// #d&d — 2013-01-07
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03:54:31 <Ballig> now you're just arguing for the sake of it
03:54:34 <Avatar> and rulings would be worked out if they worked together, as steven says they seem to be doing
03:54:51 <Steven> So i dont understand what the big deal is about elven immunities and ghoul paralysis
03:55:21 <Ballig> in my opinion a GM would be reasonable to intepret a ghoul's inability to paralyse an elf as being due to 'elven immunities'
03:55:21 <Avatar> Steven: if you have a character that swaps out elven immunities for another racial trait, are you vulnerable to a ghoul's paralysis
03:55:39 <Ballig> and giving away elven immunities might open you up to that ability working on you
03:55:40 <Steven> are you an elf?
03:55:45 <Avatar> yeah
03:55:49 <Ballig> Avatar has an elf that gave up elven immunities
03:56:04 <Avatar> half-elves seem to be able to do the same thing
03:56:11 <Ballig> half-elves are also immune according to a FAQ
03:56:17 <Ballig> the way I see it, their common link is elven immunities
03:56:24 <Steven> then elves are immune to the effect as per the special attack of the ghoul that lists elves are immune to it
03:56:30 <Ballig> then why are half-elves
03:56:39 <Steven> because they count as both human and elfs
03:56:43 <Avatar> yes but are they immune because of the elven immunities trait, or because they're elves
03:57:07 <Steven> they are immune because it lists that they are immune in the special attack
03:57:33 <Avatar> ballig thinks it's because of the trait
03:57:48 <Ballig> as far as I'm concerned if you give up elven immunities, you give up your elven immunities
03:58:11 <Steven> if it were because of the trait it would say if you have elven immunities you are immune to this effect
03:58:24 <Ballig> except that the bestiary was written before you could give up that trait
03:58:36 <Steven> thats how i would rule it, but its balligs table
03:58:45 <Ballig> hypothetical table
03:58:51 <Ballig> it hasn't even remotely come into play
03:58:56 <Ballig> Avatar is just freaking out about it because I disagreed with him
03:59:03 <Ballig> and he's hell bent on changing my mind
03:59:09 <Avatar> I am freaking out because I don't want to be paralysed
03:59:23 <Steven> he can rule it how he wants and until an official ruling comes out that contridicts his ruling thats how it will play out
03:59:32 <Ballig> then look at your "consensus" and decide whether it's worth the risk, considering only a couple of people agree with me
03:59:45 <Steven> at his tables
03:59:54 <Steven> at my tables your an elf and so are immune
03:59:58 <Steven> table variance is a bitch
04:00:06 <Avatar> not getting official rulings is a bitch
04:00:14 <Steven> such is life
04:00:42 <Ballig> you literally cannot get official rulings on every little thing you want one on
04:00:45 <Ballig> that's just how it goes
04:01:11 <Ballig> you need to suck it up
04:02:08 <Steven> oh look, im a star voter
04:02:19 <Avatar> it's not cool that you're expected to suck it up instead of them having a proper system to get official rulings
04:02:31 <Ballig> it's impossible man
04:02:32 <Ballig> jesus h. christ
04:02:36 <Avatar> it's not that we literally cannot, it's that we literally won't
04:02:41 <Ballig> if you want complete rigidity, play an MMO
04:03:21 <Ballig> it's like yesterday when an NPC cast glitterdust and one of the players thought the glitterdust lingered and was going to make him blind if he walked into it
04:03:27 <Ballig> because one or two other GMs he's had has ruled that way
04:03:43 <Steven> ouch....
04:03:45 <Ballig> is that something else that someone at Paizo is meant to magically be aware is an issue of not-complete-agreement and make an official ruling on it?
04:03:47 <Ballig> how does that happen?
04:03:50 <Steven> that is a terrible ruling
04:03:58 <Ballig> what about every single spell and every single possible situation it can be used in?
04:04:01 <Ballig> official rulings for everyone?
04:04:18 <Ballig> let's not create new content for the game, let's just make official rulings all day so that GMs aren't free to interpret any rules at all and might as well be computers reading from a script
04:04:51 <Avatar> it's hardly something they should "magically be aware of" if it's been posted on their messageboards in their rules forum
04:05:09 <Ballig> I had never known about there being any variances in the way glitterdust was ruled
04:05:10 <Ballig> were you?
04:05:16 <Avatar> no
04:05:27 <Brunius> That sounds like a dodgy internet ruling
04:05:42 <Ballig> so you're saying that the developers - the people with the authority to make these rulings, but who are also the people working on new content - should spend literally their whole day reading the forums?
04:05:46 <Ballig> and making official rulings for every situation?
04:05:53 <Ballig> let me tell you, if that started there would be a LOT more posts
04:06:04 <Ballig> it wouldn't just be a matter of "well right NOW there are only 325 people asking for rulings"
04:06:07 <Ballig> it would absolutely explode
04:06:21 <Avatar> no
04:06:28 <Avatar> I am saying VCs should be able to pitch in to help make official rulings
04:06:34 <Steven> theres a forum for that, it is the ask james jacobs forum
04:06:37 <Ballig> that's specific to Pathfinder Society
04:06:49 <Avatar> are JJ's rulings official?
04:07:18 <Ballig> and, like I said, you are going to end up with robot GMs
04:07:19 <Steven> he is the Creative Director
04:07:22 <Ballig> who aren't allowed to interpret anything
04:07:29 <Ballig> because HOLD ON, LET ME GO TO THE FORUMS AND GET AN OFFICIAL RULING ON THIS
04:08:00 <Avatar> do his rulings count as official though
04:08:06 <Ballig> and I bet you a lot of VCs would tell you they have their hands full with their current responsibilities and don't have time to be making official rulings on the boards
04:08:11 <Ballig> and what happens when two VCs disagree?
04:08:17 <Avatar> then they work it out
04:08:18 <Ballig> what happens if a VC actually isn't that experienced at GMing?
04:08:32 <Ballig> yeah, you clearly haven't thought this out in the slightest
04:08:35 <Ballig> and you are just talking out your ass
04:08:36 <Avatar> and if they can't work it out, they escalate it
04:08:44 <Avatar> you sound like you just don't want to see an official ruling
04:08:55 <Ballig> I would love to see an official ruling if it would shut you the fuck up
04:09:20 <Ballig> of course, I know that it will only work until the next time someone doesn't agree with how you interpret a rule
04:11:44 <Steven> im back, my dad called me
04:12:44 <Steven> James Jacobs is the creative director of Paizo. I am/was under the impression if he says something works in some way, that is the way it works.
04:13:17 <Steven> Perhaps only trumped by Mike Brock and only when it has to do with PFS
04:17:02 <Steven> damn... i just realized i have to create a new level 1 character
04:17:23 <Steven> because i assigned credit to -13
04:18:26 <Steven> !throw 1d10
04:18:27 <diebot> Steven, 1d10: [1d10=8] 8
04:18:37 <Ballig> don't have to make it until you play it
04:18:54 <Steven> looks like its another aasimar
04:20:52 <Steven> hmmmmm.... should i random to see what class i get...
04:20:56 <Steven> or should i let somebody pick it
04:21:21 <Ballig> cavalier
04:21:40 <Steven> hmmmm should i limit it to the favored class options
04:21:58 <Ballig> 12 levels of cavalier
04:22:22 <Steven> i really am unimpressed by the cavalier
04:22:42 <Steven> ride by attack, spirited charge, ad nausium
04:22:43 <Ballig> so am I, that's why I suggested it
04:22:59 <Ballig> oh, and you have to use a longsword - not a lance
04:23:10 <Steven> okay, ballig ill let you choose, bard, cleric, inquisitor, oracle, paladin, sorc, summoner
04:23:20 <Ballig> but I already chose
04:23:26 <Steven> notice cavalier isnt on there even though its a favored class
04:23:31 <Steven> i know, but i got to veto one
04:23:40 <Ballig> samurai
04:23:48 <Steven> samurai is not on that list
04:23:56 <Brunius> paladin
04:23:57 <Ballig> you are stacking the deck
04:24:14 <Ballig> I still have to decide what to make my level 2 character
04:24:32 <Steven> no thats everything except cavalier on the Alternate favored class option list
04:24:47 <Steven> because i love alternate fav class
04:25:05 <Steven> ill help ya with your 2nd level char
04:25:16 <Steven> you help me build this one
04:25:46 <Steven> otherwise imma have to !rand
04:26:01 <Ballig> I'm thinking druid, summoner (that uses summon monster instead of an eidolon) or fighter (archer)
04:26:48 <Steven> druids are amazing
04:26:51 <Steven> summoners generally slow down the game
04:27:04 <Ballig> your face slows down the game
04:27:10 <Steven> i cannot dispute this
04:27:30 <Steven> alright gonna rand i guess
04:27:33 <Ballig> summoners wouldn't slow the game down a lot more than anything else with a companion (e.g. druid) or that can summon monsters (most spellcasters)
04:27:57 <Steven> !rand bard cleric inquisitor oracle paladin sorcerer summoner
04:28:06 <dicebot> Steven, random: cleric
04:28:11 <Steven> cleric it is!
04:31:05 <Steven> time to go look at some archtypes
04:32:50 <Steven> so far ive had a life oracle which has been the equivalent of a healbot cleric, and a utility cleric, i think its time to go with a melee beatstick cleric or a blaster cleric
04:32:57 <Steven> !rand melee blaster
04:32:58 <dicebot> Steven, random: melee
04:33:04 <Steven> oh mans!
04:33:41 <Steven> looks like its time for some crazy melee cleric
04:35:11 <Ballig> !rand armour noarmour
04:35:12 <dicebot> Ballig, random: noarmour
04:35:21 <Ballig> damn, looks like you have to be a cleric that doesn't wear armour
04:35:38 <Mekkis> !rng commoner aristocrat cleric
04:35:38 <diebot> Mekkis, aristocrat
04:37:05 <Mekkis> hmmm
04:40:27 <Steven> 13/16/16/10/14/10
04:41:06 <Ballig> !rand 13 16 16 10 14 10
04:41:06 <dicebot> Ballig, random: 16
04:41:10 <Ballig> 16 strength
04:41:16 <Ballig> !rand 13 16 10 14 10
04:41:17 <dicebot> Ballig, random: 16
04:41:22 <Ballig> 16 dex
04:41:27 <Ballig> !rand 13 10 14 10
04:41:28 <dicebot> Ballig, random: 10
04:41:30 <Ballig> 10 con
04:41:34 <Ballig> !rand 13 14 10
04:41:35 <dicebot> Ballig, random: 10
04:41:37 <Ballig> 10 int
04:41:39 <Ballig> !rand 13 14
04:41:40 <dicebot> Ballig, random: 14
04:41:42 <Steven> yeah no, not gonna random stats man
04:41:43 <Ballig> 14 wis
04:41:44 <Ballig> 13 cha
04:41:47 <Ballig> oh, why not
04:42:02 <Steven> 13/12/18/8/14/10 for high hp
04:42:13 <Steven> well higher hp
04:42:16 <Ballig> you'll need high hp without any armour
04:42:26 <Steven> im wearing armor ballig... you so silly
04:42:34 <Ballig> but I randed it
04:43:16 <Steven> dont really want to channel at all, so i could dump cha
04:43:24 <Steven> down to an 8...
04:43:58 <Brunius> channelling is overrated
04:44:20 <Steven> do 13/16/16/13/15/7
04:44:31 <Steven> which isnt very efficient...
04:44:34 <Avatar> channelling is overrated until it saves lives
04:44:46 <Ballig> I like to use chanelling as my only form of healing
04:44:50 <Ballig> so I can save my spells for doing something useful
04:46:26 <Steven> there we go, i can get rid of channeling all together
04:46:33 <Steven> Divine Strategist
04:47:53 <Steven> level dip Tower Shield Fighter for proficiency in heavy armor and what not
04:48:47 <Ballig> did you rand that
04:49:06 <Steven> not yet
04:49:08 <Steven> lets rand
04:50:00 <Ballig> !rand fighter monk wizard oracle cavalier
04:50:01 <dicebot> Ballig, random: wizard
04:50:06 <Ballig> looks like you're multiclassing as a wizard
04:51:16 <Steven> nah, im investigating which ones to random
04:51:23 <Ballig> are you stacking the deck
04:51:44 <Steven> I am totaly stacking the deck, its allowed since im making the rules bwahahahahaha
04:52:26 <Steven> nah, fuck it, ill worry bout it when i reach level 2
04:53:41 <Avatar> why roll randomly if you are going to change your mind and reroll later
04:54:04 <Steven> i haven't rolled randomly, ballig rolled randomly before i created the list
04:54:35 <Steven> ive decided i dont have to worry about it since i have 12 different characters to play...
04:54:55 <Steven> Ill worry about it if i ever level him up to level 2
04:55:04 <Ballig> you don't even have to build the character until you're looking to play it
04:55:38 <Steven> yeah, but i never know when that will be
04:55:47 <Steven> might be on wednesday, might be in a month
04:55:52 <Steven> depends on how things down at the shop go
04:56:13 <Avatar> [20:27] <Steven> !rand bard cleric inquisitor oracle paladin sorcerer summoner
04:56:14 <Avatar> [20:27] <dicebot> Steven, random: cleric
04:56:14 <Avatar> [20:27] <Steven> cleric it is!
04:56:17 <Avatar> you rolled randomly !
04:56:26 <Ballig> he's got you there
04:57:22 <Steven> He doesnt have me, I took level 1 in Cleric...
04:57:38 <Ballig> you thought you fooled us but you didn't
04:57:48 <Steven> at level 2 i will make up a table and roll randomly again to deccide what he will take then
04:58:01 <Steven> either level dip in fighter or keep going cleric
04:58:15 <Ballig> I already rolled wizard
04:58:15 <Steven> also... his name is Rand lol
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19:58:04 <Steven> you rolled before the list was made, its an invalid choice
19:58:10 <Ballig> wasn't the main character in Breath of Fire 2 named Rand
19:58:33 <Steven> i dunno
19:59:26 <Steven> oh man.... the domain powers for protection pretty damn nice
19:59:36 <Steven> Your faith is your greatest source of protection, and you can use that faith to defend others. In addition, you receive a +1 resistance bonus on saving throws. This bonus increases by 1 for every 5 levels you possess.
19:59:37 <Ballig> who said you were taking the protection domain
19:59:52 <Steven> i havent yet, but its goin on the list!!
20:04:23 <Steven> ballig, you can choose a domain, i of course can veto one suggestion you make... all domains that have channel based abilities are off limits as i dont have channel class feature
20:04:52 <Ballig> artifice
20:05:20 <Steven> lol, good pick, i love it!
20:05:53 <Steven> would you rather pick one of its sub domains or just artifice?
20:06:01 <Ballig> artifice!
20:06:14 <Steven> cool cool
20:07:59 <Ballig> and glory
20:08:11 <Ballig> oh that includes a channel granted power
20:08:15 <Ballig> is that one out
20:09:18 <Steven> yeah
20:09:20 <Steven> that ones out
20:09:22 <Ballig> okay
20:09:23 <Ballig> community
20:11:43 <Steven> you only get to pick one! unless of course you can sell me on the domain... then ill add it to the list
20:11:57 <Ballig> oh only one
20:11:58 <Ballig> then artifice
20:12:24 <Steven> I'm thinking Protection, Artifice, War(tactics), and Repose(Souls) and one more that i need to find
20:12:42 <Ballig> how do you get so many domains
20:12:47 <Steven> I only get one
20:12:56 <Steven> this is the list to !rand from
20:13:06 <Ballig> oh I only got to choose one domain to add to the rand list
20:13:27 <Steven> maybe LIberation domain
20:13:48 <Mekkis> what's the deity?
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20:14:10 <Steven> we have yet to rand for that since its MUCH MUCH MUCH more restrictive on the Domains we can draw from
20:14:24 <Mekkis> so choose a deity first
20:14:27 <Mekkis> then choose domains
20:14:42 <Steven> nah
20:14:58 <Steven> cause then we would have to decide on an alignment right now as well
20:15:22 <Mekkis> ok
20:15:26 <Mekkis> choose alignment
20:15:30 <Mekkis> then deity
20:15:30 <Steven> screw it, thats a good list
20:15:37 <Steven> !rand Protection, Artifice, War(tactics), and Repose(Souls)
20:15:39 <dicebot> Steven, random: Artifice,
20:15:44 <Steven> Artifice it is!
20:15:45 <Mekkis> otherwise you're shoehorning
20:16:06 <Steven> mekkis... its my character i can shoehorn as i see fit bwahahahahahah
20:17:36 <Steven> now i gotta go make a list of who has the artifice domain
20:19:24 <Steven> !rand torag soralyon apsu minderhal droskar haagenti yueiral brigh mammon malthus ose sabnach yamasoth cixyron stygidvod daikitsu yaezhing
20:19:24 <dicebot> Steven, random: ose
20:19:34 <Steven> OSE IT IS.... if its pfs legal that is
20:19:40 <Mekkis> 57.83% done, 46:21:17 elapsed
20:20:12 <Steven> seems as if i worship a LE god
20:20:17 <Steven> well infernal duke
20:20:22 <Mekkis> oh no
20:20:58 <Steven> spiked gauntlet is his favored weapon lol
20:21:25 <Steven> AWESOME!
20:21:32 <Steven> im already wanting to play this character lol
20:22:11 <Steven> im feeling like i should be chelaxian... lets rand and find out
20:23:06 <Steven> !rand andoran glodge osirion sczarni silver cheliax LL shadow taldor
20:23:06 <dicebot> Steven, random: shadow
20:23:15 <Steven> shadow lodge.... oh very interesting!
20:23:46 <Steven> an aasimar devil worshiper that assists the shadow lodge
20:23:55 <Steven> oh man... shit just got real
20:29:02 <Mekkis> Steven, you've just revealed that qadira's not in season 5!
20:29:23 <Mekkis> quick! let's put it on the boards!
20:29:43 <Brunius> do eeeet
20:30:24 <Steven> i knew i was forgetting on
20:30:29 <Steven> !rand reroll keepit
20:30:30 <dicebot> Steven, random: keepit
20:30:39 <Mekkis> also: don't trust !rand
20:30:43 <Steven> seems as if im keeping shadow lodge
20:30:43 <Brunius> That's hardly fair to qadira
20:30:53 <Steven> mekkis... i dont care how random it actually is
20:31:05 <Mekkis> ah
20:31:11 <Mekkis> you're letting Ballig choose your character
20:31:17 <Steven> im fine with that
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20:35:42 <Mekkis> Brunius, have you done cube drafts?
20:37:23 <Brunius> Negative
20:37:36 <Mekkis> have you heard of it?
20:37:45 <Brunius> Yeees
20:38:20 <Mekkis> I'm building an all-rare cube
20:38:29 <Mekkis> out of rares I found on my desk
20:38:51 <Mekkis> I'm about 2/3 of the way there
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20:42:22 <Steven> hmmm.... wonder if im allowed to pick Craft: Puzzle Cubes
20:42:30 <Mekkis> I don't see why not
20:42:42 <Steven> since my god is trying to build a brobdingnagian device powered by an ancient protean relic which has the power to drive men insane just by gazing at it.[
20:42:52 <Mekkis> I prefer Perform: Aerial Bombardment
20:42:56 <Steven> i view that as like the puzzle box from Hellraiser
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20:43:13 <Brunius> I might have to switch to a windows-native IRC client
20:43:19 <Mekkis> why?
20:43:21 <Brunius> Hmm, I could run a VM....
20:43:28 <Brunius> xchat keeps crashing
20:43:34 <Brunius> for no apparent reason
20:43:43 <Mekkis> or run irssi in a external server
20:45:52 <Mekkis> if you want an account on us.ti4200.info, I can set you up
20:50:52 <Mekkis> 236/360
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21:28:38 <Avatar> just use andchat
21:34:09 <Brunius> on windows?
21:34:19 <Avatar> no on android
21:37:14 <Mekkis> just use ssh
21:39:01 <Mekkis> mindterm,
21:43:32 <Mekkis> telnet
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21:53:35 <Steven> bach!
21:54:00 <Sutekh> Mozart!
22:09:59 <Mekkis> Chopin
22:10:14 * Sutekh chops Mekis's head off
22:10:46 * Mekkis watches Sutekh murder someone
22:17:52 <Steven> damn shame about mekis
22:17:57 <Steven> such a nice fellow
22:22:24 <Sutekh> yup
22:22:42 <Sutekh> unlike that one that shares a bed with Pauline Hanson.
22:25:41 <Steven> character ready to play
22:39:51 <Mekkis> Mark My Words -- Finally a collection in book form of all of Mark Rosewater's famous essays. Includes classics like "Why Bad Cards are Essential to the Health of Magic," "Why Bad Expansions are Essential to the Health of Magic," "Why a Bad Creative Team is Essential to the Health of Magic" and "Check Out My Awesome Action Figures." As a special bonus, this includes Mark's classic ghost-written columns (by Mike Long and Charles Manson). Not to be missed!
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22:50:30 <Sutekh> Steven: Do you have any idea what he is talking about?
22:50:34 <Sutekh> I dont play this magic thing
22:50:52 <Sutekh> Wasnt Charles Manson a murderer?
23:08:03 <Steven> holy balls in a toaster
23:08:05 <Steven> its 5am
23:08:07 <Steven> im goin to bed
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23:24:00 <Mekkis> wow
23:24:02 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l4kc?Feats-Prerequisite#18
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