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08:07 <Akhaara> Haha, lizard fail
08:11 <Andvarie> 2 + 17?
08:19 <Ballig> yeah, and Carlos rolled a 19 perception
08:21 <Ballig> he only just saw it
08:25 <Andvarie> jeezux
08:30 <Andvarie> jeesus
08:44 <Ballig> after it jumped down the well it rolled a 17 on stealth, so you needed 34+ perception
08:57 <Ballig> and it has a racial +10 to DC for tracking it in subterranean terrain
09:03 <Ballig> and base DC for "firm ground" on survival is 15
09:08 <Ballig> so that makes 25 DC to survival to track it
09:17 <Mekkis> once you find the tracks
09:32 <Ballig> so you can call me a douchebag GM if you like, but it was all legitimate
09:47 <Avatar> I have heard of cases where players have successfully appealed
09:47 <Ballig> and I'd remind you that you didn't suffer any penalties for him getting away, he'd already surrendered the item you were after
09:53 <Ballig> you just didn't get to execute him in cold blood like you wanted to
09:57 <Akhaara> The douchebag wasn't towards you Ballig :P
09:58 <Andvarie> so im assuming its not very often that someone sees or catches the lizard in first steps 2
10:24 <Ballig> it's uncommon for the chameleon to even be seen, let alone captured, unless the GM screws something up
10:28 <Ballig> Akhaara: talking to Andvarie
11:03 <Akhaara> Dang Carlos and his dueling
11:07 <Ballig> also the chameleon usually jumps down the well after the second round
11:18 <Ballig> so if carlos hadn't gone up to him when he did, the chameleon would have escaped anyway on its turn
11:43 <Avatar> I think the duel was cool
11:44 <Andvarie> jeez
11:55 <Avatar> I have no idea how everyone ended up agreeing to it
12:03 <Andvarie> so its not often that someone sees, nonetheless kills the lizard?
12:13 <Ballig> there are ways
12:14 <Avatar> listening to that kind of advice will lose you missions
12:16 <Ballig> but it's not common in open combat like that
12:39 <Ballig> I'm surprised Carlos agreed to let the chameleon go first
12:53 <Ballig> when he said he was using resolve, I thought there was no chance the colour spray would work
15:00 <Andvarie> i was just gonna magic missile it
15:18 <Ballig> cold blooded killers
15:19 <Akhaara> Definitely shoulda killed it
15:23 <Ballig> why
15:23 <Andvarie> but the duel started, and i didnt think the dm would let me 
15:26 <Akhaara> Or stolen it's stuff
20:45 <Ballig> you stole most of his stuff
21:15 <Akhaara> So at level 11 as a Ranger, I would normally get my third attack and BAB bonuses. What if I got a +1 BAB from another class at level 11 and stayed at 10 on ranger? Would I receive the third attack from character levels? or does it require the consecutive levels in the class?
21:27 <Akhaara> Well that's good then lol, i thought it just got away
21:32 <Ballig> it's based on BAB, not levels
21:39 <Ballig> and BAB from those levels stack
21:46 <Akhaara> Oh sweet
21:59 <Akhaara> Because the level 11 and 12 feats for Ranger i'm not too interested in
22:10 <Akhaara> I think i mgiht go Fighter for the bonus feats, if it would work that way?
22:17 <Ballig> it would
22:40 <Akhaara> Well sweet, I'm planned out lol
35:14 <Akhaara> Fighters get so many feats, holy crap
35:28 <Ballig> yeah feats are a fighter's bread and butter
37:02 <Brunius-> Is that how fighters balance in pathfinder
40:05 <Ballig> they got just as many bonus feats in 3.5
40:33 <Ballig> but in Pathfinder they get some extra stuff, like armour and weapon training
41:35 <Akhaara> I feel like being a fighter with a bow is almost more effective than a ranger lol
41:55 <Ballig> you wouldn't be the first person to think so
42:08 <Ballig> we had a guy who used to play with us that ditched his ranger at like 4th level to re-make a fighter with a bow
42:55 <Akhaara> And the conclusion?
43:11 <Akhaara> I mean the extra things like favored enemy, animal companion, etc. they make up for it in my opinion
43:20 <Akhaara> But combat-wise, it seems quite effective
44:13 <Ballig> he preferred the fighter, but it's a matter of opinion
45:02 <Akhaara> True
47:12 <Akhaara> Animal companions are complicated lol
47:23 <Ballig> animal companions can be quite powerful
47:27 <Ballig> but they're like mini characters
49:21 <Akhaara> Yeah, I had a slight thought of getting a horse and learning mounted archer lol
55:47 <Ballig> mounted combat is complicated
55:58 <Akhaara> Is it?
56:11 <Akhaara> Oh well, i don't wanna be that complicated
56:21 <Akhaara> Plus if horsie dies I lose a feat or two lol
56:43 <Ballig> biggest issue you're going to have is size issues
56:49 <Ballig> a medium character on a horse is large
56:54 <Ballig> and there are maaaaany places you can't go when you're large
57:00 <Akhaara> so i'd be 4 squares big?
57:11 <Akhaara> Are there going to be larger areas we fight in?
57:20 <Ballig> sometimes
57:20 <Akhaara> The ones so far have been at max like 50 feet
57:21 <Ballig> usually not
57:42 <Akhaara> So my 100ft longbow won't normally get the full range
57:48 <Ballig> not normally
57:50 <Ballig> sometimes
58:08 <Akhaara> So is there a difference besides damage between shortbow and longbow?
58:17 <Akhaara> It seems there is no reason to use a shortbow
58:37 <Ballig> I think shortbow can be used mounted? but I think composite longbow can also be used mounted
59:08 <Akhaara> Ah, so no point, that's good
46:50 <Mekkis> Akhaara, rogues can use shortbows
48:54 <Akhaara> Oh, so as far as my ranger goes, it's useless
49:08 <Ballig> assuming you are proficient in both, there are few reasons to use shortbow
49:19 <Ballig> obviously if you're only proficient in the lesser one, that's all you've got to work with
49:24 <Ballig> it's similar to longbow versus crossbow
56:09 <spider21b> hey guys, how many race traits can you have?
56:24 <spider21b> just asking?
00:39 <Mekkis> one
04:11 <spider21b> and its not part of your traits in general?
04:31 <spider21b> like if spellbook as darkvision it wont effect how many traits i get?
18:12 <Avatar> darkvision as a racial trait has nothing to do with your traits
18:28 <Avatar> that is like asking if spellbook has darkvision as a racial trait, it won't affect how many hit points you have
18:40 <Avatar> traits and racial traits are completely different
19:06 <spider21b> o i see
19:12 <Avatar> darkvision is an alternate racial trait
19:17 <Avatar> it replaces low light vision and has some other penalties
19:46 <Avatar> spellbook is an elf isn't he
19:50 <spider21b> nope
20:01 <Avatar> what is he
20:17 <spider21b> aasimar
20:46 <spider21b> i was thinking of getting him pyrotechnics as a spell like ablity
20:54 <spider21b> but i only have one so idk
20:59 <Avatar> aasimars have darkvision by default
21:04 <spider21b> o they do?
21:10 <Mekkis> feel like getting a hernia?
21:25 <Avatar> yeah
21:31 <spider21b> sorry
21:48 <spider21b> so like all dwarfs have dark vision i get it
22:08 <spider21b> so where it says in the srd race traits i have it 
22:12 <spider21b> right?
22:19 <Mekkis> no
22:32 <spider21b> i am still confused then
22:36 <Mekkis> how about you read the books that you need to own to play the race
22:38 <Mekkis> ?
22:46 <spider21b> i have and i still dont get it
22:54 <spider21b> do i just pick one and thats it?
23:52 <Avatar> where are you reading the aasimar racial traits
24:00 <spider21b> yea
24:15 <Avatar> yeah what
24:38 <spider21b>  ost aasimars do not lmow exactly where their celestial powers came  �from, and the similar qualities of many such celestially touched beings  hint at a relatively indistinct or all-encompassing heavenly force in their  lineage. Some, however, possess more unique traits and abilities inherited  from their supernal forebears, attributes that hint at the precis
24:40 <spider21b> m
24:42 <spider21b> ost
24:51 <Avatar> where are you reading that
25:04 <spider21b> page 20
25:10 <Avatar> of what book
25:24 <spider21b> blood of angles
25:42 <spider21b> angels
26:22 <Avatar> check page 2
26:34 <Avatar> just before the contents page
26:34 <Mekkis> <?resources
26:35 <diebot> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
26:40 <Mekkis> check that page
26:59 <spider21b> o i see
27:04 <Avatar> you can't use anything on page 20
27:06 <Mekkis> notice that it doesn't say that that stuff is legal
27:10 <Mekkis> oh
27:21 <Mekkis> you also need to bring a copy of the Additional Resources with you :P
28:09 <spider21b> i see
28:18 <spider21b> so spell like ablity is gone?
28:29 <Mekkis> anyone want an ssd?
29:16 <spider21b> sigh soo many rules and then pfs breaks them
30:06 <Mekkis> keep it simple
33:02 <Avatar> what spell like ability
33:18 <Avatar> did you look at page 2
40:32 <Ballig> spider21b: PFS restricts some of the additional resources
40:37 <Ballig> to try and keep things as balanced as possible
40:53 <Ballig> it's the exact same thing that any GM does on a local scale whenever he runs a campaign - vetoes or allows certain resources into his game
40:58 <Ballig> but they have to do it on a global scale
51:30 <spider21b> true
53:51 <spider21b> so spell like ablity is gone so we cant use it then
54:10 <Ballig> I think it's admirable that they seem to assess every resource that is released to see what can and can't be included in PFS. they don't always get it right the first time (see: synthesists) but it's better than just a blanket "no resources beyond what we already have"
54:26 <Ballig> spell-like abilities aren't gone. but "alternative racial traits for aasimars" is not PFS-legal
54:35 <Ballig> check http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources and then search for "blood of angels"
54:41 <Ballig> that tells you what is legal. page 20 isn't listed as legal
54:50 <spider21b> i see
55:38 <spider21b> soo all of that i cant use
55:38 <Mekkis> Brunius-, want an SSD?
55:54 <Ballig> you can use what it says is legal
55:57 <Ballig> and can't use what it doesn't say is legal
55:58 <Brunius-> I'd love an ssd
56:07 <spider21b> ok
56:09 <Ballig> heritages are fine, variant aasimar abilities (what I assume your spell-like abilities on page 20 are) aren't
56:13 <Brunius-> Assuming that's what I think it is
56:19 <Ballig> I don't actually have a copy of Blood of Angels so I can't check for certain in your specific case
56:42 <spider21b> same deal with alternate stat +2?
56:55 <Ballig> is it part of the heritage?
57:03 <spider21b> yea
57:06 <Ballig> what page?
57:27 <spider21b> page 22
57:51 <Ballig> see no reason why it wouldn't be legal. "all heritages and associated traits on pages 21-23 are legal"
58:11 <spider21b> gotcha
58:15 <spider21b> ok just making sure
04:31 <Brunius-> I wonder if there's a ps 2 to Bluetooth connector
48:00 <Akhaara> Hey, bracers of armor +1 i got from the last scenario, is that just +1 AC?
50:38 <Ballig> you didn't get it, it was available for purchase
50:44 <Ballig> you don't automatically get the items listed on the chronicle sheets
50:50 <Ballig> they are just 'available for purchase' if you want to pay the listed price
03:46 <Akhaara> ah, i see
03:56 <Akhaara> so we didn't get any loot from it?
14:17 <Ballig> you just got the gold
14:24 <Ballig> basically the idea is that you brought everything back to the society, and they paid you a fair price
14:42 <Akhaara> ah
14:42 <Akhaara> okay
14:44 <Akhaara> So hey, my new character sheet wont save
14:48 <Akhaara> It's red
14:51 <Akhaara> And won't turn back green
15:17 <Ballig> go to http://www.pfrpg.com.au
15:20 <Ballig> are you signed in?
15:35 <Ballig> (don't leave the character sheet - stay on that page, open the main website in a new tab)
16:16 <Akhaara> Yeah i just signed in
16:22 <Ballig> now hit save and it will work
16:26 <Akhaara> and started recreating my character sheet
16:36 <Ballig> so you ARE signed in but it still fails?
17:55 <Akhaara> yeah
18:05 <Ballig> and you just now double checked that you're signed in?
19:19 <Akhaara> Hm, alright, i just retyped in my skill ranks and check turned it green again
19:22 <Akhaara> It worked
03:52 <Ballig> or maybe not really multiple of 6
04:01 <Ballig> any time subtracting 5 in steps will lead you back to 1 instead of under :p
04:21 <Ballig> so 6/1, 11/6/1, 16/11/6/1
04:54 <Ballig> I guess multiple of 5 +1
05:53 <Avatar> there's an ioun stone that gives +1 to initiative that I can afford
06:05 <Avatar> at 500gp, just enough for the amount of fame I have after today's game
07:44 <Ballig> ha
07:57 <Ballig> suddenly obsessed with initiative?
08:17 <Avatar> one character obsessed
09:09 <Ballig> I'm not sure what class my character should be
10:13 <Andvarie> druid
10:18 <Ballig> y
10:48 <Avatar> ninja
11:52 <Akhaara> Oh hey, Ranger's get spells at level 5. Do those count towards Arcane Archer?
12:54 <Ballig> they count for the requirements
13:10 <Akhaara> So I wouldn't need to cross-class with a caster anyway
13:11 <Ballig> and the spells per day would increase
13:15 <Ballig> nope
13:21 <Akhaara> oh well hell yeah lol
13:22 <Avatar> rangers get divine spells
13:25 <Avatar> not arcane spells
13:27 <Ballig> do they
13:30 <Akhaara> op
13:31 <Avatar> yeah
13:32 <Akhaara> sadface
13:35 <Ballig> that seems a bit of a misfire on arcane archer
13:40 <Akhaara> lol
13:51 <Ballig> "here's an archer-based prestige class! archers don't qualify!"
14:13 <Avatar> maybe they should have made the prestige class 'divine archer'
14:29 <Ballig> magic archer
14:30 <Ballig> :p
15:21 <Akhaara> So i got this planned out now lol
15:36 <Akhaara> Ranger til 5. Prob Summoner for a level, then Arcane
15:45 <Akhaara> I liked the Summoner's Eidolon
15:50 <Avatar> I can't work out what to put spell focus on
15:55 <Ballig> where is your 6th BAB coming from
16:18 <Ballig> also check magus
16:21 <Akhaara> +5 from ranger, and the +1 becoming Arcane?
16:39 <Avatar> not all classes get +1 BAB at first level
16:46 <Avatar> especially spellcasters
16:49 <Ballig> summoner doesn't give you +1 BAB
16:51 <Ballig> so you'd still be on 5 BAB
16:53 <Akhaara> None of them do
17:00 <Avatar> so you need 2 arcane levels
17:04 <Akhaara> So becoming the Arcane Archer and getting +1 doesn't count?
17:07 <Ballig> yeah not even Magus does
17:15 <Akhaara> I have to have it before even becoming
17:15 <Ballig> you have to have the 6 BAB before you qualify
17:24 <Akhaara> Ah dang
17:25 <Avatar> you need the pre-reqs before you take the prestige class
17:34 <Akhaara> Well I guess level 6 ranger + something
17:42 <Ballig> so your 8th level could be arcane archer
17:56 <Akhaara> meaning 5 levels of AA
17:56 <Ballig> if you went levels 1-5 ranger, levels 6-7 some arcane casting class
18:00 <Akhaara> Seems so limited lol
18:12 <Avatar> does spell focus illusion become useless once colour spray stops working
18:17 <Ballig> consider that the main rules are written with 20 levels in mind, not 12
18:25 <Akhaara> well level 6 ranger i could grab Rapid Shot as a combat style
18:37 <Ballig> Avatar: illusion can be powerful, but you have to be clever in how you use it
18:45 <Avatar> np, I am v.clever
18:56 <Ballig> yeah 6 levels of ranger and your 7th level in an arcane class would do it too wouldn't it
19:27 <Ballig> is there a ranger archetype that changes your spells to arcane
19:29 <Avatar> by level 8 you might change your mind about arcane archer
20:27 <Avatar> I can't see any standout schools for spell focus, except enchantment and maybe necromancy, both of which are my opposing schools
20:50 <Avatar> evocation maybe
21:03 <Ballig> transmutation !!
21:33 <Avatar> I am a transmuter but there's nothing at all there it would be useful for
21:39 <Avatar> slow ?
21:41 <Ballig> baleful polymorph
22:00 <Avatar> baleful polymorph actually doesn't appeal
22:11 <Ballig> you're a transmuter, of course it appeals
22:14 <Ballig> turn your enemies into a toad
22:23 <Avatar> anyway I don't get that until level 9
22:34 <Avatar> seems a poor choice for a 1st level feat
22:43 <Avatar> for a single spell !
23:15 <Avatar> illusion would be good for phantasmal killer later, I guess
23:33 <Ballig> rebuild into an illusionist
23:50 <Avatar> illusion powers are shit
24:03 <Ballig> except that whole "prepare illusion spells in your specialist wizard slot" bit
24:17 <Ballig> have you checked out the illusionist subschools
24:32 <Avatar> what subschools
24:48 <Ballig> sorry, "focused arcane schools"
24:49 <Ballig> in APG
25:25 <Ballig> there's one that lets you make a creature provoke AOOs from someone of your choice
25:50 <Ballig> and an aura at 8th level that makes people move at half speed, can't take AOOs, and are considered flanked
25:53 <Avatar> where the fuck did these come from
28:58 <Ballig> they've always been around
29:00 <Ballig> Jax uses one
32:17 <Ballig> maybe Vor'daru should be a gunslinger !
32:36 <Avatar> get a blunderbuss
34:59 <Avatar> foresight school has a reroll ability
35:05 <Avatar> is that the one mekkis uses
41:04 <Ballig> that lets you cast from a scroll without using up the scroll?
42:20 <Ballig> I will get a blunderbuss and call my character Blunderbuss
43:01 <Avatar> you roll a d20 if you want to have a potential second chance at a roll
43:32 <Avatar> with 3+int uses per day if you decide to use that ability
44:07 <Ballig> where do scrolls come in
44:36 <Ballig> yeah he has a character that uses foresight I believe
23:32 <BlazeShaman> hello!
26:02 <BlazeShaman> Anyone here?
26:12 <Ballig> sup
26:16 <BlazeShaman> oh hi
26:34 <BlazeShaman> how'd the game go earlier?
27:27 <Ballig> went fine, people had fun
27:59 <BlazeShaman> I would've played, but sadly dinner would've interrupted, and I didnt have control over its timing
28:48 <Ballig> you could have killed everyone in your household
28:52 <Ballig> then you could have dinner whenever you wanted !
29:57 <BlazeShaman> DAMN
30:03 <BlazeShaman> why do you come up with the good ideas too late?
30:09 <BlazeShaman> sigh
30:13 <BlazeShaman> Next time, I guess
31:07 <BlazeShaman> mekkis was talking about running fs3 tomorrow - do you know if he decided to do it or not?
32:03 <Ballig> no idea
32:57 <BlazeShaman> k
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25:04 <Avatar> secretly you like dicebot groping you
25:14 <ANSeranov> Lewd.
26:15 <Avatar> ya
26:18 <Avatar> think about it
28:41 <Sutekh> What I dont get is that dicebot is telling me to sign up for games on days that have long gone!
28:46 <Sutekh> Get with the program Dicebot!~
29:19 <Ballig> is it
29:24 <Ballig> that's the first time anyone's ever mentioned it
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53:29 <Avatar> still can't believe how badly built my old wizard was
58:52 <Ballig> like wh at
59:31 <Avatar> he had a butterfly net
59:34 <Avatar> 2 useless traits
59:51 <Avatar> 2 ranks in craft
59:54 <Ballig> you thought a butterfly net did more than it did
59:56 <Ballig> because you skimmed !
00:13 <Avatar> no alternate racial traits
00:23 <Ballig> I've never taken an alternate racial trait
00:23 <Avatar> when elves seem to have like 50 good ones
00:26 <Ballig> does that mean all my characters are badly built
00:30 <Avatar> what race do you normally take
00:38 <Ballig> I think my wizard might be elf
00:45 <Avatar> then yeah badly built
00:51 <Ballig> terrible logic
00:51 <Ballig> :p
00:53 <Ballig> what traits?
00:57 <Avatar> for instance, wouldn't you like the run feat for free?
01:17 <Ballig> not really
01:19 <Ballig> how often do I run
01:25 <Ballig> I don't think my characters have ever really run
01:29 <Avatar> never
01:30 <Ballig> unless it's been scripted into a scenario
01:32 <Avatar> because you don't have the run feat
01:40 <Ballig> you have to run in a straight line
01:40 <Avatar> see what I mean
01:44 <Avatar> yeah
01:48 <Ballig> how often do you have a straight line
01:57 <Avatar> not only that
02:01 <Ballig> if my wizard wants to run he'll cast expeditious retreat
02:04 <Avatar> but you can run at 4x your normal speed without run right
02:15 <Avatar> your normal speed is usually 30ft, esp for an elf
02:19 <Avatar> so 120ft normally
02:27 <Avatar> how often do you have 120ft of movement on your map ?
02:34 <Ballig> exactly
02:40 <Avatar> exped retreat is a standard action
02:45 <Avatar> you wouldn't be able to run till your next turn
02:50 <Ballig> who said running
02:53 <Avatar> run actually got buffed in pathfinder
02:53 <Ballig> standard action then move
02:54 <Avatar> did you know
02:57 <Ballig> you still move 60 feet that round
03:01 <Ballig> and 120 feet every round after that
03:14 <Avatar> but I can run 150ft in that first round
03:20 <Avatar> I will already be miles ahead !!
03:22 <Ballig> I can turn corners
03:23 <Avatar> miles !
03:24 <Ballig> and go around obstacles
03:30 <Avatar> I can turn corners too.
03:35 <Ballig> not while running
03:43 <Avatar> you're not thinking 4th dimensionally
03:45 <ANSeranov> I've never seen anyone use the run action. Ever.
03:59 <Ballig> the 4th dimension is time
04:01 <Ballig> what's that got to do with it
04:09 <Avatar> because you will run 60ft
04:14 <Avatar> I will run 80ft
04:17 <Avatar> then turn
04:20 <Avatar> then next action I will 150ft
04:21 <Ballig> running is full round
04:22 <Ballig> you have to stop
04:26 <Ballig> and then run the other direction next round
04:28 <Avatar> and you will just run 120ft around that corner I turned
04:36 <Avatar> but I will be 150ft and you will be miles behind
04:45 <Ballig> your way is clearly crap
04:48 <Avatar> I mean you can do the maths
04:50 <Avatar> but I will be ahead
04:53 <Avatar> + you will be behind
04:54 <Ballig> and you have to waste a racial trait on it
04:58 <Ballig> that is badly built
05:05 <Avatar> it also gives +2 to initiative
05:07 <Avatar> so I win
05:13 <Ballig> badly built
05:16 <Avatar> actually uh
05:20 <Avatar> I can run without provoking AoOs
05:39 <Ballig> but if any creature is in your way, you can't get anywhere
05:41 <Ballig> I can just walk around
05:42 <Avatar> wait that's not right
05:49 <Avatar> I can run and retain dex to AC
06:05 <Ballig> expeditious retreat doesn't lose dex to AC either !
06:11 <ANSeranov> I'm gonna be honest, I can't even begin to imagine why you'd need a run action. Where are you fighting things that you need more than 30-40 feet of move speed that you can afford to burn it on things other than spells or whatever?
06:23 <Avatar> oh it happens
06:30 <Ballig> run is rarely ever used, especially in PFS
06:32 <Avatar> I gave up uh
06:34 <Ballig> unless it's been scripted into the scenario
06:35 <Avatar> elven immunities and elven magic for it
06:41 <Ballig> you gave up elven immunities?
06:44 <Ballig> holy crap, talk about badly built
06:49 <Ballig> elven timmunities is the main reason to be an elf
06:58 <Avatar> wait that's not right
06:59 <ANSeranov> I would find immunity to sleep to be way better than +2 init and running.
07:03 <Avatar> I gave up elven immunities and weapon familiarity
07:11 <ANSeranov> But I don't play dirty knife-ears
07:13 <Avatar> I have never seen anyone ever cast sleep on us
07:17 <Ballig> weapon familiarity is no loss, but elven immunities is
07:20 <Ballig> I have
07:30 <Ballig> I've seen sleep be cast more often than I've seen people use the run action
07:46 <Avatar> have you seen sleep be cast more often than when you've needed +2 to initiative?
07:57 <Ballig> hell, there's the fact that an elf is immune to a ghoul's paralysis
07:59 <Ballig> if they have eleven immunities
08:00 <Avatar> <loaded question>
08:10 <Ballig> how many times have you seen a ghoul paralyse
08:15 <Ballig> the answer is: a lot
08:30 <Avatar> what does paralysis have to do with it
08:39 <Ballig> an elf is immune to ghoul paralysis, if they have elven immunities
08:44 <Ballig> you gave up your immunity to a ghoul's paralysis
09:18 <Ballig> but it's okay, because you can run a little faster!
09:22 <Ballig> just not while you're being eaten by a ghoul!
09:22 <Ballig> :p
09:30 <Avatar> that's not true
09:37 <Avatar> immune to sleep effects
09:40 <Avatar> paralysis isn't a sleep effect
09:42 <Ballig> read the ghoul entry
10:04 <Avatar> well shit
10:09 <Avatar> wait 
10:11 <Avatar> that says elves
10:16 <Avatar> not elven immunities
10:20 <Ballig> you gave up your immunity
10:27 <Avatar> immunity to sleep
10:32 <Ballig> you gave up Elven Immunity
10:40 <Ballig> that will absolutely include immunity to ghoul paralysis
10:48 <Avatar> I gave up my elven immunity to sleep
10:54 <Ballig> you gave up Elven Immunity
10:54 <Avatar> that doesn't say elven immunities
10:58 <Ballig> which in the core rulebook only mentions sleep
11:02 <Ballig> but in the bestiary mentions ghoul paralysis
11:12 <Avatar> you are assuming that
11:26 <Ballig> it's absolutely how I would rule
11:35 <Avatar> you can't assume elven immunity to sleep and resistance to enchantment also includes the ghoul's paralysis when it says elves are immune to paralysis
11:47 <Ballig> that's how I would assume it as a GM
11:53 <Avatar> I will get a messageboard ruling
12:07 <Ballig> no you will get messageboard opinions
12:11 <Ballig> the likelihood of getting an actual ruling is low
12:22 <Avatar> that sounds like you just don't want me to get an answer
13:21 <Ballig> what's the name of the alternative racial trait you got?
13:35 <Avatar> fleet footed
13:41 <Avatar> the word fleet caught my eye
14:13 <Ballig> is that what it's actually called
17:11 <Avatar> yeah
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24:07 <Avatar> ok posted
24:09 <Avatar> we'll see what happens
24:13 <Avatar> keep your eyes peeled
24:21 <Ballig> I bet you loaded the question
24:57 <Avatar> no I was quite objective
25:05 <Avatar> perhaps I should have loaded it
25:08 <Avatar> I didn't think of that
25:21 <Ballig> you will have loaded it anyway
25:39 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pc2o?Elven-Immunities-trait-and-ghouls-paralysis
25:45 <Avatar> add your 2c
26:20 <Ballig> in your own question you said "The wording in both rulebooks suggests the racial trait doesn't matter"
26:22 <Ballig> that's not objective
26:28 <Avatar> it is objective
26:33 <Ballig> it's a clear opinion
26:36 <Ballig> weighting your question
26:41 <Ballig> "loading it", one might say
26:44 <Avatar> add your 2c then
26:53 <Ballig> doesn't change the fact you loaded your question
27:03 <Avatar> it sounds weighted because that's the way it is
27:11 <Ballig> yeah, because it's weighted
27:13 <Ballig> exactly
27:30 <Avatar> I'm not going to try as hard as I can to argue it in a way that it's not
27:35 <Avatar> that isn't objective
27:49 <Ballig> objective is not taking a stance either way
27:57 <Avatar> and I am not
28:07 <Ballig> your last line is full of opinion
28:17 <Avatar> no it's not
28:19 <Ballig> yes it is
28:29 <Ballig> you didn't say "These are the facts, please give me your opinion"
28:39 <Ballig> you said "These are the facts, here is my opinion, some more opinion, do you agree with my opinions?"
28:40 <Avatar> you just said you don't want opinions
28:51 <Ballig> every response is going to be opinions
28:53 <Avatar> very grass is greener ballig
28:55 <Ballig> unless it's from someone who can make a ruling
28:56 <Avatar> very grass is greener
29:02 <Ballig> that doesn't even make sense
29:06 <Ballig> where's the grass that is greener?
29:26 <Avatar> you want a ruling instead of opinions, now you want more opinions
29:37 <Ballig> where's the fence?
29:48 <Avatar> who cares where the fence is
29:51 <Avatar> add your 2c 
29:53 <Avatar> that's where the fence is
29:54 <Ballig> "grass is greener" would only apply if I was saying we should be playing some other system
30:05 <Avatar> you don't even have to be objective
30:14 <Ballig> every response is going to be an opinion, there's no way around that
30:21 <Ballig> the only way for a response to be anything else is if it is from someone who can make a ruling
30:25 <Ballig> e.g. a developer
30:30 <Avatar> how do you think you get rulings
30:38 <Ballig> from someone who has the authority to make a ruling
30:50 <Avatar> how do you start to get it though
30:53 <Ballig> for PFS specific things that is Mike Brock and some developers
30:57 <Ballig> in regular Pathfinder it's developers
31:03 <Ballig> everyone else is opinion
31:09 <Ballig> so you can't say "I'm going to get a messageboard ruling"
31:12 <Ballig> because that's not what you're doing
31:16 <Ballig> you're getting messageboard opinions
31:20 <Avatar> how do you start to get it though
31:21 <Ballig> and maybe, if yo u're very lucky, you'll get a ruling out of it
31:23 <Ballig> but most likely not
31:33 <Avatar> well aren't you mr optimistic
31:44 <Ballig> mr realistic
31:53 <Avatar> that's what the pessimists say ballig
31:56 <Avatar> that's what the pessimists say
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32:09 <Ballig> a pessimist wouldn't leave open the possibility of getting a ruling at all
32:17 <Avatar> we can always just get a ruling from a VC if it comes to that
32:44 <Ballig> it's not PFS-specific
33:23 <Avatar> that doesn't matter
36:45 <Ballig> where does it say VCs can make overall Pathfinder rules rulings?
39:17 <Avatar> let's ask a VC about that as well if it comes to that
39:42 <Ballig> so the answer to my question is "it doesn't say that anywhere"?
39:44 <Avatar> actually it turns out you can't make any rulings, is that true?
40:03 <Avatar> I don't know where it says it, but we all know they do
40:20 <Ballig> "any rulings" and "non-PFS-specific rules rulings" are different things
40:25 <Ballig> you are just loading questions again
40:46 <Avatar> I mean if we want to get technical, where does it say in elven immunities that it includes immunity to ghoul's paralysis
40:57 <Ballig> it's open to GM interpretation
41:05 <Ballig> and it's a perfectly logical interpretation to make
41:15 <Avatar> so is a VC ruling
41:49 <Ballig> now you're clutching at straws
42:14 <Avatar> you're clutching at straws
42:25 <Ballig> if anyone is clutching at straws, it's you
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44:08 <Avatar> me and that other guy who replied saying I'm right about elven immunities 
44:22 <Ballig> that guy who agrees with your opinion
44:32 <Avatar> yeah
44:37 <Ballig> that doesn't make you right
44:44 <Avatar> semantics again
47:50 <Ballig> the whole game is semantics
49:05 <Ballig> second response says that the rules can reasonably be interpreted in my favour
49:11 <Ballig> third response completely agrees with me 100%!
52:38 <Avatar> so does the 4th guy hmmm
53:11 <Ballig> there is no 4th guy
53:17 <Ballig> I'm not including you when I count
53:26 <Avatar> you said the third response
53:30 <Ballig> yeah, response to you
53:33 <Ballig> so that doesn't count you
53:40 <Avatar> oh right 
53:46 <Ballig> first response is cwslyclgh, second response is Darksol, etc
53:47 <Avatar> I was including me
53:48 <Avatar> so there is a 4th guy
53:58 <Ballig> the 4th guy is a jerk
00:54 <Avatar> there are some pretty cool wondrous items submitted to rpg superstar
01:18 <Avatar> some pretty bad ones too
01:23 <Ballig> does cool mean overpowered?
01:27 <Ballig> I still liked the item I submitted a year or two ago
01:31 <Avatar> bad means overpowered
01:36 <Avatar> you should have resubmitted it
01:43 <Ballig> it didn't even get a look-in last time
01:44 <Ballig> so I didn't bother
01:54 <Avatar> users are voting them in this year
02:06 <Ballig> oh
02:07 <Ballig> oh well
02:20 <Avatar> I forget what it was, and you're not supposed to talk about what you're submitting
02:24 <Avatar> so I won't ask you to remind me :P
02:41 <Ballig> isn't the submission period over
02:43 <Avatar> I saw one wondrous item that cost like 270,000gp
02:52 <Avatar> yeah but they'll do it again next year
03:01 <Ballig> I don't even know if I still have the info
03:02 <Avatar> my guess is we'll still be playing next year
03:10 <Avatar> plenty of time to find it then
03:17 <Ballig> I won't remember by then
03:27 <Avatar> this year the shortlisted people get to design an archetype
03:36 <Avatar> that will be cool to look at
03:51 <Ballig> I can't remember what they had to do last time
03:57 <Ballig> I know it was wondrous item, then something else, then a scenario
04:04 <Avatar> only the wondrous items are being voted on, but users creating an archetype, surely they can't fuck that up
04:14 <Ballig> unless it's Synthesist 2.0
04:18 <Avatar> creating and competing against each other for the best
04:25 <Avatar> a fixed synthesist would be good
04:36 <Ballig> a master summoner that wasn't banned in PFS would be good
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04:50 <Ballig> basically an archetype that let you use the summon monster of the summoner
05:34 <Avatar> do they end up putting all the winning entries in the game
05:39 <Avatar> or just the winner's entries
06:07 <Ballig> dunno
06:10 <Ballig> I think runners up might get in
06:26 <Avatar> but like, do all 32 wondrous items go in
06:34 <Avatar> oh
06:35 <Avatar> yeah
07:12 <spellbook> hey everyone
07:32 <Avatar> hi spellbook
07:34 <spellbook> hey avatar you know i  switched my spells out so maybe 
07:35 <Avatar> is that your new permanent name
07:41 spellbook is now known as spider21b
07:45 <spider21b> sigh
07:53 <Ballig> sigh
08:05 <spider21b> xd
08:09 <Ballig> dx
08:09 <spider21b> fine 
08:17 spider21b is now known as spellbook
08:20 <spellbook> happy?
08:45 <spellbook> btw, did we get the sheet for the game?
08:55 <Ballig> I emailed you the link
12:10 <Ballig> also I was just mimicing you, I wasn't suggesting you change your nick back to spellbook
12:44 <Mekkis> Ballig, I don't see why you couldn't make an effective summoner who focused on using the Summon Monster SLAs... (and spells...)
13:17 <Avatar> it's poor form to stay in character when you're not in character, spider
13:21 <Ballig> I'm tempted to do it, I'm just not certain it would be competitive
14:01 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know whether you scale down with 5 people on a season 4 scenario?
14:06 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure it'd be competitive enough... Itzamna has played scenarios without using his eidolon at all.
14:09 <Mekkis> Avatar, you don't.
14:40 <Ballig> so you have an incentive not to have a 5th player
14:51 <spellbook> yea i got it
14:52 <Avatar> yeah
14:58 <Mekkis> (He doesn't bring out his eidolon if it'd be socially unacceptable - and he also hasn't taken Augment Summoning)
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15:10 <Mekkis> Ballig, not really. The scaling is pretty... unbalanced...
15:41 <Mekkis> it's generally "rather than fighting BBEG + 3 minions, you're fighting BBEG + 2 minions"
15:51 <Mekkis> it doesn't make the BBEG any weaker
16:11 <Avatar> if both items in the voting look similarly good, then I tend to vote for whatever is cheaper
16:12 <spider21b> true
16:28 <Avatar> a 20,000gp item is worse than a 2,000gp that seems just as good
16:32 <Ballig> so you shouldn't play a season 4 scenario with less than 6 players?
16:56 <Mekkis> you shouldn't turn away a 5th player for a season 4 scenario
16:58 <Avatar> how many did we have when we played sanos abduction
17:04 <Mekkis> 5 or 6
17:05 <Mekkis> iirc
17:08 <Mekkis> six I think
17:12 <Ballig> ah but it seems the players have an incentive to turn away a 5th player
17:23 <spider21b> hey avatar next level with spellbook should i muiltclass or not?
17:33 <Avatar> your choice spider
17:34 <Ballig> multiclass as a wizard
17:40 <spider21b> yea
17:53 <Ballig> and then level 3 multiclass as bard
17:53 <Avatar> what would you multiclass to
18:10 <Mekkis> what I mean is that the increase in difficulty when a 5th player comes along is more than compensated by the fact that there's a 5th player.
18:12 <spider21b> i was thinking ranger
18:25 <Mekkis> spider21b, in general, don't multiclass
18:48 <Ballig> unless it's a cavalier multiclassing as fighter
18:49 <Avatar> do you have an ability set which suits ranger
18:50 <Ballig> because cavalier is shit
18:59 <spider21b> xd
19:16 <spider21b> avatar mostly i was thinking dex
20:10 <Avatar> what's your whole point buy
21:37 <spider21b> 	STR		12		 DEX	17			 CON		14		 INT	15			 WIS		10		 CHA	12  i am a Aasimars(Emberkin)		
21:49 <spider21b> +2 to int and cha
22:11 <Avatar> doable
22:14 <Mekkis> what book is that from?
22:17 <spider21b> +1 to dex from being a Transmutation wisard
23:05 <Avatar> dex is probably the worst spot to put that extra point
23:18 <Avatar> str will increase your carrying capacity and con will increase your death point
23:24 <Avatar> dex does nothing at 17
23:36 <Avatar> at best if you get hit for 1 dex damage, nothing happens
24:30 <spider21b> true
24:33 <Avatar> you can change that whenever you prep spells, so it's not a huge deal
24:33 <Avatar> but keep it in mind
25:07 <spider21b> the book of the blood of angles is the book
25:14 <Ballig> could get you some more point buy if you reduced your base dex to 15
25:18 <Ballig> and then increased it to 16 each day
26:02 <Ballig> you aren't using a variant asimar ability are you
26:24 <spider21b> no i didn't put it down yet
26:34 <Ballig> is emberkin a heritage?
26:39 <spider21b> yea
27:06 <Mekkis> yes
27:14 <Mekkis> spider21b, in Blood of Angels, what page is it on?
28:44 <spider21b> page 23
28:55 <Mekkis> you sure?
29:00 <Avatar> what do you guys feel about taking 10 on checks that scenarios ask for a DC 10 knowledge check
29:02 <spider21b> yep
29:22 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'd allow it if it's trained
29:35 <Avatar> but not if it's untrained?
29:38 <Mekkis> no
29:45 <Avatar> is that part of the rule of taking 10
29:55 <Mekkis> not to my knowledge
31:26 <Ballig> did you roll on that knowledge
31:35 <Mekkis> no. I took 10
32:46 <Mekkis> would I be able to buy a lesser metamagic Consecrete rod?
32:49 <Mekkis> in PFS?
33:49 <Ballig> consecrate is a metamagic feat?
33:53 <Mekkis> yeah
33:59 <Mekkis> in Blood of Angels
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34:16 <Ballig> does that rod exist in blood of angels?
34:26 <Mekkis> I don't think so
34:47 <Ballig> I'm not seeing it in Ultimate Equipment
34:49 <Ballig> I would say that it's not PFS legal
35:19 <Ballig> but if you can find a PFS legal way to buy metamagic rods that aren't explicitly listed in a source, do let me know
35:34 <Mekkis> UE does say "Metamagic rod, +2 spell level, lesser"
35:47 <Mekkis> in table 4-2
35:54 <ANSeranov> Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
36:43 <ANSeranov> I want to make a ranged character, because all my other are melee.
36:51 <ANSeranov> But I can't think of what I would want to play.
37:01 <Mekkis> archer paladin
37:30 <ANSeranov> Played one before, was okay but not really what I'm looking for.
37:37 <ANSeranov> I don't really want an archer
37:49 <ANSeranov> Maybe a blaster or something. Alchemist? I don't know.
37:50 <spider21b> hum gunslinger?
38:00 <Mekkis> alchemist works
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38:51 <Ballig> assuming you can buy the +spell level metamagic rods in PFS, could you do that with heighten spell? which one would you buy? would that limit how high you could heighten the spell?
39:32 <Mekkis> not sure. Heightened spell has numerous unanswered questions
39:39 <Mekkis> !feat heighten spell
39:41 <diebot> Mekkis, HEIGHTEN SPELL [Metamagic] You can cast spells as if they were a higher level.
39:42 <diebot> Benefit:  A heightened spell has a higher spell level than normal (up to a maximum of 9th level). Unlike other metamagic feats, Heighten Spell actually increases the effective level of the spell that it modifies. All effects dependent on spell level (such as saving throw DCs and ability to penetrate a lesser globe of invulnerability) are
39:42 <diebot> calculated according to the heightened level. The heightened spell is as difficult to prepare and cast as a spell of its effective level.  Source: Core
40:06 <desdinova> Hello
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40:27 <Mekkis> eg. If I heighten an empowered fireball in a 6th level spell slot, and have 20 int, what's the save DC?
40:43 <desdinova> I'm looking for a place to play a pathfinder campaign online since I can't find any people in person
40:59 <Wrothmonk> well this is pathfinder society.
41:13 <desdinova> Oh so that's like
41:19 <desdinova> one-offs with persistent characters?
41:27 <Wrothmonk> Yeah kinda
41:38 <Ballig> why does the heighten or empower change the save?
41:42 <Wrothmonk> But its still normal campaigns
41:45 <Ballig> well I guess heighten would
41:51 <desdinova> Right
42:00 <Wrothmonk> Just a fixed set of rules, you can't take rules from any of the books except the core one.
42:21 <Ballig> but I'm not seeing the trick to this question
42:30 <desdinova> oh
42:45 <Wrothmonk> Just follow the sites getting started guide under played pathfinder.
42:47 <desdinova> races restricted to core races then?
42:56 <Ballig> you mean does heighten apply before or after the spell level change from empower?
43:02 <Wrothmonk> No, races are available from other books
43:06 <Mekkis> either you treat the fireball as a 4th level spell, and it has a DC of 19, or you treat it as a 6th level spell, and it has a DC of 21.
43:08 <desdinova> Ojh
43:09 <desdinova> *oh
43:13 <Wrothmonk> I meant that rules that effect combat
43:18 <desdinova> so I can use a goblin gunslinger I built?
43:20 <Wrothmonk> called shots, stuff like that.
43:22 <Wrothmonk> No
43:35 <desdinova> beacuse gunslinger isn't a core class?
43:42 <Wrothmonk> No
43:45 <Wrothmonk> you can be gunslinger
43:49 <Mekkis> given that heighten says " The heightened spell is as difficult to prepare and cast as a spell of its effective level.", I would think the latter
43:54 <desdinova> Just not a goblin
43:55 <Wrothmonk> not a goblin unless you play a certain campaign
43:58 <desdinova> Okay
44:07 <Ballig> I think the rules are not explicit on it, but I know how I'd rule
44:11 <Mekkis> but I accept that it's unclear
44:38 <Wrothmonk> you will want to go here: http://pfrpg.com.au/newbie_guide.htm and click on played pathfinder rpg
45:01 <Mekkis> the follow-on question is: I have a lesser rod of maximise, and I want to use it on my empowered fireball. Would this work?
47:03 <Mekkis> UE specifies that Lesser rods can be used with spells of 3rd level or lower.
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48:18 <Ballig> yeah that's in the CRB too
48:48 <Ballig> I would probably say, for the metamagic rods, that it says "spells of Xth level" but not "spells prepared in an Xth level slot"
49:24 <Mekkis> what about a heightened fireball in a 4th level slot
50:36 <Ballig> I believe it could be interpreted that Heighten Spell actually changes the level of the spell
50:42 <Mekkis> (the MTG part of my brain wants to argue that Heighten Spell increases the /effective level/ and increases /effects dependent on spell level/, but Pathfinder isn't based around such strict rules interpretations)
50:55 <Avatar> some joker pointed out that half-elves could be involved as well
51:23 <Ballig> is it coincidence that half-elves have elven immunities
51:36 <Avatar> oh they do too
52:25 <Ballig> so far it seems to me the consensus is "open to GM interpretation"
58:02 <Mekkis> collapse the waveform and post on the boards
58:36 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pc2o?Elven-Immunities-trait-and-ghouls-paralysis
58:40 <Ballig> yeah he did
59:59 <Avatar> there's only one other guy who suggests elven immunities might be related
00:33 <Ballig> so it sounds like that you might only run into a few GMs who rule against you on it
00:37 <Ballig> doesn't mean it won't happen
01:05 <Avatar> it will happen if you have anything to do with it
01:20 <Ballig> because I'm one of the ones who would rule against you
01:33 <Avatar> if you do I will just appeal the session :P
01:35 <Ballig> as far as I'm concerned you don't lose elven immunities and then still get to be immune to something based on being an elf
01:48 <Ballig> unless there's some good secondary reasoning behind it
01:57 <Avatar> I read something that suggested hitting people on the ground is completely kosher
02:10 <Ballig> there is no rule against it
02:31 <Avatar> it's pretty harsh
02:54 <Akhaara> Hey, how often do we get another ability point?
03:01 <Avatar> every 4 levels
03:17 <Avatar> 4th, 8th, 12th
03:40 <ANSeranov> ...Alright, fuck it. Time to make a Tiefling Alchemist.
03:45 <Akhaara> alrighty cool, I think imma stick with ranger and not do arcane, the level limitation is to hard to get past lol
04:53 <Ballig> Avatar: we both know how it would go if you appeal it. paizo will just say that the GM is allowed to interpret the rules
05:21 <Ballig> GMs are apparently allowed to completely disregard all sorts of things and kill players and it's okay
06:25 <Akhaara> Douchebag GMs? "Siwmae slips and falls off the mountain, reflex save of 26+ to survive"
07:07 <Andvarie> Lizard escapes into the well, perception of 35+ or survival of 25+ to catch it
07:17 <Ballig> that was legitimate
07:18 <Ballig> sorry to say
07:23 <Ballig> +17 to stealth
07:31 <Ballig> the only reason you guys saw it to begin with was that it rolled a 2 on its original stealth
07:37 <Ballig> it was a chameleon that could change colour to its surroundings
07:40 <Akhaara> Haha, lizard fail
07:45 <Andvarie> 2 + 17?
07:52 <Ballig> yeah, and Carlos rolled a 19 perception
07:54 <Ballig> he only just saw it
07:58 <Andvarie> jeezux
08:03 <Andvarie> jeesus
08:17 <Ballig> after it jumped down the well it rolled a 17 on stealth, so you needed 34+ perception
08:30 <Ballig> and it has a racial +10 to DC for tracking it in subterranean terrain
08:37 <Ballig> and base DC for "firm ground" on survival is 15
08:41 <Ballig> so that makes 25 DC to survival to track it
08:50 <Mekkis> once you find the tracks
09:05 <Ballig> so you can call me a douchebag GM if you like, but it was all legitimate
09:20 <Avatar> I have heard of cases where players have successfully appealed
09:21 <Ballig> and I'd remind you that you didn't suffer any penalties for him getting away, he'd already surrendered the item you were after
09:26 <Ballig> you just didn't get to execute him in cold blood like you wanted to
09:30 <Akhaara> The douchebag wasn't towards you Ballig :P
09:31 <Andvarie> so im assuming its not very often that someone sees or catches the lizard in first steps 2
09:57 <Ballig> it's uncommon for the chameleon to even be seen, let alone captured, unless the GM screws something up
10:01 <Ballig> Akhaara: talking to Andvarie
10:36 <Akhaara> Dang Carlos and his dueling
10:40 <Ballig> also the chameleon usually jumps down the well after the second round
10:52 <Ballig> so if carlos hadn't gone up to him when he did, the chameleon would have escaped anyway on its turn
11:16 <Avatar> I think the duel was cool
11:17 <Andvarie> jeez
11:28 <Avatar> I have no idea how everyone ended up agreeing to it
11:36 <Andvarie> so its not often that someone sees, nonetheless kills the lizard?
11:46 <Ballig> there are ways
11:48 <Avatar> listening to that kind of advice will lose you missions
11:49 <Ballig> but it's not common in open combat like that
12:12 <Ballig> I'm surprised Carlos agreed to let the chameleon go first
12:26 <Ballig> when he said he was using resolve, I thought there was no chance the colour spray would work
12:45 <spellbook> hi
12:53 <Wrothmonk> hello
14:33 <Andvarie> i was just gonna magic missile it
14:51 <Ballig> cold blooded killers
14:52 <Akhaara> Definitely shoulda killed it
14:57 <Ballig> why
14:57 <Andvarie> but the duel started, and i didnt think the dm would let me 
14:59 <Akhaara> Or stolen it's stuff
20:18 <Ballig> you stole most of his stuff
20:49 <Akhaara> So at level 11 as a Ranger, I would normally get my third attack and BAB bonuses. What if I got a +1 BAB from another class at level 11 and stayed at 10 on ranger? Would I receive the third attack from character levels? or does it require the consecutive levels in the class?
21:00 <Akhaara> Well that's good then lol, i thought it just got away
21:06 <Ballig> it's based on BAB, not levels
21:12 <Ballig> and BAB from those levels stack
21:19 <Akhaara> Oh sweet
21:33 <Akhaara> Because the level 11 and 12 feats for Ranger i'm not too interested in
21:44 <Akhaara> I think i mgiht go Fighter for the bonus feats, if it would work that way?
21:50 <Ballig> it would
22:13 <Akhaara> Well sweet, I'm planned out lol
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34:47 <Akhaara> Fighters get so many feats, holy crap
35:02 <Ballig> yeah feats are a fighter's bread and butter
36:35 <Brunius-> Is that how fighters balance in pathfinder
39:38 <Ballig> they got just as many bonus feats in 3.5
40:06 <Ballig> but in Pathfinder they get some extra stuff, like armour and weapon training
41:08 <Akhaara> I feel like being a fighter with a bow is almost more effective than a ranger lol
41:28 <Ballig> you wouldn't be the first person to think so
41:42 <Ballig> we had a guy who used to play with us that ditched his ranger at like 4th level to re-make a fighter with a bow
42:28 <Akhaara> And the conclusion?
42:44 <Akhaara> I mean the extra things like favored enemy, animal companion, etc. they make up for it in my opinion
42:53 <Akhaara> But combat-wise, it seems quite effective
43:47 <Ballig> he preferred the fighter, but it's a matter of opinion
44:35 <Akhaara> True
46:45 <Akhaara> Animal companions are complicated lol
46:56 <Ballig> animal companions can be quite powerful
47:00 <Ballig> but they're like mini characters
48:54 <Akhaara> Yeah, I had a slight thought of getting a horse and learning mounted archer lol
55:20 <Ballig> mounted combat is complicated
55:31 <Akhaara> Is it?
55:45 <Akhaara> Oh well, i don't wanna be that complicated
55:55 <Akhaara> Plus if horsie dies I lose a feat or two lol
56:16 <Ballig> biggest issue you're going to have is size issues
56:22 <Ballig> a medium character on a horse is large
56:27 <Ballig> and there are maaaaany places you can't go when you're large
56:33 <Akhaara> so i'd be 4 squares big?
56:44 <Akhaara> Are there going to be larger areas we fight in?
56:53 <Ballig> sometimes
56:54 <Akhaara> The ones so far have been at max like 50 feet
56:54 <Ballig> usually not
57:15 <Akhaara> So my 100ft longbow won't normally get the full range
57:21 <Ballig> not normally
57:23 <Ballig> sometimes
57:41 <Akhaara> So is there a difference besides damage between shortbow and longbow?
57:51 <Akhaara> It seems there is no reason to use a shortbow
58:10 <Ballig> I think shortbow can be used mounted? but I think composite longbow can also be used mounted
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58:41 <Akhaara> Ah, so no point, that's good
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18:42 <Avatar> change your nick back spider
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46:23 <Mekkis> Akhaara, rogues can use shortbows
48:27 <Akhaara> Oh, so as far as my ranger goes, it's useless
48:41 <Ballig> assuming you are proficient in both, there are few reasons to use shortbow
48:52 <Ballig> obviously if you're only proficient in the lesser one, that's all you've got to work with
48:57 <Ballig> it's similar to longbow versus crossbow
55:43 <spider21b> hey guys, how many race traits can you have?
55:57 <spider21b> just asking?
00:12 <Mekkis> one
03:44 <spider21b> and its not part of your traits in general?
04:04 <spider21b> like if spellbook as darkvision it wont effect how many traits i get?
07:50 <Avatar> I can never remember the rule for languages
08:00 <Avatar> ancient languages can only be learned through linguistics right
17:45 <Avatar> darkvision as a racial trait has nothing to do with your traits
18:01 <Avatar> that is like asking if spellbook has darkvision as a racial trait, it won't affect how many hit points you have
18:13 <Avatar> traits and racial traits are completely different
18:39 <spider21b> o i see
18:45 <Avatar> darkvision is an alternate racial trait
18:50 <Avatar> it replaces low light vision and has some other penalties
19:20 <Avatar> spellbook is an elf isn't he
19:24 <spider21b> nope
19:34 <Avatar> what is he
19:50 <spider21b> aasimar
20:19 <spider21b> i was thinking of getting him pyrotechnics as a spell like ablity
20:28 <spider21b> but i only have one so idk
20:33 <Avatar> aasimars have darkvision by default
20:37 <spider21b> o they do?
20:42 <Mekkis> feel like getting a hernia?
20:58 <Avatar> yeah
21:04 <spider21b> sorry
21:18 <spellbook> hey avatar
21:22 <spider21b> so like all dwarfs have dark vision i get it
21:42 <spider21b> so where it says in the srd race traits i have it 
21:45 <spider21b> right?
21:52 <Mekkis> no
22:05 <spider21b> i am still confused then
22:09 <Mekkis> how about you read the books that you need to own to play the race
22:11 <Mekkis> ?
22:19 <spider21b> i have and i still dont get it
22:27 <spider21b> do i just pick one and thats it?
23:26 <Avatar> where are you reading the aasimar racial traits
23:33 <spider21b> yea
23:48 <Avatar> yeah what
24:11 <spider21b>  ost aasimars do not lmow exactly where their celestial powers came  �from, and the similar qualities of many such celestially touched beings  hint at a relatively indistinct or all-encompassing heavenly force in their  lineage. Some, however, possess more unique traits and abilities inherited  from their supernal forebears, attributes that hint at the precis
24:13 <spider21b> m
24:15 <spider21b> ost
24:24 <Avatar> where are you reading that
24:38 <spider21b> page 20
24:43 <Avatar> of what book
24:57 <spider21b> blood of angles
25:15 <spider21b> angels
25:56 <Avatar> check page 2
26:07 <Avatar> just before the contents page
26:07 <Mekkis> <?resources
26:09 <diebot> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
26:13 <Mekkis> check that page
26:32 <spider21b> o i see
26:38 <Avatar> you can't use anything on page 20
26:39 <Mekkis> notice that it doesn't say that that stuff is legal
26:42 <Mekkis> oh
26:54 <Mekkis> you also need to bring a copy of the Additional Resources with you :P
27:42 <spider21b> i see
27:51 <spider21b> so spell like ablity is gone?
28:01 <Mekkis> anyone want an ssd?
28:49 <spider21b> sigh soo many rules and then pfs breaks them
29:39 <Mekkis> keep it simple
32:35 <Avatar> what spell like ability
32:51 <Avatar> did you look at page 2
40:05 <Ballig> spider21b: PFS restricts some of the additional resources
40:10 <Ballig> to try and keep things as balanced as possible
40:27 <Ballig> it's the exact same thing that any GM does on a local scale whenever he runs a campaign - vetoes or allows certain resources into his game
40:31 <Ballig> but they have to do it on a global scale
41:15 <spider21b> hi
41:19 <spider21b> where is everyone?
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48:43 <BlazeShaman> morning
48:52 <Avatar> yo
51:03 <spider21b> true
53:25 <spider21b> so spell like ablity is gone so we cant use it then
53:43 <Ballig> I think it's admirable that they seem to assess every resource that is released to see what can and can't be included in PFS. they don't always get it right the first time (see: synthesists) but it's better than just a blanket "no resources beyond what we already have"
54:00 <Ballig> spell-like abilities aren't gone. but "alternative racial traits for aasimars" is not PFS-legal
54:08 <Ballig> check http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources and then search for "blood of angels"
54:14 <Ballig> that tells you what is legal. page 20 isn't listed as legal
54:24 <spider21b> i see
55:10 <Mekkis> Brunius-, want an SSD?
55:11 <spider21b> soo all of that i cant use
55:27 <Ballig> you can use what it says is legal
55:30 <Ballig> and can't use what it doesn't say is legal
55:31 <Brunius-> I'd love an ssd
55:40 <spider21b> ok
55:42 <Ballig> heritages are fine, variant aasimar abilities (what I assume your spell-like abilities on page 20 are) aren't
55:46 <Brunius-> Assuming that's what I think it is
55:53 <Ballig> I don't actually have a copy of Blood of Angels so I can't check for certain in your specific case
56:16 <spider21b> same deal with alternate stat +2?
56:28 <Ballig> is it part of the heritage?
56:37 <spider21b> yea
56:39 <Ballig> what page?
57:01 <spider21b> page 22
57:25 <Ballig> see no reason why it wouldn't be legal. "all heritages and associated traits on pages 21-23 are legal"
57:44 <spider21b> gotcha
57:48 <spider21b> ok just making sure
04:04 <Brunius-> I wonder if there's a ps 2 to Bluetooth connector
39:59 <Ballig> zzz
45:39 <Avatar> zzzz
47:34 <Akhaara> Hey, bracers of armor +1 i got from the last scenario, is that just +1 AC?
50:11 <Ballig> you didn't get it, it was available for purchase
50:17 <Ballig> you don't automatically get the items listed on the chronicle sheets
50:23 <Ballig> they are just 'available for purchase' if you want to pay the listed price
58:57 <Wrothmonk> Evening.
00:38 <BlazeShaman> morning
03:19 <Akhaara> ah, i see
03:29 <Akhaara> so we didn't get any loot from it?
13:51 <Ballig> you just got the gold
13:57 <Ballig> basically the idea is that you brought everything back to the society, and they paid you a fair price
14:15 <Akhaara> ah
14:16 <Akhaara> okay
14:18 <Akhaara> So hey, my new character sheet wont save
14:22 <Akhaara> It's red
14:24 <Akhaara> And won't turn back green
14:50 <Ballig> go to http://www.pfrpg.com.au
14:53 <Ballig> are you signed in?
15:08 <Ballig> (don't leave the character sheet - stay on that page, open the main website in a new tab)
15:49 <Akhaara> Yeah i just signed in
15:55 <Ballig> now hit save and it will work
15:59 <Akhaara> and started recreating my character sheet
16:09 <Ballig> so you ARE signed in but it still fails?
17:28 <Akhaara> yeah
17:38 <Ballig> and you just now double checked that you're signed in?
18:52 <Akhaara> Hm, alright, i just retyped in my skill ranks and check turned it green again
18:55 <Akhaara> It worked
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49:17 <Ballig> plz don't bombard us Coren
49:18 <Ballig> we're sorry
49:34 <Coren> Ok.. I'll just step out then
49:55 <Ballig> how many battleships do you command
50:02 <Ballig> well, he clearly didn't get my point
57:50 <Avatar> who's coren
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02:27 <Avatar> All Modern Human Languages (Inner Sea World Guide 251) may be learned by all characters regardless of race or class, either via ranks in Linguistics or as bonus languages due to high Intelligence. Ancient Languages may be learned by all characters regardless of race or class via ranks in Linguistics only or if granted through another legal source calling them out by name. Other Languages may be 
02:28 <Avatar> learned only if they are specifically listed as being available in a class's or race's description, or if granted by another legal source.
03:26 <Avatar> wait does that mean you can't learn languages like infernal or ignan
03:41 <Ballig> why would it mean that
03:54 <Avatar> it's not a modern human language or an ancient language
03:56 <Avatar> it's an "other language"
04:05 <Ballig> these rules are on top of what's already in the core rules
04:06 <Avatar> and I am not a fire elemtanl
04:14 <Ballig> languages like infernal and ignan are already in the core rules
04:20 <Avatar> what other languages does it refer to
04:34 <Ballig> the core rulebook lists all those languages you are harping on about
04:45 <Avatar> right, but what other languages would it be talking about
04:45 <Ballig> it is, as fate would have it, "another legal source"
04:56 <Ballig> what are you on about now
05:15 <Ballig> the core rulebook is "another legal source"
05:15 <Avatar> I will have to recheck where I got that description from
05:16 <Ballig> so right there that's covered
05:25 <Ballig> "other languages" could be anything added in any other book at a later date
08:53 <Sutekh> Hola
08:57 <Avatar> aloha
08:58 <Ballig> Sutekh Sutekh, whatcha gonna do
09:03 <Ballig> whatcha gonna do when he comes for you
09:14 <Sutekh> Quick Question: Are Clerics automatically familar with the favored weapon of their god?
09:31 <Sutekh> rather proficient
09:36 <Sutekh> Ballig: Bad Boys reference? ewww
09:51 <Avatar> shit we have 6 people tomorrow
10:38 <Avatar> brunius is not actually back yet
11:01 <Sutekh> Bruinius actually went out?
11:01 <Sutekh> wow
11:24 <Ballig> he said he was going to see the reception on the way back from Adelaide
11:29 <Ballig> suggests he's going to use some mobile internet
11:39 <Sutekh> People going to Adelaide
11:41 <Sutekh> Thats just freaky
11:45 <Ballig> Weapon  and  Armor  Prof iciency:  Clerics  are  prof icient 
11:45 <Ballig> with all simpl e  weapons, light armor, medium armor, and 
11:45 <Ballig> shields  (except  tower  shields).  Clerics  are  also  prof icient 
11:45 <Ballig> with the favored weapon of their deity.
14:49 <Sutekh> hmm Herolab is giving me grief then
14:50 <Sutekh> brb
16:46 <Sutekh> damnit dicebot stop groping me
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