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16:24 <Halcyon> Mew
16:34 <rust_collector> 'ola
16:43 <Halcyon> How's it going?
17:03 <rust_collector> could have been worse
17:51 <rust_collector> I am looking and comparing tool trolleys, which is pretty hopeless online.
17:53 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
18:09 <Ampera> https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/1145095453370982405/1145095433263431681/_pcL3LXQ.jpg:large
18:12 <Ampera> I grew a strawberry
18:38 <Halcyon> YAY!
29:38 <Halcyon> BRB, need to reboot
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32:20 <rust_collector> does a reboot have to take that long?
39:40 <T3sl4> Ampera, 401
40:29 <Ampera> T3sl4, 418
40:39 <T3sl4> short and stout
50:34 <Ampera> T3sl4, 410
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40:01 <Halcyon> Well that was a giant fuck around
40:45 <Halcyon> Ampera, you can disregard my message on Signal
41:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, I don't monitor signal anyways
41:49 <Ampera> I was expecting accidental genitals, but was thoroughly disappointed
42:02 <Halcyon> Hahaha, I'll remember that for next time :P
50:04 <Halcyon> Anyway, something screwed up my graphics drivers
50:22 <Halcyon> I think it was a Kernel update, but downloaded and reinstalled the latest drivers from NVIDIA and it fixed it
50:58 <Ampera> kernel update shouldn't really effect graphics drivers
51:33 <Halcyon> Apparently there was a bug in some of the NVIDIA driver versions that broke when I updated to Kernel 5.1
51:59 <Halcyon> I must have had one of those versions installed *shrug*
52:29 <Ampera> I think I've had 5.1 installed for ages
52:39 <Halcyon> So have I, but I only rebooted now
53:03 <rust_collector> gerat! Things like that makes me less sad about having intel built in graphics, lol
53:19 <Ampera> I've never had a driver problem on nvidia
53:43 <Ampera> but my distro might just handle packaging differently, so if there is a kernel issue, it's usually not a problem since the graphics drivers get updated with the kernel
53:46 <Ampera> along with everything else
53:47 <Halcyon> I'm sure you haven't but as I said, there was an issue with a handful of driver versions that required a patch
53:52 <rust_collector> neither have I. but otoh, I have only had 2 older machines with nvidia
53:54 <Halcyon> Alternatively, I just installed the latest version
54:22 <Ampera> Even if there is a driver issue, it's not a big deal, because X can run without them if it has to
55:06 <Halcyon> So can my machine normally, but I disabled all the Nouveau stuff when I first installed this machine
55:13 * steve30 purrs at Halcyon 
55:18 <Halcyon> Which is why I got a blank screen when it switched modes
55:20 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
55:44 <Ampera> no, nouveau is a driver
55:49 <Halcyon> Correct
55:53 <Ampera> if I couldn't use the nvidia driver, I'd use VESA
56:33 <Halcyon> Well, all I know is, the version of the Nvidia driver I had installed had a bug. It was resolved by the version released on the 10th of this month.
56:51 <Halcyon> I just didn't notice until now because I haven't rebooted
57:08 <rust_collector> what os is that on?
57:13 <Halcyon> Fedora
57:18 <rust_collector> ah
57:24 <Halcyon> But it wasn't OS specific, it was to do with the Linux kernel version
57:50 <rust_collector> yeah, which means I will bump into that next year (debian)
58:31 <Halcyon> I just downloaded v 430.26 of the GeForce driver pack from NVIDIA, that's been confirmed as working on the latest Kernel version
58:45 <DHess_US> Working? You mean it comes with source?
58:55 <Halcyon> ?
59:36 <DHess_US> So that is a no. Linus said it best, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
59:36 <Halcyon> https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2015/fedora-nvidia-guide/4/#download-nvidia-patched-installer
59:40 <Halcyon> This is the issue I was having
00:04 <Halcyon> But I didn't bother with any of that, as I said, the latest driver works just fine
00:22 <DHess_US> I got a bit weirded out on my FreeBSD update a couple days ago. It took 2 hours and I thought it had died part way through.
00:41 <Halcyon> DHess_US, that might be true, but they still shit all over AMD GPUs
00:42 <DHess_US> It just worked.
01:11 <DHess_US> I'm still pissed off with nVidia over the nforce2 chipsets.
01:17 <DHess_US> Never forget!
02:51 <DHess_US> Plus all of my nForce2 chipset motherboards died about 10 years ago while all of my *older* VIA and Intel based MBs still work. Same happened to all of my nVidia GPUs.
03:00 <Halcyon> Eww VIA
03:00 <Halcyon> :P
03:12 <DHess_US> Works better than nVidia since it works.
03:29 <Halcyon> I can't say I've had any of these issues with nvidia
03:33 <DHess_US> I thought about using the Via as my router. I may still do that.
03:37 <Halcyon> Only minor driver issues in Linux
03:44 <DHess_US> I have a Barton CPU for it.
04:22 <DHess_US> It ends up the Pentium4 system I am using is really slow. Like so slow that my Dual 600MHz P3 RAMBUS box might be faster.
05:08 <DHess_US> I overestimated what Pentium4 CPU it had.
13:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @szeloof: Finally got a fully working chip wire bonded, took long enough but the result looks stunning https://t.co/fVvSSW1edE
34:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The Capehart Communication museum collection is for sale, building land and all: https://t.co/p6okrNH1dH
59:37 * Ampera pets Halcyon with a fried sausage
23:08 <Halcyon> Ew, oily
23:16 <Ampera> how do Halcyon?
23:21 <Halcyon> Good mate, you?
23:40 <Ampera> yes
23:42 <Ampera> me
23:58 <Ampera> uh
23:59 <Ampera> idk
25:13 <Halcyon> What don't you know?
25:33 <Ampera> how I'm doing
25:50 <Halcyon> Fair enough
26:26 <Ampera> I'm playing Minecraft
27:13 <Halcyon> You should play with Mark
27:19 <Ampera> why
33:39 <steve30> k think i might go out on the bike again this morning, since its fairly warm
46:13 <desu> 1wish it wasn't so warm
46:40 <Ampera> Hi, desu! How is my favourite faggot?
47:04 <desu> im not a faggot
47:06 <desu> stop saying i am
47:08 <desu> because im not.
47:12 <Ampera> I'm sorry, homosexual.
47:15 <Ampera> How rude of me.
47:50 <desu> -_-
47:58 <desu> same thing different name
48:11 <Ampera> You can call it what you want, I don't care, you are who you are.
48:31 <desu> but i'm not
48:34 <desu> you're the one telling me i am
48:52 <Ampera> Telling you that you are what?
49:11 <desu> homosexual
49:19 <Ampera> You're gay? Oh that's neat.
49:22 <Ampera> I didn't know you were.
49:51 <desu> i'm not.
50:01 <Ampera> You just said you were.
50:12 <desu> stop this pls
50:15 <Ampera> stop what?
50:58 <Ampera> all I want to do is celebrate your newfound sexuality :/
51:08 <Ampera> You should be happy that you want to fuck guys.
52:02 <desu> i really don't
52:05 <desu> so stop saying i do.
52:21 <desu> maybe you want that
52:23 <Ampera> You don't have to be happy about it, but if you're gay, there's not really much you nor I can do about it.
52:28 <desu> and that's fine. but i don't.
52:32 <Ampera> Want what?
52:36 <desu> fuck guys
52:42 <Ampera> you want to fuck guys?
52:44 <Ampera> yeah you were telling me
52:54 <Ampera> it's fine by me, ma'am, if you're straight, that's good
53:34 <steve30> Does anyone know why my flatbed scanner has uneven exposure/illumination?
54:09 <Ampera> steve30, uneven in what axis?
54:36 <steve30> The right hand side of the picture is brighter than the left, and there are a couple of dark stripes.
54:41 <Ampera> if it's an LED scanner, then it could be some of the diodes are going out, same with CFL, but if one side of the tube is on the blink
54:54 <Ampera> Yeah that sounds like it could be the bulb.
55:16 <Ampera> desu can help you, I hear she's good at helping men with their "problems"
55:31 <steve30> Its an LED scanner. I think it uses RGB LEDs
55:47 <Ampera> why would it use RGB LEDs
55:51 <Ampera> and not simply white
56:13 <Ampera> which I /guess/ are RGB LEDs, just not with individually controllable channels
56:18 <steve30> I'm guessing RGB was more practical in 2001 when it was made.
56:19 <T3sl4> Ampera, get your ass over here
56:25 <T3sl4> i'm drilling and tapping a piece of metal
56:28 <Ampera> yes sir?
56:30 <desu> im not.
56:32 <T3sl4> and next i'm going to drill then tap dat azz
56:38 <Ampera> desu, you're not straight?
56:41 <Ampera> oh, I thought you were
56:48 <Ampera> alright, well if you're gay, that's okay too
56:48 <desu> i like women
56:57 <Ampera> yes, you just said you were gay
56:58 <desu> mostly
57:01 <Ampera> women and women, that makes you lesbian
57:06 * steve30 gets the impression that Ampera and desu secretly like each other :)
57:14 <Ampera> lol
57:28 <desu> no
57:33 <desu> Ampera is a huge fag
57:47 <Ampera> That's a strange way to spell "I'm"
57:58 <desu> for what?
58:01 <desu> i said i like women
58:06 <Ampera> and you're a woman
58:09 <Ampera> so that makes you gay
58:18 <Ampera> there's no shame in it
59:22 <Ampera> T3sl4, I'll have you know, anal is gay
59:39 <desu> i'm a man
59:42 <Ampera> I always keep a plug in mine, so that the devil can't stick his evil dick inside of me and turn my white christian ass into a homo
59:46 <desu> that likes women
59:48 <Ampera> desu, oh so you like men?
59:49 <desu> that's what i am.
59:56 <Ampera> oh, no so you're a woman
59:59 <Ampera> stop confusing me
00:04 <desu> you're confusing me man
00:06 <Ampera> you're either a gay man or a lesbian woman
00:16 <desu> i'll take lesbian women then
00:17 <Ampera> oh wait, you're one of those gender fluid types
00:19 <Ampera> I get it.
00:30 <Ampera> Alright, so you're a lesbian genderfluid woman
00:36 <desu> no
00:41 <desu> not genderfluid
00:41 <T3sl4> could be a lesbian in a man's body
00:43 <Ampera> I mean I think genderfluid is kinda stupid, and not really a thing, but, whatever
00:46 <T3sl4> rare, but not unheard of
00:48 <Ampera> T3sl4, steph the lesbian?
00:52 <desu> lol
00:59 <desu> i'm a male identifying lesbian
01:01 <Ampera> desu, so just a lesbian woman then
01:06 <Ampera> male identifying
01:08 <Ampera> alright
01:12 <Ampera> but that still means you're a woman
01:13 <Ampera> and like other women
01:14 <Ampera> so gay
01:56 <desu> no
02:12 <desu> this is all very confusing
02:42 <Ampera> you're telling me
02:46 <Ampera> let's just call you gay
02:49 <Ampera> it makes it all simpler
02:58 <desu> alright
03:21 <desu> no
03:23 <desu> let's no
03:30 <Ampera> fine, lesbian
03:32 <Ampera> bitch
03:32 <desu> t
04:50 <desu> -_-
07:05 <T3sl4> Ampera, lez b friends
07:27 <Ampera> ew gay
09:04 <desu> but you're gay
09:25 <Ampera> no u
09:30 <Ampera> I'm genuinely not even gay
09:45 <Halcyon> Yo Amps
09:49 <desu> oh what are you then?
10:41 <Ampera> yeah Halcyon?
10:44 <Ampera> desu, bisexual
10:48 <Halcyon> No, that's all :)
11:26 <desu> hahaha
11:30 <desu> that's gay man
11:35 <desu> anything that's not straight is gay
11:37 <Ampera> I'm not a man either
11:45 <desu> penis = man
11:46 <Ampera> I sexually identify as Concorde jet
11:52 <Ampera> don't have a penis
11:55 <desu> those don't have penises
11:59 <desu> or do they?
12:00 <Ampera> I have 4 turbojet engines
12:02 <desu> i dunno
12:06 <Ampera> with afterburners
12:12 <Ampera> and delta wings
12:22 <Ampera> and I'll fuck you in your ass with my folding nosecone
12:32 <desu> they also crash and burn
12:37 <Ampera> my pronouns are oh/shit
12:53 <Ampera> crash and burn into your dick
12:57 <Ampera> like the gayboi you are
13:03 <Halcyon> Ampera is fond of my peen :P
13:22 <Ampera> How can I be fond of something I can't even see?
13:40 <Halcyon> True
15:30 <T3sl4> Ampera, i have a bird strike fetish
15:41 <Ampera> STRIKE ME DADDY
15:44 <Ampera> SPLATTER YOUR GUTS ALL OVER ME
16:03 <Ampera> i want your vicera on my sleek white body
16:07 <desu> owo
16:08 <Halcyon> Lovely
16:23 <Halcyon> I'm going back to housework
17:17 <desu> very homo of you
17:47 <Halcyon> I'm thinking of hiring a house keeper
17:55 <Halcyon> Just to do the shit I hate doing
17:57 <T3sl4> Halcyon wants to break free
18:22 <Ampera> i wish someone would make me do their housework
18:33 <Ampera> keep me in a tight cage, feed me scraps, hurt me for no reason
18:40 <Halcyon> If you were here Ampera, I would. I'd also make you wear a short shorts
18:41 <Ampera> I'm used to being hurt for no reason
18:49 <Halcyon> I'd also pay you
18:58 <desu> that's fucked up
19:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, I honestly look feminine, so it wouldn't really work out for you in that way
19:16 <Halcyon> So what?
19:20 <Halcyon> Twinks are a thing
19:25 <Ampera> desu, if you think that's fucked up, wait until you hear about what I'm actually into
19:34 <desu> lol what
20:08 <Halcyon> One day we'll see Ampera being walked down the street on a leash :P
20:18 <Halcyon> By some big bear
20:25 <Ampera> not a fan of petplay
20:25 <desu> creepy
20:26 <Halcyon> Like Big Clive
20:26 <Halcyon> :P
20:29 <Ampera> nor even servantry/slavery
20:34 <Ampera> up to a point anyways
20:36 <desu> what is it then?
20:38 <steve30> Here's a blank page from my scanner
20:39 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/scanner_exposure.jpg
20:48 <Halcyon> Hmmm
20:52 <Ampera> Yeah that's LED failure
20:54 <Halcyon> LED scanner Steve?
20:56 <T3sl4> ick
21:01 <steve30> yeah
21:06 <Halcyon> What make/model?
21:33 <steve30> Canon N656U
21:50 <Ampera> Let's just say it would make rape fetishists look like nothing
23:03 <desu> weirdo
23:33 <Ampera> desu, why, because I want to fuck teletubbies?
23:51 <desu> yes
24:43 <Ampera> I'm sorry I don't subscribe to your linear interpretation of sex
25:00 <Ampera> at least I don't want to fuck dogs or children
25:00 <EEVBlog> Halcyon is interested, Ampera!
25:16 <Ampera> oh fuck
25:25 <Ampera> is that the secret Dave's been keeping for you?
25:46 <T3sl4> oi fuckoff EEVBlog
25:47 <EEVBlog> You can get that over fibre now?
30:00 <steve30> actually, if I run a calibration cycle first, the scanner works better
30:47 <Halcyon> Bahaha
31:16 <steve30> Maybe I'll redo the 10 pages I just scanned.
43:00 * Ampera gives Halcyon a piece of brown candy
44:09 <steve30> My PV system generated 16kWh yesterday :)
46:01 <Halcyon> What kind of brown candy?
46:17 <Ampera> It's literally a solidified chunk of brown sugar
46:36 <Halcyon> Ew
46:47 <Ampera> it tastes delicious you fuck
47:14 <steve30> brown sugar is nice
47:23 <Ampera> ^
47:46 <T3sl4> ew, candy makes people happy
47:49 <T3sl4> and happy is gay
48:25 <Ampera> you're the gayest straight guy I know, T3sl4
48:51 <Halcyon> Brown sugar isnice, but not by itself
49:01 <Halcyon> He totally is
49:21 <Ampera> I'm basically eating it on its own
49:37 <Halcyon> I'll send you a bag of jaggery
49:46 <Ampera> that's not brown sugar
49:48 <Ampera> that's palm sugar
49:55 <Halcyon> Well you don't seem that picky
49:58 <Ampera> and don't bother, I could get it myself
50:03 <T3sl4> ofc it is, all sugars fit in your palm
50:11 <Halcyon> I could send you Australian sugar?
50:21 <Ampera> T3sl4, I don't fit in your palm
50:31 <Halcyon> You are such a size queen Ampera
50:31 <T3sl4> you arent a sugar, youre a vinegar
50:35 <Ampera> Halcyon, what's the difference between the sugar we have here and the sugar you have there?
50:45 <Halcyon> Isn't your sugar made from corn?
50:50 <Ampera> no
50:51 <Halcyon> Or something like that?
50:53 <Ampera> no?
50:57 <Ampera> I mean some is
51:00 <Ampera> but not granulated
51:08 <Ampera> our granulated is either cane sugar or beet sugar
51:17 <Ampera> if it's brown sugar it's always cane sugar
51:18 <Halcyon> Ahh beet sugar, that's what I was thinking of
51:30 <Ampera> we can get cane sugar, sugar cane even grows here
51:30 <Halcyon> I didn't realise you also had sugar cane there
51:41 <Ampera> I could probably get actual sugar cane if I wanted to
52:04 <Halcyon> Panda's nom on sugar cane
52:04 <Ampera> well brown sugar is always cane sugar, because beet sugar molasses is inedible
52:13 <Ampera> so do people
52:13 <T3sl4> far as i know it's almost always "pure cane sugar"
52:17 <Halcyon> Brown sure is just white sugar + molasses
52:21 <Halcyon> *sugar
52:29 <Ampera> Yeah most of our bagged sugar is cane sugar, beet sugar is probably more of an industrial thing
52:30 <T3sl4> dont think theres much sugarcane in the US but we love our imports
52:32 <Halcyon> In fact, I don't bother buying it because it's cheaper just to mix your own
53:03 <Halcyon> And Dark brown sugar is just white sugar + more molasses
53:30 <Ampera> I got a pound of brown sugar for a dollar
53:40 <Halcyon> Bargain
53:44 <Ampera> not really
53:48 <Ampera> it's not expensive at all here
53:54 <Halcyon> Actually, no it's not
54:18 <Ampera> Walmart prices it at 0.59/lb
54:22 <Halcyon> Sugar costs me about $1 per kilogram
54:44 <Halcyon> Even cheaper if I buy it in 2 or 5 KG bags
54:58 <Ampera> no, this is brown sugar
55:07 <T3sl4> No, this is Patrick.
55:12 <Halcyon> Which is why I mix my own
55:14 <Halcyon> Much cheaper
55:39 <Halcyon> And it doesn't go all hard and lumpy after a while
55:39 <Ampera> I don't see how you can get much cheaper than 0.59/lb on the high-ish end to justify the time and energy needed to make your own
55:47 <Ampera> neither does brown sugar ever?
55:56 <Halcyon> Time = 20 seconds, energy = eff all
55:59 <Ampera> I mean it does, but it's not like salt, it just breaks apart
56:08 <Ampera> it's not that fast to mix brown sugar
56:18 <Ampera> molasses is thick and sticks to everything
56:20 <Halcyon> It literally is
56:25 <Ampera> bullshit
56:32 <Halcyon> I mainly use it in baking so it's even quicker in a mixer
56:41 <Ampera> maybe if you count that as the time it takes to simply lob it in as two parts to something
56:56 <Ampera> but you're talking like brown sugar is 5 bucks a pound
57:00 <Ampera> it's not expensive
57:12 <Halcyon> No it's not, but it's just another form of lazy tax for people who CBF
57:20 <Halcyon> Why pay extra for something I can do myself?
57:34 <Halcyon> It's like pre-cut vegetables
57:49 <Halcyon> I'm not a tard, I know how to peel and cut an onion
57:53 <T3sl4> ew, frozen food
57:56 <desu> cuting them yourself is kinda dangerous
57:57 <Ampera> I don't see how that's comparable at all
58:22 <Ampera> we've always used packaged brown sugar, that's just how it's done here
58:24 <Halcyon> Actually frozen veges are great as they retain almost all of their nutritional value and you can store them for a long time
58:36 <Ampera> no they aren't great because vegetables are fucking poison
58:40 <Halcyon> But pre-cut vegetables like apples, carrots, even onions, fresh in plastic
59:03 <Ampera> an apple isn't a vegetable
59:05 <Halcyon> Ampera: Most people here buy it in bags too
59:07 <Halcyon> I just don't bother
59:17 <Halcyon> Fine, vege/fruit
59:21 <Ampera> it's not even a bother
59:32 <Ampera> but pre-cut produce isn't even a thing here unless you go to the really high end stores
59:38 <Halcyon> For me, it's an extra thing I have to buy and store
59:43 <Ampera> and by high end I mean Whole Paycheck
59:53 <Ampera> as opposed to molasses you'd have to buy and store?
00:01 <Halcyon> pre-cut is in almost every supermarket
00:06 <Halcyon> It's mostly for the lazy
00:10 <T3sl4> Ampera, we get it, you don't like vegetables, because that would be cannibalism
00:20 <Halcyon> Well I already stock molasses and white sugar in my pantry
00:24 <Halcyon> Why add another thing?
00:26 <Ampera> no, I'm a human, and I like cannibalism
00:27 <Ampera> e.e
00:39 <Halcyon> My baking shelf is already overflowing
00:39 <Ampera> I already stock brown sugar and white sugar in my pantry
00:43 <Ampera> but you're racist and don't want brown
00:46 <Ampera> fucking bigot
00:47 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=482tDopNzoc
01:05 <Halcyon> In fact I have 2 types of white sugar, depending on the granule size I want
01:14 <Halcyon> 3 if you include icing/powdered sugar
01:47 <Halcyon> Ampera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BULkJaPkWik
01:50 <Ampera> good song, T3sl4
02:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm not stupid, I know how to make brown sugar
02:10 <Halcyon> Just checking :P
02:13 <Ampera> you literally even told me if I hadn't gathered it before
02:15 <Halcyon> You can say some pretty stupid shit sometimes :P
02:31 <Ampera> why do you think I'm here, you fucks are the only ones retarded enough to handle it
02:48 <Halcyon> Because I like abusing you :)
02:52 <Halcyon> And you love it too
03:11 <Ampera> actually you can really piss me off sometimes with your upside down ways
03:19 <Halcyon> Yeh I know *smirk*
03:20 <Ampera> but you're basically my only friend so
03:29 <Ampera> if I leave, I'd probably end up killing myself
03:34 <Halcyon> \o/
03:54 <Halcyon> You know I love getting a rise out of you Ampera, just like you shit stir me :P
04:10 * Ampera flashes a swiss army knife at Halcyon 
04:16 <Ampera> can't arrest me, fascist!
04:35 <Halcyon> Come here and say that. *cut to Ampera sulking on the floor in handcuffs*
04:47 <Ampera> I think today I'll do something really drastic
04:50 <Halcyon> Actually you might enjoy that
04:53 <Ampera> I might /walk outside/ with a /knife/
05:01 <Halcyon> Have fun :)
05:03 <Ampera> if you're not careful, I might really fuck up an apple with it
05:12 <Halcyon> Don't forget sun cream
05:42 <Halcyon> As if you're going to go outside, you only go outside when it's dark to light fires and smoke meat
05:55 <Halcyon> And not just dick... actual tasty meats
06:12 <Ampera> we niggas smokin penises over here, no homo
06:33 <Halcyon> Actually it's just past midnight there, you'll be right ;)
07:06 <Halcyon> I'm actually really looking forward to the day I meat you proper Ampera
07:12 <Halcyon> Whether it's here or there
07:19 * Ampera eyes the word "meat"
07:21 <Halcyon> Errr meet
07:22 <Halcyon> ROFL
07:26 <Ampera> do you know something about me that I don't know that you know?
07:33 <Halcyon> Wow, that was completely unintentional... penis on the brain
07:36 <Ampera> because now you've got me excited
07:49 <Ampera> that's a legit joke like you wouldn't even imagine
07:59 <Ampera> maybe one day I'll explain why
08:06 <Ampera> you got any plans to come to the US any time soon?
08:07 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/rGcgVYQ.png (also, steve30)
08:13 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOE-q20RcDM
08:30 <Halcyon> No plans, but who knows?
08:55 <Ampera> if you do, avoid oregon
08:57 <steve30> coffee :D
09:32 <Halcyon> I'll be going there first to collect you, so you can teach me how to drive on the incorrect side of the road... then we're going to gatecrash T3sl4's place
09:51 <Ampera> I got a car now, so I could actually do that
10:00 <Ampera> if you feel like driving a boat
10:16 <Halcyon> One of those big old 3 metre wide American saloons?
12:00 <Ampera> https://cdn.row52.com/images/0b98d8f7-aaac-486d-80c7-d66a4a955398.JPG
12:07 <Ampera> This is it, just grey
12:12 <Ampera> and slightly different trim
12:13 <Halcyon> Ah nice
12:40 <Halcyon> Ill be back soon, need to re-load the dishwasher
12:45 <Ampera> http://smclassiccars.com/buick/218170-1993-buick-regal-custom-46k-low-miles-excellent-condition-florid-car-no-reserve.html
12:48 <Ampera> Actually almost exactly this car
13:24 <Ampera> only difference is that mine has media controls on the steering wheel
13:55 <Ampera> and I have the 3.8L V6
14:48 <desu> i have a ferrari
15:00 <Ampera> desu, I thought you said you weren't gay
15:10 <Ampera> if that's so, then why do you have literally the gayest car a man could buy?
15:19 <desu> i thought i was a women?
15:59 <Ampera> fucking tranny scum
16:01 <Ampera> lol
16:12 <Ampera> you change your gender more than you change your damn shirt
17:20 <T3sl4> "fucking tranny" assume they're actually getting any action tho
17:37 <desu> that's true
17:39 <desu> i am a virgin
17:45 <Ampera> a virgin and a tranny
17:47 <Ampera> man you're sad
17:50 <desu> sex is gross man
17:56 <Ampera> so are you
17:58 <Ampera> cunt
18:05 <desu> rude
18:13 <desu> you're a cunt and a faggot.
18:18 <Ampera> you're a filthy jew
18:33 <desu> i am not
18:52 <Ampera> YOU, MY BIG NOSED FRIEND, ARE A KIKE
19:05 <desu> oy vey
19:14 <steve30> right, i think i'll pop outside for a bit
19:37 * T3sl4 follows steve30 for some fresh air
19:52 * Ampera tags along, decides it's better than remaining with desu
20:21 <steve30> ooh, company
20:31 <desu> ;-;
20:44 <Ampera> if I were to step outside for fresh air, I'd probably get gangbanged
21:03 <Halcyon> Cool
21:15 <Ampera> by police, it's after curfew
21:15 <T3sl4> get a breast of fresh air
21:23 <Ampera> man I wish I had breasts
21:25 <T3sl4> Ampera, you're not black tho
21:30 <T3sl4> wait, don't you?
21:35 <Ampera> uh
21:36 <Ampera> no
21:45 <T3sl4> not gynecomastia?
21:47 <desu> Ampera hasn't taken the tranny pill yet
21:56 <Halcyon> But Ampera, you aren't black?
21:59 <Ampera> desu, even if I did, it wouldn't
22:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, curfew applies to white people too
22:20 <Halcyon> Are you serious about the curfew thing?
22:21 <desu> pathetic
22:26 <Ampera> dead serious
22:35 <Ampera> city has a curfew
22:35 <Halcyon> And you say we have stupid laws
22:41 <Ampera> for under 18's
22:45 <desu> land of the free
23:08 <Ampera> exists only in this city, has tons of exceptions, and generally isn't enforced unless it's needed
23:15 <Halcyon> You might not be able to walk outside with a knife for absolutely no reason here, but at least we can go outside... at night time! Woooo!
23:31 <Ampera> so can I
23:35 <T3sl4> buh, i'm getting hungry
23:39 <Ampera> well, next year anyways
23:43 <Ampera> there's nothing preventing me
23:45 <T3sl4> i'm going to wash my hands of this metalwork i've been doing, then have a pork taco
23:52 <Halcyon> Mmmm pork
24:04 <Halcyon> I wish you could pork me too T3sl4
24:11 <Ampera> but there are undoubtedly poorer areas in Australia that you, police or not, would not care to stroll down unarmed and alone with valuables at night
24:14 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind getting my face into your taco
24:26 <Halcyon> Of course there are
24:27 <Ampera> HAH, YOU'RE STRAIGHT
24:33 <Ampera> oh, that reminds me Halcyon
24:38 <Halcyon> His man taco Ampera
24:44 <Halcyon> AKA Man cunt
24:50 <Halcyon> Yessum?
25:04 <desu> disgusting
25:08 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5dKZjUr6xM, Halcyon
25:15 <Halcyon> Only if he is hairy :P
25:32 <Halcyon> Oh wow
25:33 <Halcyon> Just wow
25:42 <Ampera> this is a fucking awesome song, I love it
25:52 <Ampera> it's fucking hilarious
26:04 <Halcyon> I'm going back to my kitchen :P
26:11 <Ampera> homophobe
27:30 <Ampera> To talk honestly for a moment, I might not end up go through with transitioning.
28:01 <Ampera> Honestly the loss of my mom really makes dealing with these issues tons harder, and I've got so much going on in my life that could be so hurt by what I might do, I might just have to stop it here and forever.
29:57 <Ampera> not sure how I'd handle that, but I can't help but constantly feel like it might never work, and that things would be so much easier if I didn't act on my feelings
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34:24 <Halcyon> You don't have to do anything now Ampera
34:30 <Halcyon> There is always time
34:57 <Ampera> For myself I have to, there needs to be a time and place for everything within my life
35:11 <Ampera> within things that have different priorities, running under risks I can analyze.
35:51 <Ampera> All I can see now is that the state of transgender medicine is deplorable. The community is horrific, and the therapists are greedy and tribalistic.
36:34 <Ampera> It would take a /tremendous/ amount of work on my life, stealing time and money from improving my position in life and myself as a person, with a good chance of me never attaining any goal I would set out for myself, with a literally life ending risk
37:28 <Ampera> I have lost the largest form of support I ever had for my issues, and I feel like I can't find another person who I genuinely can trust to help me make my life decisions, and explore my own mind.
37:46 <Ampera> and all I would end up doing by trying is draining resources I could be using to help myself grow up and become successful
38:39 <Ampera> ffs Halcyon I need input
40:16 <Ampera> I feel like I've already started to waste so much of my life sitting here and pining away for a thing that will never happen, when I could have been outside, with my arms and legs, doing work that could have made me money, experience, and connections.
41:08 <Ampera> and maybe my mom's mental collapse is enough to get me to snap out of this stupid fantasy that I've been deluding myself with, with gains that are nebulous, and means that are even moreso.
42:11 <Ampera> I have a mind and body that can do so much, and I could be about to throw it away for something that will never gain me satisfaction in my life, and could even be all some sick fetish I've doped myself with.
42:44 <Ampera> It could be just like the alcohol my mom drinks herself to her own mental death with
53:07 <Halcyon> I'm back
53:16 <Ampera> I have a block of text for you to read
53:42 <Halcyon> I'm reading
54:07 <Halcyon> <Ampera> I have a mind and body that can do so much
54:12 <Halcyon> I am SO happy to hear you say that
54:22 <Halcyon> This is what I've been saying all along!
54:37 <Halcyon> Those were basically my words to Dave about you
55:02 <Ampera> The thing is I still have limits, I need to place my resources where they will profit for me
55:17 <Halcyon> I think the problem is that life fell apart for you at a fairly young age, but not "too young". You've always had that safety blanket around you and now that's diminished.
55:21 <Ampera> and while mental health isn't unimportant, I've questioned my own interpretations all along
55:35 <Halcyon> It's scary but you've already becoming fairly self-sufficient. It's not a bad things.
55:37 <Halcyon> *thing
55:40 <Ampera> It's the strangest feeling, being in a position where life is truly yours.
55:52 <Ampera> It's a feelings I've felt before, I know what it is, but I haven't in a long time.
56:13 <Ampera> It's one I've gotten when placed in a position of responsibility on my own, but now, genuinely, my actions reflect on my own person, and no others.
56:20 <Ampera> There is nobody else to catch me.
56:30 <Halcyon> I do think though that you spend a lot of time either here or on your hobbies. Surely there is some way you can make money from it
56:49 <Ampera> I need to get back my ethos to work.
57:12 <Ampera> There were times when I had endless devotion to a task, my attention span was immense, I could see my thoughts, and how the fabric of understanding unveiled itself within my mind
57:17 <Halcyon> Have you thought about making videos? I know Youtube isn't really lucrative, but people have gotten sponsorships for stupid shit
57:19 <Ampera> but I cannot do that by staring at a computer.
57:44 <Ampera> No, I need to get out of my element to wake up. I need a task I can feel with my hands and see with my eyes.
57:48 <Halcyon> For example, Fran herself being trans basically made the most of her situation
57:50 <Halcyon> People love her
57:51 <Ampera> I need to tire my body, not my fingers.
58:03 <Halcyon> Go dig some holes then
58:16 <Halcyon> Be a garbage collector, you're fucking up early enough
58:23 <Halcyon> But seriously, you're brain is too good for that
58:33 <Ampera> The thing is this world is so dynamic, but I've not genuinely tried to grab it and make work of it.
58:50 <Ampera> There are jobs everywhere, people who would even take free work, if it meant something to me.
59:06 <Ampera> A job might not be a career, but a means to start one.
59:14 <Halcyon> What's stopping you from doing a video on what you basically do for fun? Do a Pentium Pro build or something
59:20 <Halcyon> Then talk about your Linux shit
59:28 <Halcyon> Jobs have started with way simpler ideas
59:32 <Ampera> Well for the longest time space
59:36 <Ampera> I didn't have a location to film.
59:46 <Ampera> My equipment isn't great, but I have a camera that can work
59:53 <Halcyon> Sounds more like excuses Ampera
00:03 <Ampera> No, I /didn't/ have a place to film
00:05 <Halcyon> Look at Big clive, he uses his phone and films at a bench
00:13 <Ampera> you've not seen our house, we didn't even have a bench.
00:36 <Ampera> I think I might do something weird, though.
00:45 <Halcyon> You even have a name, why not register Amp Syndication as a Youtube brand?
00:54 <Ampera> There are car shops all around where I live, people with smarts, and mechanics.
01:01 <Halcyon> Mmmm ... ?
01:10 <Ampera> I should get up, walk over, and ask them if they need a hand.
01:17 <Halcyon> With?
01:19 <Ampera> legit, just go up and ask if they want help
01:25 <Ampera> doesn't matter, if I can do it, it's work
01:29 <Ampera> something to focus me
01:32 <Halcyon> That's not a bad idea
01:49 <Halcyon> I'm sure once they work out you're an IT nerd, you'll be doing all sorts of fixings for them
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02:43 <Ampera> Lol, that's an uptown view if I've ever heard one.
03:21 <Ampera> There are people all around, yards and lots full of things I can put my hands in, even if I don't make money
03:25 <Ampera> I will gain something
03:38 <Halcyon> Yeh you will
03:53 <Halcyon> What about a butcher? You love playing with meat
04:06 <Ampera> Not possible
04:07 <Ampera> liability
04:15 <Halcyon> ?
04:25 <Ampera> Under the table car shop is stretching it
04:37 <Halcyon> Liability for what?
04:44 <Ampera> nobody is going to let some random 17 year old walk in and start playing with big knives and sterile meat
05:02 <Halcyon> Why not?
05:08 <Halcyon> Maybe not straight away
05:10 <Halcyon> But it's something
05:29 <Ampera> Because those places are the ones where government breathes down their neck
05:33 <Halcyon> And if you're an employee/intern/work experience, their liability insurance covers you.
05:35 <Ampera> If I ran a butcher, I wouldn't hire /anyone/ under 21
05:40 <Ampera> lol
05:45 <Ampera> not in a butcher shop
05:56 <desu> my father was a butcher
06:04 <Ampera> Maybe if I had a connection, but I'm not eagre to take up work in culinary.
06:17 <Ampera> If I work on cars, then I get experience doing it, I can apply my mind, and I can translate that into fixing up my car
06:47 <Halcyon> Well it's worth a shot
06:57 <Ampera> I'm actually starting to build a tad of a tools collection.
07:05 <Ampera> My dad has equipment, but I recently acquired a bench grinder
07:24 <Halcyon> Nice
07:37 <Halcyon> I wish you lived here, I have a garage full of shit I never use
08:05 <Ampera> I wish you lived here, because then I could use your garage full of shit, and carry a knife on the street
08:06 <Halcyon> The problem with donating it to you now is, fucking expensive and 230 volts
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08:15 <Ampera> I have step up converters
08:23 <Halcyon> Well you see, I already have the shit... if I moved, I won't be bringing it with me
08:45 <Ampera> though if you mean power gear, that would need manual modding to get it to be practical
09:47 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/c75gda/me_finally_giving_up_on_tinder_and_accepting_im/
09:51 <Halcyon> Honestly Ampera, have you thought about working in another country such as here? I know you love Germany, but at least here, you would have a place to stay.
10:06 <Halcyon> There are jobs everywhere
10:12 <Ampera> I was thinking about it right now, but it wouldn't be a great move for about 8 years
10:29 <Halcyon> Some Aussies are just slack arses, but there are industries screaming for workers.
10:46 <Halcyon> ROFL T3sl4
10:51 <Halcyon> Pretty accurate
11:51 <Ampera> I have picked up streaming again a bit, which is easy enough for me to do
11:57 <Halcyon> Why 8 years?
12:03 <Ampera> College
12:30 <Halcyon> You can't study abroad?
12:37 <Ampera> not for free
12:44 <Halcyon> Mmm fair call
12:56 <Ampera> 4 years doing it 4 years paying it back
12:58 <Halcyon> Will it honestly give you an advantage though vs. the time spent doing it?
13:55 <Ampera> It depends on what I want to do with my life.
14:42 <Halcyon> Well, speaking for experience, work experience speaks louder than a bit of paper
14:54 <Halcyon> I started at 13, but you aren't that much older
14:55 <Ampera> That's why I work while I am in college
15:07 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
15:23 <Halcyon> My first job was for an ISP that was run out of a garage :)
15:33 <Halcyon> A few ISDN lines was the backbone
15:45 <Ampera> I'm in for Science and Math for the next two years. During that time I need to find myself.
16:30 <Ampera> I know what I need to do. I need to make work my hobby. I need to find productive tasks I enjoy doing, because I know there are some, and that I can enjoy doing it.
16:50 <Halcyon> Well, like I said, do some videos, I'd watch
16:57 <Halcyon> ESPECIALLY a Pentium Pro build
17:03 <Halcyon> I haven't seen one of those for many years
17:09 <Ampera> Would a 486 build be better?
17:09 <ibiza> Halcyon, hai
17:11 <ibiza> what isp?
17:14 <Halcyon> They are very uncommon
17:15 <ibiza> adam? lol
17:16 <Ampera> *acceptable
17:29 <Halcyon> Ibiza: Nah it was a small local one. All dial-up
17:39 <ibiza> remember free.net.au and goconnect
17:44 <Halcyon> Meh 486 is boring, everyone does those
17:51 <Halcyon> Vaguely
18:04 <Ampera> Alright I'll do my Pentium Pro. I will start later today.
18:05 <Halcyon> I remember One.Tel
18:05 <Halcyon> :P
18:12 <ibiza> one net :p
18:32 <Halcyon> That would be awesome Ampera. Even do it in a few parts
18:48 <Halcyon> Don't bite off too much, just talk about the hardware in the first part. 10 minutes is heaps.
18:58 <ibiza> https://web.archive.org/web/20000620150405/http://www.free.net.au/content/join.html
19:06 <Halcyon> Even if you voice-over parts like 8-bit guy does
19:22 <Ampera> I know what to do.
19:25 <Halcyon> I'll see if I can find the place I worked for...
19:25 <Ampera> I might start work on it now.
20:18 <Halcyon> Bahahah yes! https://web.archive.org/web/19961225003658/http://www.mania.com.au/
20:46 <Ampera> I LOVE IT
20:50 <Ampera> It's so tiny on my monitor
20:53 <Ampera> wait wait wait
20:55 <Ampera> Halcyon,
20:59 <Halcyon> Mmmm?
21:36 <Ampera> give me a second, you'll love this
22:10 <Halcyon> Hah
22:11 <Halcyon> https://web.archive.org/web/19980117085758/http://www.computer.mania.com.au/products/modem.html
22:21 <Halcyon> Those were the days. 33.6K modem, $159
23:05 <Ampera> wait while windows does a free space scan on a 300GB hard drive e.e
23:14 <Ampera> starting to regret choosing this one
23:24 <Halcyon> :P
23:39 <Halcyon> You installing Windows 95 or something?
23:49 <Ampera> no, booting it
23:58 <Halcyon> Why does it need to do a scan?
24:04 <Ampera> because there was a power outage
24:13 <Ampera> and FAT32
24:18 <Halcyon> Ah
24:22 <Ampera> aka wtf is a journal
24:43 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system
24:44 <Halcyon> ?
25:09 <Ampera> yes, aka not FAT32
25:15 <Halcyon> NFI then
25:24 <Ampera> no I mean this has FAT32 on it
25:27 <Ampera> and then lost power while running
25:41 <Ampera> it has no journal, being FAT32, so need to be fixed since it wasn't safely unmounted
25:54 <Halcyon> I think that's just a default thing
26:05 <Halcyon> There was no option to skip it?
26:25 <Ampera> there is, but you shouldn't
26:28 <Ampera> as it will fix shit that's broken
26:53 <Halcyon> It'll probably just create a bunch of .CHK files for orphaned data
28:22 <Halcyon> By the way, thanks for your Chernobyl series... I ended up downloading the 1080P versions though
28:36 <Ampera> well
28:38 <Ampera> blame DHess_US
28:39 <Ampera> :P
28:41 <Halcyon> :P
28:46 <Halcyon> Fucking useless DHess_US
28:53 <Ampera> no, he's a good guy
28:56 <Halcyon> I know :P
29:15 <Ampera> fucking useless
29:20 <Ampera> your ISP's site doesn't load on IE3
29:20 <Halcyon> Do you want an invite to IP Torrents Amps?
29:22 <Halcyon> I have 2 left
29:46 <Ampera> nah, I'll stick to TBP
29:51 <Halcyon> Suit yourself
29:53 <Ampera> for the never I torrent things
30:14 <Halcyon> I will continue to download until it becomes illegal here :P
30:23 <Ampera> it already is here
30:25 <Ampera> which is why I don't do it
30:32 <Halcyon> Stupid laws :P
30:39 <Ampera> at least I can carry a knife
30:41 <Halcyon> Our Government is just too stupid
30:43 <Ampera> and a gun
30:48 <Halcyon> They still think DNS blocking is effective
30:55 <Halcyon> Even though it's not mandatory for every ISP to implement it
31:08 <Ampera> downloading IE5 over a 10BASE-T link
31:16 <Halcyon> How fast?
31:20 <Ampera> 10BASE-T
31:25 <Halcyon> Yes but actual speeds
31:28 <Halcyon> Fucking genius
31:29 <Ampera> 10mbps
31:39 <Halcyon> That's not bad then
31:59 <Ampera> now to 7z extract those files
32:02 <Halcyon> I remember it being much slower, but my memories of 10Mbps Ethernet was mostly coax
32:31 <Ampera> well it's off a GbE link, with the server being on the same switch as it
32:55 <Ampera> decompressing speed of 800KB/s
33:01 <Halcyon> Actually Coax was awesome, twisted pair back then was shit
33:12 <Halcyon> The collisions slowed things down
33:21 <Halcyon> These days with switches, yeh I'd expect it to be much better
36:14 <Ampera> Dealing with grandpa computer over here, standby
44:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you know the guy who programmed that website for your ISP?
44:16 <Ampera> like still know him
44:30 <Halcyon> Nah, haven't been in contact with him for about 15 years
44:37 <Halcyon> Why
44:42 <Halcyon> I know people who know him
44:50 <Ampera> Well if you ever come in contact with him
44:56 <Ampera> let him know that his site doesn't work on Internet Explorer
45:04 <Halcyon> Hahah will do :P
45:18 <Ampera> and that I am very displeased about that
45:23 <Halcyon> I think it's because he was a Unix/Linux guy
45:43 <Ampera> you seriously gonna make me install netscape?
45:44 <Halcyon> He wrote his own accounting system for the ISP called SNAS (Simple Network Accounting System)
46:27 <Halcyon> Make sure it's Nutscrape 3.0 Gold :)
46:28 <Ampera> the webpage is so chock full of javascript, IE3 loaded it, but displayed no images, and IE5 just noped on just trying to load i t
46:41 <Halcyon> The images could be broken due to archiving too
47:55 <Ampera> no they work fine on chromium
47:59 <Ampera> they're just too new for IE3
06:48 * steve30 returns from outside
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13:33 <Halcyon> I'm watching the first episode of Chernobyl
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22:15 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I love how this engineer saved SkyLab https://t.co/Lem6WZjfRY
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10:02 <Halcyon> So, Trumpy Trump stepped food in North Korea
10:11 <Halcyon> I wonder how many guns were pointed at Fatso
10:22 <Halcyon> *foot
10:46 <Halcyon> “Stepping across that line is a great honour, great progress has been made, great friendships have been made and this has been, in particular, a great friendship,”
10:52 <Halcyon> Does anyone actually buy that?!
11:37 <desu> in the DMZ?
11:42 <desu> or did he actually go to pyongyang
11:58 <Halcyon> In the DMZ
12:02 <desu> lame
12:44 <Halcyon> Nevermind, Fatso will eat himself to death sooner rather than later
12:47 <Halcyon> Problem solved
14:39 <desu> i didn't mean i wanted him to be killed
14:57 <Halcyon> I'm talking about Kim Jong Un
15:02 <Halcyon> The bloke is insane
15:41 <desu> oh
15:51 <desu> maybe
15:58 <desu> he's better than the other kims though
16:07 <Halcyon> True
16:30 <Halcyon> Anyway, din dins. Back later
30:00 <steve30> I've gone tired. I need another coffee.
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48:47 <Halcyon> Haha what time is it Steve?
50:34 <Halcyon> Nice, they are increasing the fines for using a mobile phone while driving :)
50:46 <Halcyon> I hope all the other states follow suit
55:12 <steve30> 0903
55:20 <Halcyon> YAY!
55:35 <Halcyon> Although I wish it were Sunday morning again :( I have work tomorrow
56:24 <steve30> I've got to go to Grandma's this morning.
04:57 <DHess_US> Halcyon, what does iptorrents have?
05:30 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/3OPRpIN.jpg
17:00 <Halcyon> DHess_US, heaps, want an invite?
17:13 <DHess_US> yes please
17:19 <Halcyon> PM me your email
34:36 <DogWomble> Halcyon, I hear ya, doing some extra hours tomorrow
34:46 <Halcyon> Mm?
35:14 <DogWomble> thinking about it being sunday morning again :P
35:24 <Halcyon> Oh right
35:26 <DogWomble> but throwing in a few extra hours at work :)
35:29 <Halcyon> Yeh don't wanna
38:14 <DHess_US> I get to spend more time fixing a door. Deadbolt was not installed correctly.
38:29 <DHess_US> screws all stripped, strike plate surface mounted, etc.
38:35 <Halcyon> DHess_US, did you see my PM ?
38:45 <DHess_US> I responded
38:59 <Halcyon> Oh, didn't see it
39:14 <Halcyon> Check your status tab
39:25 <DHess_US> status tab?
39:46 <Halcyon> The bit with all the server messages
40:13 <Halcyon> I'd say your PMs aren't getting through due to the unregistered nick
40:22 <DHess_US> Oh, yup.
40:34 <DHess_US> well, fixing it
40:41 <DHess_US> This may take a minute.
40:48 <Halcyon> No worries ;)
42:02 <DHess_US> Figuring it out
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43:19 <Keanu> whoa
43:26 <Halcyon> ?
44:52 <DHess_US> Ok, nick registered. Did you get my PM this time?
45:08 <Halcyon> Yup
45:11 <Halcyon> Invite sent
45:51 <DHess_US> Got it
46:03 <Halcyon> Just keep your upload ratio up. They do have some free leach torrents too (which don't count to your quota)
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46:13 <DHess_US> That shouldn't be a problem.
46:15 <DHess_US> Thanks
50:13 <DHess_US> So many passwords and names.
51:31 <Halcyon> That's what KeePass is for :P
51:54 <DHess_US> Well, that was easy. I was expecting it to say that name was taken.
52:07 <Halcyon> \o/
55:53 <damian> \o\ heyyy
55:56 <damian> /o/ hoooo
56:14 <Halcyon> Sup damian
56:17 <damian> not much
56:19 <damian> not much at all
56:21 <damian> im sleepy
56:31 <Halcyon> Me too, but it's too early
56:34 <DHess_US> "No seeding from cell phones or any mobile device." - I wonder why.
56:49 <Halcyon> Probably because of CG-NAT
56:52 <damian> i just woke up from a nap
56:55 <Halcyon> Causes problems with incoming connections
56:59 <damian> this weekend has been so bad for my sleep patterns, haha
59:54 <DHess_US> Halcyon, could be but most VPNs are through NAT now also.
00:06 <DHess_US> Only some VPNs will forward a port.
00:13 <Halcyon> *shrug* No idea
00:23 <Halcyon> It was just a guess
00:44 <DHess_US> Mobile aren't as reliable. Maybe that is it.
01:00 <Halcyon> Cell is more reliable that fixed wire here
01:06 <Halcyon> *than
01:29 <Halcyon> Maybe the constantly changing IPs causes issues, I don't know?
01:50 <Halcyon> Perhaps it doesn't account for uploads properly
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07:18 <DHess_US> Same applies to many VPNs though.
07:27 <DHess_US> Some change IP regularly
08:23 <DHess_US> I upgraded my 1999 hardware m0n0wall router out last week to pfsense running on 2002 hardware so I could stick an always on VPN connection on the router.
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08:59 <DHess_US> Haven't quite got that far though. I'm having doubt that the 2002 hardware is fast enough.
09:32 <DHess_US> FreeBSD says it is a 1.2GHz Pentium4 which doesn't seem right. I thought it was 2.4GHz or something.
10:03 <Halcyon> Dual core?
10:14 <DHess_US> No. Single core and no hyperthreading.
10:18 <Halcyon> Weird
10:49 <DHess_US> Now, 1.2 GHz Pentium 4s did exist but I'm going to have to verify what CPU is actually installed some other way.
11:12 <DHess_US> I'm thinking maybe FreeBSD is reporting the minimum clock speed when there is no load.
11:45 <DHess_US> I wanted to use the box as a VLAN router but if it is only a 1.2 GHz Pentium 4, that won't be fast enough.
12:35 <Halcyon> I think you'd get away with it
12:47 <DHess_US> I have some other hardware I might use. A dual 600MHz Pentium 3, a Pentium 4 2.4C, a Barton Athlon
12:58 <Halcyon> It's VPNs which normally use a lot of resources
13:01 <Halcyon> VLANs not so much
13:19 <DHess_US> VLANs do when you want to route Gigabit Ethernet.
13:30 <Halcyon> Even still
13:45 <Halcyon> You're only switching traffic
13:51 <Halcyon> Applying some rules
13:52 <DHess_US> Probably the safe thing to do is setup the VLAN and test it.
14:19 <Halcyon> For example, I have 4 VLANs set up and currently my pfSense box is averaging at 180 MHz CPU usage
14:29 <DHess_US> What CPU?
14:41 <DHess_US> And is that with real traffic?
15:25 <Halcyon> It's what I use at home
15:28 <Halcyon> As a production server
15:32 <DHess_US> I know my old 450 MHz P3 couldn't do it. It could maybe get 100 MB/sec
15:46 <DHess_US> err, 100 Mb/sec
16:01 <Halcyon> It's an ESXi box, I have 4 cores dedicated to it
16:06 <DHess_US> Even routing my internet at 30 Mb/sec took like 1/3rd of the CPU
16:39 <Halcyon> Weird
16:44 <Halcyon> Mine ticks along at bugger all
16:52 <DHess_US> Unfortunately FreeBSD won't identify the exact CPU.
16:55 <Halcyon> Ooop, it went up to 383 MHz just then :P
17:27 <Halcyon> Let me copy something from one VLAN to another...
18:21 <DHess_US> I get about 30MB/sec or 300Mb/sec going to my RAID5 server volumes. But I can saturate at 100MB/sec to a single drive.
18:27 <Halcyon> 110MB/sec, CPU on pfSense is at 849 MHz
18:35 <Halcyon> Peaking at 1.3 GHz
18:36 <DHess_US> Well, and reading is full speed and saturates Gigabit ethernet.
18:51 <DHess_US> This is a Pentium 4 though. They are slower per MHz.
19:03 <DHess_US> Which is why I suspect the dual 600MHz P3 could actually be faster.
19:04 <Halcyon> Yeh, this is a Xeon machine
19:27 <DHess_US> I have a dual 900MHz Xeon P3 but I have better uses for it.
20:18 <DHess_US> The Athon Barton box would be a good choice. It's my fastest single core system. It has a mobile Barton so it overclocks like crazy.
20:18 <Halcyon> The way ESXi measures it is a bit odd. I have 13.2 GHz of CPU capacity available in total
20:37 <DHess_US> And I don't have any better use for it.
20:55 <DHess_US> It used to be my gaming machine before the nForce MB quit. Fucking nVidia.
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23:11 <DHess_US> So many decisions. Testing the VLAN performance before doing a lot more unneccessary work is the way to go.
23:38 <Halcyon> Yeh for sure
24:03 <DHess_US> FreeBSD took like 2 hours to do a full update. It took so long I thought it crashed.
24:15 <Halcyon> Been a while has it? :P
24:25 <DHess_US> The system is running on a 4GB CF card which is actually pretty fast compared to a USB drive.
24:37 <DHess_US> New install of older pfsense
24:46 <DHess_US> 3.5.2 is the last pfsense which runs on 32 bit hardware
25:22 <DogWomble> i've been meaning to check out pfsense
25:25 <DHess_US> If *that* becomes a problem, then I'll have to buy some new hardware like a Athlon 200GE.
26:16 <DHess_US> I guess I do have one 64 bit systerm which would work but it is currently tasked with other things so I would have to replace it which is the plan also.
26:38 <DHess_US> But I want to get pfsense running with VLAN and VPN first.
27:29 <DHess_US> I haven't used pfsense in a long time. I switched to m0n0wall back when pfsense didn't support IPv6 but m0n0wall did.
28:06 <DogWomble> at the moment, i'm just running with an asus router
28:32 <DHess_US> I saw a really nice cnsumer router the other day but imo they all suck.
28:44 <DHess_US> I haven't used one in 20 years.
29:03 <DogWomble> yeah, i just try and keep things simple here
29:45 <DHess_US> Yea, pfsense was a little bit of a challenge to get running but only because I had to transfer some of my m0n0wall config over for DHCP and stuff.
29:59 <Halcyon> Yeh it is a little different to some firewalls
30:07 <Halcyon> I prefer it
30:34 <DHess_US> Had to program the DHCP to give out specific IPs to some network devices like the printer so the computers could find it.
30:48 <Halcyon> You don't use DNS for that stuff?
30:54 <DHess_US> Can't in some cases.
32:07 <DHess_US> Some old drivers expect raw IPs and won't do name resolution.
32:16 <Halcyon> Annoying
32:48 <DHess_US> But the DNS resolver on pfsense works really well.
33:04 <Halcyon> Although I thought it was up to the OS to provide the port (whether it's a host or IP), not the driver.
33:16 <Halcyon> I have an old Epson dot matrix driver routing to a hostname
33:22 <DHess_US> Driver for like a print server device
33:45 <Halcyon> Yep, even still, my dot matrix is connected to an old Axis print server
33:52 <DHess_US> Need to program some host names into the dns resolver also
34:00 <Halcyon> I also have a HP Jetdirect 175x on the network
34:23 <DHess_US> Actually, I'm not sure if or how to attach a host name to a device without assigning an IP also.
35:03 <Halcyon> Well the easiest way if the device itself doesn't register on DNS it to do it via a static reservation in pfSense DHCP
35:16 <Halcyon> You can also specify a hostname and it will automatically register on the DNS Resolver
35:55 <Halcyon> You are right
36:06 <Halcyon> The DHCP and DNS Resolver are quite powerful in pfsense
38:43 <DHess_US> Yea, so I can.
38:45 <DHess_US> "If an IPv4 address is entered, the address must be outside of the pool.
38:45 <DHess_US> If no IPv4 address is given, one will be dynamically allocated from the pool."
38:53 <Halcyon> Yup
39:03 <Halcyon> So you can still have dynamic IPs but with a static mapping
39:09 <DHess_US> So in any case, I can assign a host name to a MAC without assigning an IP.
39:13 <Halcyon> Correct
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39:33 <Halcyon> It works very very well
39:35 <DHess_US> Or override a host name
40:10 <Halcyon> You can do host override too. I have one or two devices on my network which has a fixed hostname which doesn't conform to my standard and there is no way of changing it
40:33 <DHess_US> m0n0wall doesn't allow that.
40:47 <DHess_US> If you want to assign a host name, then you must assign a static IP also.
41:02 <Halcyon> If you're new to pfsense, may I suggest one of Tom Lawrence
41:05 <Halcyon> 's videos...
41:18 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfZPOO2nu5g
41:24 <DHess_US> I'm not new to pfsense. pfsense is a fork of m0n0wall
41:38 <Halcyon> It's a bit old, but still mostly relevant. Even I picked up a few things.
41:51 <DHess_US> I was using pfsense bevore it reached 1.0 but switched back to m0n0wall for ipv6 support.
41:54 <Halcyon> Sorry this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrQrt8r_uYg
41:59 <Halcyon> The other one was the old UI
42:16 <Halcyon> I absolutely love it
42:23 <Halcyon> I tried monowall briefly, but didn't like it
42:37 <DHess_US> Really the only reason I going back to pfsense is that m0n0wall hasn't been maintained now for years and I want OpenVPN support.
43:13 <DHess_US> The old pfsense traffic shaper wasn't very good either. I am hoping that has changed.
43:32 <Halcyon> I haven
43:35 <DHess_US> m0n0wall used Dummynet which was primitive but at least it worked.
43:38 <Halcyon> Dammit, can't tyupe
43:41 <Halcyon> I haven't used it yet
45:02 <DHess_US> Dummynet is actually really hackish if you play online games. You can dial in "delay" for incoming and outgoning packs to increase your ping if you want.
45:15 <Halcyon> Why would you want that ?
45:48 <DHess_US> Because in some poorly designed network games, you can make your position lag for other players while their position does not.
46:01 <Halcyon> Right, I see
46:04 * Halcyon is not a gamer
46:15 <DHess_US> Not that I ever did that of course.
46:25 <DHess_US> But I know people who did.
47:24 <DHess_US> It is useful for doing network diagnostics. You can simulate latency and packet loss.
47:30 <Halcyon> *nod*
47:38 <Halcyon> Mark Furneaux does a good video on that
48:03 <Halcyon> I have no real need for QoS or traffic shaping (yet)
51:46 <DHess_US> It helps performance on any saturated link.
52:03 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't have that issue on my home network
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