoelfir> She wanted me to ask if you drew the picture yourself^^
54:19 <K> yes
54:43 <K> i am happy to hear she received it
55:32 <Ysjoelfir> She is indeed very happy :D
55:54 <K> yesterday was thinking to myself "oh my, did i actually do write 'Germany' on those two envelopes?"
56:49 <K> now there is hope that yours arrives too
58:36 <Ysjoelfir> Nah, I'm sure it'll be fine :D
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13:39 <Ampera> good morning
17:47 <damian> sup ampera
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44:07 <hsn> K, and im happy u r happy that she is happy
44:53 <K> wooo!
45:12 <steve30> hi
45:26 <K> stewe
46:48 <Ampera> hi damian how are you
55:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Got an email from an ad agency who wants to "advertise content related to Engineering, data analytics & few other job profiles" for a client. Happy to tell me the budget, but when I ask who the client is, they won't tell me until I sign the IO (Insertion Order) LOL NOPE. BYE. https://t.co/oggdFQZExe
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44:57 <electrohead> o/
45:10 * Ampera attack-hugs electrohead 
46:06 * electrohead counter-hugs Ampera
46:14 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
47:02 <electrohead> not wanting to wake up, lol
47:03 <electrohead> you?
47:16 <Ampera> I've been up since six
47:30 <Ampera> doing some work, was trying to figure out why our test databases are so fucking big at work
47:36 <Ampera> looks like there's a log table that was taking 50MB
47:51 <Ampera> and while 50MB doesn't seem like much, we get chickenshit for hard drives at work for some ungodly reason
47:53 <electrohead> waking up early was never my thing
48:04 <electrohead> how big are the drives?
48:09 <Ampera> too small
48:11 <Ampera> let me check one second
48:55 <Ampera> we have 150GB for all of our backups.
49:40 <electrohead> o.O
49:47 <Ampera> This is for most of QA dealing with our novel software (we have legacy stuff that's tested differently), which is probably like 8 people or so
49:59 <Ampera> all writing tests, all using data, that all needs to go on that one drive
50:03 <Ampera> at least we have 55.9GB free
50:49 <electrohead> damn, lol
51:29 <Ampera> meanwhile my chicken shit scrapped together server has 8+6+.5 TB of storage
51:56 <Ampera> that 8TB taunts me, as it's intended to be backup storage, and I only have a backup for the server its on within it
52:18 <Ampera> I'm also the sort of maniac who uses stripe storage for backups
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