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43:04 Quit: AndrevS ([email protected]) Connection closed
00:17 <DHess_US> http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3300/fc03298.png
21:28 <rust_collector> do they know how much it would cost to repair a trolley?
37:55 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
38:04 <Nothing\> oh man i'm silly
39:04 <Nothing\> wound up getting yet another variety of inverter cuz i misread the datasheet and thought they were buffers
39:22 <Nothing\> so now i have like 5 different types of inverters and not a single normal buffer, got some ST buffers but no normal ones
40:29 <Nothing\> i also got these cd4047 monostable multivabrators, they're interesting little chips, seems like a more versatile version of the 555 on cmos, except it can only source like 1ma on the outputs, so those buffers sure woulda been nice
41:18 <Nothing\> oh well, i can always put 2 mosfets back to back, that seems to work fine as a buffer in a pinch, or failing that, an AND gate with both inputs tied together
41:49 <Nothing\> although i get the sense instead of the 2 mosfets back to back, i'd probably be better off using an op amp configured as a voltage follower
04:47 <Nothing\> ah lively as every, i see well that's fine, i can entertain myself just fine
04:55 * Nothing\ ponders Bob Barker's mortality
09:29 * rust_collector is trying to remember what kind of terminals he has that he can use to hook up wires to a perfboard
13:10 <Nothing\> i was trying to figure that out the other day, i've been wanting to make something on perfboard but aside from soldering pigtail connectors directly to it, i don't think i have any elegant solutions for connecting power to it
14:11 <Nothing\> i need a new soldering iron and/or solder before i can solder anything else though, for whatever reason whenever i try, the solder just sticks to the tip of my soldering iron, but absolutely nothing else. i tried to solder some resistors onto some LEDs and the solder would just roll right off of the leads,
14:37 <rust_collector> I found a small double screw-clamp sort of terminal, for the power, but I think I need something more chunky on the load side
14:50 <Nothing\> i figure either my soldering iron isn't hot enough or my solder is old and oxidized since it's from the 80's or so,
15:04 <Nothing\> better safe than sorry
15:13 <rust_collector> it is not plumbing solder or something?
15:42 <Nothing\> it's kester brand, but it was my grandfather's when he was an electrician and he hasn't done that since at least the 80's if not the 70's
16:56 <Nothing\> i need some plumbing solder though, the idiot who installed the faucet on my tub thought it was good enough to just put a single screw in to hold it in place, just slid it onto the pipe and put the screw in, now of course it's leaking like a sieve into the wall every time i use it and i'm just waiting for the faucet head to go flying off and hit me in the shins
17:25 <Nothing\> and the whole reason i had him install a new one was cuz that's exactly what happened with the old one, it just shot off randomly one day cuz it wasn't installed right
18:33 <Nothing\> i hate how it seems like any place you rent these days, the maintenance people will only do the absolute bare minimum work, then they wonder why they have to come back a week later cuz their repair job broke already
19:31 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy that I do not have that problem
20:13 <Nothing\> must be nice, though i'm glad i have somebody else to fix stuff for me cuz otherwise it wouldn't get done
20:21 <rust_collector> well, I am the maintenance guy, and I tend to do a temoprary fix, that as usual seems to last forever
20:29 <Nothing\> plus i know there are some sort of critters in the walls, so i wouldn't wanna have to deal with that
21:15 <Nothing\> they still won't fix my damn doorbell, the transformer's buggered and needs to be replaced, but the guy swore up and down it was just a matter of moving two wires in the box which were touching BY THE INSULATION
21:35 <Nothing\> cuz a common problem with doorbells is the way they're known to short out through insulated wire
22:07 <rust_collector> hah, I remember this guy I knew, who had rats in the wall, so he was laying in bed, listening to the wall, then he shot the rat thru the wall with a .22 I bet that has a nice smell now
22:15 <Nothing\> i'd replace the transformer myself if i knew where the hell it was, i've looked all over for it but i dunno where the wires for it come from in the basement
22:25 <Nothing\> haha nice, that's a good shot
22:30 <Nothing\> oh man, i had that problem once though
22:49 <Nothing\> at my old place we had rats and mice and one of them died in the vent, so for about a month i had the smell of rotting flesh all throughout my house
23:01 <Nothing\> i basically just waited for it to decay until there was no smell left
23:01 <rust_collector> perfect
23:02 <Nothing\> real healthy
23:09 <Nothing\> breathing that stuff in every time the furnace came on
23:37 <rust_collector> at least you don't have to carry your jar with a dead bird in it, so you can keep the smell of death with you
23:46 <Nothing\> those rats are real bastards though, like i've dealt with mice and i figured that's what they'd be like, but these guys really mess shit up
24:03 <Nothing\> lol apparently semen has some compounds in it that are also responsible for the smell of rotting flesh
24:06 <Nothing\> cadaverine
24:25 <rust_collector> hmm, interesting
25:17 <Nothing\> but yeah those rats i had, i went away for a weekend the one time and when i came back, my place looked like somebody ransacked it, there was a bag of candy in the middle of the floor, torn open, candy everywhere, another bag of candy was completely missing with only a few strewn about, a garbage can was knocked over with the garbage all over the floor, everything they could get into, they did
25:33 <Nothing\> but you just don't imagine rodents as being able to actually move large objects like that
25:56 <rust_collector> I did a year and a bit as a grave digger. The best ones were the graves from the early 70's, when they wrapped people in plastic. They are just liquid black goo now, with a "special" smell
26:11 <Nothing\> oh lovely
26:36 <Nothing\> i had a friend who worked in a funeral home when i was a teenager, so i used to always sit in and keep him company while he prepped bodies for service the next day
26:49 <Nothing\> there was never any smell to them though, the bodies were all fresh
27:07 <rust_collector> no, they are ok when they are nice and fresh
27:24 <rust_collector> not so much after 20+ years
27:26 <Nothing\> at least you didn't get any problems with gas build up
27:38 <Nothing\> i hear that can be downright dangerous sometimes
27:47 <Nothing\> you get people whose guts explode
28:17 <rust_collector> explode... well, I guess they can go pop, but I would not say they explode
28:19 <Nothing\> i dunno if that actually happens to people, but i've seen it with whales and it's literally like a bomb of rotting biological material
28:34 <Nothing\> yeah whales literally explode
28:58 <Nothing\> with people, i'd imagine a lot of the gasses can escape through the mouth and anus
29:00 <rust_collector> better grill them before they rot
29:15 <Nothing\> it's a weird thing seeing a body though
29:21 <rust_collector> yeah, I guess we are leaky enough
29:33 <Nothing\> lol leaky bags of water
30:38 <Nothing\> i'm fortunate to have never had anyone die that i'm close to, i've had 2 uncles and my grandfather and i didn't really know or talk to any of them much
32:02 <Nothing\> sigh, i'm in another of those moods where i wanna do something but dunno what
34:29 <rust_collector> eeh, you can finish this load thing for me, because I just see pins sticking out everywhere, and start to mix them up. It is time for a break
35:51 <Nothing\> i hate it when that happens
36:43 <Nothing\> i've tried building an adder, just a 1 bit adder from discrete transistors and i'd be confused to no end before i even got the first xor gate made
37:08 <rust_collector> I get that most of the time. I just have to go do something else for a while. Same when I am reading about something. I can read all of it, but in the end, I know just a little bit of it
37:43 <rust_collector> I guess my brain just does not like learning things
40:58 <rust_collector> the thing needs a 5v supply. maybe I should add a 5v regulator to the board.
41:55 <Nothing\> heh i find if i lose my place, i have no hope of figuring out what i was doing and have to start over again
42:07 <rust_collector> right
42:07 <Nothing\> it's akin to looking at a bunch of code with no comments i suppose
42:44 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to try making something out of RTL gates made from discrete transistors
43:08 <Nothing\> or even make CMOS gates, i've got some N and P channel mosfets, though they're not very closely matched but i think it should still work
43:54 <Nothing\> i hate making CMOS gates though cuz they don't use any resistors at all and i invariably do something wrong and it ends up with one of my transistors conducting a short circuit
49:15 <Nothing\> gah i hate it when my bowels get so blocked up that it pushes against my bladder and makes me pee more than a pregnant lady
49:26 <Nothing\> i pee enough as it is thanks to the beetus
56:14 <DHess_US> <rust_collector> do they know how much it would cost to repair a trolley?
57:01 <DHess_US> I know, right? If I have the authority over where the trolley goes, then I am responsible for it. I do not have any authority over the people on the tracks so they are not my responsibility.
57:19 <rust_collector> well, in my somewhat limited experience, it would need hosing off, and that is it, but... yes
57:56 <Nothing\> a trolley? like a shopping trolley?
58:01 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what else brits call a trolley
58:11 <rust_collector> a tram?
58:14 <DHess_US> Nothing\, there is only one answer to discrete logic, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_injection_logic
58:15 <Nothing\> when i hear trolley i think either that, or yeah a tram
58:19 <rust_collector> mini train
58:41 <rust_collector> the scariest form of transportation I can think of
59:59 <Nothing\> DHess_US: interesting, i've never heard of these but i should look into them
00:03 <DHess_US> Nothing\, the problem with discrete CMOS is that the low channel resistance results in huge shoot through currents.
00:11 <Nothing\> for BJTs i was thinking maybe i should give emitter coupled logic a shot
00:42 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah i noticed it uses quite a bit more current than what i expected
00:46 <DHess_US> ECL is easy enough but injection logic like I linked is lower power and simpler.
01:15 <DHess_US> PNPs can be used for the current sources and you can adjust the current as needed to meet your frequency requirements.
01:31 <Nothing\> yeah low power is what i'm looking for right now, as well as ease of use, i run everything off of 9v batteries these days so if i can make them last longer using low power solutions, it's all the better
01:41 <DHess_US> Injection logic can be really low power.
01:55 <Nothing\> DHess_US: actually i just got a pack of lm334 adjustable current sources the other day, so perfect timing
02:16 <Nothing\> or alternatively, i have some n channel jfets which seem to make a good current source
02:19 <DHess_US> Well, you could use those for the master current source.
02:36 <DHess_US> But each current source normally just takes a PNP transistor and a resistor.
02:42 <Nothing\> although from what i understand, just about any transistor can be used as a current source
02:56 <DHess_US> PNPs are cheapest and give the best performance.
03:16 <DHess_US> Each gate output requires one current source.
03:21 <Nothing\> ah i've got like 50 pnps, and maybe 50 or 100 p channel mosfets
03:54 <DHess_US> So each output takes 1 NPN and 1 PNP and 1 resistor which is actualy prettty good.
04:11 <Nothing\> i even bought some p channel jfets cuz i wanted to play around making a lambda diode
04:17 <DHess_US> The integrated version doesn't need the resistor.
05:37 <Nothing\> i dunno what else i'd do with those p channel jfets i wound up with more than i needed cuz i ordered a few packs since the first one never came and they were only like a buck anyways, pretty pricy compared to other transistors for some reason
05:49 <Nothing\> i think i paid $1 or $2 for a pack of 5 of them
06:29 <DHess_US> current sources, choppers, differenital amplifiers
07:04 <Nothing\> yeah i'm sure there are plenty of uses, i'll have to look up an app note or something, it's just the general sense i get from other people is that p channel jfets are pretty useless
07:19 <Nothing\> but then i've also heard people talk about how useless PNPs are, and i can think of tons of uses for them
07:49 <Nothing\> personally i avoid pnps just because trying to think of everything flipped around like that does my head in
10:13 <DHess_US> Another good use for a p-jfet although a PNP works just as well here, https://i.ibb.co/YPR8Pyr/07-1-High-Stability-Regulator.png
13:24 <Nothing\> ah, nice
27:17 <rust_collector> perfect. I just stabbed myself in the finger with the soldering iron... 3 times
28:35 <Nothing\> ah fun times, i kept doing that with my multimeter probes the other day trying to take it out to and use it in the car
30:47 <Nothing\> once i was moving my desk to prepare to move out and i stepped on something sharp so i looked at my toe and in the end of my middle toe was a 1.25in needle that had been sitting behind my desk on the floor in all kinds of dust and dirt and crap for years
31:53 <Nothing\> just the needle part though, i cut it off of a syringe so i could use the syringe as a syringe without the needle bit cuz i didn't need that bit for anything, and it went flying off some place where i finally cut it off with some force but i lost track of it until then
32:54 <Nothing\> mighty unsettling feeling that was
42:07 <DHess_US> I had a brad point drill skip off of a burried screw and gouge my finger earlier today.
44:39 <T3sl4> :/
45:00 <rust_collector> I think this circuit is done, time for a break, and then try to see what I did
50:10 <Ampera> hullo
50:13 <Ampera> hi Nothing\
54:18 <T3sl4> hollow there
54:28 <Ampera> hi T3sl4, how are you doing?
08:03 <T3sl4> good, watching GDQ
09:25 <Ampera> I was thinking about streaming myself, but I decided to just play Minecraft instead.
14:50 <Nothing\> oh hey Ampera, i'm doing alright, though i was just nodding off playing mario kart so i've gotta find something else to do, maybe watch something
15:00 <Nothing\> how about you, how are you doing man?
15:09 <Ampera> I'll tell you how I'm doing.
15:25 <Ampera> I woke up, walked upstairs, looked at the mail on the table
15:29 <Ampera> saw "online divorce"
15:43 <Nothing\> you sure it's not just junk mail or an ad or something?
15:51 <Ampera> no because my parents are divorcing
15:55 <Nothing\> ah
15:57 <Ampera> and that's how they are doing it
16:05 <Nothing\> so it's not like you just found this out and were surprised by it
16:19 <Ampera> Nope.
16:34 <Nothing\> ah, so i take it you're not a fan of the idea huh?
16:35 <Ampera> I could be sad by it, scared by it, upset by it, but I will choose to laugh and be happy.
16:42 <Ampera> I used to not be, but now I am.
16:46 <Ampera> My mom is dead to me now.
16:58 <Ampera> She died a while ago, I do not know the person who takes her place.
17:48 <Nothing\> the unknown is often what's scariest, not knowing how things will work out, but usually the worry before hand ends up being a lot worse than the actual events you're worrying about happening
18:00 <Nothing\> and ime anyways there's always a silver lining to be found
18:14 <Ampera> Not that I'm not scared or worried about what will happen, it's just that I'm not going to reflect it towards her.
18:16 <Nothing\> i'm not saying it's a good thing, but if you can find good things in crappy things it makes it a lot easier to deal with
18:35 <Ampera> As far as I'm concerned she has forfeited all rights she has to me as a mother, and she does not deserve to even see me.
18:36 <Nothing\> i know what you mean with your mom dying, that's what happened to my ex
18:47 <Nothing\> just not the same person anymore
18:52 <Ampera> I told you I went to the ER?
18:56 <Nothing\> right
19:22 <Ampera> Well, she's a consistent drunk. She is literally drunk every night, and despite any effort she put into stopping, she is a filthy, unkempt, horrific drunk.
19:45 <Nothing\> that's really unfortunate, i'm sorry you've had to deal with that man
20:03 <Ampera> She couldn't even stay off alcohol for the one night I wanted to call her and my dad after I was in the ER.
20:28 <Ampera> It was literally the reason I didn't even want to call them, and the one time I made an exception under unusual circumstances, she was drunk in the phone
20:36 <Nothing\> my dad was a drunk but fortunately i never saw it much, he quit when i was too young to remember then when him and my mom divorced when i was 14 he started back up again, but he'd moved out and i didn't see him that much, though i still saw him drunk more than once
20:49 <Nothing\> i recall him taking me to an appointment out of town when i was 16 and he reeked of booze
20:49 <Ampera> and not only was she drunk in the phone, she lied straight to my face and told me that not only was she not drunk, but that I didn't even call her.
20:59 <Nothing\> meanwhile he had to drive me an hour away
21:16 <Nothing\> that's about the worst i got, thankfully
21:26 <Nothing\> my brother got the joy of having to make liquor store runs for him
21:35 <Nothing\> cuz he was embarassed to go himself
21:52 <Ampera> The thing is, my mother has a sister, my aunt, and whenever she would talk about her childhood, she'd make claims that my aunt would always lie and get her in trouble, and that she was some sort of bad influence of a person
22:22 <Ampera> and not that my aunt's life was free from bad ideas, after staying with here even recently, I've realized most of the shit she even told me was a fucking lie, and that she consistently has done that.
22:53 <Ampera> Even my great grandmother, years before I was born, told my grandfather that she was a consistent liar.
23:01 <Nothing\> that's messed up man, but i'm glad you finally got to see the truth, i hope it's led or leading to a good solid relationship with your aunt
23:29 <Ampera> I've always had a nice relationship with her. The issue is that her, my grandfather, and grandmother all had schizoaffective disorder
23:49 <Ampera> My mom is supposedly "spared" from having anything, but that's probably also a lie.
24:06 <Nothing\> it certainly sounds like she has some sort of disorder
24:10 <Ampera> I'm talking about lies so much I'm going to listen to the song Endless Lies, by ELO.
24:16 <Nothing\> well, the alcoholism in itself is a disorder
24:30 <Nothing\> has she been this way all your life?
24:36 <Ampera> Nope.
24:36 <Nothing\> or at least drank all your life
24:39 <Ampera> Nope
24:44 <Nothing\> before you were born?
24:47 <Ampera> She drank, but responsibly and reasonably.
24:50 <Ampera> Oh yeah, of course.
25:06 <Nothing\> but the way she is now though, in a problematic way, or just partying type drinking?
25:16 <Ampera> She's been like this, and has been in an anomalous state of not fucked from my birth to the point I stopped my secondary education.
25:47 <Nothing\> so it just started fairly recently
25:49 <Ampera> She always drank, but she wasn't always a drunk. During that period of her life, she had settled down, stabilized her life, and had gotten her shit together.
26:02 <Ampera> It started right after she stopped homeschooling me.
26:06 <Nothing\> is there anything you can think of that might have set her off?
26:11 <Ampera> That
26:14 <Nothing\> really
26:28 <Nothing\> just the lack of responsibility gave her too much free time on her hands?
26:29 <Ampera> Once she no longer had a constant source of things to do in the day relating to her children, she started to progressively decline.
26:42 <Nothing\> being idle will certainly do that to people
26:47 <Ampera> I'd consider what she has to be a mid-life crisis, but to a psychotic level.
27:10 <Nothing\> that's one of my problems is i have too much free time on my hands, i need some way to keep myself busy so i stop thinking about terrible things and having anxiety/panic attacks all day
27:25 <Nothing\> ohoh psychosis is way worse
27:29 <Nothing\> you don't want psychosis
27:55 <Ampera> Right now she is trying to relive her adolescence, she is incredibly socially active to random groups of people, has an incredibly high libido, but not for my dad.
28:32 <Ampera> I'm not a therapist, but I would call is psychosis.
28:48 <Ampera> or a psychologist by that means anyways
29:08 <Nothing\> my brother had psychosis after he was suddenly taken off of his anxiety meds, he thought my mom's bf at the time was in the mafia and complained of 50 foot shadows following him, he said outside looked like a commodore game with dc-10s flying around and dropping bombs, he got really paranoid cuz he was living with my mom and her bf so he left there and drove his car to our grandmother's an hour away even though he couldn'
29:24 <Ampera> alright not that bad
29:30 <Ampera> but still bad
29:32 <Nothing\> he messaged me telling me how when we were little we were in the witness protection program cuz of my mom's bf whom she didn't even know back then
29:50 <Nothing\> although if your mom gets DTs when she tries to quit, she may well get that bad
29:58 <desu> https://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/hi-point-handguns/9mm-OGYC.php
30:06 <Nothing\> but DTs usually happen with severe withdrawal
30:06 <Ampera> Honestly I wouldn't say it's not the same thing, just not as extreme.
30:15 <Ampera> Because there is a family history of fairly extreme psychosis.
30:18 <Nothing\> ah i can relate to wanting to relive your adolescence
30:30 <Ampera> No, not wanting, actually doing it as a state of mind.
30:30 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> good, watching GDQ
30:33 <Nothing\> did she have you when she was fairly young or something?
30:36 <Ampera> Imagine your mind just snapped back to being 16
30:38 <DHess_US> Shouldn't you be searching for the 8th transistor?
30:46 <Ampera> Nope, she had me when she was in her mid 20's
31:03 <Nothing\> ah so she got to live out her teenage years normally
31:08 <Ampera> DHess_US, I think that's the closest thing we've had on this channel to a hate crime
31:10 <T3sl4> DHess_US: thou hast lost an eighth?
31:26 <Nothing\> desu: lol yeet canon that's an awesome name for a gun
31:34 <Nothing\> too bad they didn't call it the Yee canon
32:05 <Ampera> Honestly I'm done trying to diagnose someone I can't otherwise fix.
32:16 <Nothing\> Ampera: you can't fix her, only she can do that
32:22 <Ampera> There is only one solution for her, whoever she is.
32:25 <Nothing\> you can certainly help her to fix herself, but ultimately it's up to her
32:36 <Ampera> All my peers are in agreement, her only solution is to hit rock bottom.
32:36 <Nothing\> if you try to do it for her you're just gonna end up getting sucked down with her
32:53 <Nothing\> unfortunately rock bottom seems to be what it takes in a lot of cases
32:56 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I thought you did and that is why it is Seven Transistor Labs.
33:01 <Ampera> She is no longer the person I knew, and until she breaks her own bubble of a world view, that is never going to change.
33:14 <Nothing\> not every one of course, but ime most of the time it takes a severe tragedy and a great deal of suffering
33:35 <Nothing\> Ampera: from the sounds of it then it seems the divorce is for the best then, huh?
33:49 <Ampera> Losing everyone she ever used to love, and finding the people she traded them in for didn't give her the happily ever after she wanted might do that.
34:03 <T3sl4> 8 isn't prime, though
34:12 <Ampera> T3sl4, 11
35:07 <T3sl4> too many
35:18 <Ampera> 3.14159
35:46 <Ampera> Nothing\, at the moment her swift departure with the coldest of handshakes goodbye is her best hope, and what can allow us to return to our lives.
36:05 <Ampera> We have already begun to replace her in our own ways, even my dad.
36:30 <Nothing\> that's sad, but as i said it will end up bringing about good things for all of you
36:32 <Nothing\> even her
36:58 <Ampera> Perhaps in her own special world, but what makes her happy is not upon my concerns anymore.
37:14 <Nothing\> i've gotta say Ampera i went through the exact same thing myself, i lost everyone and everything i ever loved because i'm an addict
37:15 <Ampera> She does not care for me, so I cannot care for her anymore.
37:34 <Ampera> I know, Nothing\, and I'm sorry if this is a bit personal from the other end of the pitch for you
37:46 <Nothing\> although tbh it took me years of fucking around after that STILL to get myself clean, and by clean i'm only on methadone so i'm not even done yet
38:06 <Nothing\> oh hey no worries man, i'm actually glad to help out with my own experiences when i can
38:22 <Nothing\> that way they're not quite so in vain
39:23 <Ampera> They say a mother's love is unconditional. That statement must either be false, or she must no longer be the person who was my mother.
39:37 <Ampera> For my own sanity, it must be the latter.
39:56 <Nothing\> well maybe not all mothers, but for what it's worth unconditional love of that sort DOES exist
40:03 <Nothing\> i felt the same way about my father though
40:30 <Nothing\> the most important thing he ever taught me was that people will screw you over constantly in life, even family, doesn't matter who they are to you
41:05 <Nothing\> but my mom taught me that that sort of unconditional love does exist, so it's a two sided coin i guess
41:23 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
41:39 <Nothing\> it did really screw me up not having a proper father figure in my life though, i never learned any of the important life skills one does from a father
41:50 <Nothing\> i had to figure it out on my own for the most part
41:54 <Ampera> The issue is I still need people to lean upon, I can't face my life's challenges alone. My mom was a person I held the most intimate relationship anymore, and I am finding myself needing to locate a replacement for that.
42:19 <Nothing\> fuck man, i'm sorry
42:22 <Ampera> I don't have the same relationship with my dad, and from a core point of very important ideology, we don't see eye to eye like I did with my mother.
42:24 <Nothing\> yeah there's no easy way to replace that
42:31 <Nothing\> and even if you do, it's just not the same
42:40 <Nothing\> but that's not to say it won't be a good thing when you do replace it
42:43 <Nothing\> and i know you will
42:46 <Ampera> My grandfather is the only person left to which I can place that level of significance on.
43:08 <Ampera> The only issue is that he doesn't live close, and even with him, I cannot place the same level of intimacy I was able to with my mother.
43:18 <Nothing\> it can be really difficult, scary even when you find people you depend on are disappearing from your life
44:06 <Ampera> I think within this I need to find ways to maximize the positives and minimize the negatives. I think this might help harden my emotions in life, help me deal with the world around me in a more stable manner.
44:27 <Nothing\> i've always found that's really helpful to do
44:37 <Nothing\> find the bright side, the silver lining, and hold onto it
44:40 <Ampera> A papercut might be someone's worst injury, but would be nothing to someone with a broken leg.
45:32 <Nothing\> ime i've always found that the worst tragedies in my life have always led to some of the best things
45:41 <Nothing\> crisatunity, as homer says
46:01 <Nothing\> cuz the chinese have the same word for crisis as they do for opportunity
46:27 <Nothing\> it's so true, though i've always found crises provide great opportunities to improve things
48:37 <Ampera> I think I'm gonna stick my head above deck, see how things are going
48:38 <Ampera> bbl
49:08 <Nothing\> alright man, take care
49:19 <Nothing\> and try not to worry too much, things will work out
50:26 <Nothing\> hrm what to do now, every time i try to play a game or read i start falling asleep, but if i go down for a nap i know i'll be out for hours and it'll throw my sleeping all out of whack so that's not an option
51:01 <Nothing\> i wish i had my nintendo switch, i've been saving up to get one and i've almost got enough
51:07 <Nothing\> one more week i think :D
53:09 <rust_collector> wife bought one a couple weeks ago
53:13 <rust_collector> it is crap
54:46 <rust_collector> ok, I am just saying that, so you would feel less bad about not having one yet
54:55 <rust_collector> it is completely awesom
54:57 <rust_collector> e
55:27 <rust_collector> And I am only saying that to be a dick. because I have not tried it
59:22 <rust_collector> so, troubleshooting is much more difficult if you do not have fuses in your multimeter
11:29 <DHess_US> That should never stop you, https://i.ibb.co/V2r92fL/Beckman-RMS225.jpg
13:10 <rust_collector> well, it was just that I grabbed the meter that had leads
13:57 <rust_collector> it is a cheapie I got from work, so it has probably been used to test the amps of truck batteries or something
16:11 <rust_collector> I notice I should get some way to measure temp
17:29 <rust_collector> from my carefully calibrated finger touch method, I think this irlz44 is at 95 to 100c right now
18:10 <DHess_US> Those IR temperature guns are pretty cheap now.
18:41 <rust_collector> I think it is pretty amazing how good the thing transfer heat to the heat sink, compared to the plastic case
19:04 <rust_collector> Yeah, I have been looking at those. I could use them for lots of things
21:29 <DHess_US> These can be found cheap on Ebay, https://www.amazon.com/d/Thermocouple-Blocks/Fluke-80TK-Thermocouple-Module/B0023FUI3Y
22:00 <DHess_US> Or just get a multiple which supports standard type-K probes.
25:11 <rust_collector> Yeah, maybe I should get one of those generic type k boxes. it is not like I need very precise temps. But I guess I can put that on the list of things to look for when I am buying a new meter
25:47 <rust_collector> I think the ir gun would be more useful for more things right now
27:56 <rust_collector> heh, the transformer gets almost as hot as the lm317 on a tiny heat sink. But ok, I think it came from a radio or something.
32:05 <DHess_US> IR guns are not as accurate. Many cheap but good multimeters have type-K support built in.
33:24 <rust_collector> I am thinking about getting a more proper meter, for the higher power stuff. If I find one with the temp function, that would be a plus, I guess
34:17 <DHess_US> I should add temperature to my multimeter spreadsheet.
34:54 <DHess_US> The best ones have the type-k probe socket built in.
35:08 <rust_collector> yeah, I have seen some with that
35:12 <DHess_US> Which is more accurate and you don't lose the adapter.
35:22 <rust_collector> what? me?
35:36 <rust_collector> HAH!
38:10 <rust_collector> I actually think the ultra crappy "best tools" meter the wife gave me for christmas a few years ago, has the temp function (but no adapter or probe) I have not found anything much to use that thing for, but it was big and yellow, so she thought it looked like the ones I usually looked at
44:40 <rust_collector> I did think about putting the thing in a box, and use as a bench meter... But that does not make much sense either
48:20 * T3sl4 oxidizes rust_collector
48:54 <rust_collector> thanks man
49:24 <T3sl4> :D
49:47 <T3sl4> i wonder if you can make a bipolar transistor out of ferric oxide, because it would have a collector made of rust
40:00 <rust_collector> I wonder if vegetarians on average spend more time eating, than other people
01:34 <DHess_US> yes
01:47 <DHess_US> How much intelligance does it take to sneak up on a leaf?
02:12 <rust_collector> 7?
02:37 <DHess_US> Food value for plants is lower than animals.
02:49 <DHess_US> So they *must* spend more time eating.
02:55 <rust_collector> yeah, I would think so
03:11 <rust_collector> I just tried eating salad, and it just does not work
04:03 <DHess_US> Feeling "full" depends on ingested fats which plants are low on.
04:46 <DHess_US> Same thing which triggers the gall bladder to release bile into the small intestine to better digest fats.
06:02 <DHess_US> Something like fried rice might trigger it.
06:50 <DHess_US> Looking for multimeters which have good temperature measurement functions. Apparently there are not any.
07:26 <DHess_US> I'm up to APPA
08:27 <DHess_US> Found one ... but it isn't that good a multimeter.
09:07 <rust_collector> that is why we need 12, isn't it?
09:51 <DHess_US> 12?
10:17 <rust_collector> hey, I am a noob, I have not gathered up all of them yet
10:18 <DHess_US> Oh, stir fry vegitables would trigger it.
10:33 <DHess_US> Maybe that explains why asians tend to be thinner.
11:25 <rust_collector> they tend to need to eat every 20 minutes. I think they are just different
13:56 <DHess_US> Whoa! Found one.
14:22 <DHess_US> https://www.bkprecision.com/products/multimeters/2706B-manual-ranging-tool-kit-dmm-with-temperature.html
15:49 <Ampera> I just had to cut the old plates off my new car
16:10 <Ampera> since whoever installed the front plate used tri-wing screws that were rusted cock stiff onto there
16:29 <Ampera> so after doing everything we could think of, I just used tin shears and cut it off.
17:48 <DHess_US> Yes, those can rust on if you don't use good bolts.
18:11 <Ampera> The back ones were flat heads, and were easy enough to just take out
18:29 <Ampera> either way, I'm now gonna probably replace the front plastic plate holder
18:37 <Ampera> since I think I fucked it up good
18:48 <rust_collector> what kind of car did you get?
19:33 <Ampera> A 1993 Buck Regal Custom
19:43 <Ampera> with a 3.8L V6 (170hp)
20:20 <rust_collector> hmm, a d body
21:46 <Ampera> Wikipedia page says Cadillac only
21:49 <Ampera> not Buick.
22:29 <Ampera> Mine is a W-body
23:58 <rust_collector> ok
25:53 <rust_collector> I am not that into gm products, so I am probably wrong
26:16 <Ampera> neither am I
26:30 <rust_collector> but hey, you have a car. good good
27:12 <Ampera> I got it for a really good price too
28:02 <rust_collector> and it is old enough that if it still works, it will probably keep working
28:14 <Ampera> aye
28:20 <Ampera> It's in excellent condition mechanically.
28:37 <Ampera> Some electric stuff needs some work, but it's all fairly minor interior stuff
29:11 <rust_collector> yeah. as long as it runs...
29:21 <rust_collector> well, time for my nap
29:27 <rust_collector> good night
30:52 <Ampera> night
48:24 * steve30 coffees
28:54 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @jordanyte: @eevblog @CircuitMaker I got the same one. I am looking into it with R&D. They should not be able to get any email addresses…
33:40 <Halcyon> Ampera :D
33:43 * Halcyon licks Steve
34:22 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
34:47 <Halcyon> How you doing?
35:51 <Ampera> fixing headphone cable
37:01 <Halcyon> I got you something :)
37:09 <Ampera> a new headset?
37:41 <Halcyon> https://www.eevblog.com/product/pm300/
37:49 <Halcyon> They are a neat little unit
38:25 <Ampera> Oh sweet.
38:36 <Halcyon> Heaps better than those shit Chinese ones
41:34 * steve30 nibbles Halcyon 
42:21 <Halcyon> :)
45:04 <steve30> Its forecast to go up to 30C this afternoon
45:37 <Halcyon> I'm jealous
45:48 <Halcyon> Maximum of 21 here :(
46:14 * steve30 passes halcyon some sunshine
46:19 <Halcyon> YAY!
46:33 <Halcyon> It's sunny here, gorgeous blue sky, but it's winter, so it's chilly
49:29 <Halcyon> Ampera, you like Chilli's and stuff don't you?
49:40 <Ampera> I don't mind spicy
49:49 <Ampera> sorry for not actively communicating, trying to fix my headset
50:04 <Halcyon> What's your limit in terms of hotness? Do you like it really hot, or just a little bit of spank?
50:32 <Ampera> I have no limit.
50:55 <Halcyon> I'm just putting together some things for your package, perhaps things you could also use in your smoker and for your tasty meats
52:21 <Ampera> What do you mean by in my smoker?
52:29 <Halcyon> For your smoked meats
53:12 <Ampera> What the fuck sort of bullshit is this
53:17 <Halcyon> ?
53:24 <Ampera> audio on either channel plays through both earphones, even though the wire to one isn't even connected
53:59 <Halcyon> Is one end the headphones cable a TRRS?
54:27 <Halcyon> i.e, it has 3 insulated sections instead of the normal 2 ?
54:50 <Ampera> This is the unified headset cable, 4 conductors and loose braids around the cable.
55:23 <Ampera> One conductor has no contact with its other end, and that is the conductor for one of the two headphones
55:23 <Halcyon> Yeh so if you have 4 conductors (TRRS) and you plug that into a TRS jack, you'll have that issue
55:32 <Ampera> the cable is fucked, not the jack
55:33 <Halcyon> One of them is used for a microphone I'm guessing?
01:08 <Halcyon> Ampera, do you like mustards?
01:54 <Ampera> Mostly stone grounds
02:17 <Halcyon> But in general, I'm trying to pick a sauce you would like. There is an awesome chilli, wasabi and mustard sauce
02:25 <Halcyon> I put it on toasty sammiches with cheese and ham
02:39 <Halcyon> Or would you prefer a tomato or BBQ type sauce?
02:50 <Ampera> Surprise me
03:10 <Ampera> If you send me something, even if I don't like it, the joy is in trying new things
03:17 <Halcyon> Do you eat sandwiches generally?
03:34 <Halcyon> The mustard would also go well with sausages
03:43 <Ampera> I use mustard, Halcyon.
03:48 <Halcyon> Alrighty
03:53 <Halcyon> I'll get you that one, it's my favourite
04:19 <Ampera> going to have to do some soldering
04:36 <Halcyon> Soddering? :P
05:30 <Ampera> the thing is I actually pronounce it souldering by default
05:45 <Halcyon> It's because you know how to speak proper English
06:56 <Ampera> By my definition, the only qualifier to which someone is speaking proper English is the common and correct use of the word, "cunt".
07:08 <Halcyon> :)
08:55 <Ampera> One thing I have learned about headphones over my years of using them, they are all inherently fragile devices
09:02 <Halcyon> Yup
10:00 <Halcyon> Although that being said, I have a pair of wooden headphones from Grain Audio that I backed on kickstarter years ago, they are still going strong. None of the padding has worn out and the cable is still good (although it's removable from the headphones so I can replace it easily).
10:33 <Ampera> Now here's the thing, I'm going to have to solder 5 wires together, but these wires are not only enamel covered, but also wound with fibers
10:44 <Ampera> so I'm going to have to burn them clean, but that's going to create soot
10:48 <Ampera> which is hard to clean, and insulating
11:02 <Halcyon> IPA should get that off
11:14 <Ampera> my thoughts exactly
12:28 <Ampera> The destruction is slightly my fault, as I had been chewing on this cable
12:34 <Ampera> but I have a great solution to prevent me from doing that
14:39 <Ampera> lead solder
15:07 <Ampera> now I do have all the tools I'd need for a house fire, lighter, highly flammable alcohol, paper towel
18:35 <Ampera> Green is last to burn
20:37 * T3sl4 thwacks Halcyon with a plum
20:38 <Ampera> mmm flammable enamel
20:43 <T3sl4> mmm, these are good plums
22:06 <Ampera> alright, that's enough fire
24:28 <Halcyon> Mmm plums
24:51 <Halcyon> Hehe
25:04 * T3sl4 fires a plum at Ampera too
32:42 <desu> https://i.imgur.com/ceDgt6m.mp4
32:44 <desu> we did it reddit
44:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @NASA_Johnson: 50 years later, Apollo Flight Director Gene Kranz returns to his console, which has been restored to appear exactly as it…
45:07 <T3sl4> receiving real signals?
46:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @Chris_Gammell: Woof, they still haven't fixed it. Go to the user pages on https://t.co/1JwWCU7rfc. Look at the source. Search for the "…
48:20 <desu> yes
48:22 <desu> from the SDR
48:25 <desu> rtl-sdr usb
48:45 <desu> dunno
48:54 <desu> im just happy to make something that works
51:54 <T3sl4> cool
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54:06 <Halcyon> Stupid NBN
15:17 * steve30 hugs T3sl4 
15:33 <T3sl4> *hugs*
16:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/594367536796139540/IMG_20190628_232406.jpg
18:02 <steve30> I've just gone tired. I should probably have another coffee
21:09 <Ampera> That is what over an hour of desperation looks like
21:11 <Ampera> but it /works/
21:19 <Ampera> oh thank fuck it works
09:54 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/x3i5c0mcp4731.png i feel that
10:11 * T3sl4 was a Lego kid and was also aware of the blasphemy that was Duplo
15:47 <Ampera> alright now that's insulting, I'm watching a youtube video of weird old toy commercials
15:55 <Ampera> and one of the "weird old toys" was an inchworm
15:57 <Ampera> I had one of those
18:28 <T3sl4> Ampera, https://i.redd.it/520q302b14731.jpg
19:07 <Ampera> you trying to convince me that suicide is painless?
20:12 <T3sl4> correct
20:20 <T3sl4> once you die, you can no longer have bread
20:41 <DHess_US> But that means no beer!
29:49 <T3sl4> Ampera can't have beer yet, so that's no different
46:59 <steve30> I'm just having a play with my Mum's blood pressure monitor
21:33 <steve30> I should go out somewhere.
21:47 <Ampera> go to the buffet
22:04 <Halcyon> Hah I love your solution Ampera
22:13 <Ampera> Halcyon, it works okay-ish
22:16 <Halcyon> Professional ;-)
22:28 <Ampera> If I bump it, the audio can cut out, but not as bad as it was
22:34 <Ampera> where I had to bump it to get it to work
22:50 <Ampera> how do, Halcyon?
22:56 <Halcyon> I'm good, I just had a nap
23:07 <Halcyon> I was planning to do housework today, but meh
23:14 <Ampera> alright, now what you were on about while I was struggling with my headphones
23:25 <Halcyon> Chilli
23:45 <Ampera> Yeah I'm good for most sauces, the main things I don't like are vegetables. I'm not a fan of chocolate, but I can eat it.
23:52 <Ampera> I have no known food allergens
23:55 <Halcyon> All good
24:03 <Halcyon> I ordered you some spice rubs for various things
24:09 <Ampera> if you send something to me, so long as it's not poisonous or vegetal, I'll probably eat it
24:32 <Ampera> also thanks for getting the meter, it looks miles better than what I have
25:23 <steve30> Halcyon, I'm wearing cycling shorts if you want to come and ogle.
25:26 <Ampera> I presume Dave is the person who provided it, so pass my thanks onto him.
25:30 <Halcyon> Yes please Steve :)
25:35 <Halcyon> Yup
25:38 <Ampera> oh no, I'll be able to see Halcyon's boner from here
25:49 <Halcyon> You wish Ampera
26:22 <Ampera> not really
27:07 <Halcyon> ;)
50:22 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/6AZi3q8.jpg
50:52 <Ampera> penis
52:19 <desu> the chad transphobe
52:23 <desu> the virgin tranny
53:41 <Ampera> desu: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/594407228828549121/6509e537a5c36e8f37cb0c19b8b23b65.png
54:02 <desu> https://i.redd.it/kdhduwwkn5g01.jpg
54:05 <desu> best virgin vs chad
54:31 <desu> lol no
54:33 <desu> it wasn't bait
55:05 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/594407597403144196/47942450.png
55:56 <desu> It's the truth
56:13 <Ampera> what is
57:08 <desu> openbsd > freebsd
57:30 <Ampera> penis > vagina
57:30 <desu> and non-trannies > trannies
57:46 <Ampera> are you
57:55 <Ampera> /transphobic?/
58:03 <desu> very much so
58:09 <desu> i hate the lgbtq with a passion
58:14 <Ampera> wow same
58:14 <desu> lgbtq = let god burn them quickly
58:42 <Ampera> thank fuck I'm not gay nor a tranny
58:46 <Ampera> those cunts are going to hell
59:17 <desu> oh i thought you where
59:19 <Halcyon> Why do you hate LQBTIQ+ desu?
59:30 <Ampera> because they're fucking alphabet soup
59:30 <desu> i just don't like them
59:42 <Ampera> and alphabet soup is for NERDS
00:13 <Halcyon> What? The people themselves?
00:19 <Ampera> yes, I hate people
00:23 <Ampera> people are fucking shit
00:34 <Ampera> especially germans, they fuck shit all the time
00:40 <desu> yeah and lgbtq people are always 10x worse than normal people
00:50 <T3sl4> desu: we don't tolerate that behavior here
00:56 <Ampera> I do
01:03 <T3sl4> Halcyon, uh, we don't, right? Ampera aside
01:14 <Halcyon> Heh
01:20 <desu> ampera said a lot and had op
01:22 <Halcyon> Desu: Explain how?
01:25 <desu> so i just kinda assumed it's ok
01:27 <desu> i will stop
01:30 <Ampera> it's fine
01:53 * Halcyon noms on semi-dried tomatos
02:00 <Ampera> if we are to wish others to provide us with the right to express ourselves the way we see fit, it should only be fair to provide the same benefit, so long as that balance is met with peaceful equality.
02:52 <Ampera> anyways, time to brush my hair, rock back and forth, and try to laugh highly
03:05 <Ampera> it's how I keep in touch with satan
03:12 <Halcyon> Don't lie Ampera, you don't brush your hair
03:19 <Ampera> no I don't, I comb it
03:23 <Ampera> with a comb
03:32 <desu> so gay
03:45 <Ampera> DID YOU JUST SAY THE G WORD?
03:55 <Halcyon> I love gay guys
03:58 <Ampera> I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW THAT MEANS HAPPY, AND WE DON'T LIKE "HAPPY" IN THIS SERVER
04:01 <Halcyon> No so keen on angry lesbians
04:19 <Ampera> I hate everyone with a default and equal passion
04:44 <Ampera> I expect nothing out of most, and get even less than I feared/
05:17 <desu> so
05:21 <desu> is saying nigger still ok?
05:29 <Ampera> so long as it's not racist
05:35 <Halcyon> As long as you're a nigger
05:39 <desu> good
05:44 <Halcyon> It's like gays can use the word "faggot"
05:45 <Ampera> ree, is that you?
05:51 <desu> who?
06:04 <Ampera> hoosier boy, get out of the meth fields
06:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm not gay, and I use the word faggot all the time
06:17 <Ampera> what does that make me
06:27 <Halcyon> You're just Ampera
06:33 <Halcyon> You have a category all to yourself
06:35 <Ampera> oh fuck, that's even worse than being gay
06:47 <desu> LGBTQA
06:56 <Halcyon> Why do you think we hate you so much? ;-)
06:59 <Halcyon> Bahaha!
07:04 <Ampera> Q: gay? A: no way!
07:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, is that why you're asking me what sort of spicy I like, so you can give me something that will blow out my mouth?
08:33 <Ampera> I'll take your lack of a response as an affirmative.
08:52 <Ampera> desu, why do you not like happy people? they just want to make you happy, haha clown style!
09:07 <desu> there's enough clowning going on in this world already
09:14 <desu> NO
09:14 <desu> MORE
09:42 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/578459604594196493/D6qnmgbX4AAMq-S.png
10:08 <desu> yes
10:11 <Ampera> but the gays, they just want to circus you in the ass, why is that so bad?
11:56 <desu> because it says in the BIBLE homos are no good man
12:11 <Ampera> so? the bible isn't even real
12:13 <Ampera> it doesn't exist
12:35 <Halcyon> Ampera: No, I wasn't mean
12:50 <Ampera> lol
12:56 <desu> Heh i'm just kidding
13:02 <desu> but i generally do not like the homo
13:02 <Halcyon> I didn't send you stupidly hot, like a novelty chilli
13:12 <Ampera> desu, so you're kidding, but not kidding?
13:19 <desu> about the bible thing yeah
13:39 <Ampera> what's a bible?
13:49 <desu> the thing about the homos being bad
14:09 <Ampera> why are they bad?
14:15 <Ampera> what did you do to them to make them like that?
14:26 <desu> why does it matter?
14:32 <desu> let's no longer discuss this
14:42 <Ampera> because since it's something you did, if we know what it is, maybe we can cure it
14:45 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
14:49 <Halcyon> Desu: You realise that quite a few of us in here are gay?
15:03 <desu> gross
15:06 <Ampera> ^
15:19 <Halcyon> You're entitled to think that
15:31 <T3sl4> oh hey, a massive (and by that i mean about 1.5cm long, not really massive) moth just crashed into my lamp
15:36 <Halcyon> Meanwhile the bird is flicking seeds onto my floor
15:40 <Ampera> fucking millenials and their entitlements
15:49 <Ampera> flick the bird to the bird, Halcyon
15:59 <Halcyon> Yeh he was being a butthole earlier
16:08 <T3sl4> your butthole
16:17 <Ampera> *you're butthole
16:21 <Halcyon> *rolls eyes*
16:30 <Ampera> hey halcyon
16:32 <Ampera> butthole
16:35 <Halcyon> Mmm ?
16:58 <T3sl4> I AM CORNHOLIO!
17:50 * Ampera is residing on a spiritual uttering
18:16 <T3sl4> surfing, you might say?
18:30 <Ampera> no living
18:33 <Ampera> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
19:01 <Ampera> Halcyon is not an American, he can never understand what I am on about
20:14 <Halcyon> Nope
21:01 <Ampera> my benadryl really wants me to sleep
21:13 <Halcyon> Then go sleep
22:31 <Ampera> yeah I'll do that
22:32 <Ampera> night
22:38 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera nite
22:38 <Ampera> desu, you're gay
23:17 <Halcyon> Oh nice, is he cute? ;-)
23:24 <Ampera> *she
23:27 <Ampera> no, she's an angry lesbian
23:29 <T3sl4> they
23:31 <Halcyon> Oh no!
23:46 <Ampera> fuck does benadryl work sometimes
23:59 <Ampera> anyways, night
39:36 <desu> no
39:39 <desu> i am not
55:17 <desu> you're gay.
21:14 <Halcyon> :P
24:09 <Halcyon> DogWomble, you around?
24:19 <DogWomble> i am indeed
24:21 <Halcyon> Yo
24:23 <Halcyon> What's doing?
24:31 <DogWomble> got home from work not too long ago
24:37 <Halcyon> Ah nice
24:48 <DogWomble> overtime shift installing some PC's
40:56 <damian> sup nerds
41:13 <Halcyon> Hey Damo
41:26 <Halcyon> Like you can talk cunt
47:38 * steve30 returns
48:10 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
52:28 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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52:56 <steve30> I feel better now I've been outside
53:02 <Halcyon> :)
53:17 <DHess_US> Go outside here and you risk drowning in sweat.
59:33 * steve30 pounces onto Halcyon's lap
01:43 <Halcyon> YAY!
03:27 * T3sl4 pets steve30
04:29 <steve30> *purr*
04:55 <Halcyon> This is how threesomes happen
05:10 <T3sl4> you wish
05:17 <Halcyon> Neh
05:25 <Halcyon> Been there, done that, not my sort of thing
06:02 * steve30 wonders who Halcyon has had a threesome with
06:04 <steve30> :p
06:09 <Halcyon> No one you know :P
06:14 <Halcyon> Plus I was 19 or something
06:19 <Halcyon> Long time ago :)
11:32 <desu> is steve30 your homo lover?
12:16 <steve30> I think Halcyon fancies everyone in here :p
14:14 <Halcyon> :P
14:19 <Halcyon> No, just you Steve
14:31 <Halcyon> desu: We live in two different countries
14:34 <Halcyon> (Unfortunately)
14:39 <steve30> aww :)
15:10 <Halcyon> Speaking of homo: https://youtu.be/gGJ2EHDT6Ps?t=200
15:54 <desu> not as good as the other song by him
16:04 <T3sl4> i thought gays were illegal in russia
16:10 <Halcyon> 7th Element?
16:13 <desu> yeah
16:19 <Halcyon> Hahah
16:24 <desu> it's pretty good
16:26 <steve30> Gays are perfectly legal in Russia, just not liked.
16:32 <desu> as it should be
16:35 <Halcyon> I'm not sure "good" is the word :P
16:54 <Halcyon> I like gays :)
16:57 <Halcyon> ;-)
17:04 <T3sl4> "like"
17:11 <Halcyon> lick, like, same thing
17:16 <desu> gross
17:29 <desu> see this is why people dislike the lgbtq
17:32 <steve30> I think Halcyon and desu need to hook up
17:53 <Halcyon> Most people in AU like or are indifferent to LGBTQ Desu
17:53 <T3sl4> desu sounds super tsundere
18:07 <Halcyon> I suspect it's the same in the non-redneck parts of US and the UK
18:32 <Halcyon> It's almost to the point I don't feel special anymore
18:35 <Halcyon> Which is boring
19:09 <desu> they are only indifferent because they watch too much jew media promoting it
19:24 <Halcyon> WTF is Jew Media?
19:25 <T3sl4> i think it's funny how many politicians in DC are overtly or functionally anti-gay, but also how much equality stuff plasters the city
19:29 <desu> like you know
19:32 <desu> tv
19:37 <Halcyon> I don't even have an antenna
19:39 <desu> news
19:50 <Halcyon> TV is shit, I don't know many people who watch it anymore
20:00 <Halcyon> I haven't watched television in about 15 years
20:01 <desu> the big media is constantly talking about how great the lgbtq are
20:10 <desu> i havn't either
20:21 <T3sl4> desu, do you like Alex Jones?
20:29 <desu> no
20:39 <Halcyon> Other than the "in your face" perception in the media, what don't you like about us desu? I'm honestly curious
20:40 <desu> he's a fraud
21:22 <desu> i dunno lol
21:36 <Halcyon> Then I don't get it?
22:05 <desu> ok well i talked to a lot of trans people when i was younger, and it may have lead me to believe i was something i am not.
22:34 <Halcyon> Right, so in other words at some point you questioned your own gender/sexuality whatever?
23:05 <Halcyon> I get some people are overt about it all and like to push their lives onto others, but most of us aren't like that.
23:38 <Halcyon> I don't think it's a reason to hate a whole group. If you met me, you wouldn't know I slept with guys. I don't exactly flounce around broadcasting it
26:23 <desu> Well really though, that's my own fault because for some reason i got the idea that i was transgender and sought out such people for advice or whatever
26:37 <Halcyon> But you're not?
26:44 <desu> but uh i think its kinda fucked up to promote something like that as an ok thing to someone that's like 12
26:47 <desu> i dunno what i am
26:50 <desu> i am me
26:55 <Halcyon> You sound just like Ampera
29:09 <desu> lol
29:29 <Halcyon> Damn I love printers with duplexers
29:37 <Halcyon> I have to print this 450 page manual
29:42 <Halcyon> Fuck using a whole ream of paper
30:10 <steve30> I've always fancied getting a duplexer for my printer. I normally duplex manually.
30:34 <Halcyon> My printers quite old, I bought it about 7 years ago
30:39 <Halcyon> But it has a built-in duplexer
30:43 <desu> i'd want a printer, but i would just print too much stuff
30:49 <desu> and have papers laying around everywhere
31:01 <steve30> My inkjet has a built in duplexer, but my laser needs an external one
31:14 <T3sl4> my laser does it automatically, and not too slowly
31:19 <steve30> Halcyon, how are you getting on with the dot matrix?
31:23 <Halcyon> Love it :)
31:32 <Halcyon> Trying to find ribbon for it is proving difficult
31:43 <Halcyon> I've found a place in the UK that stocks it, so I'll have to order some
32:04 <steve30> Did you contact SMCO like I suggested?
32:12 <Halcyon> Yep, that's the company
32:16 <Halcyon> They were really good actually.
32:55 <T3sl4> last inkjet i had, the duplex roller was incredibly slow
32:58 <Halcyon> I'll order some soon. shipping is expensive though
34:45 <steve30> maybe i'll buy some ink cartridges for my inkjet printer. Haven't had any for a while
35:45 <Halcyon> Mines only a little Brother HL-2250DN desktop printer, but it does a decent job. 26 ppm single-sided, 5 ppm duplex.
36:59 * steve30 pets his LaserJet 4M Plus
37:07 <Halcyon> Nice :)
37:12 <Halcyon> I have fond memories of those printers
37:32 <Halcyon> We used to change the LCD display to say all sorts of things at my previous job
37:55 <T3sl4> "out of mayonnaise"
37:59 <Halcyon> Hahaha
38:03 <Halcyon> Yup :P
38:33 <steve30> "Insert 5 pence"
39:04 <T3sl4> i don't think mike pence likes insertions.
39:12 <Halcyon> :P
39:40 <desu> mike pence is good
40:09 <T3sl4> if by good you mean bad
40:41 <desu> nah i kinda hope he becomes president instead of trump
40:43 <desu> that'd be fun
41:18 <T3sl4> i mean, that's only gonna happen if trump gets assassinated
41:23 <T3sl4> which... *shrug*
41:49 <desu> Wouldn't it happen if he was impeached as well?
41:55 <desu> or would there be another election then
42:34 <T3sl4> that too, assuming they impeach /and/ follow through with removal
42:48 <desu> Well yeah i don't like trump that much either
42:53 <desu> he's too friendly with hillary
43:06 <desu> but at least he's not a murderer and some sort of satanist like hillary
43:10 <T3sl4> if by "friendly" you mean "pussy grabby"
43:20 <desu> israel
43:21 <desu> *
05:37 <desu> good night
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30:44 <coppice_> T3sl4: when pussy grabby looks better than the alternative, you really need to reflect on the nature of the alternative
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58:36 <randoh> o/
59:29 <Halcyon> Howdy
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02:07 <randoh> Are there perhaps any nrf24l01 specialists here I could poke around in the brains of for a bit?
03:12 <Halcyon> T3sl4's my go-to for nerd stuff
06:04 <randoh> When you want the reciever side to recieve, you have to hold the CE pin of the module high for some time... Usually with a delay... Does that pin have to be toggled, or can I just leave it high? I want to remove the delay that I currently have for toggling it, as I need the AVR to do as fast as possible DMX output as well, and currently, dmx is sto
06:04 <randoh> pped because of that delay....
06:29 <randoh> https://github.com/randohinn/AVR/tree/master/DMXWireless-Reciever
08:43 <Halcyon> I'm sure someone will respond to you. Might need to wait a while with the time zone differences
12:41 <coppice_> DISCLAIMER: Please note that the value of your question may go down as well as up.
20:07 <randoh> :P
20:22 <Halcyon> I'm guessing T3sl4 is in bed
20:32 <Halcyon> Which is weird because he always seems to be here
20:45 <coppice_> sleep is for the weak
20:54 <coppice_> or is it week?
21:00 <Halcyon> I'm not sure which part of 'Merica he's from
21:09 <coppice_> the land
21:27 <Halcyon> It's anywhere from 0030 to 0630
22:37 <Halcyon> Actually, sleep sounds good, I might go lay in bed and watch the Youtubes
22:56 <steve30> mmm, bed
23:30 <Halcyon> Join me Steve? :P
24:25 * steve30 curls up on halcyon's duvet
25:10 <Halcyon> Hehe dogs are cute when they sleep on beds. They circle circle circle then all of a sudden *comfy*
25:54 <coppice_> our dog doesn't want to sleep on our beds any more. I don't know why. we always welcomed her there
26:15 <Halcyon> Did she fall off it or something?
27:05 <coppice_> not to my knowledge. our beds a quite high, so I guess falling off might have upset her if she did that when we were not around
27:27 <Halcyon> Might be it
27:35 <Halcyon> Especially if she is a small dog
27:54 <coppice_> the children have kind size beds, so there is plenty of room for the dog to share the bed
28:03 <coppice_> king size
28:24 <steve30> I should go and have a shower. That will make me nice and cosy
28:30 <Halcyon> Yes, but coppice_, you know that no matter how big the bed, it's still not big enough, even for a small dog
28:56 <Halcyon> My parents have two small dogs and they cuddle up for warmth, eventually you end up right on the edge
28:59 <Halcyon> Enjoy Steve :)
29:54 <coppice_> Halcyon: our dog is big and usually lay orthogonal to the person when she did like sleeping on our beds
30:34 <Halcyon> Heh
30:40 <Halcyon> What sort of dog?
31:18 <coppice_> a cross between a german shepherd, an akita, and a lot of fur
31:25 <Halcyon> Nawww :)
01:35 <steve30> on the subject of dogs, a mobile dog groomer has pulled up next door
19:47 <coppice_> how many people got out? One, or a whole grooming gang?
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