// #eevblog — 2019-11-01
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00:25:24 <steve30> i'm back
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09:01:35 <T3sl4> guh, power blinked out
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11:15:46 <DHess_US> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/30/police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-search-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules/
11:21:38 <Halcyon> That's a bit shit
11:22:01 <Halcyon> I guess that's why people have home insurance though?
11:23:10 <coppice> doesn't home insurance exclude things like that?
11:24:16 <Halcyon> Not sure, I'll have a read of my policy
11:25:05 <Halcyon> Hmm so it does
11:25:11 <Halcyon> Mine excludes: "confiscation, nationalisation, requisition or damage by the police, a government authority or someone with the legal authority to do this."
11:26:35 <coppice> reading further their insurance covered the structure, but none of the contents
11:30:36 <DHess_US> The home was covered but since he was renting, nothing inside.
11:30:45 <Halcyon> Right
11:31:09 <DHess_US> Even if the police are recorded punitively destroying property, the court says it is ok.
11:31:27 <Halcyon> I guess them's the rules
11:31:31 <Halcyon> Whether we agree or not
11:31:52 <Halcyon> I can certainly see why people think it's unfair, but I can also see it from the court's point of view
11:32:38 <coppice> the court's point of view seems to be fuck the innocent
11:32:39 <DHess_US> The problem is that if it was truly a public good, then why is it paid for by an individual.
11:33:05 <DHess_US> The answer is that since the government won't pay for it, it was *not* a public good and the court fucking lied when it said it was.
11:33:22 <Halcyon> *shrug* I don't know enough of the facts to really form an opinion one way or another
11:33:47 <T3sl4> the police get free reign to do pretty much whatever, especially in tx
11:34:03 <T3sl4> it's almost as insane as our president and cabinet
11:34:06 <DHess_US> The only thing you need to know is what the court said. The court said it was a public good. Since the public isn't paying for it, the court lied.
11:34:09 <T3sl4> and half of congress
11:34:11 <DHess_US> They can't have it both ways.
11:34:11 <T3sl4> and, well
11:34:37 <Halcyon> Well no, I think there is much more to the story that isn't reported. I have known courts to be wrong before.
11:34:56 <DHess_US> The court wasn't wrong. They are just stealing from the innocent.
11:34:57 <Halcyon> Again, I can't form an opinion based on just one news article
11:35:03 <DHess_US> And not admitting it.
11:35:04 <Halcyon> Quite possibly
11:35:12 <coppice> I've heard its a big problem if the police crash into your car in US
11:36:29 <Halcyon> If Police crash into your car, here it's treated like any other collision (ie.: Through insurance)
11:36:57 <Halcyon> If Police are at fault, the Police insurer covers the costs
11:37:34 <DHess_US> Even if the police are recorded punitively destroying property, the court says it is ok.
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13:07:02 <orbii> protip: dont live in the US
13:40:04 <Ampera> michael_, you around?
13:40:10 <Ampera> also orbii that is a terrible tip
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13:59:54 <DHess_US> orbii, there are worse places.
14:00:02 <DHess_US> Mexico for instance.
14:01:25 <DHess_US> I'd include the UK as worse also.
14:01:31 <DHess_US> *All* of the UK.
14:19:45 <coppice> It depends what you do. Some places that would be good to live in one profession suck for another profession
14:21:40 <coppice> I've turned down several requests to go and live in the US. I don't find it an attractive place to live, but as an engineer (as long as you are not a junior one) it could be a good place for people with a different outlook to live
14:57:15 <orbii> i'm sure i would earn tonnes more money if i lived in the US, but you couldnt pay me enough.
15:10:13 <DHess_US> Eh, it's not so bad. My first job while I was in high school was tail gunner on a bread truck.
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15:32:23 <Ampera> There's more to life than simply profession.
15:32:44 <Ampera> I firmly believe the US to have the best system of rights afforded to its population of anywhere in the world.
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15:40:03 <orbii> Ampera: i guess the brainwashing works
15:40:31 <Ampera> Well for one we don't have any legal concept like hate speech.
15:40:39 <Ampera> For two, the police can't search us randomly on the street
15:42:05 <Ampera> but this is an old argument
15:42:13 <Ampera> and one I likely will never win, but never lose.
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16:38:08 <orbii> Ampera: i dont see much point having it - neither will agree either way :)
16:42:06 <michael_> Hey Ampera
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16:42:17 <Ampera> standby, doing updates, will be restarting in a sec
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16:42:26 <Halcyon> Okies
16:45:02 * T3sl4 hocks a bowl of chili at Halcyon
16:45:29 <Halcyon> Yum
16:45:38 <Halcyon> Did you make some?
16:46:32 <T3sl4> few days ago
16:46:50 <Halcyon> With beans and such?
16:46:56 <T3sl4> pork, beef (stew chunks), ground beef, pinto beans, habaneros...
16:47:08 <Halcyon> I'll have to get your recipe
16:47:59 <T3sl4> pretty typical, also i play it by ear
16:48:57 <T3sl4> lemme see here...
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16:54:52 <T3sl4> 1. brown meats; 2. chop 4 medium onions, 1 celery, 8 habaneros, 3 poblanos; 3. a few cans of tomatoes, good ones preferably; dad gave me a can of marzano style tomatoes he made which are nice; 4. spices, about 1/2c chili powder, 3tbsp cocoa powder, 1/4c ground cumin, 1 tbsp cinnamon, salt to taste; 5. beans (soak then drain then boil), started in water an hour previous; 6. simmer for three hours
16:56:07 <Halcyon> Nice :)
16:58:54 <T3sl4> was tempted to put some stout in it, but didn't
16:59:06 <Halcyon> Mmm that would be interesting
16:59:45 <T3sl4> or pumpkin, which i can see, and which i've heard about, but haven't tried it yet
17:05:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, you fucked me up
17:06:08 <Ampera> lxdm won't load wmaker, so I need to use a PXE rescue environment
17:06:12 <Ampera> and the arch one is also broken
17:06:21 <Ampera> I blame you for jinxing me
17:06:49 <Halcyon> Heh
17:06:51 <Halcyon> Soz
17:07:14 <Ampera> and debian's installer environment doesn't have support for NVMe
17:13:36 * T3sl4 cygwins Ampera
17:13:59 <Ampera> ah, I can ssh in, that works
17:14:32 <T3sl4> which actually, i gave a try with some code i saw that might be interesting, but it still didn't compile, and i don't know if i'm missing a package or what. oh well
17:23:46 * steve30 pokes Halcyon
17:34:07 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
17:34:08 <Halcyon> :)
17:36:16 <steve30> Halcyon, fancy calling me on SIP some time?
17:36:40 <Halcyon> Yep, I'm actually just staging a new hypervisor as we speak so I can get my SIP server up and running
17:36:49 <Halcyon> I hope to have it going tonight
17:38:34 <Ampera> I'm currently fixing all the shit arch broke when it updated
17:38:46 <Halcyon> Joy
17:48:25 <Ampera> Alright well it took one giant shit, but I managed to fix it pretty much
17:50:02 <Ampera> I must go to sleep now, though, Halcyon, so unfortunately I can't talk much longer
17:50:10 <Ampera> but I wanted to know if you ended up getting your desktop PC working again
17:51:10 <Ampera> When you do end up updating stuff, anyways, since you use windowmaker like me you might need to symlink some stuff because some things broke
17:51:23 <Ampera> simply do (as su) the following: ln /usr/lib/libMagickCore-6.Q16HDRI.so.6 /usr/lib/libMagickCore-7.Q16HDRI.so.6
17:51:27 <Halcyon> I haven't had time to look at it yet
17:51:38 <Ampera> and: ln /usr/lib/libMagickWand-6.Q16HDRI.so.6 /usr/lib/libMagickWand-7.Q16HDRI.so.6
17:51:52 <Ampera> then that should fix any problems with windowmaker not starting
17:53:01 <Ampera> if after you fix the sysvinit issue you can get into windowmaker, I suggest you systemctl disable lxdm, ensure that "exec wmaker" is in your /home/michael/.xinitrc, and then update
17:53:17 <Ampera> if you can't get into windowmaker, simply mount and apply the symlinks as I mentioned above.
17:54:01 <Ampera> anyways, I'll be going to sleep now, ciao
17:59:38 <T3sl4> you linux wranglers and your .so (significant objects)
18:01:22 <T3sl4> oh hey, spiderbro finished off its centipede dinner
18:01:28 <T3sl4> i wonder where the husk went
18:13:44 <orbii> you'll find it when you least expect it
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19:11:02 <Halcyon> YAY! New Hypervisor is up
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19:15:57 * steve30 wonders what a hypervisor is
19:18:55 <Halcyon> It's a server that hosts virtual machines
19:18:57 <T3sl4> it's like a one of these https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71YkvB7S2ZL._SY679_.jpg but edgier from the 90s
19:19:10 <Halcyon> Haahahah
19:42:57 * orbii touches Halcyon's hypervisor
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19:47:53 <Halcyon> Orbii: It's an old IBM X3650 M3
19:55:59 * orbii nods
19:56:26 <orbii> ive been pondering ordering an Odroid H2, so the partner can play with VM stuff .. just not sure i can justify the $500-600.
19:56:46 <orbii> nested hypervisor stuff in esxi is a pain, otherwise
19:56:59 <Halcyon> I just got rid of ESXi about 6 months ago
19:57:10 <Halcyon> Too many dramas and weird issues, it was a management nightmare
19:57:15 <orbii> weird.
19:57:21 <orbii> i've had esxi for .. shit .. going on 10+ years now
19:57:30 <Halcyon> I'm now using Proxmox
19:57:38 <orbii> only issues i've had were with it killing USB sticks every coupla years - so i just put it on an SSD
19:57:53 <Halcyon> Look, ESXi was great when it was working, but when things went wrong, it was just awful.
19:58:03 <orbii> i never had it go wrong, so i cant really complain
19:58:39 <orbii> every upgrade has gone smooth too
19:58:51 <orbii> i have automated scripts looking for software updates, and notify me
19:59:09 <orbii> (along with monitoring hardware stuff .. RAID status, etc)
19:59:23 <orbii> no vsphere fun or proper server hardware for me
20:00:47 <Halcyon> Holy shit Asterisk/FreePBX has more features than I can poke a stick at
20:01:11 <orbii> yup. it sure does.
20:01:17 <orbii> pretty straight forward to configure though
20:01:58 <orbii> just make sure your SIP isnt forwarded from the internet, or you'll get scans/hacks galore tho :)
20:02:10 <orbii> you'll want it locked down from only your SIP trunk providers
20:02:49 <orbii> and keep the admin port off the internet too - freepbx had a history of securty issues, and people stealing credentials to then use on SIP trunk providers to run up bills
20:02:56 <Halcyon> Yeh it's not
20:03:08 <Halcyon> As far as I'm aware, FreePBX handles everything through NAT
20:03:13 * orbii nods
20:03:22 <orbii> just be careful with inbound stuff
20:03:33 <Halcyon> I shouldn't have to port map anything
20:03:39 <orbii> 'k
20:03:55 <Halcyon> I split my server/management network and and the actual VoIP network on different VLANs
20:04:42 <Halcyon> Although I'm considering just sticking the FreePBX server itself also on the VoIP VLAN
20:04:45 <Halcyon> Just playing at the moment
20:31:10 <steve30> I haven't installed any PBX stuff yet, I'm just using my VoIP provider's stuff. But once I've got some IP phones I might set up Asterisk on a Raspberry Pi
20:34:11 <steve30> If I call a PSTN number in Australia, I get a choice of either AustraliaSydney, AustraliaMelbourne, AustraliaCanberra, AustraliaMobile, or just Australia.
20:34:39 <steve30> With the mobile one being expensive at 12.5p per minute, australia on its own being 3p, and the others being 2p
20:34:51 <Halcyon> I see
20:35:38 <steve30> Or if you have SIP I can call your SIP for free :). Or you can call my VoIP provider directly via SIP for free :)
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20:58:57 <Halcyon> Steve: Yeh I'll have to work it all out
20:59:05 <Halcyon> I've never set up VoIP before so this is all new to me
21:10:05 <Halcyon> Back soon
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21:39:01 <Halcyon> Mew
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22:09:08 <orbii> hmmm
22:09:17 <orbii> just did some of my first hot-air soldering work
22:09:21 <orbii> with solder paste, etc
22:10:23 <orbii> did one of those small smd practice boards from china with a mix of iron and hot-air to get the hang of it.
22:58:58 <T3sl4> oh that was weird, evidently i accidentally dumped /so many/ "BEL"s into my terminal, that windows itself refused to play the ding sound, and reverted to the "excess input" beep sound
22:59:44 <T3sl4> some /minutes/ after resetting the source of the BELs, windows randomly made the alert sound
22:59:56 <T3sl4> and now it's back to dinging on (single) BELs as usual
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