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00:39:49 <DHess_US> desu, blaim israel for what? Existing?
01:03:30 <desu> yes
01:30:32 <DHess_US> https://fissioreaktori.wordpress.com/hbos-mini-series-chernobyl/
01:42:26 <T3sl4> i thought western nations were responsible for that
01:44:01 <desu> that series seemed fun
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03:02:50 <coppice_> I loved the non-ironical complaint that the Chernobyl series is not ethically diverse
03:03:38 <T3sl4> hah
04:27:45 <coppice_> er, ethnically
04:47:48 <desu> https://media.comicbook.com/2019/05/stephen-king-chernobyl-donald-trump-1173281.jpeg
04:48:12 <desu> the director of the show replied to this tweet saying that it was a good obvervation
04:48:16 <desu> or something like that
04:52:34 <coppice_> Lions led by donkeys is a common issue
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08:35:04 <DHess_US> I linked it because that is the most detailed description I have read so far about the reactor details.
08:35:21 <DHess_US> You want more Trump? Because this is how you get more Trump. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7136333/Oil-tankers-targeted-explosions-Gulf-Oman.html
08:35:40 <T3sl4> DHess_US: the chernobyl link was nice, i read it all
08:36:02 <DHess_US> I've read some other detailed descriptions but that one so far has been the best.
08:36:39 <DHess_US> The show needed to compress the timeline so I don't really fault it for moving some events arund.
08:36:49 <DHess_US> I do think it made too much of the three guys who drained the water.
08:37:05 <T3sl4> there's always some distortion of fact, time, knowledge and such in such things
08:37:06 <DHess_US> They actually came out of it pretty well.
08:37:21 <DHess_US> It isn't that. All of the information was available by the time the show was produced.
08:37:35 <T3sl4> not that the average viewer is going to appreciate that unfortunately
08:38:00 <DHess_US> It's like the helicopter thing. The article is right that it crashed much later and not when they were dumping stuff into the reactor but I understand moving it forward.
08:38:05 <T3sl4> yes, all the information has been available for decades, but how lazy are the writers?
08:38:23 <DHess_US> LOTR did the same thing and even made some bigger mistakes.
08:38:36 <DHess_US> Like completely leaving out a major theme.
08:38:58 <T3sl4> it's a nice trick of writing (but again not necessarily well appreciated by those not in the know), moving things around and reusing cut content elsewhere
08:39:03 <T3sl4> *cough* bombadill
08:39:15 <DHess_US> Unlike say Chernobyl because at least Chernobyl didn't make that mistake.
08:39:51 <DHess_US> Bombadill needed to die. There were lots of other things which could be cut for time as not contributing to the story.
08:40:25 <DHess_US> Replacing that other elf lord with Arwen was a great idea.
08:40:37 <DHess_US> Gandolin? Something.
08:41:07 <DHess_US> But cutting the Scouring of the Shire removes a whole poitn Tolkien was trying to get across.
08:41:22 <T3sl4> yep
08:41:22 <DHess_US> Glorfindel, that was the elf they removed.
08:41:39 <DHess_US> Nobody returns from war unchanged, and I assume Tolkien did not either.
08:41:58 <DHess_US> The hobbits which returned, especially Merry and Pippin, where not the hobbits that left the Shire.
08:42:21 <DHess_US> Like the WW1 and WW2 vets who returned, they didn't take shit from anybody.
08:42:37 <T3sl4> it's a lot more convenient to movies to show drinking and celebration for an ending
08:43:13 <DHess_US> And why not? But that wouldn't have prevented including the Scouring of the Shire instead of some other contrived scenes which were not neccessary.
08:43:41 <DHess_US> They wasted time on unneccessary things which weren't in the books and then removed something important because they didn't understand it.
08:44:24 <DHess_US> Why even have Merry and Pippin? They weren't neccessary to the movie. But they were in the book.
08:45:20 <DHess_US> In the movies they were just comic relief.
08:45:35 <T3sl4> and it's not like christopher lee couldn't provide an account for what wartime scenes might be like
08:45:50 <T3sl4> an input they did take some advantage from, at least
08:48:04 <DHess_US> True enough. He did that sort of thing.
08:48:07 <DHess_US> For real.
08:48:26 <DHess_US> Tolkien said he hated alagory but I'm not so sure.
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11:12:04 <spacetechnician> DogWomble: Are you there?
11:41:09 <Halcyon> ThunderSqueeeeeeak
11:41:09 <Halcyon> :P
11:42:20 <spacetechnician> Is any Australian resident interested in microwave and/or mm wave SETI?
11:42:33 <Halcyon> Mmmm maybe
11:43:01 <Halcyon> What have you got?
11:43:15 <spacetechnician> Halcyon: DogWomble had a candidate, but I haven't heard from him.
11:43:29 <spacetechnician> Halcyon: private msg?
11:43:34 <Halcyon> Sure
12:06:27 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
12:06:38 <Ampera> you still there you magnificent womble?
12:06:57 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
12:07:05 <Ampera> how do
12:07:09 <Halcyon> Not too bad, yourself?
12:07:39 <Ampera> I burned things
12:07:49 <Halcyon> What did you burn?
12:07:53 <Ampera> fuel
12:07:57 <Halcyon> Hooray
12:08:14 <Ampera> people I am visiting with have a fire pit, and since they are illegal to use where I live, I'm having fun using theirs here
12:08:27 <Halcyon> Why are they illegal?
12:08:47 <Ampera> Because dense old city with a lot of very old dry wooden houses plus firepits don't make for a great combination.
12:09:02 <Halcyon> Fire pits are outside though?
12:09:07 <Ampera> All fire has to be contained in a cooking vessel like a grill or smoker, or be indoors, in a contained fireplace.
12:09:24 <Ampera> Our yards are the size of postage stamps
12:09:26 <Halcyon> That's a bit shit
12:09:38 <Ampera> City ordinance, not allowed to have them.
12:09:49 <Ampera> You think that's bad? Fireworks are illegal too.
12:09:59 <Halcyon> Yeh that's common in a lot of places
12:10:01 <Ampera> and I'm not talking roman candles or big air stuff that can bring down an army
12:10:10 <Ampera> I mean *sparklers* are illegal.
12:10:11 <Halcyon> It is here too unless you have a licence to sell/buy them
12:10:18 <Halcyon> Oh that's stupid
12:10:24 <Halcyon> Sparklers are used on cakes here :)
12:10:27 <Ampera> Peice of wire with some iron dust is illegal here
12:10:56 <Halcyon> And you say we have stupid laws
12:10:56 <Ampera> I was at a birthday party for a friend who had turned 18, and she had small sparklers on her cake, so maybe they got some in from another state
12:11:04 <Ampera> Yeah but we can, you know, have opinions.
12:11:06 <Ampera> and internet
12:11:08 <Ampera> and guns
12:11:14 <Ampera> and knives in public
12:11:32 <Halcyon> We have all of those things
12:11:35 <Ampera> and games that don't get banned from being published because they are too violent
12:11:44 <Halcyon> Oh yeh that's sutpid
12:11:46 <Halcyon> stupid
12:11:56 <spacetechnician> Is anyone here familiar with EE surplus in Australia?
12:11:56 <Halcyon> But people download them anyway
12:12:02 <Halcyon> So meh, they get around those
12:12:09 <Ampera> Well people launch fireworks and use sparklers anyways.
12:12:17 <Halcyon> Yeh exactly
12:12:31 <Ampera> As for sparklers, you basically just can't sell them, while it's illegal, it would be the biggest waste of time to not only find, but arrest someone using sparklers
12:12:38 <Ampera> unless they're really starting fires with them
12:12:41 <Halcyon> Every new year, people let off fireworks everywhere
12:12:42 <spacetechnician> Ampera: censorsing the Internet...amusing...such an anachronism...
12:12:50 <spacetechnician> * censoring
12:13:01 <Ampera> Here it's 4th of July
12:13:09 <Ampera> new years is winter, so we don't really do fireworks
12:13:29 <Ampera> It was one week or so around the 4th of July that I believe the state legalized fireworks, even air rockets
12:13:34 <Ampera> and my god was it hell
12:13:40 <Halcyon> Poor dogs
12:13:42 <Ampera> it was bang after bang after bang, it sounded like a bombing campaign
12:13:47 <Ampera> dogs? lol
12:13:49 <Ampera> poor firemen
12:13:52 <Halcyon> Yeh dogs don't like fireworks
12:14:09 <Ampera> I live right next to a fire department, and I heard those sierens go off almost as much as I did the fireworks
12:14:24 <Halcyon> That's weird
12:14:30 <Ampera> Every 4th you can go outside and see people letting off rockets. Since it's the 4th the police ususally let it go
12:14:33 <Halcyon> By the time they get there, the fireworks would be gone
12:14:37 <Halcyon> What are they going to do?
12:14:44 <Ampera> put out the house fire
12:14:54 <Ampera> and the idiot who was too stupid to use the explosives he bought
12:15:00 <Halcyon> I'm guessing this is why they are illegal
12:15:04 <Ampera> yes
12:15:08 <Halcyon> To protect others from stupid people
12:15:19 <Ampera> that and to protect stupid people from themselves
12:15:24 <Halcyon> Yup
12:15:46 <Ampera> tis a shame the world is so dumb and slow, such that we can no longer have nice things anymore.
12:15:50 <Halcyon> When I was growing up, it was legal to buy fireworks in the ACT
12:15:52 <Halcyon> But they stopped that
12:15:59 <Ampera> ACT?
12:16:10 <Halcyon> Australian Capital Territory
12:16:13 <Ampera> ah
12:16:16 <Ampera> cambria
12:16:19 <Halcyon> Yup
12:16:56 <spacetechnician> Cumbria?
12:17:12 <Ampera> cymru
12:17:15 <Halcyon> Ampera is a little retarded
12:17:20 <Halcyon> He means Canberra
12:17:42 <Ampera> that would be illegal to say, if it weren't true over there
12:17:45 <Ampera> sadly it is true
12:17:49 <Ampera> so you don't have to arrest yourself
12:17:50 <Halcyon> That'
12:17:55 <Halcyon> How do you figure that?
12:17:56 <spacetechnician> Ampera: Celtophile here
12:17:58 <Halcyon> It's not illegal at all
12:18:07 <Ampera> spacetechnician, oh neat you fuck sheep too?
12:18:31 <spacetechnician> Ampera: No, though I do wear Celtic jewelry.
12:18:40 <Ampera> lol
12:18:52 <Halcyon> Fun fact, "Fuck" is no longer offensive here, says a court
12:18:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're a cop, yous hould know what is legal or not
12:19:01 <Halcyon> So you could call someone a fuckwit in public and it's fine
12:19:07 <Ampera> afaik the US doesn't have legal definitions for what is and is not offensive
12:19:12 <Ampera> since there would basically be no bearing in court
12:19:27 <Halcyon> It wasn't defined, it's case law
12:19:39 <spacetechnician> Ampera: What, you're a Celtophobe?
12:19:41 <Ampera> we don't have case law for what is and is not offensive either
12:20:01 <Halcyon> That I'm surprised about
12:20:05 <Halcyon> You guys love law suits
12:20:07 <Ampera> spacetechnician, linguistically I have a minor interest in the insular celtic languages, but I'm not that close to the culture.
12:20:23 <Ampera> Halcyon, we also love being able to not have the state tell us what we can and cannot say.
12:20:35 <Halcyon> Says you who can't have a fire outdoors :P
12:20:52 <Ampera> Setting something on fire isn't speech
12:20:56 <Ampera> it's setting something on fire
12:20:59 <Halcyon> Yup
12:21:02 <Halcyon> And I'm allowed to do it :P
12:21:30 <Ampera> what is interesting is that I, without permissions, when I turn 18, can buy and keep a firearm
12:21:33 <spacetechnician> Ampera: I'm learning Gaeilge---my favorite Celtic ethnicity is Irish :). I know, the most abundant, but that's where my prime interest lies.
12:21:33 <Halcyon> I have a massive tree stump in my back yard I've been burning bit by bit
12:21:50 <Halcyon> I think permission is absolutely crucial to purchase of firearms
12:21:55 <Halcyon> You don't want any nut job to go out and get one
12:22:07 <Ampera> spacetechnician, I have a general interest in all the languages, but mostly how they manifest themselves today. I'd say for me the most interesting IC language is Breton.
12:22:11 <Halcyon> This is where your laws fail you
12:22:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, you do need to pass a federal background check.
12:22:32 <Halcyon> So you do need permission?
12:22:46 <Ampera> No, because permission would imply getting a permit from a federal body.
12:22:54 <Halcyon> What if the background check says no?
12:22:58 <spacetechnician> Ampera: Besides culture and language, I'm interested in the gene pool :). Aye, I refuse to physically reproduce (100% ethnically-Irish sperm donor instead).
12:23:07 <Ampera> it's more the inverse of giving permission
12:23:21 <Ampera> you have to /do/ something to get your right to own a firearm taken away
12:23:27 <Ampera> and it's almost always criminal
12:23:30 <spacetechnician> Ampera: (I'm < 50% European)
12:24:09 <Ampera> spacetechnician, I'm around 50-55% German, and around 25% French.
12:24:17 <Ampera> with the rest being who knows
12:24:52 <Halcyon> Oh look at that, another shitty apartment building falling apart in Sydney
12:24:54 <spacetechnician> Ampera: 50% of me is from the Golden Horde (Turkic/Mongolian)
12:24:58 <Ampera> Unlike getting permission, you don't need to supply a valid reason or prove competency in owning a firearm (in most places). Some states will be stricter than others, and some states /will/ require permission.
12:25:16 <Halcyon> Yes, and that's stupid
12:25:18 <Ampera> My state of New York bans pistols without a permit, but allows long rifles (and I believe shotguns) without one.
12:25:24 <Ampera> transporting a firearm is another story
12:25:28 <Halcyon> "Here, have a gun. Who cares if you can use it or not or be responsible"
12:25:29 <spacetechnician> Ampera: Oh you're in NY state?
12:25:35 <Ampera> mhm
12:25:47 <Ampera> Yankee doodle dandy land.
12:25:56 <Halcyon> But don't play with fire, that shit can burn you! But here, have a gun, in fact, have two.
12:26:17 <spacetechnician> Ampera: I'm from NH; I used to live close to upstate NY (in northwestern VT).
12:26:22 <Ampera> you can't burn down a house with a gun
12:26:29 <Halcyon> No but you can kill someone
12:26:33 <Halcyon> I'd say that's far worse
12:26:38 <Ampera> you can kill someone with a fire too
12:26:43 <spacetechnician> Ampera: shoot like 50 times at a propane cylinder?
12:26:54 <Ampera> but the difference is that a gun can be taken away or the person shot
12:27:02 <Ampera> a fire can go nuts in a place where I live.
12:27:15 <Ampera> It's also a city ordinance, so I'd just have to, go to another city, and then I could do it
12:27:20 <Ampera> presuming they did not have that same ordinance.
12:27:26 <Halcyon> You can't control a fire any more than you can control a crazy fool with a firearm
12:27:49 <Ampera> spacetechnician, mythbusters tested tracer and incind rounds at propane tanks, you cannot detonate a propane tank with a firearm.
12:28:18 <Ampera> Halcyon, you know I agree with you
12:28:22 <Ampera> we should be able to have a firepit too
12:28:30 <Halcyon> Yes. Fire is fun
12:28:37 <Halcyon> As long as you aren't stupid
12:28:38 <Ampera> so are firearms
12:28:44 <Halcyon> Meh, I don't care about guns
12:28:46 <Halcyon> Nil interest
12:28:49 <Ampera> speaking of firearms, my grandfather found his old BB gun recently.
12:29:04 <Ampera> his mom died recently and found it while clearing out her house
12:29:09 <Halcyon> Ah crap I have a haircut soon, I better go get dressed
12:29:10 <spacetechnician> Ampera: I know, I've watched a Cops episode of a suicidal man attempting it. But with enough rounds, it should be possible...
12:29:41 <Ampera> spacetechnician, the issue is that propane needs high compression or a spark in order to combust, neither of which can be delivered by traditional ammunition no matter how many times you try it.
12:30:02 <Halcyon> If it's anything like LPG, it needs the right mixture of oxygen too
12:30:07 <Ampera> Even with incend or tracer rounds, you just can't get the sustained heat and energy to ignite a fire from a propane tank
12:30:08 <Ampera> ^
12:30:11 <Halcyon> Too lean or too rich and it won't burn
12:30:17 <Ampera> I also held a gun for the first time
12:30:21 <Ampera> real gun
12:30:24 <Ampera> but I think I told you that
12:30:29 <Halcyon> You did
12:30:39 <Ampera> mm
12:30:54 <Halcyon> Anyway got to run, back later
12:31:08 <Ampera> anyways the fire was fun. What i like most about fires is staring into them, thinking about how nice it would be to be in that fire
12:31:22 <Ampera> being burned and sizzled by it, painfuly withering away into death
12:31:37 <Ampera> every time I build a fire now, I think of that
12:31:43 <spacetechnician> Ampera: I see. I've seen Youtube videos of quasi-explosions of propane tanks in roadway incidents.
12:32:04 <Ampera> spacetechnician, if you get enough compression, if there's enough propane, and a whole load of other factors, it might happen
12:32:24 <Ampera> but propane isn't like gasoline, it doesn't have the same amount of potential chemical energy
12:32:51 <Ampera> Burning to death is proably how I wish to die.
12:33:00 <Ampera> I can't think of a better way to go.
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13:17:22 <steve30> hi Halcyon
13:42:29 <DHess_US> Ampera, when we shot propane tanks with guns, we put a lit road flare next to them.
13:43:03 <DHess_US> Honestly, those extra size canes of hair spray were better.
13:50:07 <steve30> i think i'll have another coffee
13:51:26 <DHess_US> Just get an IV. It saves time.
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15:17:47 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
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15:48:15 <Halcyon> I don't understand international roaming on mobile networks
15:48:17 <Halcyon> Data is cheap
15:48:33 <Halcyon> We can communicate like this, over the same links for next to nothing
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20:20:39 <steve30> morning
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20:36:56 <desu> i got a phone call from cuba
20:37:03 <desu> it just played creepy piano music
20:37:07 <desu> wtf is this
20:37:23 <DogWomble> are they warning you of a missile crisis via song?
20:37:33 <desu> dunno
20:37:41 <desu> it's scary eitherway
20:46:03 <Lartza> Why do you even answer
20:46:13 <Lartza> I had a long quiet period but yesterday got a call from UK
20:46:19 <Lartza> I just block the numbers pretty much
20:50:50 <steve30> I haven't had any nuisance calls lately.
20:51:01 <steve30> The only odd one was the other week when someone called wanting the nurse.
21:09:49 <desu> because i have to answer
21:09:55 <Ampera> What I don't get is why phone companies will charge you out the nose for international calling
21:10:10 <steve30> because they can?
21:10:14 <Ampera> even though it goes over the same internet I can pull entire movies over for free
21:10:28 <Ampera> (in relation to what Halcyon said)
21:10:56 <Ampera> idk, to me the concept of free or no added charge international calling would be mindblowing
21:11:11 <Ampera> even though I can literally do a VoIP call and cut out the legacy phone system for absolutely no money
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22:08:54 <desu> cuban assasins are coming to murder me
22:13:02 <DHess_US> DI or free market?
22:13:19 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direcci%C3%B3n_de_Inteligencia
22:14:25 <DHess_US> The DI guys are Russian FIS trained.
22:17:39 <desu> polonium
22:18:20 <DHess_US> Did you piss off Putin? Never piss off Putin.
22:18:30 <desu> no i love putin
22:18:37 <desu> im just freaked out about that cuban call i got
22:18:41 <DHess_US> Then why would he have you killed?
22:18:45 <desu> it just played piano music
22:18:53 <desu> like something that would be played at a funeral
22:19:01 <DHess_US> Well, that settles it. You are as good as dead.
22:19:15 <DHess_US> Maybe you are already dead and this is the afterlife.
22:19:43 <desu> heh
22:20:20 <desu> maybe
22:20:24 <desu> there's no way to tell really
22:21:21 <desu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality
22:22:12 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cookie_Monster_(novella)
22:22:59 <desu> this sounds interesting
22:23:24 <DHess_US> Short but sweet.
22:23:53 <desu> i will read it
22:23:59 <desu> when i am sober
22:24:01 <desu> if i remember
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22:25:29 <desu> women drink wine
22:28:23 <DHess_US> Beer is better for you than wine. It has more vitamins.
22:28:29 <DHess_US> Beer is liquid bread.
22:29:50 <desu> yes
22:29:54 <desu> love beer
22:30:01 <DHess_US> And whisky is liquid beer.
22:30:02 <desu> wine is vile
22:30:14 <desu> tastes like throwup
22:30:19 <desu> how do people drink wine
22:30:27 <DHess_US> Dunno, I don't drink it.
22:30:39 <desu> pretentious faggots
22:30:42 <desu> drink wine
22:30:54 <DHess_US> Well, I don't drink it because it gives me a headache.
22:31:28 <desu> maybe
22:31:39 <desu> i only get a hangover if i drink liqour
22:31:41 <desu> and a lot
22:31:44 <desu> beer is usually fine
22:32:18 <desu> liqour is bad
22:33:17 <DHess_US> I'm not talking about a hangover. If I drink wine or champagne, I get a migrane within an hour.
22:34:38 <desu> that's cause you dont drink enough :p
22:34:42 <desu> i get that too
22:34:46 <desu> if i only have 1 beer
22:39:27 <DHess_US> Do you know how to prevent hangovers? Don't stop drinking.
22:44:47 <desu> i did that
22:45:07 <desu> after about a weak you start having very horrible dreams
22:45:10 <desu> week
22:45:39 <desu> never again
22:48:40 <desu> i hada a lot of dreams about being in car crashes
22:48:53 <desu> but i guess its diffedrent for everyone
22:55:42 <DHess_US> I remember you. I had to keep watching y our brains off of the pavement. It was a horrible time.
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