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06:53 <Brunius-> Sutekh, are you coming to arcanacon?
43:28 <spider21b> hi
45:51 <Brunius-> Sup spider
53:36 <MekkisScreen> Brunius-: help me set up samba!
54:29 <spider21b> xd i have a question about magic weapons i have one but i dont know how much it will be when they say bonus +1
04:10 <MekkisScreen> spider21b: what do you mean?
04:11 <Avatar> zzzz
04:27 <Avatar> spider21b: 2000gp to upgrade it
04:35 <Avatar> there's a table in the magic items > weapons section
04:35 <MekkisScreen> a +1 longsword would cost 2000 for the +1, 300 for the masterwork, and 10 for the longsword stuff
05:40 <Avatar> does that make sense
09:25 <Sutekh> Sorry Brunius, was installing some updates to Herloab
09:29 <Sutekh> Herolab even
09:33 <Sutekh> Yes I am going to Arcanacon
10:18 <Mekkis> where are you staying?
10:30 <Sutekh> Spider: Just keep in mind that if you want this weapon to be made out of special materials.. do it first because you cant do it later
10:34 <Sutekh> A Hotel in the melbourne CBD
10:40 <Sutekh> On Little Collins street i believe
10:54 <Sutekh> Ive got the email here somewhere
11:39 <Sutekh> The place i normally stay at is on Russell Street, it was full already. It gets a bit dicy around that time in Melbourne with the Australian open on and all. Accomodation gets few
12:14 <MekkisScreen> I haven't booked accommodation yet
12:49 <Sutekh> I did stay in Collingwood once. Didnt like it much
13:02 <Sutekh> The place was okay, just there was a bar below and the sound was too much
14:36 <MekkisScreen> I generally stay in South Yarra
14:43 <MekkisScreen> which is fine for Conquest
14:58 * Sutekh nods
15:05 <Sutekh> I tend to use a site called www.not1night.com.au
15:11 <Sutekh> Its quite good and varied
15:17 <Sutekh> Just filled up quick this time
15:31 <Avatar> is arcanacon at melbourne high, or that other shitty place that I can never find
16:36 <Sutekh> lol
16:46 <MekkisScreen> 'that other shitty place with no AC'
17:00 <Sutekh> I remember being there one year and it was hot.. oh so hot
17:17 <Sutekh> But again, I live in WA. It was amusing to watch the Viictorians melt
19:05 <Avatar> and the uncomfortable chairs
19:10 <Avatar> bring a cushion
19:20 <Avatar> my back was on fire after that first day
20:02 * Sutekh actually finds the uncomfortable chairs a bonus
20:05 <Sutekh> Keeps the mind active
20:45 <Avatar> keeps your back sore :P
20:54 <Avatar> my mind is active thinking argggg my back
20:57 <MekkisScreen> I might drive down to arcanacon this year
21:20 <Avatar> what was the mission? I didn't hear because my BACK IS IN SO MUCH PAIN
21:42 <MekkisScreen> find the conorgs and get them to give you a massage
22:00 <MekkisScreen> we should try and get Hydrazine to come
29:06 <Sutekh> Well last time I went to Arc was pre Iphones and Ipads.
34:20 <MekkisScreen> what effect does that have?
35:12 <Sutekh> Well Ive noticed that when people have gadgets at the table they tend to pay them attention
35:19 <Sutekh> like the guys who bring laptops to games
35:30 <Sutekh> and surfs the interwebs while 'waiting for their turn'
35:31 <Sutekh> etc
35:39 <Sutekh> Back when i was last then the tech wasnt there to do that
38:49 <Sutekh> So yeah.. it will be interesting
41:49 <MekkisScreen> that's why I don't like any idevices or laptops at the table
45:02 <Sutekh> My Ipad must come or my character isnt legal!
45:05 <Avatar> I'm going to be getting a laptop sooner or later
45:21 <Avatar> I don't know how people can play with it during a game
45:36 <Avatar> I've seen people at my tables have tablets and they only use it for character sheets or rulebooks
45:55 <Avatar> I think even spaceshot didn't muck around on his laptop
49:56 <Sutekh> Trust me
50:06 <Sutekh> Laptops and people at a gaming table dont mix well
50:13 <Sutekh> or rather they mix too well
52:29 <Avatar> they do though, I've seen it
52:49 <Avatar> you have to not be a retard about it, but it's fine if you can behave
53:10 <Sutekh> I prefer the temptation was not there at all
53:24 <Sutekh> Sadly i believe we as Humans are slaves to our bad sides.. not our good ones
58:35 <Avatar> you should play in way of the wicked
03:14 <MekkisScreen> the problem especially with laptops is it creates a barrier between the player and the game
03:49 <MekkisScreen> Sutekh: I print out the required pages from the PDFs I'm using
03:57 <MekkisScreen> that's been shown to be sufficient
04:35 <MekkisScreen> (actually, under Australian copyright law, it is legal for you to create a PDF of a book you legally own)
04:46 <MekkisScreen> (aka format-shifting)
07:16 <Avatar> spaceshot's a laptop wasn't a barrier
07:23 <Avatar> -a
08:19 <MekkisScreen> spaceshot was hardly a model player
08:35 <Avatar> and he was still no issue with a laptop
08:47 <Avatar> that speaks volumes
09:44 <vhzod> hey hey
09:52 <Avatar> here comes trouble
09:57 <vhzod> I'm totally going to witch at first level instead of bard
10:02 <vhzod> I was getting all emo ;p
10:14 <Avatar> what do you mean
10:25 <vhzod> I was really getting upset that I couldn't help in the fights
10:42 <vhzod> besides like, you know, using my wand
10:54 <vhzod> "wand"
11:40 <Avatar> bard was my first choice in PFS
12:02 <vhzod> Anyway, I think I'd rather my first feat choice be extra hex instead of lingering song
12:47 <vhzod> and I kinda want to go human for the extra feat but I'm not sure about that
13:07 <Avatar> advice on that: decide what hexes you plan to take all the way up to level 12
13:20 <Avatar> witch is probably the easiest class to plan for feat-wise
13:43 <vhzod> I only see a couple of feats that even apply to witch
14:35 <vhzod> stuff I want Fortune Misfortune Evil Eye and Prehensile hair
14:45 <vhzod> maybe slumber or cackle
14:50 <vhzod> I pretty much have to get cackle don't I
14:56 <MekkisScreen> no\
17:15 <vhzod> the witch spell list is pretty baad
18:40 <MekkisScreen> that's sarcastic, right?
18:56 <vhzod> At level one, anyway
19:00 <MekkisScreen> oh, your witch should have 12 str :P
19:13 <vhzod> Why
19:23 <vhzod> I don't have the points for that anyway
19:31 <MekkisScreen> so you can take 11 strength damage and not fall over
19:47 <vhzod> from what
19:53 <MekkisScreen> I suppose you can just Bull's Strength your way up to it
20:07 <MekkisScreen> your Friendly Neighbourhood Shadow
20:22 <vhzod> I have 10 str
20:25 <vhzod> I decided 8 str was a pita
20:56 <Avatar> ear piercing scream has served me well throughout my career, that's level 1
21:22 <vhzod> I should get prehensile hair and use exlusively touch spells
21:28 <vhzod> and hexes
22:08 <vhzod> I should totally reimagine my character idea and play a white haired witch
23:11 <vhzod> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch-archetypes/white-haired-witch
25:47 <vhzod> look at that goofy thing
25:55 <MekkisScreen> vhzod: do you own Dragon Empires Primer?
26:25 <vhzod> All I have is the base pf book I use srd
26:33 <MekkisScreen> then you shouldn't play one
26:40 <MekkisScreen> actually, you shouldn't play a witch
27:06 <vhzod> I've succesfully played 2 games using just the srd
27:18 <MekkisScreen> define "successfully"
27:47 <vhzod> It's easier to use than the book, really
27:52 <MekkisScreen> define "successfully"
28:07 <vhzod> I contributed as much as I would have with the book
28:21 <MekkisScreen> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
28:26 <MekkisScreen> In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use. (If you're bringing a printout of the pages, it must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not text copied and pasted into a blank word processing document). Since the core assumption for Pathfind
28:53 <MekkisScreen> er Society Organized Play is the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, we cannot assume that every Game Master will have the products listed below. As such, it's up to players to bring these items in order to familiarize their Game Masters with the rules.
28:53 <vhzod> You know that rule is there just so they can sell their overpriced hardcopy only books right
28:58 <vhzod> er hardcover
29:19 <MekkisScreen> vhzod: you know that they sell PDFs for ALL their books
29:22 <MekkisScreen> at reasonable prices
29:34 <vhzod> And it says physical copy
30:06 <MekkisScreen> /or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use./
30:20 <vhzod> I can print it out if I really have to
30:34 <MekkisScreen> from an actual Paizo PDF
30:41 <MekkisScreen> with your watermark on it
30:43 <vhzod> Now why does that matter ;p
31:49 <MekkisScreen> two reasons: to discourage people from using stuff from 50 different books; and to allow paizo to make money.
31:57 <MekkisScreen> Paizo is a pretty ethical company, IMO
33:30 <vhzod> I guess you've got enough players here
34:26 <vhzod> I could have just lied and said I had all the books
34:30 <vhzod> would that be better
34:55 <MekkisScreen> what do you think?
37:37 <MekkisScreen> I know that the rule is largely self-enforced.
38:44 <MekkisScreen> (and online, it's practically unenforcable)
38:47 <MekkisScreen> the other thing is that d20pfsrd.com is not always accurate so you will need to refer to the actual source from time to time
39:08 <Avatar> vhzod: nobody but mekkis will particularly care since you're new if you don't have the books for your characters
39:18 <Avatar> but over time you should get them when you decide to stick with it
39:32 <Avatar> avoid taking options from too many sourcebooks because of that
39:37 <Avatar> unless you think you're good for it
41:44 <vhzod> Yeah it is weird
42:04 <vhzod> I just wanted people to look at how strange it is
46:01 <Steven> yo yo yo
48:11 <Avatar> here comes trouble
48:51 <Steven> indeed
50:26 <Steven> starting at second level there are some decent necromancy spells
53:02 <Steven> like contagion
53:53 <Steven> and poison
54:37 <Steven> dc of 19 is pretty good for a 2nd level spell at 3rd level
55:48 <Steven> so long as what we fight isnt immune to poison and disease my druid will be a great big debuffing machine!
57:10 <Steven> wait sorry 3rd levels spells
57:14 <Steven> so, dc 20
57:23 <Steven> at 5th level
59:09 <Steven> kinda got to be a debuffer/blaster since my str and dex are 8
02:53 <Steven> cause evil people dont buff people unless they have to lol
03:18 <Steven> you know im more then happy to ramble on by myself
03:57 <Steven> but avatar.... whats your character do..
09:10 <Sutekh> Flys around a lot
09:13 <Sutekh> thats about it
39:11 <BlazeShaman> okay
39:42 <BlazeShaman> are some classes generally weaker than others, or is it fairly well balanced?
40:04 <BlazeShaman> or is that not even an issue?
43:14 <Ballig> I wouldn't worry about it
51:39 <Brunius-> They've banned some stuff, but nothing major
51:56 <Brunius-> Not much in the core rules
56:57 <BlazeShaman> anyone able to answer a question; what's the difference between a core class and a base class?
04:52 <Avatar_> they're the same
04:54 <Avatar_> different names
04:59 <Avatar_> wait I lie
05:05 <Avatar_> core classes are the ones in the core rulebook
06:25 <BlazeShaman> okay
06:27 <BlazeShaman> thanks
06:43 <BlazeShaman> As a new player, should I stick to the "core" classes?
07:13 <Avatar> not necessarily
07:19 <Avatar> what do you want to play
07:19 <BlazeShaman> okay
07:25 <BlazeShaman> No idea
07:30 <BlazeShaman> Haha
07:31 <Avatar> decide that first
07:38 <BlazeShaman> Still reading lots of stuff
07:42 <BlazeShaman> This is my first time playing a game like this
07:52 <BlazeShaman> So I'm a bit overwhelmed with the whole character creation
08:04 <Avatar> do you have the pathfinder society guide
08:06 <Avatar> to organised play
08:14 <BlazeShaman> the pdf yeah
08:25 <Avatar> the step by step guide in there helps a lot
08:38 <BlazeShaman> Yeah i've read up to chapter 3
08:40 <Avatar> yell out if you need to know something
08:45 <BlazeShaman> Thanks
08:54 <BlazeShaman> There's just so much choice, haha
09:13 <Avatar> it's good isn't it
09:30 <BlazeShaman> hard to choose :S
10:27 <BlazeShaman> It's hard to judge which class will be best to play because I haven't really played
10:46 <BlazeShaman> Maybe I'm just thinking this through too much
11:21 <Avatar> it's fine
11:24 <Avatar> just pick one that appeals to you
11:31 <Avatar> you don't need to know it inside out to make a choice
11:33 <BlazeShaman> many of them do, that's the problem
11:35 <BlazeShaman> haha
11:58 <Avatar> which ones made your shortlist
12:47 <BlazeShaman> Haven;t really read through them all, but I'm considering; bard, cleric, ranger, sorcerer, wizard
15:18 <Avatar> a lot of newbies seem to like ranger and I don't know why
15:35 <BlazeShaman> what do you play?
15:47 <Avatar> mostly spellcasters
15:52 <BlazeShaman> that's just looking at the core list, dont even want to think about the ones i just found out about
15:56 <BlazeShaman> Yeah that seems to be my inclination
16:01 <Avatar> my witch and gunslinger are my favourites
16:09 <Avatar> wizards are my favourite out of your list
16:12 <Avatar> is*
16:20 <Avatar> is/are
16:42 <BlazeShaman> hmm let me quickly look over the base list
17:59 <Avatar> base classes are just ones that don't have any requirements to pick another class before you can take it
18:13 <BlazeShaman> yeah
18:42 <BlazeShaman> it's just pretty much an extra set of classes you can pick right away, right?
19:42 <BlazeShaman> what's magus like?
21:00 <Avatar> don't know, that's one of the few I know little about
21:18 <Avatar> I wouldn't recommend that as a starter
21:25 <Avatar> you need to be fairly familiar with the spell list
21:26 <BlazeShaman> k
21:28 <BlazeShaman> summoner?
21:41 <Avatar> summoner is fine if you can follow the evolution thing
21:56 <Avatar> those two are the tougher choices
22:10 <Avatar> the advanced players guide doesn't really have advanced classes except for summoner
22:27 <Avatar> witch isn't really any harder than wizard, for example
23:10 <BlazeShaman> ah
23:15 <BlazeShaman> okay so summoner probably isnt a good choice
23:24 <Avatar> well have a read of it
23:25 <BlazeShaman> sounds interesting though
23:30 <Avatar> if it makes sense to you, take it
23:36 <Avatar> you just have to look after your eidolon as well
23:41 <BlazeShaman> yeah
23:45 <BlazeShaman> ill stay away
23:53 <BlazeShaman> seeing as im new to this sort of thing
24:02 <Avatar> it is sort of easier than it looks
24:17 <Avatar> still a bit more complex than the others though I guess
24:45 <BlazeShaman> well my list is getting narrower, thanks :D
25:13 <BlazeShaman> You said you liked the gunslinger
25:40 <Avatar> I like guns
25:59 <BlazeShaman> ah
26:06 <Avatar> lots of guns
26:30 <Avatar> I was waiting for a way to blow up stuff in d&d and there was no such thing
26:33 <Avatar> pathfinder answered my prayers
26:53 <BlazeShaman> so these "deeds" are like the gunslinger's abilities?
27:13 <Avatar> yeah
27:32 <Avatar> they are just like rogue talents or rage powers
27:35 <Avatar> different name
27:50 <BlazeShaman> hmm seems interesting
28:01 <Avatar> maybe not like rogue talents, since they're unlimited use
28:11 <BlazeShaman> yeah but require grit
28:16 <Avatar> you have grit instead of the monk's ki pool
28:36 <Avatar> like ninja tricks, not rogue talents
28:37 <BlazeShaman> im not a big fan of being the healer
28:40 <BlazeShaman> so i can cross cleric off
28:48 <BlazeShaman> i just like being useful though
28:55 <Avatar> I don't like my cleric 
29:04 <Avatar> a lot of classes can heal it turns out
29:14 <Avatar> and divine magic doesn't appeal to me
29:30 <BlazeShaman> should I focus more on rp or combat for my choice?
29:57 <Avatar> either, but make sure your man has something to do in combat every round
31:33 <BlazeShaman> k
31:36 <BlazeShaman> have you ever played summoner?
31:52 <Avatar> yeah
31:59 <Avatar> it's fun
32:07 <BlazeShaman> it sounds so
32:12 <BlazeShaman> might be something I try another time
32:30 <BlazeShaman> okay; sorcerer, gunslinger, witch, wizard 
32:33 <BlazeShaman> my list is smaller
32:34 <Avatar> you can roll up more than one character
32:48 <Avatar> and decide later which you want to stick with
32:49 <BlazeShaman> yeah
33:00 <BlazeShaman> you can change cant you, before lvl 2?
34:18 <BlazeShaman> out of my list, which is most "noob friendly" 
34:20 <BlazeShaman> ?
34:37 <Avatar> yeah you can rebuild anything on the sheet before level 2
34:51 <Avatar> avoid sorcerer
34:56 <Avatar> once you pick spells, you're stuck with them
35:01 <Avatar> and spells you get come later
35:15 <BlazeShaman> l
35:15 <BlazeShaman> k
35:45 <BlazeShaman> I also dont want to get stuck into the sort of "typical" character
36:02 <Avatar> what is a typical character
36:32 <BlazeShaman> Maybe it doesnt present itself in this game, but you see in many other games with classes you will always get those ones that are played most
36:59 <BlazeShaman> You know what, forget it :P dw
37:41 <BlazeShaman> oh wizards need to prepare spells
37:57 <BlazeShaman> how does time work, btw? it says you need to spend an "hour"
42:43 <BlazeShaman> hmm not too interested in witch tbh
45:46 <BlazeShaman> thanks for all your help btw
50:27 <Avatar> ummm
50:43 <Avatar> yeah preparing spells is a bit annoying with wizards
50:47 <Avatar> spontaneous casting is nice
50:59 <Avatar> but being locked into your spell choices forever is worse
51:05 <Avatar> even if you know what you're doing
52:38 <BlazeShaman> so wizards are a bit annoying?
02:15 <Avatar> no
02:24 <Avatar> you just have to choose your spells at the beginning of the day
02:30 <BlazeShaman> yeah
02:40 <BlazeShaman> i see what you mean
02:48 <Avatar> instead of looking at your entire list and then saying I have 5 spells I can cast for the rest of the day
02:53 <BlazeShaman> you dont know what is up ahead so you have to try and plan for many eventualities
06:07 <BlazeShaman> now im down to two :D
06:19 <Avatar> that'll do
06:21 <Avatar> make both of them
08:17 <BlazeShaman> ill still have to choose at some point
09:01 <BlazeShaman> I'll go do it :D
12:58 <Avatar> yeah choose later
17:10 <Sutekh> Its called Planning :)
24:24 <BlazeShaman> okay, here goes - first steps at creation
29:16 <BlazeShaman> ill leave it for tomorrow
29:20 <BlazeShaman> Thanks for the help! Bye!
26:35 <Avatar> yo
26:44 <n4sa> Hello
28:27 <Avatar> do you play PFS
29:46 <n4sa> No not sure what that is
31:44 <n4sa> What is pfs
33:28 <Avatar> pathfinder society
35:12 <n4sa> I have played d&d, ad&d, Rolemaster, MERPS, star frontiers
42:01 <Avatar> you should get into pathfinder
42:09 <Avatar> without question
42:19 <n4sa> I'll look it up
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07:35 <Mekkis> just shove a rank in each knowledge
07:38 <Mekkis> and spellcraft
08:20 <BlazeShaman> okay so I dont need anything like linguistics?
08:38 <MekkisScreen> linguistics is nice, but not required
08:54 <BlazeShaman> what about fly? I'm reading some stuff and it recommends it
08:59 <Wrothmonk> Use magical device is kinda important
09:05 <BlazeShaman> i have 7 points btw
09:07 <MekkisScreen> for a wizard? not at all
09:14 <BlazeShaman> k
09:28 <Wrothmonk> mmm well I'm kinda new, mekkis is a gm, so go with him over me :P
09:31 <BlazeShaman> so use magical device?
09:33 <MekkisScreen> BlazeShaman: you Probably shouldn't have 7 skill points
09:41 <BlazeShaman> oh
09:43 <Wrothmonk> Thats too high of an int
09:44 <BlazeShaman> lol k
09:55 <Wrothmonk> should be wis I think, is that the spell mod?
09:57 <BlazeShaman> I don't really know what to put in
10:04 <BlazeShaman> Maybe I'm mistaken
10:10 <BlazeShaman> what stats should I focus?
10:12 <MekkisScreen> you're either putting a 20 in int, which really nerfs your other stats and can make the game less fun for others
10:27 <MekkisScreen> or you're putting your favoured class into skills, which will kill you
10:36 <BlazeShaman> yeah i had 20 in int
10:48 <BlazeShaman> lol okay thanks
10:56 <BlazeShaman> so what should I be sort of looking at?
11:07 <MekkisScreen> I would suggest putting a 19 in int. By the time you need a 20 there, you'll be level 4 and you get the +1 for levelling
11:29 <MekkisScreen> (and you get to retroactively add skill points, so you're still not losing out)
11:30 <BlazeShaman> okay, I get +2 for being an elf
11:44 <MekkisScreen> what's your statline?
11:57 <BlazeShaman> ?
12:06 <BlazeShaman> Sorry, I'm extremely new and don't know all the terms yet
12:19 <MekkisScreen> as in str/dex/con/int/wis/cha
13:00 <MekkisScreen> 10/12/12/19/10/11 ?
13:01 <BlazeShaman> Umm i've reset it back to default to start it again
13:33 <BlazeShaman> after racials?
13:36 <MekkisScreen> yeah
13:43 <BlazeShaman> I can get that with 1 left over point
13:56 <BlazeShaman> elves are a good race for wizards, right?
13:57 <MekkisScreen> shove cha to 12 then?
14:04 <MekkisScreen> I think they are
14:11 <BlazeShaman> okay
14:11 <BlazeShaman> thanks
14:16 <MekkisScreen> they get the +2 to overcome SR, which really helps at high levels
14:25 <BlazeShaman> sure
14:32 <BlazeShaman> I have 6 skills now then
14:37 <MekkisScreen> the con penalty's annoying, but you can work with it
14:51 <Wrothmonk> elf wizard then?
14:56 <BlazeShaman> yes
14:58 <MekkisScreen> what type of wizard?
15:15 <BlazeShaman> Not entirely sure, I was reading soemthing that suggested conjuration
15:23 <BlazeShaman> but Im starting to doubt it's general validity
15:32 <BlazeShaman> So I'll have to go through and get a better understanding
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16:45 <MekkisScreen> BlazeShaman: reading those /guides/ is a bad idea. It poisons your mind and often is horribly cheesy
16:50 <BlazeShaman> okay
17:06 <BlazeShaman> There's just so many options to meddle with
17:12 <Wrothmonk> Yes
17:15 <Wrothmonk> There are :P
17:28 <MekkisScreen> stick with the core rulebook
17:48 <MekkisScreen> it provides plenty of options
18:26 <BlazeShaman> Do you have any suggestions for which school?
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21:58 <BlazeShaman> im thinking evocation or conjuration based on the core rule guide
22:06 <BlazeShaman> rulebook
26:49 <Wrothmonk> well it really depends on what spells you want to use.
27:09 <Wrothmonk> I'd recommend looking through the spell list.
27:49 <BlazeShaman> I haven't played before so I wouldn't really know what is required
28:11 <BlazeShaman> maybe not evocation
32:21 <MekkisScreen> haven't seen anyone who's focussed on abjuration
33:11 <BlazeShaman> I think I'll look into illusion, divination and conjuration
38:36 <BlazeShaman> where would I find a list of each school's spells please?
38:44 <MekkisScreen> chapter 10
39:34 <BlazeShaman> ty
40:01 <Sutekh> I would avoid Divination to be honest
40:06 <Sutekh> Maybe pick some spells from it
40:13 <Sutekh> but dont become a specialised Diviner
43:28 <BlazeShaman> k
43:35 <BlazeShaman> are summons useful?
45:35 <BlazeShaman> im leaning towards conjuration
46:06 <MekkisScreen> if you're a new player, I'd recommend against it, at least for starters
46:11 <MekkisScreen> it can really bog down the game
46:25 <BlazeShaman> okay
46:27 <BlazeShaman> sure
47:07 <BlazeShaman> which ones might be good for starters? 
47:17 <BlazeShaman> illusion?
47:45 <MekkisScreen> summons can be useful, but you really need to know what you're doing
47:53 <BlazeShaman> k
47:56 <Steven> what up peeps
47:57 <MekkisScreen> conjuration can be used for more than summons
48:15 <BlazeShaman> k
48:17 <MekkisScreen> illusion allows you to be creative
48:29 <MekkisScreen> Steven: I almost killed my VC last night
48:37 <Steven> cool cool
48:49 <BlazeShaman> VC?
49:04 <Steven> Venture Captain
49:05 <MekkisScreen> Venture-Captain
49:07 <BlazeShaman> k
49:49 <Steven> it goes like this
49:58 <Steven> Paizo staff are in charge
50:08 <Steven> who deligate responsability to Venture Captains
50:22 <Steven> who in turn deligate to Venture Lieutenants
50:33 <BlazeShaman> would killing them be a good or a bad thing?
51:21 <Steven> it would be a neutral thing, other than a feather in your cap
51:33 <Wrothmonk> How did you almost kill your venture captain?
51:43 <BlazeShaman> k
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55:09 <MekkisScreen> several times: he got pitted, attacked by a quickwood, grappled by a shambling mold, and energy drained by a ghost
57:03 <BlazeShaman> Quick question; if you wanted someone on your team, would you prefer a conjuration wizard or an illusion one?
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57:18 <Mekkis> I'd prefer a transmutation :P
57:34 <BlazeShaman> oh?
57:47 <BlazeShaman> Haha too much stuff to decide
57:59 <Mekkis> it doesn't really matter...
58:12 <Mekkis> wizards can always prepare other schools
58:38 <BlazeShaman> yeah
59:35 <BlazeShaman> I'm thinking either conjuration or illusion 
02:35 <Sutekh> Almost isnt good enough!
02:39 <Sutekh> Why didnt he die?
03:35 <BlazeShaman> im going to go with illusion
12:49 <Steven> shit need to pick two feats
13:07 <ANSeranov> Hey, would it be okay if I try and use the Combat Assistant for a PF game I'm running for some friends?
22:21 <Brunius-> Why not?
22:40 <ANSeranov> I figured it would be polite to ask before I did.
25:45 <Steven> looks like double spell focus
29:15 <Steven> Spell focus and Greater Spell focus Necromancy!
30:02 <Steven> since its a blight druid and all
41:43 <MekkisScreen> what are good necromancy druid spells?
45:48 <Sutekh> lol
46:02 <Sutekh> Necromancy spells dont have many [good] descriptors
46:05 <Sutekh> I dont think
46:09 <Sutekh> a lot of them are [evil]
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04:36 <BlazeShaman> hey anyone here?
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27:21 <Brunius-> Sup jerks
09:04 * MekkisScreen throws a tomato at Brunius- 
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20:13 <BlazeShaman> oh damn
20:34 <BlazeShaman> just realised the thing tomorrow starts at 6pm D:
21:51 <spider21b> hi
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26:10 <BlazeShaman> hmm i guess ill just have to figure something out with dinner...
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45:27 <BlazeShaman> what happened there?
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03:01 <Brunius-> Mentlegen
18:35 <Brunius-> Avatar,where do you get your computer parts
23:48 <MekkisScreen> umart
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25:24 <BlazeShaman> hello
26:36 <MekkisScreen> hel
26:55 <Mekkis>  14:26  up   4:30,  6 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.10, 0.07
27:08 <MekkisScreen>  23:27:33 up 174 days, 19:29, 14 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
29:21 <Brunius-> BlazeShaman. A net split occurs when an irc network of multiple servers has some of those servers disconnect
29:52 <BlazeShaman> okau
29:53 <BlazeShaman> okay*
29:55 <BlazeShaman> thanks
30:14 <Brunius-> Thus if I'm connected to one, and you to another, we'll appear to disconnect
30:36 <BlazeShaman> sure
31:22 <BlazeShaman> btw, when playing a session that starts say at 6pm and runs til 10pm - are there ever any breaks?
32:27 <Mekkis> we don't do many evening sessions
32:36 <Mekkis> at least not starting at 6pm
32:38 <Mekkis> at least I don't
33:05 <BlazeShaman> yeah there is this one on tomorrow, a first starts one which would be great, seeing as I've never played before
33:13 <Brunius-> He's in a different timezone
33:23 <BlazeShaman> GMT+11
33:28 <BlazeShaman> it starts at 6pm on the schedule
33:33 <Brunius-> Or not
33:35 <BlazeShaman> and my dinner would be at 7pm
34:20 <Brunius-> Avatar, Ballig, topic is gone
35:05 <Brunius-> You'd have to talk to the gm about that
35:19 <BlazeShaman> Yeah, i know
35:24 <BlazeShaman> Likely I'd just have to miss it
35:24 <Brunius-> Who in this case I think is Ballig
35:26 <BlazeShaman> which is a shame
35:28 <BlazeShaman> Yep
36:43 <Brunius-> Most, if not all, of our games span a meal
37:18 <BlazeShaman> What usually happens?
37:22 <BlazeShaman> There is a break?
37:49 <Brunius-> Mekkis generally tells us to take a 15 min n break, then comes back in an hour
38:06 <Brunius-> I generally eat at the computer
38:43 <BlazeShaman> I'll see what I can sought out I guess
38:43 <Brunius-> Where are you from?
38:48 <BlazeShaman> Sydney
39:28 <Brunius-> Don't know of we've got any other Sydney players
39:38 <BlazeShaman> really?
39:49 <BlazeShaman> All of the stuff happens at Melbourne :S
44:26 <Sutekh> or Canberra
44:29 <Sutekh> or Brisbane
45:29 <BlazeShaman> Melbourne is getting PAX haha. I saw that one coming though
46:27 <Sutekh> I was surprised it wasnt the Gold Coast or Brisbane
46:55 <BlazeShaman> really?
49:13 <Sutekh> Yeah,  these guys from overseas generally want the sun and sand and well.. those two. Melbourne while having both rarely has them together at the same time.
49:44 <Sutekh> I lived for a few years in Williamstown. I remember the beach there as well... pretty ordinary
49:51 <Sutekh> compared to what i have now
50:06 <Sutekh> Now However i just have to avoid the occasional shark attack :)
50:50 <Steven> what up playas!
51:11 <Sutekh> Having said that I love Melbourne.. and not just because it has Lord of the Fries
51:23 <Sutekh> Its because I rarely have to drive anywhere
54:47 <BlazeShaman> trying to make a character here, a wizard; what skills should I go for? ive got spellcraft, knowledge: arcana, knowledge: planes, but I'm not sure about what else
56:26 <Sutekh> Appwell Linquistics for starters
56:31 <Sutekh> more languages = win
56:49 <BlazeShaman> appwell?
56:51 <Sutekh> Know local is good
56:57 <Sutekh> lol sorry
57:04 <Sutekh> must of been typing something else
57:06 <BlazeShaman> k
57:08 <BlazeShaman> ty
57:09 <Sutekh> train of thought hit a roadblock :)
57:19 <BlazeShaman> still got 1 more point
57:31 <Sutekh> Perception
57:35 <Sutekh> the skill everyone needs
57:37 <BlazeShaman> k
57:42 <BlazeShaman> ty
58:55 <BlazeShaman> thanks, i gtg now - thanks for talknig
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06:27 <Brunius-> Sutekh, are you coming to arcanacon?
13:06 <Avatar> you da player
18:49 <Steven> i have been known to play around.
19:18 <Steven> alright time to choose some scenarios for tonight
21:13 <Steven> I think Slave pits of Absolom #8
21:32 <Steven> Our Lady of Silver #27
23:52 <Steven> oh yeah, the palid Plague
23:56 <Steven> good times that one
26:54 <Steven> hey avatar whats a game you would love to play?
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42:21 <Avatar> a scenario?
43:02 <spider21b> hi
43:41 <Avatar> hard to say, potentially a lot of good ones for you to run from my list
44:26 <Avatar> I reckon keep running heresy of man
44:34 <Avatar> 2 and 3
45:25 <Brunius-> Sup spider
47:04 <Avatar> what items increase cmb or cmb to trip
52:02 <Ballig> a whip of greater tripping +4
53:10 <MekkisScreen> Brunius-: help me set up samba!
54:02 <spider21b> xd i have a question about magic weapons i have one but i dont know how much it will be when they say bonus +1
54:25 <Avatar> what
54:34 <Avatar> what's greater tripping
56:21 <Avatar> lore warden level 3 gives +2 to CMB
56:38 <Avatar> level 2's lore warden ability is just combat expertise which I've already got, but fighters get that bonus feat at level 2 anyway
56:51 <Avatar> will probably invest in a few more levels there later
57:02 <Avatar> better than bloody dragon disciple
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03:44 <MekkisScreen> spider21b: what do you mean?
03:44 <Avatar> zzzz
04:01 <Avatar> spider21b: 2000gp to upgrade it
04:10 <Avatar> there's a table in the magic items > weapons section
04:11 <MekkisScreen> a +1 longsword would cost 2000 for the +1, 300 for the masterwork, and 10 for the longsword stuff
05:14 <Avatar> does that make sense
08:59 <Sutekh> Sorry Brunius, was installing some updates to Herloab
09:02 <Sutekh> Herolab even
09:07 <Sutekh> Yes I am going to Arcanacon
09:51 <Mekkis> where are you staying?
10:03 <Sutekh> Spider: Just keep in mind that if you want this weapon to be made out of special materials.. do it first because you cant do it later
10:08 <Sutekh> A Hotel in the melbourne CBD
10:14 <Sutekh> On Little Collins street i believe
10:28 <Sutekh> Ive got the email here somewhere
11:13 <Sutekh> The place i normally stay at is on Russell Street, it was full already. It gets a bit dicy around that time in Melbourne with the Australian open on and all. Accomodation gets few
11:48 <MekkisScreen> I haven't booked accommodation yet
12:23 <Sutekh> I did stay in Collingwood once. Didnt like it much
12:35 <Sutekh> The place was okay, just there was a bar below and the sound was too much
14:10 <MekkisScreen> I generally stay in South Yarra
14:16 <MekkisScreen> which is fine for Conquest
14:31 * Sutekh nods
14:39 <Sutekh> I tend to use a site called www.not1night.com.au
14:45 <Sutekh> Its quite good and varied
14:51 <Sutekh> Just filled up quick this time
15:04 <Avatar> is arcanacon at melbourne high, or that other shitty place that I can never find
16:09 <Sutekh> lol
16:19 <MekkisScreen> 'that other shitty place with no AC'
16:34 <Sutekh> I remember being there one year and it was hot.. oh so hot
16:51 <Sutekh> But again, I live in WA. It was amusing to watch the Viictorians melt
18:39 <Avatar> and the uncomfortable chairs
18:43 <Avatar> bring a cushion
18:54 <Avatar> my back was on fire after that first day
19:26 <Ssry> !roll 2d10
19:26 <dicebot> Ssry, 2d10: [2d10=1,3] 4
19:35 <Ssry> !roll 2d10
19:35 * Sutekh actually finds the uncomfortable chairs a bonus
19:36 <dicebot> Ssry, 2d10: [2d10=9,6] 15
19:40 <Sutekh> Keeps the mind active
19:48 <Ssry> !roll 2d10
19:49 <dicebot> Ssry, 2d10: [2d10=8,6] 14
19:52 <Ssry> !roll2d10
19:56 <Ssry> !roll 2d10
19:56 <dicebot> Ssry, 2d10: [2d10=2,9] 11
20:19 <Avatar> keeps your back sore :P
20:28 <Avatar> my mind is active thinking argggg my back
20:31 <MekkisScreen> I might drive down to arcanacon this year
20:54 <Avatar> what was the mission? I didn't hear because my BACK IS IN SO MUCH PAIN
21:15 <MekkisScreen> find the conorgs and get them to give you a massage
21:33 <MekkisScreen> we should try and get Hydrazine to come
28:40 <Sutekh> Well last time I went to Arc was pre Iphones and Ipads.
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33:54 <MekkisScreen> what effect does that have?
34:46 <Sutekh> Well Ive noticed that when people have gadgets at the table they tend to pay them attention
34:52 <Sutekh> like the guys who bring laptops to games
35:03 <Sutekh> and surfs the interwebs while 'waiting for their turn'
35:04 <Sutekh> etc
35:13 <Sutekh> Back when i was last then the tech wasnt there to do that
38:23 <Sutekh> So yeah.. it will be interesting
39:21 <Brunius-> !rng t f
39:21 <diebot> Brunius-, t
41:23 <MekkisScreen> that's why I don't like any idevices or laptops at the table
44:36 <Sutekh> My Ipad must come or my character isnt legal!
44:39 <Avatar> I'm going to be getting a laptop sooner or later
44:54 <Avatar> I don't know how people can play with it during a game
45:09 <Avatar> I've seen people at my tables have tablets and they only use it for character sheets or rulebooks
45:28 <Avatar> I think even spaceshot didn't muck around on his laptop
49:30 <Sutekh> Trust me
49:40 <Sutekh> Laptops and people at a gaming table dont mix well
49:47 <Sutekh> or rather they mix too well
52:02 <Avatar> they do though, I've seen it
52:23 <Avatar> you have to not be a retard about it, but it's fine if you can behave
52:44 <Sutekh> I prefer the temptation was not there at all
52:57 <Sutekh> Sadly i believe we as Humans are slaves to our bad sides.. not our good ones
58:08 <Avatar> you should play in way of the wicked
02:48 <MekkisScreen> the problem especially with laptops is it creates a barrier between the player and the game
03:22 <MekkisScreen> Sutekh: I print out the required pages from the PDFs I'm using
03:31 <MekkisScreen> that's been shown to be sufficient
04:09 <MekkisScreen> (actually, under Australian copyright law, it is legal for you to create a PDF of a book you legally own)
04:20 <MekkisScreen> (aka format-shifting)
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06:50 <Avatar> spaceshot's a laptop wasn't a barrier
06:57 <Avatar> -a
07:54 <MekkisScreen> spaceshot was hardly a model player
08:09 <Avatar> and he was still no issue with a laptop
08:21 <Avatar> that speaks volumes
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09:18 <vhzod> hey hey
09:26 <Avatar> here comes trouble
09:31 <vhzod> I'm totally going to witch at first level instead of bard
09:35 <vhzod> I was getting all emo ;p
09:48 <Avatar> what do you mean
09:59 <vhzod> I was really getting upset that I couldn't help in the fights
10:16 <vhzod> besides like, you know, using my wand
10:28 <vhzod> "wand"
11:13 <Avatar> bard was my first choice in PFS
11:36 <vhzod> Anyway, I think I'd rather my first feat choice be extra hex instead of lingering song
12:21 <vhzod> and I kinda want to go human for the extra feat but I'm not sure about that
12:40 <Avatar> advice on that: decide what hexes you plan to take all the way up to level 12
12:53 <Avatar> witch is probably the easiest class to plan for feat-wise
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13:17 <vhzod> I only see a couple of feats that even apply to witch
14:09 <vhzod> stuff I want Fortune Misfortune Evil Eye and Prehensile hair
14:19 <vhzod> maybe slumber or cackle
14:24 <vhzod> I pretty much have to get cackle don't I
14:30 <MekkisScreen> no\
16:49 <vhzod> the witch spell list is pretty baad
18:14 <MekkisScreen> that's sarcastic, right?
18:29 <vhzod> At level one, anyway
18:34 <MekkisScreen> oh, your witch should have 12 str :P
18:46 <vhzod> Why
18:57 <vhzod> I don't have the points for that anyway
19:05 <MekkisScreen> so you can take 11 strength damage and not fall over
19:21 <vhzod> from what
19:26 <MekkisScreen> I suppose you can just Bull's Strength your way up to it
19:40 <MekkisScreen> your Friendly Neighbourhood Shadow
19:56 <vhzod> I have 10 str
19:59 <vhzod> I decided 8 str was a pita
20:29 <Avatar> ear piercing scream has served me well throughout my career, that's level 1
20:56 <vhzod> I should get prehensile hair and use exlusively touch spells
21:01 <vhzod> and hexes
21:42 <vhzod> I should totally reimagine my character idea and play a white haired witch
22:45 <vhzod> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch-archetypes/white-haired-witch
25:21 <vhzod> look at that goofy thing
25:29 <MekkisScreen> vhzod: do you own Dragon Empires Primer?
25:59 <vhzod> All I have is the base pf book I use srd
26:07 <MekkisScreen> then you shouldn't play one
26:15 <MekkisScreen> actually, you shouldn't play a witch
26:39 <vhzod> I've succesfully played 2 games using just the srd
26:51 <MekkisScreen> define "successfully"
27:21 <vhzod> It's easier to use than the book, really
27:26 <MekkisScreen> define "successfully"
27:40 <vhzod> I contributed as much as I would have with the book
27:55 <MekkisScreen> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
28:00 <MekkisScreen> In order to use these additional resources for your character, you must bring a physical copy of the book with you or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use. (If you're bringing a printout of the pages, it must be from the actual Paizo PDF and not text copied and pasted into a blank word processing document). Since the core assumption for Pathfind
28:26 <MekkisScreen> er Society Organized Play is the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary, we cannot assume that every Game Master will have the products listed below. As such, it's up to players to bring these items in order to familiarize their Game Masters with the rules.
28:27 <vhzod> You know that rule is there just so they can sell their overpriced hardcopy only books right
28:33 <vhzod> er hardcover
28:53 <MekkisScreen> vhzod: you know that they sell PDFs for ALL their books
28:57 <MekkisScreen> at reasonable prices
29:07 <vhzod> And it says physical copy
29:39 <MekkisScreen> /or printouts of the appropriate pages detailing cost (if any) and explanations for each feat, item, spell, prestige class, and so on that you use./
29:54 <vhzod> I can print it out if I really have to
30:07 <MekkisScreen> from an actual Paizo PDF
30:15 <MekkisScreen> with your watermark on it
30:17 <vhzod> Now why does that matter ;p
31:22 <MekkisScreen> two reasons: to discourage people from using stuff from 50 different books; and to allow paizo to make money.
31:31 <MekkisScreen> Paizo is a pretty ethical company, IMO
33:04 <vhzod> I guess you've got enough players here
34:00 <vhzod> I could have just lied and said I had all the books
34:04 <vhzod> would that be better
34:29 <MekkisScreen> what do you think?
37:11 <MekkisScreen> I know that the rule is largely self-enforced.
38:17 <MekkisScreen> (and online, it's practically unenforcable)
38:21 <MekkisScreen> the other thing is that d20pfsrd.com is not always accurate so you will need to refer to the actual source from time to time
38:42 <Avatar> vhzod: nobody but mekkis will particularly care since you're new if you don't have the books for your characters
38:51 <Avatar> but over time you should get them when you decide to stick with it
39:05 <Avatar> avoid taking options from too many sourcebooks because of that
39:11 <Avatar> unless you think you're good for it
41:19 <vhzod> Yeah it is weird
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45:34 <Steven> yo yo yo
52:41 <Brunius-> Sup guys
03:11 <Sutekh> Heyo
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20:20 <Brunius-> Mekkis, if you can get a watermarked copy of a book, it's pretty easy to fake it
20:34 <Mekkis> Sure
20:45 <Mekkis> or you just crack the PDF password
20:47 <Mekkis> or...
21:07 <Mekkis> you just pdftops, grep, sed, pstopdf
21:18 <Mekkis> works well :)
24:23 <Brunius-> Which grep
31:46 <Brunius-> What time is the game on Sunday
38:38 <Brunius-> Ugh, 9am
40:17 <Sutekh> Yeah thats early
42:53 <Sutekh> Brunius needs his beauty rest!
49:40 <MekkisScreen> moin
51:06 <BlazeShaman> helli
51:07 <BlazeShaman> hello*
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57:33 <MekkisScreen> hi
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59:02 <Brunius-> It's more like that's a chaotic day for me
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04:53 <BlazeShaman> are you able to help me at all please? i'm very new to this, and I am creating a character and need to pick some skills, but I don't really know which ones are good - I'm a wizard 
15:42 <BlazeShaman> Not entirely sure, I was reading soemthing that suggested conjuration
15:50 <BlazeShaman> but Im starting to doubt it's general validity
15:59 <BlazeShaman> So I'll have to go through and get a better understanding
17:12 <MekkisScreen> BlazeShaman: reading those /guides/ is a bad idea. It poisons your mind and often is horribly cheesy
17:17 <BlazeShaman> okay
17:33 <BlazeShaman> There's just so many options to meddle with
17:39 <Wrothmonk> Yes
17:42 <Wrothmonk> There are :P
17:55 <MekkisScreen> stick with the core rulebook
18:13 <MekkisScreen> it provides plenty of options
18:53 <BlazeShaman> Do you have any suggestions for which school?
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22:25 <BlazeShaman> im thinking evocation or conjuration based on the core rule guide
22:33 <BlazeShaman> rulebook
27:16 <Wrothmonk> well it really depends on what spells you want to use.
27:36 <Wrothmonk> I'd recommend looking through the spell list.
28:16 <BlazeShaman> I haven't played before so I wouldn't really know what is required
28:37 <BlazeShaman> maybe not evocation
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32:47 <MekkisScreen> haven't seen anyone who's focussed on abjuration
33:38 <BlazeShaman> I think I'll look into illusion, divination and conjuration
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39:03 <BlazeShaman> where would I find a list of each school's spells please?
39:10 <MekkisScreen> chapter 10
40:00 <BlazeShaman> ty
40:27 <Sutekh> I would avoid Divination to be honest
40:32 <Sutekh> Maybe pick some spells from it
40:39 <Sutekh> but dont become a specialised Diviner
43:54 <BlazeShaman> k
44:01 <BlazeShaman> are summons useful?
46:01 <BlazeShaman> im leaning towards conjuration
46:32 <MekkisScreen> if you're a new player, I'd recommend against it, at least for starters
46:37 <MekkisScreen> it can really bog down the game
46:52 <BlazeShaman> okay
46:54 <BlazeShaman> sure
47:33 <BlazeShaman> which ones might be good for starters? 
47:43 <BlazeShaman> illusion?
48:11 <MekkisScreen> summons can be useful, but you really need to know what you're doing
48:19 <BlazeShaman> k
48:22 <Steven> what up peeps
48:24 <MekkisScreen> conjuration can be used for more than summons
48:41 <BlazeShaman> k
48:43 <MekkisScreen> illusion allows you to be creative
48:55 <MekkisScreen> Steven: I almost killed my VC last night
49:02 <Steven> cool cool
49:15 <BlazeShaman> VC?
49:30 <Steven> Venture Captain
49:32 <MekkisScreen> Venture-Captain
49:34 <BlazeShaman> k
50:15 <Steven> it goes like this
50:25 <Steven> Paizo staff are in charge
50:34 <Steven> who deligate responsability to Venture Captains
50:48 <Steven> who in turn deligate to Venture Lieutenants
50:59 <BlazeShaman> would killing them be a good or a bad thing?
51:48 <Steven> it would be a neutral thing, other than a feather in your cap
52:00 <Wrothmonk> How did you almost kill your venture captain?
52:09 <BlazeShaman> k
55:35 <MekkisScreen> several times: he got pitted, attacked by a quickwood, grappled by a shambling mold, and energy drained by a ghost
57:29 <BlazeShaman> Quick question; if you wanted someone on your team, would you prefer a conjuration wizard or an illusion one?
57:45 <Mekkis> I'd prefer a transmutation :P
57:57 <BlazeShaman> oh?
58:13 <BlazeShaman> Haha too much stuff to decide
58:26 <Mekkis> it doesn't really matter...
58:39 <Mekkis> wizards can always prepare other schools
59:04 <BlazeShaman> yeah
00:01 <BlazeShaman> I'm thinking either conjuration or illusion 
01:37 <Mekkis> /usr/bin/grep
03:01 <Sutekh> Almost isnt good enough!
03:05 <Sutekh> Why didnt he die?
04:00 <BlazeShaman> im going to go with illusion
13:15 <Steven> shit need to pick two feats
13:33 <ANSeranov> Hey, would it be okay if I try and use the Combat Assistant for a PF game I'm running for some friends?
22:46 <Brunius-> Why not?
23:06 <ANSeranov> I figured it would be polite to ask before I did.
25:44 <Sutekh> /usr/bards/suck
25:59 <Mekkis> I was answering Brunius' question
26:11 <Steven> looks like double spell focus
29:41 <Steven> Spell focus and Greater Spell focus Necromancy!
30:28 <Steven> since its a blight druid and all
37:21 <Brunius-> Mnt/srcard
37:37 <Mekkis> wtf?
37:38 <Brunius-> Sdcard
37:57 <Mekkis> Brunius-, *n?x is case-sensitive
39:07 <Mekkis> (you've never run which grep?)
42:09 <MekkisScreen> what are good necromancy druid spells?
43:38 <Brunius->  I don't often use linux
43:51 <Brunius-> Huh
43:52 <Mekkis> who wants me to run something on Saturday?
44:04 <Brunius-> Linus Torvalds is in the dictionary
44:20 <Mekkis> is Kernigahn?
44:42 <Mekkis> Brian Kernigahn
46:14 <Sutekh> lol
46:28 <Sutekh> Necromancy spells dont have many [good] descriptors
46:30 <Sutekh> I dont think
46:35 <Sutekh> a lot of them are [evil]
53:04 <Brunius-> Doesn't seem to be
53:32 <Brunius-> The dictionary on this phone
53:42 <Brunius-> I mean
01:26 <Brunius-> I wonder how to ignore pms from people on andchat
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05:03 <BlazeShaman> hey anyone here?
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19:37 <Wrothmonk> Something on saturday would be nice. Something at playable at level one, I'm eager to play my dual weapon ranger.
20:00 <Wrothmonk> something playable*
27:48 <Brunius-> Sup jerks
34:57 <Sutekh> Sorry Water, no game for you!
37:12 <Mekkis> you should run something then
37:38 <Sutekh> Yeah Wroth
37:56 * Sutekh is nearly finished prepping for his game this Sunday
38:04 <Sutekh> Full table on newbies!
38:22 * Sutekh just bought  the npc codex. Which of the guys in there is playable for a pregen?
38:29 <Mekkis> Sutekh, nothing like running a scenario to prep it
39:41 <Sutekh> indeed.
39:53 <Mekkis> so run it on Saturday in here
39:58 <Sutekh> Im also failing trying to perfect an ulfen voice
40:06 <Sutekh> Cannot. Im gaming myself Sunday
40:08 <Sutekh> or rather playing
40:17 <Sutekh> err Saturday
40:32 <Sutekh> Scale a Dragon and then the Disappeared
40:42 <Sutekh> Gonna be a full weekend
43:24 <Sutekh> Playing with Andrei in the Disappeared
43:26 <Sutekh> should be cool
45:22 <Brunius-> Is Kuro Poe still alive
45:37 <Sutekh> who?
48:39 <Brunius-> One of Andrei's characters
50:14 <Sutekh> Ive only met the guy once and he ran Mists of Mwangi for us
50:21 <Sutekh> His brother Anwar was also there
50:38 <Sutekh> I think I read he is playing a Fighter/Cleric for this one
50:59 <Sutekh> Warhorn dosnt really give me names of characters
54:51 <Sutekh> Although he did say that one of his characters is Lantern Lodge.. I think it might be his high level one and he hopped the Lanterns were not one of the groups getting the axe
55:32 <Mekkis> axe 'em
57:43 <Sutekh> Anyway it should be interesting. There are 3 4's signed up and 2 2's
57:49 <Sutekh> So we may play up
59:23 <Sutekh> Im half tempted to whip out my Chelaxian Cleric of Mephistopheles
59:27 <Sutekh> Hes 2 now
59:55 <Sutekh> But that defeats the principle of him being a gm credit character
00:58 <Mekkis> your GM credit character should be complete BS
01:02 <Mekkis> 1 level in every class
05:19 <Sutekh> Nah, I want to whip him out at level 3-4 oneday and actually be able to just spend a heap of cash all at once
05:25 <Sutekh> and pick some decent spells
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18:47 <BlazeShaman> evening
19:20 <Wrothmonk> Hello from across the world. :P
20:39 <BlazeShaman> oh damn
21:00 <BlazeShaman> just realised the thing tomorrow starts at 6pm D:
21:14 <BlazeShaman> haha
26:37 <BlazeShaman> hmm i guess ill just have to figure something out with dinner...
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27:54 <Wrothmonk> I'm guessing that there isn't going to be a game saturday?
28:10 <Sutekh> I think there is a game on Sunday
28:17 <Sutekh> Green Market
28:30 <Wrothmonk> hem ah well.
28:38 <Wrothmonk> hrm*
29:00 <Wrothmonk> oh*
29:10 <Wrothmonk> my keyboard isn't cooperating.
30:03 <Sutekh> gah.. with my Gunslinger its easy to know what to spend the money on
30:05 <Sutekh> With my Wizard.. its difficult
30:15 <Wrothmonk> bullets bullets bullets. :P
30:29 <Wrothmonk> wizards I have no clue what they buy.
30:34 <Sutekh> Yeah like I said its easy for my Gunslinger
30:43 <Sutekh> My Wizard is saving up for new scrolls to scribe!
30:50 <Sutekh> But failing that, im not sure.
31:02 <Sutekh> He certainly needs a better AC
33:20 <Wrothmonk> mithral chain shirt?
34:26 <BlazeShaman> what type of wizard are you?
34:46 <BlazeShaman> Im creating my first character atm, like ever, and I'm having a bit of trouble
35:06 <BlazeShaman> i was thinking of being illusionary
38:01 <Sutekh> Fire Elementalist
38:12 <Sutekh> Ive got AC 12
38:14 <Sutekh> which at level 4 is pathetic
38:22 <BlazeShaman> okay
38:31 <Wrothmonk> Wow...
38:33 <BlazeShaman> i forgot to consider elemental specialisation
38:42 <Sutekh> most people do
38:46 <Wrothmonk> ok so what are you doing blaze? wizard?
39:21 <Sutekh> Welll hes a fire elementalist. So lots of burning hands, and currently Flame Sphere is his 2nd level spell type
39:30 <BlazeShaman> wizard yeah
39:31 <Sutekh> Next level of course is good old fireball
40:07 <Wrothmonk> choosing arcane school correct?
40:57 <BlazeShaman> yeah that's one part of it
41:05 <Sutekh> THats the universalist school right?
41:09 <Sutekh> That one is... average
41:13 <BlazeShaman> id settled for illusion but happy to reconsider
41:22 <BlazeShaman> no they are all arcane schools
41:31 <Sutekh> Just keep in mind there are other specialities for illusion
41:37 <BlazeShaman> that's the name for thim
41:50 <BlazeShaman> what do you mean?
41:51 <Wrothmonk> Have you chosen between a familiar or object for your arcane bond?
41:53 <BlazeShaman> I've never played a game like this before
41:59 <BlazeShaman> I was thinking familiar
42:05 <BlazeShaman> object sounds very restricting
42:15 <Wrothmonk> mmm to me it seems the reverse but ok
42:31 <Wrothmonk> What exactly are you aiming for your character?
42:36 <Mekkis> object is less restricting :)
42:45 <Sutekh> Well there is mage of the veil
42:52 <Sutekh> whos a specialised illusionist
43:06 <BlazeShaman> okay
43:12 <Sutekh> the Phantasm illusionist school
43:14 <BlazeShaman> what's the pros and cons of familiar / object?
43:32 <Sutekh> The Shadow Illusionist school
43:43 <Wrothmonk> just a sec...
43:43 <Sutekh> Well object is giving you an extra spell 
44:02 <Sutekh> Familiar is giving you a 'pet' which you can use to cast spells through
44:17 <Sutekh> For instance, when I hit level 5, Im going to get a Fire Elemental as my familiar
45:12 <BlazeShaman> so you use familiar?
45:40 <Sutekh> Yeah
45:47 <Sutekh> Currently have a Celestial Owl
45:54 <BlazeShaman> what happened there?
47:04 <Sutekh> Thats just a personal choice though
47:16 <Sutekh> 90 percent of players use a Bonded object
47:30 <BlazeShaman> do you have to get into that deeper specialisation in illusion or can you just generally be "illusion"?
47:39 <Wrothmonk> A familiar also gives you a bonus to a specific check depending on what animal it is.
47:53 <BlazeShaman> Seeing as this is my first time playing I don't want to get overly complicated
47:57 <Sutekh> Well Illusionist is a specialised wizard who gets certain extra illusion powers
47:59 <Mekkis> object gives you the ability to /spontaneously cast/ /any spell in your spellbook/ 1/day
48:08 <Wrothmonk> actually one gives you hit points.
48:09 <BlazeShaman> God, it's hard enough at the moment just creating the character
48:16 <Sutekh> Phantasm and Shadow Illusionists are basically versions of the illusionist who get slightly different powers
48:25 <Sutekh> So even more focused
48:26 <Mekkis> familiar gives you something that's screws you over horribly when you get hit by a fireball
48:28 <Wrothmonk> thats an archetype correct?
48:37 <Mekkis> BlazeShaman, come up with a /concept/ first
48:53 <BlazeShaman> like a roleplaying concept?
48:55 <Sutekh> Yeah
49:02 <BlazeShaman> And then model all of the skills and feats around that?
49:05 <Sutekh> Im an illusionist because...
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49:07 <Mekkis> then choose a class/race/archetype/stat line/starting equipment/alignment/deity/skills/feats/etc around that
49:10 <BlazeShaman> Sure
49:11 <Sutekh> Daddy beat me up growing up
49:20 <Wrothmonk> No, I'd say come with a concept on what your doing in combat
49:23 <Sutekh> I got accepted into the Harry Potter wizard school
49:26 <BlazeShaman> I like the potential of illusions - there's a lot you can do with it, rather than just blast people
49:29 <Wrothmonk> then the rp concept
49:34 <Sutekh> Hey!
49:39 <Sutekh> Nothing wrong with blasting people
49:41 <Mekkis> Sutekh, that last line makes you look dumb
49:42 <Sutekh> esp with Fire
49:42 <Wrothmonk> Just my opinion.
49:53 <Mekkis> choose a real wizard school in Golarian
50:00 <BlazeShaman> he was kidding
50:06 <Sutekh> Yeah
50:18 <Sutekh> A British school teaching Wizards? Pass
50:21 <Mekkis> when Avatar says that, he isn't
50:32 <Sutekh> im not Avatar though
50:40 <BlazeShaman> the feats bit looks quite daunting - so many of them
50:40 <Mekkis> thank god :)
50:43 <Sutekh> There can be only one
50:47 <Wrothmonk> I'm sorry but I can see a perfect replication of ron weasly in here...
50:54 <Sutekh> heh
50:56 <Mekkis> BlazeShaman, once you have a concept, it's rather easy
50:59 <Wrothmonk> rat familiar and so on :P
51:18 <Sutekh> Blaze:  The other way to do it is to get familar with the setting
51:25 <BlazeShaman> There's a nice "first steps" session going on tomorrow night but I don't think I'll make it because it would be interrupted by dinner :S
51:27 <Sutekh> Thats how I went to build my Elementalist
51:46 <Sutekh> I find a throw away line in the readout for a area in Golarion and build from that
51:54 <BlazeShaman> okay
52:04 <Sutekh> In this case I read that in Rahadoum there is a lot of schools of arcane mage.. esp around the elements
52:07 <Sutekh> So I built from that
52:26 <Mekkis> Grolschmir the Eagle Knight
52:35 <Sutekh> So my Fire Elementalist was born there, trained to become a Fire Elementalist and had a deep interest in the History of Osirion and his own lands
52:44 <Sutekh> thus he dosnt like the Gods
52:46 <Sutekh> (is an atheist)
52:52 <BlazeShaman> that makes sense
52:56 <Sutekh> Because most people from Rahadoum dont believe in Gods
53:04 <Wrothmonk> How does he not like the gods if he is an athiest?
53:05 <Sutekh> In fact its punishable by death or exile
53:11 <BlazeShaman> haha wroth
53:21 <BlazeShaman> i see what you mean
53:36 <Sutekh> He actually views Clerics a bit like Beggars. They have to beg their gods to get magic from them
53:44 <Sutekh> Whereas he just has to memorise incantations
53:53 <Wrothmonk> Ok, so he dislikes clerics
54:04 <Sutekh> But you see , that whole concept comes back from a single line in the Inner Sea World guide
54:11 <Sutekh> Thats all it takes sometimes
54:25 <BlazeShaman> Is the Inner Sea World guide available online free like the core rulebook?
54:41 <Sutekh> No, but there is a Golarion wiki online thats free
54:46 <BlazeShaman> k
55:13 <Wrothmonk> Anyway, as for my previous question, what do you want to be doing in combat?
55:17 <Sutekh> http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
56:34 <BlazeShaman> not sure; I've never played before, so I don't have a great understanding of how the combat pans out
56:37 <Sutekh> Well if he is playing an Illusionist he gets to fire a ray at people possibly blinding them for a round
56:45 <Sutekh> 3 + int mod times a day
56:49 <Sutekh> Which is interesting
57:10 <Sutekh> later on invisibility (level 8 though) plus all illusionist durations are increased
57:22 <Sutekh> Just remember Blaze, you can rebuild at any time before 2nd level
57:25 <Sutekh> where you get locked in
57:31 <BlazeShaman> yeah i know
57:34 <Wrothmonk> well you can as sutekh said, basically disable people, you could sneak up on them, or you could go just cast spells from far away.
57:56 <Sutekh> personally I think you may have issues because your spells wont really work on undead or some mindless combatants
58:02 <Sutekh> But it would be interesting to see it played
58:13 <BlazeShaman> id like a bit of versatility, but I like the idea of manipulating situations, thinking it out rather than outright running at something with a weapon and destroying it
58:23 <Sutekh> Illusionary effects require a mind capable of perceiving them
58:36 <BlazeShaman> that makes sense
58:43 <BlazeShaman> i wouldnt be just illusions though
58:47 <BlazeShaman> it'd just be the speciality
58:48 <Wrothmonk> Ok, I wouldn't recommend illusionary then. Undead are everywhere from my experience.
59:01 <BlazeShaman> okay...
59:05 <Wrothmonk> But who knows, maybe I have just been unlucky :P
59:16 <Sutekh> Id go with MAster of the veil over Illusion to be honest
59:32 <BlazeShaman> what is master of the veil?
59:38 <Sutekh> You dont get the blinding ability , you get the ability to blend into your surroundings essentially all of the time
00:02 <BlazeShaman> i could always be a different school
00:33 <Wrothmonk> ok so the question for that is, do you want to sneak?
00:39 <Wrothmonk> to attempt to sneak*
00:44 <BlazeShaman> not particularly
00:51 <Sutekh> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/arcane-schools/paizo---arcane-schools/classic-arcane-schools/illusion/mage-of-the-veil-qadira
01:01 <BlazeShaman> I like manipulating others, rather than sneaking
01:08 <BlazeShaman> but you've proposed a problem to that
01:12 <Sutekh> THen go the Enchanter type
01:25 <BlazeShaman> what are transmutation like?
01:33 <Sutekh> Changing things?
01:34 <BlazeShaman> I want to be something that people would find useful, if you know what I mean
01:38 <Sutekh> I dont often see those
01:47 <BlazeShaman> it's a school, i think
01:48 <Wrothmonk> I thought they were mostly banned in pfs...
01:50 <Sutekh> Certainly beneficial though
02:10 <BlazeShaman> were they?
02:11 <BlazeShaman> k
02:20 <Wrothmonk> idk though
02:32 <Sutekh> They have telekinetic fist they can use on people to do 1d4 damage
02:39 <BlazeShaman> Transmutation School  Transmuters use magic to change the world around them.
02:40 <Wrothmonk> Thats usefull
02:43 <Sutekh> They also get a physical stat boost of +1 at 1st level
02:49 <Sutekh> to either str, con or dex
02:56 <Wrothmonk> Doesn't seem like they change much.
03:03 <Wrothmonk> beyond themselves that is.
03:09 <Sutekh> like we said though
03:12 <Sutekh> Get a concept first
03:13 <BlazeShaman> ill look at the spells
03:16 <Sutekh> then find a class to fit it
03:27 <Brunius-> Mentlegen
03:31 <BlazeShaman> yeah but the concept could be a combat concept
03:39 <BlazeShaman> so knowing how they function in combat is essential to deciding that
03:56 <Wrothmonk> Yes
04:19 <Sutekh> Id spend some time on that link I just sent you and the srd
05:03 <BlazeShaman> is abjuration any good?
05:31 <Mekkis> it can be
05:46 <Mekkis> given that you generally outnumber the enemy
06:10 <Wrothmonk> transmutation spells look kinda cool
06:33 <Sutekh> To be honest bar some exception nearly every spell has a good thing about it
06:33 <BlazeShaman> yeah, i'd be either transmutation, conjuration or illusion
06:36 <BlazeShaman> or some element
06:39 <Wrothmonk> you can shrink somebody and that gives a definite advantage in combat to melee if I remember right
06:49 <Sutekh> Id like to see a Void Wizard myself
06:53 <Wrothmonk> against them that is.
07:04 <BlazeShaman> void?
07:07 <Wrothmonk> void?
07:12 <Sutekh> Type of elemental specialisation
07:16 <BlazeShaman> really?
07:28 <Sutekh> There isnt just Fire/Earth /Air/ Water
07:38 <Sutekh> THere is also Metal/ Wood/ Voice and Heart
07:40 <Wrothmonk> You know, I'm not seeing anything about a elemental arcane schools.
07:43 <BlazeShaman> heart haha
07:43 <Sutekh> Voice/Void
07:46 <BlazeShaman> CAPTAIN PLANET
07:48 <Wrothmonk> yes
07:59 <Wrothmonk> blaze you took the words right out of my mouth.
08:17 <BlazeShaman> :P
08:19 <Wrothmonk> Now if you could actually crush a heart telekinetically, that would be awsome.
08:19 <Sutekh> Advanced Players guide
08:25 <BlazeShaman> are conjurers any good?
08:31 <Sutekh> They summon stuff
08:35 <Sutekh> Takes a full round normally
08:51 <Sutekh> At low levels these friends dont last too long though
08:54 <Sutekh> like 1-2 rounds
08:56 <BlazeShaman> k
09:01 <Sutekh> at higher levels your friends last longer
09:09 <Sutekh> Very very useful though
09:13 <Sutekh> I love Summoned creatures
09:27 <BlazeShaman> ive been told it'd be hard for a newcomer
09:42 <Sutekh> Yeah you would need to keep track of stats
09:48 <Sutekh> Do you use an iphone or ipad?
09:55 <BlazeShaman> i have an iphone
10:06 <Wrothmonk> seriusly? iphone/ipad for stat tracking? please.
10:07 <Sutekh> Well then, there is a program called summoner
10:09 <BlazeShaman> also could have 2 computers at one time; desktop, laptop
10:17 <Sutekh> Go to the app store to find it
10:24 <Wrothmonk> You can do it on a normal computer.
10:24 <Sutekh> Its got all the stats for summoned monsters in the app
10:29 <Sutekh> Very very useful
10:42 <Sutekh> I use it when my Fire Elementalist is summoning
10:45 <Wrothmonk> what about d20pfsrd?
10:45 <Sutekh> He seems to do it a lot
11:01 <Sutekh> Well that has monster stats too, but I dont go to games with my computer with me
11:06 <Sutekh> just my iphone/Ipad
11:09 <Mekkis> having computers doesn't help: it's more knowing what you're summoning, what your summons are doing and their stats, and knowing what you're doing, without slowing the game down
11:09 <Wrothmonk> Good point.
11:23 <Sutekh> exactly
11:24 <BlazeShaman> k
11:26 <Sutekh> Its a tool nothing more
11:30 <Sutekh> An Insanely good tool
11:33 <Sutekh> but just a tool
11:36 <Mekkis> I have a printout with the statblocks of the 4 creatures I summon
11:54 <BlazeShaman> that wouldn't be too hard to setup
11:57 <Mekkis> (small earth elemental, celestial lion, celestial rhino, hound archon)
12:03 <BlazeShaman> Okay, I might go for an element
12:05 <Sutekh> SIMBA!
12:05 <Mekkis> but you also need to know what they DO
12:15 <BlazeShaman> sure
12:20 <Wrothmonk> you will need advanced players guide then. 30$ I think
12:23 <Mekkis> which you need to know the flow of the game to be able to do that without slowing down the game
12:29 <Sutekh> PDF is cheaper
12:32 <BlazeShaman> sure
12:33 <BlazeShaman> thanks heaps
12:40 <Sutekh> np
13:00 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, thought it was still 30$ for the pdf though, more like 40 or 50 for the book
13:01 <Sutekh> THe only problem I have half the time is that there are too many options
13:03 <BlazeShaman> ill steer clear of summon based characters
13:08 <Sutekh> Wroth: Not sure
13:26 <Mekkis> pretty sure all the PDFs are around $10
13:55 <Wrothmonk> I'm fairly certain they arent...
14:28 <BlazeShaman> okay, looking at elements now
14:40 <Sutekh> Blaze: Keep in mind that Sorcerers are generally more numerous in Society than Wizards. An Illusionist would be even rarer. Way cooler to be sorta unique though
14:40 <BlazeShaman> any better than others?
14:51 <BlazeShaman> yeah
14:52 <Sutekh> Well Heart is the best obviously.
14:57 <Sutekh> Fire I enjoy
15:16 <Mekkis> keep in mind that the power of a wizard increases with the number of people who are playing wizards
15:20 <BlazeShaman> air sounds need
15:22 <Sutekh> Water is fairly limited in that you get a swim speed and the ability to breath underwater at some point
15:27 <Sutekh> Which might be useful
15:28 <Sutekh> might not be
15:36 <BlazeShaman> sounds... eh
15:37 <Mekkis> keep in mind that there are quite a few wizards who frequent this channel
15:39 <Sutekh> yeah
15:39 <Wrothmonk> Well it could save your life
16:09 <Sutekh> Like I said Wood and Metal both look fairly interesting
16:13 <Wrothmonk> My main sorcerer (Rumil) can no longer go near a puddle with ought being ridiculed :P
16:13 <Sutekh> if quite specific
16:36 <BlazeShaman> how often would you be underwater though?
16:42 <Wrothmonk> Not often
16:44 <Sutekh> depends on the module
16:49 <Sutekh> and if you are doing so on purpose
16:52 * Sutekh looks at Rumil
17:35 <Sutekh> As an Elementalist though, you have a more focused 'banned' sort of magic
17:40 <BlazeShaman> fire and air seem good so far
17:45 <Sutekh> Ie my Wizard has to memorise Water spells with 2 slots
17:53 <BlazeShaman> yeah
17:56 <BlazeShaman> because of opposition
17:59 <Sutekh> But he would never  learn one to begin with
18:01 <Sutekh> Exactly
18:21 <Wrothmonk> Rumil has a swim skill of a whopping 3
18:24 <Sutekh> Which is why in a recent adventure, he would never of gone in to the water to save a fellow character
18:29 <Sutekh> from drowning
18:34 <Sutekh> He might send a summoned animal in
18:36 <Sutekh> but never himself
19:02 <Brunius-> Avatar,where do you get your computer parts
19:10 <Wrothmonk> I believe you sent in a squid, or was it somebody else?
19:19 <Sutekh> I sent in A Celestial Squid
19:23 <Sutekh> It saved your life
19:26 <Sutekh> You are welcome.
19:26 <BlazeShaman> lol
19:26 <Wrothmonk> Yup
19:56 <Sutekh> See what I mean Blaze. Summon spells are cool, and you can tailor what you are bringing in for different needs
20:05 <BlazeShaman> is that just because of rp reasons, or because going into water would actually be dangerous?
20:08 <Sutekh> I needed a sea monster which could grapple to hell Wroths character escape
20:18 <Sutekh> So Celestial Squid which is a decent grappler
20:31 <Wrothmonk> well having 8 arms may have something to do with it.
20:34 <Sutekh> Blaze: Both. My character has no swim modifier and a fear of water
20:39 <BlazeShaman> k
20:41 <Wrothmonk> or is it more since its "celestial"
20:55 <Sutekh> Still as Wroth will tell you .. it saved his ass
21:02 <Sutekh> He was worried a lot his character was dead
21:06 <Wrothmonk> That it did.
21:08 <Sutekh> He even said it twice before he was saved
22:40 <Sutekh> Later on in the lists you get some really interesting things to summon
22:43 <Sutekh> Like Celestial Elephants
22:47 <Sutekh> Which do kick some ass
22:50 <Wrothmonk> elephants? really?
22:56 <Sutekh> Yeah
22:58 <Wrothmonk> XD
23:06 <BlazeShaman> air or fire i think...
23:13 <Sutekh> Man, if I had been level 5, I would of summoned a Celestial Shark!
23:15 <Sutekh> and owned you
23:43 <Wrothmonk> I think it would still be better if it was the squid, it was more of a grapple situation than a tear the living flesh off the thing.
23:57 <Sutekh> Shark might of gone for you as well
23:58 <Sutekh> Good point
24:03 <Wrothmonk> eXACTLY.
24:06 <Wrothmonk> Exactly*
24:14 <MekkisScreen> umart
24:24 <Sutekh> Blaze: You can also summon in multiple lower level monsters with a higher level summon monster spell
24:29 <BlazeShaman> fire has some interesting abilities
24:32 <BlazeShaman> yeah i know
24:39 <Sutekh> Blaze: Yeah it does.
24:53 <Wrothmonk> ok
24:55 <Sutekh> Ive yet to use the Fire cloak power but everything else has been good
24:57 <Wrothmonk> I just realised
25:00 <Wrothmonk> blazeShaman
25:09 <BlazeShaman> fits
25:11 <Wrothmonk> Fire elementalist wizard
25:15 <Wrothmonk> :P
25:28 <BlazeShaman> it's settled
25:31 <BlazeShaman> the matter's settled
25:38 <Sutekh> Air is also a very good choice
25:38 <Sutekh> and Earth
25:38 <Wrothmonk> Yup.
25:50 <BlazeShaman> hello
25:50 <Wrothmonk> XD I don't think you will persuade him.
25:58 <BlazeShaman> D:
26:05 <BlazeShaman> stop undermining my assuredness
26:16 <BlazeShaman> i always get like this; I can never choose
26:21 <Sutekh> and keep in mind that if you are concentrating on an element, you are boned if you come up against a creature immune or with resistance to your elemental damage type
26:38 <Sutekh> So If my fire elementalist was having to fight a fire elemental
26:40 <Wrothmonk> I didn't think of that...
26:47 <Sutekh> Lets just say he would find it very difficult
26:47 <BlazeShaman> yeah but nothing is fun without a bit of challenge
26:56 <Sutekh> Exactly my view!
26:57 <BlazeShaman> and you can always carry around non fire spells
27:02 <MekkisScreen> hel
27:02 <Wrothmonk> Although I don't think you find yourself against fire elementals a lot.
27:04 <Sutekh> No reward without any risk!
27:12 * Sutekh coughs and smiles and looks at Wroth
27:19 <Sutekh> Keep telling yourself that
27:22 <Mekkis>  14:26  up   4:30,  6 users,  load average: 0.09, 0.10, 0.07
27:30 <BlazeShaman> FIRE IT IS
27:34 <MekkisScreen>  23:27:33 up 174 days, 19:29, 14 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
27:40 <BlazeShaman> phew
27:41 * Sutekh points out that enemy wizards can also summon monsters
27:42 <BlazeShaman> now onto skills
27:51 <Wrothmonk> … damnit.
27:58 <Brunius-> Murica
28:12 <Wrothmonk> Huh?
28:36 <Brunius-> Murica
28:58 <Sutekh> Ive no idea what hes trying to mean either Wroth
29:02 <BlazeShaman> 'Merica?
29:04 <Wrothmonk> Mmk
29:05 <Brunius-> I don't have to explain shit
29:06 <Sutekh> Maybe he fell asleep on his Keyboard
29:12 <Wrothmonk> possibly
29:20 <Wrothmonk> although its oddly specific responses.
29:22 <Sutekh> Would explain the shit :)
29:23 <Brunius-> Cos this is murica
29:29 <BlazeShaman> like, short for America?
29:33 <Sutekh> Possibly
29:37 <Wrothmonk> omg
29:42 <Wrothmonk> google murica
29:47 <Brunius-> BlazeShaman. A net split occurs when an irc network of multiple servers has some of those servers disconnect
29:51 <Brunius-> Oh em gee
29:52 <Wrothmonk> :united states of america shows up
30:18 <BlazeShaman> okau
30:20 <BlazeShaman> okay*
30:21 <BlazeShaman> thanks
30:25 <BlazeShaman> i guess the knowledges id have would be determined by my char's background
30:27 <Brunius-> Yeah
30:39 <Brunius-> Thus if I'm connected to one, and you to another, we'll appear to disconnect
30:57 <BlazeShaman> spellcraft, K: Arcana, K: Planes, K: Nature maybe, uhh perhaps Linguistics...
31:02 <BlazeShaman> sure
31:05 <BlazeShaman> id have 1 more
31:08 <Sutekh> I always put points into Linguistics
31:10 <Wrothmonk> quick question blaze, do you like dragons?
31:12 <Sutekh> Knowledge Local
31:21 <Sutekh> Perception
31:23 <Sutekh> Diplomacy
31:25 <Sutekh> all useful
31:29 <Sutekh> Survival
31:30 <BlazeShaman> perception
31:33 <Wrothmonk> Swim: usefull
31:36 <BlazeShaman> why?
31:37 <Sutekh> meh
31:44 <Sutekh> Dont go in water
31:47 <BlazeShaman> btw, when playing a session that starts say at 6pm and runs til 10pm - are there ever any breaks?
31:47 <BlazeShaman> I am partial to dragons
31:48 <Sutekh> Swim less useful
31:54 <Wrothmonk> I'm joking
31:56 <BlazeShaman> k
32:05 <Sutekh> At level 7, you could possible get a Fairy Dragon as a Familiar
32:13 <Sutekh> My character might one day
32:17 <Brunius-> Higher levels are fond of water 
32:19 <BlazeShaman> one day...
32:50 <Sutekh> You should be planning every level a long way in advance
32:53 <Mekkis> we don't do many evening sessions
32:54 <Sutekh> Its a very good idea
32:55 <Wrothmonk> I probably shouldn't mention the other classes you could have then. More confusion
33:02 <Mekkis> at least not starting at 6pm
33:04 <BlazeShaman> nuuu
33:05 <Mekkis> at least I don't
33:07 <BlazeShaman> dont you dare
33:24 <BlazeShaman> I have finally decided
33:28 <BlazeShaman> D:
33:32 <BlazeShaman> yeah there is this one on tomorrow, a first starts one which would be great, seeing as I've never played before
33:34 <BlazeShaman> OKAY TIME FOR FEATS
33:39 <Brunius-> He's in a different timezone
33:49 <BlazeShaman> GMT+11
33:50 <Sutekh> You have done stats?
33:53 <BlazeShaman> yes
33:55 <BlazeShaman> it starts at 6pm on the schedule
33:58 <BlazeShaman> id done that before
33:59 <Brunius-> Or not
34:01 <BlazeShaman> and my dinner would be at 7pm
34:03 <Sutekh> You Human?
34:19 <BlazeShaman> elf
34:20 <Wrothmonk> I thought you had done elf
34:27 <Sutekh> Then you get one feat
34:31 <Brunius-> Humans are op
34:36 <Sutekh> If it was me Id take Spell specialisation 
34:37 <BlazeShaman> open to other races if a good reason is given
34:42 <Wrothmonk> Humans are awesome!
34:45 <BlazeShaman> how so? Like legit; want to know
34:46 <Brunius-> Avatar, Ballig, topic is gone
34:46 <Sutekh> Its one of my favorite if very focused feats
34:53 <Brunius-> Humans are op
34:54 <Sutekh> meh
35:01 <Wrothmonk> Thus awsome.
35:05 <Wrothmonk> plus you are human
35:19 <Sutekh> Im not so sure
35:26 <Wrothmonk> Good point :P
35:29 <BlazeShaman> I've always loved elves
35:32 <Brunius-> You'd have to talk to the gm about that
35:41 <BlazeShaman> I can thank Tolkien for that
35:46 <BlazeShaman> Yeah, i know
35:50 <BlazeShaman> Likely I'd just have to miss it
35:50 <Brunius-> Who in this case I think is Ballig
35:53 <BlazeShaman> which is a shame
35:54 <BlazeShaman> Yep
36:11 <BlazeShaman> how many feats do humans get?
36:17 <Sutekh>  an extra one
36:42 <BlazeShaman> ah
36:57 <BlazeShaman> which would be better for a wizard?
37:02 <BlazeShaman> the +2 int and +2 dex is neat for elves
37:07 <Sutekh> I took Greater Spell focus (evocation)
37:09 <Brunius-> Most, if not all, of our games span a meal
37:12 <Wrothmonk> probably elf
37:15 <Sutekh> on top of my free spell focus (evocation)
37:23 <Wrothmonk> maybe half elf, leme check
37:44 <BlazeShaman> What usually happens?
37:46 <BlazeShaman> why evocation?
37:48 <BlazeShaman> There is a break?
37:56 <Sutekh> Because most fire spells are!
38:02 <Sutekh> just kidding
38:03 <Wrothmonk> nope, elf would be good.
38:09 <Sutekh> Because Im a direct damagey kinda spellcaster
38:13 <BlazeShaman> btw spell specialisation; where do I find that feat? it doesnt seem to be found in the core rulebook
38:16 <Brunius-> Mekkis generally tells us to take a 15 min n break, then comes back in an hour
38:26 <Sutekh> Ultimate magic
38:29 <Sutekh> another book
38:32 <Brunius-> I generally eat at the computer
38:36 <BlazeShaman> k
38:40 <Sutekh> Wizards get put in lots of different books
38:46 <BlazeShaman> lol
38:47 <Wrothmonk> D&D traditions are strong in pathfinder
38:48 <Sutekh> Essentially it lets you cast one spell at +2 caster level
38:58 <Sutekh> So for me it was Burning Hands
38:59 <BlazeShaman> oh k
39:02 <BlazeShaman> i see it
39:04 <Sutekh> At level 1 I cast at level 3
39:09 <BlazeShaman> I'll see what I can sought out I guess
39:09 <Brunius-> Where are you from?
39:09 <BlazeShaman> neat
39:12 <Sutekh> 3d4 instead of 1d4
39:15 <BlazeShaman> Sydney
39:27 <Sutekh> and every even level you can swap it out for something else
39:44 <Sutekh> Soon ill swap out burning hands for fireball
39:54 <Brunius-> Don't know of we've got any other Sydney players
39:54 <BlazeShaman> is it better as a wizard to support your main damage dealers rather than to be a blaster yourself?
39:59 <Sutekh> 7d6 instead of a 5d6 fireball
40:04 <BlazeShaman> really?
40:04 <Wrothmonk> depends.
40:05 <MekkisScreen> to do damage, yes BlazeShaman 
40:08 <Sutekh> Depends what you want to do
40:09 <BlazeShaman> because wizards dont have the dependant damage
40:15 <BlazeShaman> All of the stuff happens at Melbourne :S
40:21 <BlazeShaman> like; consistent damage
40:29 <Sutekh> If you can act before your fellow party members
40:37 <Sutekh> THen you can be as direct as you want to be
40:38 <MekkisScreen> 7d6 averages do 24.5 damage
40:50 <BlazeShaman> hmm
40:59 <BlazeShaman> are air spells more along those lines?
41:10 <Sutekh> Well look at this air type spells
41:15 <Sutekh> Lightining bolt
41:17 <Sutekh> etc
41:19 <MekkisScreen> at fifth level, your Standard greatswording barbarian will be doing much more
41:20 <BlazeShaman> k
41:34 <Sutekh> Of course fireball affects a 20ft radius
41:50 <MekkisScreen> true
41:56 <Sutekh> The issue you get is Barbarian rushes in
42:01 <Sutekh> making the fireball impossible to cast
42:02 <BlazeShaman> mekkisscreen, do you happen to know which specialisation might be good to consider for a more supporting wizard?
42:04 <MekkisScreen> but the enemies you care about, number three at most
42:22 <Wrothmonk> And now we are back to indecision :/
42:26 <Sutekh> lol
42:27 <MekkisScreen> what do you mean specialisation?
42:33 <Wrothmonk> arcane
42:37 <BlazeShaman> arcane school or elemental school
42:37 <Wrothmonk> wizard
42:41 <MekkisScreen> oh
42:46 <MekkisScreen> the school you choose?
42:47 <Sutekh> heh
42:50 <BlazeShaman> yes
42:54 * Sutekh winces
43:04 <Wrothmonk> Shall I mention the dragon stuff now that we are back to indecision?
43:05 <MekkisScreen> as opposed to the school you take Spell Focus in
43:20 <MekkisScreen> transmutation, or conjuration
43:21 <BlazeShaman> spell focus is a feat isnt it?
43:26 <BlazeShaman> okay
43:27 <MekkisScreen> it is
43:41 <BlazeShaman> so im back to considering transmutation again
43:45 <MekkisScreen> but in PFS, wizards get it for free instead of Scribe scroll
43:55 <BlazeShaman> ohhh
43:57 <BlazeShaman> neat
43:59 <MekkisScreen> BlazeShaman: describe your character
44:16 <MekkisScreen> (without using any class or ability in the description)
44:21 <BlazeShaman> im building it out of what role i play in combat rather than any sort of character
44:28 <BlazeShaman> is that bad?
44:44 <Sutekh> So you character enjoys combat?
44:50 <Sutekh> Does he /she live for combat?
44:53 <Sutekh> or Canberra
44:55 <Sutekh> or Brisbane
45:10 <MekkisScreen> well, it's missing the point, really: unless you were born and brought up in one largely continuous fight
45:11 <BlazeShaman> not necessarily
45:15 <BlazeShaman> k
45:21 <BlazeShaman> well that's what i will do now then
45:28 <BlazeShaman> I do like creating backstory
45:41 <Sutekh> Whats that place in Golarion where it is constant warfare?
45:44 <Sutekh> Badwall?
45:52 <Sutekh> Where all the paladins go to die
45:55 <BlazeShaman> Melbourne is getting PAX haha. I saw that one coming though
46:02 * Sutekh always forgets
46:05 <MekkisScreen> Galt :S
46:08 <MekkisScreen> Lastwall?
46:09 <Sutekh> Worldwound?
46:12 <Sutekh> Thats it!
46:17 <BlazeShaman> i dont have access to that lore book, inner sea worlds or something
46:24 <MekkisScreen> yeah, but people don't live there
46:27 <MekkisScreen> :)
46:27 <Sutekh> Blaze: Use the wiki I linked you to
46:37 <Sutekh> Well things do, but they aint people :)
46:51 <BlazeShaman> yeah im on it
46:53 <Sutekh> I was surprised it wasnt the Gold Coast or Brisbane
46:58 <BlazeShaman> it's the d20pfsrd right?
47:02 <MekkisScreen> no
47:08 <MekkisScreen> it's Golarion wiki
47:12 <BlazeShaman> oh k
47:14 <BlazeShaman> wrong one
47:21 <BlazeShaman> really?
47:39 <BlazeShaman> this is probably a task for tomorrow though
47:41 <Sutekh> Honestly, if you are this undecided now, you need to approach this differently by finding an idea there and running with it
47:44 <BlazeShaman> getting late
47:49 <BlazeShaman> yep
47:55 <Sutekh> Or we are going to suggest something and you will want to jump that new ideas bones
47:58 <Sutekh> because its new
48:02 <Sutekh> and possibly better
48:26 <BlazeShaman> Yep I see my error
48:30 <Wrothmonk> I think that may be what we have been doing for the past hour or so.
48:34 <BlazeShaman> create a person first
49:15 <MekkisScreen> were you born in a city, farm, camp, wilderness?
49:20 <MekkisScreen> cave?
49:39 <Sutekh> Yeah,  these guys from overseas generally want the sun and sand and well.. those two. Melbourne while having both rarely has them together at the same time.
50:03 <Sutekh> Elves are found in cabbage patches dammit!
50:09 <Wrothmonk> XD
50:10 <Sutekh> I lived for a few years in Williamstown. I remember the beach there as well... pretty ordinary
50:16 <Mekkis> in Kyonin?
50:18 <Sutekh> compared to what i have now
50:21 <Mekkis> where most of the elves live?
50:25 <Mekkis> or in some other city?
50:29 <BlazeShaman> Im looking into it
50:32 <Sutekh> Now However i just have to avoid the occasional shark attack :)
50:33 <BlazeShaman> thanks for all the guiding questions
50:44 <Sutekh> He could be an elf from the other continent. THe loosely based on Asia one
51:05 <BlazeShaman> I think I'm going to be sort of a 'wanderer', but from a city background
51:10 <Mekkis> ah
51:14 <Mekkis> a forlorn
51:37 <Sutekh> Having said that I love Melbourne.. and not just because it has Lord of the Fries
51:40 <Sutekh> A Clint Eastwood Spagehetti Western type Elf
51:49 <Sutekh> Its because I rarely have to drive anywhere
51:53 <BlazeShaman> Possibly having lived amongst mortals, and now am changed by their everchanging nature, or perhaps haunted by those I've out lived
51:54 <Mekkis> what made you take up studies of the arcane?
52:09 <Mekkis> actually, before that
52:15 <Mekkis> were you in the upper class?
52:18 <Mekkis> royalty?
52:22 <Mekkis> slums?
52:24 <Mekkis> sewers?
52:29 <Mekkis> traders?
52:35 <BlazeShaman> I'd be middle-upper
52:51 <Mekkis> who raised you?
53:16 <BlazeShaman> I still need to read into the lore
53:20 <Sutekh> You could of been raised in a City in the Darklands!
53:25 <BlazeShaman> To understand how elf society works
53:27 <BlazeShaman> and the geography
53:28 <Sutekh> and learnt strange magic
53:33 <Sutekh> before leaving
53:34 <BlazeShaman> and political events
53:50 <Wrothmonk> Buy another $50 book!
53:57 <Wrothmonk> All on elves!
54:04 <Wrothmonk> No rules jsut elves!
54:10 <Wrothmonk> jk.
54:12 <Mekkis> I would highly recommend reading Queen of Thorns, by David Gross. It's quite a good book, even from a novel perspective (rather than an RPG-tie-in perspective)
54:14 <BlazeShaman> haha
54:17 <BlazeShaman> or read a wiki
54:21 <Mekkis> it's also cheapish
54:29 <Wrothmonk> ohgodiwasrightithink
54:33 <BlazeShaman> id like to try the game before sinking money in
54:36 <Mekkis> true
54:37 <Wrothmonk> How much does it cost?
54:58 <Sutekh> Anyway Im gonna go sleep
55:01 <Mekkis> $6.99 for the ebook, $9.99 for paper. + $AU20 for shipping to Australia :(
55:10 <Wrothmonk> mmk
55:11 <Wrothmonk> so not $50
55:13 <BlazeShaman> trying to make a character here, a wizard; what skills should I go for? ive got spellcraft, knowledge: arcana, knowledge: planes, but I'm not sure about what else
55:14 <Wrothmonk> I was off
55:21 <Sutekh> Wroth: I think you may need to do a Math course
55:23 <BlazeShaman> many many links between this world and Tolkien's i have to say
55:25 <BlazeShaman> not a bad thing
55:30 <Mekkis> partly
55:30 <Sutekh> All the costs you have suggested so far have been way off the mark
55:42 <Mekkis> Sutekh, he's talking $HK
56:00 <Wrothmonk> no us, just kinda exagerating
56:05 <Wrothmonk> US*
56:15 <Mekkis> 1 US Dollar equals 7.75 Hong Kong Dollar
56:19 <Sutekh> HK has $? I though they used the Yuan Chinas currency
56:35 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, I was giving you an out. You're supposed to take it!
56:46 <Wrothmonk> heh.
56:52 <Sutekh> Appwell Linquistics for starters
56:56 <Sutekh> Mekkis : You know what? I knew he wouldnt take it :)
56:57 <Sutekh> more languages = win
57:12 <BlazeShaman> appwell?
57:17 <Sutekh> Know local is good
57:22 <Wrothmonk> How?
57:23 <Sutekh> lol sorry
57:30 <Sutekh> must of been typing something else
57:33 <BlazeShaman> k
57:34 <BlazeShaman> ty
57:36 <Sutekh> train of thought hit a roadblock :)
57:44 <Mekkis> BlazeShaman, so. Raised in a city of humans by elves (one or two, parents probably?)
57:45 <BlazeShaman> still got 1 more point
57:57 <Sutekh> Perception
58:02 <Sutekh> the skill everyone needs
58:03 <BlazeShaman> k
58:07 Sutekh has quit (Quit: Leaving)
58:09 <BlazeShaman> ty
58:11 <BlazeShaman> im not decided yet
58:35 <Mekkis> The Pathfinder Society is a globe-spanning organization based out of Absalom, the world's largest city. The membership consists primarily of Pathfinders, adventurers who travel throughout Golarion, usually inconspicuously, and explore, delve, and otherwise experience the lesser-seen parts of the world. They send journals back to their venture-captain, who also assigns them new missions and suggests new places to explore. 
58:53 <Mekkis> What would your reason for joining such a society be?
59:10 <BlazeShaman> hmm
59:16 <Mekkis> (that's a question that EVERY pfs character, without exception, should be able to answer)
59:22 <BlazeShaman> thanks, i gtg now - thanks for talknig
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