// #eevblog — 2019-06-10
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00:25:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, huh I didn't see that
00:25:45 <Ampera> because that would have explained it all to me
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03:51:15 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZS9M52Bd_w
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07:12:56 <steve30> o/
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08:21:45 <Guest|13089> any tips for how to solder a wire into a hole
08:22:13 <Guest|13089> i have difficulty holding wire, solder wire, soldering iron at same time, is there a smarter way
08:30:32 <DHess_US> Usually the wire will hook into the hole slightly and stay in place so you only have to hold the solder and iron.
08:32:53 <Guest|13089> i tried that but it doesnt want to really stay there too much
08:41:18 <DHess_US> So bend it a little.
08:42:26 <DHess_US> If that doesn't work, then get one of those "third hand" stands which have articulated alligator clips. Or wet the wire with solder, hold it in the hole, add some solder to the iron, and then apply iron to the hole.
09:23:18 <Guest|13089> thanks
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10:21:36 <Halcyon> Ahhh noobs
10:21:36 <Halcyon> :P
10:21:42 <DHess_US> Someone asking me for a fan speed control. I think I will install a small variac into an outlet box.
10:22:04 <DHess_US> It would be nice if I could find a fuse or breaker to go with it.
10:22:06 <Halcyon> Ampera: Wha?
10:22:31 <Halcyon> Just shove a bit of wire in there :P Do what the Chinese do
10:22:39 <Halcyon> Or use a resistor as a fuse ;-)
10:32:30 <DHess_US> I might install an inline fuse inside the outlet box but ... there would be room for a real fuse holder ... hmm.
10:32:57 <DHess_US> A miniature circuit breaker would be nice.
10:33:06 <DHess_US> I'd have to order it though.
10:33:17 <DHess_US> And it would take up a lot of space.
10:41:02 <Halcyon> So do you just build things for people?
10:41:10 <Halcyon> Or is this a side project?
10:46:35 <DHess_US> Oh, someone brought it up and I said, yea, I can do that.
10:46:52 <DHess_US> I have this tiny cute variac that I picked up at a garage sale a coupel years ago.
10:46:56 <DHess_US> 2.25 amps
10:47:38 <T3sl4> DHess_US: these are cool too https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/3-350566-1/A100539CT-ND/2233459
10:47:39 <DHess_US> Small enough to fit into a standard outlet box.
10:47:53 <T3sl4> had been meaning to look them up for a long time, finally did
10:48:24 <DHess_US> I was thinking of using it to dim some standard size LED lights for reading in bed.
10:51:48 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:53:58 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
10:55:23 <T3sl4> hi steve30
10:55:50 * Halcyon pounces on Steve
10:56:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, I hadn't seen that you posted that link
10:56:06 * steve30 purrs
10:56:10 <Halcyon> Oh right
10:56:16 <Halcyon> Fine, ignore what I say
10:56:19 <Halcyon> *pouts*
10:56:51 * Ampera hugs Halcyon, dribbling all over him
10:57:02 <Halcyon> You're so romantic :P
10:57:17 <steve30> Notepad ++ seems good as an HTML editor
10:57:31 <Halcyon> Yup
10:59:51 * steve30 has coffee
11:00:00 <Halcyon> There is something ASMR'y about Big Clive undoing screws in plastic products using his little multi-tip screw driver
11:00:03 <Halcyon> YAY! Me too Steve
11:00:43 <steve30> i think i'll try and go to the gym this morning
11:00:50 <Halcyon> To work out or to perv?
11:00:58 <steve30> both :p
11:01:00 <Halcyon> Heh
11:01:05 <Halcyon> Good boy
11:04:02 <steve30> I've been websiting this morning. Its about time I updated my website.
11:04:18 <Halcyon> Are you going to have a kink section?
11:04:25 <steve30> nope
11:04:28 <Halcyon> Dammit
11:04:43 <steve30> aww
11:12:46 <Ampera> I'd love to run a porn website at some point, but I'd want to do it after moving out
11:12:50 <Ampera> so my liability is my own
11:13:02 <Halcyon> You're not allowed to run a porn site there?
11:13:16 <steve30> Who would the 'models' be?
11:13:22 <Ampera> well now, not at my age
11:13:26 <Ampera> I'm not even allowed to watch porn
11:13:26 <Halcyon> Ampera himself of course :P
11:13:30 <Halcyon> Wha!
11:13:38 <Halcyon> What are they going to do if you watch porn?
11:13:39 <Ampera> but no, it would be an aggregate of all of my specialized fetish porn
11:13:52 <Ampera> as there isn't really much available for that, and it would be nice to let other people have access to my collection
11:13:58 <Ampera> nothing
11:14:09 <Ampera> idk if it's illegal, but it's highly frowned upon at least
11:14:11 <Ampera> or rather at most
11:14:39 <Halcyon> He's it's unlawful to supply such material to minors (like supplying alcohol) but to possess/consume it isn't against the law for a minor
11:15:01 <steve30> would there be any halcyon-porn?
11:15:08 <Ampera> I think it's unlawful to furnish, but it's not enforced
11:15:25 <Halcyon> Steve: Only for very special members ;-)
11:16:48 <Ampera> none of it
11:16:54 <Ampera> all of the porn I have would be artificially generated
11:17:02 <Ampera> drawings/CGI
11:17:13 <Ampera> I have photo manips, but that has legal issues
11:18:05 <Halcyon> I'd look at your porn site, if for no other reason but curiosity
11:18:25 <Ampera> oh well then now I won't make it
11:19:26 <Halcyon> Why the hell not
11:27:11 <Ampera> Halcyon, becuase you want to know what I look at
11:27:29 <Halcyon> I can take it or leave it, I don't lose sleep over not knowing
11:28:27 <Ampera> lies
11:28:32 <Ampera> you're damn curious
11:28:47 <Halcyon> No, I'm really not
11:29:04 <Halcyon> Something to know about me... if something is beyond my control, I don't bother myself with it
11:29:26 <Halcyon> I don't see the point about worrying something I cannot change... so I don't. Simples :)
11:29:32 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
11:29:41 <Halcyon> Aw thanks Steve :)
11:56:50 <steve30> hmm, I might not bother with the gym today. I might just go out on the bike instead.
11:57:43 <Ampera> in other news I've decided to stop visiting my therapist
11:57:50 <Ampera> there's nothing he can do for me.
11:58:38 <steve30> what kind of therapist?
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12:00:20 <steve30> I keep pondering seeing a counsellor.
12:00:58 <Ampera> Eh
12:01:00 <Ampera> idk
12:01:28 <Ampera> My mom asked her therapist for people good with trans or "LGBTQALPHABET" issues, and he showed up
12:01:51 <Ampera> I went to him and he was alright, not as bad as lev in that he didn't demand I agree with him and then later send me death threats
12:02:31 <Ampera> But there's nothing I need him for, as HRT doesn't require a therpist's letter where I live, simply informed consent
12:02:37 <Ampera> and occasional monitoring
12:03:14 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
12:12:04 <steve30> I really should get a hair cut this week
12:13:46 <Ampera> hi T3sl4, how do
12:14:00 <T3sl4> do good, you?
12:14:06 <Ampera> eh
12:14:07 <Ampera> eh
12:18:11 * T3sl4 puts a hose of pure argon into Ampera's face
12:19:12 <T3sl4> careful with that, you wouldn't want to, y'know, asphyxiate
12:30:19 * Ampera slides T3sl4 a nice tall glass of NaK
12:30:34 * T3sl4 garnishes it with argon
12:30:47 <Ampera> how noble of you
12:30:51 * T3sl4 nods
12:31:20 * Ampera spews neutrons at T3sl4
12:32:24 <T3sl4> you filthy beta
12:41:30 <Ampera> H̸̢̧̡̧̧̢̢̛̠͇̗̫͓̦̹͔̯̣̰̘̘̫̺̜͇̼̬̯͖̱̯͙̰̺̙̪̙̯̥̙̘̤̞̬͈̳̲̦̤̱̘̥̥̰̞̪̭͔̥͔̀̈͛̏̾̍̂͆̒̈̉̔̐͛̎̋̽̔͛̓̄̆͑̔̈͂̿͐̽̌͊̉̑͊̌̎́̉͗͛̅̽́͂̈́̕̕̕̕̚͘̕̚͜ͅm̶̡̡̛̛̛̛̛͔̟͍͉̱̺̹̱͇͎̤̩̱̝̫͙̯̦̯̜͎̳͔̣̤̩̝̰̤͋̑͗́̎̀̇͒̊̄͊͑̒̿͒̂̌̉̋̍́̐̉͋̈́̉̇͐͊̈̇̅͐̓́̿̏̉̏̎̅̍̌̀̋̔̈̓͋͌͌̃͒͊̑̑͘̕͜͜͜͝͝ͅ
12:41:31 <Ampera> ̡̧̢̧̧̤̞̟͔̙͈͚͕̖͈̫̹̫̼̝̣̩͚̟̫͖͖͚̯͈̯͉͉̦̟̯̹̩̞̰̯̞̦̗͚̤̘̠͈͔͓̻̥̺͈̩̱̱͜͜m̵̧̡̨̢̢̢̧̧̧̡̱̫̮̙̯̲̗̞͈̠͔̺͚̱̰̯̳̟̪͙͔̞̖̲̝̬͉̹͇̮̖̞̯͎̳̩̫̘̼͈̯̗̲̥̼͉͉̗͕̘̪̭̭̤͕̗͙̪̱͎͙̘̱̜͖̙̲͙͖̼̳͕̟͇̩̳̝̺̙͚̠͍̬̫̬̻͍͓̻̯̤͊̋͆͗͆̇́̓̀̓̋͒̓̌̏́̃̑͑̌̐̂̓͌͋̿͂͛̅́̋͌̂̓͂̈́̓̍͂̀̉͒̌̀̀̔͆̒̑̉̕̕͜͜͝�
12:41:31 <Ampera> ͍͍̝̘̪̩ͅm̷̧̧̧̧̢̧̛̛̠͈̯͚͍̪̜̤̠͎̯͉̣̤̙͕̺͓͚̙͕͚̖̞̥̝̣͙͕͇͔̦͈͈̖̟̞̘͓̣͇̮͓͇̩͎̠͓̣̲͎̟̽̿͊͋̓̓̂͛̾̂́͌̈́̍̃͌͂̌́͌̄̔͆̾̌̔̓̔̅̈͌̒̔͆̋̈́̈́̃͒́̂̓̓̾͂̆̈̀̂̽͂̒́͐̚̕͘̚̚̚̕̕͜͝͝͝͝͝͝ͅ
12:41:55 <T3sl4> hmmmmm
12:44:54 <Halcyon> Oh gees
12:44:55 <Halcyon> :P
12:45:09 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, this VLAN thing is pissing me off
12:45:10 <Ampera> Did I break your c̴̢̢̩͈̰̮͕̟̦̻͈̩̫͗̒̓̈͋̔̏̽̾͘l̷̯͙̝͎̞͖̊̃̓͘͝i̸̡̧̛̜̬̞͓̹͈̹͎̦͎͓̦͛͒̂̏̈́̅͂̀̈́̔̕̚͝e̸͔̿̓͌͗͒͒ṉ̶͕͉̮͍̪̯͉̥̿̈́̔t̸̰͌͌̓͛?
12:46:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, did I?
12:46:16 <Halcyon> Hm?
12:46:49 <Ampera> Did it break your client?
12:47:00 <Halcyon> No, all I see are random characters. Why?
12:47:31 <Ampera> It's supposed to be specially formatted text that breaks text rendering by overrunning lines
12:47:46 <Ampera> I'm using HexChat BSD, which doesn't have great Unicode support
12:47:49 <Halcyon> *shrug* just looks like garbage to me
12:53:56 <Halcyon> I can't work out why I can't access this server across networks
12:54:09 <Halcyon> Firewall rules are in place, switch ports are set correctly from what I can tell
12:54:21 <Halcyon> It's pissing me off
13:35:14 <desu> which bsd?
13:38:29 <T3sl4> Bonus Space Dicks
13:50:38 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/8PVzNuH.jpg
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14:51:39 <Ampera> desu, FreeBSD 12
14:52:12 <Ampera> I use it to run my server, which runs HexChat/Xpra which I attach to on my Linux tablet
14:52:40 <Ampera> I used to just use WeeChat on a Screen session I could attach to, but this is nicer since I get the graphical experience
15:01:19 * steve30 returns from outside
15:01:40 * Ampera gives steve30 a chewy chocolate chip cookie
15:01:53 <steve30> mmmm
15:03:27 <Halcyon> BRB, clearing my firewall states
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15:06:09 <Halcyon_> I'm trying to nail down a weird as fuck networking issue. I hope this reboot fixes it
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15:07:56 <Ampera> Halcyon, did it fix it?
15:08:06 <Halcyon> I'm waiting for the server to come back up
15:08:15 * Ampera comes on Halcyon's upper back
15:09:35 <steve30> I think i'll make a chicken sandwich
15:10:10 <Halcyon> Nope, still not working
15:10:17 <Halcyon> I can't access a machine across a VLAN
15:10:25 <Halcyon> Every other farken host works except for this one
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15:10:32 <Halcyon> Firewall is allowing it
15:10:58 <Halcyon> The only thing I haven't done is put an allow-all rule in... which I might do
15:11:33 <Ampera> and that's why I don't use VLANs
15:11:53 <Halcyon> I'm not convinced it's an issue with the VLAN
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15:14:27 <desu> oh weird
15:14:40 <desu> i use openbsd and have never had any problems with unicode aslong as i have the right fonts installed
15:15:17 <Ampera> desu, I am using Unifont
15:15:34 <Ampera> Locales are all set, it just doesn't want to Unicode like my Linux version of HexChat using the same font.
15:15:42 <Ampera> Font size rendering is also weird too
15:19:00 <Halcyon> I'm going to reboot this switch as wel...
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15:31:27 <steve30> i should make a coffee
15:32:48 <Halcyon> I can't figure this shit out, I know it's something basic, but I just don't know
15:34:29 <Halcyon> I suspect it's FreeBSD itself
15:35:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, sure, blame the tool not the craftsman
15:36:03 <Halcyon> I have literally checked the config about 15-20 times
15:36:33 <Ampera> rip in various forms of salami that could, in the US, be considered pepperoni
15:36:46 <Halcyon> The only clue I have is in FreeBSD, I get "Network configuration: Failed"
15:36:53 <Halcyon> But then ifconfig returns all the right stuff
15:37:04 <Halcyon> I can ping it's own IP address from itself, but nothing else
15:37:07 <Ampera> I thought you were using pfSense
15:37:14 <Halcyon> I am for the router/firewall
15:37:16 <Halcyon> This is for my NAS
15:37:23 <Ampera> to do what
15:37:24 <Halcyon> It was working last night, got up this morning, it's not
15:37:33 <Halcyon> To get the farken thing on the network
15:37:43 <Ampera> FreeNAS?
15:37:47 <Halcyon> Yes
15:37:49 <Ampera> god help you
15:38:01 <Halcyon> What's my alternative?
15:38:24 <Halcyon> Networking should be such a simple thing, it's worked fine before, why all of a sudden after 10 years, does it stop?
15:38:59 <Ampera> Your alternative is FreeBSD
15:39:09 <Ampera> and leave those shitty panels for the actually complicated stuff like routing/networking
15:39:11 <Halcyon> That's what I'm running under the hood
15:39:17 <Halcyon> I'm, not using the panels at all
15:39:22 <Halcyon> I can't even access them
15:39:26 <Ampera> then why do you even have FreeNAS
15:39:39 <Halcyon> Because it works
15:39:40 <Ampera> what's the point if it's not a panel based system
15:39:47 <Ampera> >Because it works
15:39:49 <Ampera> obviously not
15:39:50 <Halcyon> It is a panel based system, I'm not using the GUI
15:39:57 <Halcyon> I can't use the GUI because I have no networking
15:40:02 <Halcyon> Everything is from the shell
15:40:07 <Ampera> so then why are you using FreeNAS instead of actual FreeBSD
15:40:18 <Halcyon> It's been fine for 10 years
15:40:21 <Halcyon> Why should I stop now?
15:40:36 <Halcyon> Why should I change my entire work flow and server "just because"
15:40:36 <Ampera> It's been fine for 10 years
15:40:38 <Ampera> why is it not working now
15:41:00 <Ampera> Why should I buy a new microwave, this one has worked for 10 years.
15:41:04 <Ampera> It doesn't work /now/
15:41:04 <Halcyon> That's like saying "Oh you had a car accident, why do you drive? Driving might lead to accidents"
15:41:07 <Halcyon> That's just stupid
15:41:08 <Ampera> but it's always worked
15:41:24 <Ampera> That's not an apt comparison, I'm not telling you to stop using a NAS
15:41:28 <desu> lol is it normal for ngspice to take 15+mins to simluate a simple oscillator circuit?
15:41:28 <Halcyon> Yes, so why would I swap from one OS... the the exact same OS... ?
15:41:54 <Halcyon> If the issues I'm suspecting are with FreeBSD... how would swapping to FreeBSD help?
15:42:01 <Ampera> because FreeNAS doesn't offer anything useful, and taking out extra factors and variables in the equation could help simplify and fix issues.
15:42:13 <Ampera> What version of FreeBSD is your copy of FreeNAS using
15:42:21 <Halcyon> FreeNAS itself is running perfectly
15:42:30 <Halcyon> It's the networking side of things that is having problems
15:42:38 <Ampera> Well why did you even ask for an alternative if you didn't want one
15:42:44 <Ampera> "What's my alternative"
15:42:52 <Halcyon> I didn't ask... I was never intending on changing
15:42:56 <Halcyon> I just want this problem solved
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15:43:13 <Halcyon> Why must it be so fucking difficult for a network interface to connect to a network?
15:43:16 <Ampera> didn't mean to leave
15:43:23 <Ampera> idk what the problem is
15:43:28 <Halcyon> Neither do I
15:43:28 <Ampera> is it just not connecting at all
15:43:42 <Halcyon> I can ping itself (10.78.10.10)
15:43:46 <Ampera> your VLANs shouldn't be imposing anything unique upon computers, just a regular DHCP network, right?
15:43:47 <Halcyon> Nothing else beyond that works
15:44:02 <Halcyon> I'm not even using DHCP for this, it's a static IP
15:44:08 <Halcyon> DHCP doesn't work either, it just gets nothing
15:44:42 <Ampera> It sounds like the install is misconfigured or broken
15:44:48 <Ampera> so my suggestion is to reinstall
15:44:53 <Halcyon> By itself while I was sleeping?
15:45:03 <Ampera> it worked then, it's not working now
15:45:10 <Ampera> and presuming you've ruled out hardware failures
15:45:11 <Halcyon> Yes, and absolutely nothing has changed
15:45:16 <Halcyon> I've used another NIC yes
15:45:17 <Ampera> Have you tried a different NIC on both ends
15:45:20 <Ampera> a different cable
15:45:29 <Ampera> eliminated the potential for switches failing or ports failing
15:45:34 <Halcyon> A cable fault would be detected by the switch
15:45:38 <Halcyon> Yep
15:45:47 <Ampera> Maybe the fault detector has a fault :P
15:45:57 <Halcyon> It doesn't
15:46:13 <Halcyon> It either has a link or it doesn't. There is no in between
15:46:23 <Ampera> So is there a link?
15:46:42 <Halcyon> Physically yes. The NIC even negotiates LACP link aggregation with the switch
15:46:53 <Ampera> so you get blinky lights :P
15:47:00 <Halcyon> In a nutshell, yes
15:47:09 <Ampera> Have you tried a live environment to see if /it/ can connect
15:47:15 <Halcyon> I even see broadcast traffic hitting the firewall
15:47:17 <Ampera> something like Arch Linux on a stick would work fine
15:47:26 <Ampera> since it has a minimal and straight boot environment
15:47:42 <Halcyon> I'll have to go find my laptop
15:48:13 <Halcyon> Ill do it after lunch
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16:00:35 <Halcyon> So I can ping the host from within its own VLAN
16:00:42 <Halcyon> Access the GUI etc...
16:00:57 <Halcyon> So not sure what that error was but it appears the network is working anyway
16:32:20 <Halcyon> I'm getting further with this...
16:33:36 <Halcyon> BRB...
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16:59:22 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: QUESTION: Why do most multimeters have a defacto standard 10A current range instead of 20A? Perhaps one of the old guard at @FlukeCorp can shed some light on this? https://t.co/44YyASsxMu
16:59:48 <steve30> bed time soon.
16:59:54 <steve30> i'm tired
17:00:04 <Halcyon> Aww
17:00:12 * Halcyon rubs Steve's head
17:00:29 <steve30> :)
17:08:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: QUESTION: Why do most multimeters have a defacto standard 10A current range instead of 20A? Perhaps one of the old guard at @FlukeCorp can shed some light on this? https://t.co/PlYzFUakTK
17:36:29 <Halcyon> Well at least I have access to my NAS now
17:36:41 <Halcyon> Albeit only through 1 Ethernet port
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18:33:07 <Halcyon> It seems that the FreeBSD implementation of LACP is broken
18:33:29 <Halcyon> At least in this version... or... for some reason both of my switches don't like it.
18:33:44 <Halcyon> But one is a much newer switch so I'm blaming the OS at this point
18:52:30 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
18:53:17 <hsn93> https://pastebin.com/cJ3uTHda >>> what does (void)channel; mean here?
18:53:58 <hsn93> does it call function located in flash somewhere between 0-255?
18:55:56 <hsn93> It's here to tell the compiler that those variables (in that case parameters) are unused, to prevent the -Wunused warnings.
18:56:03 <hsn93> ah..
18:58:26 <T3sl4> yeah, that
19:26:55 <Halcyon> I don't get it, how can a Linux machine connect to an SMB share on port 445 through a firewall but Windows can't!?
19:28:43 <Halcyon> Failing with the most useless error ever "The connection name is already in use"
19:28:49 <Halcyon> OK, so connect to the fucking thing!
19:29:53 <Halcyon> Oh an magically it works after a reboot
19:29:55 <Halcyon> Fucking Windows!
19:32:32 <Halcyon> Then breaks again. What the hell!?
19:33:32 <desu> just reboot again
19:34:49 <Halcyon> Basically, just after a reboot, I can access network shares. Then after a while, they fail because the firewall is set to block NETBIOS
19:49:22 <K> hello
20:19:57 <Halcyon> Hey K
21:55:35 <rust_collector> oooh, I slapped together a pc, just to do a little project, and I actually found a mouse, with the ball. and it even works just fine
21:55:52 <rust_collector> I didn't think I had a ball mouse
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21:58:35 <K> now to find a keyboard without Win key
21:59:46 <rust_collector> Well, I have been looking for a keyboard with the us layout. "no" is not great
22:00:07 Quit: hsn93 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
22:00:54 <rust_collector> but I only use cheap keyboards, and buying one from the us, means I pay waaay too much for shipping
22:11:04 <desu> ebay
22:11:24 <desu> almost all the chinese sellers have free shipping
22:11:58 <rust_collector> yeah, I have thought about that, but I just want a cheap keyboard, not a crap one
22:12:26 <rust_collector> well, most would say they are crap
22:12:29 <rust_collector> but
22:12:48 <desu> heh what's wrong with the no layout though
22:19:07 <rust_collector> nah, it is just all the useful things are in the weirdest places
22:19:42 <rust_collector> and such, which is useful for me on linux
22:21:30 <coppice_> no layout? is that like the keyboard shaped waffle iron you can get from Amazon?
22:22:11 <K> "any key" keyboard
22:22:18 <desu> oh i kinda iagree
22:22:22 <desu> i use a similar layout
22:36:26 <rust_collector> hmm, I mean "/"
22:36:33 <rust_collector> it disappeared
22:36:55 <rust_collector> and <> and " & and so on
22:37:27 <rust_collector> and I have æøå, which I pretty much only use, when I want to show people what they look like
22:38:22 <rust_collector> altgr 2 to get @
22:38:31 <rust_collector> just a little bit annoying
22:41:50 <rust_collector> but.... waffles sound good
23:13:03 <desu> why does ngspice not seem to recognize a oscillator circuit as ac?
23:13:22 <desu> oscillator circuit output
23:14:46 <T3sl4> what do you mean "recognize"
23:14:58 <desu> well see it
23:15:02 <desu> it just shows 0v
23:15:10 <desu> but in transient i can see there is voltage and oscillation
23:16:08 <T3sl4> what shows
23:16:19 <desu> the ac voltage
23:16:21 <desu> graph
23:16:28 <desu> is just 0
23:16:32 <desu> across all frequencies
23:16:37 <T3sl4> is that an analysis output?
23:16:41 <desu> yes
23:16:46 <T3sl4> which one?
23:16:59 <desu> hold on i'll screenshot
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23:18:31 <desu> nvm im pretty sure i know why it dosn't work
23:18:56 <desu> so if i understand this right the ac simulation dervies from dc and not transient?
23:19:04 <desu> derives
23:19:26 <desu> because it would not work without the dc simulation
23:19:30 <desu> at all
23:19:41 <T3sl4> AC Steady State Analysis requires AC sources, and starts with a DC Analysis to find operating point
23:19:42 <desu> now it works it just dosn't show any results
23:20:10 <desu> ah
23:20:18 <T3sl4> an oscillator doesn't generate voltage all by itself, but you can break the feedback loop and evaluate the gain
23:20:18 <desu> yeah the dc simulation is incorrect
23:22:03 <desu> but how would i calculate the frequency from the transient output
23:22:12 <desu> using qucs-s btw
23:23:21 <T3sl4> well, you could set the transient start time to somewhere past when the amplitude has stabilized, then run a fourier analysis on the tran output
23:28:01 <desu> i will have a look at that
23:28:02 <desu> ty
23:29:35 <T3sl4> personally, i just put some cursors on the waveform and measure it by inspection
23:30:50 <desu> yeah i thought about doing that too but it does not seem right
23:39:34 <T3sl4> how so?
23:41:01 <desu> just seems finnicky
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