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03:32 <DHess_US> 9.3 watts maximum, 1.1 watts at minimum brightness which I would say was 5%. Power factor worstened slightly to 70% at minimum bightness.
03:51 <DHess_US> So perhapse not as efficient at low powers but difficult to tell.
03:52 <T3sl4> wonder what the efficiency is down there
04:15 <T3sl4> if it's poor, that would imply my guess at dynamic range is reasonable
04:19 <DHess_US> Dunno. I don't have anything handy to measure true intensity. I dont' think my camera will do it.
04:25 <T3sl4> if less encouraging for efficiency, but eh, it's a watt
04:31 <DHess_US> Exactly
05:03 <DHess_US> Oh, except the variac itself draws a about a watt of VAR.
05:15 <DHess_US> So it was *below* 1 watt, perhapse 0.2 watts.
05:44 <DHess_US> Can't put the kill-o-watt on the output because it stops working at about 60 volts.
06:10 <DHess_US> So I'd say efficiency even at low power is high.
07:14 <DHess_US> I stuck a tiny (2 amp) variac into an outlet box for another purpose.
07:34 <T3sl4> hah, that makes more sense
07:36 <DHess_US> Well, another purpose for now. Later I was goign to use it to dim LED lights.
08:07 <DHess_US> It isn't very pretty but it is tough safe with full grounding on the metal enclosure.
09:17 <DHess_US> type 10b powerstat which is the smallest they make
10:05 <DHess_US> It fits just about right inside of a standard double duplex outlet box with the height module.
10:21 <DHess_US> https://www.google.com/search?q=type+10b+powerstat
12:37 <DHess_US> What an outlet box extender might look like, https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/785991/785991167801lg.jpg
22:20 <T3sl4> yeah
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00:25 <DHess_US> https://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/funny-apple-stand-mac-pro-grater-reactions-20-5cf79ee898ce0__700.jpg
06:12 <T3sl4> yup
15:38 <desu> https://www.tradera.com/item/2939/353427132/oml-3m-oscilloskop-bra-skick-
17:37 <K> that thing does not do 100MHz
17:59 <K> there are very few USSR made scopes that did
18:13 <K> afaik
19:17 <DHess_US> The USSR made some fast oscilloscopes.
19:28 <DHess_US> They even had some analog ones faster than a 1 GHz Tektornix 7104.
19:29 <desu> i found a different source saying it does
19:37 <desu> https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/unknown_oml_3moml3.html
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20:18 <K> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%9C%D0%9B-3%D0%9C
20:27 <K> 10 МГц
20:33 <K> 10MHz
21:12 <K> DHess_US, those that did do that do not get sold by weight now
21:23 <T3sl4> i recall the story went that, they made it like the tek GHz one (no vert amp), but rather than limiting it to a rackmount size chassis as tek equipment had to be, they just made it like two fkn meters long, so the deflection sensitivity was very good
21:26 <K> i'd gather most are scraped for precious metals
27:54 <desu> 9$though
27:57 <desu> that's a good price
32:18 <DHess_US> T3sl4, yes but as far as I know, it was otherwise a standard oscilloscope.
32:52 <DHess_US> It just had a CRT which was like 3 meters long for increased beam deflection.
33:17 <DHess_US> I have the story in my email somewhere if anybody is interested.
33:29 <DHess_US> The Soviet oscilloscope wasn't even the most amazing part of the story.
34:37 <DHess_US> These are fun also. We've seen a few show up on Ebay. http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/Soviet_7000-series_clones
35:43 <DHess_US> 250 MHz! http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/TR-4658
36:51 <T3sl4> wonder if they used more tubes
36:58 <DHess_US> more tubes?
37:26 <DHess_US> The mentioned 3 meter long oscilloscope was a contemporary to the Tektronix 7104 and used for the same application of nuclear weapons testing.
38:01 <DHess_US> The Soviet oscilloscope was significantly faster than the 7104.
38:34 <DHess_US> But the 7104 was designed to meet requirements which included being able to fit into a standard equipment rack.
39:06 <DHess_US> I'll find the email. It is amusing.
41:11 <DHess_US> Ah, it wasn't in comparison to the 7104 directly. I think they were actually scan converter tubes.
42:14 <DHess_US> https://pastebin.com/5LtAsb2g
43:11 <DHess_US> "When their scientests came here, the researchers at EG&G (who the government contracted to instrument the test shots) assumed that they would be wowed by the 5 GHz digitizers that Tek provided. They were not. Instead of asking how we built such fast digitizers, their only question was how do we drill the holes in the rock for the tunnel so smooth?"
46:52 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/VrbALCf.png
46:56 <DHess_US> The digitizers they are talkign about were scan converters. They use an oscilloscope CRT to draw onto a semiconductor diode array. This is probably the one being mentioned, http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/7250
48:31 <DHess_US> I don't remember the details but there was a French company which bought 7104s and other Tektronix instruments and rebuilt them for higher bandwidth.
48:36 <DHess_US> I assume that one.
49:38 <T3sl4> :D
49:39 <T3sl4> yeah
09:36 <desu> why would the americans show their bombs to the russians
11:36 <DHess_US> They showed their bomb tests to the Soviets.
12:04 <DHess_US> As to why, deterance requires that the enemy knows your capabilities.
12:37 <DHess_US> In that sort of situation, you want the enemy to know things that you would otherwise keep secret even from your own people.
12:42 <DHess_US> It's just game theory.
13:21 <DHess_US> Like having diplomats or medical personel be conspicuously disarmed.
14:39 <desu> oh
14:55 <DHess_US> A modern example where this failed was the war with Iraqu. If we had known Sadam's true capabilites, then there would have been no war.
15:17 <DHess_US> Well, the reason for the war would have been different anyway.
15:32 <DHess_US> We would have just made up a different excuse.
17:29 <DHess_US> What do you mean I cannot have black licorice and Coca Cola for breakfast? Show me where it says I can't!
17:43 <desu> bad for you
18:07 <DHess_US> But not illegal.
18:46 <desu> i would make it illegal if i was in charge
18:57 <DHess_US> That's why you aren't in charge.
21:25 <desu> i will be one day
22:13 <DHess_US> Help, help, I'm being repressed! See the violence inherent in the system?
57:20 * T3sl4 distributes a sword to desu
15:27 <DHess_US> A man with a sword can beat a man without. A man with a gun can beat 6 men with sword. Any ship with nuclear weapons can beat any planet without.
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30:04 <desu> i wish i worked on a nuclear submarine
30:40 <rust_collector> keep swords out of your torpedo tubes
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55:18 <T3sl4> we all work on a nuc'lar submarine, a nuc'lar submarine, a nuc'lar submarine
57:26 <desu> or any submarines
57:31 <desu> submarines in general are pretty cool
57:56 <rust_collector> yeah. cold and full of grease
58:56 <DHess_US> If you are not lucky, they cannot use you.
08:15 <T3sl4> DHess_US: https://i.imgur.com/kZtI3C1.jpg
18:31 <DHess_US> hehe
19:23 * Ampera reducates T3sl4 
19:40 * T3sl4 reneducates Ampera
20:04 * Ampera chains T3sl4 to the wall
20:28 <T3sl4> chain chain chain...
20:42 <Ampera> how do, T3sl4?
21:11 <T3sl4> sleepy
21:25 <Ampera> I have an idea, T3sl4
21:36 <Ampera> sleep
22:52 * T3sl4 ponders this
23:10 <T3sl4> idunno, have you tried dying yet? i hear it's pretty somber
31:53 <Ampera> T3sl4, I've tried it, and I really like it
31:56 <Ampera> but I only had free trials
32:03 <Ampera> still hemming and hawing on getting the full version
32:27 <T3sl4> :S
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56:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Remember that silly @kickstarter multimeter, the Vion? After a year late and about to ship they finally admit it practically doesn't work. https://t.co/rOK6gOC6uD
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40:14 <hsn993> hey, guys im not experienced looking for training for topics related to hardware design for automotive, emi,emc, for example precomplience tests for emi/emc, spectrum analyzers, pcb and schematic design do you have somthing to suggest?
41:18 <hsn993> for software i get suggestion for https://www.doulos.com/
42:35 <hsn993> looking into this https://www.doulos.com/content/training/signal_integrity_with_hands-on_simulation.php sounds intresting also
42:56 <T3sl4> Henry Ott comes to mind
44:25 <hsn993> he is retired.. :(
44:42 <T3sl4> author
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57:25 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You wanted to know why multimeters are 10A rated, well, none other than the designer of the @FlukeCorp 8060A has the answers: https://t.co/3xR34lRmt9
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03:00 <Halcyon> Hey all
03:10 * Halcyon pokes Ampera and T3sl4 
03:27 * T3sl4 bounces
05:10 * DogWomble pokes  himself ... wait can i say that here?
14:44 <T3sl4> whatever pokes your boat
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39:14 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/StartledCats/comments/bzlxdo/his_face_when_i_meow_back_at_him/
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44:56 <K> hello
45:41 <DogWomble> hi k :)
46:28 <Halcyon> damian, you around?
05:54 <damian> sup
06:15 <Halcyon> What versions of Windows Server 2016 do you have that you can "lend" me?
06:35 <Halcyon> I'm also after Windows 10 LTSC
06:39 <damian> so you're after licensing, not ISO's!
06:42 <Halcyon> I need to test some monitoring software
06:44 <Halcyon> Well, both
07:15 <damian> 2016 you can use a trial and you probably won't notice any issues for as long as you use it
07:56 <damian> as far as i remember they only block out certain customised features, not the actual use of the software
08:03 <Halcyon> It's for me personally, if it works and does what I need it to, the intention is to use it on an on-going basis (at home).
08:07 <damian> i used 2016 Standard in production for about four months before i activated the sucker
08:14 <Halcyon> I need it to run PRTG
08:45 <damian> and LTSC, interesting. why specifically LTSC?
09:28 <damian> you know i'm just going to bust your chops about it until i get bored and i'll give you licensing if i have it, right? :P
10:00 <Halcyon> I don't need Cortana or all that other garbage, plus Windows 10 updates have been known to break shit
10:11 <Halcyon> That's fine :)
10:26 <Halcyon> Trust me, if this ran on Linux, I'd be using that instead of MS garbage
10:36 <Halcyon> And Windows 2012 R2 is getting a little long in the tooth
11:26 <damian> don't i know it
11:34 <damian> why specifically prtg?
11:57 <Halcyon> It's been something I've been looking at for a while, I like what it claims to do and the features
12:00 <Halcyon> Plus it's free
12:05 <Halcyon> Unless you can recommend something else
12:28 <damian> only free for 100 nodes
12:38 <damian> it depends on what you're actually looking at doing with it
12:50 <Halcyon> It's only for home, so 100 is plenty
13:05 <damian> actually, not 100 nodes, 100 probes
13:17 <Halcyon> You mean sensors :P But I'll allow it
13:21 <damian> yeah that one
13:45 <damian> you think it's enough! but when you start to fly through 30 sensors per machine to check on all hardware components, files and crap it adds up!
13:50 <damian> it's been a few years since i've used it
14:09 <Halcyon> I need it to monitor a few of my servers, (disk space, NIC usage), UPS stats, pull data from the Ubiquiti server and some other basic ping/networking stats
14:15 <damian> plus i am rediculously bad at remembering names for things :|
14:43 <Halcyon> I also want to monitor my ISPs CVC
14:51 <damian> nice, there's ubiquiti sensors now? or does it just pull snmp data
14:55 <Halcyon> Which is just a matter of pulling down their data every 24 hours
15:57 <Halcyon> Yeh PRTG comes with a probe specific to UBNT
16:14 <Halcyon> Not sure if it's just SNMP, I suspect it probably is?
17:20 <Halcyon> It will also do environmental sensors which I'm looking at buying/building
17:31 <damian> RE the Windows Updates thing, breaking things is good .. it lets you know that you can release it!
17:52 <Halcyon> https://blog.paessler.com/monitoring-ubiquiti-unifi-wifi-with-prtg-total-insight-into-unifi-environments
17:54 <damian> but seriously, if you just do two group policies locally on any Windows it'll stop Windows Updates permanently from working
18:09 <Halcyon> I don't want to stop Windows updates, I just want the important ones
18:18 <Halcyon> I also don't want the bloat of regular Windows 10
18:28 <damian> but what if those important ones break your system!
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19:05 <Halcyon> That's the point of LTSC :P
19:10 <Halcyon> It won't
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20:25 <damian> if you're running the instance of Windows 10 in a VM without Office, the likelyhood of anything breaking from Windows Updates is probably less than 0.5%
20:25 <steve30> I finally went swimming
20:36 <Halcyon> You say that Damian :P
20:42 <Halcyon> But Windows 10 is bullshit
20:44 <damian> the issues that usually come up are hardware incompatibilities and office issues
20:46 <Halcyon> YAY! Steve
21:06 * damian runs almost 300 windows 10 computers and has all of them update from mainstream
21:07 <Halcyon> I've seen Windows 10 updates *uninstall* software silently. Just because.
21:37 <damian> more likely you've seen Windows 10 bugger up its snapshot so it thinks the software wasn't installed in the first place
21:38 <damian> i've had that
21:46 <Halcyon> Perhaps
21:52 <Halcyon> It's still shit
22:01 <damian> all files/folders for the application is still there, but appwiz shows removed and no services, it's weird as hell
22:09 <Halcyon> Actually I have Windows 2016 Standard, I'll just use that
22:14 <damian> lol
22:20 <damian> do you have a license for it?
22:38 <damian> legally you're not meant to run Windows 10 in a VM anyway, you're meant to use Windows 2016
22:39 <Halcyon> It says I do. I wonder if you gave it to me or I just had it?
22:46 <Halcyon> I don't care :)
22:51 <damian> i think i gave you one
22:54 <Halcyon> It's my farken computer, I'll run what I want
23:03 <Halcyon> VM or otherwise
23:07 <steve30> The bus I came back on had an LCD monitor on the front window displaying a 4x4 grid of CCTV images from around the bus. How many CCTV cameras does one bus need?
23:25 <Halcyon> 4x4 clearly?
23:39 <K> 16 cameras?
23:43 <damian> 32!
23:46 <Halcyon> 64
23:50 <damian> but unfortunately that one only has 16
23:51 <Halcyon> OK enough now
23:58 <damian> what a povo bus
24:14 <Halcyon> Did it record to VHS as well ? :P
25:03 <Halcyon> Good old time lapse
25:06 <Halcyon> Remember that shit?
25:13 <damian> how old ARE you man
25:17 <Halcyon> 34
25:27 <Halcyon> Wait...
25:29 <damian> goddamn
25:34 <Halcyon> Yeh 34
25:41 <Halcyon> I thought it might be 33 but no
25:52 <Halcyon> What?
26:09 <damian> you old mothafocka
26:17 <steve30> Not sure what the purpose of the screen was either. The individual images were too small to see, and the daylight made the screen hard to see.
26:42 <Halcyon> If it were at the front of the bus, perhaps to see if anyone was in the way of the door so they don't get trapped?
26:42 <damian> scare tactic
26:47 <Halcyon> You don't need a lot of detail for that
26:54 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/40533022333/
26:58 <steve30> Its on the upper deck
27:10 <damian> same reason Coles has recently started putting live feed cameras in their stores .. the staff don't need it, but the more people know they're being watched the less likely they are to do something stupid
28:59 <steve30> Its an ex-London bus so I assume CCTV might be more useful down in somewhere like London.
29:03 <Halcyon> It is a deterrent
29:18 <Halcyon> And those bus ones are being recorded too, just like trains
29:42 <Halcyon> London = Dodgy ?
30:31 <steve30> probably, compared to semi-rural Yorkshire.
30:43 <K> or Wiggan
30:55 <damian> i don't have LTSC licenses
31:03 <Halcyon> Poo
31:11 <Halcyon> All good, I'll just use Windows server
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32:14 <Halcyon> I first need to check if I have enough spare RAM on my ESXi box
32:54 <Halcyon> Unless you can score me some DDR3 EEC RAM ;-)
33:02 <Halcyon> ECC
34:00 <damian> haha
34:05 <damian> RAM is something i can't get, otherwise i'd have a lot more
34:22 <Halcyon> *smirk*
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35:09 <damian> Memory	31.99 GB
35:11 <damian> :'(
35:52 <Halcyon> It's only got 16GB on my hypervisor
35:59 <Halcyon> I'm over-provisioning to the SSD
36:09 <damian> is it server hardware?
36:17 <Halcyon> Yu[
36:18 <Halcyon> Yup
36:20 <damian> what model?
36:36 <Halcyon> I built it myself ages ago, it has a Supermicro board in it
36:41 <damian> ah yeah
36:52 <Halcyon> X9SCA-F
36:56 <Halcyon> https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C202_C204/X9SCA-F.cfm
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44:21 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
45:33 * Halcyon cuddles Steve with a little butt-grab
46:12 <steve30> I hope your boyfriend doesn't mind you fondling other people's bottoms :p
48:31 <Halcyon> I hope YOU don't mind
48:32 <Halcyon> :)
49:11 <damian> i hope your moms dont mind
49:16 <damian> bunch of fags
49:20 * damian runs
49:27 <Halcyon> "Moms"
49:36 <Halcyon> Where did you learn to spell?
49:53 <damian> i use mom when i'm fake sounding like a douchebag
49:56 <damian> so people think i'm american
50:14 <Halcyon> I think with your spelling and grammar, they would certainly think that :P
50:39 <damian> my hard work has paid off
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52:03 <Guest|23> Hi
52:10 <Guest|23> Someone from Austria here?
52:52 <steve30> Dunno, but there's a few from Australia
52:53 <Halcyon> You mean Australian, not Austria ? :P
54:16 <Halcyon> Also Steve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxbOtpvU2Ck
54:22 <Halcyon> This guy is cute as fuck
55:48 <steve30> the human or the bird?
56:12 <Halcyon> Well both, but the guy mainly. He is totally my type
56:33 <Halcyon> Slightly geeky, dark features
56:53 <Halcyon> Not too muscled
57:26 <steve30> hmm, not my type, although the bird is quite cute
57:45 <damian> i prefer girls
57:52 <damian> do you have any cute girls with birds
58:00 <Halcyon> Pfft
58:08 <Halcyon> Who cares? :P
58:21 <damian> or at very least female looking transgenders
58:36 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
58:44 <Halcyon> Not choosy in the slightest are you damian ?
59:00 <damian> look
59:06 <Halcyon> Toucan's are cute though
59:12 <damian> i don't mind there being a cock, but i have to have boobs and a femanine figure
59:19 <damian> oh, and a femanine face
59:35 <Halcyon> As long as they are a bottom ?
59:57 <damian> wat
00:11 <Halcyon> Well in terms of sex, what are you going to do with a penis?
00:16 <Halcyon> You'll need a hole right?
00:26 <damian> that's what the mouth is for
00:34 <Halcyon> Eh, suit yourself
00:47 <damian> no??
00:53 <damian> is that not how it works
01:07 <Halcyon> I guess??
01:18 <damian> you don't sound too sure
01:30 <Halcyon> Oral is fine if they know what their doing
01:36 <Halcyon> Otherwise it's the other thing
02:01 <Halcyon> Also, you know what else are cute? Otters! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3jojbX-UlM
02:03 <damian> even if they don't, it's fun
02:04 <Halcyon> I want one
02:32 <damian> i saw otters in peru
09:33 <steve30> I suggest kittens for cuteness :)
09:35 <DHess_US> Keep a close eye on them. Given a chance, otters would kill you and everybody you love.
13:55 <Guest|23> do we realy talk about sexual contend?
14:11 <steve30> Guest|23, when halcyon is here, yes
14:31 <Guest|23> *gg*
15:01 <Guest|23> Here in Austria where we have no cangoo (inside joke) its hot enought for ladys to wear flipflops
15:15 <Guest|23> some are ladys are damn hot!
16:26 <Guest|23> if someone want see real porn: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/5v-power-supply-who-output-a-clean-5v-power-for-sdr/msg2479665/#msg2479665
16:27 <EEVBlog> You can get that over fibre now?
16:43 <damian> lol.
16:57 <damian> Guest|23.. the perfect mix of nerd and sexy
17:06 <damian> watch out, all the boys will be after you soon enough
17:59 <Guest|23> who is gay here?
18:19 * damian points at everyone
18:26 <steve30> Not damian apparently
18:48 <damian> no, not me
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19:05 <Guest|23> i am on a platform for people who love sneakers 99% are claim to be gay there
19:09 <Guest|23> i dont understand why
20:14 <Guest|23> can a heterosexual men not love sneakers to?
22:17 <damian> i love sneakers
22:22 <damian> or does that mean i'm gay :|
24:57 <steve30> sneakers as in shoes?
26:28 <Guest|23> sure
26:41 <Guest|23> i love when lady wear them
26:48 <Guest|23> (ladys only....)
27:00 <damian> racist
27:12 <steve30> I've noticed a lot of fetishist seem to have questionable sexuality
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27:49 <Guest|23> @damian i dont care if a chineese, russian or an italian ladys wear it so its not rassist
28:03 <Guest|23> you thougts sexist
29:34 <damian> sexist?
29:42 <damian> you're strange
32:55 <Guest|23> maybe
33:24 <Guest|23> its strange to use a cfd200 cable 10m for my discone antenna?
44:51 <Guest|23> anyone wake?
44:58 <Guest|23> here its 12:52...
45:01 <Guest|23> and I am hungry
45:17 <Halcyon> Guest|23, yeh a few of us are
50:39 <Guest|23> where are you from?
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57:39 <K> ain't nobody here but us chickens
59:51 <DHess_US> Chickens are just dinosaurs bidding there time before they wipe us out.
05:03 <damian> bok bok
05:06 <Halcyon> Sydney
05:41 <Guest|23> from the other side of the world
05:47 <Halcyon> To some :)
06:02 <Guest|23> born there?
06:08 <Halcyon> Yum
06:10 <Halcyon> Yup
06:18 <Halcyon> Where are you from?
06:25 <Guest|23> Austria
06:34 <Guest|23> the land of where no cangoos are...
06:34 <Halcyon> Not Australia? ;-)
07:08 <Guest|23> nope
07:12 <Guest|23> you know the ESC?
07:18 <Halcyon> ESC ?
07:25 <K> upper left corner
07:27 <Guest|23> eurovision song contest
07:30 <Halcyon> Ah yes
07:35 <Halcyon> Some people go crazy for it here
07:38 <Halcyon> I don't so much
07:52 <Guest|23> you know conchita or how the spelled=
07:53 <Guest|23> ?
07:57 <Halcyon> But then again, it's on live here quite early in the morning
08:03 <steve30> there was a lot of discussion about it in the other channel when it was on
08:06 <Halcyon> Yes, I'm aware
08:23 <Guest|23> austrian fag...
09:06 <Halcyon> Fag is a bit harsh... unless you're actually gay
09:19 <Halcyon> It's like black guys using the N-word
09:29 <desu> god hates fags
09:37 <Guest|23> there is nothing wrong with a nigga
09:41 <Halcyon> Thankfully god doesn't exist desu :P
09:52 <Guest|23> so i received my lunch
09:57 <Guest|23> will talk later
10:02 <Halcyon> \o/
10:47 <desu> ree
10:53 <desu> someone outbid me on that russian oscilloscope
10:57 <Halcyon> Oh no
11:02 <Halcyon> Which one?
11:08 <desu> not paying more than 30$
11:11 <desu> https://www.tradera.com/item/2939/353427132/oml-3m-oscilloskop-bra-skick-
11:29 <Halcyon> USD$30 ?
11:46 <desu> yeah
11:51 <desu> well 300 sek
11:52 <Halcyon> Yeh I wouldn't either
11:56 <desu> which is around 30$
11:56 <K> why did you want it?
12:04 <K> boat anchor?
12:04 <desu> cheap
12:14 <desu> i am not rich
12:21 <desu> and it's the cheapest i could find that's not chinese
13:25 <Halcyon> desu, fair enough
13:35 <Halcyon> I would buy old Russian over new Chinese
13:41 <K> hmm
13:43 <Halcyon> At least it has less chance of catching fire
14:20 <K> that might be true
14:30 <K> no smps in old ussr gear
16:07 <Halcyon> Old, Russian and NUCLEAR... well, that's a different story :P
16:16 <Halcyon> Thankfully they don't make those anymore
17:27 <DHess_US> Even I wouldn't buy a Soviet oscilloscope.
17:44 <Halcyon> Why not DHess_US ?
18:02 <DHess_US> When I could find a much better old tektronix?
18:06 <Halcyon> Dave's torn down a bunch of old Soviet gear and it seems to be near enough bang-on in terms of spec
18:14 <Halcyon> I guess
18:16 <desu> shipping is a lot on those
18:16 <DHess_US> Yea, but documentation to maintain it?
18:19 <desu> to EU
18:22 <Halcyon> I should buy a scope one of these days
18:30 <Halcyon> It's not as if I haven't needed one
19:07 <DHess_US> At least with an old Tektronix it is fully documented and there are lots of spare parts available if needed.
19:21 <DHess_US> Well, fully documented not in Russian.
19:22 <Halcyon> Actually, DHess_US, for someone like me who needs a scope on the very odd occasion (say a handful of times a year), what would you recommend? Is there a PC/USB based solution which would do?
20:11 <Halcyon> I get that it's hard to remain up to date and "relevant" with such low use, but a good all-rounder that is happy to sit on a shelf for months is what I need
20:13 <DHess_US> Might get one of those Compsys Design things. They are more for students and USB so require a computer but the cost is right.
20:16 <K> desu, look for old hameg
20:33 * steve30 likes his Hitachi scope
21:09 <DHess_US> If you are up for refurbishing something than an old analog oscilloscope is fine but I don't know your skill level.
21:16 <K> dunno if they go for $30 though
21:49 <K> desu: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Hameg-Oscilloscope-HM-312-8/372622793543?epid=1826921796&hash=item56c20c9b47:g:GsoAAOSwJItcg7Rb
22:17 <desu> no shipping to where i am heh
22:32 <K> where is it, if you don't mind?
22:33 <desu> but yeah i found a bunch, still a bit expensive for me.
22:42 <desu> but ill continue looking and see if one comes around for real cheap
22:44 <desu> sweden
22:48 <K> i see.
23:46 <DHess_US> https://www.syscompdesign.com/products/
23:48 <desu> why
25:27 <Halcyon> Decent quality DHess_US ?
25:32 <Halcyon> I mean, I know they are cheap
27:14 <DHess_US> I have no clue. I haven't used one but they look good for the price to me.
27:45 <DHess_US> The lowest cost one isn't very fast but the $179 one is decent.
28:26 <K> shipping and duties to sweden will make it higher
28:53 <K> i would go and ask the seller of that hameg if he can ship to swe
31:08 <DHess_US> For casual use I think even a cheap Rigol is too expensive unless you have money to burn or are intended to make good use of it.
31:26 <DHess_US> Or find a working oscilloscope locally that you can test before you buy.
32:08 <DHess_US> On Ebay you can get a decend rebuilt DSO with warranty for $300 but a cheap Rigol is probably better for most people.
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33:15 <DHess_US> Keep an eye on sales local to you for a couple months if you live where that short of thing turns up.
33:21 <K> desu, arn't there ee related forums in .se ?
34:20 <desu> maybe
34:28 <desu> probably not that active though
35:25 <desu> well there are for sure
35:37 <DHess_US> Example, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tektronix-2232-100MHz-Analog-Digital-Oscilloscope-w-Probe-60-DAY-WARRANTY/323811642700?hash=item4b64ad8d4c:g:J4UAAOSwzgdc4gFE
35:45 <K> tried your lick there?
35:50 <K> argh, luck
36:06 <desu> nah but i should
36:10 <desu> thank you for the idea
36:13 <K> np
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36:45 <K> DHess_US, problem w Teks in eu genereally is shipping and duties on import
37:10 <K> or if you can find some already in eu, the price is way too high for an analog scope, imho
37:32 <K> hence my recomendation of hameg
37:56 <DHess_US> Example of someone who refurbishes scopes and sells them with a short warranty, https://www.ebay.com/usr/shockcore?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
38:14 <DHess_US> K, yea. The US has it easy in that reguard.
38:44 <K> those old hamegs aren't that bad
38:47 <K> stock components
39:10 <DHess_US> I've heard good things about them and old Hitachi scopes.
39:37 <DHess_US> In the EU I would expect a lot of those Philips ones. They were good also.
42:51 <desu> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-Oszillograph-GM-5600-Oszilloskop-Elektrotechnik-Metallgehause-1961/372685527210?hash=item56c5c9d8aa:g:ZdIAAOSw-VFc-pNw
43:16 <desu> too old
43:19 <desu> but cheap
43:27 <K> 1961 eh
43:40 <K> might have valves in it hh
46:04 <DHess_US> Yea, not *that* old.
47:48 <K> fwiw i grew up with this on my fathers bench - https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2016/01/28/11/1454010215172722060.jpg
48:18 <K> well, not exactly in that picture, but same model
51:21 <DHess_US> Looks like a Soviet copy of something from HP.
52:28 <DHess_US> There *are* useful tube oscilloscopes but you still have to refurbish them.
52:43 <DHess_US> Like most of the Tektronix 500 series.
52:46 <K> yea, it is modular
52:52 <K> had several modules
52:57 <K> true two beam
53:12 <DHess_US> Sure, the Soviets cloned a few US oscilloscopes like that.
53:30 <T3sl4> there was a Tek 545 (or 555, i forget) in the physics lab, which i managed to use for one experiment, back in school
53:39 <T3sl4> that was fun
53:43 <DHess_US> I have a 545
53:44 <K> unfortunately it does not work now, either the hv multiplier or something wierd in psu has given
53:55 <DHess_US> They are very repairable.
54:07 <T3sl4> interesting that the controls changed so much between then, and say, a 475 (which i more or less grew up with), but it's not too awkward, still easy enough to figure out
54:08 <DHess_US> A lot of those had bad power supply transformers.
54:10 <K> i should fix it :|
54:58 <DHess_US> Oh, I don't know about that T3sl4. The only big difference is that the 500 series had stability controls to go with the level control for triggering.
55:20 <T3sl4> i think, that was an X-Y plotting experiment, so there was extra interest in using a real CRT over the early rigols that populated the benches in that lab
55:49 <T3sl4> i've seen plenty of tube scopes with "stability", but seeing one on a tek just seems so out of place
56:03 <DHess_US> I'm not sure when they dropped the stabilty adjustment.
56:21 <DHess_US> Triggering on a later model without stablity was much easier to setup.
57:04 <DHess_US> Yea, they dropped stablity on the 547
58:54 <DHess_US> 545B still had it so the 545 series was probably the last Tektronix scopes with a stability control.
59:07 <T3sl4> ah
59:26 <DHess_US> My guess is that that was because the following scopes used tunnel diode triggers. The 545 series used comparators.
01:41 <coppice_> T3sl4: wouldn't you expect huge changes between a tube and a transistor based scope?
02:37 <T3sl4> i should more say, interesting in the ways they changed
03:03 <DHess_US> There wasn't except in the circuit details.
03:18 <DHess_US> The transistor models which followed the tube models were functionally identical.
03:42 <T3sl4> they could've kept things the same, or they could've "done it right the first time", give or take how that affects signal paths, but that's something of a scaling factor in terms of how many tubes you're using, and how hot you're running them
04:25 <T3sl4> as for changes, a great many things could've been changed, in a great number of ways; it's more interesting that they made the original choices, and changes, that they did
05:01 <DHess_US> At least for Tektronix, the change was only in performance.
05:05 <coppice_> The physical contraints on the front panel changed massively in the change from tubes to semiconductors, and that affected the controls a lot
05:25 <T3sl4> or simply from a functional standpoint, it's interesting that everything is kind of discombobulated, partly because of the plugin based design and partly because of changes in circuitry and placement, and how that affects where the controls need to go
05:37 <DHess_US> The 545 series was the last "all tube" oscilloscope they made but the 547 series which came next was mostly transistors and the scopes are practically identical.
06:07 <DHess_US> coppice_, they didn't. 547 was the same size as a 545 but weighed less.
06:23 <DHess_US> The font panels still had the same number of controls.
06:28 <T3sl4> yeah, they used a lot of hybrid circuits in those transitional days too, and used a lot of transistors in a tubey method (less emphasis on feedback, still using high voltages)
06:36 <DHess_US> If you go older, then that was true and the front panels got simpler.
07:19 <coppice_> early tube scopes had really funky controls, and the low end scopes even at the time of transition still had funky controls. However, high end tube scopes had pretty well regulated controls by the transition, apart from things like brightness, which still drifted a lot.
07:35 <coppice_> the 547 was a kind of transitional fudge
07:54 <T3sl4> and then there was HP, who made a scope with a keypad (during a later transitional era, ofc)
08:12 <DHess_US> Sure, the 547 was a 545 with lots of transistors and some new functions but basically operated identically.
08:31 <coppice_> The scope with the keypad would be an early DSO, right?
08:35 <DHess_US> But they kept tubes for a long time after the transition.
09:35 <DHess_US> The last tube scope I can think of from Textronix would be the ... 453 in 1965.
09:40 <DHess_US> http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/453
10:07 <DHess_US> It needed tubes for the high voltage rectifiers and for the input impedance buffers because JFETs didn't exist yet.
10:35 <DHess_US> So up until high voltage diodes and JFETs were available, everybody was still using tubes for those functions.
11:13 <DHess_US> "The 453 is almost entirely solid-state, even in its first version, except for the 5642 HV rectifiers and CRT. Early 453's (below serial number 20,000) used a few 8393 Nuvistor triode tubes. The 453A, introduced in 1971, was fully transistorized,"
11:14 <T3sl4> as one does
11:34 <coppice_> There were JFETs in 65. MOSFETs came a bit later, but JFETs were established devices by that time
11:35 <T3sl4> CRTs still stuck around for a long time, and magnetrons still haven't disappeared [yet]
11:48 <DHess_US> But there weren't JFETs suitable for an oscilloscope front end.
12:10 <coppice_> There might not have been ones with robust enough protection
12:21 <DHess_US> JFETs never had protection.
12:38 <DHess_US> Input protection wasn't an issue. All JFETs need it added.
13:04 <T3sl4> probably they just didn't have enough gm/C to be competitive
13:12 <DHess_US> Yep
13:27 <coppice_> er, you might be right. All the JFETs I ever used had shorting clips to be removed after soldering
13:38 <DHess_US> Go through the old Tektornix design notes and the JFET figure of merit they discuss is gm/C
13:59 <DHess_US> I can even lookup the first good JFET, let's see.
15:10 <DHess_US> 2N3684
15:25 <DHess_US> Gm/C yields 90 MHz
16:20 <coppice_> A TO18 with a shorting clip was quite a PITA to use
17:37 <T3sl4> the capacitance was there, but the gain was a decade behind
17:58 <T3sl4> ~2mS, comparable to a 12AX7
18:04 <coppice_> grammes per coulomb is a odd figure or merit :)
18:28 <T3sl4> surely you mean gigameters
19:00 <coppice_> not in the 60s. gm was the usual way to write grams. and people usually spelled it grammes
19:21 <DHess_US> The 2N3822 (115 MHz) was what Tek actually used in the 453A.
19:36 <T3sl4> oi, a wise guy eh? we got Larry, coppice_ and Mho here.
20:14 <DHess_US> By the time Tektronix was using JFETs, the JFETs were replacing nuvistors.
20:31 <coppice_> Siemens hadn't bribed their way into a unit name back then
20:35 <DHess_US> They had a lot of Nuvistor front end vertical amplifiers.
21:45 <coppice_> nuvisors were the last refuge of the tube industry in a lot of industrial and military products
21:45 <T3sl4> come to think of it, it is rather peculiar to have such a corporate name in the SI
22:17 <T3sl4> planar triodes too
22:26 <coppice_> T3sl4: yeah, like Tesla
22:44 <T3sl4> :D
23:05 <T3sl4> although it is peculiar that the Weber does not measure units of heat.
24:51 <Guest|23> re
24:58 <T3sl4> do
25:31 <DHess_US> They kept using Nuvistors for a long time for rugged front end amplifiers and low noise.
25:47 <DHess_US> It took a long time for RF transistors to become lower noise than nuvistors.
26:14 <DHess_US> Oh, and for radiation resistance.
27:27 <DHess_US> TVs used nuvistor front ends for a long time for the first RF amp and mixer.
28:02 <DHess_US> They were just the thing for mast mounted RF amplifiers because of their lightning resistance.
30:26 <DHess_US> What could prossibly go wrong? https://imgur.com/gallery/1OjJnOl
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31:50 <DHess_US> http://cphpost.dk/news/elderly-man-killed-in-axelborg-elevator-accident.html
32:07 <T3sl4> those things are nearly all removed from service, and yeah, they do still cause injuries
32:59 <spacetechnician> Is anyone here interested in microwave and mm wave SETI?
33:19 <coppice_> paternosters are erally good in a company environment. Not so good when the user base doesn't meet constrained criteria
33:54 <T3sl4> spacetechnician: yes, though i tend to put them in the kitchen rather than on the furnishings
34:23 <spacetechnician> T3sl4: ?
34:29 <coppice_> spacetechician: you mean like have an account at Jodrell Bank?
34:46 <T3sl4> https://secure.img2-fg.wfcdn.com/im/81557688/resize-h800-w800%5Ecompr-r85/5266/52668794/Eleanor+Standard+Settee.jpg
35:05 <T3sl4> Settee, SETI?...nevermind
35:16 <DHess_US> Apparently one death per year.
35:26 <spacetechnician> coppice_: Equipment will be provided. But it seems as though surplus is otherwise scarce in au.
35:28 <coppice_> seti - a place to relax and mispell things
36:39 <coppice_> SETI has reported no positive results sofa
36:42 <DHess_US> spacetechnician, I stop listening after the humans kept sending me penis enlargement spam.
37:10 <spacetechnician> coppice_: True, though the Wow! signal is nevertheless a possibility.
38:06 <coppice_> A lot depends on the language you use to couch these reports
38:18 <spacetechnician> DHess_US: Extraterrestrial biological systems might be asexual, or they might have unbinary sexuality.
38:40 <K> DHess_US: it is a bit skechy
38:49 <K> about that elevator that is
39:00 <K> i've seen and used it
39:03 <coppice_> They might have three sexes, making a threesome much less of a thrill than it seems to be for many on Earth
39:10 <T3sl4> especially if you wear your tennis shoes onto said elevator
39:20 <DHess_US> spacetechnician, that is what was so insulting. They assumed I had a gender.
39:24 <spacetechnician> Is there like an amateur radio channel on this IRC network?
39:32 <DHess_US> https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7369da4d8c465b0e801c98fc629319bb8e4a709dc6013ddd7fcff68ee7af8f65.jpg?w=600&h=784
39:50 <T3sl4> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4b/83/77/4b837752d3ba52e084928439a783b235.jpg
39:51 <spacetechnician> DHess_US: I have dated a biological female whom is agender.
39:52 <coppice_> There was a pasternoster in the building where I had my first job
40:04 <spacetechnician> coppice_: In de or something?
40:16 <coppice_> in the UK
40:45 <DHess_US> I marked there system for redevelopement. The Vogons are going to handle it on Tuesday.
40:45 <spacetechnician> sounds like traditional Europe...Pasternosters
41:09 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJBD1wf-YQ
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41:44 <spacetechnician> Are there any other EE channels here?
41:48 <coppice_> I seem to vaguely remember a paternoster in a university building somewhere in the UK. They've never been common, but there must have been quite a few around in the 70s and 80s
41:53 <T3sl4> no idea
42:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, yer up too early/late :<
43:29 <desu> all elevators are kinda scary
43:40 <spacetechnician> Eh, physical intrabuilding transport is sorta passe nowadays.
44:40 <spacetechnician> unless it's a hospital or some other similar sector that cannot be computerized yet
45:07 <DHess_US> I'm not a safety nazi but even I think that is a bad concept.
45:17 <desu> replace doctors with robots
45:37 <spacetechnician> desu: The robots are still physical and would moreover still need elevators...
46:00 <T3sl4> robots don't go home to sleep
46:41 <spacetechnician> yes, though they would likely experience breakdowns and require actual maintenance
47:00 <T3sl4> if they're broken down, they can't get to the elevators anyway :)
47:15 <coppice_> breakdowns? have you seen the mental health figures for human doctors?
47:28 <T3sl4> it's not encouraging
47:30 <DHess_US> robots are too expensive. Replace doctors with scoops.
47:36 <T3sl4> go figure, brains made of meat
48:47 <Ampera> I think the guy who did the lobotomy was onto something
49:00 <T3sl4> Sheriff Lobotomy?
49:16 <Ampera> yeah him
51:14 <spacetechnician> coppice_: Heh European universities must be interesting to physically explore...sooo old...
51:55 <coppice_> most European universities are not actually that old
52:03 <DHess_US> I'm telling you, scoops are the way to go, https://youtu.be/-wa4U6TQlNI?t=18
52:15 <DHess_US> And recycling is green.
52:38 <desu> ssoy
52:48 <spacetechnician> coppice_: I mean, like Oxford.
53:01 <T3sl4> DHess_US: our people are our greatest asset
53:21 <Ampera> I've walked all around MIT, it has a neat enough campus
54:26 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I bet. Have you ever considered how the occupation "Human Resource Manager" is a lot more sinister if you think about it?
54:27 <coppice_> spacetechnician: Cambridge is a much nicer place. Oxford (the city) is a bit of post industrial shithole
54:43 <spacetechnician> Oxford is second-oldest (1096--1167)
55:00 <T3sl4> DHess_US -- I mean, they haven't invented a robotic Resource Manager yet, what're ya gonna do?
55:28 <coppice_> spacetechnican: in the UK it is. In Europe several of the oldest universities are in Italy
56:33 <coppice_> spacetechnican: I seem to remember the oldest university in Europe is somewhere unexpected, like Pomona
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58:48 <T3sl4> their curriculum is obscure, but their electrical connectors are world renouned
58:55 Nick: spactechnician is now known as spacetechnician
59:47 <coppice_> T3sl4: isn't a key aspected of any good university the connections you can make there?
59:56 <T3sl4> indeed
01:20 <coppice_> I remember things from college like connecting to the mains to a diode, to demonstrate how any diode is really an LED
02:06 <T3sl4> it's only an LED for a little while, then it's a DED
02:38 <coppice_> true, but had pure white light output in the early 70s
03:27 <T3sl4> they even supplied them in convenient ammo reels for continuous feed
03:59 <coppice_> true. if only we'd worked on improving the lifetime
04:40 <T3sl4> efficiency still wasn't great either
04:59 <Ampera> anything is a two way LED if you pump enough energy into it
05:27 <T3sl4> Ampera, you're a "let's emit die"
06:01 <Ampera> I wanna die
07:17 <T3sl4> see
07:52 <coppice_> Ode on the death of Di
08:14 <T3sl4> Ode, The?
08:19 <T3sl4> de ode?
14:47 <steve30> hi T3sl4
15:12 * T3sl4 meows at steve30
16:15 <desu> uwu
16:23 <steve30> coppice_, there is a Paternoster lift in the University of Sheffield's Arts Tower building
16:35 * T3sl4 scritches desu behind the ear
18:09 <coppice_> steve30: still operating today?
18:30 <steve30> My Mum did some work there a couple of years ago and she said it was
18:53 <steve30> But she didn't use it as she has a phobia of lifts, ever since getting stuck in one (a paternoster) decades ago
19:06 <Ampera> how do you get stuck in a paternoster lift
19:40 <steve30> well, i think it was a paternoster lift she got stuck in. It probably stopped in an inconvenient place and prevented her from getting out easily.
19:43 <coppice_> steve30: That's surprising. Universities are usually a bit anal about health and safety
20:01 <Ampera> You could have stopped it at anal
20:23 <coppice_> Ampera: I've see people get stuck for a while, out of fear of stepping off.... until the tedium overcomes their phobia
23:25 <steve30> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paternoster_Arts_Tower_2013.jpg
24:03 <steve30> It has health and safety notices and emergency stop buttons, so probably safe enough. Also apparently it is safe to go over the top and under the bottom.
24:44 <desu> do they stop if someone gets sdtuck in the middle?
24:48 <desu> or just keep going
24:54 <coppice_> of course its safe to go over the top or bottom. people do it all the time, when they miss their floor
25:06 <coppice_> The main safety hazard is toe damage
25:06 <desu> also what happends if you never step off
25:32 <steve30> If you don't get off, you go back down the other side
25:47 <desu> cool
26:14 <steve30> and then if you don't get off again, you go back up
26:42 <coppice_> it just bothers people when they do over the top, as it can be dark and claustrophobic
32:43 <Ampera> I remember Tom Scott talking about how going over the top would break the lift when he did a video on it
32:50 <Ampera> I guess I was lied to >:(
33:41 <steve30> probably depends on the individual lift
34:03 <coppice_> rubbish. Its just a bunch of little cars on a band. they are rolling over the top and bottom all the time. There is no lighting in most of them, as without doors they normally really on the room lighting around them
34:27 <Guest|23> bye see all later
34:31 Quit: Guest|23 (Guest|[email protected]) Connection closed
34:53 <coppice_> the one where I worked has sarcastic comments on the wall at the top and bottom, about you being dopey and missing your floor
35:24 <coppice_> s/has/had
36:09 <Ampera> SpaceX Radarsat in 35 minutes
36:46 <desu> you know those livestreams are fake
37:15 <coppice_> yeah, especially that one with Neil Armstrong
38:03 <damian> what's happening now
38:14 <coppice_> lunch
38:16 <Ampera> THEY'RE GOING TO SPACE
38:26 <desu> there is no space and we live under a dome
38:27 * Ampera yeets damian into orbit
38:46 <T3sl4> wanna go to space
38:48 <coppice_> i live under a cloud
38:48 <T3sl4> spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
38:51 * Ampera dropkicks desu into the sun
39:05 <T3sl4> coppice_: oregon?
40:17 <coppice_> so, I pick up our new car tomorrow. its loaded with these electronic driver convenience features. Now I've seen how thick the manual for this stuff is, I'm not sure if convenience is the correct term.
40:34 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @alangarf: @jeriellsworth @vk2zay Oh they are special. PD3435 by Siemens in '87. Kinda a ceramic hybrid package. Not super bright though…
40:39 <coppice_> T3sl4: There oregano in the garden, if that's what you mean
41:00 <T3sl4> mmm, oregano
41:13 * T3sl4 dropkicks coppice_ with heads of garlic
41:31 <coppice_> there's oregano in the kitchen too
42:11 <Ampera> mmm kitchen
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42:20 <Ampera> morning
42:22 * T3sl4 dropkicks Ampera into the kitchen sink
43:03 * Ampera sinks into T3sl4's thick ass
43:10 <T3sl4> ohhh myyy
50:41 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2nJd9Urk8 Radarsat launch
51:41 <coppice_> what is radarsat?
52:53 <Ampera> a cannuckian satellite
53:07 <Ampera> the most expensive payload SpaceX ever launched
53:16 <Ampera> an excuse to watch a big stick go boom
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