// #eevblog — 2019-06-07
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02:28:37 Join: AndrevS ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
02:51:24 <soulreap> hi
03:26:23 <Ampera> hullo
03:28:44 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
03:29:02 <Nothing\> sigh, i think i've about had it trying to get libraries to work on arduino's ide, this thing is such a piece of crap
03:29:06 <Nothing\> https://i.imgur.com/XQS9wF1.png
03:29:35 <Nothing\> if the file doesn't exist then what on earth is in that second tab?
03:29:49 <Nothing\> it's like trying to reason with a stroke victim or something lol
03:30:41 <Nothing\> i put the libraries in the default libraries folder, it recognized that it's there and showed it among my other libraries in the IDE, it successfully included the library in the sketch, yet it tries to tell me it doesn't exist, how's that work?
03:33:28 <Nothing\> lol i bought a pack of sparklers at the dollar store yesterday and it says on the package "WARNING: EMITS SHOWERS OF SPARKS" i never woulda thought a sparkler emits sparks
03:34:19 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
03:34:30 <Nothing\> hey buddy, how's it going?
03:34:38 <Ampera> doing interesting linux things
03:34:39 <Ampera> http://i.prntscr.com/SIrzY7s_QouqTUEhzjOJIQ.png
03:34:42 <Ampera> this is on a 12 inch screen
03:35:06 <Nothing\> ooh nice i like that window manager
03:35:08 <Nothing\> what is that?
03:35:11 <Ampera> windowmaker
03:35:16 <Ampera> it's available on the pi
03:35:20 <Nothing\> nice! i haven't heard of that in years
03:35:23 <Nothing\> no shit?
03:35:26 <Ampera> \mhm
03:35:36 <Ampera> I think it's even on raspbian
03:35:41 <Nothing\> that's pretty cool
03:35:55 <Ampera> I use it on my desktop computer
03:36:07 <Nothing\> heh i used to like messing around with stuff like that, like i'd set up a dual boot of redhat and xp on my computer or stuff like that
03:36:15 <Ampera> lemme get you a screenshot of that
03:36:21 <Nothing\> but then when i'd get it all set up and all was said and done it'd be like "hrm okay, now what?"
03:37:47 <rust_collector> I remember when I had xp and debian on my 8 gig netbook, and had space left for a few things...
03:38:08 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/n7864h
03:38:17 <Ampera> well I actually use it to do all my computing
03:38:28 <Ampera> I have two WMs on this tablet, GNOME 3 and wmaker
03:40:24 <Nothing\> i'm not even sure what raspbian uses by default, i knew once
03:40:58 <Nothing\> nice @ screenshot
03:41:07 <Ampera> raspbian uses LXDE
03:41:15 <Nothing\> i didn't realize how sexy windows maker was, i always remembered it looking vaguely like windows 3.1
03:41:21 <Nothing\> ah
03:41:56 <Ampera> This is using the STEP2000 theme. I how it combines older Unix UI language, with 2000's UI styling, and modern Linux minimalism.
03:42:05 <Ampera> It works so amazingly well.
03:42:48 <Nothing\> yeah i'd imagine it's less resource intensive than gnome or kde
03:42:53 <rust_collector> I am so old and lazy, so I just have xfwm, and some added bloat
03:43:12 <Ampera> xfwm
03:43:15 <Nothing\> yeah i've never cared enough to bother changing my window manager
03:43:21 <Nothing\> is that the right term? window manager?
03:43:22 <rust_collector> the xfce wm
03:43:35 <Ampera> and also yes, this uses around 8MB of RAM or so
03:43:45 <Ampera> whereas GNOME and KDE are a lot more
03:43:47 <Nothing\> on that note, what exactly is the difference between X and something like gnome or kde
03:43:56 <Nothing\> oh wow that's impressive
03:43:59 <Ampera> X is the display server, GNOME and KDE are desktop environments
03:44:01 <Nothing\> you using it on an older machine or something?
03:44:10 <Ampera> nope, my modern machines
03:44:12 <Nothing\> ah that's weird, i didn't think it'd require a server like that
03:44:15 <Ampera> Surface Pro 3 right now
03:44:20 <Nothing\> right on
03:44:26 <Ampera> That's just how it's designed, the server runs on your computer
03:44:34 <Ampera> then the client is the programs that connect to it
03:44:40 <Ampera> which does mean you can do it over a network
03:44:54 <Ampera> so you can have the programs run on one machine, but display on another
03:44:57 <Nothing\> my uncle said he's got a whole bunch of old computers from one of the schools he worked at and said i can grab whatever i want out of it, i've gotta go over there some time and take a look at what he's got
03:45:11 <Ampera> it's what I am doing right this moment, just using Xpra which is a bit nicer
03:45:27 <Nothing\> when he says old computers i imagine something like a 386 but from a school setting they're probably like early 00's era compaqs or something
03:45:45 <Ampera> The funny irony of my setup is that all my old computers run Windows and all my new ones run Linux
03:45:57 <Nothing\> that actually sounds like a good setup, the server solution for X
03:46:08 <Nothing\> lol you're doing it backwards
03:46:11 <Ampera> Glad you like it, GNOME has done away with it
03:46:17 <Nothing\> really
03:46:28 <Ampera> GNOME now uses Wayland, which I believe is not server-oriented, but is in every possible way worse than X
03:46:39 <Ampera> You can still use GNOME on X if you want though
03:46:57 <Ampera> Wayland is slower, less versatile, more unstable, and harder to configure than X
03:47:05 <Nothing\> come to think of it i wouldn't mind trying a different WM on here
03:47:14 <Nothing\> it'd be a good learning experience at least
03:47:46 <Ampera> Yeah go for it. The basic idea is that you have the X server, which runs window managers, which will compile the different programs' windows you have into an environemtn
03:48:19 <Ampera> Desktop Environment is a term to describe software packages that include a window manager, as well as everything you need to a basic desktop
03:48:51 <Ampera> WindowMaker is just a window manager, so you need to supply other things like a file manager and such
03:49:12 <Ampera> which can be borrowed from another desktop enviroment like MATE, or you can use your own selection.
03:49:18 <Ampera> I like XFE for a file manager
03:49:19 <Nothing\> ah right on, sounds like it'd be a good way to learn about the inner workings of linux and WMs
03:49:40 <Ampera> That's why I suggest people use Arch, because it doesn't come with X nor a window manager
03:49:53 <Ampera> so you are inclined to learn how to install and configure it
03:50:07 <Ampera> In general the Arch Linux Wiki is incredibly useful in understanding Linux in general.
03:50:20 <rust_collector> eh? did they finally figure out how to use wayland without x?
03:50:36 <Nothing\> interesting, if/when i get one of those old computers set up i should use it to mess around with linux more deeply
03:51:04 <Ampera> rust_collector, in theory you can, but I don't think it's really done like that
03:51:09 <Ampera> it still hogs its configs, drivers, etc.
03:51:43 <rust_collector> I think that was the plan, but the last thing I heard, was that they would require x also. but that has been a few years
03:52:03 <Ampera> I think they should abandon Wayland entirely, and at long last improve X
03:52:03 <Nothing\> hrm i wonder if i could use just the VCO portion of these 4046 PLL chips, or if i'd need to terminate the rest of the IC i'm not using like with an op amp ic
03:52:15 <Nothing\> wayland just reminds me of aliens, the movie
03:52:29 <Ampera> it's awful, and almost nobody uses it
03:52:36 <Nothing\> i've never even heard of it
03:52:49 <Ampera> yet X is just sitting here rotting, while there's a shit ton of things that could be brought to it
03:52:59 <Ampera> like touch gestures, and having a multi-monitor system that doesn't suck ass
03:53:06 <Nothing\> ugh
03:53:11 <Ampera> or real HiDPI support
03:53:14 <Nothing\> touch screens are just awful
03:53:19 <Nothing\> thank you very much steve jobs
03:53:20 <Nothing\> :/
03:53:21 <Ampera> I'm using one right now
03:53:40 <Ampera> touch screens have been a thing since before Atari was a company
03:54:03 <Ampera> I believe they date back to computer experiments in the 60s, and if you count light pens, probably even 50's
03:54:05 <Nothing\> i've gotta say they do have their uses in terms of providing a flexible GUI with minimal hardware, but they're just awful when companies try to force them into everything they make
03:54:25 <Nothing\> yeah actually in die hard, bruce willis uses a computer with a touch screen
03:54:27 <rust_collector> I am always full of grease and crap, so I prefer old hp and dell keyboards, that I can just throw away, or wash when they get too manky
03:54:30 <Nothing\> and that was the mid 80's
03:54:30 <Ampera> I actually quite like having the touch screen in my SUrface Pro 3
03:55:06 <Ampera> It's nice to just be able to touch exactly what you want when you want, and if I do get a nice laptop at some point, touch screen would be a nice feature to have on it
03:55:12 <Nothing\> but i think those touch screens used some sort of IR sensors around the periphery of the screen to detect where the pointing device is
03:55:21 <Nothing\> or something like that, i'm not completely sure how it worked
03:55:50 <Nothing\> i wouldn't want something with a touch screen unless it was necessary
03:55:55 <Ampera> mmm light grid tech
03:56:09 <Nothing\> i could see it adding a great deal to the cost of a laptop too, not just for the hardware cost but for the novelty as well
03:56:13 <Ampera> I like touch screens if I can use them when I want to.
03:56:22 <Nothing\> i'm not a fan
03:56:35 <Ampera> The Surface Pro benefits greatly from it, and I now have a laptop with my tablet
03:56:42 <Ampera> so I can use a touch screen, mouse, or trackpad
03:56:45 <Nothing\> plus i grew up in an era where touching a screen was borderline blasphemy, it goes against everything i was taught as a child
03:57:04 <rust_collector> kid #3 bought a lenovo somethingsomething laptop, which you can fold over backwards, and use as a tablet. It seems to work ok for her
03:57:06 <Ampera> you must really have flipped out about touch CRTs
03:57:08 <Nothing\> lol i remember as a kid my dad told me not to touch the monitor for the computer cuz the electricity from my body would wreck it
03:57:13 <Ampera> not only touch CRTs, pressure sensitive touch CRTs
03:57:46 <Nothing\> my dad was also convinced that the SNES/NES wrecked the TV over time
03:57:55 <Ampera> rust_collector, true convertibles are definitely attractive to me, but I'd want one with dedicated graphics
03:58:10 <Ampera> and to in general be nicer than my surface pro 3, which is actually a great machine, and pretty much perfect for what I need it to do
03:58:20 <Ampera> lol
03:58:25 <Nothing\> that 12in screen you're using though Ampera, is that lcd?
03:58:33 <Ampera> IPS LCD
03:58:36 <Nothing\> right on
03:58:50 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to get a little 7in or so screen for my pi
03:58:57 <Nothing\> then i can use it on the can lol
03:58:59 <Ampera> 2160x1440
03:59:09 <Nothing\> especially if i get one with touch capabilities
03:59:27 <rust_collector> I am thinking about upgrading my desktop, pretty much just because I want usb3, and support for virtual machines. But otoh, this thing is tiny, and does everything else pretty well....
03:59:35 <Ampera> I use this for either a laptop, as I am right now, or as a tablet (then I switch to GNOME 3), to watch videos with while eating or in bed.
03:59:39 <Nothing\> which i probably will for the sake of keeping it portable, it'd kinda defeat the purpose if i got a screen so i can use it on the go but still had to lug a keyboard and mouse around with me
03:59:39 <Ampera> or eating in bed
04:00:00 <Ampera> rust_collector, what are you running that doesn't have virtualization support
04:00:13 <Nothing\> yeah rust_collector i would love to get a proper computer since this pi is acting as my primary, well really my only computer
04:00:50 <rust_collector> it is an old asus "vivopc" media sort of thing, Uses an equally old laptop spec i3
04:00:58 <Nothing\> i've been saving up money for the first time in my life, but i think i'm gonna buy a nintendo switch first, then a proper oscilloscope, then get my driver's licence, then i can maybe think about getting a computer
04:01:15 <Nothing\> i'm actually really happy, i've never been able to save money before but i'm doing a good job of it
04:01:43 <rust_collector> quit spending all you have on sparklers and peanuts
04:01:46 <Nothing\> every month here we get a tax credit back for sales tax, mine's about $60 so i just put that into my savings
04:01:58 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector i know, these peanuts are killing me actually
04:02:15 <Nothing\> they went through 2kg of feed yesterday, how does that even work?
04:02:35 <rust_collector> they don't. they just stash it away for the winter
04:02:38 <Nothing\> the chipmunks'll just sit there hoovering it all up
04:03:07 <Nothing\> sometimes they do, but mostly they've been eating it, the chipmunks are the only ones who have really been stashing it lately and they're real buttholes about it too
04:03:17 <Ampera> rust_collector, in other words my tablet is faster
04:03:18 <Nothing\> that's why i go through so many i think
04:03:26 <rust_collector> quite possible
04:03:57 <Nothing\> i've got so many things i wanna get though, especially for my "lab"
04:04:11 <rust_collector> CPU: Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i3-3110M bits: 64 type: MT MCP
04:04:14 <rust_collector> L2 cache: 3072 KiB
04:04:17 <rust_collector> Speed: 1197 MHz min/max: 1200/2400 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1197 2: 1197 3: 1198
04:04:20 <rust_collector> 4: 1197
04:04:26 <rust_collector> Ok, so it is a 2.4ghz dual core
04:04:32 <Nothing\> i really need a power supply and function generator, but i figure if i get a good scope it should have a function generator in it, shouldn't it?
04:04:45 <Nothing\> rust_collector: still not bad at all for a portable device
04:04:58 <rust_collector> well, being that it is non-portable
04:05:08 Join: amperaspecs ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
04:05:12 <rust_collector> it does all the normal stuff just fine
04:05:12 <amperaspecs> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4300U CPU @ 1.90GHz (1.18GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (5.3 GiB Free) Swap: 7.8 GiB Total (7.8 GiB Free) • Storage: 42.3 GB / 288.5 GB (246.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 1h 22m 10s
04:05:16 Quit: amperaspecs ([email protected]) Connection closed
04:05:30 <Ampera> had to log into my native client to send details
04:05:40 <Nothing\> i've just got a standard pi 3 b+
04:05:53 <Nothing\> i wish they'd included hardware video on these
04:06:03 <Ampera> since A. HexChat FreeBSD can't send system info, and B. I'm using HexChat over Xpra
04:06:09 <Nothing\> that's gotta be the biggest limitation, that and the memory cuz it slows to a crawl at the drop of a hat
04:06:26 <Nothing\> actually it freezes up outright more often than not
04:06:27 <rust_collector> can you use inxi on arch?
04:06:35 <Ampera> inxi?
04:06:39 <Nothing\> especially in chromium, it's such a resource hog
04:06:45 <rust_collector> system info thing
04:06:56 <Ampera> no I can use screenfetch no problem
04:06:56 <rust_collector> I have only seen it on debian.
04:06:57 <Nothing\> doing something like trying to load a high res image can cause the pi to just freeze
04:06:58 <Ampera> and other stuff
04:07:05 <Ampera> if it works on debian it works on arch
04:07:16 <Ampera> there's very limited instances where a program will only work on one distro
04:07:18 <rust_collector> I would not be so sure
04:07:36 <Ampera> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/inxi/
04:07:38 <rust_collector> it will run, but it will probably look in the wrong places for things
04:07:40 <Ampera> pow
04:07:48 <rust_collector> ok, there you go
04:08:00 <rust_collector> iIrc, it was written to send system info on irc
04:08:15 <Ampera> http://i.prntscr.com/WfcoQ3LLTJiyh6ONYaltxQ.png
04:08:34 <Nothing\> actually it's funny, whenever my pi locks up temporarily because of excessive resource usage, it's faster for me to just reboot it than to wait for it to finish being frozen
04:08:41 <rust_collector> inxi -Fxx
04:08:50 <Nothing\> that's one thing i love about the pi, it takes literally like 10 seconds to boot up
04:08:56 <Ampera> I'm not running an IRC client on my tablet though
04:09:09 <rust_collector> Does it have the weather "plugin"?
04:09:16 <Nothing\> i never liked irc on a mobile device
04:09:22 <Ampera> weather plugin?
04:09:30 <Nothing\> you just can't see much of the chat, especially if you're tying
04:09:31 <rust_collector> inxi -w
04:09:52 <Nothing\> oh yeah Ampera i got a script for medicinal marijuana the other day
04:10:14 <Ampera> http://i.prntscr.com/U6UlGKcrRd_LmcaTI_Ulag.png
04:10:18 <Ampera> neat
04:10:25 <Nothing\> it's stupid though cuz it costs about twice as much as anything from the black market, probably cuz they have ridiculous regulations on the packaging cuz they can only distribute it trhough the mail, no brick and mortar shops
04:10:31 <Ampera> rust_collector, it does
04:11:04 <Ampera> isn't rec weed federally legal in snow mexico now?
04:11:11 <rust_collector> I prefer using windows, but -w will do if I don't feel like getting out of bed
04:11:28 <Nothing\> and i don't get how the site's supposed to work, my doctor sent the script in and i was suppsode to register and then i could buy stuff, but when i registered there was absolutel no way for it to associate that script with my account so i dunno wtf's up with it
04:11:48 <Ampera> rust_collector, http://i.prntscr.com/EbXufeOpTJ6SatiN-eTNXg.png
04:11:49 <Nothing\> Ampera: yup it's legal but shops apparently aren't legal yet, at least not brick and mortar ones
04:11:57 <Nothing\> there are a few places that sell legally online
04:12:10 <Nothing\> i just go to this dive that looks like a run down bar, they're pretty good
04:12:26 <Ampera> so then why do you need a prescription for weed
04:12:30 <Ampera> if you can just get it normally
04:12:35 <Ampera> insurance?
04:12:38 <Nothing\> i figured i could probably get some sort of subsidy or something
04:12:39 <Nothing\> yeah
04:13:01 <Nothing\> but i guess nothing like that exists, although my doctor told me that disability will pay for a vaporizer for me lol
04:13:35 <Ampera> Xpra is awesome anyways, I can do so much I've always dreamed of with it
04:13:54 <Nothing\> it's just weird cuz the place i'm supposed to get my med weed from is shopper's drugmart, which is the biggest pharmacy chain in canada, it'd be like if you were able to buy weed from walgreens or something
04:14:55 <rust_collector> I should dig out my collection of fattened up thin clients, and see if I can get anything running on those
04:14:57 <Nothing\> the other thing i like is they actually have data on the different strains for THC/CBD content, and even list the terpenes that are in them, which is what gives it the taste/smell
04:15:05 <Nothing\> lol fattened up thin clients
04:15:16 <Nothing\> are thin clients even relevant anymore with SoCs?
04:15:29 <Ampera> thick clients?
04:15:36 <Nothing\> heh
04:15:46 <Nothing\> so i guess they'd be WYDE
04:15:49 <Nothing\> instead of WYSE
04:16:03 <rust_collector> I used a hp thin client as a desktop computer out in the garage. Just put a regular hard drive in it, and install your flavor
04:16:16 <Ampera> lemon-lime?
04:16:22 <Nothing\> didn't even know you could put HDs in a thin client
04:16:34 <Nothing\> although i've only ever used a couple of them, and they were always WYSE
04:16:37 <rust_collector> they are computers, running something
04:16:47 <Nothing\> we used em at the company i used to work for, contracted to do tech support for comcast over the phone
04:18:35 <Nothing\> yeah the ones we used had windows CE on them
04:18:35 <Ampera> yoooo I want to make my own lemon-lime soda, but put lemon, lime, and lithium chloride
04:18:35 <Nothing\> the stupid thing is, they expected you to multitask with about 15 different programs and you'd need maybe 10-20 tabs open in your browser at any given time
04:18:35 <Nothing\> Ampera: so, 7-up?
04:18:35 <Nothing\> i thought it was lithium citrate they used
04:18:35 <Nothing\> or maybe i just assumed that cuz it's a citrus drink
04:18:35 <Ampera> no 7up used a different lithium compount
04:18:35 <Nothing\> you know that bromo seltzer used to have bromide salts in it, hence the name
04:18:35 <Nothing\> i think sodium bromide
04:18:35 <Nothing\> which is what they used for sedatives before barbiturates
04:18:42 <Ampera> lithium citrate
04:19:03 <Nothing\> except bromide has a really long half life and is fairly toxic, so you would build up toxic levels of bromide with repeated doses
04:19:11 <Nothing\> aha i knew it was citrate
04:19:45 <Nothing\> i've heard that some places have given serious consideration to putting lithium salts in their water supply
04:19:56 <Nothing\> not a lot mind you, but enough to have an effect
04:20:01 * Ampera reclines
04:20:27 <Nothing\> the logic being that areas with naturally high levels of lithium in the well water have lower suicide rates
04:20:41 <Nothing\> but that could well just be incidental to living in the country
04:21:22 <Nothing\> cunt tree
04:22:34 <Nothing\> ah i'm so happy, i've been tapering real hard from my methadone lately and i've actually noticed my tolerance has gone down, so i think i'm gonna ask my doctor about starting to lower my dose
04:22:50 <Nothing\> it's so great that it actually seems feasible to get off of it for once
04:22:55 <Ampera> in other news Vox, after burning down the internet, has returned to burning themselves down
04:22:56 <Nothing\> tangible progress ftw
04:23:05 <Nothing\> vox... what is?
04:23:08 <Nothing\> sounds familiar
04:23:15 <Ampera> one of the worst media companies on earth
04:23:21 <Nothing\> ah okay
04:23:24 <Ampera> legit worse than fox news
04:23:33 <Nothing\> ew
04:23:34 <Ampera> just on the left
04:23:46 <Nothing\> ah well, i haven't watched tv in years
04:23:58 <Nothing\> and seldom watch programming from cable
04:24:09 <Ampera> vox isn't on TV
04:24:12 <Ampera> they plague the internet instead
04:24:21 <Nothing\> ah even worse, no censorship
04:24:26 <Nothing\> no standards
04:24:32 <Ampera> no that's literally what they are trying to do
04:24:40 <Ampera> they are harassing YouTube into censoring people
04:24:54 <Nothing\> well now that's bullshit
04:25:02 <Nothing\> but i'm sure google's bigger than they are
04:26:45 <Ampera> the thick and skinny of it is that a guy named Stephen Crowder said mean things to some guy who supposedly works for Vox
04:27:36 <Nothing\> so? trump does that every day
04:28:32 <Nothing\> ugh bloody hell, doorbell gave me an anxiety attack
04:29:20 <Nothing\> i hate that
04:29:21 <Ampera> and apparently people are upset he has a shirt that says "socialism is for fags"
04:29:21 <Nothing\> or maybe my blood sugar just plummeted
04:29:21 <Nothing\> well i've gotta say i don't like the word fag
04:29:21 <Ampera> I love it
04:29:21 <Ampera> fag this, fag that
04:29:21 <Nothing\> even though i know it doesn't necessarily refer to gay people
04:29:21 <Ampera> fag you, fag ot.
04:29:21 <Nothing\> lol
04:29:21 <Ampera> lol
04:29:30 <Nothing\> a faggot of wood
04:29:43 <Nothing\> lol or bob faggot
04:30:00 <Nothing\> that was a big one when i was a kid cuz bob saget was seen as a sissy queer
04:30:18 <Nothing\> how wrong we were lol
04:30:47 <Ampera> idc, there should be no words that are off limits for any reason
04:30:53 <Ampera> a word shouldn't be given that much power
04:31:21 <coppice_> you can pork faggots, too
04:31:58 <Ampera> you can also burn faggots too
04:32:07 <Ampera> mmm, borned pork
04:32:14 <Ampera> *burned
04:32:42 <coppice_> isn't vox now part of one of the big media companies?
04:33:14 <Nothing\> hey coppice_ how've you been? haven't seen you in a bit
04:33:52 <Ampera> coppice_, afaik vox is one of the big media companies
04:33:58 <Ampera> wait, didn't disney buy them?
04:34:03 <Ampera> think you might be right, lemme check
04:35:03 <Ampera> nah that was Vice, Vox is private
04:35:14 <Ampera> but they are both shitty media companies that start with the letter V
04:36:26 <coppice_> all media companies are shitty. there's not an honest one amongst them
04:36:42 <Ampera> yes, but among media companies, vice and vox are especially bad
04:36:47 <Ampera> huffpost, buzzfeed
04:37:00 <Ampera> salon and cosmo, which barely count as media companies
04:37:05 <Ampera> they're all in the same category of fucking shit
04:38:21 <rust_collector> I like reading oooold papers, from when journalists reported on things that had happened, not writing stories about what they think might happen because someone did something
04:39:31 <Ampera> I get my media, as stupid as it sounds, off Twitter, which acts largely as an aggregator of different stories
04:39:47 <Ampera> but I try to keep in mind (not always successfully) that almost everything is probably wrong or misleading
04:40:02 <coppice_> reporters have always been dishonest. the difference now is they feel no need to even include threads of true among the BS
04:40:21 <Ampera> It's also easier than it's ever been to just report bullshit
04:40:31 <Ampera> and people are just too stupid to not believe anything they see
04:42:00 <coppice_> its not just an issue with partisan topics. If you've even seen simple things like traffic accidents and then seen a new report about it, its clear they never asked anyone what happened. They just make up the report
04:43:01 <Ampera> Oh man I used to watch TYT, and they would literally read a headline, and then just talk about it
04:43:10 <Ampera> they wouldn't look up what happened, do reporting, do investigations
04:43:33 <Ampera> just, oh, this happened, here's the thin details, no vetting, here's our shitty opinion on it, hope ya like it
04:46:19 <coppice_> that's sort of understandable with a small operation like TYT, but look at CNN or NBC and most of what they say is just commenting on reports from the few sources that still actually do reporting
04:48:15 <coppice_> Google sounds like it must be a bloody awful place to work.
04:49:45 <rust_collector> ok, time to order more car parts for the wifemobile. Does anyone have a good supplier in the us? I tend to buy from rock auto.
04:50:57 <coppice_> do they supply parts for the Flintstone's car?
04:53:42 <rust_collector> they do have opel parts on the list. they usually have no floor left, so I assume that is what fred had
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05:24:01 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/Sk8LIUb
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05:39:56 <Guest|45119> I have an EEVBLOG uCURRENT. even with a new battery, it is not on.
05:40:29 <Guest|45119> What are possible problems?
05:40:42 <Guest|45119> polarities?
05:40:47 <Guest|45119> Open circuit?
05:41:15 <Guest|45119> Could anyone answer the question?
05:42:16 <rust_collector> if you wait for someone who has an answer, I guess someone could?, Or you could make a post on the forum
05:43:47 <Guest|45119> Thanks Rust!
05:44:09 <rust_collector> things can take some time on irc
05:44:25 <Guest|45119> Do you do a quote for new unit?
05:46:45 <rust_collector> I don't have anything to do with it.
05:56:44 <Ampera> Guest|45119, we don't do tech support, if you need that, please make a post on the forum
05:57:03 <Ampera> dave monitors it frequently, and if someone else can't help you, he probably can
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09:35:38 <Guest|48738> hi
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09:39:45 * Halcyon coffee's all over the channel
09:40:12 <steve30> coffee!
09:40:16 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :D
09:42:10 <steve30> I was just looking at pictures of cute boys on google images :p
09:42:15 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
09:52:16 <steve30> I think i should go to bed
09:53:54 <rust_collector> where did that newer steve go?
09:54:29 <steve30> the steve31?
09:54:46 <rust_collector> yes, the newer version steve
09:55:06 <steve30> he's sat on the floor plugged into the battery charger
09:55:18 <rust_collector> oh ok
09:56:53 <rust_collector> like a robot vacuum cleaner/puppy taxi
10:02:40 <steve30> OK, time for bed
10:02:42 <Halcyon> ROFL @ Puppy taxi
10:02:44 * steve30 pets Halcyon
10:02:49 <steve30> :)
10:02:51 <Halcyon> Goodnight Steve :)
10:02:59 <rust_collector> good sleepytime
10:39:58 <steve30> hmm, maybe i'm not sleepy enough
10:40:06 <steve30> I'll have a coffee and snuggle up to Halcyon instead
10:58:17 <DogWomble> /me hands round the lattes
10:58:31 <steve30> mmm, coffee
11:00:37 <T3sl4> mmmm
11:01:31 <steve30> maybe i'll sleep better now i've had coffee
11:43:04 <soulreap> hi
12:06:37 <Ampera> hi Halcyon and DogWomble
12:07:56 <DogWomble> hey Ampera
12:15:05 <soulreap> hi
12:15:24 <soulreap> i got with my helper lady now to officeworks :D
12:33:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I've been informed it's a long weekend. #WhoKnew #SelfEmployed
13:47:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: People ask me why I don't buy a @Tesla The Model 3 *starts* at AUD$70k As a reference, a decent ICE car is under AUD$25k https://t.co/CZNIiIjXqe
13:51:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: @Tesla And if you want Autopilot (no thanks) that's another AU$7100 https://t.co/pYRAEVGJOy
13:55:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: @Tesla For those playing along at home https://t.co/54sbvWJwG2
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19:52:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Used @Tesla "This car is practically brand new and only bought about 2 months ago! It is just too technical for me, and I am going back to my 7 Series BMW" LOL https://t.co/RgQaBuhJTI https://t.co/kOzc1g5s1b
19:58:09 <K> hello
20:05:48 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
20:20:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @CCNMarkets: Newsflash: India’s Insane Anti-Crypto Bill Proposes 10-Yr Prison Sentence for Bitcoin Adopters: Report https://t.co/RPYSjcY…
22:55:36 <steve30> hi
22:58:29 <soulreap> hi
23:21:42 <T3sl4> hi
23:26:08 <steve30> There's a van with a funny name outside.
23:26:15 <steve30> "Wienerberger Engineering"
23:26:48 <T3sl4> wouldn't think it takes much design, to figure out how to do that move
23:27:07 <T3sl4> (wrap your dick around your sack and make a "burger")
23:37:36 <K> huh?
23:42:37 <T3sl4> in other words, make a weiner burger
23:48:42 <K> ah, i see now
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