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21:59 <Ysjoelfir> I like my new shirts I got for christmas :) https://www.amazon.de/dp/B004BSW3G6 and that one https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07DC4QKVF - the last one says "I am a man of the north. I fear Odin and my Wife. You are not one of those." :D
25:49 <hsn> Me going to my car: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJQhP63Ft768pCmSniJd0Z3NNbdLGz8Dtr5hko0/?igshid=jx4os9hod0w3
26:30 <hsn> Nice shitt
26:33 <Ysjoelfir> this account is private.
26:37 <hsn> Nice shirt
27:15 <hsn> Wait Ysjoelfir
28:33 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/MQUE42pMSK7YjBXF7
29:01 <hsn> Ysjoelfir
29:46 <Ysjoelfir> lool^^
41:08 <rust_collector> mooorningz people
41:37 <Ysjoelfir> morning peop
42:35 <Ampera> rust_collector, that's so offensive, for you to just assume that I'm a person
42:44 <Ampera> I might not be a person, I might be a chair, or a table
42:53 <Ampera> what's wrong with you
43:32 <rust_collector> Ampera, I was not talking to you
43:40 <Ampera> nice try
43:45 <Ampera> I'm not buying it
43:57 <Ampera> I'll accept it as pawn.
44:05 <Ampera> but I won't purchase it from you
44:25 <rust_collector> prawn
44:28 <rust_collector> hmmm
46:19 <rust_collector> i saw one of the food travel videos last night, and in japan, they make fish and prawns in a heated press, so you get a seafood based piece of paper as a snack.
48:23 <Ampera> are the menus printed on one?
50:04 <rust_collector> I guess they could. but that is probably an american propaganda thing. you know japan is full of culture and restecpa for the old and stuff
12:20 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5-A57z_dU
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13:12 <Ysjoelfir> steve30^, I agree pretty much with what enhanox wrote about your vid :) I like it and watched it full
17:35 <steve30> The coronavirus one or the camcorder one?
18:45 <Ysjoelfir> the covid vaccine one from endcliff park
19:01 <steve30> ah, cool
19:51 <steve30> i quite enjoyed putting together that short intro for it. I think that's the best bit :)
20:04 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, it was pretty neat
44:06 * Ysjoelfir has a warm cat on my foot
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45:08 <steve30> :)
47:24 <Ysjoelfir> cat left :(
47:42 * steve30 pounces onto Ysjoelfir's lap
47:51 * Ysjoelfir pets steve30
55:56 * steve30 watches the cheap smartphone video
56:37 <Ysjoelfir> I like that guy
01:01 <TheDude> hey
07:49 <rust_collector> pom pom pom
09:46 <TheDude> oh, hold on
10:00 <TheDude> I talked about my car troubles in this channel yesterday, right?
11:13 <rust_collector> yep
11:59 <TheDude> okay, gonna paste my monologue into this channel then
12:12 <rust_collector> oh
12:23 <TheDude> <TheDude> tried taking apart the throttle body today
12:23 <TheDude> <TheDude> didn't find out anything
12:24 <TheDude> <TheDude> busted a bunch of knuckles rustling around the tight engine space
12:24 <TheDude> <TheDude> didn't tighten the hose well enough when reassembling the thing
12:24 <TheDude> <TheDude> it popped off the first time I pushed it when I took it for a test drive
12:44 <TheDude> <TheDude> made a loud boof sound and the engine jostled the whole car .d
12:44 <TheDude> <TheDude> anyhow, I tightened that hose clamp and took it for a ride again
12:45 <TheDude> <TheDude> and the error code got cleared
12:45 <TheDude> <TheDude> I imagine it must have been an intermittent fault that only became apparent when it was cold and very humid
12:45 <TheDude> <TheDude> so I'll have to keep an eye on it when we get bad weather again
13:15 <TheDude> this is the kind of thing that could trigger the flood auto-kick, so I intentionally waited a bit before pasting the other half :D
15:21 <rust_collector> nah, you can do a bit of flooding, as the kick is manual here
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16:04 <rust_collector> it could be something stupid like the woosh of air blowing it clean.
17:07 <TheDude> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:25 <TheDude> I don't think it's actually affected by grime in there
17:36 <TheDude> it's likely a magnetic position sensor
20:04 <TheDude> soooo
20:04 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure it is just a pot. the thing is that if the flap does not close to the expected position, the computer will freak out. the engine does not need that part at all, really
20:18 <TheDude> nope
20:28 <TheDude> this is not a car from the 80's lol
20:56 <rust_collector> eeh, well...
21:37 <TheDude> potentiometers have not been used as position sensors for actuators in many years
21:43 <TheDude> nobody wants that unreliable shit
22:14 <rust_collector> ok
22:36 <TheDude> okay, sorry, that was a rather rude
22:50 <TheDude> but no, I'm absolutely sure it's not a potentiometer
25:02 <rust_collector> ok then. but no matter what kind of thing it is. if it does not go to the expected position, the result is the same. the computer will freak out. because this is part of the emissions crap.
26:19 <TheDude> on one side there's a motor
26:28 <TheDude> that controls the butterfly valve
26:46 <TheDude> on the other is this position sensor, that I believe to be the culprit for my problems
26:59 <electrohead> o/
27:04 <rust_collector> right
27:04 <TheDude> the sensor is needed to give feedback to the ECU that's driving that motor
27:11 <rust_collector> yep
27:33 <TheDude> so if for example it's not giving it the correct position, the motor is likely going to be moved to one of the extremes
27:51 <TheDude> either fully opening or completely choking the engine
27:56 <rust_collector> yup
28:06 <TheDude> from what I've experienced, I'd say it was doing the latter
29:37 <TheDude> the valve looked reasonably clean, so I doubt the problem would be the motor struggling to put it into position
30:23 <arch> TheDude, im going to see how this performs (page 32 https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slyt118/slyt118.pdf )
30:39 <arch> figure 7
30:51 <arch> cept, im using a 1:1 coupled inductor
31:28 <TheDude> neat
31:46 <arch> on copperclad oc. i have DRAQ127 inductors
31:48 <TheDude> bear in mind that the 3.3V line is the one that is being regulated
32:00 <arch> right
32:09 <TheDude> and the 5V line will be kinda sorta there, but not completely stable
32:37 <arch> well, they say in that appnote that it would be just fine for low currents, so i'd like to see that in action for myself :D
32:48 * Ampera hugs TheDude 
32:52 <Ampera> how do
33:21 <TheDude> quite alright
33:37 <arch> it's basically a fly-buck conv, i've made one of these before, but not with synch rectification, and i used a 1:8 coupled inductor; was getting some major ringing and hv spikes cuz i built it on perfboard
33:58 <TheDude> yeah, perfboard is not great for these sorts of experiments
34:09 <TheDude> copper clad with lines sliced into it would be better
34:24 <arch> lines sliced? what do you mean?
34:30 <TheDude> hold on
34:56 <TheDude> https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SMD-proto-800.png
35:01 <TheDude> circuits that look like this
35:21 <TheDude> you can deadbug the ICs on there
35:24 <arch> yeah, i just etch em
35:31 <TheDude> that's even better, ofc :P
36:01 <arch> 0.5mm clearance and you're golden, with etching
36:13 <arch> i've tried 0.3mm clearance and i have to scrape off sometimes
36:22 <arch> 0.5mm works 99% of the time
37:06 <TheDude> I've had pretty reliable results with 0.2mm clearance and traces
37:24 <arch> with standard copy paper? cuz i use standard hammermill copy paper
37:28 <TheDude> what do you use to get the design onto the board?
37:39 <TheDude> toner transfer, i gather?
37:47 <arch> clothes iron, sometimes my amazonbasics laminator
37:51 <arch> yea
37:54 <arch> toner transfer
38:02 <TheDude> I bought a cheap office laminator
38:14 <TheDude> opened it up and replaced the thermostat for a higher temperature one
38:21 <arch> i need to replace the shitty 125C thermostats inside with 150C ones
38:25 <TheDude> also drilled a bunch of holes in the case to get more airflow :D
38:37 <arch> right, i need to do that to my laminator too
38:42 <TheDude> you know... to avoid having the house burn down .d
38:45 <arch> i mean, it works right now, but suboptimally
38:53 <TheDude> anyhow, I got really good results
38:56 * electrohead laminates arch
39:08 <electrohead> TheDude: how's the adventures coming along with linux?
39:20 <TheDude> I used a samsung B/W laser printer
39:30 <arch> TheDude, https://moltensolderlabs.com/assets/projects/laminator_toner_transfer/555_timer_relay_controller.pdf
39:30 <TheDude> I found that the toner that they use is rather good for toner transfer
39:38 <arch> https://moltensolderlabs.com/projects/laminator_toner_transfer
40:11 <TheDude> okay, second question
40:14 <arch> i use generic toner transfer ink in my brother laser printer
40:17 <TheDude> what do you etch your boards with?
40:17 <arch> works great
40:43 <arch> ferric chloride, although, i do have a separate bath with a mix of rejuvenated fecl + hcl + cucl2
40:56 <TheDude> electrohead, right now I'm working on getting SSH to work on my windows machines
41:02 <TheDude> to make the remote desktop connection more secure
41:18 <TheDude> I'll get back to that shortly, if you'll still be around
41:37 <Ampera> huh, so my EVGA X10's middle mouse button stopped working, so I swapped it out with a mouse I had on my DAW, which is actually a rather nice mouse
41:49 <electrohead> I should be
41:51 <Ampera> but it's old, has low DPI, and is quite slow across my screen
41:59 <TheDude> I used to use hcl + h2o2 for my etching
42:00 <Ampera> so I wondered if I could see what the manufacturer had these days
42:02 <TheDude> with water, ofc
42:08 <Ampera> well it's a Labtec mouse and Labtec went under in 2001
42:13 <TheDude> and I kept the old etching liquid after use
42:23 <TheDude> so there was cucl2 in there as well
42:28 <Ampera> this mouse is older than I am
42:29 <arch> i keep the used liquid in a pyrex 1L erlenmyer flask
42:42 <TheDude> only added a splash of fresh hcl or h2o2 if the etching felt slow
43:09 <TheDude> I kept it in an old h2o2 bottle with the pressure release valve on top
43:12 <arch> i air it out every so often so the excess hcl converts the fecl2 to fecl3
43:23 <Ampera> that being said, anyone have any suggestions for mice that aren't Logitech?
43:29 <Ampera> wired
43:56 <TheDude> I kinda plan on buying a mx master 3 when the current mouse on the desktop is kill
44:08 <TheDude> so no suggestions on my side, sorry :D
45:18 <Ampera> let'
45:24 <Ampera> s see what corsair has
45:57 <TheDude> electrohead, ever set up an SSH server on winblows?
46:04 <TheDude> or anyone else in here, really
46:05 <rust_collector> they have weird screw inweights, and rgb crap everywhere
46:47 <Ampera> TheDude, it works the exact same way it does on Linux more or less
46:54 <Ampera> what do you need
47:13 <TheDude> I'm struggling to get the ECDSA keys to work on that thing
47:23 <TheDude> I disabled password login, to make it more secure
47:24 <Ampera> don't use ECDSA
47:26 <Ampera> use ed25519
47:29 <TheDude> err
47:40 <TheDude> yes, it's actually the latter
48:03 <electrohead> what are you struggling with?
48:06 <TheDude> okay, the keys seem to be screwing around
48:14 <Ampera> you need to make a .ssh directory in your home directory, and then append your public key to a file named authorized_keys
48:25 <TheDude> hold on
48:46 <electrohead> just don't disable password auth until after you have the keys working properly
48:53 <Ampera> ensure that the directory is read/write for you, and no permissions for everyone else, including all files
49:07 <electrohead> regardless if password auth is on or off, if there is a proper public/private key, it will use that first
49:29 <electrohead> and use ssh-copy-id
49:34 <Ampera> do the same on the client machine, except put id_ed25519 into the .ssh directory
49:34 <electrohead> makes life easy, lol
49:43 <TheDude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j4b5lujodnp4bqd/Screenshot%202020-12-26%2017.48.49.png?raw=1
49:46 <Ampera> I've never once used ssh-copy-id
49:54 <TheDude> this is how the ssh directory looks for the windows server
49:55 <electrohead> Ampera: never?
49:56 <Ampera> TheDude, wrong folder
49:59 <TheDude> it's not .ssh, just ssh
49:59 <Ampera> electrohead, never
50:13 <electrohead> lol
50:23 <TheDude> the sshd_config is in here
50:24 <Ampera> TheDude, you want to make a .ssh directory in your home directory on Windows
50:31 <Ampera> the keys do NOT go into that directory
50:36 <Ampera> those are your host keys
50:45 <TheDude> yes, this is the host computer
50:58 <Ampera> the host keys are something different, they're used for encryption, not authentication
51:23 <Ampera> even on the host computer, your public key will go into C:/Users/YourUser/.ssh
51:28 <TheDude> I thought they were used for both
51:31 <Ampera> no
51:40 <TheDude> d'oh
51:45 <Ampera> that's why you can have a securely encrypted SSH session even with just passwords
52:07 <Ampera> the keys you want are purely for authentication, the actual keys used for encryption are exchanged using a special algorithm
52:16 <TheDude> okay, but the authentication keys are just to stop the attacker from attempting to bruteforce the pw, right?
52:22 <Ampera> yes
52:30 <Ampera> keys are harder to brute force than passwords
52:40 <TheDude> right, more bits of entropy
52:49 <Ampera> if you also password protect your keys, it provides two factors of authentication
52:58 <Ampera> (sort of)
53:08 <TheDude> alright
53:16 <Ampera> you can also force both password and key auth as well, which is more like a proper two factor
53:25 <Ampera> but just password protected keys are usually fine
53:41 <TheDude> so I wasn't setting any encryption then, just the authentication keys
53:45 <T3sl4> buh
53:49 <Ampera> yes, the encryption you don't need to worry about
53:52 <Ampera> that's fine already
54:01 <T3sl4> berry muhsmas
54:04 <TheDude> do they go in the .ssh folder then?
54:25 <Ampera> yes, when you generated your keys you'll have made an id_ed25519.pub and an id_ed25519 file
54:27 <TheDude> hey T3sl4
54:38 <T3sl4> sup Dude
54:44 <TheDude> okay, yes, I have that key pair
54:47 <Ampera> create a .ssh folder in your home directory on the host computer, put id_ed25519.pub inside of it, and rename the file to authorized_keys
55:10 <Ampera> then on the client computer, create an identical .ssh folder, except put the id_ed25519 file in there
55:11 <TheDude> okay, hold on
55:41 <Ampera> once that's done, on both computers, make sure you own the folders .ssh and ensure the folders are read/write for you, and no permissions for everyone else
55:53 <Ampera> same for the contents of the folders
56:24 <electrohead> do you take the hard way for everything? hahaha; ssh-copy-id is made for this purpose, I though
56:29 <electrohead> thought*
56:34 <Ampera> what's the hard way though
56:58 <Ampera> I literally NEVER have password auth on my SSH servers, and am not already connected when I need to use a new PC
57:14 <Ampera> so there's absolutely zero way for me to use ssh-copy-id at all
57:27 <electrohead> nevermind
57:49 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
57:50 <TheDude> ssh-copy-id doesn't seem to be present on my system
57:56 <Ampera> TheDude, don't bother with it
58:00 <TheDude> are you sure this stuff is available on windows' openssh?
58:09 <Ampera> if you already have an ssh connection you can just use SFTP to get the file
58:10 <TheDude> okay, I'll just copy manually
58:15 <Ampera> or do that
58:19 <Ampera> which is what I usually do
58:38 <rust_collector> ok, I have to go. have a good new years thing.
58:40 <TheDude> I currently still ahve the RDP port open on the router
58:44 * Ysjoelfir is going through the box of way to many presents he got.
58:54 Quit: rust_collector ([email protected]) Quit: quit
59:05 <TheDude> so I'm just doing everything with RDP directly until I'm 100% sure that the SSH tunneling is bulletproof
59:05 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, on your way to the north? Or just doing that.... family thing till new year?
59:27 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I'm still waiting in the presents to myself, thanks to holiday shipping delays :D
59:35 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, there's still a pile of presents on the top of the stairs my dad got me I've refused to open
59:40 <TheDude> so inside .ssh, i rename the xxx.pub to authorized_keys, yes?
59:49 <Ampera> christmas this year was fucking depressing
59:55 <Ampera> TheDude, yes
00:04 <Ampera> this is on the host computer
00:10 <TheDude> yup
00:44 <TheDude> okay, so in terms of permissions
01:06 <TheDude> I now have SYSTEM, the target user and administrators listed
01:14 <Ampera> I have no clue how Windows permissions really work, but essentially you want full permissions for your user, and zero permissions for everyone else
01:15 <TheDude> which do I need to knock out?
01:24 <Ampera> the equivalent under POSIX would be 600 for files and 700 for folders
01:43 <TheDude> okay, I'll just do a quick google search for this
05:48 <TheDude> Ampera, \o/
05:52 <TheDude> it works!
06:00 <Ampera> sweet
06:06 <electrohead> \o/
06:10 <TheDude> thank you so much :))
06:14 <Ampera> np
06:24 <TheDude> I've been beating my head over this yesterday for so long
06:40 <TheDude> but I've been putting stuff in the wrong folder the entire time
06:43 <electrohead> so, just permissions issues, then?
06:46 <electrohead> oh oh
06:48 <electrohead> heh
06:49 <TheDude> no
06:55 <TheDude> wrong damn folder lol
06:58 <electrohead> yeah, that'll do it, lol
07:11 <TheDude> I've been shoving the keys into the programdata ssh folder
07:40 <TheDude> was completely oblivious to the fact that authorization and encryption keys are two different things
07:46 <electrohead> what's the full path to the windows version of the local user ssh directory, then?
08:08 <TheDude> C:\Users\<me>\.ssh
08:13 <electrohead> ok cool
08:23 <electrohead> I haven't touched windows in quite a long time, so... thank you for that
08:32 <TheDude> thank Ampera :D
08:54 <Ampera> It's the same as it is under Linux really
09:03 <TheDude> there's another thing that I want to fix before I lock the RDP port
09:04 <Ampera> except instead of /Users it's /home
09:05 <electrohead> I was thinking it would be, too
09:14 <electrohead> so, thanks for getting that sorted haha
09:25 <Ampera> I've sort of done this before actually
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09:39 <TheDude> when the host was refusing my connection, it said that there are two auth methods
09:44 <Ampera> I've never set up sshd on Windows, but that's near identical to how it works on Linux
09:50 <Ampera> yeah, so one sec, TheDude
09:57 <Ampera> there are two settings you'll want to change in sshd_config
10:00 <TheDude> one was publickey, the other was keybord-interactive or something like that
10:03 <Ampera> let me grab mine and tell you which ones those are
10:10 <TheDude> any idea where I might disable the latter in sshd_config?
10:25 * arch puts a centipede down T3sl4's pants
10:28 <electrohead> disable root login, for sure
10:40 <Ampera> TheDude, you want to set PasswordAuthentication and ChallengeResponseAuthentication to no
10:44 * T3sl4 's snake makes friends with it
10:51 <Ampera> ctrl+f it in your sshd_config
10:58 <TheDude> okay, password auth is already disabled now
11:05 <TheDude> let me find the challenge response
11:15 <Ampera> you may also want to make the port something other than 22, just as it makes it slightly less easy for someone to come over and try to brute force your server
11:24 <TheDude> yeah, already did that
11:33 <Ampera> if you have a setting called "PermitRootLogin" set that to no as well
11:44 <Ampera> otherwise don't bother as it doesn't apply to you
12:14 <TheDude> https://pastebin.com/HkcsvEK0
12:25 <TheDude> this is the current config of my sshd file
12:29 <Ampera> it's not often a great idea to share your sshd_config, just saying
12:42 <Ampera> you want #Port 22 to be Port <number>
12:45 <Ampera> on line 9
12:55 <TheDude> I have port redirection set up in the router
13:01 <Ampera> close enough then
13:11 <Ampera> uncomment line 29 and set it to no
13:42 <TheDude> question
13:45 <Ampera> Looks like challenge response might not be in there
13:58 <TheDude> since the user I'm connecting to is the administrator
14:01 <Ampera> so, just try to login using a password, like on some other computer or something
14:20 <TheDude> will that affect my ability to connect to it then?
14:28 <Ampera> is the user "Administrator"
14:29 <TheDude> the password gets rejected already
14:38 <TheDude> no, the user is <name>
14:43 <Ampera> then probably not
14:48 <TheDude> okay
14:51 <Ampera> but set the value, and try the final config just to be sure
14:56 <TheDude> speaking of which
15:14 <TheDude> I disabled strict modes yesterday as I was attempting to resolve the problem with the keys
15:24 <TheDude> because someone suggested that somewhere
15:34 <TheDude> I should probably re-enable that, huh?
16:05 <Ampera> TheDude, yeah so re-enable that, and make sure your permissions still work
16:20 <Ampera> that's actually the setting why you'd normally want to fix your permissions
16:37 <TheDude> okay, I see
16:52 <TheDude> well, let's try to restart the ssh server and reconnect
19:57 <TheDude> okay, something isn't working
20:26 <TheDude> need to figure out if this strict modes is the culprit
20:36 <Ampera> if it is, then double check all your permissions
22:27 <TheDude> something else must be screwing things up
22:43 <TheDude> I'll pop back when I find out more
24:57 <TheDude> nope, it works fine
25:02 <TheDude> I was just being a dunce
25:10 <electrohead> lol
25:16 <TheDude> and doing the <name>@<hostname>:port
25:24 <TheDude> when the port should be specified as -p
25:47 <Ampera> they make some fucking disgusting abominations of mice
25:48 <TheDude> okay, it seems to work just fine now
25:55 <TheDude> that, they do
26:11 <Ampera> https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16826501021
26:14 <Ampera> what even is this
26:28 <electrohead> Ampera: lmfao
26:30 <electrohead> hahahaha
26:32 <Ampera> I can't even tell where it starts or where it ends
26:43 <TheDude> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kotaku.com.au%2F2019%2F07%2Fthe-secret-to-the-worlds-lightest-gaming-mouse-is-lots-of-holes%2F&psig=AOvVaw1nQrCITm7DJt8KYdcMZmq9&ust=1609089973976000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCOia_rSV7O0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
26:46 <TheDude> oh ffs
27:02 <TheDude> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/gnzezdmjazsituy3x214.jpg
27:15 <TheDude> imagine the grime accumulating in there
27:22 <TheDude> reeee
27:23 <Ysjoelfir> your mouse is broken
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> there are holes in it
27:46 <Ampera> TheDude, yeah I saw stuff like that and I do not want to deal with it
27:53 <Ampera> I just want a good, but normal mouse
28:05 <Ampera> it needs adjustable DPI, and a middle mouse button that won't break
28:59 <TheDude> also it would be nice if it didn't come with a shitty driver software package that puts an icon in your taskbar
29:04 <Ampera> and I really don't want to buy from Logitech
29:10 <Ampera> but sadly they might be one of my few options :/
30:23 <TheDude> okay, I think I'm now confident enough to lock the RDP port
30:54 <Ampera> https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16826618095
30:58 <Ampera> how do you even fucking hold that
31:20 <TheDude> very carefully :D
31:32 <TheDude> and hope that it doesn't turn on you and bite
31:46 <TheDude> or, you know, pinch you inbetween those weird plastic bits
32:16 <TheDude> 8200 dpi
32:19 <TheDude> lol, what a meme
32:41 <TheDude> anything beyond 2000 dpi is absolutely useless
33:21 <Ampera> I don't give a shit about the DPI I just want it adjustable
33:48 <TheDude> yeah, but that's not a particularly fancy feature
33:58 <TheDude> most mice should be able to do that these days
34:03 <Ampera> I can't find a laser mouse that does it
34:06 <Ampera> that looks fucking normal
34:09 <TheDude> oh
34:09 <Ampera> and isn't made by logitech
34:16 <TheDude> yeah, the latter is tricky
34:31 <TheDude> any particular reason you want to avoid them?
35:27 <Ampera> Because whenever I see the name Logitech I get fucking pissed
35:42 <Ampera> I was "gifted" a G930 headset that was the only means I could have audio on my computer for a few years
36:07 <Ampera> it is not hyperbole to say that it was the only piece of hardware that genuinely made me consider suicide because it was so broken and I had nothing else to use
40:40 <TheDude> I had the predecessor of that g930
40:46 <TheDude> the one that was only wired
40:52 <Ampera> wired would have been fine
40:59 <TheDude> the voice changer was kinda fun
41:04 <Ampera> the problem with the G930 is it would disconnect every couple minutes
41:07 <TheDude> the rest was mostly shit
41:08 <Ampera> with an audible beep
41:10 <Ampera> over and over and over again
41:11 <Ampera> nonstop
41:11 <TheDude> oh god
41:16 <Ampera> forever
41:25 <Ampera> sometimes it wouldn't do it, and sometimes it would
41:30 <TheDude> the problem I had with that headset was that it squeezed the head way too much
41:33 <Ampera> it doesn't matter if it was plugged in or not
41:37 <TheDude> so after a couple of hours of playing games
41:47 <TheDude> my head/ears were hurting so bad
42:04 <Ampera> I absolutely love my new headphones
42:08 <Ampera> they are the best wireless headphones ever made
43:22 <Ampera> it takes me a bit of effort to restrain myself from buying pink peripherals, as I really like the color pink, but I know it'd be fucking weird
43:56 <TheDude> for desktop use I have audio technica ath-m50x
44:08 <TheDude> and for using at work, i recently bought razer opus
44:18 <Ampera> https://en-us.sennheiser.com/wireless-headphones-home-audio-rs-175
44:20 <Ampera> I have these
44:22 <TheDude> the latter were only bought because they're surprisingly non-rgb or shit
44:26 <Ampera> they are 10/10
44:46 <TheDude> dinner time, I'll be back
54:58 <electrohead> Ampera: some time ago, I got a cyborg rat 5 or 7, can't remember which one exactly
55:01 <electrohead> but, it was a good mouse
55:06 <electrohead> sure, the price was a bit up there
56:20 <Ampera> electrohead, with a name like cyborg rat I can only imagine it's conservatively designed and comfortable to hold
56:37 <Ampera> I just want something that doesn't look stupid
58:20 <electrohead> https://techreport.com/review/19754/cyborgs-rat-7-adjustable-gaming-mouse/
58:24 <electrohead> ahh, yeah, the rat 7
58:31 <electrohead> I ended up giving that to my brother
58:39 <electrohead> but at the time, yeah it was a nice mouse
59:00 <electrohead> could adjust it to fit your hand, which was nice, as I have larger hands
59:56 <Ampera> oh god it looks like an abortion gone wrong
01:09 <Ampera> fuck it, I'll get something logitech
01:18 <Ampera> their headsets might have been torture, but their mice are probably fine enough
02:47 <Ampera> nope on that front too
02:50 <Ampera> not even they have something normal
05:40 <electrohead> lol
08:32 <TheDude> alright, the gaping port got closed :)
11:06 <arch> gaming mouse...yet another useless device that scumbag marketing dumbfucks came up with to sell to gullible people
11:52 <arch> the most amount of money i ever spent on a mouse was $20
12:36 <Ampera> I don't mind spending money on a good mouse that won't break and does what I want
12:44 <Ampera> but I can't even find a mouse that does that
13:47 <arch> what are you doing that you destroy mice on a regular basis? are you smashing it against the wall from raging in games?
14:01 <Ampera> no, I am having the audacity to use my middle mouse button
14:26 <Ampera> the mouse I have works fine, except the tact switch for the middle mouse buttons is dead
14:33 <arch> been doing that wiht my logitech m705 for ages
15:23 <Ampera> I'm not buying shit from Logitech if I can help it
15:37 <Ampera> I want a laser mouse, as they have much nicer tracking than optical mice I've used
15:48 <Ampera> and it needs adjustable DPI
17:08 <arch> go make one yourself instead of complaining, you bum
17:30 <Ampera> arch, don't make the op mad triggered, bro
18:12 <arch> http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.11907026.4950/flat,800x800,075,f.jpg
18:37 <Ampera> is that mike tyson?
18:53 <Ampera> the guy who made the chicken company
20:00 <arch> no, it's martin luther king
20:13 <Ampera> ah, the guy who started the protestant reformation
20:35 <K> y'all beheave or i'll sic Yule cat on ya!
20:38 <arch> yeah, by pasting futa hentai
20:55 <Ampera> if you say those words again I will actually eat your entire ass with a knife and fork
21:09 <arch> should i call you mista
21:29 <Ampera> I'll get mad if you dew
21:34 <arch> :3
23:39 <Ampera> some of these mice actually have straight up keypads on them
23:41 <Ampera> why
23:49 <Ampera> it's a mouse not a fucking phone
24:48 <arch> so people can search for tranny porn and fap with one hand
25:30 <Ampera> arch, they don't make numbers big enough to say how many things are wrong with you, my friend.
26:01 * arch makes sad beep
27:10 <Ampera> ah, you meant transistor porn
27:11 <Ampera> gotcha
27:16 <arch> speaking of one handed: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R1VWVX5UW2CZ0W
27:32 <arch> never fails to make me giggle
28:15 <K> i've been using logitech g402 for last, um, 5 years?
28:26 <K> changed feet twice, otherwise is comletely fine
28:42 <Ampera> yes, but I have a vendetta against logitech
28:58 <Ampera> it's not about the mouse, I genuinely hate them as a company for making complete shit and never fixing it
29:19 <K> stick it to the man!
29:30 <Ampera> K, hot
36:26 <K> u callin me a thot?
43:25 <arch> thot is too oldschool. new word on the street is "simp"
48:53 <K> oh.
18:55 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Connection closed
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37:25 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
46:06 <Halcyon> Morning
50:22 <Ysjoelfir> mornings Halcyon
51:39 <electrohead> o/
20:43 <DogWomble> goat moaning ;)
32:46 * Halcyon bleats
39:48 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon an empty soup can
41:01 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, are you online this evening in your time? I might need your help or an inspiration from someone of your profession, but right now its 0:40 here and I am very tired, so I'll go to bed
50:14 <electrohead> facebook is officially blocked on my network
50:17 <electrohead> heh
56:39 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, yep
56:41 <Halcyon> I'll be around
56:46 <Ampera> electrohead what's the point of that
56:50 <Halcyon> Otherwise just message me on Signal/Whatsapp
56:51 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
56:55 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
56:55 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
56:55 <Halcyon> :)
57:00 <Ysjoelfir> ok :) gn8
57:07 <Ampera> hi Halcyon, how are you
57:14 <Halcyon> I'm OK, how are you?
57:21 <Ampera> just woke up I guess
57:28 <Halcyon> I'm procrastinating, I need to mow the lawns
57:30 <electrohead> Ampera: because I don't use it, plus I was messing around with pfBlockerNG, and decided just to permanently block facebook :p
57:47 <Halcyon> Yeh, fuck FacebooK! :P
58:23 <Ampera> electrohead, I've never found myself so drawn to facebook that I had to block it off my network in order to keep myself from using it
58:27 <Ampera> but whatever it takes I guess
58:31 <Halcyon> *sigh* Anyway better get the lawns done before it starts raining again
58:31 <electrohead> I imported the whole IP range via the AS number, blocked that, then blocked the facebook domains
58:32 <Halcyon> Back soon
58:50 * electrohead tries to help Halcyon
58:57 <K> are you blocking for whole AS ip range?
59:02 <electrohead> Ampera: I don't use facebook at all, don't have an account
59:12 <Ampera> then why are you so concerned about blocking it :P
59:15 <Ampera> just don't use it
59:23 <electrohead> something to do :p
59:56 <Ampera> the knife game is something to do, that doesn't mean I go and do it :P
01:23 <electrohead> shhh, lol
46:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, did you mow the lawn yet or are you still face deep into it
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15:12 <Halcyon> Just finished
15:15 <Halcyon> I'm pooped
17:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, have time for a call?
18:13 <Halcyon> Yep
18:18 <Halcyon> Discord?
18:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, give me a few minutes and I'll either use Signal or the PSTN
18:44 <Halcyon> Okies
18:44 <Ampera> whichever one you want
19:35 <Halcyon> I'm about to duck out to the shop so I can call you on Signal from the car?
19:53 <Ampera> sure
21:09 <Halcyon> Give me 5, just need to do my hair and get shoes on
30:43 * electrohead shaves Halcyon's head and bounces light off of it
33:33 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
34:03 <electrohead> shh, he's here
34:14 <Nothing\> happy boxing day!
34:55 <Nothing\> lol i'm making another apple crisp
35:01 <Nothing\> how you doing electrohead?
36:04 <Nothing\> i need something to settle my nerves. I've been trying to 100% Mega Man X2 for the first time ever and i've come to the hardest looking part of it all
37:31 <electrohead> I'm doing
37:42 * electrohead eats it on you
38:04 <Nothing\> i'd always try to 100% X1 and X2 so i could get the hadouken and shoryuken powerups respectively, but I'd always end up missing a meart tank or twwo and cuz it was before the internet, I didn't know whether I was missing something or just doing the sequence of events of get the powerful wrong
38:17 <Nothing\> electrohead, kinky
38:26 <Nothing\> you know what i like
39:20 <electrohead> lol
39:34 <Nothing\> holy crap
39:48 <Nothing\> $23 for a 128gb micro SD card
39:55 <Nothing\> gotta love boxing day sales
40:33 <Nothing\> only 80MB/s transfer speeds but still
41:54 <Nothing\> $42 for 256gb
41:58 <Nothing\> seems iffy
42:07 <Nothing\> but it IS sandisk
44:29 <Nothing\> dang that hurt
44:44 <Nothing\> finger touched the oven rack when i was putting the apple crisp in
45:22 <Nothing\> no burns that i can see, though. So... SUPER!
14:31 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
19:26 <Halcyon> Thinking about buying a new phone
19:41 <Ampera> Sorry Halcyon about not answering
19:41 <Halcyon> I just cracked the corner of my screen on my Galaxy S8 so fuck it
19:44 <Ampera> signal never rang my phone
19:50 <Halcyon> That's OK, I hate you too Ampera
19:59 <Ampera> Halcyon, wait for the 1+9 to come out, is my suggestion
20:09 <Ampera> if you need something now, the 8T is a decent option from what I hear
20:09 <Halcyon> Don't want a Chinese phone
20:52 <Ampera> what's ironic is that you can root a 1+8, and you can't change the software stack at all on a Samsung phone, at least in the US
20:57 <Halcyon> Actually leaning towards a Motorola
21:03 <Halcyon> For the price, the specs are great
21:07 <Ampera> Which one
21:26 <Halcyon> Have no interest in rooting the phone at all, the Samsungs have been fine in the past, you can remove the "unremovable" apps via ADB
21:40 <Halcyon> Moto G 5G Plus
22:03 <Ampera> my point is more that your, presumably, security woes are silly when you consider you can replace the software on a oneplus phone and can't on a Samsung phone
22:29 <Halcyon> Rooted phones are easy to break into than stock ones (in my experience)
22:32 <Halcyon> *easier
22:43 <Halcyon> But it depends on the phone. Samsungs are secure with strong passwords
23:00 <Ampera> Halcyon, how much is that motorola
23:04 <Halcyon> AUD$500
23:41 <Ampera> not too terrible I suppose
23:45 <Halcyon> Connectivity and battery life are the most important things for me
24:01 <Halcyon> I don't care about the latest high res displays or super fast GPUs
24:08 <Ampera> What's pissing me off about my phone right now is I swear Android disconnects wlan while the phone is sleeping
24:20 <Ampera> that being the reason why my phone never rang
24:30 <Halcyon> Probably is, but from memory I think there is a developer option to disable that?
24:33 <Ampera> nope
24:35 <Ampera> they removed it
24:37 <Halcyon> Or you can prevent Signal from sleeping
24:54 <Ampera> that's not the problem
25:14 <Ampera> it's looking like it doesn't turn off wlan, meaning the issue is with Signal just not working right
25:25 <Ampera> it's insane how many android apps have completely terrible notification support
25:36 <Ampera> especially Discord, I absolutely /never/ get Discord notifications
26:04 <Halcyon> I can't say I've ever had issues with Signal
26:24 <Ampera> call me on signal right now and we'll see if it rings
26:59 <Halcyon> But under Device Care > Battery > Signal > Put app to sleep, that's disabled for me
27:27 <Ampera> nope, didn't ring
27:32 <electrohead> I was able to disable battery saving options for WLAN on my phone, then again, it's the nexus 5x, and with an aftermarket ROM, with lots of tweaks
27:39 <Ampera> though that might be because I have it on do not disturb, but that's only supposed to silence notifications, not ringing
27:55 <Halcyon> I would have thought DND stops ringing too
28:04 <Halcyon> Traditionally that's what that feature does
28:07 <Ampera> nope
28:15 <Ampera> if I called myself over PSTN my phone will ring
28:26 <Halcyon> Call me, I've just enabled it.
28:37 <Ampera> PSTN or Signal
28:42 <Halcyon> Signal
29:43 <Halcyon> Yeh so with DND on, Signal doesn't ring or notify at all, but if I manually open the app, I can see a call
29:44 <Ampera> didn't pick up
29:53 <Ampera> now let me try doing it over PSTN
29:59 <Ampera> put your phone on DND and put it to sleep
30:08 <Ampera> ready?
30:09 <Halcyon> Which is how I would expect DND to work
30:10 <Halcyon> Done
30:40 <Halcyon> So I can see the call, but no sound
30:46 <Halcyon> It's like having the phone on silent
30:50 <Ampera> it will ring for me
31:08 <Ampera> but we have different phones and different versions of Android
31:30 <Halcyon> Are you able to set Signal as an exception to DND?
31:30 <Ampera> the problem is I want calls, but no notification sounds
31:53 <Ampera> ah, apparently by default on my phone calls are set to excepted
32:19 <Halcyon> BRB, bathroom
32:20 <Ampera> alright, call me on signal
32:24 <Ampera> when you're done pissing yourself
32:25 <Halcyon> Okies
33:03 <Halcyon> Hold on, it said network failed.
33:08 <Halcyon> My 4G reception here sucks
33:11 <Halcyon> I got to Wifi
33:26 <Ampera> nanocells, they're awesome
33:43 <Halcyon> It's ringing
33:53 <Halcyon> Nanocells are expensive, not worth it
34:07 <Ampera> mine was free
34:22 <Ampera> T-Mobile gives them to you if you ask for one
34:37 <Ampera> yeah it didn't ring
34:40 <Halcyon> Yeh they don't here
34:44 <Ampera> now let me try turning DND off and try again
34:56 <Ampera> try now
40:22 <Halcyon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648911415708483597/792423074422718474/EqK22-zU0AEtP1M.png
41:00 <electrohead> lol
50:18 <Nothing\> oh sure, now you guys start talking. Now that I'm about to dig into a delicious delicious apple crisp
51:32 * electrohead :: Kraftwerk - Pocket Calculator
52:05 <Nothing\> oh well, i'll be back once i've devoured this 300g or so piece
52:17 <Nothing\> rough 2/3lb
52:24 <electrohead> hell yeah
52:27 <electrohead> that's how you do it :p
05:12 <Halcyon> Back
05:15 <Halcyon> I did poopies
09:24 <electrohead> nice
09:26 <electrohead> lol
11:07 <Halcyon> :P
11:15 <electrohead> :p
11:25 * electrohead drinks a guiness for you
11:52 <electrohead> Halcyon: hey, have you ever used pfBlockerNG before? (or, currently?)
12:23 <Halcyon> I use it on pfsense yet
12:30 <Halcyon> *yes
12:58 <electrohead> have you ever had issues where the firewall rules didn't show the pfblockerng rules?
13:39 <electrohead> have a friend that's in the process of trying to get it to work, it shows that it's blocking data/packets, yet the rules aren't visible within the actual firewall rules
13:59 <Halcyon> Which rule is causing the blocks?
15:39 <electrohead> well, the block(s) are performing as normal
15:58 <electrohead> but, when he views the firewall rules, there are no entries from pfBlocker
16:01 <electrohead> which, is weird
16:08 <Halcyon> No there won't be
16:09 <electrohead> I can't replicate it
16:15 <Halcyon> Because pfblocker blocks DNS
16:35 <Ampera> lol
17:09 <Ampera> friend of mine in the area is trying to help my brother fix his computer
17:12 <Ampera> he says the following:
17:14 <Ampera> He's been having trouble with his computer, so he thought adding more RAM would solve it.
17:15 <Halcyon> So your firewall and pfblocker are two different layers
17:16 <electrohead> (we're) currently utilizing DNSBL feeds
17:19 <Ampera> We got new RAM, and when we added them, the computer started not powering on.
17:22 <Ampera> Trying to fix that...we bent the pins on the CPU.
17:32 <Halcyon> Brilliant Ampera
17:35 <Halcyon> electrohead, yes, same
17:56 <electrohead> yes, I know different layers
17:59 <electrohead> :p
18:11 <Halcyon> So, I don't quite get what you mean then?
18:21 <Halcyon> pfblocker rules won't be in the firewall rules
19:38 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2020-12-26-221903_1600x900_scrot.png
19:52 <electrohead> so, that's a screenshot from my WAN rules
20:16 <electrohead> you're saying that's not supposed to happen, when there is an option for that, within the DNSBL settings?
20:19 <electrohead> (lol)
20:57 <Halcyon> Yeh I dunno? My WAN rules have nothing to do with pfblocker in there
21:17 <electrohead> ok, nevermind, it's cool :p
21:35 <Ampera> pfsense is for losers
22:59 <Halcyon> You know they use pfsense in large enterprises too?
23:26 <electrohead> Halcyon: he always attacks us pfsense users :p
23:38 <Halcyon> He attacks anything he doesn't understand :P
23:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, what's the deal with pfSense not having any updates for almost half a year
23:55 <electrohead> Ampera: there's a dev branch
24:08 <Halcyon> Why the hell would you want on-going feature updates for your core firewall? It sounds like a terrible idea. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
24:10 <electrohead> so, maybe it's not as stable as what the devs want?
24:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, security updates you dingus
24:34 <Halcyon> If there are security updates to be had, they roll them out
24:36 <electrohead> I just checked for package updates today, and there were five of them, since the last time I checked
24:55 <Ampera> FreeBSD has droves of security advisories for much of the same software included in pfSense, including the kernel
25:00 <Halcyon> There have been two major updates this year
25:05 <Halcyon> So not sure what you're talking about Ampera
25:16 <Ampera> The last update of any sort was in june
25:25 <Halcyon> Yup
25:27 <Ampera> there's been tons of things discovered since then
25:37 <Ampera> even in just the FreeBSD kernel alone
25:41 <Halcyon> Perhaps so but do they impact naything in pfSense? Probably not?
25:48 <Ampera> Yes, they're security vulnerabilities
26:06 <electrohead> at the kernel level, correct?
26:11 <Halcyon> And again, coming from a network admin point of view, you don't want to be updating your core routers and firewalls constantly. It's a change management nightmare. Update them then you need to update them.
26:11 <Ampera> Kernel and userland
27:11 <electrohead> well, it's a firewall; technically, if you have your networking done correctly, the kernel and userland areas shouldn't be able to be exploited, by any means, unless you have an undisclosed vulnerability being exploited?
27:15 <Ampera> I'd rather have security updates be available
27:31 <Halcyon> If you want the most cutting edge features with updates every two weeks, use something like Untangle
27:49 <Ampera> I'm planning on migrating to OpenBSD or FreeBSD proper
29:53 <Ampera> and I'm just saying, I find it odd that there are /no/ patch worthy security vulnerabilities whatsoever for pfSense in half a year
30:09 <Halcyon> Well you would need to look at the vulnerabilities and how they can be exploited
30:46 <Halcyon> If they aren't anything that can be exploited remotely or can be prevented with some other measures, then I don't see the point?
30:53 <electrohead> ^
31:06 <electrohead> Ampera: what are the vulnerabilities in question?
31:19 <Halcyon> Normally I would agree, firmware updates and security updates are a good thing, but when you're talking core networking stuff, you don't want to be fucking with it every month or two.
31:23 <Ampera> https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories.html
31:36 <Ampera> Anything here up until June for software within pfSense
31:57 <Nothing\> ah man that was soooo good
32:27 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3 <3 <3
32:34 * Nothing\ hugs electrohead 
32:42 * Nothing\ hugs Halcyon 
32:45 <Halcyon> YAY
32:58 <Nothing\> hugs for all!
33:06 <Ampera> Even if they aren't vulnerabilities exploitable over WAN, I still run utilities and services that may use things like OpenSSL
33:10 <Halcyon> Well so far reading the first few vulnerabilities, they don't apply to most users
34:08 * electrohead hugs back
34:46 <Halcyon> It would be more disruptive to large networks to pull down a router for several minutes to do an update which might not even impact them.
35:02 <Ampera> the problem is it's not even an option for me to install those patches
35:06 <Ampera> they're just not available
35:09 <Halcyon> If you look at the big names in routers/firewalls, they all do the same thing.
35:19 <Halcyon> Well then use something different? Simples
35:26 <Ampera> what do you think I'm planning to do
35:30 <Halcyon> If a particular product doesn't do what you want, find something that does.
35:37 <Ampera> again, what do you think I'm planning to do
35:40 <Halcyon> It doesn't make that product "crap", it just doesn't fit your use-case.
35:51 <Ampera> when did I call it crap
35:57 <Halcyon> I was paraphrasing
36:07 <Ampera> then why did you quote me
36:13 <electrohead> lol
36:15 <Halcyon> But when you have companies like Mastercard who use pfsense, I reckon it would be OK for most people.
36:30 <Ampera> I'm not a company
36:34 <Halcyon> Neither am I
36:35 <electrohead> let-alone, people like me and Halcyon who use it :P
36:44 <electrohead> it's stable and secure
36:51 <Halcyon> But if it's good enough for Mastercard not to have the absolute latest kernel, it's good enough for me :)
36:52 <Ampera> I run things on pfSense that a company probably wouldn't, like OpenVPN and DDNS
37:15 <Halcyon> I use OpenVPN too, I'm not worries
37:17 <Halcyon> *worried
37:26 <Halcyon> That vulnerability doesn't impact me
38:12 <Ampera> The point is it concerns me that there are zero update available when it doesn't impact me to install them
38:28 <Halcyon> I think you're concerning yourself for no reason to be honest
38:51 <Halcyon> If it was that much of an issue, they would release an update to address them
38:53 <Ampera> It's still not the main reason I'm getting rid of pfSense
39:27 <Halcyon> Again, if you want cutting edge, always updating stuff, there are other products out there that will do that
39:43 <Halcyon> pfsense isn't a toy
39:52 <Ampera> I don't care about cutting edge
39:59 <Ampera> I'm saying having zero updates in half a year is weird
40:23 <Halcyon> It really isn't
40:31 <Halcyon> As I said, it's fairly common
41:17 <Ampera> That's fine, I'm not ripping it out because of that.
41:27 <Ampera> I'm only saying it concerns me and I find it weird
41:34 <Halcyon> Cisco, Palo Alto, Fortigate, Check Point, they are all the same
41:54 <Halcyon> I would probably even throw Juniper into that list
41:54 <Ampera> Much larger projects have become abandonware just as easily, look at CentOS
42:01 <Halcyon> Yes, absolutely.
42:36 <Halcyon> But at the end of the day, I don't think there is anything stopping you from manually updating things in pfsense... you just might break things?
42:44 <Ampera> Which is why I was concerned, as there being no activity in the project at all for half a year is strange to me
42:45 <electrohead> you still have the option to manually address those issues, though
43:07 <electrohead> just, not an automated solution to apply an update, available via (that) company
43:24 <Halcyon> There hasn't been "no activity". They are preparing for the next major release at the beginning of next year.
43:36 <Halcyon> Netgate actively develop pfSense and have for a very long time.
43:39 <Ampera> It's really not that simple with BSD, as none of those components are package managed, so it's not as easily as just slapping a new one in
43:55 <electrohead> hence why I said "manually"
43:58 <electrohead> :P
44:08 <electrohead> you're a goof, lol
44:12 <Ampera> electrohead, it's difficult to the point of being impossible
44:20 <Ampera> man you guys piss me off
44:29 <electrohead> we're not mad at all
44:30 <Ampera> but I'm just incredible fucking stressed right now and am about to break shit
44:46 <electrohead> so stop worrying about the stuff that is pissing you off
44:47 <Halcyon> Like you said download the latest dev release from yesterday morning if you like :P
45:12 <Halcyon> We aren't ripping on you Ampera and not saying you're wrong
45:26 <Halcyon> Just offering our perspective
45:45 * Halcyon slaps Ampera with a cold chorizo
45:56 * Ampera cracks Halcyon on the skull with a frozen chorizo
45:59 <electrohead> Ampera: hey listen, my family is split in half right now, I never called or texted anyone 'merry christmas', nor did they call or text me. I'm not hurt over it, I'm an adult, and moving forward. don't let people throw rocks in your pond
46:12 <Ampera> electrohead, you don't live with them
46:16 <Halcyon> Oh, in other news, I'm leaning towards either the Mororola moto g 5G plus or the Samsung Galaxy A42
46:21 * electrohead violently hugs Ampera
46:26 <Ampera> you don't have to plan cooking food like it's a heist :P
46:33 <electrohead> lol
46:50 <Halcyon> It's going to come down to which ones we can brute force at work :P
46:56 <Halcyon> I will pick the one we can't/.
47:07 <electrohead> that sounds fair enough :p
47:14 <Ampera> I'd have preferred it outright if nobody had bothered me about christmas
47:32 <Halcyon> Ampera, one year, come here and have Aussie christmas
47:41 <Halcyon> It'll be warm though so I might have to hose you down
47:50 <Halcyon> Like a penguin
47:57 <Ampera> Won't have the money to do it in 2021
48:19 <Halcyon> There is always the following year? Doesn't have to be next year
48:24 <Halcyon> You need to buy a house first
50:29 <Ampera> My main issue with pfSense anyways is it makes it really hard to learn how any of it works.
50:46 <Ampera> The documentation is incredibly confusing and almost useless in some circumstances
51:21 <Ampera> it makes doing neat scripted things particularly annoying as nothing is standard, and because I never set any of it up, I have no clue how the configs work or where they are
52:06 <electrohead> Ampera: I learned how to configure it via playing with every single setting
52:15 <electrohead> and now, it runs my whole lair, err, my apartment
52:19 <Ampera> even setting up OpenVPN was a pain in the ass purely because pfSense is a subset and the documentation for most of it is not designed for pfSense
52:31 <Ampera> electrohead, it's installed and working and doing what it needs to
52:46 <Ampera> it's easy to get it working for simple things, but I feel like an outside on my own router, and don't like that
53:01 <Ampera> it feels immutable, like Windows where you just can't easily change shit around
53:14 <electrohead> so backup the configuration, save it somewhere, then start playing with everything. if it breaks, revert to your known good config
53:38 <Ampera> can't
53:42 <Ampera> the router powers other people's shit
53:50 <Ampera> that's why I haven't started ripping it out for OpenBSD
54:09 <MrMobodies> Hello
54:16 <Ampera> and honestly, the time spend trying to get that to work in pfSense is time I'd rather spend setting it up in OpenBSD
54:26 <electrohead> so then purchase new/used/etc hardware, and start cracking :P
54:49 <electrohead> then once you get that greened up nicely, swap out the software stack, or hardware if you want, and voila
55:00 <Ampera> I will at some point, it's just that I then have to spend money
55:02 <Ampera> which is always a bother
55:05 <MrMobodies> over the years I have learnt how to do things on Pfsense, I didn't have the need at the time but after experimenting I got what I want working
55:27 <MrMobodies> I do have one thing I want to do, but after my sister leaves
55:29 <electrohead> I have a spare thinclient all ready with pfsense in the back room, so if I ever want to change something up, or just muck around, I have that to play with
55:39 <MrMobodies> put the interfaces (2 lans) into a group
55:54 <MrMobodies> and setup a lag on both switches, as a attempt to balance traffic
56:09 <Ampera> I have no spare hardware that has more than 1 NIC. I'm planning on buying an SBC at some point which will become my future router in my new house
56:16 <MrMobodies> so when I unplug one cable the an off the switch takes over
56:39 <MrMobodies> I have a few somewhere
56:50 <MrMobodies> A couple of intel quad ports,
57:00 <MrMobodies> and i got them cheap in a job lots some years ago
57:09 <Nothing\> welp, i got my pack of 10k resistor arrays
57:11 <Ampera> Well, I do have some IBM servers with multiple NICs, but those are a complete nightmare to work with
57:13 <MrMobodies> I think they were £7 each and brought sone a project at a youth club
57:14 <Ampera> they are almost as old as I am
57:21 <MrMobodies> ohhh
57:29 <MrMobodies> IBM controllers
57:32 <electrohead> Ampera: jump on ebay, and search for the HP T610
57:43 <electrohead> I'm seeing a few listings with extra NICs
58:01 <Nothing\> there are 8 resistors plus a common pin in a SIL pack, so I can use them as pull resistors for 8 different points
58:12 <electrohead> hell, the spare T610 I have in the back room, I got for around 60 or 80 dollars
58:19 <Ampera> electrohead, I'd rather put the money into the actual machine I intend to use
58:33 <Ampera> 60-80 bucks is way more than I want to spend into dicking around money
58:37 <MrMobodies> I don't know if you know yet... the some Intel cards like with VT seems to have broken offloading I think on the drivers
58:59 <MrMobodies> I find I have switch them off even on the 2.5c
59:04 <Ampera> https://www.seeedstudio.com/ODYSSEY-X86J4105800-p-4445.html
59:10 <Ampera> I've linked that before, and it's perfect
59:41 <MrMobodies> Looks nice
00:04 <electrohead> that costs more than the thinclients that come with a 4 port NIC on ebay, that work perfectly for pfsense/BSD/etc
00:07 <electrohead> :P
00:09 <Ampera> dual intel GbE, M.2 with support for cellular modems
00:19 <Ampera> electrohead, it's also a damn sight more powerful than those
00:23 <Ampera> and I do not need a 4 port NIC
00:30 <electrohead> alright then
00:32 <electrohead> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:43 <Ampera> it needs to do gigabit routing
00:58 <Ampera> which some particularly cheap chips like what those thinclients have tend to not be able to do that easily
01:13 <MrMobodies> the LOM stuff
01:14 * electrohead looks at his T620
01:45 <Ampera> The AMD chip in the T610 passmarks lower than my IBM servers
02:21 <Ampera> There is also no provision for a cellular modem if I should want one
02:25 <electrohead> my T620 runs everything flawlessly, with no hiccups
02:31 <Ampera> what's the CPU
02:52 <electrohead> and has one more PCIe slot, which I technically could install a modem into
02:59 * electrohead looks
03:17 <electrohead> it's a quad core, but need to get the model
03:26 <Ampera> quad core is meaningless
03:52 <Halcyon> What are you noobs talking about?
03:58 <electrohead> AMD GX-415GA
03:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, router hardware
04:14 <Halcyon> Oh right
04:21 <Ampera> electrohead, not terrible
04:50 * electrohead throws the old gateway 2000 with 512 MB of RAM and a pentium 2 at Ampera
05:05 <electrohead> came with a 4 GB hard drive, originally
05:08 * Ampera counters with his Pentium Pro G2000
05:18 <Ampera> though I only have the board and CPU out of that machine
05:21 <electrohead> I miss those days
05:39 <Ampera> I'd call you an old maid, but it doesn't piss you off like it does Halcyon
05:46 <Ampera> that being said, Halcyon is properly old
06:01 <electrohead> we're around the same age :P
06:05 <Halcyon> Nothing pisses me off?
06:24 <electrohead> I'd rather be pissed off, than pissed on, however
06:29 * electrohead laughs
06:29 * Ampera pisses on Halcyon 
06:35 <Halcyon> Hot
06:44 <Ampera> electrohead, the T620's I'm looking at have no expansion and only one NIC though
06:55 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
07:15 <electrohead> I modified mine
07:21 <Halcyon> Speaking of horse cock
07:23 <electrohead> but the T610 is the fat version
07:36 <electrohead> and that one, has the proper expansion slot
07:38 <MrMobodies> the plus edition
07:48 <Ampera> electrohead, the T610's also have a much slower CPU
07:54 <MrMobodies> https://www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/HP-T620-Plus-Thin-Client-Front-and-Rear-696x477.jpg
08:01 <electrohead> err, yes, the plus version, thanks MrMobodies
08:08 <electrohead> :p
08:11 <Ampera> the CPUs are also really old, so might not have things like hardware accelerated crypto
08:23 <electrohead> the T620 does
08:31 <Ampera> the T620 has no expansion slots
08:43 <electrohead> o.o
08:50 * electrohead slaps you
09:18 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/333784348609
09:37 <Ampera> Unless there are two T620's, which seems to be the case as MrMobodies has a very different looking machine in his picture
09:53 <electrohead> the plus version, yes
10:13 <Ampera> the PLUS is also far more expensive on ebay
10:17 <electrohead> I have the thin T620, which I hacked a second NIC onto it; interally, it has the needed expansion slots
10:29 <Ampera> sounds like a pain in the ass to do
10:40 <electrohead> you need to pick up a soldering iron more :P
11:02 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/2020-12-26-230941_1600x900_scrot.png
11:06 <electrohead> check out the CPU details
11:12 <Ampera> electrohead, but how do you mount the thing
11:27 <electrohead> I hacked that shit onto the case, lol
11:27 * Halcyon mounts Ampera
11:30 <electrohead> works a treat
11:43 <Ampera> I also don't have a working soldering iron really
11:46 <Ampera> the one I have is basically gone
12:12 <Halcyon> Also, electrohead, I hate your IP scheme
12:14 <Halcyon> :P
12:21 <electrohead> shhhh
12:24 <electrohead> :P
12:39 <Halcyon> I use Class A
12:40 <Ampera> I'd rather have something I don't have to hack together
12:59 <Halcyon> 10.a.b.c = A being the house number, B is the VLAN number and C is client (obviously)
13:13 <Ampera> my IP scheme is boring, I just have a /24 with whatever works DHCP
13:14 <Halcyon> Works really well with my mates, as long as no one has a house number past 254 :P
13:23 <electrohead> lol
13:26 <electrohead> hahahaha
13:36 <Ampera> my IPv6 setup is neat
14:02 <Ampera> if you slobs had working IPv6 you could resolve amperaa.net (or ipv6.amperaa.net) and see what I did
14:11 <Ampera> though Halcyon might have IPv6 I don't recall
14:12 <MrMobodies> here I have an issue,
14:22 <Halcyon> I do but I don't really use it much
14:38 <MrMobodies> when someone joins an Iphone or Ipad to a range of lets say 10.*.*.*
14:52 <MrMobodies> it keeps on issuing a disconnection notice and keeps on disconnecting and reconnecting
15:20 <MrMobodies> I discovered this some days ago until I changed it to anothe range 192.168.*.* and it stopped doin git
15:21 <electrohead> alright, should I get a picture of the hack job that works, on my T620?
15:23 <electrohead> >.>
15:26 <Ampera> yes
15:31 <MrMobodies> it was my sister stuff
15:35 <Ampera> I want to see what you expect is just so totally easy for me to go and do
16:05 <MrMobodies> it happened a couple of years ago to someone else with the same problem
16:06 <Halcyon> Ampera, I can resolve IPv6
16:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, then resolve amperaa.net
16:17 <Halcyon> I just don't use it for inbound connections for my services
16:35 <Ampera> Any computer that wants one has an IPv6 on my network
16:45 <Ampera> whenever I'm on YouTube I'm using IPv6
16:50 <MrMobodies> guess that's not going to matter when I could use IPV6 locally
17:49 <electrohead> oh, I have pictures already, that works
18:22 <Halcyon> Sorry just had to install dnsutils
18:41 <Halcyon> [michael@LSN78WS-LENP1G2 ~]$ nslookup amperaa.net
18:42 <Halcyon> Server: 10.78.16.1
18:42 <Halcyon> Address: 10.78.16.1#53
18:42 <Halcyon> Non-authoritative answer:
18:42 <Halcyon> Name: amperaa.net
18:42 <Halcyon> Address: 100.4.204.103
18:44 <Halcyon> Name: amperaa.net
18:46 <Halcyon> Address: 2001:470:8a68::dead:beef
19:20 <electrohead> I should probably change my channel flood settings
19:36 <Ampera> that's what I like the most about IPv6
19:49 <Ampera> my static IPv6's are now names :>
20:25 <Halcyon> beef0001, beef0002
20:28 <Ampera> my PBX is :deaf:d00d and my desktop, if the static IPv6 I gave it actually worked, is dead:feed
21:21 <Halcyon> :feed:beef
21:23 <Halcyon> Heh
21:39 <MrMobodies> pbx phone system
21:50 <Ampera> no pbx as in publix, the convenience store
21:57 <MrMobodies> oh okay
22:02 <Halcyon> What's Publix?
22:19 <Ampera> <Ampera> no pbx as in publix, the convenience store
22:38 <Halcyon> Like a 7Eleven?
22:43 <Ampera> what's that
22:52 <Halcyon> Some shit company
23:06 <Ampera> if 7Eleven is a convenience store, then I guess
23:10 <Ampera> publix actually is nowhere near me
23:16 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20200617_134541.jpg
23:18 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20200617_134555.jpg
23:20 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20200617_135612.jpg
23:22 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20200617_135624.jpg
23:24 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20200618_100836.jpg
23:26 <electrohead> enjoy the hackery
23:31 <Halcyon> I don't want to see your dick pics electrohead
23:39 <electrohead> secretly, yes you do
23:42 <electrohead> :p
23:42 <Halcyon> Ahh
23:43 <Ampera> jesus fucking christ man
23:45 <Halcyon> Shhh :P
23:53 <Halcyon> That is between you and me
24:04 <electrohead> oh oh, this is the public channel
24:05 <electrohead> my bad
24:09 <Halcyon> *smirk*
24:12 <electrohead> :P
24:14 <Ampera> I didn't even know they made M.2 NICs like that
24:19 <Halcyon> Looks nice electrohead
24:47 <MrMobodies> I think I need to look at something else in he future. My firewall can't go gigabit that good not with the slots
24:48 <electrohead> so, the pin header made it impossible to install, therefore... I desoldered that shit, and just solder the wires directly to the PCB
24:53 <Halcyon> I have a Dell 48 switch if you want it?
24:54 <MrMobodies> and it takes about 130W and hour
24:56 <Halcyon> It's too noisy for me
25:08 <electrohead> soldered*
25:23 <MrMobodies> I replace gthe fans in the some of the netgear 48 port because of the noise
25:29 <Halcyon> Dell PowerConnect 6248 with 2x 10 Gig copper ports on the back
25:32 <Ampera> I mean I could do that in theory, but I'd rather have that ODYSSEY SBC
25:37 <Halcyon> If you want it electrohead, I can ship it over
26:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, the shipping would cost more than it's worth
26:17 <Halcyon> Probably
26:21 <Halcyon> But what else am I going to do with it?
26:29 <Ampera> send it to the recyclers :P
26:35 <Ampera> or ebay
26:39 <Halcyon> Or, I can send it to someone who can use it
27:10 <Halcyon> It's noisy as fuck though, so I wouldn't recommend it for living areas
27:10 * Ampera notices electrohead's ARRIS DOCSIS modem, laughs at the cable net loser
27:11 <electrohead> this 2724 is good enough for now. I got it on ebay actually for dirt cheap, as the PSU was blown. I replaced the caps, and came back to life
27:21 * electrohead slaps the shit out of Ampera
27:25 <electrohead> dude, it's the best I can get >.<
27:30 <Halcyon> Do you want it Ampera?
27:36 * Ampera laughs in FttP
27:57 <electrohead> how much would shipping be?
28:10 <MrMobodies> I thought of the one I had from Virgin media some years ago as DocSissy and that was business.
28:16 <electrohead> maybe we could come to a compromise, as I refuse to take that for free, with you paying shipping
28:23 <Ampera> 12.6lbs
28:41 <Ampera> eh, might be 60-100USD shipping
28:46 <electrohead> ouch
29:06 <Ampera> my guess anyways
29:09 <Halcyon> About AUD$100
29:23 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'd actually not mind a switch like that if you want me to cover the shipping. I could probably use it
29:27 <Halcyon> $107.70 to be exact for 7 KG
29:44 <Halcyon> I have no idea how much it actually weighs
29:51 <Ampera> 84 USD
30:05 <Ampera> woah, since when did the AUD start being actually worth something
30:10 <Halcyon> Ampera, you might be better off buying it off ebay? Even without the 10 Gig card in the back, I can ship that over to you
31:03 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dell-PowerConnect-6248-48-Port-Gigabit-Switch-Stacking-Module-C-3B4-31-JK/143760592789?epid=16018320186&hash=item2178cc8f95:g:24cAAOSwQ2Zfcltm
31:23 <Halcyon> That one actually has 10 Gig SFP+
32:04 <Halcyon> But seriously, the fans on that switch are loud, and it's not PoE
32:52 <electrohead> fans put me to sleep, hahaha
32:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, that's a 10GBASE-T card?
33:59 <Halcyon> ?
34:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, in your switch
34:14 <Halcyon> Yes but it's RJ-45 not SFP+
34:25 <Ampera> it's not RJ-45
34:28 <Ampera> and SFP+ is not BASE-T
34:48 <Ampera> but anyways, so it is 10GBASE-T
35:14 <Ampera> yeah I'll pass, as I'd intend on using an SFP+ oriented network rather than BASE-T
35:17 <Halcyon> It's 10 Gigabit copper ethernet with RJ-45 ports
35:25 <electrohead> lol
35:26 <Ampera> they're not RJ-45, they're 8P8C
35:28 <Halcyon> Yes, which is why I suggested the ebay switch
35:37 <Ampera> Halcyon, the ebay switch doesn't even ship
35:43 <Halcyon> Wha?
35:47 <Ampera> er, no it does
35:53 <Ampera> oh
35:56 <Ampera> it's in colorado
35:58 <Ampera> wtf
36:10 <Halcyon> What's wrong with Colorado?
36:24 <Ampera> many things, but I got confused because you gave me an australian ebay link
36:28 <Ampera> so I presumed it was in australia
36:35 <Ampera> it also said local pickup so I thought that meant only
36:39 <Halcyon> No clown. I was looking up cheaper switches for you
36:51 <Ampera> the shipping is still quite a bit, 32 bucks
37:13 <MrMobodies> looked like a nice switch with some uplink options
37:21 <Halcyon> It has lots of LEDs :P
37:56 <Halcyon> But yes, as I said, this switch it loud. You'd want it in a basement or something
37:58 <Ampera> Meh, I'll hold off actually, as I'd have no present use for it
37:58 <Halcyon> *is
38:05 <MrMobodies> but it looks very long
38:07 <MrMobodies> in size
38:16 <MrMobodies> oh yeah basement
38:28 <Ampera> I plan to have a sound deadened server closet most likely
38:32 <Halcyon> It is quite long for a switch
38:41 * Halcyon puts Ampera in the closet
39:05 <MrMobodies> it is a bit like the Cisco 2801 I use to have
39:11 <Ampera> I'm also not sure if I want to use a single switch or multiple switch topology
39:17 <MrMobodies> that was so long it went under the power sockets in the cabinet
39:28 <MrMobodies> it covered to the back
39:32 <Ampera> ultimately, if I buy a switch, it'd likely be larger SFP+ based switch
40:00 <MrMobodies> I know netgear had a stackable 20gb thing in the past using HDMI cables
40:01 <Ampera> though, if I do, that sort of switch might be useful for any twisted pair stuff I need to run
42:25 <Ampera> I wonder if my eServer 325 could do gigabit routing
42:46 <Ampera> actually, it might make sense to just get a cheap server off ebay to use as a router
42:58 <MrMobodies> I hae seen them
43:13 <MrMobodies> the 1u ones with the slots in the back
45:00 <Ampera> I would like to also get a proper server rack at some point
45:05 <Ampera> hopefully craigslist can help me with that one
45:36 * Ampera gives Halcyon a list of people named craig, and their locations, marital status, and sexual preferences.
46:21 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/AlXJGl7
46:58 <Ampera> looks a lot like my eServer, but that one's quite a bit newer
47:15 <Ampera> mine is a PCI-X based system
47:24 <Ampera> with an Ultra 320 controller
47:27 <MrMobodies> I think it had some I3 in and I replaced it an an Xeon
47:35 <MrMobodies> it was very basic when I got it
47:38 <MrMobodies> oh
47:43 <MrMobodies> 320 scsi controller?
47:47 <Ampera> lol
47:55 <MrMobodies> ph yes pci-x must be scsi
48:09 <Ampera> I also have an eServer 325 with some pretty neat party tricks, including hot swap PCI-X
48:21 <MrMobodies> nice
48:25 <Ampera> er, 235 rather
48:27 <MrMobodies> hot swappable slots
48:39 <Ampera> it's actually an IA-32 server too, but can PAE up to 12GB
48:45 <Ampera> dual hyperthreaded P4 Xeons
48:54 <Ampera> 6 slot Ultra 320 backplane with hotswap bays
49:04 <MrMobodies> does PAE slow it down in any way?
49:15 <MrMobodies> when it is switched on
49:17 <Ampera> lol, slow down
49:22 <Ampera> you mean boot time?
49:30 <MrMobodies> no memory performance
49:43 <Ampera> in order for the performance to be slowed down it'd have to have any to begin with
49:51 <MrMobodies> I have had that happen on an Tyan s2721 (Intel hub) and a X5DL8 Supermicro
49:56 <MrMobodies> aah
50:03 <Ampera> remember, P4 Xeons
50:25 <MrMobodies> of course
50:45 <MrMobodies> can't remember the name of the CPU I once had in that Supermicro
50:45 <Ampera> That server is about one year younger than I am
50:57 <MrMobodies> SL7AE
51:07 <MrMobodies> oooh
51:21 <MrMobodies> you grew up with it
51:28 <MrMobodies> that's nice
51:38 <Ampera> with it?
51:40 <Ampera> I suppose I did actually
51:46 <MrMobodies> yes, I think it is a good thing
51:48 <Ampera> I think my dad got that server in maybe 2008
52:00 <Ampera> maybe 2007
52:08 <Ampera> back when it was actually of any use
52:55 <MrMobodies> I still got the Tyan s2721, the Supermicro, I think the caps wore down
53:01 <MrMobodies> and so many to replace wasn't worth it
53:30 <MrMobodies> someone brought be 16gb by surprise as a gift, I told it wans't worth the tax
53:47 <MrMobodies> and since i installed that I had high pitched noises
54:08 <MrMobodies> the 5v railed dropped from 5+ to 4.9+ volts
54:23 <MrMobodies> and it got hot
54:44 <MrMobodies> the memory was unique as it had one chip over the other
55:34 <MrMobodies> I still go tthem somewhere
01:07 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/XhktLQd
01:21 <MrMobodies> that was in 2011, just swapped the scsi drives over
01:35 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
02:03 <MrMobodies> Supermicro X5DL8
02:59 <MrMobodies> 4 buses, 2 slots/devices per bus
03:11 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
03:43 <MrMobodies> I brought that board just for the CPU's in 2007, to swap them over to the Tyan
03:51 <MrMobodies> what I didn't realize it was a better board
04:00 <MrMobodies> so I swapped it back a year later
06:32 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/uryugND
06:55 <MrMobodies> that was my first proper server and that was in 2007
08:36 <MrMobodies> very disapponted with the power supply
08:50 <MrMobodies> volts dropped too low in 2017 with the Supermicro board
09:01 <Halcyon> I love Supermicro gear
09:13 <Halcyon> I built a SuperO server about 10 years ago, it's still my main NAS
09:28 <MrMobodies> the one I had got so hot I put fans on it BUT it worked loyally over the years
09:33 <Halcyon> I also still have my original Supermicro Pentium III 450 MHz PC I built when I was working in a computer shop
09:37 <MrMobodies> on the IO bridge controllers
09:50 <MrMobodies> bet that still works
10:10 <MrMobodies> did it run cool?
10:39 <Halcyon> Yeh actually, and quiet
10:43 <Halcyon> It's a 3 RU though
11:06 <MrMobodies> I like the choice of the caps, the good Sanyo green stuff
11:21 <MrMobodies> lasts so long
11:34 <Halcyon> Right now it's in a closed room in a rack and the CPU is 41 degrees
12:34 <MrMobodies> not bad at all
12:38 <Halcyon> Ambient temp is about 27-28 degrees in there
13:13 <MrMobodies> I think it was better than that Tyan in the additional buses
13:18 <MrMobodies> and extra 2 slots
16:02 <Halcyon> I don't normally like there click-baity video but this one is cute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZqE8guUPM
19:39 <MrMobodies> I see
19:44 <MrMobodies> they ike to visit
19:59 <Halcyon> Birbs
22:17 <MrMobodies> I found it
22:20 <MrMobodies> the ram
22:40 <electrohead> awe, cute birds
24:54 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/HkUzfI3
25:03 <Halcyon> I miss CompuServe
25:14 <MrMobodies> I heard of that
25:29 <Halcyon> It was the internet before the internet
25:39 <MrMobodies> oh
25:49 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CompuServe_Information_Manager
25:56 <MrMobodies> I remember now
26:02 <MrMobodies> they came on floppies
26:04 <Halcyon> Well kind of, it was when the internet was just starting out
26:06 <MrMobodies> or something like that
26:20 <Halcyon> There was a DOS version of CIM as well in the 80's
26:21 <MrMobodies> some marketting material on the discs out of magazines
26:25 <Halcyon> Yep
26:28 <Halcyon> Kind of like AOL
26:32 <MrMobodies> along with AOL and Netscape
26:42 <MrMobodies> netscape browser I mean
27:37 <MrMobodies> but that was the first time I saw double double stack modules
27:54 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/6qsn9jdg.jpg
28:21 <MrMobodies> I didn't know they existed and from any picture can't see the ones at the bottonm
28:21 <Halcyon> Those were common back in the day
28:36 <MrMobodies> and then there was a strange thing i saw that never worked
28:45 <MrMobodies> fits in a SDRAM SLOT
28:51 <MrMobodies> but wasn't sdram
28:55 <MrMobodies> it was edo ram
29:03 <MrMobodies> and went into this Compaq server
29:20 <MrMobodies> I found out when I was working at a school, they tearing one down
29:21 <Halcyon> You needed a board that supported EDO RAM
29:29 <MrMobodies> well that did
29:36 <MrMobodies> and it was in the shape of an Sdram slot
29:39 <Halcyon> You could get EDO in both 72 pin and 192 pin sticks
29:43 <MrMobodies> ooh
29:57 <MrMobodies> that's why it wouldn't work on any board
30:05 <Halcyon> EDO was the old style, then SDRAM came out
30:18 <MrMobodies> I remembered boards, that had both slots
30:31 <MrMobodies> for one type at a time
30:34 <Halcyon> Yeh some did, but from memory you wouldn't mix types
30:42 <Halcyon> *couldn't
30:46 <MrMobodies> I think it was the Pentium type boards
31:19 <Halcyon> I think some of the late 486 boards has SDRAM slots as well, I think I have one or two
31:19 <MrMobodies> aah yes it was a.... Pc Chips one Garabge thought it out
31:27 <Halcyon> Hahah yeh they were pretty awful
31:29 <MrMobodies> the slowest board ever and it wasn't an Intel, just had FX on it
31:36 <Halcyon> Same as SiS
31:40 <MrMobodies> SiSSY
31:45 <Halcyon> We used to call them "Seriously is Slow"
31:46 <MrMobodies> my nickname for them
31:50 <MrMobodies> Sis 530
31:57 <MrMobodies> could not work on it
32:03 <MrMobodies> I said I'd rather use a 486 from the basement
32:23 <MrMobodies> which is what I did
32:24 <Halcyon> The 440BX was my favourite of the Pentium based boards
32:30 <Halcyon> They were sooooo solid and reliable
32:43 <MrMobodies> aahahaha
32:47 <MrMobodies> Gigabytes 6BXE
32:52 <MrMobodies> rev 2 440bx
32:54 <MrMobodies> still with me now
32:59 <Halcyon> Yep
33:02 <MrMobodies> just using it for the sound card slots
33:19 <MrMobodies> I loop my sounds through the Aztech sound card for that SRS3D effect thing
33:27 <Halcyon> Heh
33:39 <MrMobodies> Sound Retrieval System
33:58 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Retrieval_System
34:06 <Halcyon> Yep I'm farmiliar with it
34:36 <MrMobodies> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electromyne.com%2Fimages%2Flarge%2F500429a.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
34:44 * Ampera kisses Halcyon 
34:47 <MrMobodies> my one has a 28k rockwell modem on it
34:55 <MrMobodies> but I just loop into the line
35:02 <MrMobodies> Windows nt driver works well with it
35:03 <Halcyon> :)
35:06 * Halcyon is loved
35:13 <MrMobodies> and I can switch it off and on
35:19 <Halcyon> Ahh the Rockwell chipsets, was very fond of those
35:22 <Ampera> Halcyon, don't delute yourself, you're tolerated and used
35:25 <Ampera> *delude
35:45 <MrMobodies> I took out the 3COM and used that one in 2000 worked better actually
35:46 <Halcyon> Absolutely brilliant dialup modems, they hung onto calls like shit on a rug, even on bad lines
36:13 <MrMobodies> then a I found a 56K ISA rockwell one down the boostale in 2001, and it had a video thing on it
36:13 * Ampera shits on Halcyon's rug
36:19 <Halcyon> I think Rockwell then became Connexant ?
36:23 <Halcyon> I don't have a rug
36:27 <MrMobodies> unfortunately lightening killed the fuses
36:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, aren't you a cop?
36:45 <MrMobodies> I noticed them releasing under that name
36:47 <Ampera> arrest the lightning
36:51 <Halcyon> Well, the fuses did their job
37:01 <Halcyon> :P
37:15 <MrMobodies> if only I had a soldering iron and could solder back then
37:30 <Ampera> having a soldering iron doesn't mean one can solder
37:36 <Halcyon> Sodder
37:38 <Halcyon> :P
37:47 <Ampera> I have a soldering iron, but unless it's big and through hole, I can't do jack shit
37:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, I don't know why you keep saying that, I don't even say it like that
38:03 <MrMobodies> oh
38:11 <Halcyon> No, but you are a weird American
38:14 <Halcyon> Just reminding you
38:24 <electrohead> lol
38:45 <MrMobodies> I sense sarcasm
39:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, you people are literally home to the stupidest mammal in existence.
39:54 <Halcyon> ?
39:59 <Ampera> koalas
40:04 <Halcyon> why are they stupid?
40:07 <Halcyon> Cats are stupid
40:36 <Ampera> scientifically, they have among the lowest brain to body mass ratios of all mammals, along with having a smooth brain
40:51 <Halcyon> Still smarter than a cat
40:55 <MrMobodies> at the pub last year, the pub cat wu
41:00 <MrMobodies> couldn't give me back my wallet
41:03 <Ampera> Provably untrue
41:06 <MrMobodies> it on th ebar licking it
41:17 <MrMobodies> and it became aggressive for a while
41:37 <MrMobodies> the barman thought it was the money in there
41:53 <Halcyon> Or the cat was just an asshole
42:18 <Ampera> Halcyon, you just hate small animals
42:19 <MrMobodies> apparently when the dog wanted to play ball it would sit there in anger starring at it
42:27 <Halcyon> I don't, AT ALL
42:31 <Halcyon> I just hate cats
42:43 <Ampera> I hate australians
42:46 <MrMobodies> I don't like small dogs when the back all tje time
42:54 <MrMobodies> I like the large ones
42:55 <Halcyon> That's OK, the world hates Americans :P
42:57 <Halcyon> We're even
43:11 <Ampera> the world would hate australians, but they'd have to rememeber you exist first
43:18 <Halcyon> Yep
43:21 <Halcyon> And we like it that way :P
43:40 <Ampera> that's why your currency is so shit, people probably forget it even exists
43:51 <Halcyon> Our currency is actually quite good
43:55 <Halcyon> As is our economy
44:00 <electrohead> I'm off to bed, goodnight o/
44:05 <Halcyon> Sorry, COVID-what? :P
44:11 <Halcyon> Night mate
44:23 <MrMobodies> oh night
44:40 <Ampera> Halcyon, just because it'll be amusing, tell EEVBlog to kill itself.
44:49 <Halcyon> How?
44:55 <Ampera> by saying EEVBlog Kill Yourself
45:03 <Halcyon> EEVblog, kill yourself
45:04 Kick: Halcyon was kicked by EEVBlog (no u.)
45:04 Kick: EEVBlog was kicked by ChanOP (Halcyon [Halcyon] is a protected channel member)
45:10 <Ampera> nice
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45:14 <Halcyon> HAH
45:16 <Halcyon> Like it
45:24 <Ampera> what's funnier is because you're a protected op it kicked the bot too
45:33 <Ampera> so it was a murder-suicide
45:36 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
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46:25 <Halcyon> BRB, putting the bins out
47:44 <MrMobodies> I had no clothes left. I started to itch terrible today... long story short someone put a scent in the middle tray
48:03 <MrMobodies> It took me over an hour to remove it and flush it out
48:14 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/MBXQ4gm
48:20 <MrMobodies> I am allergic to a lot of things
48:45 <MrMobodies> My sister is staying and I think mentioned why I flush the washing machine on an empty cycle
49:28 <MrMobodies> I discovered it bubbling up and couldn't understand why it wouldn't clear until I opened the tray in the middle, like a slow feeding thing
50:02 <MrMobodies> I notice a scent a day ago when my clothes came out
50:23 <MrMobodies> it is strong it toop 8 of those cups to get rid of it from the tray
50:41 <MrMobodies> using a syringe
50:55 <Halcyon> So you are naked right now?
50:56 <MrMobodies> does anyone have allergies to powder?
51:04 <MrMobodies> I am using some torn clothes
51:31 <MrMobodies> my othes one were smelling as I waiting for that lot to dry earlier on
51:48 <MrMobodies> I don't use anything, just hot water 60c
51:57 <MrMobodies> but 90c now to rid of that stuff in the clothes
52:10 <MrMobodies> I invert the trowsers to expose the cotton in there more
52:41 <MrMobodies> I suppose by the time the water gets in there it would cool a little before the polyester stuff
52:51 <MrMobodies> I use to itch terrible over the years
53:13 <MrMobodies> and I discovered it was mum putting in on at 30c, with a lot of others clothes with the detergent
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53:52 <MrMobodies> it is horrible with the itchy, when I stop it starts, but for a year I havent had that problem when I took control over my own clothes
54:04 <Halcyon> :(
54:12 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't think I'm allergic to anything
54:37 <MrMobodies> I am allergic to milk and bread, can't have a lot of those
54:49 <Guest|84697> I'm allergic to reality television.
54:52 <MrMobodies> and sensitive to sound chemicals
54:56 <MrMobodies> yes yes yes yes
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55:15 <MrMobodies> I have developed an allergy to Facebook an I onl yused it for the secound time in ten years
55:51 <MrMobodies> I am seeing suggestions, I can't turn off, not so irrelevant, but inapppropriate stuff disgusting things suggested to me
56:04 <MrMobodies> I only signed for the village group
56:15 <MrMobodies> so I can get alerts on local thefts
56:28 <MrMobodies> they are after catalytic converts
56:58 <MrMobodies> but won't be using that if it is going to spam me.
58:38 <MrMobodies> best thing I came across this Christmas is that man who has a CPU museum in Dave's latest video
58:46 <MrMobodies> really enjoyed that
59:09 <Halcyon> I'm allergic to Ampera's bullshit
59:23 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/c/CPUGalaxy/videos
59:36 <Halcyon> Yeh I've seen a few of his videos before
59:41 <Halcyon> They are quite good
59:42 <MrMobodies> sounds to be a bit like Arnold Swatzennegar at first
59:52 <MrMobodies> I like the voice though
00:03 <MrMobodies> and the love for things
00:19 <MrMobodies> like cleaning up a rusty 286 board and making it look new again
00:38 <MrMobodies> and one of the tad tandelum things blew up.
00:44 <Ampera> I'm allergic to Halcyon's depressing authoritarianism
01:04 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQEhJNrJA8
01:40 <Halcyon> I think I'm going to buy the Moto g 5G plus
02:08 <MrMobodies> do the animations on the phone bother you at all?
02:15 <Halcyon> Animations?
02:38 <MrMobodies> dimming, on dialogues, when I move my finger to the end
02:44 <MrMobodies> a big curtain appears
03:00 <Halcyon> No, that doesn't bother me
03:01 <MrMobodies> that sort of thing
03:16 <MrMobodies> I turned most of it off on my Samgung J5 that was given to nme
03:21 <MrMobodies> on the Sony phone no option
03:23 <Halcyon> I usually disable all the useless things, like moving wallpapers etc...
03:33 <MrMobodies> I can't stand them at all
03:47 <MrMobodies> it still does in the chrome browser but on the phone with the J5
03:56 <MrMobodies> the Sony does it all the time
04:11 <MrMobodies> and I tend to get annoyed and I feel my blood pressure increasing
04:25 <MrMobodies> and I stopped using it, until I can patch the bootloader and put something else on
04:31 <MrMobodies> it also has thing thing with Microsoft
04:36 <MrMobodies> where it collects the words you type
04:43 <MrMobodies> and suggests it back
04:54 <MrMobodies> no option to turn it off and the android keyboard removed
05:09 <MrMobodies> it also collects data on the typing which I am not happy about
05:26 <MrMobodies> Sony Xperia
06:15 <MrMobodies> it is called Softkey I think
09:26 <MrMobodies> a forum thread on the issue
09:38 <MrMobodies> https://community.sony.co.uk/t5/x-series/remove-swiftkey/td-p/3498298/page/1
10:11 <MrMobodies> can't stand things where i can't turn suggest off
14:37 <Nothing\> hrm
14:53 <Nothing\> i got an amazon gift card but no idea what to spend it on
24:12 <Halcyon> A Sodastream
24:13 <MrMobodies> joke: spend it on nothing...
24:28 <MrMobodies> if you buy spend it on anything
24:47 <MrMobodies> Sodastream... I remember them
25:05 <MrMobodies> I heard when they put too much soda in it rotted their teeth or something in the 80's
25:27 <MrMobodies> nice and sweet taste
25:29 <Halcyon> ?
25:35 <MrMobodies> the sodastream
25:39 <Halcyon> It's just carbonated beverages
25:41 <Halcyon> With CO2
25:57 <MrMobodies> aah maybe it is the mixing of the drinks
26:11 <MrMobodies> and they put sugar in their choice of mixture
26:29 <Halcyon> I'd just use it for water
26:33 <MrMobodies> I think the ones I am thinking of came with the actually drinks
27:00 <MrMobodies> I got confused there sorry, carbonated water, not with the other drinks
28:55 <MrMobodies> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3509f360ff25c431ecff9acfd5e192f85faf7a1c/0_0_2807_3504/master/2807.jpg
29:50 <MrMobodies> I remembered they had these cordial or things they added to them. I think it was a documentary I saw many years ago about the issue.
30:15 <MrMobodies> I know someone who spent £4000 on a tap that does, hot cold and C02
30:47 <MrMobodies> it wasn't the Quooker one.
35:09 <MrMobodies> Now you mention Compuserv, https://www.compuserve.com/ they still seem to be going in their original form.
35:45 <MrMobodies> oh owned by Verizon. I think I like the look of that
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10:27 <steve30> hi
11:47 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
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17:46 * steve30 coffees
18:12 <Halcyon> I made this: https://www.goodfood.com.au/recipes/chorizo-and-potato-gem-bravas-20200807-h1pv33
18:15 <Halcyon> It's really delicious
19:10 <steve30> looks nice
20:28 <T3sl4> you call tots, gems?
33:04 <Halcyon> Yep
33:14 <Halcyon> Nom noms
33:53 <Halcyon> It turned out really well, but it does need that blast of grill at the end of cooking to get that golden crunch on top
39:17 <T3sl4> mmm, crusty cheesy crustyness
39:26 <Halcyon> Mmmhmmm
51:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhaQqgXrMMU
51:37 <Halcyon> This guy looks like a high school electronics teacher
58:20 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
58:38 <Halcyon> :)
58:53 * T3sl4 pets steve30 with a coffee
12:01 <steve30> :)
22:02 <steve30> Halcyon, what did Jerry get for Christmas?
26:53 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
27:37 <Halcyon> Honey sticks
30:38 <Ysjoelfir> indeed, honey is very sticky
31:40 <Halcyon> :P
31:49 <Halcyon> They are seeds mixed with honey in like a log
32:17 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds tasty
33:42 <steve30> i might go out for a walk later
38:25 <Ysjoelfir> its raining here
39:19 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Sebastian Müller: Found this great article about reverse engineering the source code of the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine written by @PowerDNS_Bert. https://t.co/DNvDlEMDJp @Barnacules @eevblog
47:21 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: https://t.co/WNqLAC2mqO :Which was quoting: Joe Ho: @eevblog Her is a map of DaveTour™ Norwest Business Park https://t.co/I5jT4gY3ON
50:47 <steve30> Halcyon, don't suppose you have any spare laptop IDE hard drives?
01:49 <Halcyon> What size?
06:11 <Ysjoelfir> Mrs. wife just shared that :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz4SYkwSxTM&feature=youtu.be
07:30 <Halcyon> Funny should say that Ysjoelfir, I just watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pe23n-Z6Lg
09:51 <Ysjoelfir> lol
10:24 <Ysjoelfir> woah! MEchanics workshops!
11:47 <Halcyon> "These girls will certainly make efficient housewives in a few years time"
11:52 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder where such classes like... the fabric stuff, housekeeping, mechanics, cooking and stuff like that have gone.
11:54 <Halcyon> Hahaha, oh gees, how things have changed
12:22 <Halcyon> I had all that when I went to high school, not so much mechanics but I did electronics and wood working
13:17 <Ysjoelfir> We didn't have any crafty or hand working classes at all. which annoys me, I think modern generations miss out on so much stuff that is still pretty common knowledge for my generation
13:27 <Halcyon> I agree
13:43 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, my best friend Gworg for example. he's... 6 years younger than I am and just never realy learned how to cook
14:05 <Ysjoelfir> I got tought that by my mum, because he also thought its critical that those things aren't thought anymore
14:23 <Ysjoelfir> I also know how to iron clothes. a novelty for germany in their 30s I think xD
14:27 <Ysjoelfir> *germans
15:04 <Halcyon> Yeh, kids these days are stupid :P
15:13 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
15:41 <Halcyon> Too busy watching bullshit on Insta or Tiktok
19:10 <Halcyon> Anyway bed time, night all
19:25 <Ysjoelfir> heh. I managed to delete all my social media (except linkedin because I need that to keep contact to some business contacts) and uninstalled tiktok shortly after I first installed it. you can so get lost in that tiktok shit oO went to the toilet once, decided to watch a tiktok vid, came back from the toilet 3 hours later and was wondering where the day went
19:32 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 Halcyon :)
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40:32 * steve30 has never seen the point in social media
05:29 <Ysjoelfir> same. I created accounts for that when I wanted to promote my youtube, but meh. I don't need that shit :D
15:47 <steve30> i've just taken my new Canon XL1 outside for a walk
23:34 <K> a sample?
26:34 <steve30> The video is still on the tape.
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