// #eevblog — 2019-06-23
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01:31:06 <DHess_US> Check the Q&A, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F5Q5T4/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
01:33:30 <rust_collector> perfect
01:33:32 <steve30> :D
04:32:55 <DHess_US> 'It's too rainy, flooded, and thunderstormy today to go to Home Depot. I'll go tomorrow." *checks tomorrow's weather* "Fuck."
04:42:18 <rust_collector> I am just done fixing a 2003 chrysler voyager. It has a "new" transmission. ownder is going to pick it up, and drive the thing to rome tomorrow
04:42:41 <rust_collector> good luck mrs owner...
04:51:54 <rust_collector> heh, google says it is just 24xx km, or 1500-ish miles
04:51:59 <rust_collector> she might make it
04:53:14 <DHess_US> The cruise control on my 1997 Nissan quit. I was going to mess with it today and test it on the way to Home Depot.
04:53:35 <DHess_US> But it is too rainy, flooded, and thunderstormy.
04:54:11 <rust_collector> do you get any weird stuff on the diagnostics? or is there anything else that does not work?
04:54:27 <DHess_US> 1500 miles so 5 fuel fill ups? Yea, I wouldn't do that until I was sure the repairs are good.
04:54:58 <rust_collector> I would probably not do that in any chrysler minivan with an auto box
04:55:07 <DHess_US> No, just the cruise control. It powers up but won't engage if if you engage it before powering up, the light flashes. So all stearing wheel buttons check out.
04:55:44 <DHess_US> Vacuum line might have fallen off. I cleaned all of the engine connectors a couple weeks ago trying to fix a problem.
04:56:04 <rust_collector> yeah, it is probably something stupid
04:56:19 <DHess_US> I changed the fuel injectors last winter after one failed open. Since then, the engine misses for about 15 seconds when started cold.
04:56:45 <DHess_US> I'm thinking that the mass air flow sensor is sticking.
04:57:29 <DHess_US> But I'm checking the easy stuff first. I need to pick up a service manual and ODB II scanner before messing with it too much.
04:57:35 <rust_collector> 97 nissan, it is not one of those weird film type maf sensors?
04:57:42 <DHess_US> !clue
04:57:59 <DHess_US> I think it has a big vane.
04:58:23 <rust_collector> wow, I thought those died in the early 90's
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04:59:30 <DHess_US> You tell me, https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61rRDFLPK4L._SX466_.jpg
05:00:09 <rust_collector> well, I think I would try to hook up some diagnostic thing, and see what that says, and probably clean the idle air valve and/or throttle body
05:00:16 <DHess_US> It could be an ignition problem but I just put new plugs in.
05:00:20 <DHess_US> There is no throttle body
05:00:46 <rust_collector> looks like a film or wire type sensor, I think
05:01:01 <rust_collector> from this angle, anyway, lol
05:01:01 <DHess_US> multiport fuel injeciton
05:01:10 <DHess_US> then it isn't the problem
05:01:10 <rust_collector> yeah...
05:01:27 <DHess_US> No engine light so I'm not hoping on much from the scanner.
05:01:46 <rust_collector> not to read codes, but if you can look at live data...
05:02:12 <DHess_US> Maybe. But it only runs rough for 10 or 15 seconds and it seems worse in cold weather.
05:02:45 <rust_collector> do you plan to keep this thing until you stop driving?
05:02:53 <DHess_US> Until it stops driving
05:03:06 <rust_collector> ok, then it should be fine, lol
05:03:08 <DHess_US> Until something breaks which isn't worth repairing.
05:04:52 <rust_collector> give it a 300 shot of nitrous when you get sick of the thing. it will break something
05:04:59 <DHess_US> I was hoping the rough starts would get worse making it easier to diagnose.
05:05:19 <rust_collector> right.
05:05:44 <DHess_US> If anything, it has gotten better.
05:07:00 <DHess_US> If I can't find anything, then I will work my way back through the ignition system.
05:07:37 <rust_collector> have you tried to prime the fuel system before starting it?
05:07:46 <DHess_US> Not sure how to.
05:08:14 <rust_collector> just turn the ignition on for a few seconds, without starting it, do that 2-3 times, then start it
05:08:25 <DHess_US> Oh, I'll try that next time.
05:08:35 <DHess_US> Fuel filter or pump?
05:09:21 <rust_collector> could be a leaking or sticking injector, or pressure regulator, or a check valve, or....
05:09:38 <DHess_US> If it is an injector I'll never find it until it fails.
05:09:51 <DHess_US> Unless the scanner can tell me which cylinder is missing.
05:10:50 <rust_collector> maybe. I have not done anything to a modern-isg nissan, but I assume you can get a misfire counter on each cylinder on them
05:10:58 <rust_collector> modern-ish
05:11:14 <DHess_US> dunno and even if it is available, I'd have to get a scanner which reports it.
05:11:45 <rust_collector> that is also a thing, yes
05:12:15 <DHess_US> And that would only narrow it down to one cylinder at best. It could still be the fuel injector or the ignition.
05:12:42 <rust_collector> right, but at least you can stop looking at all the cylinders
05:13:21 <DHess_US> Changing the fuel injectors in winter wasn't much fun. The only good news was I didn' thave to remove the intake manifold.
05:14:19 <rust_collector> I would think..... that it is fuel, as it clears up after a few seconds. Im my experience ignition things tend to just get worse
05:14:48 <rust_collector> or air...
05:14:57 <rust_collector> idle valve
05:15:54 <rust_collector> or some junk on the maf, or....iat sensor might be broken
05:16:13 <DHess_US> Can't be anything which would trigger the engine light.
05:16:46 <Ampera> eevblog time
05:16:46 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 05:25 Sydney time.
05:17:06 <Ampera> Halcyon in the same way you aren't now, I am now
05:19:59 <DHess_US> But on the good side, the VPN service I have been testing out works well.
05:20:44 <rust_collector> did you buy the little yellow travel router thing?
05:21:27 <DHess_US> No, I am going to retrofit an old Pentium 4 I have with PFSense and try that first because it should support policy routing.
05:22:49 <DHess_US> Using this service and it seems to work well. They have a low bandwidth free connection.
05:22:50 <DHess_US> https://cryptostorm.is/
05:23:34 <rust_collector> iceland is big on that sort of thing
05:23:51 <DHess_US> Yup, and the service is doing it right and supports the right features.
05:25:23 <DHess_US> If you pay, then it is uncapped and you can forward a port and you can select which server you want.
05:25:38 <DHess_US> And you can pay anonymously.
05:27:14 <DHess_US> I had to find an older version of pfsense. The current release doesn't support x86-32 anymore.
05:35:27 <desu> mullvad.se is another good one that allows you to pay with cash
05:35:38 <desu> although i'm not sure if they let you do that outside of sweden
05:36:40 <desu> mullvad.net*
05:36:46 <desu> hmm i remember it being .se
05:37:20 <desu> they even support wireguard which is cool
05:39:43 <desu> cryptostorm seems way better though
05:39:47 <desu> nice
05:51:28 <DHess_US> I spend a day listing and studying all of the VPN services I could find.
05:51:41 <DHess_US> Last time I used StrongVPN which worked fine.
05:52:55 <DHess_US> But back then, they just gave you a routable IP. Now you have to pay extra for that and most services do not support it.
05:55:19 <rust_collector> I think I will take apart my old forklift charger, and have a look in there
05:58:52 <Ampera> I'm trying out Tic Tac gum, and it's awful
05:59:01 <Ampera> really weak gum
06:14:31 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/aN7Rbi5
06:15:13 <rust_collector> I don't think that is supposed to roll around in the charger, lol
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08:38:55 <damian> HI@!
08:40:01 * Halcyon1 mews loudly at Ampera
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08:42:22 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon
08:44:41 <Halcyon> YAY!
08:44:47 * Halcyon shares his coffee with Steve
08:50:57 <steve30> :p
08:51:20 <Halcyon> As long as you like it black :)
08:52:15 <desu> i love starbucks coffee
08:52:50 <Halcyon> I don't mind Starbucks, I don't know what American Starbucks is like, but in AU they do a decent coffee
08:53:07 <steve30> I prefer Costa
08:53:16 <desu> heh
08:53:21 <desu> i've never had chain coffee
08:53:41 <desu> chain store
08:53:44 <Halcyon> But you like Starbucks?
08:54:10 <desu> no i just said i did
08:54:15 <desu> maybe i do
08:54:18 <desu> i've never had it
08:54:23 <Halcyon> ... OK
08:55:55 <steve30> I went to a starbucks in the netherlands, which was nice
08:58:04 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
08:58:16 <Halcyon> Hey Amps
08:58:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon, with intent to suffocate
08:58:17 <Halcyon> Question...
08:58:23 <Ampera> answer...
08:58:35 <Halcyon> What the easiest way I can increase the swap space on my machine?
08:58:46 <Ampera> Linux?
08:58:47 <Halcyon> I'm pretty much running at 100% on both physical and virtual memory
08:58:58 <Ampera> what are you running
08:59:00 <Halcyon> Yeh, Fedora. I couldn't find any clear instructions for this version
08:59:13 <Ampera> do you have fdisk?
08:59:18 <Halcyon> Lemme see...
08:59:37 <Halcyon> I have to close some things :P Not enough memory to open Terminal
08:59:38 <Halcyon> :P
09:00:06 <Halcyon> Yes I do
09:00:15 <Ampera> alright, stand by
09:00:39 <DHess_US> American Starbucks? Imagine good coffee ... now burn it.
09:00:59 <Halcyon> That's disappointing DHess_US
09:01:05 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Parted
09:01:22 <Ampera> Get gparted (UI frontend), and install it onto some sort of live media
09:01:33 <DHess_US> Also Hersey's fake chocolate and canned whipped cream.
09:01:34 <Ampera> then use it to change partition sizes around, preferably with a backup available
09:01:58 <Halcyon> Aww I have to reboot?
09:02:00 <Halcyon> y
09:02:08 <Ampera> I mean you can try it without rebooting
09:02:19 <DHess_US> I've been to a number of coffee houses and used to regularly go to Dietricks but Starbucks is the worse.
09:02:24 <Halcyon> I was hoping to just do it running, temporarily stop using swap then increase it
09:02:25 <Ampera> but since you will be reducing the size of an actively mounted partition otherwise, it might be advisable to not
09:02:34 <Ampera> Swap is stored as a partition
09:02:45 <Halcyon> Hmm...
09:02:49 <Ampera> to add swap space you need to reduce the size of other partitions /or/ add a new drive and make a swap partition on that
09:03:09 <Ampera> It's not like a pagefile in Windows, it doesn't get stored inside another partition.
09:03:18 <Halcyon> Some guides use the swapoff command
09:03:23 <steve30> I made myself a rather nice cappuccino earlier :p
09:03:41 <Ampera> That's to disable swap temporarily, which won't help you if you need more and are at the limit already
09:04:06 <Halcyon> But if I'm going to unmount it, won't I want to disable it?
09:04:33 <Ampera> if you're gonna unmount it, you're gonna be doing it from another environment
09:04:47 <Halcyon> Gah, I'll just buy more RAM
09:04:51 <Ampera> since in order to expand the size you have to decrease the size of other partitions on the drive, like your root partition
09:05:12 <Ampera> alright let me give you some screenshots to explain
09:06:15 <Ampera> http://i.prntscr.com/vArzLi_SQq6GSMnOn5dGKQ.png This is my partition table
09:06:39 <Ampera> if you wanted /more/ swap on this table, you would have to decrease the size of the root partition and increase the size of the swap partition.
09:07:01 <Ampera> This is doable, but, if even possible, is not a great idea while the system is running, or at least while the root partition is mounted
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09:07:11 <Ampera> alright then
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09:08:09 <Halcyon> It's all good, I'll just close some of these hundreds of browser tabs I have open
09:09:19 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
09:09:30 <Ampera> that's what I do when I run out of RAM and swap
09:09:42 <Ampera> which would be impressive, since I have about 32GB of real/fake memory
09:09:57 <Ampera> (not on this tablet, on my desktop)
09:10:07 <Ampera> although this tablet has an impressive 8GB of RAM in it
09:11:45 <Halcyon> There we go, I can actually see the individual tabs now
09:12:41 <Ampera> huh, the only time that happens with me is when I look at porn
09:13:35 <Halcyon> Heh
09:13:56 <Ampera> anyways, how do, Halcyon?
09:14:02 <Halcyon> Not too bad
09:14:29 <Halcyon> Still waking up
09:15:02 <Ampera> I'm listening to music
09:15:11 <Ampera> and watching baseball
09:15:16 <Halcyon> How butch of you
09:15:31 <Ampera> wha
09:15:40 <Ampera> how the fuck is enjoying baseball and music butch
09:15:44 <Halcyon> Sports
09:16:01 * steve30 purrs at Halcyon
09:16:02 <Ampera> so? I'm not playing it
09:16:36 <Ampera> in the same way that planting flowers doesn't make one feminine, watching sports doesn't make one butch
09:16:43 <Ampera> that's the stupidest thing I've heard all day
09:17:26 <Halcyon> It's really not
09:17:38 <Halcyon> Sports (playing or watching) isn't exactly a gay activity
09:17:46 <desu> in sweden everyone wears NY yankees baseball caps yet nobody watches baseball
09:18:05 <desu> well not everyone
09:18:11 <desu> they are popular for some reason though
09:18:20 <Ampera> So you're saying that sexual orientation defines people's entertainment preferences?
09:19:07 <Ampera> look, I don't get proper upset about much of this stuff, but this is one of the few things about sexual orientation that really pisses me off
09:19:33 <Halcyon> Ampera, relax, I'm generalising
09:19:37 <Ampera> it's like saying to someone playing with a doll "oh wow that's a girl toy, you must be a girl"
09:19:40 <Halcyon> It's an off-the-cuff comment
09:19:51 <Halcyon> Would you rather me call you a bogan for liking sports?
09:19:52 <Ampera> the issue is that people get dead fucking serious about it
09:20:08 <Ampera> bogan isn't sexual or a highly contested pile of bullshit
09:20:18 <Ampera> it's just upside down syndrome
09:20:25 <steve30> Are there any particularly gay sports?
09:20:35 <desu> gay people can't like sports because i'm not gay and i love sports!
09:20:36 <Halcyon> So it's OK to say it if it's bogan, but it's not OK if it has a sexual connotation?
09:20:42 <Halcyon> That's a bit bullshit don't you think?
09:20:53 <Halcyon> Especially since you're all about free speech and not offending people etc...
09:20:59 <Ampera> that's not what I meant
09:21:25 <Halcyon> Well good
09:21:29 <Ampera> it's just that you can act like a bogan, but shouldn't be able to act gay unless you're fucking another guy
09:21:40 <gremlinz> now this is good TV :D
09:21:42 <Halcyon> Wha?
09:21:45 <Ampera> lol
09:21:53 <Halcyon> Who said?
09:21:57 <Ampera> I did
09:22:02 <Halcyon> Cool
09:22:12 <Halcyon> I don't take back what I said
09:22:42 <Ampera> acting like a bogan (to use it as a synonym for redneck) is to live in a run down trailer park with a full body sunburn, drinking cheap beer and watching antenna television 24/7
09:22:45 <Halcyon> I call some of my gay friends "lady" etc...
09:22:49 <Ampera> standby, xpra's taking a shit
09:22:54 <Halcyon> I don't mean it literally
09:23:32 <Ampera> I know you didn't mean it literally, I'm just going off
09:23:48 <Halcyon> That's fine
09:23:58 <Halcyon> You're basically an angry lesbian :P
09:24:51 <Halcyon> One thing you need to learn about Aussies is we put shit on everyone, including ourselves
09:25:04 <Halcyon> Those who can't cop a bit of crap are the odd ones
09:25:44 <Ampera> I know that, it's just that I'm getting close to dealing with a lot of bullshit sadly lumped into this same nature, and am getting pissed at shit for it
09:25:55 <Ampera> cause it starts to feel like literally everyone is out to fuck me
09:26:08 <Halcyon> I could say something, but I wont :P
09:26:20 <Ampera> trust me, you cunts don't know what taking the piss is
09:26:24 <Ampera> Americans invented the concept
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09:27:01 <Halcyon> You might have invented it, but we do it better :P
09:27:18 <Halcyon> The poms are pretty good at it too
09:27:22 <Ampera> you don't have legally protected free speech, and I would wager on book and legally enforced hate speech laws
09:27:43 <Halcyon> I'm pretty sure we do... no idea where it's written
09:27:55 <Halcyon> We don't cling onto our constitution like you guys do
09:28:28 <desu> lol just because it says 'free speech' dosn't mean you actually have free speech
09:28:32 <Halcyon> Half the population don't even realise we have a constitution
09:28:34 <Ampera> the difference is that we can't be held criminally liable for anything said, with the exception of a direct threat to or on another person or persons' life
09:28:49 <Halcyon> Same here
09:29:04 <Halcyon> Or unless you cause disruption to traffic etc... basically hindering other people's lives
09:29:10 <Ampera> Halcyon, so if I call a gay cop a faggot, I can do that without reprocussion?
09:29:17 <Ampera> or call a black cop a nigger?
09:29:17 <Halcyon> Yup
09:29:30 <Ampera> I mean not that you wouldn't get fucking beaten for that here, it's just that they can't do it legally
09:29:32 <Halcyon> Those wouldn't be deemed "offensive" in court
09:29:44 <Ampera> so what would
09:30:03 <Halcyon> Well it depends... if you go on a swearing rant and there are kids around, expect to be charged
09:30:23 <Halcyon> This isn't a book of "naughty words"
09:30:43 <Ampera> We have charges for disturbing the peace, but not ususally enforced as a solitary charge
09:30:48 <Ampera> afaik
09:31:03 <desu> aren't there any laws about inciting anger?
09:31:03 <Ampera> I mean in the UK a guy got arrested for making a joke about nazis
09:31:12 <Halcyon> Well generally when someone is going off, they get a "hinder police" charge as well
09:31:15 <Ampera> desu, there are no laws for indirect incitement.
09:31:18 <Halcyon> Normal people don't just go off the handle
09:31:27 <Ampera> Incitement in the US requires a direct call for an act
09:31:32 <desu> that's cool
09:31:43 <Ampera> I.E. difference between saying I hate gay people, and, you should go kill gay people
09:31:58 <desu> yeah here you can basically get a fine for flipping someone up
09:32:00 <desu> under that law
09:32:07 <desu> flipping someone off
09:32:07 <Ampera> which is my point
09:32:13 <Halcyon> They amended the legislation here to make it unlawful to "offend" someone, and everyone wants it repealed because its too open to interpretation and misuse.
09:32:19 <Ampera> in the US you can't get charged criminally here for that
09:32:20 <Halcyon> I don't think anyone has been charged with it yet
09:32:27 <Halcyon> But it's a can of worms no one wants to open
09:32:45 <Ampera> the thing is that law alone would be unconstitutional
09:33:06 <Halcyon> Our constitution sets down how our government works
09:33:13 <Halcyon> Not the "rights" of citizens
09:33:16 <Halcyon> That's what laws are for
09:33:26 <desu> laws are for taking away rights
09:33:32 <Halcyon> Not always
09:33:37 <Ampera> Our constitution A. sets down how the government works and B. sets limitations that lower levels of government cannot breach
09:33:48 <Ampera> Laws are for taking away rights
09:33:52 <Ampera> that is the very definition of a law
09:33:58 <Halcyon> It depends
09:34:02 <Ampera> No it doesn't.
09:34:07 <Halcyon> I have the right to walk down the street and not be assaulted
09:34:20 <Halcyon> The law upholds that
09:34:55 <Ampera> the issue is when I say rights, I mean as allowed by the government to the citizen
09:35:03 <Ampera> not as in a state of being to which a citizen can also revoke that right
09:35:40 <Ampera> The government as an entity wouldn't be taking away your right to walk down the street in that situation, another private citizen would
09:36:01 <Halcyon> We seem to do just fine without a list of rights
09:36:09 <Halcyon> Most people work on the premise of "don't be a dick"
09:36:11 <Halcyon> and it works
09:36:14 <Ampera> Your government openly censors and bans popular media
09:36:20 <Halcyon> Yep
09:36:25 <Ampera> Including video games
09:36:32 <desu> what videogame did they censor?
09:36:39 <Ampera> desu many many games
09:36:43 <desu> weird
09:36:52 <desu> Germany is big on censoring games with natsoc symbolism
09:36:52 <Halcyon> "Ban" is a bit harsh though since most of the bans don't work at all
09:36:53 <Ampera> not just censor, outright ban, similar to Germany.
09:36:56 <desu> why would the aussies do it?
09:37:01 <desu> for what reason
09:37:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, ban from sale
09:37:16 <Halcyon> Yep, but people still get around bans easily
09:37:20 <Ampera> the point is this is not done in the US, at least not in the, /nobody/ can sell it impact the AU government does
09:37:33 <desu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
09:37:34 <Ampera> Well we also ban coke, and people get around it anyways
09:37:34 <desu> woah
09:37:47 <Halcyon> Yes but one is unlawful, the other isn't
09:37:59 <Halcyon> I'm not breaking the law by circumventing Government bans on things
09:38:05 <Halcyon> Unless it's a customs issue
09:38:15 <desu> most recent one is a lewd VN
09:38:17 <desu> lol
09:38:23 <Ampera> fair enough, bad example
09:38:25 <Halcyon> It's like if I change my DNS server to get around website bans... It's not illegal
09:38:53 <Ampera> the point is that your government still does it
09:39:03 <Halcyon> Those bans are there to keep the "think of the children" people happy, whilst not really doing anything
09:39:03 <Ampera> and has no rule stating they can't do that
09:39:19 <Ampera> whereas we have a hard to change, legally defensible rule that prevents our government from doing so, which has proven effective
09:39:35 <Stiff> Halcyon, probably because our government think we are to stupid to get around a blocked site
09:39:43 <Halcyon> It seems to work here. Those who want the ban, have it, those who don't give a fuck, get around it.
09:39:46 <Halcyon> Win win :)
09:40:00 <desu> >Banned because of high impact bloody violence.[38]
09:40:05 <Halcyon> The Government honestly don't care that much
09:40:07 <Ampera> Here those who want the ban get stuffed, and the people who want it, don't have to do weird things to get it
09:40:28 <Halcyon> Hah, buying something from overseas is hardly "weird"
09:40:38 <Halcyon> The Government are more concerned that they don't collect sales tax from it
09:40:43 <Ampera> that's not how video games work anymore, Halcyon.
09:40:56 <Halcyon> Buy/download/play online
09:41:07 <Ampera> You'd have to get around georestrictions
09:41:16 <Ampera> which costs money, among other things
09:41:18 <Halcyon> Oh, how ever will people do that :P
09:41:38 <Halcyon> Even my father gets around geoblocking
09:41:40 <Ampera> idk people like you fucking scare me that you have no problem with this shit
09:41:54 <Halcyon> No problem with what?
09:42:00 <Halcyon> Being responsible and being able to do what I want?
09:42:27 <Ampera> just having laws making being offensive illegal
09:42:46 <Halcyon> As I said, people are trying to have it repealed
09:42:56 <Ampera> even if it's not enforced now, why can't something like that be used to enforce a political view
09:42:57 <Halcyon> It was a new addition to the Anti-discrimination act
09:43:18 <Ampera> the thing is a law like that couldn't even be passed, nevermind enforced
09:43:28 <Halcyon> Because you can't discriminate against someone's political view
09:43:36 <Halcyon> You're allowed to have one, even if you're crazy and vote Greens
09:43:40 <Halcyon> The law says that
09:44:30 <Ampera> So even if I publicly advertise my belief that white Australians are a superior race, and that all other entities should not be given public rights, I would not have legal reprocussions out of the expression and proliferation of those ideas?
09:44:39 <Halcyon> Nope
09:44:45 <Halcyon> You would be ridiculed
09:44:48 <Halcyon> But that's about it
09:44:54 <Halcyon> We have parties like that
09:44:55 <desu> anti-democratic speech oy vey
09:44:59 <Ampera> lol
09:45:17 <Ampera> at least you're better than Europe I guess
09:45:38 <desu> we have parties like that too a couple of those guys got arrested here in sweden
09:45:44 <Halcyon> We literally have a politician who used the word "chinks" to describe Asians
09:46:27 <Ampera> US is still better at free speech though
09:46:36 <Halcyon> She basically said she wanted all the "chinky chinks out of Australia"
09:46:55 <Halcyon> Granted, this was the 1990's... she has developed a lot since then
09:47:41 <Halcyon> But she is realistic. People might not like what she has to say, but when you're right, you're right. She advocates for nuclear power instead of this renewables nonsense
09:48:05 <desu> why do you hate the chinks
09:48:08 <desu> chinks are pretty cool
09:48:10 <desu> generally
09:48:18 <Halcyon> I don't hate the chinks
09:48:24 <Halcyon> I love their food
09:48:26 <Ampera> That's not what you said, Halcyon
09:48:30 <steve30> I have a couple of relatives you use the word chinky
09:48:35 <Ampera> you just said "chinks out of australia""
09:48:38 <steve30> *who
09:48:41 <desu> their food is msg poison
09:48:43 <Halcyon> >I< didn't say that
09:48:43 <desu> but yeah it's good
09:48:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, I see it in my chatlog, you racist
09:48:59 <Halcyon> <Halcyon> She basically said she wanted all the "chinky chinks out of Australia"
09:49:05 <Halcyon> I was quoting a politican
09:49:07 <Ampera> you just said it again
09:49:12 <Halcyon> Politician
09:49:14 <Ampera> context doesn't matter in law
09:49:17 <Ampera> not in the UK
09:49:21 <Halcyon> Maybe not in America
09:49:26 <Ampera> no it does in the US
09:49:30 <Halcyon> Here context is foremost
09:49:31 <Ampera> actually no it doesn't
09:49:36 <Ampera> well sort of
09:49:38 <Halcyon> As well as relevance
09:49:56 <Ampera> context really only applies regarding examples of speech that /could/ be considered illegal
09:50:07 <Halcyon> Not just
09:50:09 <Ampera> more so that the speech isn't ilegal, the intent behind the speech is
09:50:28 <Ampera> If it's not a crime, the context doesn't matter, since it's not in court
09:50:29 <Halcyon> For example, you get caught speeding, it's illegal. But it's a medical emergency... context is VERY important.
09:50:29 <damian> dayum you all awake
09:50:39 <Ampera> eevblog time
09:50:39 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 09:59 Sydney time.
09:51:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, I can't get to the ER by talking my way across a road
09:51:17 <Halcyon> Courts generally don't apply laws so rigidly and stick to the word of the law.
09:51:21 <Ampera> I'm not talking about anything but speech
09:51:25 <Halcyon> It's the "spirit" of the law that matters
09:51:31 <Ampera> I'm not even talking about speech
09:51:37 <Ampera> *speeding
09:51:43 <Ampera> I'm talking about speech
09:51:45 <Halcyon> I'm just using it as an examlpe
09:51:47 <Halcyon> example
09:51:50 <Ampera> but it doesn't apply
09:51:50 <Halcyon> The same can be applied to any law
09:51:55 <Ampera> because this is within the context of speech
09:52:06 <Halcyon> Correct, which is why I'm saying context is important
09:52:07 <Ampera> of course context is used in US courts generally, but that's not what I was talking about you thick cunt
09:52:24 <Halcyon> Which is also why many people mis-quote and misunderstand the law.
09:52:40 <Halcyon> Law isn't always black and white (excuse the pun)
09:53:41 <Ampera> man Halcyon, you debate like a straight guy
09:53:51 <Ampera> you don't give up your position for shit
09:54:04 * steve30 ponders going to bed
09:54:07 <Halcyon> What's my position?
09:54:26 <Ampera> that free speech is bad
09:54:29 <Halcyon> What time is it Steve?
09:54:30 <Ampera> lol
09:54:33 <desu> you debate like a faggot
09:54:36 <Halcyon> At no point did I ever say that
09:54:42 <Halcyon> In fact, I said the opposite
09:54:55 <Ampera> I'm joking
09:55:05 <Halcyon> It's important to remember that "free speech" doesn't give you an excuse to be an absolute cunt.
09:55:07 <steve30> 1am
09:55:28 <Ampera> In the eyes of the law, being an absolute cunt shouldn't be illegal
09:55:50 <Halcyon> ... well, that depends
09:55:53 <Ampera> In the US we have the highest law in the land preventing that from being the case
09:55:58 <Halcyon> Some people are cunts and deserve to be locked up
09:56:12 <Halcyon> See, it all comes down to context
09:56:19 <Ampera> What is illegal are things that physically or financially harm other people
09:56:32 <Halcyon> That's a very simplistic way of looking at it
09:56:34 <Halcyon> But yeh, sure.
09:56:43 <desu> what if you say something bad about a company
09:56:46 <desu> and they lose money from it
09:56:48 <Ampera> The issue it that Australia goes beyond that
09:56:49 <desu> is that illegal?
09:56:59 <Ampera> desu: only illegal if what you said is knowingly incorrect and objective
09:57:08 <Ampera> if you say, their products are stupid, I hate them, and they loose money from that, it's not illega
09:57:11 <Halcyon> Desu: Not in Australia. You can't be sued for vilification against a corporation.
09:57:19 <Ampera> if you say their products will give you cancer, and they don't, and they loose money, that is
09:57:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, so you don't have libel or slander laws with respect to corporate entities?
09:57:48 <Halcyon> Nope, only individuals
09:57:55 <desu> yeah we dont either
09:58:00 <desu> companies are not people
09:58:05 <Halcyon> I can say publically that the board of directors of Apple are a bunch of fuckwits who have no idea
09:58:08 <desu> you can say whatever you want about them
09:58:12 <Halcyon> They can't do anything
09:58:27 <Halcyon> If I said "Steve Jobs is a kiddy fiddler" then yes, I could be sued
09:58:36 <desu> he very well may be
09:58:38 <Ampera> Can I say that a company's items will give you cancer, and that they are made using slave labor, with no basis, and intend and effect to cause them financial harm, with no legal reprocussions?
09:58:43 <Halcyon> Well if he is, I'm all good
09:58:45 <Halcyon> *was
09:58:51 <desu> he's was a very gross dude
09:58:52 <Halcyon> Ampera: Yep
09:58:54 <Halcyon> Happens all the time
09:59:07 <Ampera> Not legal here, and shouldn't be legal
09:59:19 <Ampera> because financial harm to a company is financial harm to the people who run it
09:59:32 <Halcyon> If I were a company and said that, other laws might come into play
09:59:45 <Halcyon> But as an individual, I can say whatever the hell I want about a company and its products
09:59:59 <Ampera> Also, if companies are not individuals, can I not sue a company in Australia?
10:00:06 <Halcyon> For what?
10:00:12 <Ampera> anything
10:00:16 <Halcyon> Like what?
10:00:36 <desu> i dont really think we have lawsuits in the same way you americans do
10:00:47 <Ampera> In the US if a company were to create a dangerous product without adequate warnings with full negligence to doing so, I could sue them
10:00:49 <Halcyon> You can sue a company, sure... but there has to be a reason
10:01:00 <Ampera> So then why can't a company sue me?
10:01:08 <Halcyon> Because the law says so
10:01:19 <Ampera> So companies are legal entities, but also not?
10:01:34 <Halcyon> The point I'm making is, you can't "offend" a company
10:02:02 <Ampera> You can't be charged for offending anyone in the US either
10:02:16 <Ampera> If it's a company or otherwise
10:02:30 <Halcyon> There is a motoring journalist on Youtube who says stuff about car makers and their management all the time
10:02:35 <Halcyon> There is nothing they can do about it
10:02:45 <Halcyon> They can't have videos removed or censored
10:03:00 <Ampera> what you can be charged for is causing physical or financial harm to someone by stating something vocally or written that is knowingly untrue
10:03:15 <Ampera> Even if he were to intentionally lie?
10:03:20 <Halcyon> Yep
10:03:37 <Halcyon> I mean, it would be easy for him to be called out as a liar
10:03:43 <Ampera> and even if he were to even cause the end of that company on the basis of that lie?
10:04:01 <Halcyon> It would have to be a fucking big lie for one individual to take down an entire company
10:04:15 <Halcyon> I can't think of one example, ever, where that has happened
10:04:17 <Ampera> People have done it.
10:04:27 <damian> i don't believe you
10:04:40 <Halcyon> Who? When? Where?
10:04:50 <damian> exactly
10:05:07 <Ampera> An example somewhat happened recently in Oblerin, where Oblerin college faculty and students staged protests claiming a local bakery was racist for arresting a black shoplifter
10:05:16 <Ampera> My internet is taking a shit for whatever reason
10:05:26 <Ampera> probaly because it's DOCSIS
10:05:29 <Ampera> *probably
10:05:37 <Ampera> there's fibre literally a few streets over, but not here
10:05:47 <Halcyon> So basically the media ran with a story with a certain angle and causes the demise of that business?
10:05:54 <Ampera> either that or it might be that someone is running a microwave
10:06:09 <Ampera> Well the business got awarded millions of dollars
10:06:10 <Halcyon> That's different, that's not the individual doing that. The business could have sued the media company for spreading false news.
10:06:18 <Ampera> but if they didn't, may have very well caused the end of that business
10:06:20 <Halcyon> That happens all the time
10:06:38 <Ampera> They sued oblerin college
10:06:39 <Ampera> and won
10:06:43 <Halcyon> Companies and media outlets have certain responsibilities which don't apply to individual persons
10:07:20 <Halcyon> If the *college* endorsed something and it was wrong or false, yep, absolutely they would be in trouble
10:07:37 <Halcyon> If a staff member said it as an individual, different story
10:07:50 <Halcyon> The college might take a dim view of it
10:08:18 <Halcyon> I need to water my lawn today
10:08:29 <Ampera> In the US an individual or company could be held liable for that
10:08:39 <Ampera> standby, reconnecting to wlan
10:09:53 <Ampera> back, hopefully that'll help
10:10:13 <Ampera> that microwave is definitely against FCC regulations
10:11:21 <Ampera> In the US an individual or a corporation can be held equally liable for anything either could do against the law.
10:11:35 <Ampera> as coprporations are legally considered equivalent to individuals
10:15:24 <Halcyon> I can see where it would be good and bad
10:15:44 <Halcyon> For example, imagine if a major company sued an individual for speaking out against them... what chance would the individual have?
10:15:54 <Halcyon> Could you imagine is Apple sued every hater?
10:16:05 <Halcyon> *if
10:16:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, just because they can sue others doesn't mean they will win
10:16:56 <Ampera> you have to break a law in order to lose a case against you
10:17:18 <Halcyon> What if you just don't have the financial backing to be able to defend yourself?
10:17:26 <Halcyon> How is that fair?
10:17:49 <Ampera> Not sure if public defenders can operate in civil cases
10:18:24 <Ampera> but companies could definitely be liable to damages incurred via a lawsuit
10:18:33 <Halcyon> Sure
10:19:17 <Halcyon> But that would require the defendant to make a counter-claim
10:19:25 <Halcyon> Again, one which they might not be able to afford
10:19:36 <Halcyon> Then if they lose that claim, it could ruin them
10:19:59 <damian> docsis
10:20:00 <damian> sucker
10:20:08 <Ampera> damian, not my house
10:20:18 <Ampera> my own internet connection would piss on yours
10:20:28 <Halcyon> Everything pisses on the NBN
10:20:31 <Ampera> and tbf, this DOCSIS one probably would piss on yours too
10:20:43 <Halcyon> Bring on 5G
10:20:53 <Ampera> up isn't great, but I get a solid 300mbps over here via DOCSIS
10:20:58 <damian> of course it would, you're not in Australia
10:21:07 <Ampera> thankfully
10:21:17 <Halcyon> Even NZ is trialling 10 Gbit internet to homes
10:21:18 <Ampera> I enjoy living in a first world nation
10:21:19 <damian> i mean, my fiber shits on docsis .. but the speed is limited by plan
10:21:39 <damian> i'm no NBN'r, i have private fiber to my place, but the only plans on it are 100/40
10:21:41 <Ampera> damian, FttP or FttN
10:21:52 <Halcyon> Ahh you're in one of those areas
10:21:59 <damian> yup
10:22:03 <Halcyon> A mate of mine has Greenfields fibre and he is on a Gigabit
10:22:06 <damian> im fttp
10:22:08 <Ampera> My fibre is 940/880
10:22:27 <Halcyon> You can get 1 Gbps symmetrical here though but only in certain areas
10:22:58 <Ampera> I could likely get faster if I paid Verizon enough money
10:22:59 <desu> i thought aussies had shit internet
10:23:08 <Halcyon> desu: Most of us do
10:23:15 <Halcyon> The most I can get is 40/10
10:23:47 <Halcyon> https://www.chorus.co.nz/blog/supercharging-new-zealands-broadband-10gbps-trial
10:23:52 <Halcyon> I should move to NZ
10:23:54 <Ampera> I think it was 2011-2012 when my internet sucked that hard
10:24:06 <Ampera> Now if we're talking about fucked nations, NZ is up there
10:24:06 <damian> yeah, it depends on where you are and what you're on
10:24:09 <Ampera> they are actually fucked
10:24:11 <damian> some places are fine, a lot of places are not
10:24:43 <Halcyon> Hah I love this bit: "The 10Gbps service is built in collaboration with Nokia using their XGS-PON fibre solution. It’s a next-generation network technology that supports fibre services of up to 10Gbps downstream and upstream, deployed over our existing nationwide fibre broadband infrastructure."
10:24:51 <Ampera> they just put a man behind bars in Kiwistan for sharing the churchill shooting content on the internet
10:25:02 <Halcyon> Geee, if only our government saw the value in laying fibre everywhere instead of sticking with bullshit copper and coax
10:25:04 <damian> man i should get out of bed
10:25:51 <Halcyon> "It also reinforces the ability to easily upgrade the world-class fibre infrastructure we have been building as the latest technologies become available."
10:26:13 <Halcyon> These guys have it right
10:26:34 <Ampera> Too bad they have an official government censor that actually does determine what is and is not legal to consume
10:26:42 <Halcyon> Meh
10:26:44 <Ampera> and legislation that literally makes trolling and internet harassment illegal
10:26:46 <Halcyon> Don't care
10:26:59 <Halcyon> Wouldn't affect me
10:27:51 <Ampera> until it does
10:28:23 <Halcyon> That's like saying smoking doesn't affect me until I start smoking... which I'm never going to
10:28:47 <Ampera> no it's not
10:29:31 <Ampera> NZ has proven themselves to not care about freedom of expression or speech
10:29:34 <Ampera> legit now
10:29:40 <Halcyon> Oh well
10:29:46 <Halcyon> I'm not in NZ
10:29:54 <Ampera> I never said you were
10:30:02 <Ampera> I said you shouldn't want to move there, because they are actually fucked
10:30:57 <Halcyon> You also have to remember, the bloke that shared the video also said what was happening was "awesome" and compared himself to a Nazi war criminal.
10:31:05 <Ampera> so?
10:31:27 <Halcyon> So it wasn't about sharing the content.... he was being outright offensive
10:31:37 <Ampera> it shouldn't matter if he said that all muslims should die this second, that's not something that should put him behind bras
10:31:39 <Ampera> &bars
10:31:49 <Halcyon> He was also previously charged with sending a pigs head to a mosque
10:32:02 <Halcyon> Of course he should
10:32:13 <Halcyon> There is free speech and then there is downright lunacy
10:32:14 <Ampera> Fuck no
10:32:19 <Ampera> That is free speech
10:32:22 <Ampera> he didn't hurt anyone
10:32:24 <Ampera> he didn't shoot anyone
10:32:25 <Halcyon> Yes he did
10:32:28 <Halcyon> He hurt a lot of people
10:32:30 <Ampera> Who did he physically hurt
10:32:38 <Ampera> offending != hurting
10:32:38 <Halcyon> It's not about physically hurting people
10:32:43 <Halcyon> WHAT!?!
10:32:47 <Halcyon> Are you kidding? ROFL
10:32:51 <Ampera> No you're saying you should be able to use being offended as a legal offense
10:33:35 <Halcyon> So you think it's perfectly OK and normal to share video of people being shot, supporting the actions of a terrorist and having extremist views?
10:33:51 <Halcyon> There is nothing wrong with that at all?
10:35:51 <Ampera> tablet ran out of battery
10:37:02 <Ampera> It should be perfectly legal to distribute footage of a crime in action, so long as it's not legally hindering to the investigation of that case
10:37:19 <Ampera> Supporting a terrorist in virtue is not and should not be illegal.
10:37:26 <Halcyon> The issue wasn't with the footage, regardless of how disturbing it was
10:37:31 <Halcyon> It was about what he said and did
10:37:33 <Ampera> Having extremist views especially should not be illegal
10:37:42 <Ampera> What did he do (not say)
10:37:54 <Halcyon> So nut jobs can just go about their day, inciting violence and hate?
10:38:06 <Halcyon> You see no problems with that at all?
10:38:08 <Ampera> Did he tell people or a concise group of people to hurt other people?
10:38:23 <Halcyon> I don't have a transcript but it was along those lines yes
10:38:26 <Ampera> If so? Then my mistake, that would be the incitation of violence (the punishment was not proportional to the crime IMO)
10:38:30 <Halcyon> Even superimposing cross hairs on people
10:38:53 <Ampera> If he did not ask for people to be hurt or killed, then no, he did nothing wrong
10:39:07 <Halcyon> He supported the killings
10:39:24 <Ampera> So?
10:39:33 <Halcyon> Are you kidding me with this?
10:39:38 <Ampera> Supported in what way
10:39:42 <Ampera> agreed or contributed
10:39:57 <Halcyon> By saying it was "awesome" that those people died and encouraged the violence live on the internet
10:40:21 <Ampera> Encouraging violence on people who are already dead, should not be a crime
10:40:23 <Halcyon> It was one step away of saying "Hey, killer man, go and shoot those people over there... good work"
10:40:29 <Ampera> Saying a terrorist is "awesome" should not be a crime
10:40:38 <Halcyon> Absolutely it should
10:40:45 <Halcyon> And I'm glad that it is
10:41:08 <Halcyon> You apply your same logic to the Holocaust, see what people think
10:41:26 <Ampera> I think being a holocaust supporter is fine
10:41:29 <Ampera> legally anyways
10:41:35 <Ampera> so is being a member of the KKK
10:42:02 <Halcyon> Being a "supporter" or "member" is one thing. To push your ideals to the public and incite hatred and violence is not OK
10:42:53 <Ampera> My only determinator for what incidation should be illegal if it is a /direct/ request to a person or concise group to cause harm to a person or other concise group
10:42:59 <Halcyon> And if your constitution and laws allow you to do such things, then they are fucked.
10:43:14 <Ampera> Stating that all Jews should die should not be illegal as it's not a concise group
10:43:55 <Halcyon> What about supporters of 9.11 ?
10:44:17 <Ampera> Again, stating that 9/11 should have happened is not criminal
10:44:28 <Ampera> Stating that another 9/11 should happen is also not criminal
10:44:33 <Halcyon> It's one thing saying it, but to incite hatred is another
10:44:39 <Halcyon> Words alone generally don't do much
10:44:45 <Ampera> Requesting a group to commit another 9/11, with intent to have that group carry out that act is illegal
10:44:57 <Ampera> incitation of hatred should be legal
10:45:01 <Ampera> incitation of violence should be illegal
10:45:11 <Ampera> you are confusing violence and hatred, two different concepts
10:45:13 <Halcyon> Yep, and what do you think posting videos on the internet of people dying, encouraging others to do the same because "all muslims should die"...
10:45:20 <desu> probable cause
10:45:21 <Halcyon> How do you think that would go down
10:45:29 <Ampera> I've seen live footage of people dying in 9/11
10:45:45 <damian> live?
10:45:56 <Ampera> well not temporally live
10:45:56 <Halcyon> Deliberately encouraging other nut jobs to go and kill a group of people is not OK Ampera
10:46:00 <Halcyon> Not then, not now
10:46:03 <Ampera> live meaning real
10:46:13 <Ampera> and I never said it was
10:46:21 <Halcyon> You are basically saying that exact thing
10:46:25 <Ampera> I am stating that the direct incitation of violence should be illegal
10:46:29 <Halcyon> You basically said the bloke in NZ did nothing wrong
10:46:29 <Ampera> and have been saying that for the past 20 minutes
10:46:36 <desu> i agree
10:46:40 <desu> muslims kill whites
10:46:47 <damian> whites kill whites
10:46:51 <damian> whites kill muslims
10:46:53 <Ampera> I am also saying that the direct incitation of hatred should be legal
10:46:56 <damian> whites hill everyone
10:47:12 <damian> but whites can also be muslim
10:47:17 <Halcyon> I'm glad you aren't writing the laws Ampera
10:47:20 <Halcyon> We'd be fucked
10:47:29 <Ampera> I'm glad you're not writing the laws, we'd also be fucked.
10:47:39 <Ampera> I hate the LGBT comunity, and think that the concept shouldn't exist
10:47:40 <damian> you shouldn't hate a religion/race of people because a few of them are nutjobs
10:47:40 <Halcyon> I don't write them, I enforce them
10:47:44 <Ampera> should I be put in prison?
10:47:47 <damian> hate those nutjobs
10:48:00 <desu> why not?
10:48:00 <Ampera> I hate religion because I dislike the concept of religion
10:48:02 <Halcyon> Ampera, now you're over-simplifying the argument
10:48:04 <Ampera> it has nothing to do with nutjobs
10:48:11 <Halcyon> You know as well as I do it has nothing to do with that
10:48:36 <Ampera> So what about this, I hate islam and do not think it should exist
10:48:43 <Halcyon> Fine
10:48:48 <Ampera> I don't think we should actively try to remove it, but I do not want it to be a thing
10:48:59 <Ampera> If I were to want them all dead, I think that should be legal
10:49:00 <Halcyon> I personally don't want religion to be a thing
10:49:17 <Halcyon> But I'm not going to incite hate or violence against churches
10:49:18 <Ampera> If I were to ask for someone or some concise group to hurt a concise group of muslims or a muslim, then that should be illegal
10:49:22 <Ampera> and that's all that should be illegal
10:49:37 <Ampera> define hate
10:49:39 * damian high fives Halcyon
10:49:40 <Halcyon> Which is basically what this bloke did
10:49:43 <Ampera> To me hate is a state of opinion
10:49:46 <Halcyon> And backed it up with video footage
10:49:56 <damian> 99.9999% of religious people have done nothing to me
10:50:17 <Ampera> damian, that's a lot of people who have done something to you
10:50:28 <Halcyon> Most people in AU aren't religious Ampera
10:50:31 <damian> 99.9999~% of religious people have done nothing to me
10:50:33 <damian> better :P
10:50:36 <Halcyon> Well when I say most, more than half
10:50:55 <Ampera> and it's not about religion
10:51:04 <Ampera> it's about being able to hate people and to spread that view
10:51:23 <Halcyon> I'm using religion as an example
10:51:49 <Ampera> The only point to which law should get involved if someone, (and this is /the only case) or some concise group of individuals requests someone or some concise group of individuals to harm someone or some concise group of individuals
10:52:14 <Ampera> concise group of individuals meaning a group of individuals to which the offending group could reasonably carry out that threat upon that group
10:52:16 <Halcyon> So you agree with that NZ guy getting jail time?
10:52:29 <Ampera> I didn't read the article, if he falls into that descriptor, then yes.
10:52:42 <Halcyon> He encouraged further killing of muslims in NZ
10:52:47 <Halcyon> I'd say it fits
10:52:54 <Ampera> I would place the sentence appropriate at 3-6 months federal time
10:53:12 <Halcyon> We don't have "federal" prisons
10:53:15 <Halcyon> Jail is jail
10:53:32 <Ampera> We have federal, state, county, and city prisons/jails
10:53:44 <Ampera> with jail being for non-convicts, and prison being for convicts
10:53:47 <Halcyon> Our Police cells aren't referred to as "jail"
10:53:53 <Halcyon> Being locked up by Police isn't jail
10:54:04 <Ampera> it is here afaik
10:54:09 <Halcyon> Yes I know
10:54:10 <Ampera> but I could have the terms slightly wrong
10:54:41 <Halcyon> Being "sent to jail" in AU is, you've been charged and are awaiting trial and have been formally bail refused or you're been sentenced by a court.
10:55:08 <Halcyon> In my state, Police can only hold you for up to 6 hours (notwithstanding certain time outs and certain special cases)
10:55:49 <Ampera> Detention without charge is I believe illegal in the US, but I could be wrong
10:56:04 <Halcyon> You can be arrested here without necessarily being charged
10:56:10 <Halcyon> But Police need to have a valid reason
10:56:32 <Halcyon> It's not unusual for a suspect to be arrested while further enquiries/interviews etc... are being made
10:56:44 <Halcyon> Charges can always be placed on a person after they are released from custody
10:57:04 <Ampera> it might be similar here, I will admit to not knowing
10:57:37 <Ampera> my face is peeling
10:57:40 <Halcyon> Someone can also be charged without needing to be arrested
10:57:59 <Halcyon> I can write up charge papers have serve them at someones house, work, where ever
10:58:17 <Ampera> gonna have to keep my nose clean when I go visit
10:58:26 <Halcyon> Just don't be a dick
10:58:28 <Halcyon> Simple :P
10:58:32 <damian> (@Ampera) it's about being able to hate people and to spread that view
10:59:05 <Ampera> There are people I do not like, and wish to have other people know that they should not like them either
10:59:10 <damian> im in two completely different minds about this. one the one hand i believe everyone has the right to think what they want
10:59:41 <Ampera> For example, I can hate a politican, and spread my opinion that I do not like this politician, and other people should hate him
10:59:44 <Halcyon> Thinking or believing is one thing... acting upon it in a violent way (or inciting someone else to bring harm) is not
11:00:01 <damian> on the other hand, i believe hate breeds hate, and it's people talking about their hate that brings others out of the woodwork who hate more viciously and that turns into the hate being somehow alright to talk about with the person you're hating on in a negative tone, which then leads to more violence, anger, etc.
11:00:05 <Ampera> Thinking, believing, proliferating peacefully
11:00:09 <Halcyon> And if those thoughts manifest themselves into something more, which is common among the mentally ill, then that's not OK either
11:00:31 <Ampera> What we're talking about is legal liabilty
11:00:32 <damian> exactly
11:00:53 <Ampera> spreading an idea that's not the direct incitation of violence should be legal
11:01:03 <Halcyon> No one is arguing that
11:01:04 <Ampera> it is, however, not legal in many nations. Examples include hate speech laws
11:01:12 <Ampera> The US doesn't have hate speech laws
11:01:29 <Ampera> What should be illegal is concise group requesting concise group to hurt concise group
11:01:35 <Halcyon> You guys have enough issues before you need to worry about hate speech
11:01:40 <Ampera> like what
11:01:46 <Ampera> minus the trade war
11:01:46 <Halcyon> Violence in general
11:01:49 <Halcyon> Well that too
11:02:02 <Ampera> You can't compare US violence to AU violence
11:02:11 <Ampera> we have a considerably different nation to yours
11:02:12 <Halcyon> I'm pretty damn sure you can
11:02:23 <Halcyon> People die the same way in both countries
11:02:26 <Ampera> Demographics including race, class, ethnicity
11:02:32 <Halcyon> Being stabbed or shot usually has the same impact
11:03:38 <Halcyon> We have black people and gangs here too
11:03:46 <Ampera> the thing is we are at a disadvantage to the AU, not because of laws, but because of who lives here
11:03:47 <Halcyon> You guys arent unique
11:04:00 <Halcyon> Except you seem to have a lot of sovereign citizens there
11:04:02 <Ampera> No, we have a far more diverse population than Australia
11:04:05 <Halcyon> They are mostly unheard of here
11:04:29 <Ampera> We have a much more diverse distribution of wealth too
11:04:51 <Halcyon> That's probably true too
11:04:58 <Ampera> We're bigger than Australia, with more easily habitable land which needs to be policed
11:05:26 <Halcyon> But most of your crimes, including murders happen in the cities
11:05:26 <Ampera> We also have an incredibly diverse set of cultures, which Australia just doesn't have to the same scale.
11:05:47 <Ampera> I'd wager that's the same for Australia to, that crime increases per capita in urban areas
11:05:52 <Halcyon> Yep
11:05:54 <Ampera> I'd wager that's a worldwide trend
11:06:19 <damian> what does per capita even mean
11:06:33 <Ampera> Per individual
11:06:38 <Ampera> sort of
11:06:58 <Ampera> I.E., you have GDP, and GDP per capita, which is GDP/population
11:07:09 <damian> what's a GDP
11:07:23 <Ampera> gross domsetic product, the annual economic output of a nation
11:07:27 <Halcyon> Did you not go to school Damian ? :P
11:07:44 <damian> i went to a country hick school, we didn't learn more than 1+5
11:07:51 <Halcyon> Is that what they do up there in Queensland? :P
11:07:56 <damian> SA
11:08:02 <Halcyon> Oh I thought you were QLD
11:08:05 <Halcyon> SA isn't bad
11:08:14 <damian> im in melbourne, but i grew up in rural SA :P
11:08:24 <Ampera> so that explains why AustNet doesn't have Auth-on-Login
11:08:28 <Halcyon> Except that you call your kebabs, "yiros"
11:08:42 <damian> not at all. i'd build it in if i had the ability to :P
11:08:47 <damian> i don't have access to the code
11:09:02 <Ampera> tell the perosn who does to stop slacking :P
11:09:10 <damian> well, technically a kebab and yiros are two different things.. they use different sauces and bread
11:09:14 <Halcyon> Yeh, who is looking after that?
11:09:19 <Ampera> a kebab is things on a stick
11:09:23 * damian glares at seaner
11:09:26 <Ampera> a gyro is a fancy burrito
11:09:38 <Halcyon> That's a shish kebab Ampera
11:09:52 <Ampera> I've thought about building my own IRCd, but I barely understand how SSL works
11:09:53 <damian> yeah, shish hish shshihih
11:10:10 <damian> what's an ssl
11:10:17 <Halcyon> Oh gawd
11:10:20 <damian> ircd's are fun to build
11:10:27 <desu> it works just like regular sockets
11:10:31 <desu> just with SSL_read
11:10:33 <desu> sll_write
11:10:34 <Halcyon> I now know why you don't have access to the code damian :P
11:10:39 <damian> hahaha
11:12:05 <Halcyon> I should go food shopping
11:16:23 <damian> i should have a shower
11:16:33 <damian> ok ok im going to do it. then i'll climb a mountain. then i'll do food shopping
11:26:27 <Halcyon> I know what you're doing in the shower damian
11:26:27 <Halcyon> :P
11:35:31 <Ampera> desu, a bit more complicated than that
11:35:55 <damian> nah, i did that while i was in bed
11:35:56 <Ampera> and also someone had knocked on the door to let me know that the light was on in my car
11:36:09 <Halcyon> lol
11:36:18 <Halcyon> You have a car Ampera?
11:36:22 <Ampera> yes
11:36:34 <Halcyon> For some reason I didn't think you drove?
11:36:36 <Halcyon> Not sure why
11:36:42 <Ampera> because I don't
11:36:46 <Halcyon> No licence?
11:36:49 <Ampera> nope
11:36:53 <Halcyon> I see
11:36:57 <Halcyon> Are you going to get one?
11:37:03 <Ampera> license isn't the problem
11:37:05 <Ampera> that's easy
11:37:24 * DogWomble wanders in
11:37:29 <Halcyon> Hey DW
11:37:35 <Ampera> oh more gays
11:37:36 <DogWomble> hey Halcyon
11:37:46 <DogWomble> of course ampera :)
11:37:47 <Halcyon> Don't be a hater Ampera
11:37:53 <DogWomble> we are ...everywhere
11:38:03 <Ampera> I hate gays
11:38:05 <Halcyon> Join the illuminati
11:38:18 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going grocery shopping, back soon
11:38:22 <Ampera> illuminati doesn't have gays nor trannies, they have the means to cure that
11:38:31 <Ampera> bye m9
11:38:37 <Halcyon> The gays are EVERYWHERE Ampera
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11:39:33 <Ampera> I for whatever associate the song "In My Life" with Westinghouse
11:40:06 <Halcyon> The Beatles?
11:40:56 <Ampera> yes
11:41:06 <Halcyon> Don't know it
11:41:08 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6_eo4D3Cko
11:41:11 <Halcyon> I love watching candy being made
11:41:21 <Halcyon> It's a bit ASMR'y
11:42:14 <Ampera> I love watching porn.
11:42:17 <Halcyon> Yeh me too
11:42:22 <Ampera> hah, loser
11:42:24 <Halcyon> Anyway, back soon
11:42:30 <Ampera> ciao
12:37:59 <Halcyon> Backl
12:38:02 <Halcyon> Back
12:50:42 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
13:00:44 <Halcyon> :)
13:00:50 <Halcyon> Ampera, I need a thing...
13:00:56 <Halcyon> Not sure what the name would be...
13:01:33 <Halcyon> Basically if I have an wired Ethernet-only device, but I want to connect it to a Wi-Fi network. Like a Wi-Fi adapter but it converts copper Ethernet to 802.11x
13:02:14 <damian> wat
13:02:33 <damian> you mean a wap?
13:02:44 <Halcyon> Not an access point
13:02:56 <Halcyon> But I want to connect an Ethernet only device to a wireless access point
13:03:13 <Halcyon> Like an external Wi-Fi adapter of sorts, but instead of a USB interface, I need it to be Ethernet
13:03:26 <damian> oh, you want a bridge device
13:03:33 <Halcyon> Yessum
13:03:38 <Halcyon> That's the word I was looking for
13:03:57 <damian> the TP-Link guys are probably the best value for features i've ever seen
13:04:07 <Halcyon> But not as in a mesh device, I don't want to extend Wi-Fi coverage
13:04:25 <damian> especially if the device you want to connect to the wireless network has a usb port
13:04:41 <damian> look up the TL-WR802N
13:04:45 <Halcyon> Basically it's for my solar inverter
13:04:53 <damian> i think that's one of the older models, there's a few other ones
13:05:12 <damian> this guy has bridge mode which you can connect it to any wifi network and the ethernet port on it will act as ethernet to the bridge
13:05:19 <Halcyon> Mm so I'd basically have that in "client" mode?
13:05:24 <damian> yessir
13:05:34 <Halcyon> Hmmmm...
13:05:40 <damian> or there are other ones which are about $80 which allow you to stick a SIM in them, so it'll be completely segregated, if you find a cheap SIM
13:05:53 <damian> but that probably won't allow you to get what you want from a solar device
13:06:11 <Halcyon> I just want to connect my inverter to the network
13:06:15 <damian> i actually use one of that exact model as my secondary WAP, had it for about six years and it's still going strong
13:06:24 <damian> i have a Meraki WAP covering one end of the house and one of those covering the other
13:06:26 <Halcyon> It already has Ethernet. Wi-Fi is an option but I'm not paying stupid amounts for it
13:06:58 <damian> yeah that's fair enough. this guy will be fine, it's USB powered
13:07:11 <damian> just double sided tape the sucker to the side of your inverter and plug it into the ethernet
13:07:12 <Halcyon> I might look into it
13:07:18 <damian> for $30 you're not going to go wrong
13:07:30 <Halcyon> Well I can put it in the power box. I have Ethernet running from the inverter into that
13:07:37 <Halcyon> So it's protected from rain
13:08:00 <damian> oh yeah, that's cool. is the inverter on the outside of your house?
13:08:03 <damian> ours is in our garage
13:08:03 <Halcyon> There is also a power outlet in there
13:08:05 <Halcyon> Yes
13:08:13 <Halcyon> Ours is outdoors next to the power box
13:08:22 <damian> interesting
13:08:30 <damian> and on that note, it's time for me to go climb a mountain with the dog
13:08:31 <Halcyon> The garage is on the other side of the house
13:08:35 <Halcyon> So it made sense to do that
13:08:43 <Halcyon> What kind of dog?
13:08:47 <damian> catahoula
13:08:50 <damian> x staff
13:08:54 <damian> i'll shoot you a photo when i'm at the top :P
13:09:50 <Halcyon> With your clothes on please :P
13:16:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'd prefer something called a "solar inverter" to not be on my network
13:16:43 <Ampera> unless you built it yourself, then carry on
13:16:46 <Halcyon> Yes, that's you
13:16:53 <Halcyon> I want to monitor energy generated
13:16:55 <Ampera> IoT is fucking shit
13:17:10 * Ampera hands Halcyon an NMS cable
13:17:14 <DHess_US> What's wrong with a "solar inverter" being on your network?
13:17:17 <Halcyon> It will go on my local-only VLAN, it won't have any connectivity to the internet or any other device on my network
13:17:33 <DHess_US> Exactly. VLAN!
13:17:36 <Ampera> DHess_US, because I can think of a load of different ways I'd rather monitor that data without it being an IP capable device
13:17:37 <Halcyon> Also, it's made by Bosch, not some cheap shitty Chinese company
13:18:08 <Ampera> I don't care, if it's not a computer, or I didn't make it, it's not on the network.
13:18:19 <Halcyon> Again, it has access to nothing else on my network
13:18:20 <DHess_US> Ampera, but IP hardware is very inexpensive and provides great performance including galvanic isolation at any level required.
13:18:30 <Halcyon> My desktop can connect to it, not the other way around
13:18:42 <DHess_US> Stateful firewall FTW!
13:18:47 <Ampera> Serial hardware is even cheaper
13:18:52 <Halcyon> Nor can it connect to the internet
13:19:17 <DHess_US> But serial hardware is more expensive for a given capability like range and galvanic isolation and interoperability
13:19:36 <Halcyon> This is the reason I have a local only VLAN, so things like printers, scanners, televisions and other shit with no business being connect to the net can still be on my network
13:19:48 <DHess_US> Fiber Ethernet bridges are practically free. Fiber serial is expensive.
13:20:19 <Ampera> you wouldn't use fibre serial on a solar inverter
13:20:29 <DHess_US> In case it isn't clear, I wouldn't trust a solar inverter on my network without a fiber link because of lightning.
13:20:39 <DHess_US> Oh yes I would
13:20:43 <DHess_US> For the reason I just gave
13:20:44 <Halcyon> DHess_US, which is why I was going down the Wi-Fi path
13:20:54 <Ampera> fair enough
13:20:57 <Halcyon> I don't care if a cheap shitty wireless bridge blows up
13:20:59 <DHess_US> Wifi works also although not as secure.
13:21:23 <DHess_US> Although technically with a VLAN, the wifi security shouldnt matter
13:21:25 * Ampera grumbles some more
13:21:26 <Halcyon> Although I think I do have an Ethernet to Fibre bridge somewhere...
13:21:47 <DHess_US> Ethernet fiber stuff is amazingly cheap now.
13:21:58 <Halcyon> Absolutely, I'm actually going to buy some fibre stuff soon
13:22:11 <Halcyon> I'm going to run fibre from my VDSL2 modem to the router
13:22:18 <DHess_US> Yup, good idea.
13:22:37 <DHess_US> If you live where lighting is common
13:22:53 <Ampera> Ethernet fibre isn't cheap enough for me atm
13:23:10 <Ampera> not on the scale where I would be willing to implement it
13:23:21 <Halcyon> I'm 800 metres ASL and we do tend to get storms. I've already lost a modem and some other devices to a storm a few years ago when it struck a 100-pair cable in the next suburb
13:23:26 <Ampera> well when I say ethernet fibre, I mean 10GbE fibre
13:23:54 <Halcyon> You could just run the fibre and swap out the 1 Gbit modules for 10 Gbit later
13:23:59 <Halcyon> No need to change the cabling itself
13:24:10 <Ampera> the fibre is still the expensive part
13:24:22 <Halcyon> Depends how long you want it
13:24:24 <Ampera> SPF NICs, even gigabit NICs aren't cheap either
13:24:32 <Halcyon> 90 metres for 6 cores will cost under AUD$200
13:24:37 <Ampera> I'm talking whole home fibre
13:24:55 <Ampera> yeah and the point is that's /more/ than copper
13:24:58 <Halcyon> I wouldn't be doing that just yet
13:25:05 <Halcyon> Cat 6 is fine at 10 Gbit
13:25:20 <Halcyon> I use fibre for that electrical isolation
13:25:22 <Ampera> 10GbE/twisted pair is also really expensive
13:25:29 <Halcyon> Cat 6A ?
13:25:35 <Ampera> not the cables, the NICs
13:25:42 <Ampera> and switches
13:25:49 <Halcyon> Yeh few hundred dollars for an Intel NIC with dual ports
13:25:53 <Halcyon> You can get cheaper
13:26:05 <Ampera> cheapest I'm aware of is in the 50USD range, which is still expensive
13:26:23 <Halcyon> They'll come down in price
13:26:47 <Ampera> I'd also have to ensure all the cabling in the network can handle that speed, as most of it is not CAT 6/6A
13:27:04 <Ampera> and that's still all the cheaper stuff
13:27:14 <Halcyon> You can get away with Cat 5e but only for short runs
13:27:17 <Ampera> I'd also have to get a 10gbit switch, to which I could forget about it
13:27:24 <Halcyon> Anything more than 15-20 metres and you might have problems
13:27:55 <Ampera> I'm tempted to install a PC to PC link between my desktop and my server, but my PC just doesn't have the PCIe lanes
13:28:16 <Ampera> I think I may or may not have a 4x link spare, actually, which would work
13:28:31 <Ampera> fucking intel man
13:28:39 <Ampera> 16 lanes my ass
13:28:49 <Halcyon> ?
13:28:59 <Ampera> my desktop PC is limited to 16 PCIe lanes
13:29:11 <Ampera> Gen 3, which is okay I guess, but still only 16
13:29:28 <Ampera> back when it was either Intel or space heater, so if you wanted something better you had to pony up
13:30:18 <Ampera> If I had the cash I'd go Zen 2 the moment it dropped, but I'd have to upgrade my CPU, motherboard, and RAM all at once
13:30:29 <Ampera> which is around 600-700 dollars above my wallet
13:31:31 <Ampera> but anyways, I was thinking of doing 10GbE SPF over biaxial copper
13:31:45 <Ampera> which is afaik the cheapest method for point to point 10GbE
13:33:13 <DHess_US> 10G fiber Ethernet is actually price competative with CAT6 cable and transcievers.
13:33:28 <DHess_US> It is one of the cheaper options because fiber channel stuff can be used.
14:04:41 <DHess_US> Watching I Am Mother. 5 minutes in and that child would be so screwed up.
14:06:09 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow
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15:38:46 <damian> weeee
15:41:00 <damian> lol. you're such an old man Ampera, it's funny
15:56:23 <Ampera> damian wha?
16:20:15 <Halcyon> mew
16:35:46 <Halcyon> Ampera: You could look at SFP direct connect
16:35:56 <Halcyon> It's very cheap as long as the machines are close to each other
16:36:04 <Halcyon> Or direct attach cables
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20:11:23 <user1> hi
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20:12:16 <user1> where's dave?
20:12:38 <user1> i wanna talk to dave
20:12:57 <user1> i dont like jews
20:13:07 <user1> but dave is ok
20:14:56 <user1> Anybody in here?
20:15:05 <Halcyon> Heil!
20:15:08 <user1> Hitler!
20:15:15 <Halcyon> Well... he dead
20:15:42 <user1> Unfortunately. But we still have a party each year on his birthday
20:15:50 <Halcyon> \o/
20:16:39 <rust_collector> he would have had serious health issues if he was still alive
20:17:22 <user1> why do you collect rust?
20:17:48 <rust_collector> well, it is a hobby suited to my skill level
20:18:03 <Halcyon> Why do you have such a generic nick?
20:18:17 <Halcyon> Be a little more creative
20:18:33 <user1> its my user ac on this vm. irssi just took that name
20:18:49 <Halcyon> Sounds tedious
20:19:00 <Halcyon> Why IRC through a VM?
20:19:02 <user1> yeah, but what should i do?
20:19:11 <Halcyon> Type /nick something_better
20:19:29 Nick: user1 is now known as jewhunter1488
20:19:33 <jewhunter1488> better now?
20:19:35 <Halcyon> Sweet!
20:19:38 <Halcyon> There you go!
20:19:50 <jewhunter1488> thanks for the tip
20:20:00 <Halcyon> Most welcome!
20:20:26 <Halcyon> Anything in support of Mein Fuhrer
20:20:39 <jewhunter1488> Thanks, I'm honoured
20:20:49 <Halcyon> Actually, you'd really like Ampera, he is all kinds of nuts too! But we love him.
20:21:47 <Halcyon> I'm also proud you spelled "honoured" the correct way, not the stupid American way ;-)
20:24:44 <Halcyon> Anyway, welcome welcome. Unlike Nazi Germany, all are welcome here, Jews, Gays, Pansexuals... we're all here
20:24:56 <jewhunter1488> No gays, no Jews please
20:25:19 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't get the whole circumcision thing either.
20:26:14 <Halcyon> I like my dicks with all the bits intact... call me picky
20:26:16 <jewhunter1488> normal jews might still be ok, but zionists are a different breed
20:26:16 <rust_collector> I wonder who figured that was a good idea
20:26:52 <rust_collector> let me snip off this part... yeah, that will be good
20:27:06 <Halcyon> I get that if it's too tight to jerk off
20:27:12 <Halcyon> But seriously... other than that
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20:38:29 <jewhunter1488> ok, guys i go for dinner
20:38:36 <jewhunter1488> bye
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20:38:41 <rust_collector> enjoy
20:38:53 <Halcyon> I love trolls
20:39:02 <Halcyon> Always fun to fuck with
20:39:15 <rust_collector> I can not reply to you, because my nick is not registered
20:39:25 <Halcyon> All good :)
20:39:46 <rust_collector> yeah, it made me look at how to register, lol
20:39:55 <rust_collector> not that that works...
20:40:33 <Halcyon> It's just: /msg nickserv register <password> <email>
20:40:49 <Stiff> nickop
20:41:07 <Halcyon> Sorry, yet
20:41:09 <Halcyon> yes
20:41:12 <Stiff> ;)
20:41:14 <Halcyon> Nickop, not nickserv :)
20:41:16 <Halcyon> Thanks Stiff
20:41:33 <rust_collector> I tried the NickOp, but... I will try again
20:41:33 <Stiff> np's i guess you get used to nickserv on other networks
20:42:02 <Halcyon> You should get a confirmation email
20:42:43 <Stiff> have any problems rust_collector go to #asd for help
20:42:57 <Stiff> Halcyon, who you been trolling
20:43:06 <rust_collector> little hitler
20:43:07 <Halcyon> jewhunter1488>
20:43:11 <Halcyon> See above
20:43:49 <Stiff> lol
20:43:54 <Halcyon> *smirk*
20:44:28 <Stiff> wowee
20:46:45 <Halcyon> Anyway, it's bed time
20:46:47 <Halcyon> Later gents
20:46:59 <Stiff> tis, later Halcyon
20:47:13 <rust_collector> good night
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21:09:28 <rust_collector> weird, it looks like irssi has some kind of problem with nickop.
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22:15:45 <gremlinz> /msg nickop ..
22:25:34 <rust_collector> Ooh, I will try that.
22:25:38 <rust_collector> thanks
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22:27:33 <rust_collector> Yeah, that works
22:45:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @stevevsninjas: Using little plastic dinosaurs and some fishline, I made a scene for my wife's car backup camera. Now we wait. https://…
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