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04:59 <Mekkis> Steven, what's your opinion on the subject of wealth?
07:48 <Steven> its complicated and i dont wish to get into it.
08:28 <Steven> because it will very likely be a mirror of the one going on in the forums
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27:17 <Steven> alright goin to make some breakfast
27:19 <Steven> see ya guys later
28:25 <Lintor> whats the DC to craft mater work/ mithril armor again?
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41:21 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sun 21st 10am (We Be Goblins,Avatar) | WotW: Thurs 25th 1pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
41:37 <Avatar> Steven / Brunius / Ulzef: are you guys good with that time
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03:06 <Brunius|M> Didn't Steven say he couldn't make it then
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14:02 <Steven1> the entirety of next week is busy for me, Wednesday we have pfs, thursday we have RotRL and character auditing for Eyes, firday eyes part 1 saturday eyes part 2 sunday eyes part 3 and 4
14:26 <Steven1> well second half of the week
14:26 <Steven1> you know what i mean
14:48 <Steven1> and this sunday is pfs@flgs
15:01 <Steven1> so the only days 'off' i have are monday and tuesday
15:03 <Goya> Holy cow.. 
16:37 <Steven1> indeed goya
35:23 <Avatar> okay
36:01 Avatar has changed the topic to: PFS: Sun 21st 10am (We Be Goblins,Avatar) / Thurs 25th 1pm (tier 5-9,Mekkis) | WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
39:26 <Steven1> you guys can play a session without me
41:42 <Avatar> how could we
46:49 <Falang> rebel's ransom..
47:05 <Falang> hrm. shit. do I gotta pregen that?!  *cries*
47:38 <Avatar> yeah if you want in
51:35 <Falang> sounds fun, I guess I will.
52:12 <Avatar> I'll be running more weekend games from now on
52:23 <Avatar> got a bit burnt out after conquest
57:30 <Falang> Avatar: That reminds me, so this we be goblins we don't bring a character for right?
57:40 <Wrothmonk>  You do not
58:49 <Falang> Good, sounds intriguing..
59:00 <Wrothmonk> It is really fun :D
16:13 <Falang> too bad, I was kinda looking forward to seeing you guys munchkin up a pack of goblins
16:45 <Wrothmonk> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunt
16:47 <Wrothmonk> XD
17:10 <Wrothmonk> ki throws and drop kicking a bunch of goblins would be fun
19:11 <Wrothmonk> However the basis is (as suggested by the title) that the players are goblins
21:43 <Wrothmonk> which is why you cant bring your own characters since goblins are illegal for PFS play unless given by some chronicle sheet 
21:57 <Wrothmonk> which I have no clue where that comes from if any scenario 
23:23 <Falang> Yeah, that's what I figured. that does sound like a blast
23:35 <Wrothmonk> litterally in some cases :P
23:57 <Falang> haha, oh that's right! PF goblins use bombs and fire or something?  I didn't read that..
24:07 <Falang> pun not intended then... this once.
24:13 <Wrothmonk> They dont specifically
24:26 <Wrothmonk> However I have played the module before and there are some explosives
25:35 <Wrothmonk> I dont believe I can tall you any more with ought spoiling it 
25:38 <Wrothmonk> tell*
25:48 <Falang> oh don't, that's more than enough. 
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26:57 <Wrothmonk> Hello
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41:01 <Steven1> I think it would be fun to let people build their own goblin characters for a we be goblins
41:09 <Avatar> Falang: you won't worry about not bringing your character to this one
41:13 <Wrothmonk> I agree
41:31 <Avatar> the less you have spoiled up until the game starts, the better
41:38 <Falang> indeed.
41:51 <Falang> yes, making one woudld be fun, but I imagine the pregens will have some variety
41:54 <Avatar> even knowing you aren't bringing your character is too much, but let's be a little practical
43:21 <Steven1> sun dried tomato and basil pork loin for dinner tonight, its in the oven cookin up
43:23 <Steven1> woot woot
43:39 <Goya> Nice
43:47 <Wrothmonk> Damn that sounds good.
43:59 <Wrothmonk> To bad I already had pizza :(
48:10 <Avatar> I'm having steak
48:11 <Avatar> right now
48:21 <Avatar> I haven't had steak in about a year or so
48:36 <Avatar> too many salads
49:05 <Steven1> i dont really like steak.
50:14 <Falang> hard to get good steak here, but it's just as damn hard to get a good salad. thais don't appreicate a salad, they have their own salads.. not the same thing by far.
50:31 <Falang> thai beef is like chewing on a thick rubber band
50:52 <Goya> Bleah. 
50:59 <Avatar> oh you would like my steak
51:04 <Falang> and they always overcook meat, chicken wings are almost incinerated by US standards.
51:14 <Wrothmonk> oh god dont remind me
51:16 <Avatar> are you guys all in america
51:32 <Avatar> falang you are WA aren't you
51:40 <Goya> Falang is in Thailand I think.  I'm in WA. ;) 
52:32 <Falang> yep, I'm in Pattaya, thailand.
52:57 <Goya> Near a 7-11 without nachos... 
52:58 <Avatar> nice
53:06 <Avatar> un-nice re nachos
53:28 <Wrothmonk> A 7-11 withought nachos?
54:10 <Falang> yep.
54:22 <Falang> *a* 7-11?  Thiland is almost made of 7-11's.
54:24 <Wrothmonk> how is that possible...
55:03 <Falang> You almost can't drive a block without passing a 7-11 in some places.
55:20 <Wrothmonk> By that logic america is made of starbucks 
55:22 <Falang> they replaced all that falang food with things like pork buns, etc.
55:26 <Brunius> What? 7-11s sell nachos?
55:48 <Wrothmonk> or mcdonalds...
56:05 <niconorsk> 7-11s sell whatever people will buy in that country
56:54 <Goya> They probably sell guns and ammo in Texas. 
57:12 <Goya> And nachos. 
57:16 <Avatar> and nachos
57:34 <Hydrazine> beef jerky.
57:37 <Brunius> By that logic the 7-11 near my school should sell chinese groceries
57:42 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: how come you and stiletto pulled out of tomorrow's game
57:50 <Falang> I think half of the urban population of thailand lives out of 7-11's actually.
57:51 <niconorsk> I remember being at an intersection in Bangkok and seeing a 7/11 at 3 of the 4 corners of said intersection
58:00 <Falang> I mean like eats 2-3 meals a day out of them.
58:20 <Wrothmonk> I'm not sure about stiletto but stuff came up for me, which by the way is now null
58:23 <Goya> Wow... That's a lot..
58:40 <Avatar> what's null
58:45 <Falang> I may be exaggerating but still, it's a lot of people, very high volume of traffic walking into them constantly.
58:47 <Wrothmonk> the stuff that came up for me
58:48 <Goya> 'null and void' 
59:07 <Avatar> join up again then !
59:15 <Wrothmonk> but for some reason the site wont let me re-join
59:21 <Falang> lots of things you can order at the counter, sliced hotdogs, etc.. people do lots of lunches
59:23 <Steven1> yeah goya and i are in Washington
59:46 <Avatar> is WA short for washington as well as western australia
59:59 <Steven1> no he magically moved to Washington
00:07 <Steven1> cause im tried of being alone in this chat!
00:12 <Avatar> good 1
00:16 <Steven1> totaly
00:24 <Steven1> also, i thought goya was in washington
00:28 <Wrothmonk> washington and western australlia share a quantum link and are the same area :P
00:29 <Goya> I am
00:41 <Avatar> so WA is short for washington ?
00:48 <Wrothmonk> in america yes
00:51 <Goya> Yeah - that's the state abbreviation
00:53 <Falang> the state abbreviation
00:56 <Avatar> better watch myself saying that
01:40 <Steven1> can smell the pork....
01:45 <Steven1> stomach grumbling
01:47 <Goya> Doh... 
02:20 <Wrothmonk> Ya know one time in downtown chicago I saw a 4 way intersection with 3 dunkin donuts... and a police station
02:32 <Wrothmonk> no joke
02:33 <Avatar> clever marketing
02:38 <Wrothmonk> Very
02:39 <Goya> Heh.  Indeed. 
03:14 <Wrothmonk> I think there was also a intersection of starbucks down the road, although those are fairly common
04:30 <Steven1> HA HA AHA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA
04:43 <Steven1> my dad, just called me asking if jesse can spend the night
04:49 <Steven1> i told him no
04:51 <Wrothmonk> ?
04:53 <Wrothmonk> who
05:03 <Steven1> silly bastard
05:25 <Steven1> told him to send the boy to his fathers house, cause im not dealin with him
05:35 <Steven1> aparantly jesse REALLY doesnt want to go
06:31 <Goya> He probably knows you're cooking tasty pork. 
09:05 <Steven1> well the shit head aint gettin any
09:21 <Steven1> and i feel like its time for some gaming
10:24 <Steven1> avatar your chronicle sheet is still trying to be sent to you on skype
16:42 <Steven1> so whos going to gm tonight?
17:00 <Steven1> nose goes
17:03 * Steven1 puts his finger on his nose
23:40 <Goya> Doesn't look like there are any takers. ;) 
30:05 <Steven1> hey all i know is i dont have to GM tonight and im happy about htat
33:02 <Falang> It's going to be a while before I'm up to that
35:48 <Steven1> I now have yet another character idea that i must make
35:57 <Wrothmonk> which is?
36:31 <Steven1> im making another inquisitor
53:20 <Wrothmonk> what is the concept?
53:35 <Avatar> are inquisitors that good
53:41 <Avatar> I am trying to build one but don't know where to start
54:24 <Wrothmonk> stats?
54:27 <Wrothmonk> :P
54:54 <Avatar> I don't even know what they're good at though
55:00 <Avatar> I am building it to learn the class
56:26 <Wrothmonk> looks like it could be just about anything you want it to be judging by the judgement
56:28 <Wrothmonk> s
56:30 <Wrothmonk> wait...
56:38 <Wrothmonk> no pun intended!
58:21 <Wrothmonk> looks like they are melee based.
59:34 <Steven1> actually most inquisitors are ranged based
59:55 <Steven1> but there is no rule that says you have to go that way.  I have a melee/utility Inquisitor
00:13 <Wrothmonk> oh I didnt spot that they had spells...
00:20 <Steven1> AC in the 30s, can do around 70-180dpr
00:29 <Wrothmonk> level?
00:35 <Steven1> level 13
00:59 <Wrothmonk> yeah looks liek they could go both ways.
01:02 <Wrothmonk> like*
03:54 <Wrothmonk> looking at it, the inquisitor seems to be like a paladin with the judgement stuff
04:27 <Steven1> the inquisitor is a martial cleric
04:59 <Goya> Seems like a cleric/paladin cross - but branded as a 'heretic' hunter. 
05:57 <Wrothmonk> question, are paladin's smite stat based or paladin level based?
06:03 <Wrothmonk> I cant remember off the top of my head
07:18 <Wrothmonk> hrm yeah its level based...
16:42 <Falang> I don't know anything about the PF religions and gods, I'm just going to stay away from it for now.
16:52 <Wrothmonk> check the cleric page in the CRB
16:57 <Wrothmonk> it has the majority
22:46 <Falang> I got so used to the FR gods, prolly do my head in.
22:56 <Wrothmonk> FR?
23:01 <Falang> Forgotten Realms
23:13 <Steven1> stattin up my new character
23:29 <Steven1> 3 classes by level 9, no prestige classes
23:43 <Wrothmonk> what are the 3 classes?
24:01 <Steven1> barbarian, cavalier, inquisitor
25:40 <Goya> A Barbarian Cavalier Inquisitor? I thought it was hard enough rolling a daft ranger. 
26:03 <Avatar> sounds like it's probably broken
26:10 <Steven1> Its broken as fuck...
26:33 <Avatar> then why are you making it
27:11 <Steven1> because.... sometimes you just have to do something so crazy.
27:27 <Steven1> best part is i have no stat above a 16 and no stat below a 10
29:17 <Wrothmonk> ok so what is the concept? I have no clue how those classes fit together for anything
29:36 <Steven1> i'll share it once i finish building it
29:40 <Wrothmonk> alright
30:15 <Steven1> its viable at any level, but really takes off at level 9
48:35 <Falang> It's a shame you can't make a barbarian/monk, I guess somebody figured out how dangerous that would be.
48:47 <Steven1> you can make a barb/monk
48:56 <Wrothmonk> Why cant you?
49:07 <Steven1> A barbarian who becomes lawful loses the ability to rage and cannot gain more levels as a barbarian. She retains all other benefits of the class.
49:11 <Falang> barbs can't be lawful, monks can't be chaotic..
49:19 <Wrothmonk> why not neutral?
49:31 <Steven1> so barb+martial artist
49:34 <Wrothmonk> or are monks "any lawful"
49:36 <Steven1> its pretty awesome
49:57 <Falang> I had considered a Barbarian/Witch, maybe 15/5 split.
50:07 <Falang> enough to get flying and a few decent hexes
50:20 <Falang> a flying barbarian sounds good.
50:31 <Wrothmonk> oh god that sounds scary
50:40 <Falang> indeed! mauhahahhahaa!
51:06 <Wrothmonk> a flying brute weilding a battleaxe frothing at the mouth /flying/ at you
51:15 <Wrothmonk> ignore the first flying
51:25 <Steven1> OH MY GOD! I GET A DOMAIN!
51:30 <Steven1> shit just got crazy
51:41 <Wrothmonk> why?
51:51 <Falang> [Let the Munchkining begin]
51:51 <Wrothmonk> what do domains do?
51:59 <Falang> domains, spheres of priestly casting
52:07 <Wrothmonk> I caught that
52:14 <Wrothmonk> mechanically; what do they do
52:21 <Falang> allow you to cast spells from that sphere
52:40 <Wrothmonk> ah
53:00 <Falang> not sure what he's specifically on about, but that's what it sounds like to me.
53:15 <Falang> give him a minute to stop drooling and laughing like a madman
53:29 <Wrothmonk> I know the drill
53:30 <Steven1> they also can grant bonus feats
53:32 <Steven1> movement bonuses
53:41 <Steven1> or nifty abilities
54:21 <Wrothmonk> dwarf barbarian inquisitor with movement bonuses...
54:29 <Wrothmonk> Now that could do some damage
55:12 <Wrothmonk> oh yeah, what race is your character going to be anyway?
55:49 <Wrothmonk> or have you not figured that out yet?
56:01 <Steven1> mine? half orc
56:10 <Wrothmonk> ah
23:27 <Brunius> Steven: What's a social security number used for
25:03 <Falang> those are tools of satan.
27:26 <Goya> SSN is used for everything. 
28:48 <Goya> Everything from a credit card application to a tax return. 
29:15 <Falang> what he said, + satan.
29:30 <Goya> *nods*  It's a barcode - without the barcode. 
29:59 <Hydrazine> Its also the serial number in the name rank and serial number military are required to tell if captured.
30:37 <Falang> is it?  I didn't realize that was the same number.
31:23 <Falang> always wondered about that, if they made you memorize some long serial number just to identify you to the military
31:34 <Falang> (which wouldn't surprise me considering how the military works)
32:56 <Hydrazine> Pfft.
33:05 <Hydrazine> Passwords in the service are a joke.
33:36 <Hydrazine> The password rules for military systems are so complex people regularly forget them and have to do resets.
34:11 <Hydrazine> Except the complexity includes stuff like "can't share 70% of the any of the last 6 passwords"
35:49 <Falang> considering how aggressive the chinese are about their hacking our military industrial contractors and whatnot I can't say I blame them.
36:50 <Goya> I'm surprised they don't enforce 2-factor authentication. 
36:54 <Hydrazine> I think its counterproductive when the password system is so difficult a fair number of the users resort to writing it down somewhere.
37:02 <Goya> (e.g. token or keyfob and password)
37:16 <Hydrazine> Goya: It is for some things.
38:34 <Hydrazine> The flat earth society's wiki is easily 20 minutes of entertainment.
39:01 <Falang> lol
39:02 <Falang> I'm sure.
39:03 <Hydrazine> I particularly like this entry.   http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/wiki/index.php?title=Occam%27s_Razor
40:31 <Falang> ...
40:37 <Falang> way too much lead in their diets.
41:27 <Hydrazine> Space travel is unbelievable! NASA designed and invented never before seen technology from scratch and shoot rockets into space? Impossible!
41:32 <Hydrazine> ...lets talk about it on THE INTERNET.
41:40 <Falang> *snicker*
42:06 <Wrothmonk> I simultaneously hate and love those kinds of articles. 
42:07 <Falang> I mean come on, like we can't stand outside in florida and watch a damn rocket go up?
42:16 <Hydrazine> I think the net is pretty damn miraculous. I can take a video of my dog being a retard and send it to people in Thailand. In SECONDS.
42:43 <Wrothmonk> Hate since it reminds how much capacity for stupidity the human race has, and love it since its people being stupid
42:47 <Falang> It is, the greatest invention in the history of mankind... all for watching cat videos.
42:58 <Hydrazine> And porn.
43:04 <Hydrazine> And porn with cats.
43:10 <Wrothmonk> "What would be the hardest thing to explain to somebody from 100 years ago?"
43:21 <Hydrazine> memes?
43:22 <Falang> I've seen a site with that. amatuer porn with cats in the background
43:24 <Hydrazine> cell phones?
43:42 <Hydrazine> I've seen that! It was hilarious.
43:45 <Brunius> I have in my pocket a device that can access the entire knowledge of the human race in seconds. I use it to get into arguments with complete strangers
43:50 <Hydrazine> gangnam style?
43:54 <Wrothmonk> yes
43:56 <Falang> http://indifferent-cats-in-amateur-porn.tumblr.com/
44:10 <Wrothmonk> Brunius typed it faster than me
44:22 <Brunius> Good old r/askreddit
44:50 <Wrothmonk> I saw it in a screencap of /b/
45:11 <Falang> ahhhh.. gotta love /b/
47:04 <Hydrazine> This just further convinces me that I could not have sex in the same room as a pet.
53:15 <Steven1> back
53:24 <Steven1> i have pork, brussel sprouts and some rice pilaf stuff
53:51 <Wrothmonk> should have gotten liver instead of pork
54:28 <Hydrazine> Eh. I rather the pork.
54:32 <Goya> Me too. 
54:33 <Hydrazine> Damn, I want some roo..
54:46 <Wrothmonk> As would I, but i hate the rest so it makes more sense :P
55:16 <Steven1> yu dont like brussel sprouts?
55:42 <Steven1> let me guess somebody made them with butter and vinegar
55:50 <Wrothmonk> How did you...
55:59 <Steven1> well mine arent like that
56:07 <Steven1> instead of butter, i use bacon grease
56:10 <Hydrazine> I've seldom had good brussel sprouts. Its just not a part of the cuisine I grew up with.
56:28 <Steven1> pepper, salt, paparika, and like a table spoon of vinegar.
56:41 <Steven1> yeah... thats right, fancy and shit
57:07 <Goya> Salt, pepper, and olive oil - baked for a bit - makes a decent sprout. Outer leaves get a bit black - so peel them off. ;) 
58:04 <Steven1> pork is star of the meal though
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09:34 <Goya> Besides teaching the fine morals of racism and claiming that god made you do it, D&D also is an entryway to suck god-fearing Christians into wicked, sinful cults and witchcraft. Countless souls have been lost due to suicide and fighting over characters (No! I'm playing the dwarf priestess of Pelor, you BITCH, not you!) and many more unreported mysterious deaths occur each year due to the mystical disturbances created by this tool of the Devil! It is also fill
09:59 <Goya> Gotta love Encyclopedia Dramatica - if you can survive the popups and NSFW ads. 
10:09 <Wrothmonk> I believe we have seen that before
10:29 <Wrothmonk> although not from the same source
10:49 <Goya> I figured as much - I hadn't actually stumbled across it myself yet.  
11:21 <Goya> Nice - I managed to bungle a simple copy and paste... *sighs* 
14:10 <Ashar> actually I think you exceeded the message size limit
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14:22 <Goya> I double-pasted
41:55 <Steven1> the character is nearly finished
48:04 <Falang> Are the only pregens available for all of PFS the 4 you can download from the site?  they don't have one for every class at least?
48:36 <Wrothmonk> there are more than 4
48:58 <Wrothmonk> actually I think there is more than four for even level 1...
50:06 <Wrothmonk> Core Rulebook Classes
50:06 <Wrothmonk> Pregens by Level (2.7MB zip/pdf)
50:06 <Wrothmonk> Pregens by Class (3.3MB zip/pdf)
50:08 <Wrothmonk> Ultimate Combat Classes
50:10 <Wrothmonk> Pregens by Level (2.5MB zip/pdf)
50:12 <Wrothmonk> Pregens by Class (2.1MB zip/pdf)
50:14 <Falang> I didn't go digging myself but when I played that pregen fighter..
50:14 <Wrothmonk> Do you mean these "four"?
50:15 <Falang> ah.
50:37 <Falang> url me?
50:45 <Wrothmonk> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/playerResources
51:23 <Steven1> 116HP Charge-Pouncing Raging Mount w/ DR5/Evil 10acid-cold-Eletricity SR12 Can Smite Evil, and attacks for +19/17/17 for 1d8+18/1d6+16/1d6+16
51:36 <Wrothmonk> ?
51:54 <Steven1> sounds legit right?
52:04 <Wrothmonk> depends, what level?
52:40 <Falang> that's still only another 3 classes. there's no witch, no inquisitor, etc..
52:47 <Steven1> oh... and cant provoke AoOs from movement
52:52 <Wrothmonk> yeah they dont have ultimate magic
53:45 <Wrothmonk> or advanced players guide
54:45 <Steven1> well there we go, all finished up
54:45 <Falang> I don't suppose there's any rules for what is and what is not suitable for a pregen character?
55:00 <Brunius> A pregen uses those, or not at all
55:05 <Wrothmonk> You cant create pregens
55:19 <Steven1> yes, in the guide to organized play.  Its something everyone should read.
55:20 <Brunius> The whole point of a pregen is that they're PRE GENerated
55:22 <Falang> well that's my point, the DM should be able to, but only if they had an idea of what guidelines there were.
56:15 <Falang> if PF won't make them, and a GM can't either, that's most of the new classes unavailable. just seems kinda slack considering how easy it would be to make up a few characters.
56:15 <Steven1> for PFS the only GMs that matter when it comes to creating anything are Mike Moreland, John Compton, and Mike Brock.
56:29 <Brunius> There were APG pregens at one point, I think
56:34 <Brunius> Dunno about UM
56:47 <Brunius> Either way, you don't want to chuck complicated systems on a new player
56:57 <Brunius> Such as those introduced by an oracle or alchemist
57:02 <Brunius> or even worse, a mgus
57:03 <Brunius> magus even
57:14 <Wrothmonk> those concentration calculations
57:19 * Wrothmonk shudder
57:45 <Steven1> Pregens are considered to be something you hand to new players or to someone looking to complete a table, and should be replaced with a player built character as soon as possible.
59:40 <Steven1> they are built with... hmmm... half-assery care
06:54 <Falang> maybe so, but I can't pull a 7th level character out of my ass
07:06 <Falang> kinda hard to get up that fast in a couple of weeks ;)
07:17 <Falang> anybody up for GM'ing a game?! I need to powerlevel!
09:11 <Steven1> nope, i already did nose goes and im the only one who put my finger on my nose
09:15 <Steven1> so its one of you guys
09:33 <Avatar> I'm not even game to play tonight
09:34 <Wrothmonk> I cant stay up until 8 am
09:43 * Wrothmonk touches nose
09:44 <Wrothmonk> for good mesure
10:04 <Steven1> im pretty much in the same camp avatar
10:21 <Steven1> my head is aching, so im out of the mood to play
10:32 <Wrothmonk> I'm just reading up on the whole axing faction missions debate and first steps being replaced.
10:41 <Wrothmonk> then heading to bed
11:20 <Steven1> yeah i spent this afternoon reading them while i was waiting for my dads wife at the doctors office
12:02 <Avatar> I will try and make up this damn inquisitor though
12:34 <Wrothmonk> All I've seen is how they are axing the missions, not why
14:31 <Steven1> they are taking away first steps missions because some of the factions will no longer be available for play.
14:41 <Steven1> Avatar, if you have any questions im more than willing to assist you.
14:55 <Wrothmonk> I meant more on the faction missions, not first steps
15:06 <Wrothmonk> which I cant seem to find the post on...
15:17 <Avatar> do inquisitors get 1 or 2 domains
15:18 <Steven1> because they have a lot of complaints on how it slows down immersion
15:20 <Avatar> the rulebook isn't clear
15:23 <Steven1> they get 1 domain
15:31 <Steven1> and recieve none of the domain spells
15:31 <Avatar> it suggests 1 at first and then says 'each domain'
15:40 <Avatar> just the powers?
15:47 <Steven1> just the powers
16:09 <Avatar> I want to go half orc and do that acute sight trick
16:26 <Wrothmonk> hrm thats kinda odd
16:44 <Brunius> SB 2M-103U
16:50 <Brunius> Zero fucks given as to aerodynamics
16:55 <Wrothmonk> since the main argument I'm seeing /against/ axing faction missions is that it gives more emmersion
16:55 <Steven1> half orcs make pretty good inquisitors
17:24 <Brunius> Wouldn't you have even more immersion if you didn't have a set faction mission, but you had to think up your own, almost?
17:51 <Avatar> if you could just think up your own, my faction mission would be to buy a ration
17:55 <Steven1> it connects people to faction heads, but many times people spend a great deal of time bothering the GM trying to ferrat out their misions
18:17 <Wrothmonk> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pon5?In-Defense-of-Faction-Missions
18:42 <Steven1> All of season 4 has had faction mission alternatives.
18:43 <Wrothmonk> To be honest I'm on the fence myself
19:09 <Steven1> if you dont want to do your faction mission, you could instead try to think up a way to further your factions goals
19:13 <Wrothmonk> since I dont enjoy having to ask for the theoretical tapestry with a bear on it for every room.
19:34 <Wrothmonk> but I would also be horrible at figuring out a way to do the "secret" mission
19:59 <Steven1> thats another thing they have recieved complaints about.
20:19 <Wrothmonk> figuring out the faction mission even though it is presented?
20:30 <Steven1> Random skill checks to complete faction missions, or secret faction missions.
20:40 * Wrothmonk groans
20:42 <Wrothmonk> that too
20:44 <Steven1> Hi im a barbarian whos 7 foot tall.
20:53 <Steven1> weighs 300lbs of solid muscle
20:57 <Wrothmonk> Alrgith
20:58 <Brunius> Sweet, go chat up the princess
21:09 <Brunius> You'll need a high diplo and sense motive
21:11 <Brunius> gogogo
21:17 <Steven1> exactly brunius
21:58 <Avatar> 16 12 14 10 14 8
22:01 <Avatar> does that look okay
22:07 <Steven1> so they want to make it so people dont auto fail their missions because they cant make a Kn History check of DC 25... when they are a Barbarian with amnesia
22:18 <Avatar> for an inquisitor
22:24 <Steven1> hmmmm
22:38 <Wrothmonk> casting stat?
22:40 <Steven1> looks fine stat wise
22:45 <Steven1> wisdom is inquis casting stat
22:45 <Avatar> wisdom
22:51 <Wrothmonk> looks decent
22:56 <Steven1> archtype or base?
23:04 <Avatar> I don't know any of the archetypes
23:15 * Wrothmonk flys to d20
23:16 <Steven1> oh boy you missin out.
23:23 <Steven1> go check on d20 and look at them.
23:29 <Avatar> any in particular
23:54 <Steven1> Preacher gives up teamwork feats, but can force the GM to make rerolls, or can reroll an attack roll, or add +4 to AC
24:08 <Steven1> its what my Gunslinger inquisitor is, so he can get around those misfires
24:18 <Wrothmonk> oh wow... sin eater
24:32 <Steven1> spellbreaker lets you have better saves vs a school of magic
24:35 <Steven1> that increases over time
24:58 <Wrothmonk> Two things I see there, soul eater (anime) and the eat corpse ability from WoW's undead
26:29 <Wrothmonk> Inquisitions, the vows of domains
26:49 <Steven1> yeah soem of the inquisitions are amazing
27:03 <Steven1> and are actually legal
27:24 <Steven1> like conversion, you use your wisdom insteaed of your cha for bluff intimidat and diplo
27:43 <Steven1> and can dominate person at 8th level 1/day
27:44 <Avatar> it's hard replacing an ability like solo tactics
27:46 <Wrothmonk> ohgoddamnit
27:53 <Steven1> dc 10+1/2lvl+wis mod
28:03 <Avatar> I did it on my archaeologist with archaeologist's luck vs inspire courage
28:09 <Avatar> where only you get the bonus and your allies don't
28:17 <Wrothmonk> I just /know/ theres a female inquisitor with the vampire hunter archetype
28:19 <Avatar> everyone suffers = you suffer
28:43 <Steven1> i agree, but sometimes it fits a character concept, like ausk gave up teamwork to save peoples asses
28:52 <Steven1> and as a captain thats his job, keep people safe
29:13 <Avatar> seems like an oxymoron
30:11 <Steven1> well, i could have better rage or something, or i can make the GM reroll that nat 20
30:33 <Steven1> the nat 20 seemed like a better choice.
31:16 <Steven1> Anyways, there are archetypes that are pretty awesome
31:19 <Steven1> like iconoclast
31:39 <Steven1> +2 bonus on saving throws from any magic item, wands, scrolls, wonderous items
31:42 <Steven1> all that shit
32:03 <Steven1> and dispelling attack is amazing
32:24 <Steven1> you hit somebody and get to have a free dispel magic
33:03 <Steven1> and you get to keep your solo tactics
34:38 <Avatar> I'll go preacher I think
35:05 <Steven1> its a pretty awesome archetype imo
36:10 <Steven1> because you can still take teamwork feats, but then they act just like regular teamwork feats
36:38 <Steven1> or you can increase your preacher ability
37:43 <Steven1> so who ya gonna pick as your diety?
40:43 <Avatar> I dunno
40:49 <Avatar> some dood
41:49 <Steven1> well it shapes your character a great deal
42:07 <Wrothmonk> or the other way around sometimes
43:41 <Steven1> persistance inquisition is pretty sweet since it grants you step up as a bonus feat
43:45 <Steven1> at first level
44:13 <Steven1> and at 6th level you can smack yourself for 1d6/2levels and remove some status conditions
44:37 <Steven1> like blinded, confused, dazzled, deafened, frightened, nauseated, shaken, sickened, or staggard
44:48 <Steven1> and by smack yourself i mean heal
45:10 <Steven1> so at 6th 3d6 healing
45:20 <Steven1> and if you are a fey foundling, thats 3d6+6
45:24 <Avatar> maybe travel
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54:37 <Avatar> what's a good profession
55:02 <Steven1> Sailor
55:11 <Avatar> fuck off
55:14 <Avatar> half orc sailor?
55:19 <Avatar> I'd be the laughing stock of the community
58:57 <Steven1> its one of the better profession
00:27 <Avatar> it is better if you are a munchkin
00:47 <Avatar> I'd be a laughing stock
00:56 <Steven1> well if you dont want suggestions dont ask questions
01:10 <Avatar> I want good suggestions
01:14 <Avatar> not ones that make me a laughing stock
01:56 <Steven1> Sailor is a good Suggestion
02:02 <Avatar> maybe I will be a respectable woodcutter
02:19 <Avatar> bit boring but in the absence of any suggestions that dont' make me a laughing stock to the community
02:22 <Avatar> !
02:41 <Steven1> how about Profession: Hemroid.
02:55 <Hydrazine> comedian.
03:06 <Avatar> that's perform (comedy) I think
03:20 <Avatar> I only know that because I had a bard who took it
03:26 <Avatar> that died a very deeper darkness death
04:25 <Hydrazine> midwife.
04:41 <Avatar> a half orc midwife
04:50 <Avatar> why are you all trying to make me a laughing stock
05:03 <Hydrazine> You think half orcs don't have babies?
05:05 <Avatar> how about something more respectable !
05:34 <Brunius> That would actually be hilarious
05:38 <Ulzef> what are you making a character for avatar?
05:43 <Hydrazine> Midwives are very respected. A few hundred years ago, childbirth killed more women than anything else.
05:47 <Avatar> it's a level 1 remake
05:51 <Hydrazine> A good midwife is worth her weight in babies.
05:53 <Avatar> my ninja wasn't working out
06:22 <Ulzef> assamir paladin/nature oracle into signefer?
06:35 <Avatar> ??
06:39 <Hydrazine> And if shes fat, thats like.. 30-something babies.
06:51 <Avatar> I will be a half orc engineer
06:53 <Avatar> that is quite respectable
07:03 <Hydrazine> Now thats just silly.
07:17 <Hydrazine> Half orcs don't design things.
07:24 <Avatar> do I need a rank in engineering
07:27 <Avatar> because that is not a class skill
07:54 <Avatar> I will be a teacher
08:29 <Hydrazine> Sure, teach...
08:32 <Hydrazine> people how to have babies.
08:37 <Ulzef> what class you looking at?
08:42 <Avatar> inquisitor
08:52 <Avatar> the character is a half orc who talks like arnie
09:18 <Hydrazine> Don't all half orcs?
09:26 <Avatar> wait, that makes him a cop
09:37 <Avatar> sorry, "guard"
09:40 <Ulzef> half orc prosititue claistra inq
09:42 <Hydrazine> So you should run a day care?
10:03 <Hydrazine> Wait, half-orc cop teacher?
10:05 <Avatar> here we go, soldier
10:16 <Hydrazine> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099938/
10:21 <Steven1> Profession Constable
10:39 <Avatar> the problem is that is what he actually does anyway
12:40 <Avatar> maybe I can get away with using profession engineer instead of knowledge engineering
13:24 <Ulzef> isnt there trait that gives you knowledge as a class skill?
13:40 <Hydrazine> Maybe I should make a wizard with profession fighter and use that instead of actually having a BAB.
13:42 <Avatar> why would I burn a trait on it when I am looking for a profession and it's right there
13:55 <Avatar> it's in place of another skill check smartass
14:03 <Avatar> it happens all the time
14:13 <Avatar> like craft alchemy instead of spellcraft
14:31 <Steven1> profession scribe
14:49 <Ulzef> i dont know i would expect someone that is a engeener to have knowledge in engeering
15:03 <Hydrazine> So I can take profession acrobat on a cleric and use my wisdom to make acrobatics rolls?
15:04 <Ulzef> thats like a sailor with no swim
15:04 <Steven1> who makes religious books for his religion
15:21 <Avatar> knowledge engineering is just knowing the algorithms
15:29 <Avatar> I'm the engineering visionary
15:35 <Avatar> I'll create a revolution
15:44 <Ulzef> yeah and someone who makes that there job should know about it
15:55 <Avatar> you wouldn't understand
16:08 <Ulzef> i would expect a profession IT guy to have knowledge computers
16:26 <Hydrazine> Not if hes just going to make it all up as he goes along.
18:15 <Falang> you'd get paid for being an engineer, you'd just suck at it.
18:43 <Avatar> yeah says you
20:55 <Falang> re: the prof: engineer sans kn: engineering
25:08 <Steven1> think im going to finish up my tea and then go to sleep
25:20 <Steven1> and its gonna be a bad ass sleep where i dont have any migraines.
25:31 <Falang> I'd imagine that's common sense, it's pretty clear from the description of Profession that it's mostly about making a daily wage, though both of them do say that you can make checks v. DC for answers on things, I guess you'd just stay there would be a limit to what a professional engineer might know, since he doesn't have vast knowledge of the subject, just enough to get by day to day at work.. 
25:31 <Falang> *shrug*
25:57 <Steven1> and no little shit bags calling me in the middle of the night waking me up
26:05 <Falang> can I come over and sing loud music?
27:47 <Avatar> profession engineer with few ranks in knowledge engineer would just mean he know stuff works but not why it works
27:48 <Falang> ah, actually.. yeah. it says "you can also answer questions about your profession." about being an engineer, not necessarily engineering knowledge regarding collapsing towers if 4 people stand on it, etc.
28:25 <Falang> "a Profession skill represents an aptitude in a vocation requiring a broader range of less specific knowledge"
28:50 <Falang> so they would overlap some, one is just much deeper than the other.
34:40 <Steven1> welp.... im goin to sleep for a bit.
35:01 <Falang> g'night steven
42:51 <Avatar> there's an inquisition that lets you use wis instead of cha for bluff/diplomacy/intimidate
42:57 <Avatar> that's incredible
43:05 <Avatar> they were the only reasons I have any cha at all
45:41 <Falang> I think cha is pretty useful, you saw my bluff and intimidation rolls!
46:19 <Falang> the ones that weren't utter failures that is. :)
48:03 <Avatar> yeah cha is useful when you don't have an inquisition that doesn't require it
48:43 <Falang> +12 ain't bad for a 1st level character.
49:57 <Avatar> this breaks my point buy plan a bit though
51:27 <Falang> Hmm.. I'm rather looking forward to trying out this fighter
58:34 <Avatar> are repeating xbows any good
58:44 <Avatar> inquisitors are actually proficient with them
59:07 <Falang> seems unlikely to me, hard to justify the expense if you're not focusing on using it all the time
59:13 <Falang> I'm betting those are pricy
59:19 <Falang> pricey
00:31 <Avatar> 250-400gp 
01:06 <Falang> I wouldn't think you'd get a chance to even use the repeating function once battle started, and that -4 penalty is a bitch.
01:23 <Falang> I know there's a feat to ignore that, but still.
03:09 <Avatar> yeah all good points
03:15 <Avatar> my dex isn't high
03:27 <Avatar> might buy something cheaper for now
07:53 <Steven1> abundant amunition is pretty awesome with a repeating xbow
08:21 <Avatar> are there more deities than what is listed in the core rulebook
08:29 <Steven1> because you can load the cart of bolts with adamantine/coldiron/silver bolts that have a dose of poison on them
08:38 <Steven1> and it generates bolts of the same type.
08:54 <Avatar> all these favoured weapons suck
09:07 <Avatar> erastil's longbow seems like the best choice
09:10 <Steven1> so, you could have adamantine bolts w/ giant spider venon poison on them
09:30 <Steven1> and you can fire them
09:32 <Avatar> you can choose a deity one alignment step away can't oyu
09:38 <Steven1> yes you can avatar
09:57 <Avatar> erastil is LG and I wanted to be CN
09:59 <Avatar> :|
10:36 <Avatar> maybe a whip will be enough of a ranged weapon
10:57 <Avatar> what do you reckon steven
11:07 <Steven1> well as an orc you are already proficient with falchions and greataxes, which are decent weapons
11:14 <Avatar> yeah that's great for melee
11:18 <Steven1> a whip is a terrible idea
11:27 <Avatar> what do you reckon for ranged
11:36 <Avatar> standard light xbow
11:52 <Avatar> I feel like I am selling myself short
12:09 <Steven1> why dont you like the repeating crossbow
12:34 <Avatar> inq doesn't get 2 attacks until level 8
13:06 <Avatar> the repeating xbow would be great if I am building a ranged build, but I am going melee
13:09 <Steven1> yeah, so thats 5 rounds that you can shoot without sinking an action into reloading
13:25 <Avatar> yeah that's true
14:21 <Steven1> its a free action to reload the repeating crossbow for 5 rounds... its an amazing weapon for someone who doesnt want to sink feats into ranged
18:06 <Steven1> and you can have an unseen servent reload for you.
18:59 <Avatar> man this is tough
19:06 <Avatar> I haven't created a character in a while
19:09 <Avatar> I feel bad for newbies
39:21 <Avatar> is dumping int a bad idea
39:24 <Avatar> I've never done it before
41:25 <Falang> Steven, thought you were going to sleep?
43:01 <niconorsk> I don't thinking its any worse than any other form of dumping
44:11 <niconorsk> especially on an inquisitor that has loads of skillpoints anyways
44:53 <Avatar> it's occurred to me that a character with 2 stats in 16 requires a shitload of dumping
44:57 <Avatar> so I probably won't do that
46:10 <Avatar> actually, is that true
46:15 <niconorsk> You don't need to dump anything. Just go 2 16s and 4 10s. :)
46:29 <Avatar> 16 12 16 8 12 8 is valid isn't it
46:37 <niconorsk> yup
46:50 <niconorsk> before racials I assume
46:53 <Avatar> yeah
47:03 <Avatar> 12 wis is too low though
47:11 <Avatar> I was going for a higher con rather than a higher wis
47:19 <Avatar> I have no idea how much inquisitors rely on wisdom
48:12 <niconorsk> Well, same as clerics, spell DCs/spells per day/other stuff they add wisdom to
50:54 <Avatar> more than that I think
51:16 <niconorsk> 12 wis will be a problem for sure at level 7 when you get 3rd level spell slots
55:26 <niconorsk> Well, ok, in other stuff there is: domain power uses per day, initiative mod, knowledge to identify.  Thats the ones I can see
58:33 <Avatar> initiative mod, that's important
02:56 <Steven1> kn skills are important because bane works off of them.
03:12 <Steven1> you have to be able to identify the monster to designate your bane type
04:23 <niconorsk> Hmm, good point
05:23 <niconorsk> Which makes dumping int a worse idea for sure
06:34 <Avatar> http://www.pointerpointer.com/
09:38 <Steven1> there are ways to get around having low kn skills though
09:46 <Steven1> theres a feat
10:09 <Avatar> are the intimidate feats really worth it
10:11 <Avatar> they look a bit shit
11:11 * Steven1 shrugs
12:53 <Steven1> depends on if you like scaring people
14:58 <Steven1> blistering invective is a pretty cool spell thats based off of intimidate
17:02 <Avatar> judgement surge looks good
22:25 <Steven1> i dunno, theres only a few judgements that really benefit from the surge fully
25:35 <Steven1> i think instant judgment would be more useful
30:14 <Avatar> that might be right actualy
30:30 <Avatar> 1/day or 2/day is limiting isn't it
34:34 <Avatar> wait, that requires second judgement
34:43 <Avatar> I can't get that till level 8
34:47 <Avatar> of course it's better
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54:26 <Falang> gr
54:44 <Avatar> how do people deal with 20ft speeds
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57:58 <Steven1> easy
58:03 <Steven1> by having haste
58:10 <Avatar> at level 1?
59:50 <Steven1> yup
00:06 <Avatar> cmon
02:32 <Avatar> mithril breastplate
03:32 <Avatar> better put that on the to-get list
03:50 <Avatar> when I can scrounge up 4500 or so gp
04:12 <Avatar> I don't know about this repeating xbow
04:35 <Avatar> 400gp is significant
04:43 <Avatar> for something I might not ever use, or use much
05:20 <Steven1> better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it
05:48 <Avatar> I might just go a light xbow for 35gp and take a deity that gives me a whip proficiency
05:57 <Avatar> that seems smarter
06:00 <Steven1> dont forget to get it comforted, so that you can sleep in the armor
06:09 <Steven1> if thats what you want to call it go ahead.
06:12 <Avatar> is that a +bonus ?
06:19 <Steven1> nope, flat 5k
06:25 <Avatar> no that is too much
06:30 <Avatar> I will be fatigued if required
06:45 <Steven1> you really have no idea how to play a melee character do you?
06:45 <Avatar> 5k jesus
06:50 <Avatar> no this is my first one
07:06 <Steven1> you REALLY dont want to be fatigued as a melee character
07:06 <Avatar> well second, my paladin is still waiting to be played after we be goblins jumps him to level 2
07:13 <Avatar> <?fatigued
07:13 <diebot> A fatigued character can neither run nor charge and takes a 2 penalty to Strength and Dexterity. Doing anything that would normally cause fatigue causes the fatigued character to become exhausted. After 8 hours of complete rest, fatigued characters are no longer fatigued.
07:27 <Avatar> that is acceptable
07:32 <Steven1> lol
07:38 <Steven1> you are going to be so hosed.
07:43 <Avatar> well we'll see
08:13 <Steven1> and if you think thats expensive wait till you hear my next suggestion
09:03 <Steven1> make sure you get determination on the armor as well if you plan on being in melee combat often
13:25 <Brunius> I should probably get fatigued...
13:31 <Brunius> uh, comfort
15:05 <Avatar> have you ever needed it
15:49 <Steven1> Ausk has
17:06 <Avatar> has Derau
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20:37 <Brunius> I should probably get it for the president
21:00 <Nornok> Correct me if I'm wrong but you should be able to sleep without penalty in mithral medium armor
21:26 <Steven1> yup
21:49 <Steven1> the nice thing is that comfort treats you as always having endure elements
21:56 <Steven1> and its always clean
22:13 <Steven1> even after getting splattered with blood head to toe
23:46 <Avatar> that is kind of rare though, really
24:06 <Avatar> I mean people understand combat happens
24:13 <Steven1> except nobles
24:17 <Steven1> they dont understand shit
24:22 <Avatar> they are morons
24:29 <Avatar> endure elements is 25gp a pop
24:49 <Steven1> i can think of 3 scenarios where you can get negative reactions if you are dirty.
25:18 <Steven1> i mean significant negatives.
25:49 <Nornok> How do you deal with the rest of you apart from the armor being covered in blood?
26:02 <Avatar> the inner sea guide talks about more golarion deities but I can't find their favoured weapons
26:59 <Nornok> The mental image of someone just drenched in blood but his breastplate is spotless seems rather amusing
27:46 <Avatar> found them, p229
28:06 <Brunius> Are deities outside the CRB allowed?
28:09 <Avatar> equally shit favoured waepons though
28:20 <Brunius> Nornok: Full Plate ! :D
29:07 <Avatar> yeah they are
29:15 <Nornok> Seems easier to just wash yourself after battle to be honest
29:17 <Avatar> even the demigods are
29:43 <Nornok> You don't have to use your deity's favored weapon you know
29:45 <Avatar> all similar shitty weapons though
29:52 <Avatar> yeah but I am looking for something good
30:11 <Avatar> the whip ones would be good if I was going for a whip build
30:38 <Avatar> scythe isn't bad
31:28 <Avatar> !roll 4#2d4+6
31:28 <dicebot> Avatar, 2d4+6: [2d4=2,1] 9, [2d4=1,3] 10, [2d4=2,4] 12, [2d4=3,3] 12
31:46 <Avatar> maybe I should get a scythe instead of a falchion
33:48 <Nornok> Worshipping evil dieties then?
34:04 <Avatar> loosely
34:30 <Steven1> but falchions have that crit range
34:53 <Avatar> someone did the math on crit ranges
34:59 <Avatar> determining best to worst 
35:00 <Ashar> I can't understand why people would go with black powder and gunslingers or firearms at all. that's 10gp per SHOT.
35:01 <Avatar> any idea where that link is
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35:19 <Avatar> Falang: touch attacks
35:31 <Avatar> it's actually not that much 
35:35 <Falang> is that what firearms do?  hmm..
35:38 <Avatar> gunsmithing feat makes it 90% cheaper
35:45 <Steven1> its actually at most 6g per shot if you are using alchemical carts
35:49 <Avatar> so, 1gp per shot
35:55 <Avatar> and later 6gp per shot
35:57 <Falang> ahhh..  I was just seeing the price in Inner Sea world guide
35:58 <Avatar> which is peanuts
36:07 <Falang> even 6gp sounds pricey.
36:12 <Avatar> even special material catridges aren't much
36:20 <Falang> that'll eat into your gold every mission though.. 
36:33 <Avatar> you fire shots less than you think
36:40 <Falang> depends on the adventure
36:44 <Avatar> it works out to be about 15 shots per scenario
36:55 <Falang> still, ranged touch attack is pretty nice
37:07 <Avatar> overpoweringly so
38:25 <Nornok> And its not like other classes don't have costs either.  Melee guys spend more money on healing themselves, and casters will more often than not be using up scrolls and the like
39:12 <Falang> I never really planned on any scrolls, up to level 2 and I haven't even used one or bought one, or a potion.
39:39 <Avatar> yeah get out of that mindset right-quick
39:43 <Nornok> I highly recommend that you do
40:19 <Steven1> yup, Ausk has used about 13-15k in consumables and thats actually quite low
40:21 <Nornok> Having the right scroll at the righ time saves lives
40:31 <Avatar> it works like this: you will either get ouf ot that mindset
40:33 <Avatar> or you will die
40:46 <Brunius> uuum
41:15 <Falang> heh, well so far I haven't been damaged much, and I have infernal healing. I was planning on buying *a* potion to heal myself, i'm not gonna go crazy on scrolls though
41:21 <Avatar> read this: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lf1m?Painlords-What-to-Expect-at-a-PFS-Table
41:45 <Falang> I'm not finding these games to be all that difficult really, it's usually poor decisions that are causing the trouble, not the enemies..
42:07 <Steven1> told you we should have done the dalsine afair yesterday!
42:12 <Avatar> clearly
42:15 <Brunius> You think that right up until you hit an enemy with unconventional tactics
42:19 <Brunius> Then you get fucked up the ass
42:33 <Steven1> yeah there are scenarios that are just flat out rediculous
44:12 <Falang> I go for unconventional tactics with this character, I'll be ready. :)
44:30 <Avatar> which character is this?
44:31 <Falang> need to spend some of that almost 1500 gold i have stocked up..
44:31 <Steven1> you've played 3ish scenarios, with over 120 scenarios out there, you havent seen a sample size large enough to make a determination on whether they are challenging or not
44:51 <Falang> Steven: if there's that many, you have a good point
45:05 <Falang> Ashar.
45:09 <Avatar> Ashar is the next character to die methinx
45:44 <Steven1> and we havent done any season 4 yet, imagine the goblin blood dead
46:19 <Steven1> only an entire season where thats the baseline difficulty curve
46:33 <Brunius> I found season 4 quite refreshing
46:35 <Steven1> where some things are even harder than that, and theres a few things easier than that.
46:38 <Steven1> oh me too
46:47 <Avatar> you know in wrath's shadow
46:54 <Avatar> that one copped a bit of flak for being really difficult
47:00 <Falang> heheh, we'll see. I'm pretty cautious in case you didn't notice
47:01 <Avatar> but we didn't have much problem with it at low tier
47:08 <Avatar> being in-tier
47:27 <Steven1> i've had a blast, i've killed more people this season than all the other seasons combined
47:42 <Avatar> you vindictive bastard
47:54 <Falang> you can't fault the guy for enjoying his work!
47:55 <Steven1> but never in stupid ways, always in really crazy ways the designers set up for people to die
48:01 <Brunius> You realise it isn't you v players, right steven
48:18 <Avatar> why do you hate us :((((
49:00 <Steven1> no, its me vs brunius and the rest of the players get a free pass.
49:05 <Steven1> bwahahahahahaha
49:27 <Steven1> hey i've hand my share of deaths this season... one so far...
49:29 <Steven1> lol
49:34 <Steven1> okay so maybe not my fair share
49:38 <Nornok> I really don't mind dying as long as it happens in epic fun ways: bonekeep being the prime example
49:59 <Avatar> is bonekeep still running
50:08 <Avatar> I want to know about it and never plan to play it
50:20 <Steven1> yes, its running at whatever con is large enough to run it and have requested it
50:33 <Falang> I'd love to have something like Keep on the Borderlands
50:38 <Falang> or Ruins of Adventure!
50:41 <Steven1> im running it at paizocon and gencon
50:43 <Avatar> someone spoil it ofr me
51:06 <Steven1> you will recieve no information on it from me avatar, sorry
51:19 <Avatar> you will tell me everything !
51:28 <Steven1> I will tell you nothing!
53:09 <Steven1> i should be sleeping right now, but that damned phone call woke me up
53:13 <Steven1> anyways
53:28 <Falang> might as well start up a game then! ;)
53:31 <Falang> *nudge nudge wink wink*
53:43 <Avatar> there's a game in 12 hours
53:47 <Avatar> don't you need to sleep
54:24 <Falang> me?  it's only 7.
54:43 <Falang> 'sides, I was joking with him.
54:47 <Avatar> lies
54:53 <Steven1> nah its too early/late to start a game
54:53 <Falang> not enough enough people around for a game
55:14 <Falang> nor have I updated my character to 2nd level yet and done my shopping. I'd have to play my lvl1 fighter
55:25 <Falang> which I am admittedly eager to play
55:28 <Avatar> is a trait that gives you a 20% chance to avoid a critical hit/sneak attack worth it
55:56 <Steven1> i dunno, do you like getting sneak attacked/crit
56:35 <Avatar> 20% chance though
56:43 <Falang> seems pretty small
56:51 <Avatar> !rand hit hit hit hit miss
56:52 <dicebot> Avatar, random: hit
56:57 <Avatar> wasted trait
57:02 <Avatar> I still got hit
57:15 <Falang> I can tell you right now it's only going to help you out 20% of the time... does that help? ;)
57:43 <Avatar> there's no such thing as 20% of the 1 time you get critted
57:48 <Steven1> theres a helmet that basically does the same thing
57:55 <Steven1> only its automatic
57:57 <Falang> actually.. 20% of 5-10%... plus that confirm roll..
58:04 <Avatar> automatic as in no 20%?
59:03 <Steven1> automatic as in, you get crit/sneak attacked and it automatically negates it
59:05 <Steven1> once per day
59:58 <Nornok> Which is generally better excepts for the days you get crit/sneak attacked more than 5 times a day
00:20 <Steven1> like when steve is GMing rolling like a god!
00:24 <Nornok> Which sounds like a bad day
00:38 <Avatar> I think I've had that bad day once
00:48 <Avatar> not entirely sure how we made it out alive
01:19 <Steven1> i wish i rolled like i roll when i am GMing, when i am actually playing
01:24 <Steven1> i would solo scenarios
04:24 <Steven1> hmmmmm 36k for heavy fortification armor
06:07 <Steven1> nevermind, already have +3 mithril chainmail and +3 Mithril heavy shield
06:36 <Falang> at what level do you gain attribute points?
06:47 <Steven1> 4, 8, 12, 16, 20
07:48 <Falang> thanks
07:50 <Falang> hmm.
09:42 <Avatar> 19-20/x2 is AEG to 20/x3
09:42 <Avatar> 18-20/x2 is AEG to 20/x4
09:46 <Avatar> that's what I was after
10:22 <Brunius> What's AEG
10:46 <Avatar> average damage equivalent
11:45 <Avatar> that doesn't help much with my scythe vs falchion issue
12:42 <Avatar> I will probably stick with the falchion and get a whip deity
12:53 <Avatar> I don't want to have to take out my ranged weapon if I can help it
12:58 <Falang> AEG?  It was a gaming company.  well might still be one, I don't recall.
14:17 <Steven1> I am going to offer you this sincere opinion avatar, Don't go Whip, they are not a weapon thats worth using.
14:27 <Avatar> it's a secondary weapon
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14:41 <Avatar> one that works very well when you're trying to aid another
14:55 <Nornok> Would you be able to cast from a scroll while underwater?
14:55 <Falang> it's primary melee weapon though right?  you're going to go with the rep.xbow?
15:06 <Avatar> no, it's a secondary melee weapon
15:12 <Falang> Nornok, never heard of that being possible without the aid of other magic
15:12 <Avatar> the primary is the falchion
15:17 <Falang> ah. nice.
15:56 <Avatar> I think you cast from scrolls if you made them with waterproof paper
16:26 <Steven1> nornok, no, not unless you had cast a spell that made it so you had no water touching the scroll.
16:29 <Steven1> like air pocket
16:37 <Steven1> bubble or whatever its called
16:39 <Falang> yeah but you can't speak underwater.
17:17 <Falang> oh wait, you can, that's called drowning.
17:18 <Steven1> life bubble.
17:24 <Steven1> i dunno, its one of those
17:29 <Avatar> you can cast underwater I think
17:38 <Avatar> you have to make a concentration check or something
18:23 <Falang> what book is the falchion in?  can't find it..
18:52 <Nornok> Ah, found my solution, potion sponge
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19:13 <Avatar> DC 15 + spell level concentration check
19:19 <Avatar> falchion is in the core rulebook
19:38 <Steven1> oh thats a sweet piece of armor
19:42 <Falang> it IS? I must be blind..
19:43 <Steven1> Warden of the Woods
19:52 <Steven1> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-armor/specific-magic-armor/warden-of-the-woods
19:53 <Falang> d'oh.
19:55 <Avatar> martial two weapon
19:58 <Falang> it's two handed. 
20:00 <Avatar> two handed*
20:13 <Falang> er.. I'm pretty sure every falchion I've ever read of was one handed
20:20 <Falang> I didn't even look there
20:22 <Steven1> thats a falcata
21:38 <Steven1> i feel like that armor should be a damn good thing to have for any druids
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22:11 <Falang> uhh.. no.
22:30 <Falang> falcata is curved, a reverse scimitar. a falchion is a one handed sword, straight edge.
22:38 <Steven1> though if memmory serves there was a falchion at the weapons dispay on campus about a year back
22:46 <Steven1> it didnt seem overly large
22:57 <Falang> precisely. it's like a machete
23:06 <Falang> thick heavy blade
23:08 <Falang> but not long
23:22 <Steven1> well doesnt matter, falchions are two handed in pfs
23:37 <Falang> how strange. never seen a game do that, i wonder if it's a mistake.. I guess it would have to be..
23:50 <Steven1> its not a mistake
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24:18 <Falang> well it's not a 'falchion', I don't see why they'd call it that.
24:42 <Steven1> because it is a falchion, its just on golarion the falchions are bigger than they are here on earth
25:43 <Falang> Were you born in Golarion or are you reading a book? 
26:47 <Falang> anyway... not a good weapon for me if it's 2h.
27:07 <Falang> holycrap. 75gp?!
27:17 <Falang> I hope it floats in the air and talks
27:35 <Avatar> yeah the repeating crossbow was 400gp
27:55 <Falang> yeah but.. a falchion is 75gp. that's 50% more than a greatsword.
28:12 <Avatar> 2d4 damage, 19-20/x2 critical
28:18 <Avatar> get what you pay for
28:44 <Steven1> falchion is an 18-20
28:51 <Avatar> yeah 18-20
29:21 <Steven1> it is an impressive weapon, and worth every penny
29:34 <Falang> I see that, but I don't see "damage rolls" correlating with price. I'm guessing shopkeepers do business a little differently on Golarion too, rather than based on the amount of material the weapon is made of or it's weight in steel..
30:16 <Avatar> quality vs quantity
30:27 <Steven1> erry day avatar
30:47 <Avatar> what
30:59 <Falang> oh, Av, I saw there's a double crossbow, maybee that would be more suitable than a repeating one?
31:17 <Avatar> I'm proficient with a repeating crossbow, certainly not a double crossbow
31:27 <Falang> oh wait,
31:28 <Falang> nevermind
31:34 <Falang> fires them at the same time..
31:42 <Falang> with a huge attack penalty
31:54 <Avatar> Steven: do you know any good traits
32:33 <Steven1> tons of them
33:15 <Avatar> ok, go
33:26 <Steven1> nope
33:32 <Steven1> not gonna just list them off.
33:36 <Avatar> so really you don't know
34:18 <Steven1> nope, im completely ignorant of all traits.
34:59 <Avatar> it's ok if you don't know
35:00 <Avatar> there's no shame in it
35:19 <Steven1> indeed, thats why i admitted it
36:33 <Nornok> I saw a trait today that allows you to make a physical skill wisdom based
36:49 <Nornok> Seems like it could be useful for an inquisitor
37:06 <Steven1> Wisdom of the flesh or something
37:33 <Steven1> requires you to be a worshiper of irori
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38:03 <Avatar> I think I have a character with that
38:20 <Avatar> yeah, APG p333
38:28 <Steven1> you should make your character a calistrian prostitute avatar
38:45 <Avatar> I'm thinking either barrister or engineer
38:48 <Steven1> fuck em, kill em, you know whatever to get the job done.
39:10 <Avatar> you know that forum thread filled with quotes that "made the whole table laugh"
39:19 <Steven1> nope
39:28 <Avatar> I find all the ones that resort to dodgy sexual jokes really distasteful
39:34 <Nornok> Favored weapon: unarmed strike, I guess its too much to hope that gives you improved unarmed strike for free
39:44 <Avatar> it does
40:03 <Steven1> hey man, sex sells... humans really are just simple creatures.
40:29 <Avatar> the better comedy is on the ones that can stay classy
40:52 <Steven1> agreed
41:30 <Avatar> I don't think you need wisdom in the flesh when you have agile breastplate
41:52 <Avatar> usually you'd use it on acrobatics
42:08 <Steven1> agile is only for climb and jump
42:37 <Avatar> so you'd want it on escape artist, or disable device maybe
42:44 <Steven1> probably
42:53 <Avatar> my wisdom on this character is high, but it'll never be stupid-high
42:59 <Avatar> I don't think
43:17 <Avatar> I say high, but 14 isnt' really high at all
43:48 <Avatar> might just go armour expert and reactionary
43:51 <Steven1> dont really need much more if you are going to just buff yourself and wade into combat
44:07 <Steven1> whos your diety?
45:46 <Avatar> calistria
46:49 <Steven1> elf or half orc?
47:02 <Falang> I took Threatening Defender, along with combat expertise..
47:40 <Avatar> those are feats
47:45 <Falang> the trait. removes the -1 to attack when you use CE.. so you're just getting a free +1ac
47:54 <Falang> Threatening Defender is a trait
48:08 <Avatar> oh you're right
48:09 <Falang> it pairs with CE
48:21 <Falang> I know that. :)
48:29 <Steven1> Avatar, how about Birthmark? +2 vs charm and compulsion effects
48:46 <Falang> this fighter is light armor, prolly nothing more than studded leather. I want him fast and agile.
48:48 <Steven1> and serves as a divine focus so you never have to present one
49:07 <Falang> and I took History of Heresy, +1 to all saves vs. divine magic.
49:13 <Avatar> I can just present one anyway !
49:37 <Steven1> depends on how dick your GM is, i generally let it slide
50:00 <Steven1> because i dont want to bog down a game with mechanical aspects even more than it has to be
50:10 <Steven1> but i've had a GM ask me where my hole symbol was
50:22 <Avatar> I'll stick with armour expert and reactionary
50:26 <Steven1> thankfully on ausk it was a concecrated shield and weapon
50:33 <Avatar> I feel good about those choices on this character
51:00 <Steven1> you cant take both of them avatar
51:15 <Steven1> they are both from Combat Traits
51:20 <Avatar> oh really
51:35 <Avatar> shit you're right
54:12 <Avatar> warrior of old does the same as reactionary, and it's a race/elf trait
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55:17 <Steven1> whats your faction?
55:23 <Avatar> shadow lodge
55:40 <Steven1> Aid Allies
55:50 <Avatar> yeah, my other shadow lodge character has that trait
55:54 <Steven1> when you aid another action you provide +3 instead of +2
55:55 <Avatar> and it turns out there is a better version of it
56:00 <Avatar> that gives you +4 instead of +2
56:05 <Steven1> theres always a better version
56:12 <Avatar> there is not always a better version
56:17 <Avatar> but that one screwed me
56:31 <Avatar> I don't know what the better version is called
56:53 <Steven1> where is your character from?
57:34 <Avatar> brevoy
57:51 <Avatar> not terribly far from the worldwound
58:25 <Nornok> That'd be helpful, halfling racial trait
58:39 <Steven1> Swordlord's Page
58:52 <Steven1> +1 to crit confirmation
59:02 <Steven1> with an edged weapon you are proficient in
59:48 <Avatar> what book is that in, I can't find it anywhere
00:26 <Steven1> inner sea primer
00:34 <Avatar> that's the same as anatomist, except anatomist is a basic (combat) trait
00:55 <Steven1> yup, which you cant take due to one of your other traits
01:28 <Steven1> when all else fails Indomitable Faith
02:08 <Steven1> +1 will saves
02:30 <Avatar> you have me thinking now about this swordlord's page one
02:42 <Steven1> well dont forget it takes you owning the book
03:21 <Avatar> yeah I can't justify that
03:32 <Brunius> How much is the pdf
03:50 <Avatar> there was some other book I was looking into getting that was better than this one, that I haven't gotten yet
04:49 <Steven1> indomitable faith is always a good pick man
05:04 <Avatar> I have no love for anything that just gives +1 to a save
05:20 <Avatar> they dont' happen often enough for +1
05:39 <Avatar> +2 and then we would talk
05:49 <Steven1> will saves happen plenty when you're a front liner
06:01 <Avatar> I think differently
06:48 <Steven1> well out of the two of us, who has several characters that stand in melee combat
07:33 <Steven1> will saves happen a lot.
08:24 <Brunius> Uh huh
08:37 <Brunius> Wait...no they don't!
08:39 <Mekkis> yeah, but you just apply Clear Spindle Cheese and ignore it, ja?
08:49 <Brunius> Maybe I just don't matter because I'm a Paladin
09:23 <Steven1> thats only on mind effecting spells that attempt to exert control
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14:01 <Avatar> what's a good half-orc name
14:21 <Brunius> Splife
14:30 <Steven1> unholy blight, dread bolt, slow, bestow curse, Orders wrath just to name a few spells that require will saves
17:24 <Avatar> how about Pump
18:02 <Steven1> ...
18:15 <Steven1> didnt you just say you hated those jokes about sexual stuff
18:25 <Steven1> how many do you think you're going to hear off that?
19:02 <Avatar> good point
19:51 <Steven1> anyways, avatar, will saves always worth it
20:05 <Steven1> haven't you run into a bbeg that casts blasphemy yet?
20:09 <Steven1> super fun spell
20:55 <Avatar> missing by 1 on a rare roll
21:01 <Avatar> not worth burning a trait on
21:06 <Steven1> happens all the time.
21:17 <Avatar> it does not
21:21 <Steven1> it does
22:35 <Avatar> what's the name of that guy from goldeneye
22:39 <Avatar> valentin sukovski ?
22:46 * Steven1 shrugs
23:02 <Avatar> yeah
23:07 <Avatar> what is a half-orc variant of that
23:27 <Steven1> valentin dimitrovich zukovsky
23:59 <Steven1> how bout Grishenko Zukovsky
24:15 <Avatar> Valentu Zuk
25:07 <Avatar> not quite
26:05 <Avatar> half-orc names never end in any vowel except u
26:39 <Avatar> or some sort of really strong sound
26:44 <Avatar> like 'goth' or 'ug'
26:51 <Steven1> ck
27:03 <Steven1> ch
27:29 <Avatar> Valunch Zuk
28:04 <Steven1> okay lunch box
33:32 <Mekkis> Thuliana Skywatcher Avaelakumatha
34:06 <Mekkis> Thuvaal
35:36 <Mekkis> Thauok
36:00 <Mekkis> Kamevuu
36:02 <Avatar> changed my mind
36:11 <Avatar> I can't go with a repeating xbow that I'm not investing in
36:24 <Avatar> it's 35gp vs 400gp
36:28 <Avatar> that should be no contest
36:39 <Mekkis> that difference is insignificant after 2nd level
37:02 <Avatar> if it's insignificant, I'll sell the old one
37:08 <Avatar> for now it's extermely significant
37:13 <Avatar> I need to save up for better armour
37:28 <Mekkis> surely you've thrown at least one bit of credit at this character
37:55 <Avatar> I have a lot of characters to distribute credit across
39:38 <Mekkis> I just have characters who receive credit, and those who don't 
39:42 <Mekkis> not that hard
41:28 <Steven1> sleepin!
41:44 <Mekkis> 3 GLs, and about 10 warnings today
47:41 <Steven1> fuckin phone
47:57 <Steven1> stupid thing goes off everytime i get in bed
49:28 <Mekkis> If Ultra Pro was playing today, it'd have finished in the top 8
49:45 <Mekkis> that's how many GLs we gave out due to shitty ultra pro sleeves
58:11 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=730
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