// #eevblog — 2019-06-08
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01:04:57 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
01:05:50 <Nothing\> well, i've given up trying to get libraries to work in this arm port of arduino's ide, i think i'm just gonna try to absorb as much as i can from the max7219's datasheet and try to work out how to make them work from scratch
01:06:10 <Nothing\> i realized in all of my attempts, i've never once gotten a single non-default library to work in that thing
01:14:58 <steve30> According to today's paper, the local vicar think gay relationships eduction in schools == child abuse.
01:16:00 <rust_collector> well, I think he is already confused, so who cares what he thinks?
01:28:14 <Nothing\> steve30: that's okay, you should see the crap they're teaching kids in the new curriculum they brought out for sex ed fairly recently
01:28:33 <Nothing\> off the top of my head, i recall they taught kids in grade 4 about masturbation and anal sex
01:28:42 <Nothing\> i'm not a prude, but even i think that's a bit much
01:28:58 <Nothing\> why on earth does a kid that young need to know what anal sex is
01:28:59 <steve30> yeah, that's a bit much
01:29:16 <Nothing\> i dunno if they ever changed it, but it pissed off a LOT of parents
01:29:36 <Nothing\> what exactly is a vicar anyways is that like a bishop for the church of england or something
01:29:42 <coppice_> haven't 4th grade kids already figured out masturbation?
01:29:51 <Nothing\> coppice_: i know i did at that age
01:30:14 <coppice_> a vicar runs a single church in the C of E
01:30:22 <Nothing\> but yeah that i have no problem with, would probably do some kids good to be told they're not evil for doing it
01:30:23 <coppice_> a bishop is the area manager
01:30:42 <Nothing\> huh i wouldn't think the church of england would have a bishop, too close to catholocism i would think
01:31:10 <Nothing\> i'd imagine they would have wanted to distance themselves as much as they could from catholocism
01:31:34 <coppice_> the C of E was just a hostile takeover. They kept the management structure in place
01:31:46 <Nothing\> that's really interesting though, i always heard of vicars but never really considered what they were until just now, i just assumed they were a church of england thing cuz i only ever heard brits talk about them
01:32:02 <Nothing\> i guess that makes sense, it's like taking over a turn key operation
01:32:06 <Nothing\> why fix what isn't broken
01:32:55 <Nothing\> ah it's so beautiful out again today, it even smells beautiful
01:33:13 <Nothing\> of course i probably won't be saying that when it's 35 degrees in here and the air's perfectly still
01:34:14 <coppice_> they kept everything up to Arch Bishop being the head of the church in England, and used the King in place of the Pope as the CEO
01:35:02 <Nothing\> i guess that makes sense since the king is supposedly appointed by god anyways
01:37:04 <coppice_> Anyone who'll believe in this stuff will be prepared to accept pretty much anyone as the boss
01:38:43 <Nothing\> yeah i didn't even considered that somebody would actually believe the monach is appointed by god, at least not in this day and age
01:39:28 <Nothing\> and i wonder how many people genuinely believed it back in the day, say the tudor age
01:40:23 <coppice_> How many ever believe in religion, and how many go along with it to main the connection between their head and body?
01:40:41 <Nothing\> i do
01:40:53 <Nothing\> and i spent most of my life as a staunch atheist
01:41:28 <Nothing\> though i don't follow christianity as closely as most practicing christians seem to
01:41:44 <Nothing\> the dogmatic stuff
01:44:21 <coppice_> As soon as most European governments stopped pushing Christianity the population largely abandoned it. They strongly suggests strong support was only ever people keeping their head down to avoid trouble. The US is the odd man out, as christianity is very commercialised there, and maintains a considerable following
01:51:26 <DHess_US> The difference is that in the past, they couldn't know better.
01:52:04 <DHess_US> The US is stuck in the 1700s.
02:00:33 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
02:00:41 <Ampera> and also hi Nothing\
02:01:59 <Ampera> lol yeah, a school near here I live iirc was trying to teach kids about BDSM and sub/dom relationships and terms
02:02:32 <Ampera> along with enought LGBT subjectivism that would make the Nazis impressed at the sheer amount of policical indoctrination
02:40:22 <Nothing\> heya Ampera how goes it?
02:43:14 <Nothing\> but yeah that's messed up, kids don't need to know what bdsm is
02:43:22 <Nothing\> at least not before high school
02:45:06 <Nothing\> weird, i was just reading a datasheet from TI and hovered over something invisible that brought up a yellow pop up box with something about narandu or some such, it disappeared before i could read it
02:47:32 <Nothing\> i'm kinda glad the libraries on my arduino don't work, i'm actually enjoying learning more in depth about the max7219
02:48:02 <Nothing\> there's apparently a newer, better version of the 7219 now though, what was it called
02:48:15 <Nothing\> 6950, that's it
02:54:46 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah i was thinking it's a wonder anybody knew anything that was true back in the day considering how easily false information can be spread, and with no references readily available there would be no stopping it
02:55:28 <Nothing\> considering false information spreads exponentially, ie one guy tells 2 friends, who each tell two friends, who in turn tell two friends each and so on and so on
02:58:46 <Ampera> Nothing\, I forget the details, and don't know how it transpired, so I'm just rambling
02:59:08 <Nothing\> no worries, that's what IRC is for :P
02:59:15 <Nothing\> so what's Ampera up to today?
02:59:28 <Ampera> uhhhhh
02:59:33 <Nothing\> sounds fun
02:59:34 <Nothing\> lol
02:59:37 <Ampera> swedish meatballs
02:59:57 <Nothing\> right on, can't say i'm a fan of them but i do like me some homemade meatballs
03:00:11 <Nothing\> corn flakes actually go really good in meatballs in place of the breadcrumbs
03:00:12 <Ampera> you're a meatball
03:05:19 <Nothing\> what exactly does this mean "it operates analogously to an overdriven balanced mixer" what on earth is a balanced mixer? this is in the context of an XOR phase comparator
03:05:37 <Nothing\> like i know what a frequency mixer is, but what do they mean by balanced?
03:06:05 <DHess_US> Nothing\, you might be suprrised, educations were they existed were comparable to now. But for instance the math and game theory behind election systems was not known until after the US was founded.
03:06:44 <Nothing\> i guess that makes sense, i mean the fundamentals haven't really changed in several hundred years
03:06:58 <DHess_US> Critical thinking tends to be lacking in modern education making people susceptible to false information.
03:07:02 <Nothing\> or thousand even, although the way they do math has definitely changed since roman times
03:07:21 <Nothing\> yeah that's a big part that's lacking from seemingly all western education
03:07:52 <Nothing\> i've heard some people claim it's intentional so people can be more easily manipulated by the government, but i don't believe that
03:07:59 <DHess_US> The EU countries seem to do much better in that respect and I suspect it shows in the less secular nature on US institutions.
03:08:23 <DHess_US> Oh, it *is* intentional to some degree but perhapse for other reasons.
03:08:49 <Nothing\> i wonder though if it's better in EU countries BECAUSE it's taught in education systems better, or if it's more a product of their society
03:09:34 <coppice_> Nobody has ever demonstrated that critical thinking can be taught. it can certainly be polishing, but seem either have it or you don't
03:09:41 <DHess_US> Some of it is simply that most EU countries are "newer" than the US in the sense of having their governing systems changed since 1750 or so.
03:10:15 <DHess_US> coppice_, but it can certainly be smothered by not being taught.
03:10:35 <Nothing\> that's a good point too coppice_, how on earth would you even devise a curriculum to teach that? or how could you make standardized testing to quantify the effectiveness of said curriculum
03:10:48 <coppice_> no it can't. the questioning mind ALWAYS questions, although it may keep very quiet about it
03:11:14 <DHess_US> That gets into that whole Orwel thing where if you don't teach the language neccessary for critical thinking, then people will not be able to think critically.
03:11:37 <DHess_US> Societies have played that game going back to Sparta.
03:11:55 <DHess_US> If you don't teach the language of rebellion, then you can have no rebellion.
03:12:03 <coppice_> DHess_US: that idea works well in the narrative of his books, but linguists say it doesn't happen in real languages
03:12:04 <Nothing\> coppice_: so you really think critical thinking is more a fundamental personality trait rather than something that's learned? or are you saying you can't learn it on demand, but rather you need to learn it through experience and life in general?
03:12:41 <DHess_US> It doesn't happen when people can learn such language anyway. That doesn't make it impossible, but it is still effective.
03:12:42 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah actually language is a big part of one's understanding of the world
03:13:13 <DHess_US> I'm saying whether it is inherent or not, it still has to be trained.
03:13:27 <coppice_> Nothingg\: its either innate, or locked in by very early development. Beyond early development, attempts to develop critical thinking in those who lack it have been dismal failures
03:13:55 <Nothing\> the names civilizations use for colors is actually a good example of how language can affect one's scope of understanding of the world
03:14:10 <Ampera> supposedly sweden made homophobia criminally illegal
03:14:19 <Nothing\> how does that work
03:14:27 <Ampera> I'm not sure to what extent or limitation
03:14:38 <Ampera> but doesn't surprise me, the EU is notorious for banning thoughts
03:14:46 <coppice_> Ampera: does that mean they've banned religion?
03:14:50 <Nothing\> but yeah you can't really understand something if you don't even have the language to describe it
03:15:00 <Nothing\> coppice_: not all religions are homophobic
03:15:04 <Ampera> coppice_, all of them except islam, since they get a special pass /j
03:15:13 <Nothing\> it seems catholicism is big on that though
03:15:17 <Nothing\> yeah, and islam
03:15:38 <coppice_> Nothing\: that's rubbish. we do all new things without the language for them having yet been developed
03:15:56 <coppice_> Nothing\: which are not homophobic?
03:16:00 <Nothing\> oh sure, we do them, but our understanding of them is limited by a lack of language to describe it
03:16:08 <Nothing\> coppice_: well afaik lutheranism
03:16:39 <Nothing\> not all forms of christianity are anti-gay
03:16:46 <Ampera> Let me look at that specifically
03:16:57 <Nothing\> yeah i've gotta admit i'm not 100% on the lutheran thing
03:17:07 <Nothing\> but i'm certain there are forms of christianity which aren't homophobic
03:17:29 <DHess_US> The Lutherians here are even more delusional than most.
03:17:39 <coppice_> Nothing\: so, do they use the Franie Boyle interpretation of "a man who lies with another man should be stoned" is that being drunk just helps?
03:18:08 <Nothing\> coppice_: yeah i've gotta admit, the old testament has quite a few things i don't agree with
03:18:25 <Nothing\> there's one part in deuteronomy that says if your genitals are mutilated in any way, you can't get into heaven
03:18:38 <Nothing\> it used to be one of my favorite quotes just cuz it's worded so funny
03:18:38 <coppice_> Oh, your mix and match to taste Christian
03:18:52 <Ampera> what I saw must have been old or different
03:18:53 <Nothing\> not exactly, i'm still trying to figure it all out
03:19:11 <Ampera> anyways it seems like their restrictions are similar to our civil rights legislation (1960's), just with some added spice
03:19:12 <Nothing\> my beliefs aren't in stone though, they constantly change depending on new information and experiences
03:19:29 <Ampera> and annoyingly they no longer classify transgenderism as a mental disorder
03:19:45 <coppice_> They'll have to change a lot as you work your way through the bible, as its so contradictory
03:20:16 <Nothing\> but yeah coppice_ that's been a hurdle for me, trying to deal with parts of the bible which i don't agree with, tbh i don't follow it very closely, nor am i very strong christian, but i do the best i can with what i'm given
03:22:31 <Nothing\> i figure though, i need to learn hebrew and read the bible as it was originally written to form a better interpretation of it
03:22:41 <DHess_US> hehe, I know a famous quote about evolution which applies to the Bible.
03:22:50 <Nothing\> yeah? let's hear it
03:22:51 <coppice_> Ampera: the crazies are trying to claim transgenderism is a not any kind of medical disorder, even though it requires massive medical intervention to deal with it
03:23:19 <Nothing\> coppice_: what massive medical intervention is needed? or do you mean surgery?
03:23:31 <coppice_> that's the usual one
03:23:48 <Nothing\> not every transgender person gets surgery, actually ime it's been the exception
03:24:12 <Nothing\> although just about every one i've known was taking hormones to change their physical characteristics
03:24:24 <coppice_> being transgender was the exception, until it became fashionable
03:24:26 <Nothing\> so maybe it was just that surgery was too expensive or invasive, i don't know their reasoning
03:24:56 <Nothing\> i think it's more the fact that it's not judged to be such a harsh taboo anymore
03:25:02 <DHess_US> Trying to find it so I can give it justice.
03:25:18 <Nothing\> at least with the people i've known, i have no doubt there are people who act trans because it's edgy or fashionable though
03:25:26 <Nothing\> metrosexuals i guess, but for trans
03:25:43 <Nothing\> the people i knew who were trans were quite genuine about it though
03:26:06 <Nothing\> you don't take hormones to change your sexual characteristics just because it's trendy
03:26:14 <Nothing\> well, not unless you have some serious problems
03:26:41 <coppice_> Its quite horrifying what society hase imposed on the genuines ones over the centuries, but right now its a bandwagon out of control
03:27:15 <Nothing\> ah here: deut 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD
03:27:40 <coppice_> you have to be a dick to go to heaven
03:27:50 <Nothing\> coppice_: oh i know man, even just reading about what society's done to women for just being women
03:28:05 <Nothing\> especially in victorian times
03:28:25 <Nothing\> or mental health treatment in general was just appalling
03:28:53 <Nothing\> they really need to revoke walter freeman's nobel prize
03:29:00 <Nothing\> worst nobel prize ever
03:29:02 <coppice_> mental health treatment is still appaling. If you have problems try really hard to avoid others finding out
03:29:53 <DHess_US> Let them do what they want. The problem will solve itself eventually. Think of it as evolution in action.
03:30:15 <Nothing\> oh i know all too well how it is to have to put on a mask every time you're in public
03:31:17 <Nothing\> although i find it helps to do that, if i actually talk about my problems and express my emotions it just sort of reinforces the notion that there's something wrong, where if i try to cover it up and pretend everything's normal, i can almost convince myself that things are fine and go on feeling relatively fine
03:31:42 <coppice_> there is such a taboo against suicide, yet most people are quite happy about medication that stops you being you any more
03:32:21 <Nothing\> one thing that really bothers me is all of the misunderstandings about mental health and how they're perpetuated by media
03:32:34 <Nothing\> like portrayals of mental illness on tv and movies
03:33:18 <Nothing\> i've been accused of faking depression more than once because i wasn't moping around or crying myself to sleep every night
03:33:42 <Nothing\> people see you laugh or smile at something and figure you can't possibly be depressed
03:34:36 <Nothing\> although people are like that about illness in general, one of the reverends at my church had some health problems and had to take a leave of absence, and some people were getting pissy because they still saw him out and about in the community so they figured he was just being lazy or something, i dunno
03:34:42 <coppice_> if you have depression you need to find a doctor who suffers from it. None of the others have a clue what it is. They think is relates to bad things happening in your life. That's just feeling bad for a valid reason.
03:34:56 <Nothing\> yes, absolutely
03:35:52 <Nothing\> i was in a detox center years and years back where all of the staff were recovering addicts themselves, and it was sooo much better talking to them than any other professional cuz they knew exactly what you were going through and could relate and provide realistic advice
03:36:43 <Nothing\> although ime anyways doctors haven't been very helpful for depression, all they do is send me off to a psychiatrist, who in turn tries to prescribe medication which usually just causes more problems than it helps
03:36:54 <Nothing\> if it does anything at all, that is
03:37:24 <Nothing\> not to mention the fact that you have to wait 6-12 months for a referral
03:38:11 <Nothing\> i got a referral from a&e back in january and i still haven't heard back from it
03:41:39 <Nothing\> still, one thing people lose site of is the fact that even though mental health treatment is still appalling, it has improved by leaps and bounds in the last century, so we're at least making progress
03:41:48 <Nothing\> *sight
03:43:22 <coppice_> the physical treatment has improved, but everything else is open to question. Even much of the physical treatment has been nasty, like closing facilities where the vulnerable were at least protected, and dumping them on the street.
03:44:07 <Nothing\> lol here's a food of the day for you guys, rainbow bagels
03:44:09 <Nothing\> https://i.imgur.com/iYzfMwk.jpg
03:44:17 <Nothing\> found these at walmart today
03:46:00 <Nothing\> coppice_: well they've got a policy now where if possible they'll try to restrain you chemically rather than physically, which is still terrible, but not AS terrible, plus they've gained a much better understanding into the root causes and done away with useless, frivolous diagnoses like "hysteria" or things like labeling a fussy teenage girl as being severely mentally ill and prescribing a lobotomy, ie rosemary kennedy
03:48:21 <coppice_> Nothing\: there's far too much of the attitude that "this may or may not make you feel better, but the drug companies definitely feel better and that's good enough for us"
03:51:21 <Nothing\> that's cuz it's the only real way they can treat you with drugs, it's literally just a guessing game of trial and error
03:52:26 <Nothing\> they prescribe one antidepressant, give it 2 months to start working while you deal with terrible side effects, then it doesn't end up working so they take you off of it, you end up going through withdrawal for a while even though they swear up and down these meds aren't physically addictive, and then you do it all over again
03:53:08 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure there's mounting evidence that SSRIs aren't much more effective than placebos, though, but either way it's disgusting how drug companies push/have pushed these meds on people
03:53:18 <Nothing\> drug reps have got to be one of the lowest forms of life
03:53:43 <coppice_> they aren't too concerned when one of those drugs trashes your memory and your reasoning. As long as you feel less depressed that log this as a win.
03:54:17 <steve30> My SSRIs have gone up in price. My wallet might start getting anxiety in the near future.
03:54:18 <coppice_> They prescribe drugs because things like CBT actually require hard work
03:54:41 <steve30> I've had withdrawal effects from anti depressants. They're not pleasant.
03:55:04 <Nothing\> coppice_: any psychiatrist i've asked about CBT scoffed at the idea
03:55:12 <Nothing\> they acted like it wasn't even an option
03:56:10 <Nothing\> steve30: yeah i never took them long enough to get that, but when i was prescribed zoloft when i was 16 i took a bottle of 90 tylenol with codeines, they figured it was because of a reaction to the zoloft
03:56:12 <coppice_> CBT does seem to help many people, and really work them out of their problems permanently.
03:56:20 <Nothing\> cuz apparently SSRIs can sometimes make you suicidal, go figure
03:56:48 <coppice_> "suicidal thoughts" is a side effect listed for most drugs
03:57:24 <Nothing\> coppice_: from the bit i've read on it, it seems about as effective as SSRIs, but with the added benefit of a lower rate of relapse on account of being taught things which will benefit you long term, rather than just covering up the symptoms and hope the cause will go away on its own
03:57:31 <coppice_> and gard to demonstrate. many sicknesses are enough to give people suicidal thoughts
03:57:35 <coppice_> and hard
03:58:17 <Nothing\> yeah actually i was severely ill over the weekend and it was actually bad enough to make me genuinely consider suicide, i definitely would if i had to deal with it more than a couple of days
03:58:36 <Nothing\> severe stomach pains and vomiting blood uncontrollably cuz advil destroyed my stomach
03:59:21 <Nothing\> it's not the first time i've been sick enough to literally wish i were dead either
03:59:22 <coppice_> Nothing\: Greg Lukianoff's writings on how social media is like CBT in reverse, and a good candidate for why the fragility of youngsters seems to be soaring, are quite interesting
03:59:46 <Nothing\> hrm i didn't even consider that about social media
03:59:57 <Nothing\> although one could argue media in general is a sort of reverse cbt
04:00:05 <Nothing\> especially the news
04:01:10 <steve30> I've been on anti depressants for 8 years now, so plenty of time to be at risk of withdrawal effects
04:02:10 <coppice_> he does say that. He was brought out of depression by CBT and so looks at the world from the perspective of "what is around me that might work to defeat CBT?". He finds social media is like reverse CBT on steroids, much worse than other aspects of society
04:08:11 <Ampera> coppice_, yeah and all it does is hurt people like me
04:08:18 <Ampera> who no longer get treated seriously or given help
04:09:29 <Ampera> I'm fucking sick of all of this shit, but I have to keep dealing with it, it's beyond insane
04:26:56 <Nothing\> Ampera: that's why i removed myself from society as much as possible
04:27:16 <Nothing\> although reclusiveness isn't for everyone, especially the isolation
04:32:05 <Ampera> Nothing\, you can remove yourself from society as much as you want, but no matter how well you do it, at some point, you'll have to deal with it.
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04:32:25 <Ampera> Interacting with society is the key way people move up in the world, and I need to take advantage of that if I am to do the same, otherwise I won't get anywhere.
04:34:45 <Nothing\> yeah sadly it's not very easy to completely remove oneself from society
04:34:57 <Nothing\> unless you become the unibomber
04:35:26 <Nothing\> especially if you like creature comforts
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04:39:27 <DHess_US> https://images.apina.biz/full/61816.jpg
05:42:29 <coppice_> Nothing\: the combination of remote working and ordering everything from amazon lets the modern hermit live better than at any point in history
05:43:11 <coppice_> damn. I've missed my hermit's support group meeting
06:01:19 <T3sl4> i thought it was scheduled same as the apathy support group
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07:18:54 <coppice_> T3sl4: you might be right. I didn;t check
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07:40:03 <T3sl4> guh, forum just died
08:03:09 <rust_collector> O gawd. I just had a drinking contest with a couple from poland... tomorrow will be interesting
08:03:21 <T3sl4> yeah don't do that
08:03:53 <rust_collector> well, I will meet them tomorrow, so we will see who suffers the most
08:04:21 <rust_collector> And I just went there to assemble a greenhouse...
08:05:08 <rust_collector> a bottle of jim beam and one bottle of jack and coke, and a few beers... I dunno anything any more
08:06:21 <rust_collector> I have to admit polish beer is quite ok. Norwegian beer is usually all aftertaste, and no real taste. this was the other way around, which is a good thing
08:07:24 <rust_collector> Ok, wife is on netflix, I better find a few minutes of fun music, while I can
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09:25:45 <Guest|34130> any forum admins online?
09:27:32 <T3sl4> i don't think any even come here
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09:27:47 <T3sl4> wait, does Halcyon count? or is that just mod
09:29:08 <Ampera> he's a mod for a section of the forum, not all of it
09:29:34 <T3sl4> yeah
10:16:41 <Halcyon> Hm?
10:16:55 <Halcyon> Oh hai boys
10:17:46 <steve30> maybe halcyon will manage it :p
10:17:47 <steve30> <Okie> Quick jspiros, name 5 brands of Hair dye. Go!
10:18:57 <Halcyon> I can't even name one
10:20:09 <steve30> We were just talking about brand names of lady's products in the other channel.
10:20:52 <Halcyon> Tampax
10:26:05 <steve30> moving on... did you see my comment about the local newspaper Halcyon?
10:26:27 <Halcyon> I did not
10:26:48 <steve30> <steve30> According to today's paper, the local vicar think gay relationships eduction in schools == child abuse.
10:27:02 <Halcyon> ROFL
10:27:14 <Halcyon> And the churches wonder why people are leaving them in droves
10:31:01 <steve30> I might make some toast
10:31:31 <Halcyon> I just had coffee
10:40:38 <steve30> we're having indian takeaway tomorrow night
10:41:33 <Halcyon> Mmmm curry
10:43:44 <steve30> I don't know whether its a buggy Linux or a buggy CD drive, but why does ejecting a CD have to be so damn difficult in this day and age?
10:43:57 <Halcyon> Via software?
10:44:25 <steve30> via pressing the eject button on the drive
10:44:41 <Halcyon> Oh, I don't see why that should be an issue? Never run into that before
10:44:48 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:44:53 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
10:45:04 <steve30> sometimes it doesn't work, and sometimes it opens then immediately shuts
10:45:15 <Halcyon> Does it happen on more than one drive?
10:45:23 <Halcyon> Or with the drive disconnected from data?
10:45:43 <Ampera> steve30, some systems will lock the optical drive from opening, although I believe if you press it enough times it will override
10:45:52 <Ampera> on linux the easiest way to eject a CD is with the command "eject"
10:45:57 <steve30> not sure, i don't really use it enough to bother figuring it out
10:46:07 <Halcyon> Easier than pressing a button on the drive?
10:46:25 <Ampera> Halcyon, depends on /where/ the drive is
10:46:30 <Halcyon> Of course
10:46:33 <Ampera> and how nearby an open terminal is
10:46:39 <Ampera> which, for me, is ususally right there
10:47:06 <Halcyon> I figured if you're reaching over to insert/remove a disc, you could just press 1 button instead of 6
10:47:29 <Halcyon> But that's just me :)
10:47:38 <Ampera> note when I said "linux"
10:47:55 <Ampera> pressing the button technically goes above the system's control
10:47:57 <Halcyon> I use a USB optical drive, which is hardly every connected anymore
10:48:03 <Ampera> besides the aforementioned disc locking
10:48:04 <Halcyon> *ever
10:48:16 <Ampera> I should switch to one, so that moving to a modern case is more easy, but eh, money
10:49:03 <Ampera> anyways how do Halcyon
10:49:07 <Halcyon> Not too bad
10:49:17 <Ampera> I just had swedish meatballs and egg noodles
10:49:18 <Halcyon> Got to go clean the kitchen shortly, I made a mess :P
10:49:22 <Halcyon> Oh yum
10:49:36 <Ampera> I don't need to know about the "messes" you make in your "kitchen"
10:49:49 <Halcyon> It's food messes
10:50:11 <Ampera> anything is edible if you're brave and/or slutty enough
10:50:17 <Halcyon> I guess
10:50:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, wanna show you something neat, standby
10:50:29 <Halcyon> Okies
10:51:11 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/0Az4XOs.png
10:51:49 <Halcyon> Hah
10:51:55 <Halcyon> I see what you did there :P
10:51:59 <Ampera> http://i.prntscr.com/-obzItjQRz6BY0O-_ka3xg.png
10:52:29 <Halcyon> What am I looking at Ampera?
10:52:36 <Ampera> notice the IRC client OS and the screenfetch OS
10:52:40 <Halcyon> Oh you're running Next
10:52:44 <Ampera> no
10:52:47 <Ampera> that's just a logo
10:52:51 <Halcyon> Oh damn
10:52:53 <Ampera> it's WindowMaker
10:53:07 <Ampera> Right now I am in Connecticut, 120 miles away from home.
10:53:12 <Halcyon> Yup...
10:53:14 <Ampera> Yet, I am not running an IRC client on my tablet
10:53:22 <Halcyon> Technology aye ;-)
10:53:51 <Ampera> My IRC client is running on my FreeBSD server in New York, and via tha magic of Xpra, my new favourite Unix/Linux program, I can get it, in perfect quality, over a cable internet connection
10:54:02 <Ampera> well this end is cable, my server is FttP
10:54:03 * Halcyon pats Ampera
10:54:13 <Ampera> I'm just amazed at how well this works
10:54:29 <Ampera> I'm using WebP compression, which is sort of like souped up JPEG
10:54:43 <Ampera> and the latency and quality is great
10:55:13 <Ampera> The screenshot is of my tablet.
10:56:03 <Ampera> I'm also listening to music off a network share
10:56:09 <Ampera> also off my server
10:56:25 <Ampera> In theory I could Xpra my entire desktop environment over, and in the future I might do that.
10:58:40 * steve30 has toast
11:04:04 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
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11:46:35 <steve30> wb
11:47:56 <steve30> i kinda want to go to bed, but i don't feel tired enough
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11:54:12 <Halcyon_> Sorry for the joins/rejoins
11:54:20 <Halcyon_> Just been fiddling with my switch
11:57:10 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon_'s lap
11:57:15 Nick: Halcyon_ is now known as Halcyon
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11:57:23 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
11:57:34 <Halcyon> You can sit on my lap any time :)
12:03:06 <damian> `kick Halcyon
12:03:08 <DHess_US> Switches are how the devil gets inside your network.
12:03:09 <damian> damnit
12:03:14 <damian> why don't i have access in here yet
12:03:17 <damian> i'm one of the oldest members!
12:03:33 <DHess_US> See! Damian is here!
12:03:48 <damian> yes!
12:03:52 <damian> now where's all the cute ladies at
12:05:32 <DHess_US> Don't get your hopes up. The cute ladies are all FBI agents.
12:05:59 <damian> i'm willing to take the chance
12:07:21 * steve30 is feeling a bit bored
12:33:14 <damian> what should i have for lunch
12:33:16 <damian> porridge?
12:33:28 <rust_collector> yep
12:53:50 <DHess_US> What should someone named Damian have for lunch? Are you kidding? The blood of the innocent comes to mind.
13:01:32 <damian> that's breakfast mate
13:10:13 <Halcyon> Meanie damian
13:30:54 <damian> teheheh
13:50:34 <Halcyon> YAY! Got a 4 Gbit link between switches now :D
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14:46:45 Nick: Halcyon is now known as Halcyon1
14:55:21 Nick: Halcyon1 is now known as Halcyon
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14:55:27 <Halcyon> Mew
15:01:01 <Stiff> moo
15:02:17 <T3sl4> buh
15:02:44 <soulreap> hi
15:03:06 <DogWomble> ribbit
15:24:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Any fool could see the #VoxAdpocalypse coming, it was guaranteed. The ones supporting it are beyond fools and will eventually get hit by it in some way themselves, again, guaranteed.
16:09:23 <soulreap> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VeGW8bET/20190608_161540.jpg
16:09:35 <soulreap> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IWF7Qf0O/20190608_161549.jpg
16:09:48 <soulreap> spiiiiiiiders
16:09:56 <soulreap> with sacks
16:10:00 <T3sl4> nice
16:10:02 <soulreap> in shed
16:10:06 <soulreap> aggggggh
16:10:16 <T3sl4> omnomnomming all the flies
16:11:06 <soulreap> mum sprayed them alllllll
16:23:28 <Halcyon> Ew, where is that soulreap ?
16:24:58 <soulreap> we went to shed in the side yard
16:25:06 <soulreap> full of spiderzz
16:27:52 <soulreap> i think redbacks
16:27:55 <soulreap> idk
17:06:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @TechCrunch: Maker Faire halts operations and lays off all staff https://t.co/1Iu1Hcy2CM by @joshconstine https://t.co/1TQFKwTFKe
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17:50:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @textfiles: Thanks to Deep Bot, who tipped us off about Make closing and giving archive team a week to grab stuff before news broke
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18:01:42 <desu> hi
18:12:22 <DogWomble> hi desu
18:12:26 <soulreap> hi desu
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18:23:22 <desu> l.sup
18:23:24 <desu> sup
18:26:01 <soulreap> i thikn i feel tired
18:26:57 <desu> me too
18:28:09 <soulreap> my eyes feel tired
18:34:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: What happened to Make is obvious. They had been paying off their losses from from investment cash reserves for a long time instead of fixing the business. They failed to find a new investor at the 11th hour. Cash runs out = instant shutdown. That shouldn't happen after 10 years.
18:40:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Was Make doomed to failure by taking $10M in investment capital? Could an event company and magazine for makers ever make a multiplier return for their investors? And that return has to come from operating profits, or from further investors down the road. Inevitable?
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20:00:15 <desu> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc4046a.pdf
20:00:44 <desu> if there's no formula listed for C1 and R1 am i just supposed to use their values?
20:01:12 <desu> uh for the vco
20:04:46 <desu> well of course im supposed to use their values but
20:04:54 <desu> is there any kind of math behind it
20:20:23 <T3sl4> fig 11-15
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