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00:05 <Falang> Thanks WoTC/Hasbro/etc.
00:29 <Mekkis> Paizo doesn't make any CCGs, though...
00:34 <Falang> bah, I'm just griping, nevermind me..
00:43 <Mekkis> but I see where you're coming from
00:45 <Falang> true, they're just picking up the pieces, i'm aware of that.
02:04 <Mekkis> I like taking a concept and then building the character around it
02:21 <Mekkis> and I'll try and make the character as effective as possible within that concept
02:50 <Falang> well that's what I wanted to do, but you tell me it's not plausible and I'll die.. 
02:59 <Falang> that makes me feel like something is a little broken
03:27 <Falang> if I want to put a level of Shoe Cobbler in there I should be okay
03:36 <Falang> at least I get hitpoints and shoes.
04:16 <Mekkis> if I want to make a sneaky skilled character, I won't make a rogue
04:27 <Falang> you'd make a ninja! because they're better! ;)
04:34 <Mekkis> I'd either make a ninja, a wizard, or an archaeologist bard.
05:21 <Falang> Yeah, but that's what I mean.. you're aiming for 'better'.. I'd have to justify it to myself and my mental concept of how he'd be a damn ninja
05:23 <Mekkis> because at the end of the day, the fact that Someone decided to name a particular set of class features/progression a "rogue" doesn't mean anything to me
05:55 <Falang> why a wizard?  invisibility?
06:19 <Mekkis> and the fact that there's another set of class features/progression called a "ninja" doesn't mean it needs any of the "eastern dishonourable warrior" connotations
07:11 <Falang> I suppose, and I'm not against adding it instead if it's more suitable, I just haven't read it yet.
07:25 <Mekkis> a wizard would get skills due to high int, stealth due to the fact that he'd be small (I'd play a gnome), and the ability to cause some lovely mayhem with illusions and transmutations.
07:26 <Falang> oh I'm a dishonorable warrior, no problems there. there are no rules in battle.
08:16 <Falang> yeah, but you're being a gnome just to be small. that's what I mean.  this guy is human not for the 2 attribute points etc, (though they were nice), he's human because he's human.
08:26 <Falang> I wanted him to be human
08:30 <Mekkis> no
08:50 <Mekkis> I'm a gnome because when I think of a sneaky skilled character, I think that a gnome would fit better than a human
08:58 <Mekkis> (also, I like playing gnomes)
09:08 <Falang> ick, never played one. can't imagine why anybody would.
09:27 <Falang> but that's just sneaking. I'm not scared of a midget assassin ;)
09:49 <Mekkis> assassins don't want you to be scared of them. They just want you do die.
10:17 <Mekkis> I like their philosophy as far as adventuring goes
10:48 <Falang> haha, you got me there!
10:48 <Mekkis> "Live a long, interesting life - or die of boredom in the next decade"
11:15 <Falang> but then, an assassin nobody fears won't do well on the market
11:47 <Falang> you go to hire him and can't stop laughing
11:59 <Mekkis> that's fine - but such a character wouldn't market himself as an assassin. He'd market himself as a troubleshooter
12:26 <Falang> !class ninja
12:31 <Falang> probably too much to hope for
12:37 <Mekkis> sorry, haven't put that into diebot yet
12:42 <Mekkis> still working on it
12:49 <Falang> not a prob, what book is that in?
13:08 <Mekkis> Ultimate Combat
13:27 <Mekkis> Did you ever do any multiclassing in 2e?
13:43 <Falang> got it.
13:44 <Falang> oh sure
13:53 <Mekkis> how did it go?
13:55 <Falang> but that was.. well so long ago I can't even recall the specifics.
14:15 <Falang> *shrug* fine, I don't recall any specific snags.
14:37 <Mekkis> it was balanced differently to the way 3.5 did it...
15:41 <Mekkis> The other way I design characters is I look at prestige classes and try to find one that would be cool to play.
15:52 <Mekkis> (Like Ulzef has done with Mortok)
15:55 <Falang> honestly I like *most* of 3.5/3.75 better, but...
16:29 <Falang> actually, the most badass character I ever had in 2e was a Minotaur fighter
17:04 <Falang> forget his level.. either 9th or 11th Fighter, finished a big adventure.. and used a wish to get enough Int to switch to a wizard.
17:12 <Falang> I whupped 10x as much ass after that.
17:26 <Falang> I think it was 9F/11W
17:42 <Farang> Ah ha, I return!
18:42 <Falang> maybe he was more dual class, I forget, that would have been back in .. 96 maybe?
19:07 <Mekkis> yeah... they completely reworked XP with 3.9
19:10 <Falang> maybe not even that, could have been 94-95
19:10 <Mekkis> 3.0*
19:32 <Falang> come to think of it yes, I think it was dual classing, that's what the wish did, allowed me to dual class.
19:39 <Falang> I had a lot of Int already
19:52 <Falang> He was huge and tough and smart as hell, and nobody expected that.
20:05 <Mekkis> you must have worded it very carefully
20:32 <Falang> since I pretty much carried that whole campaign, I think I earned it ;)
20:40 <Mekkis> heh
20:51 <Mekkis> anyway, it's past midnight, so I'll be sleeping now
20:53 <Mekkis> 'night
21:06 <Falang> l8r. 
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05:13 <Mekkis> !hp 9d6m2
05:15 <diebot> Mekkis, 56
05:32 <Mekkis> !hp 9d6m3
05:34 <diebot> Mekkis, 65
06:47 <Mekkis> !feat craft staff
06:51 <diebot> Mekkis, CRAFT STAFF [Item Creation]Prereq:  Caster level 11th.  You can create magic staves.
06:51 <diebot> Benefit:  You can create any staff whose prerequisites you meet. Crafting a staff takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To craft a staff, you must use up raw materials costing half of its base price. A newly created staff has 10 charges. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information. Source: Core
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12:59 <Farang> android irc client, not too shabby
24:04 <Falang> what's the m2?
24:56 <Mekkis> per-level modifier
24:58 <Falang> come to think of it, what's !hp period
25:01 <Mekkis> if you get 1d6 per level
25:05 <Mekkis> sorry
25:33 <Falang> ??!hp
25:35 <Mekkis> for example, if you're playing a 2nd level wizard with 14 con, you'll want 2d6m2 hp
25:42 <Falang> so much for that :)
25:57 <Falang> ah. isn't that easier to do with just +2?
26:07 <Mekkis> no, because +2 means a straight +2
26:08 <Falang> or +4 in this case
26:20 <Mekkis> you can type 2d6+4 and get the same result
26:49 <Falang> wait, you can't say that. that's my point!
26:55 <Mekkis> you can
26:59 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6+4
27:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 14
27:15 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6m2
27:17 <diebot> Mekkis, 14
27:17 <Falang> I know that, I'm saying you can just roll 2d6+4, so why have a !hp m2 thing at all
27:54 <Falang> so you're agreeing with me ;)
28:01 <Mekkis> because
28:26 <Falang> you're bored?
28:44 <Mekkis> if you're trying to work out the HP for a wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP...
29:15 <Mekkis> it's better to type !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2 than it is to work out
29:22 <Mekkis> ummm
29:42 <Mekkis> !hp 6d6+18+1d8+3+1d8+2+3d6+6
29:43 <diebot> Mekkis, 77
29:50 <Mekkis> !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2
29:52 <diebot> Mekkis, 77
31:33 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the give HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2.
31:35 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the give HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. defined as ??!hp
32:14 <Brunius|M> Give HD?
32:25 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2.
32:26 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. defined as ??!hp
32:59 <Hydrazine> Can diebot do Bru's homework?
32:59 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3.
33:00 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3. defined as ??!hp
33:12 <Mekkis> probably
33:41 <Mekkis> !item caster's shield
33:44 <diebot> Mekkis, CASTER'S SHIELD [moderate abjuration] CL:6 shield 3153gp, 5lb
33:44 <diebot> This +1 light wooden shield has a leather strip on the back on which a spellcaster can scribe a single spell as on a scroll. A spell so scribed requires half the normal cost in raw materials. The strip cannot accommodate spells of higher than 3rd level. The strip is reusable. A random caster's shield has a 50% chance of having a single medium
33:45 <diebot> scroll spell on it. The spell is divine (01-80 on d%) or arcane (81-100). A caster's shield has a 5% arcane spell failure chance. The price of the shield is modified by the value of the scroll spell if one is currently scribed. Source: Ultimate Equipment
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35:52 <Falang> you should put a more complicated example so they see how it can be used. like your own test numbers.
36:51 <Hydrazine> Whats the command for diebot to solve for X?
37:03 <Mekkis> !define global add !hp:  A wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP would use !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2.
37:04 <diebot> Mekkis, ??!hp updated.
37:08 <Mekkis> ?!hp
37:10 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3.A wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP would use !hp
37:10 <diebot> 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2.
37:36 <Mekkis> wow
37:48 <Mekkis> there's a spell called &Named Bullet, Greater
38:01 <diebot> NAMED BULLET, GREATER divination ([]) inquisitor 6, ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 standard action Range: touch one piece of ammunition or one thrown weapon Comp: V, S, M/DF (an item from the selected creature or creature type) Duration: 10 minutes/level or until discharged Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless,
38:01 <diebot> object)
38:01 <diebot> This spell functions like named bullet, except it deals 2 extra points of damage per caster level (maximum 40).
44:27 <Falang> !feat godless healing
44:28 <diebot> Falang, WORD OF HEALING []Prereq:  Lay on hands class feature.  Using the same divine energy as your lay on hands ability, you can heal others at a distance.
44:28 <diebot> Benefit:  You may use your lay on hands to heal another creature at a range of 30 feet as a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to speak and have a free hand to use this ability. The target heals half the amount they would have healed if you had touched them, but gains the benefits of your mercies as
44:28 <diebot> normal. Source: UM
44:40 <Falang> please tell me this is PFS
44:45 <Falang> oh wait
45:07 <Falang> is there some interface to add feats?
46:39 * Falang shakes his head
47:04 <niconorsk> The feat should be legal as long as you own the source
47:12 <Falang> They're taking this 1/day thing a little too far when you get a bonus to a skill once a day and it's purely knowledge based, no magic or any special ability..
47:30 <Falang> Once a day you can be a little bit better at a spellcraft roll
49:48 <Brunius|M> What feat?
50:02 <Falang> sec
50:10 <Falang> Noble Scion
50:17 <Falang> !feat Noble Scion
50:19 <diebot> Falang, DOUBLE SLICE [Combat]Prereq:  Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting.  Your off-hand weapon while dual-wielding strikes with greater power.
50:19 <diebot> Benefit:  Add your Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.
50:19 <diebot> Normal:  You normally add only half of your Strength modifier to damage rolls made with a weapon wielded in your off-hand. Source: Core
50:24 <Falang> meh.
50:28 <Falang> the inner sea world guide
50:41 <Falang> pg 288
08:24 <Hydrazine> I think its quite well understanded that some feats are more equal than others.
22:21 <Mekkis> Falang, the feats diebot has are only from the PRD: core, UM, UC, APG
23:52 <Mekkis> !spell vitriotic mist
23:57 <diebot> Mekkis, VITRIOLIC MIST evocation ([acid]) alchemist 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, summoner 4 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (a piece of lemon rind) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save:  SR:
23:57 <diebot> This functions as fire shield, except it wreathes you in yellow or green acidic mist instead of hot or cold flames. The spell deals acid damage to attackers and protects you against acid damage. This spell does not shed light.
29:52 <Mekkis> The main reason for this is that d20pfsrd isn't accurate
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37:26 <Falang> oh?  it's not maintained?
37:57 <Mekkis> no
38:00 <Mekkis> it's not accurate
38:16 <Mekkis> when I first looked it, it was poorly maintained and didn't have all the information
38:37 <Mekkis> now, d20pfsrd.com's genericised all the names to avoid trademark conflicts
40:34 <Falang> is this bot looking these things up online or is it all in a local database?
40:43 <Mekkis> it's in a local database
40:58 <Mekkis> there are scripts that can be used to get the information
41:56 <Falang> you could probably just get this gang here to feed info into it for all the rest of the books
42:17 <Mekkis> heh
43:06 <Mekkis> if you want to look at the database, you can download it from my website
44:45 <Falang> I mean if the bot had features that allowed anybody to add info to it, that is. anybody with a spare bit of time could feed the rest of the feats and spells into it with cut and paste easily enough.
45:13 <Mekkis> perhaps. The spells are pretty much complete
45:50 <Mekkis> it'd be better for me to just write a more sophisticated import script
45:55 <Falang> weapons, equipment, etc.. 
46:15 <Falang> oh, well yes, but I meant from the rest of the official books, not srd sources.
46:28 <Mekkis> yeah, but People aren't going to bother
46:44 <Mekkis> they'll just put srd stuff in there, which might be incorrect
47:00 <Falang> You might be surprised, it'd be faster. It's easy enough to get the pathfinder pdfs.
47:06 <Falang> cut and paste
47:13 <Mekkis> ok
47:22 <Mekkis> try pasting a feat in here
47:24 <Falang> especially if SRD is wrong
47:50 <Falang> You have trained to channel your magical energies in ways 
47:50 <Falang> that do not harm the natural world around you.
47:50 <Falang> Prerequisite: Follower of the Green Faith.
47:50 <Falang> Benef it: Spells you cast that deal damage, channel 
47:50 <Falang> negative energy, or otherwise harm life do not hurt normal 
47:50 <Falang> or magical plants. In addition, whenever you cast a spell 
47:50 <Falang> that utilizes, heals, or enhances normal or magical plants 
47:50 <Falang> (such as entangleor plant growth), you cast the spell at +1 
47:50 <Falang> caster level.
48:16 <Mekkis> so, problems I'm seeing:
48:20 <Falang> sorry, I skipped the title, it's Green Faith Acolyte.
48:35 <Mekkis> no name, no source, no clear end.
48:48 <Falang> yes yes, end of lines. easy to fix if you dump it to notepad first, or just have the bot check for them and filter it out
49:40 <Falang> Green Faith Acolyte
49:40 <Falang> You have trained to channel your magical energies in ways that do not harm the natural world around you.
49:40 <Falang> Prerequisite: Follower of the Green Faith.
49:40 <Falang> Benefit: Spells you cast that deal damage, channel negative energy, or otherwise harm life do not hurt normal 
49:40 <Falang> or magical plants. In addition, whenever you cast a spell that utilizes, heals, or enhances normal or magical plants 
49:40 <Falang> (such as entangleor plant growth), you cast the spell at +1 caster level.
49:41 <Mekkis> a bunch of formatting lost, for example the "fi" glyph
50:18 <Falang> Maybe so, but that's minor proofreading. I'm betting these nerds would be willing to collaborate for their own benefit in some spare time between games.
50:24 <Mekkis> sure
50:31 <Falang> that took me like 10 seconds to fix
50:55 <Mekkis> never underestimate laziness
51:04 <Falang> I'd be happy to help out for one. and I'm super lazy. ;)
51:05 <Mekkis> so people would add feats that they use, and ignore other ones
51:23 <Mekkis> cool
51:36 <Mekkis> send them to me in the form of SQL insert statements and I'll add them in
51:50 <Mekkis> CREATE TABLE PRDFEAT(id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, NAME, TYPE, PREREQ, SUMMARY, BENEFIT, SPECIAL, NORMAL, SOURCE, HTML, PFSLEGAL INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
52:03 <Falang> *sigh*
52:22 <Mekkis> that's how you can get the structure
52:41 <Falang> ya know, what would be really nice is a list of feats that require the feat you're reading, no idea why they never do that. it's always a one way street
52:55 <Falang> I think that would be equally informative and useful
53:26 <Mekkis> you mean like http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/feat-tree ?
53:28 <Falang> so you do.. !feat mobility and it tells you that not only do you need dodge, but this list of feats require Mobility
53:56 <Falang> Yes I saw that, but that tree is huge, and not so clearly treelike.
54:16 <Falang> anyway, just a thought since it's in the db anyway, I'll send you some feats.. any book you prefer I start with?
54:46 <Mekkis> inner sea world guide
55:36 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/pathfinder.sqlite.bz2
55:44 <Mekkis> that's the DB at the moment
57:56 <Steven> alright who wants a crazy good combat trick?
58:37 <niconorsk> Always
58:47 <Steven> do you have a rogue/ninja?
58:48 <Falang> Mekkis, tell steven what the next book you want done is.
58:59 <Falang> He clearly has too much free time on his hands.
59:11 <Steven> wait mekkis... tell falang how much i care!
59:26 <niconorsk> I don't but if the trick is good enough I might make one. :)
59:44 <Steven> then i no share trick
00:00 <niconorsk> :(
00:00 <Falang> Might as well do items too while we're at it..
01:32 <Steven> i forgot to pick up some juice
01:32 <Falang> Steven, we were just discussing expanding the bot databases to include other books, like the Inner Sea World Guide, etc.. 
01:33 <Steven> damn it
01:58 <Steven> and this affects me how?
02:16 <Falang> you care to volunteer some effort into the info input?
02:35 <Falang> so you can search for any feat from any book, easier for all of us.
02:40 <Falang> or any item or weapon etc.
02:58 <Steven> one second
04:21 <Steven> im sorry, i dont believe i can assist in this.
05:03 <Falang> May I ask why?
06:53 <Falang> Mekkis: I'm a little unclear as to what some of these fields are supposed to be, can you paste me an example?
06:54 <Steven> i have signed an nda with paizo and i am not sure if one of the clauses prevents me from assisting in the building of a comprehensive database
07:26 <Falang> Ohhh. I see. Understandable.
08:02 * Falang pokes niconorsk, "You seem to be alive. Care to assist?"
09:46 <niconorsk> In data input, no, I don't care particularly.  I never use the dicebot search.  I prefer pfsrd formatting in general
09:52 <Steven> i can ask, but the answer would likely be "give us the project information so we can decide"
10:28 <niconorsk> Plus, don't own inner sea world guide
10:58 <Steven> also typing one handed sucks
11:23 <Steven> but scrambled eggs and bacon rock
11:58 <Falang> niconorsk: I'm doing that book already, you can just pick one and do it.  I'm actually just going to cut and paste it from the PDFs online, not type it out.
12:35 <Falang> Books are so 2012.
17:03 <Steven> nico i sent you messages with the crazy combat trick
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25:06 <Wrothmonk> how did I manage to view my own joining message,,,
25:10 <Wrothmonk> ...*
48:05 <Steven> sup
01:29 <Wrothmonk> Hello
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28:28 <Steven> freakin bored as hell
24:05 <Steven> chronocle sheets sent out through skype for those people who played in the goblinblood dead
34:28 <Avatar> cheers
34:57 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: what happened to you during that game
35:21 <Wrothmonk> mediacom decided to not let me get a solid connection for an hour
36:28 <Avatar> man
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59:03 <Steven> brunius, sent your chronical sheet through skype
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05:05 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#_glove-of-storing
05:08 <Avatar> this could have come in handy the other night
17:49 <Steven> for what?
17:58 <Steven> oh the goblinblood dead
18:13 <Steven> yeah shes a bitch, 7th level oracle
18:19 <Steven> no beuno
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32:21 <Avatar> unless you're using it for combat manuevers
32:45 <Mekkis> I will give you that
33:41 <Avatar> that logic kind of ignores rogues as well doesn't it
33:56 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
34:00 <Mekkis> rogues suck
34:03 <Avatar> they use sneak attack damage
34:06 <Mekkis> rogues are a trap class
34:19 <Avatar> weapon finesse is worthwhile there
34:56 <Avatar> if you're a tank you don't need to care a whole lot about maxing your damage anyway
34:59 <Mekkis> a crappy feat allows a crappy class to dish out an insignificant amount of damage slightly more often
35:22 <Avatar> you say slightly, but if we're talking about an 8 str 18 dex character, that's huge
36:28 <Wrothmonk> what would happen if you had something in your hand with the glove filled and then used the glove?
36:31 <Mekkis> in which case it's a crappy feat that allows a crappy class to dish out an insignificant amount of damage at a higher probability in the somewhat rare circumstance that he is in a position to successfully deliver a sneak attack.
36:44 <Wrothmonk> nuclear fusion? >:D
38:32 <Mekkis> the problem with sneak attack is that ultimately it isn't enough damage to be worthwhile
39:23 <Mekkis> and you can go on and on about how a rogue isn't supposed to be a "combat class" (whatever that means), but ultimately, sneak attack is only used in combat, and therefore should be effective in combat.
40:33 <Mekkis> (The player playing the rogue in the game where I was playing the monk was playing a halfling, who used a light crossbow and literally spent most of the time doing other stuff on his laptop)
44:32 <Mekkis> http://www.ontariopathfinders.com/?p=539
49:58 <Falang> tanks. ugh. I hate that roleplaying has turned into World of Warcraft.
50:19 <Mekkis> then you'll be glad to know that "tanking" doesn't work in PFS
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50:31 <Mekkis> (I also refuse to use the term)
50:35 <Falang> can't something just be the way it is because that's the way it is? :)
50:41 <Mort-> Hello wrothmonk :p
50:48 <Wrothmonk> hi
50:54 <Mort-> Like your new chronicle sheet? :d
50:59 <Wrothmonk> Yes :P
51:06 <Mort-> The 2nd one
51:38 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
51:42 <Mort-> All hail wroth. Slayer of sleeping crocodiles. May he live forever
51:57 <Wrothmonk> Tripper of flaming skeletons!
52:00 <Wrothmonk> :P
52:09 <Falang> munchkinism
52:16 <Mekkis> I know why "tanking" works in WoW - because Blizzard has always sucked at unit AI.
52:22 <Mort-> That too but the partner in crime thing was a little too funny to pass on
52:38 <Wrothmonk> hey, what do you think would happen if you had used a glove of holding to store an item earlier, then used it again while having something in your hand?
52:42 <Mort-> Ashar had the reverse of it
53:03 <Mort-> You drop the thing on it?
53:21 <Wrothmonk> you have an item appearing in the same space of another thing
53:35 <Mekkis> you've just asked a question regarding a tautology, which doesn't make sense. And my attempt to get clarification has resulted in an unrelated one-word answer.
53:39 <Wrothmonk> I say nuclear fusion >:D
53:50 <Falang> nevermind.
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54:31 <Mort-> Nuclear thing is when you drop a portable hole into a bag of holding
54:47 <Falang> sounds all about the numbers
54:50 <Wrothmonk> Thats "quantum" teleportation
54:53 <Steven> mort i sent you an email
55:00 <Hydrazine> I think thats more like a matter-antimatter anihilation.
55:18 <Mekkis> not a simple physical explosion?
55:37 <Steven> its not an explosion, its an implosion
55:44 <Falang> Nobody played a rogue in 2e for the awesome skills or evasion, they just wanted to be a rogue. More style, less numbercrunching.
55:46 <Wrothmonk> that leads to another dimension
55:53 <Steven> indeed.
55:55 <Mort-> What till later Steven I'm kinda busy for the next eddy days
55:56 <Mort-> Few
56:10 <Steven> thats fine, just wanted to make sure you recieved it.
56:16 <Mekkis> For some people it is. For me, I believe that there's more to it than the numbers, but... it's required that the numbers are indicative of what the character is capable of.
56:20 <Falang> now you, quite literally, need a spreadsheet.
56:32 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
56:43 <Falang> and it's all stacking bonuses 
56:53 <Wrothmonk> ok it would appear that the items would get really cold if they are iron
57:10 <Mort-> Don't get what you mean though
57:19 <Wrothmonk> if its fussion that is.
57:31 <Mort-> Initial ill just photoshop it in
57:38 <Falang> If I take this feat, that gives me anotehr +2 to my so and so, making it a +10!
58:02 <Mort-> The other bit oh if you wish : p
58:09 <Mekkis> where is the stacking on Mytiazair's sheet?
58:11 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/mytiazair.pdf
58:57 <Falang> that's yours I assume?  I'm not accusing you of it specifically but I've seen a lot of talk the past few days and that's a strong impression to me so far.
59:11 <Mekkis> it is mine. The wizard/rogue
59:43 <Mort-> Ok work work
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59:57 <Falang> That's what you get when you let companies that make CCGs make RPGs I guess.
00:48 <Falang> Thanks WoTC/Hasbro/etc.
01:12 <Mekkis> Paizo doesn't make any CCGs, though...
01:16 <Falang> bah, I'm just griping, nevermind me..
01:26 <Mekkis> but I see where you're coming from
01:28 <Falang> true, they're just picking up the pieces, i'm aware of that.
02:47 <Mekkis> I like taking a concept and then building the character around it
03:04 <Mekkis> and I'll try and make the character as effective as possible within that concept
03:32 <Falang> well that's what I wanted to do, but you tell me it's not plausible and I'll die.. 
03:42 <Falang> that makes me feel like something is a little broken
04:10 <Falang> if I want to put a level of Shoe Cobbler in there I should be okay
04:18 <Falang> at least I get hitpoints and shoes.
04:59 <Mekkis> if I want to make a sneaky skilled character, I won't make a rogue
05:10 <Falang> you'd make a ninja! because they're better! ;)
05:17 <Mekkis> I'd either make a ninja, a wizard, or an archaeologist bard.
06:04 <Falang> Yeah, but that's what I mean.. you're aiming for 'better'.. I'd have to justify it to myself and my mental concept of how he'd be a damn ninja
06:06 <Mekkis> because at the end of the day, the fact that Someone decided to name a particular set of class features/progression a "rogue" doesn't mean anything to me
06:37 <Falang> why a wizard?  invisibility?
07:02 <Mekkis> and the fact that there's another set of class features/progression called a "ninja" doesn't mean it needs any of the "eastern dishonourable warrior" connotations
07:54 <Falang> I suppose, and I'm not against adding it instead if it's more suitable, I just haven't read it yet.
08:08 <Mekkis> a wizard would get skills due to high int, stealth due to the fact that he'd be small (I'd play a gnome), and the ability to cause some lovely mayhem with illusions and transmutations.
08:08 <Falang> oh I'm a dishonorable warrior, no problems there. there are no rules in battle.
08:59 <Falang> yeah, but you're being a gnome just to be small. that's what I mean.  this guy is human not for the 2 attribute points etc, (though they were nice), he's human because he's human.
09:08 <Falang> I wanted him to be human
09:13 <Mekkis> no
09:34 <Mekkis> I'm a gnome because when I think of a sneaky skilled character, I think that a gnome would fit better than a human
09:41 <Mekkis> (also, I like playing gnomes)
09:51 <Falang> ick, never played one. can't imagine why anybody would.
10:10 <Falang> but that's just sneaking. I'm not scared of a midget assassin ;)
10:32 <Mekkis> assassins don't want you to be scared of them. They just want you do die.
11:00 <Mekkis> I like their philosophy as far as adventuring goes
11:31 <Falang> haha, you got me there!
11:31 <Mekkis> "Live a long, interesting life - or die of boredom in the next decade"
11:58 <Falang> but then, an assassin nobody fears won't do well on the market
12:30 <Falang> you go to hire him and can't stop laughing
12:42 <Mekkis> that's fine - but such a character wouldn't market himself as an assassin. He'd market himself as a troubleshooter
13:09 <Falang> !class ninja
13:14 <Falang> probably too much to hope for
13:20 <Mekkis> sorry, haven't put that into diebot yet
13:25 <Mekkis> still working on it
13:32 <Falang> not a prob, what book is that in?
13:51 <Mekkis> Ultimate Combat
14:10 <Mekkis> Did you ever do any multiclassing in 2e?
14:26 <Falang> got it.
14:27 <Falang> oh sure
14:36 <Mekkis> how did it go?
14:38 <Falang> but that was.. well so long ago I can't even recall the specifics.
14:58 <Falang> *shrug* fine, I don't recall any specific snags.
15:20 <Mekkis> it was balanced differently to the way 3.5 did it...
16:24 <Mekkis> The other way I design characters is I look at prestige classes and try to find one that would be cool to play.
16:35 <Mekkis> (Like Ulzef has done with Mortok)
16:38 <Falang> honestly I like *most* of 3.5/3.75 better, but...
17:12 <Falang> actually, the most badass character I ever had in 2e was a Minotaur fighter
17:47 <Falang> forget his level.. either 9th or 11th Fighter, finished a big adventure.. and used a wish to get enough Int to switch to a wizard.
17:55 <Falang> I whupped 10x as much ass after that.
18:09 <Falang> I think it was 9F/11W
19:25 <Falang> maybe he was more dual class, I forget, that would have been back in .. 96 maybe?
19:50 <Mekkis> yeah... they completely reworked XP with 3.9
19:53 <Falang> maybe not even that, could have been 94-95
19:54 <Mekkis> 3.0*
20:15 <Falang> come to think of it yes, I think it was dual classing, that's what the wish did, allowed me to dual class.
20:22 <Falang> I had a lot of Int already
20:35 <Falang> He was huge and tough and smart as hell, and nobody expected that.
20:48 <Mekkis> you must have worded it very carefully
21:15 <Falang> since I pretty much carried that whole campaign, I think I earned it ;)
21:23 <Mekkis> heh
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21:35 <Mekkis> anyway, it's past midnight, so I'll be sleeping now
21:36 <Mekkis> 'night
21:49 <Falang> l8r. 
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13:42 <Farang> android irc client, not too shabby
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19:05 <Ashar> hey steven
19:08 <Ashar> er/
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19:14 Falang is now known as Farang
19:21 Farang is now known as Falang
19:23 <Falang> there..
22:02 <Hydrazine> Right
27:50 <Steven> hey ashar
32:14 <Falang> is there a list of the functions these dicebots do?
32:21 <Falang> !help
32:22 <diebot> Falang, Commands include !throw, !save, !dist, !chargen, !feat, !spell, !item, !search, !define. Type ??command for more information, eg ??!throw .
32:26 <Falang> ah. nm
32:43 <Mekkis> yay... someone actually used it
33:13 <Falang> what are these, eggdrops with scripts?
33:44 <Mekkis> not sure about dicebot
33:51 <Mekkis> but diebot's written in pure ruby
37:10 <Falang> I realy should come up with a better nick
37:53 <Hydrazine> What would make it better? We don't rate you on them or anything.
38:08 <Hydrazine> Aslong as its not something like 'geeksRfagsLOL'
38:14 <Mekkis> it's better than Wrothmonk :S
38:16 <Falang> this word, falang, it's what the thai people call foreigners.
38:21 <Mekkis> ah
38:28 <Falang> quite rudely I might add
38:49 <Wrothmonk> Hey!
39:08 <Falang> so whenever you hear it, they're talking about you and all you troublesome foreigners in general.
39:09 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, your name lost all of its credibility after you created a character called "Wroth"
39:17 <Mekkis> it's entirely your fault.
39:23 <Hydrazine> Who isn't even a monk!
39:25 * Wrothmonk doesnt care
39:25 <Falang> Wrothmonk: he's got you there
39:32 <Wrothmonk> Actually it is a monk
39:36 <Mekkis> If you don't care, then don't complain.
39:36 <Hydrazine> Is it?
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41:43 <Hydrazine> Well, noone will hold it against you if you change nick, aslong as you don't do it often enough that we can't keep track of who you are.
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49:17 <Wrothmonk> Well I didnt realise you guys would take it that way
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54:10 <Mekkis> seriously?
54:24 <Mekkis> I thought your entire idea behind that character was to troll us
55:55 <Falang> Mekkis: Yeah, he be trippin'! <G>
02:37 <Wrothmonk> :/
03:12 <Falang> sorry, running joke ;)
03:23 <Wrothmonk> sorry for taking offense 
03:51 <Wrothmonk> The name was supposed to be a light joke and that was it
03:57 <Wrothmonk> But I'll be changing that shortly
05:22 <Mekkis> I mean, you were going "I'm going to munchkin, I'm going to multiclass sorcerer/monk, I'm going to create a new character, and I'm going to call him Wroth"
05:35 <Mekkis> so 4 out of five :)
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05:59 <Falang> lol
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16:59 <Farang> Ah ha, I return!
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25:49 <Wrothmonk> how did I manage to view my own joining message,,,
25:52 <Wrothmonk> ...*
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48:32 <Mekkis> Brunius|M!
48:47 <Steven> sup
02:12 <Wrothmonk> Hello
04:02 <Mekkis> !hp 9d6m2
04:33 <diebot> Mekkis, 56
04:49 <Mekkis> !hp 9d6m3
04:51 <diebot> Mekkis, 65
06:04 <Mekkis> !feat craft staff
06:08 <diebot> Mekkis, CRAFT STAFF [Item Creation]Prereq:  Caster level 11th.  You can create magic staves.
06:08 <diebot> Benefit:  You can create any staff whose prerequisites you meet. Crafting a staff takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To craft a staff, you must use up raw materials costing half of its base price. A newly created staff has 10 charges. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information. Source: Core
23:21 <Falang> what's the m2?
24:13 <Mekkis> per-level modifier
24:15 <Falang> come to think of it, what's !hp period
24:17 <Mekkis> if you get 1d6 per level
24:21 <Mekkis> sorry
24:50 <Falang> ??!hp
24:52 <Mekkis> for example, if you're playing a 2nd level wizard with 14 con, you'll want 2d6m2 hp
24:59 <Falang> so much for that :)
25:14 <Falang> ah. isn't that easier to do with just +2?
25:24 <Mekkis> no, because +2 means a straight +2
25:25 <Falang> or +4 in this case
25:36 <Mekkis> you can type 2d6+4 and get the same result
26:07 <Falang> wait, you can't say that. that's my point!
26:12 <Mekkis> you can
26:16 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6+4
26:18 <diebot> Mekkis, 14
26:32 <Mekkis> !hp 2d6m2
26:34 <diebot> Mekkis, 14
26:35 <Falang> I know that, I'm saying you can just roll 2d6+4, so why have a !hp m2 thing at all
27:11 <Falang> so you're agreeing with me ;)
27:18 <Mekkis> because
27:43 <Falang> you're bored?
28:01 <Mekkis> if you're trying to work out the HP for a wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP...
28:31 <Mekkis> it's better to type !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2 than it is to work out
28:38 <Mekkis> ummm
28:59 <Mekkis> !hp 6d6+18+1d8+3+1d8+2+3d6+6
29:00 <diebot> Mekkis, 77
29:07 <Mekkis> !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2
29:10 <diebot> Mekkis, 77
29:11 <Steven> freakin bored as hell
30:50 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the give HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2.
30:52 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the give HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. defined as ??!hp
31:31 <Brunius|M> Give HD?
31:42 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2.
31:44 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. defined as ??!hp
32:16 <Mekkis> !define global !hp: !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3.
32:17 <Hydrazine> Can diebot do Bru's homework?
32:18 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3. defined as ??!hp
32:29 <Mekkis> probably
32:58 <Mekkis> !item caster's shield
33:01 <diebot> Mekkis, CASTER'S SHIELD [moderate abjuration] CL:6 shield 3153gp, 5lb
33:02 <diebot> This +1 light wooden shield has a leather strip on the back on which a spellcaster can scribe a single spell as on a scroll. A spell so scribed requires half the normal cost in raw materials. The strip cannot accommodate spells of higher than 3rd level. The strip is reusable. A random caster's shield has a 50% chance of having a single medium
33:02 <diebot> scroll spell on it. The spell is divine (01-80 on d%) or arcane (81-100). A caster's shield has a 5% arcane spell failure chance. The price of the shield is modified by the value of the scroll spell if one is currently scribed. Source: Ultimate Equipment
35:10 <Falang> you should put a more complicated example so they see how it can be used. like your own test numbers.
36:08 <Hydrazine> Whats the command for diebot to solve for X?
36:20 <Mekkis> !define global add !hp:  A wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP would use !hp 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2.
36:21 <diebot> Mekkis, ??!hp updated.
36:25 <Mekkis> ?!hp
36:27 <diebot> Mekkis, !hp Calculates PFS HP for the given HD. Use m to describe bonus HP for each HD. For example, a level 2 wizard with 14 con would use !hp 2d6m2. The same wizard with Toughness would use !hp 2d6m2+3.A wizard 6 / rogue 1 / master spy 1 / arcane trickster 3, with favoured class of wizard and rogue going to HP would use !hp
36:27 <diebot> 6d6m3+1d8m3+1d8m2+3d6m2.
36:53 <Mekkis> wow
37:05 <Mekkis> there's a spell called &Named Bullet, Greater
37:18 <diebot> NAMED BULLET, GREATER divination ([]) inquisitor 6, ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 standard action Range: touch one piece of ammunition or one thrown weapon Comp: V, S, M/DF (an item from the selected creature or creature type) Duration: 10 minutes/level or until discharged Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless,
37:18 <diebot> object)
37:19 <diebot> This spell functions like named bullet, except it deals 2 extra points of damage per caster level (maximum 40).
43:44 <Falang> !feat godless healing
43:46 <diebot> Falang, WORD OF HEALING []Prereq:  Lay on hands class feature.  Using the same divine energy as your lay on hands ability, you can heal others at a distance.
43:46 <diebot> Benefit:  You may use your lay on hands to heal another creature at a range of 30 feet as a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to speak and have a free hand to use this ability. The target heals half the amount they would have healed if you had touched them, but gains the benefits of your mercies as
43:46 <diebot> normal. Source: UM
43:58 <Falang> please tell me this is PFS
44:07 <Falang> oh wait
44:24 <Falang> is there some interface to add feats?
46:02 * Falang shakes his head
46:22 <niconorsk> The feat should be legal as long as you own the source
46:32 <Falang> They're taking this 1/day thing a little too far when you get a bonus to a skill once a day and it's purely knowledge based, no magic or any special ability..
46:52 <Falang> Once a day you can be a little bit better at a spellcraft roll
49:05 <Brunius|M> What feat?
49:19 <Falang> sec
49:28 <Falang> Noble Scion
49:34 <Falang> !feat Noble Scion
49:36 <diebot> Falang, DOUBLE SLICE [Combat]Prereq:  Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting.  Your off-hand weapon while dual-wielding strikes with greater power.
49:36 <diebot> Benefit:  Add your Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.
49:36 <diebot> Normal:  You normally add only half of your Strength modifier to damage rolls made with a weapon wielded in your off-hand. Source: Core
49:43 <Falang> meh.
49:45 <Falang> the inner sea world guide
50:00 <Falang> pg 288
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07:41 <Hydrazine> I think its quite well understanded that some feats are more equal than others.
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21:38 <Mekkis> Falang, the feats diebot has are only from the PRD: core, UM, UC, APG
23:09 <Mekkis> !spell vitriotic mist
23:14 <diebot> Mekkis, VITRIOLIC MIST evocation ([acid]) alchemist 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, summoner 4 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (a piece of lemon rind) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save:  SR:
23:15 <diebot> This functions as fire shield, except it wreathes you in yellow or green acidic mist instead of hot or cold flames. The spell deals acid damage to attackers and protects you against acid damage. This spell does not shed light.
24:48 <Steven> chronocle sheets sent out through skype for those people who played in the goblinblood dead
29:09 <Mekkis> The main reason for this is that d20pfsrd isn't accurate
35:10 <Avatar> cheers
35:40 <Avatar> Wrothmonk: what happened to you during that game
36:03 <Wrothmonk> mediacom decided to not let me get a solid connection for an hour
36:43 <Falang> oh?  it's not maintained?
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37:10 <Avatar> man
37:14 <Mekkis> no
37:17 <Mekkis> it's not accurate
37:33 <Mekkis> when I first looked it, it was poorly maintained and didn't have all the information
37:54 <Mekkis> now, d20pfsrd.com's genericised all the names to avoid trademark conflicts
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39:51 <Falang> is this bot looking these things up online or is it all in a local database?
40:00 <Mekkis> it's in a local database
40:15 <Mekkis> there are scripts that can be used to get the information
41:13 <Falang> you could probably just get this gang here to feed info into it for all the rest of the books
41:33 <Mekkis> heh
42:22 <Mekkis> if you want to look at the database, you can download it from my website
44:02 <Falang> I mean if the bot had features that allowed anybody to add info to it, that is. anybody with a spare bit of time could feed the rest of the feats and spells into it with cut and paste easily enough.
44:30 <Mekkis> perhaps. The spells are pretty much complete
45:07 <Mekkis> it'd be better for me to just write a more sophisticated import script
45:16 <Falang> weapons, equipment, etc.. 
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45:32 <Falang> oh, well yes, but I meant from the rest of the official books, not srd sources.
45:45 <Mekkis> yeah, but People aren't going to bother
46:00 <Mekkis> they'll just put srd stuff in there, which might be incorrect
46:20 <Falang> You might be surprised, it'd be faster. It's easy enough to get the pathfinder pdfs.
46:26 <Falang> cut and paste
46:30 <Mekkis> ok
46:39 <Mekkis> try pasting a feat in here
46:41 <Falang> especially if SRD is wrong
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47:07 <Falang> You have trained to channel your magical energies in ways 
47:08 <Falang> that do not harm the natural world around you.
47:08 <Falang> Prerequisite: Follower of the Green Faith.
47:08 <Falang> Benef it: Spells you cast that deal damage, channel 
47:08 <Falang> negative energy, or otherwise harm life do not hurt normal 
47:08 <Falang> or magical plants. In addition, whenever you cast a spell 
47:08 <Falang> that utilizes, heals, or enhances normal or magical plants 
47:08 <Falang> (such as entangleor plant growth), you cast the spell at +1 
47:08 <Falang> caster level.
47:33 <Mekkis> so, problems I'm seeing:
47:37 <Falang> sorry, I skipped the title, it's Green Faith Acolyte.
47:51 <Mekkis> no name, no source, no clear end.
48:06 <Falang> yes yes, end of lines. easy to fix if you dump it to notepad first, or just have the bot check for them and filter it out
48:57 <Falang> Green Faith Acolyte
48:57 <Falang> You have trained to channel your magical energies in ways that do not harm the natural world around you.
48:57 <Falang> Prerequisite: Follower of the Green Faith.
48:57 <Falang> Benefit: Spells you cast that deal damage, channel negative energy, or otherwise harm life do not hurt normal 
48:57 <Falang> or magical plants. In addition, whenever you cast a spell that utilizes, heals, or enhances normal or magical plants 
48:57 <Falang> (such as entangleor plant growth), you cast the spell at +1 caster level.
48:58 <Mekkis> a bunch of formatting lost, for example the "fi" glyph
49:35 <Falang> Maybe so, but that's minor proofreading. I'm betting these nerds would be willing to collaborate for their own benefit in some spare time between games.
49:41 <Mekkis> sure
49:51 <Falang> that took me like 10 seconds to fix
50:12 <Mekkis> never underestimate laziness
50:21 <Falang> I'd be happy to help out for one. and I'm super lazy. ;)
50:22 <Mekkis> so people would add feats that they use, and ignore other ones
50:40 <Mekkis> cool
50:52 <Mekkis> send them to me in the form of SQL insert statements and I'll add them in
51:06 <Mekkis> CREATE TABLE PRDFEAT(id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY AUTOINCREMENT, NAME, TYPE, PREREQ, SUMMARY, BENEFIT, SPECIAL, NORMAL, SOURCE, HTML, PFSLEGAL INTEGER DEFAULT 0);
51:27 <Falang> *sigh*
51:33 <Mekkis> that's how you can get the structure
51:58 <Falang> ya know, what would be really nice is a list of feats that require the feat you're reading, no idea why they never do that. it's always a one way street
52:33 <Falang> I think that would be equally informative and useful
52:43 <Mekkis> you mean like http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/feat-tree ?
52:45 <Falang> so you do.. !feat mobility and it tells you that not only do you need dodge, but this list of feats require Mobility
53:13 <Falang> Yes I saw that, but that tree is huge, and not so clearly treelike.
53:33 <Falang> anyway, just a thought since it's in the db anyway, I'll send you some feats.. any book you prefer I start with?
54:03 <Mekkis> inner sea world guide
54:53 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/pathfinder.sqlite.bz2
55:01 <Mekkis> that's the DB at the moment
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58:20 <Steven> alright who wants a crazy good combat trick?
58:20 <niconorsk> Always
58:20 <Steven> do you have a rogue/ninja?
58:20 <Falang> Mekkis, tell steven what the next book you want done is.
58:20 <Falang> He clearly has too much free time on his hands.
59:46 <Steven> brunius, sent your chronical sheet through skype
18:16 <***> Buffer Playback...
18:17 <***> Playback Complete.
26:44 <Steven> So turns out we have our second confimed character for our Eyes of the Ten Game
27:24 <Steven> A cavalier that does a minimum damage on a charge of 4d8+76
27:27 <Steven> or was it 176
28:49 <niconorsk> Lets hope eyes of the ten is  ount friendly then. :)
28:59 <niconorsk> *mount
29:31 <Steven> he rides a wolf, that he gets people to UMD a reduce animal on
29:44 <Steven> so he rides a medium sized wolf
29:50 <Falang> what level is that?
30:00 <niconorsk> 12
30:21 <niconorsk> I think. Its the retirement arc right?
31:41 <Steven> yup the retirement arc
31:43 <Steven> arch
31:45 <Steven> whatever
32:04 <Steven> So far confirmed cavalier and my Aasimar Healer
36:11 <Steven> !throw 2d12+1d6+20
36:12 <diebot> Steven, 2d12+1d6+20: [2d12=11,1; 1d6=3] 35
36:16 <Steven> !throw 2d12+1d6+20
36:17 <diebot> Steven, 2d12+1d6+20: [2d12=11,10; 1d6=5] 46
36:19 <Steven> !throw 2d12+1d6+20
36:20 <diebot> Steven, 2d12+1d6+20: [2d12=6,5; 1d6=3] 34
36:21 <Steven> !throw 2d12+1d6+20
36:21 <diebot> Steven, 2d12+1d6+20: [2d12=11,7; 1d6=4] 42
36:22 <Steven> !throw 2d12+1d6+20
36:23 <diebot> Steven, 2d12+1d6+20: [2d12=12,6; 1d6=3] 41
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58:33 <Avatar> [16:06] <Seph> Hey man. I am keen to get back into d&d so probably going to play via irc with you guys. I'll be back on later for a chat anyway. Just thought I'd pop by and say hello. ;) 
58:40 <Avatar> I don't remember seph actually ever playing d&d
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59:12 <Avatar> Seph: I don't remember you ever actually playing d&d
01:10 <Seph> I didn't play it on irc. Actual pen and paper in the early 90s.;)
01:58 <Avatar> you are missing out
02:06 <Avatar> we have been playing since the early 00s
02:27 <Avatar> it's all pathfinder now, not d&d
02:34 <Avatar> d&d 3.75e
02:45 <Avatar> roll up a character
02:47 <Seph> So I saw on the website. 
03:22 <Seph> I will a bit later. Just walked in the door from work. 
03:33 <Avatar> same
05:41 <Steven> I just got finished with PFS at the shop
05:47 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magicItems/wondrousItems.html#_glove-of-storing
05:51 <Avatar> this could have come in handy the other night
06:32 <Steven> well like an hour ago
07:12 <Steven> we got another confirmed character for our eyes of the ten game
07:38 <Steven> Cavalier that does like 100 minimum damage on a charge
09:18 <Steven> and honey the healer
11:20 <Avatar> I still can't get over that game we had the other night
13:46 <Falang> the getting our asses kicked game?
15:13 <Avatar> yeah
15:37 <Seph> Is there any other sort of game? 
17:48 <Seph> So pfs is just d&d 3.75e rules? 
18:32 <Steven> for what?
18:40 <Steven> oh the goblinblood dead
18:55 <Steven> yeah shes a bitch, 7th level oracle
19:01 <Steven> no beuno
19:27 <Steven> simple answer: Yes
20:18 <Seph> Core classes only? 
20:34 <Brunius|M-> Which were you playing in the 90s?
21:25 <Brunius|M-> There's a list of legal classes
21:55 <Brunius|M-> Most of all of core is, magus is, all of the apg, gunslinger is
22:56 <Seph> Used to play ad&d 2nd ed. Have played a few hardcore d&d muds based off 3rd ed since then though. 
24:44 <Seph> I'll have a bit of a read later. Bit out of touch with modern d&d methinks. 
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32:39 <Falang> lucky you.
33:07 <Falang> D&D 5th edition will probably resembled pokemon card battles at this rate..
33:15 <Falang> -d
37:11 <Wrothmonk> what would happen if you had something in your hand with the glove filled and then used the glove?
37:27 <Wrothmonk> nuclear fusion? >:D
51:23 <Mort-> Hello wrothmonk :p
51:31 <Wrothmonk> hi
51:37 <Mort-> Like your new chronicle sheet? :d
51:42 <Wrothmonk> Yes :P
51:49 <Mort-> The 2nd one
52:25 <Mort-> All hail wroth. Slayer of sleeping crocodiles. May he live forever
52:40 <Wrothmonk> Tripper of flaming skeletons!
52:43 <Wrothmonk> :P
53:05 <Mort-> That too but the partner in crime thing was a little too funny to pass on
53:21 <Wrothmonk> hey, what do you think would happen if you had used a glove of holding to store an item earlier, then used it again while having something in your hand?
53:25 <Mort-> Ashar had the reverse of it
53:46 <Mort-> You drop the thing on it?
54:04 <Wrothmonk> you have an item appearing in the same space of another thing
54:22 <Wrothmonk> I say nuclear fusion >:D
55:14 <Mort-> Nuclear thing is when you drop a portable hole into a bag of holding
55:33 <Wrothmonk> Thats "quantum" teleportation
55:36 <Steven> mort i sent you an email
55:42 <Hydrazine> I think thats more like a matter-antimatter anihilation.
56:01 <Mekkis> not a simple physical explosion?
56:20 <Steven> its not an explosion, its an implosion
56:29 <Wrothmonk> that leads to another dimension
56:36 <Steven> indeed.
56:38 <Mort-> What till later Steven I'm kinda busy for the next eddy days
56:39 <Mort-> Few
56:53 <Steven> thats fine, just wanted to make sure you recieved it.
57:14 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
57:36 <Wrothmonk> ok it would appear that the items would get really cold if they are iron
57:52 <Mort-> Don't get what you mean though
58:02 <Wrothmonk> if its fussion that is.
58:14 <Mort-> Initial ill just photoshop it in
58:45 <Mort-> The other bit oh if you wish : p
59:04 <Brunius> Avatar: There's no topic set
00:26 <Mort-> Ok work work
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39:39 <Avatar> cheers
55:17 <Falang> !feat fast healing
55:17 <diebot> Falang, FAST HEALER []Prereq:  Con 13, Diehard, Endurance.  You benefit greatly from your healing, be it from spells or natural healing.
55:18 <diebot> Benefit:  When you regain hit points by resting or through magical healing, you recover additional hit points equal to half your Constitution modifier (minimum +1). Source: APG
55:22 <Falang> bah
55:29 <Falang> !avatar fast healing
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19:48 <Ashar> hey steven
19:51 <Ashar> er/
20:06 <Falang> there..
22:45 <Hydrazine> Right
28:33 <Steven> hey ashar
32:57 <Falang> is there a list of the functions these dicebots do?
33:04 <Falang> !help
33:05 <diebot> Falang, Commands include !throw, !save, !dist, !chargen, !feat, !spell, !item, !search, !define. Type ??command for more information, eg ??!throw .
33:08 <Falang> ah. nm
33:26 <Mekkis> yay... someone actually used it
33:56 <Falang> what are these, eggdrops with scripts?
34:27 <Mekkis> not sure about dicebot
34:34 <Mekkis> but diebot's written in pure ruby
37:52 <Falang> I realy should come up with a better nick
38:35 <Hydrazine> What would make it better? We don't rate you on them or anything.
38:50 <Hydrazine> Aslong as its not something like 'geeksRfagsLOL'
38:57 <Mekkis> it's better than Wrothmonk :S
38:59 <Falang> this word, falang, it's what the thai people call foreigners.
39:04 <Mekkis> ah
39:11 <Falang> quite rudely I might add
39:32 <Wrothmonk> Hey!
39:50 <Falang> so whenever you hear it, they're talking about you and all you troublesome foreigners in general.
39:52 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, your name lost all of its credibility after you created a character called "Wroth"
40:00 <Mekkis> it's entirely your fault.
40:06 <Hydrazine> Who isn't even a monk!
40:07 * Wrothmonk doesnt care
40:08 <Falang> Wrothmonk: he's got you there
40:14 <Wrothmonk> Actually it is a monk
40:19 <Hydrazine> Is it?
40:19 <Mekkis> If you don't care, then don't complain.
42:26 <Hydrazine> Well, noone will hold it against you if you change nick, aslong as you don't do it often enough that we can't keep track of who you are.
45:50 <Avatar> ??
47:02 <Falang> joking
47:08 <Falang> I looked it up
48:31 <Falang> bored.
49:59 <Wrothmonk> Well I didnt realise you guys would take it that way
54:53 <Mekkis> seriously?
55:07 <Mekkis> I thought your entire idea behind that character was to troll us
56:38 <Falang> Mekkis: Yeah, he be trippin'! <G>
03:19 <Wrothmonk> :/
03:55 <Falang> sorry, running joke ;)
04:05 <Wrothmonk> sorry for taking offense 
04:34 <Wrothmonk> The name was supposed to be a light joke and that was it
04:40 <Wrothmonk> But I'll be changing that shortly
06:05 <Mekkis> I mean, you were going "I'm going to munchkin, I'm going to multiclass sorcerer/monk, I'm going to create a new character, and I'm going to call him Wroth"
06:18 <Mekkis> so 4 out of five :)
06:42 <Falang> lol
12:27 <Mekkis> fast healing isn't a feat
13:13 <Falang> I realized that after I tried it
16:50 <Falang> that infernal healing is pretty sweet
18:47 <Mekkis> sure
18:51 <Mekkis> but it is situational
19:01 <Mekkis> for starters, it's very slow
20:07 <Falang> True enough but for a sorc, that's damn nice to have when people whine about needing healing post-battle
21:30 <Mekkis> I'm not saying it's not useful
21:36 <Mekkis> but don't try using it in-combat
22:01 <Mekkis> 1 round casting time is a bitch
22:03 <Falang> too busy trying not to get eaten or roasted alive for that
22:13 <Mekkis> I have seen it used to decent effect pre-combat
22:37 <Falang> oh, that's a good point.. essentially 1hp/round regeneration
23:25 <Mekkis> then again, I'm not convinced that in-combat healing is a good idea either :S
23:27 <niconorsk> And guaranteed stabilize if you go down
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31:20 <Falang> what's the best thing you guys use for working up and accessing character sheets, if not the website?
31:55 <Mekkis> I use LaTeX to handle mine, and use the text upload on the website
32:03 <Mekkis> I believe Avatar uses text upload too
33:15 <Falang> I found the automatic features to be very nice, saves me from making mistakes, like that +3 cs thing
33:27 <Falang> ...which it doesn't properly do.
33:50 <Mekkis> I find that you should never depend on automatic features, unless you fully understand them
37:49 <Mekkis> do you understand LaTeX?
39:41 <Falang> no, never had an excuse to use it, but I'm roughly aware of what it is from my IT days.
40:09 <Falang> I'm sure I could throw it on one of my linux systems and fiddle with it
42:27 <Falang> I've seen there's a couple of excel based things
42:54 <Mekkis> you shouldn't depend on automated sheets
43:31 <Falang> I won't, but if I want to toy around with numbers and character theories it saves a lot of time
43:37 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/deceased_sheet.tar.bz2
43:41 <Mekkis> that's what I use for my sheets
44:26 <Mekkis> to toy around, I use http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/ - for instance http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler/view.php?id=3
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