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17:03 <Mekkis> I'm tossing up between Deceased and Mytiazair
19:41 <Mekkis> I think Itzamna will probably stay at 8th until he's played Heresy of Man
20:53 <Mekkis> or other Season 3 things
05:02 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA | WotW: Feb 9th 2pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
05:02 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Jan 12 23:29:28 2013
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38:16 <Steven> what up yo
51:11 <Avatar> dunno who I'll play
51:29 <Avatar> I'd like to play buck or snickers, but I would kind of like to risk Cairo's neck
06:54 <Steven> hangin at my moms house today waitnig for a package to be dropped off..... bored out my fuckin mind
07:07 <Avatar> run a game
08:20 <Steven> at 4am?
08:26 <Avatar> yeah
08:26 <Steven> are there even 4 people here?
08:36 <Avatar> Mekkis is probably here
09:50 <Avatar> I am going to bed though so run something I have played !!
58:23 <Avatar> aon is fixed
59:25 <Ballig> did you only sleep for 3 hours
01:54 <Avatar> or did I sleep at all ?
01:59 <Ballig> yes
02:00 <Ballig> for 3 hours
02:05 <Avatar> or did I ?
02:07 <Ballig> yes
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22:11 <Avatar> might run first steps 3 on saturday
22:35 <Avatar> I don't have any characters that need the credit
33:12 <Antichthon> Does that require you to have done first steps 1 and 2?
33:44 <Ballig> no
34:00 <Antichthon> Cool. I'd be interested.
42:27 <Brunius> I don't have one.
42:39 <Mekkis> where do you put your D&D/Pathfinder stuff?
45:06 <Brunius> What D&D/Pathfinder stuff?
46:07 <Brunius> sup matt
51:00 <Mekkis> pdfs
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55:24 <Avatar> wroth what levels are your PFS characters
00:13 <Avatar> I'll schedule a game tonight unless someone else wants to run it
12:02 <Sutekh> err
12:12 * Sutekh looks at Brunius
12:16 <Mekkis> Sutekh, have you played Race for Runecarved Key?
12:46 <Sutekh> Mekkis: No
12:49 <Sutekh> Bruinius: Did you mean me t hen?
12:50 <Brunius> Yep
12:50 <Sutekh> Like I said Mekkis, I have only been playing since August of last year
12:55 <Sutekh> I havnt played a lot
13:00 <Mekkis> ah
13:18 * Sutekh is quite stumped how Brunius knows his real name
13:21 <Mekkis> are you arriving Thursday or Friday?
13:35 <Sutekh> I arrived the night before it starts
13:40 <Sutekh> So 24th
13:53 <Sutekh> doh.. keep forgetting i put that stuff in my hostmask :)
13:59 <Mekkis> Sutekh, check out your "real name" in your IRC client
14:04 <Sutekh> i prefer Matthew though :)
14:06 <Mekkis> also: your skype
14:32 <Sutekh> Yeah I know how to do a /whois
14:39 <Sutekh> just forgot that stuff was there
14:39 <Mekkis> (I at least force you to jump through a few more hoops to get my name :P)
14:47 <Mekkis> (if Brunius doesn't leak it)
15:00 <Brunius> You've impressed upon me that you don't want it leaked
15:16 <Mekkis> we should run a game on Thursday night!
15:18 <Wrothmonk> level 1 and 3 although if the game runs to late I won't be able to play. Its a school night for me.
15:33 <Mekkis> I'm arriving on Thursday too
15:49 <Mekkis> Avatar, you keen for that?
16:43 <Mekkis> something benign like Master of Fallen Fortress
17:05 <Brunius> I still haven't played MoFF
17:13 <Mekkis> nor has Avatar 
18:04 <Sutekh> Sorry, when I mean Thursday night I essentially mean late late night
18:07 <Sutekh> I get in at like 11 pm
18:16 <Wrothmonk> if you start at around 4-5 gmt -6 then I'm good to go.
18:21 <Sutekh> I was supposed to get in at 5 in the afternoon but that change my flight details
18:49 <Mekkis> ah
18:54 <Mekkis> what about Friday morning
19:02 <Sutekh> Yeah i wasnt happy either
19:03 <Mekkis> it doesn't start until around 2pm rego
19:13 <Sutekh> lol.. I guess i could do Friday morning
19:15 <Sutekh> Just have to know where to go
19:33 <Mekkis> we could go to Goodgames Blackburn
19:37 <Mekkis> that would be... interesting
19:51 <Sutekh> Where is Blackburn from the CBD?
20:01 <Brunius> About 20min train
20:02 <Brunius> Along the Belgrave/Lilydale Line
20:07 <Sutekh> Do they have gaming space?
20:08 <Mekkis> you get on a train, and get off at Blackburn
20:14 <Mekkis> they do
20:23 <Brunius> They have, oh, 15 tables?
20:31 <Sutekh> wow
20:53 <Mekkis> I'm staying at Kew, which is between Blackburn and Collingwood
20:57 <Sutekh> The only shops gaming wise I know of in MElb is Mil sims.. which always seemed closed to me, Mind Games and some place under a mall
21:00 <Sutekh> cant quite remember its name
21:01 <Sutekh> Dungeon?
21:06 <Sutekh> something like that
21:06 <Brunius> Dungeon of Magic
21:12 <Sutekh> thats it!
21:14 <Brunius> There's a Good Games in the CBD
21:16 <Sutekh> I kept on finding it by accident
21:24 <Mekkis> they have tables too
21:26 <Brunius> About four minutes from Melbourne Central Station
21:30 <Sutekh> Shows you how long its been since I went to Melbourne
21:44 <Mekkis> (whatever you do, don't try it in Games Lab :S
21:55 <Brunius> Ha
22:00 <Brunius> Why?
22:41 <Mekkis> because I don't want James Mackay to know that I'm willing to pay for travel and accommodation when going for Pathfinder, but not when I'm going for Magic
23:19 <Brunius> haha
24:14 <Mekkis> (I was the only Brisbane judge who got WotC to pay for his accommodation in GP Sydney next week)
24:46 <Brunius> So not a good look to be seen paying for accomodation in melbourne the next week
25:01 <Mekkis> exactly
25:26 <Mekkis> (and yes, I am staying at the Pathfinder motel) :P
25:30 <Sutekh> So you are a big wig in this card game business?
25:39 <Mekkis> me?
25:42 <Mekkis> hell no
26:05 <Mekkis> I'm one of the four L2 judges in the Brisbane backwater
26:16 <Sutekh> IS that good?
26:25 * Sutekh has never played Magic
26:38 <Mekkis> James Mackay is the only L4 judge in Australia
27:09 <Mekkis> but Brisbane (and the rest of QLD), as a whole, has been rather empty of judges
27:12 <Antichthon> If you have room for me, I'd like to play as well, but I'm operating under about the same restrictions as Wroth.
27:32 <Antichthon> I wouldn't want to play beyond midnight gmt -6 on a school night.
29:09 <Mekkis> L2 is the highest level you can be without making it a part-time job, it seems
29:37 <Mekkis> last I checked, the L3s in Australia either work at card shops or study PhDs
34:33 <Avatar> I'll run it at a time that suits both of you
34:42 <Avatar> if I can work out when that is, because you two are 7 hours apart
35:22 <Avatar> wroth if it's 9.30pm there, you're 11 hours behind and I'm in GMT+11
35:34 <Avatar> something doesn't add up
35:49 <Wrothmonk> yeah it doesn't… maybe I got my time mrssed up
36:10 <Avatar> what time is it there
36:15 <Wrothmonk> 3:36
36:23 <Avatar> ok you two are one hour apart
36:25 <Antichthon> Wroth and I are in the same time zone.
36:33 <Antichthon> It's 3:36 here, as well.
36:35 <Avatar> then your time is screwy as well !
36:42 <Avatar> oh wait I checked yours an hour ago
36:47 <Wrothmonk> heh.
36:55 <Antichthon> Well, that would do it.
37:01 <Avatar> is friday night a school night for you?
37:01 <Wrothmonk> actually that would be gmt -6
37:26 <Wrothmonk> No.
37:28 <Antichthon> Friday night I can stay up at late as necessary.
37:31 <Wrothmonk> same here
37:44 <Avatar> you missed what I was talking about earlier
37:49 <Avatar> I'm talking about running first steps 3 on saturday
38:29 <Avatar> probably an hour or two from now on that day
38:48 <Wrothmonk> ok
38:56 <Wrothmonk> I thought you were talking about a game tonight
39:14 <Avatar> yeah my bad
39:16 <Avatar> you joined later
39:39 <Wrothmonk> its K
39:55 <Wrothmonk> so yeah any time should be good as long as its after 3 for me.
40:13 <Avatar> Antichthon: have you played a PFS game before
40:20 <Antichthon> No, I haven't.
40:21 <Wrothmonk> I don't think he has.
40:25 <Avatar> oh you are in for a treat
40:27 <Avatar> let me tell you
40:47 <Wrothmonk> is first steps 3 as bad as 1 and 2?
40:51 <Antichthon> Well, good!
40:56 <Avatar> what do you mean as bad
41:05 <Avatar> this is training
41:36 <Wrothmonk> well I never signed up for an invisible wasp and hour long blindness!
41:44 <Avatar> oh yes you did
41:51 <Avatar> lesson learned, am I right
42:02 <Avatar> just a few things you will learn to deal with
42:06 <Avatar> and next time you'll be stronger
42:15 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, as a zombie.
42:27 <Avatar> that's the spirit.
42:28 <Mekkis> FS3 is harder!
42:35 <Avatar> I gotta run
42:37 <Wrothmonk> ...
42:58 <Mekkis> you know, after running through FS3, I should run Darkest Vengeance
43:03 <Mekkis> that's "easy"
43:27 <Wrothmonk> its not that I don't like a challenge, I just /hate/ invisibility and blindness.
43:58 <Mekkis> don't worry then
44:12 <Mekkis> Sutekh, have you registered?
44:27 <Wrothmonk> I'll give it a go I guess.
49:16 <Mekkis> Brunius, how does it feel to kill off a fellow party member?
51:40 <Sutekh> Mekkis: Yeah, I did some time back
51:48 <Brunius-> Fire!!!!!!
51:57 <Sutekh> Like a loooong time ago, I think Im Attendee 4 :)
52:18 <Sutekh> AON hasnt got any better though
53:10 <Mekkis> doesn't let you sign up for more than one PFS session :S
53:10 <Antichthon> Here's a question. When playing the First Steps introductory series, a first level character must take the standard advancement track for exp. But, my character will be coming in at First Steps 3. Does that mean I have to take a full 1 xp for just that scenario, or continue to take full xp until second level, regardless of the following scenarios?
53:50 <Mekkis> For some reason, room availability is extremely limited at Arcanacon this year.  I'm unsure why, maybe they have to pay up front for number of rooms hired, I don't know.  I have been told that we'll have rooms allocated for pre-registered tables, but don't expect to be able to gain any extra room once pre-registration has closed.  This includes the Special!  The clear message to walk away with here is - PRE-REGISTER YOUR SESSIONS NOW OR YOU'LL MISS OUT!
54:16 <Brunius-> Oooh
54:26 <Brunius-> Alrighty
54:33 <Brunius-> To aon
54:46 <Mekkis> not sure if I'm supposed to tell you that, but I think I should
54:49 <Mekkis> yeah
54:53 <Antichthon> Or, would you recommend I take full xp for every scenario, making the whole issue moot?
55:02 <Mekkis> what we SHOULD do is register about 50 no-shows for PFS :)
55:23 <Sutekh> Well its been updated since 2 days ago
55:37 <Sutekh> before It didnt tell me about the double sessions or race
55:44 <Sutekh> so it must have just been added
55:52 * Sutekh has been keeping an eye on the site
56:42 <Mekkis> oh, and it's on warhorn now
57:23 <Brunius-> I have to p're register on both?
58:26 <Mekkis> ja
58:42 <Mekkis> Aon to say that you'll be there, Warhorn to say what you'll be playing
01:20 <Brunius-> Aon won't let me sign up
01:47 <Brunius-> Says I need to sign up for only two sessions of pfs
01:56 <Brunius-> Instead of 10
03:21 <Mekkis> email Arcanacon and Darkwhite
04:20 <Brunius-> Saying what
04:45 <Brunius-> "The site is broken, but I will be there"
04:49 <Mekkis> "I intend to play in every PFS session at arcanacon but I can't sign up for all of them."
06:06 <Sutekh> ahh Warhorn!
06:12 <Sutekh> I should have realised
06:29 <Sutekh> is there a link to the particular part of warhorn I need to register to on the arcanacon website?
06:32 <Mekkis> "Warhorn: There are worse ways to schedule events"
06:36 <Sutekh> if not there should be
06:46 <Mekkis> http://warhorn.net/melbourne-pfs/schedule/month.php?year=2013&mon=1
06:58 <Mekkis> it's under melbourne-pfs
08:14 <Sutekh> Thats good for us
08:14 <Mekkis> ooh
08:23 <Mekkis> Beer is available at arcanacon this year!
08:31 <Sutekh> But what happens if you dont know about the warhorn bit?
09:03 <Mekkis> there's still a mustering period
10:52 <Sutekh> ooh... not much I can play that night
11:22 <Mekkis> not all sessions have been finalised
12:20 <Mekkis> oh no
12:28 <Steven> yeah
12:33 <Steven> thats right
12:53 <Brunius-> I'd hope they haven't been finalised
13:02 <Mekkis> sssh
13:23 <Avatar> I had dramas with aon earlier as well
13:53 <Brunius-> Did they get resolved?
14:43 <Sutekh> Says i cant sign up for anymore that 2 sessions
14:47 <Sutekh> To be honest, Ive never liked AON
14:54 <Sutekh> so I just signed up via Warhorn
14:58 <Sutekh> much easier
15:10 <Brunius-> You have to do both I think
15:31 <Sutekh> Well its hard to do both if It dosnt work properly
15:46 <Avatar> no
15:56 <Avatar> I was using my mobile but I just tried again and still can't figure it out
16:04 <Brunius-> Yeah, that's what I've been talking about
16:14 <Mekkis> indeed
17:07 <Brunius-> I'm gonna email the arcanacon orgs about it, and probably cc darkwhite
17:08 <Sutekh> Is Race for the Runecarved key one of these ones that grants boons?
17:24 <Brunius-> It's a special!!!
17:50 <Sutekh> sounds interesting
20:31 <Brunius-> Does anyone have darkwhite's email
20:37 <Brunius-> Oh
20:45 <Mekkis> pathfindersocietyoz@gmail
22:14 <Avatar> Sutekh: expect to die
22:25 <Sutekh> heh
22:34 <Avatar> I'm not joking
22:38 <Sutekh> Always Avatar
22:39 <Sutekh> Always
22:39 <Sutekh> otherwise why play?
22:45 <Avatar> it'll be the most fun you have dying, though
22:46 <Mekkis> Sutekh, oh, and don't play at tier 5-6
22:49 * Sutekh will keep some cash in reserve
22:58 <Mekkis> or 6-7
23:03 <Sutekh> 5-6 is bad?
23:25 <Avatar> is that a historic thing
23:42 <Mekkis> it seems that that level range is... unbalanced
24:04 <Mekkis> so... Casting Cloudkill in a special is a good idea?
24:46 <Sutekh> Well Ive signed up with My Gunslinger who is a 6
24:48 <Sutekh> nearly a 7
24:50 <Sutekh> so close :)
24:56 <Sutekh> So Ill see how that goes
25:04 <Sutekh> But yes, If I die.. you can say I told you so
25:39 <Sutekh> Currently its the only game he is playing in. Ive played Sanos and the Disappeared. So looks like it might be murders mark all day for one of those days
25:44 <Sutekh> I hope they put more modules on the system
25:50 <Sutekh> on the warhorn I mean
27:29 <Sutekh> and argh... Blakros and Storming on at the same time!
27:32 <Sutekh> dammit
28:18 <Avatar> we can run either of those
28:56 <Avatar> Mekkis Sutekh you guys having trouble registering sessions on aon as well?
29:17 <Sutekh> Avatar: Yes
29:24 <Sutekh> Since day one ! :)
29:37 <Avatar> can only register 2 sessions?
29:46 <Sutekh> Im also finding this weird. According to AON there is a pathfinder game on Friday
29:51 <Sutekh> Yet on Warhorn there isnt
29:55 <Avatar> yeah there is
29:59 <Avatar> games aren't up for friday yet
30:14 <Sutekh> ahhh
30:43 * Sutekh is effectively trying to sign up for every session of the CON
32:46 <Brunius-> I've just emailed the arcanacon orgs and darkwhite about it
32:56 <Brunius-> I'll let you know what comes up
33:29 <Sutekh> thanks
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37:57 <Mekkis> so
38:03 <Mekkis> trying to run ut on my phone
39:15 <Brunius-> Unreal tournament??
39:19 <Mekkis> ja
39:26 <Brunius-> ...
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45:42 <Avatar> looks like I'm not playing with you jokers for anything
46:23 <Avatar> except mekkis in the disappeared
47:20 <MekkisScreen> Antichthon: you haven't played enough to go on slow advancement
47:42 <MekkisScreen> it's a /very/ bad idea
47:44 <Antichthon> Alright.
48:55 <MekkisScreen> I put Nightmare on slow advancement. When he hit 2nd level. In September 2011.
49:04 <MekkisScreen> he still hasn't hit third
52:19 <Mekkis> maybe in the special
54:47 <Mekkis> who will you play in the special?
04:08 <MekkisScreen> one thing that helps when I'm sitting at medicare is that at least it isn't as bad as the US one
17:32 <Mekkis> I'm tossing up between Deceased and Mytiazair
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20:10 <Mekkis> I think Itzamna will probably stay at 8th until he's played Heresy of Man
21:21 <Mekkis> or other Season 3 things
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22:50 <spider21b> hi?
23:15 <Wrothmonk> hello
28:28 <spider21b> whats up?
28:48 <Wrothmonk> playing with nuclear reactors in minecraft.
39:20 <spider21b> nice
39:39 <spider21b> i really want to make an rpg for sliders
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29:20 <Brunius-> Darkwhite says the aon issues are being fixed
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05:40 <Brunius> Avatar, Mekkis,  AON signups are working
07:14 <Mekkis> I know
07:48 <Mekkis> Brunius, have you looked at and compiled that code?
08:38 <Brunius> Yes
08:46 <Brunius> From what I understand it no longer times out?
10:30 <Mekkis> more or less
10:40 <Mekkis> you're looking at selectsocket.c?
10:57 <Mekkis> the difference is that selectsocket.c doesn't continually poll the socket
11:58 <Mekkis> the next stage is to allow it to read from an input stream as well.
12:11 <Mekkis> I could use stdin, but stdin is somewhat... weird..
12:24 <Mekkis> so to get around that, I'm using a named pipe
12:32 <Mekkis> can you type:
12:37 <Mekkis> mkfifo input.pipe
12:44 <Mekkis> in the directory with the c sources?
13:24 <Brunius> Okay
14:16 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/multiple_input.c
14:22 <Mekkis> this handles multiple input
14:40 <Mekkis> you should be able to run it, and feed keyboard input into it
15:02 <Mekkis> ./a.out irc.austnet.org 6667 & cat - >> input.pipe
18:48 <Brunius> Won't compile
18:55 <Mekkis> what's the error?
19:20 <Brunius> What should the command for compiling be again, to check I'm not messing that?
19:30 <Mekkis> gcc multiple_input.c
21:23 <Brunius> And how would I be running it?
21:29 <Mekkis> ./a.out irc.austnet.org 6667 & cat - >> input.pipe
21:37 <Mekkis> maybe 
21:43 <Mekkis> ./a.out.exe irc.austnet.org 6667 & cat - >> input.pipe
22:01 <Mekkis> not sure what gcc produces
22:11 <Mekkis> something like a.out
22:43 <Brunius> ./a.out: No such file or directory
22:48 <Mekkis> ls?
23:18 <Mekkis> did gcc give any error messages?
23:28 <Brunius> Nope
23:43 <Mekkis> try gcc multiple_input.c -o minput.exe
23:57 <Mekkis> and then ./minput.exe irc.austnet.org 6667 & cat - >> input.pi
24:02 <Mekkis> and then ./minput.exe irc.austnet.org 6667 & cat - >> input.pipe
25:42 <Brunius> Looking up hostname...
26:16 <Brunius> I punched in NICK Brunius-- and USER one two three four, no response
27:41 <Mekkis> did you include the cat command?
27:57 <Mekkis> try running cat - > input.pipe in another terminal
28:25 <Mekkis> (same directory as everything else, obv)
28:49 <Brunius> No response
29:10 <Mekkis> you need to press enter after each command
29:46 <Brunius> Still nothing
30:11 <Mekkis> in the first terminal, ^C
30:14 <Mekkis> then type fg
30:31 <Brunius> No response the the ^C
30:46 <Mekkis> (as in ctrl+c)
30:55 <Brunius> Yeah, it didn't do anything
31:12 <Mekkis> do you have a command prompt?
31:24 <Brunius> Yes?
31:40 <Mekkis> what does fg give you?
32:13 <Brunius> current: no such job
32:21 <Mekkis> ok
32:27 <Mekkis> type cat input.pipe
33:15 <Brunius> Okay.
33:38 <Mekkis> do you see anything?
33:56 <Brunius> Nothing comes out of it
34:10 <Mekkis> in another terminal, do the cat - > input.pipe
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34:23 <Steven> BACH!
34:49 <Brunius> Okay?
35:04 <Mekkis> now type some stuff into that window
35:15 <Mekkis> and you should see stuff come out of the other window
35:30 <Brunius> Sorry, which other window?
36:14 <Mekkis> one terminal should have cat - > input.pipe
36:17 <Mekkis> where you type stuff
36:24 <Mekkis> the other terminal should have cat input.pipe
36:31 <Mekkis> where you should see it
36:47 <Brunius> cat input.pipe resolved immediately
36:57 <Brunius> It's back to where you would type in a new command
37:05 <Mekkis> what does ls -l input.pipe show
37:28 <Brunius> prw-rw-rw- 1 Ben None 0 Jan 15 13:13 input.pipe
38:06 <Mekkis> has cat - > input.pipe finished?
38:15 <Brunius> no
38:23 <Steven> mekkis i didnt make it over to my brothers house today
38:24 <Mekkis> type some stuff in there
38:31 <Mekkis> oh ok
38:52 <Steven> i'm going over to his house later this week i think
38:57 <Mekkis> is minput.exe running?
38:59 <Steven> ill get it done for ya, just might take a while
39:02 <Mekkis> (ps aux perhaps)
39:10 <Brunius> no, it isn't
39:11 <Mekkis> that's cool. The PDF might be rather... large
39:18 <Mekkis> check task manager too
39:47 <Brunius> It isn't
39:48 <Mekkis> (if you want to send a CD or USB stick, I can pay for postage if you'd prefer that to uploading it)
40:09 <Mekkis> try the cat input.pipe again
40:28 <Brunius> ah, working now
40:38 <Mekkis> cool
40:50 <Mekkis> then close the cat input.pipe and instead run minput.exe
40:54 <Mekkis> brb lunch
48:08 <Steven> im going to go make jambalaya
26:05 <Antichthon> cat input.pipe. Reminds me of a youtube video.
26:20 <Antichthon> They managed to rescue the kitten with a leaf blower.
31:35 <Wrothmonk> ^^^ I've seen that video
32:20 <Wrothmonk> I think I got as much of a clue as to what mekkis, brunius, and  steven were saying as you do.
33:01 <Brunius> I believe steven is pulling chronicle sheets out of every scenario for PFS
33:02 <Brunius> Ever.
33:27 <Antichthon> Oh, well.
33:32 <Antichthon> That sounds useful, but time-consuming.
43:23 <Steven> nope not doing that
43:29 <Steven> i was cooking jamabalya
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45:18 <Steven> its gonna be tasty
45:26 <Steven> Chicken, pork, sausage, and shrimp
45:30 <Steven> mmmmmmmmmm yeah
47:13 <Mekkis> Antichthon, it's not time-consuming. I wrote a program to do it
48:59 <Steven> so.... who wants to play a game?
49:13 <Brunius> Now?
49:22 <Steven> its called a pickup game
50:35 <Antichthon> Too late for me.
51:08 <Brunius> Sounds a bit dodgy
51:08 <Steven> hey i never said we were going to play... I just offered it is all
51:18 <Steven> up to everyone in the room
51:34 <Brunius> I'm up if it's in a tier compatible with 6
51:38 <Brunius> with level 6
52:25 <Brunius> Fucksake
52:35 <Brunius> That's the third bird to smash into that window in a week
52:58 <Steven> hmmmm i have a 1-5 prepped
53:03 <Antichthon> You're a living windex commercial.
53:21 <Wrothmonk> is it the same bird?
53:48 <Brunius> I don't know
54:19 <Steven> i suppose i could begin prepping a 5-9
54:22 <Antichthon> That'd be one dumb bird, but then again, I'm sure hitting a window doesn't do your brain much good.
59:22 <Steven> alright, so who wants to play?
00:09 <Steven> i've got a 1-5, i will prep a 5-9, so we have 1-9 covered
00:24 <Steven> since not many here have high level characters
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24:51 <Steven> i wish i had some etoufee
25:27 <Antichthon> Hey, you're cooking jambalya, while all I can do is suck on a bottle of hot sauce.
25:34 <Antichthon> Not that I'm complaining, but count your blessings.
25:44 <Antichthon> (It's good hot sauce)
26:25 <Steven> i think tomorrow i'll cook some etoufee
27:13 <Steven> shrimp and scallops
27:46 <Steven> a brown roux, garlic, red and green bell peppers, some onion, garlic...
27:48 <Steven> hmmmm
28:02 <Steven> i feel like im forgetting something
28:12 <Steven> celery!
28:23 <Steven> mmmmmmmm yeah.... etoufee tomorrow
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31:16 <vhzod> I'm still alive
32:22 <Steven> are you sure
32:33 <vhzod> pulse confirmed
32:44 <vhzod> ticking away my life
32:52 <Steven> maybe you are a cybernetic organism that has been programed to believe you are alive
33:06 <vhzod> My definition of life is pretty loose
33:09 <Steven> and have autonomical responses which prevent you from finding out you are actually not alive
33:30 <vhzod> And thusly would still consider myself alive
33:56 <Steven> yeah... but the rest of us.... we all know you're not alive
34:36 <vhzod> Good thing that doesn't matter
34:38 <Steven> i wont be tricked skynet!
35:45 <Antichthon> Yes. In truth vhzod, all who know and love you only pretend to for your benefit.
35:53 <vhzod> Nobody does
35:55 <vhzod> so its okay
35:56 <Antichthon> Behind your back, they laugh at the poor, ignorant non-living-thing.
36:04 <vhzod> I guess my parents do
36:11 <vhzod> My parents put up with a lot of shit
41:31 <Steven> parents usually do
41:51 <Steven> so i prepped another game for CA
41:59 <Steven> im up to like 7 or 8 games now
42:03 <Steven> woot woot
43:15 <Steven> alright, im gonna read up on runelords
43:38 <Steven> ill be here incase anybody needs to bother me with pfs stuff
43:53 <Steven> but dont be surprised if i dont respond in a timely fashion
43:58 <Mekkis> Steven, can you fix up some unreported scenarios for me?
44:05 <Mekkis> or don't VLs get that sort of access?
44:34 <Steven> you actually have to go to the VO of your area
44:42 <Mekkis> oh
51:53 <Mekkis> Avatar should apply to be VL of This Channel :P
52:37 <Steven> there are currently no Onlinve Venture Offiers
52:46 <Mekkis> no reason not to start now
54:23 <Steven> i think they are avoiding naming an online VO because it would give them authority all over the world
55:05 <Antichthon> I like your intelligent orc, Steven.
55:16 <Steven> what intelligent orc?
55:22 <Antichthon> I think he and my fighter would get along well.
55:23 <Antichthon> Oh, Kizzar.
55:26 <vhzod> In arcanum
56:03 <Mekkis> Steven, is there any issue with inconsistencies between reported date and chronicle sheet date?
56:38 <Steven> there shouldnt be anything unless someone wants to be exceptionally anal about an audit
57:00 <Mekkis> (I'm doing my precon audit now)
57:12 <Steven> and then if you explain the inconsistancy as an honest mistake and they are still an ass... they are breaking the dont be a jerk rule
57:44 <Steven> i dont see how it would be a problem
58:08 <Steven> and antich thats my step brothers character
58:12 <Mekkis> even if the dates on the chronicle sheet would put two chronicles applied out-of-order?
58:51 <Steven> i uploaded it incase he forgot his sheet at home again...
58:56 <Steven> Is the character legal?
59:24 <Mekkis> assuming there's nothing wrong with the chronicles, yes
59:46 <Steven> have you fudged any of the numbers in respect to gold, prestige, experience, or conditions gained/cleared?
00:35 <Mekkis> not to my knowledge
00:50 <Steven> then you should just glaze over the problem and apply them in the correct order by experience point gain.
02:16 <Mekkis> the sessions part of the site says "Player has already played scenario at session # 10 of event # 6808 PaizoConOz 2011 Brisbane on October 14, 2011. "
02:28 <Mekkis> but that's not reported as such
03:03 <Steven> contact the person who issued the sheet
03:20 <Mekkis> what I mean is that it appears to be corrected
03:38 <Steven> resolve the problem if there is one, and continue applying sheets
07:26 <Steven> so.... you played a scenario that you already had played?
07:57 <Steven> or is this a case of you applied player and Gm credit to the same character?
11:12 <Mekkis> neither. A scenario at PaizoConOz was reported as being Shadows Last Stand II rather than Shadows Last Stand I
12:58 <Steven> did they correct it?
13:07 <Mekkis> yes, but the message is still there
13:43 <Steven> contact your VO again
15:03 <Brunius> Sounds like an issue with the paizo system
17:08 <Mekkis> Brunius, I have 7.2kg of Magic cards for you
17:18 <Brunius> ...
18:49 <Brunius> ~4 thousand?
25:15 <Steven> mekkis you dumping your commons and uncommons on brunius?
27:36 <Steven> i dumped like 5k on this new kid at the shop... he was so thankful and im like its no probel...
27:50 <Steven> the whole time in my head im thinking BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA now i have more room!
28:17 <Brunius> I might need to start organising...
34:30 <Mekkis> Brunius, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/cards.JPG
34:34 <Mekkis> you're welcome
41:32 <Antichthon> Say, for the average level 1 scenario in PFS, what attack bonuses do the creatures generally have?
49:44 <Steven> +1-9
50:56 <Antichthon> Thank you.
52:52 <Antichthon> I'm still toying with the 8 con rogue character I'll eventually play, once I feel confident enough for the challenge. Wont be for some time, now that I've researched how difficult that would be to play. 
53:26 <Antichthon> Is it acceptable to have a skill monkey character that stays out of combat for the first few levels, or is it expected that every character should participate in combat?
53:56 <Steven> its expected that every character will be able to provide something while in combat
54:08 <Mekkis> Antichthon, any member of the Pathfinder Society needs to have been able to travel through the dangerous wilderness to get to Absalom
54:24 <Steven> even if for the first few levels you have a short bow that you just plink at people with
54:55 <Steven> like way of the wicked that mekkis is runing for us
55:08 <Steven> my character is a blight druid, 8 str 8 dex
55:31 <Steven> after initial combat managed to find a bow, picked it up and started shooting it, i even managed to hit once with it
55:51 <Antichthon> I'll get her a short bow, then. She's a fencer, but until I get spring attack, I don't think I should risk her unnecessarily.
56:04 <Steven> thats totaly fine
56:42 <Antichthon> Once she hits level 3, she'll be able to spring attack around. I think that'll be the best strategy to maximize her survivability.
56:48 <Antichthon> our level 4. I probably want toughness.
56:53 <Antichthon> or*
58:47 <Mekkis> Antichthon, what's your justification for "wanting a character with 8 con"?
59:04 <Antichthon> Another question. At level 1, she has an AC of 18. 8 HP. One of the feats I chose for her is dodge. Would toughness at level 1 be worth the loss of 1 AC?
59:12 <Antichthon> Concept character.
59:26 <Mekkis> what sort of concept requires 8 con?
59:39 <Antichthon> She's sickly.
00:43 <Antichthon> But, what do you think? Sacrifice 1 AC for 3 HP?
04:14 <Steven> mekkis, he wants to build a character thats sickly with 8 con... i told him its not the best idea and hopefully once he plays more pathfinder he will come to the same conclusion that having a negative on modifier is a bad idea.  Until that time gotta let him run with it.
05:37 <Steven> anyways, its a tossup really antich, with toughness you have 3hp but will get hit about 4.2% more of the time once modifers are taken into account
05:58 <Steven> at first level
06:19 <Mekkis> Antichthon, TBH, it doesn't matter. One crit and you're dead. AC will make you slightly harder to be critted
06:44 <Brunius> no...it...won't?
07:07 <Steven> theres a breakdown of hit vs AC on the forums somewhere and all the percentages by level
07:31 <Mekkis> Brunius, yes. Confirmation roll :S
07:42 <Brunius> ah, that makes sense
07:57 <Mekkis> I just hope that whoever GMs you doesn't fudge away the crit.
08:02 <Mekkis> Because Some GMs won't.
08:03 <Antichthon> You know, I do realize it's a bad idea. I'm not thinking about playing it because I'm ignorant of that.
08:20 <Antichthon> Oh, agreed. It's obviously got to be legit.
08:39 <Steven> I would fudge away if its first game... maybe even up to 3rd game, but once you hit second level gloves off
08:48 <Steven> and you would die
08:49 <Brunius> My Sczarni character went down first thing in his first fight
09:02 <Brunius> The mob won initiative, critted him and he's down
09:18 <Steven> is that the one where i crit max damage on your rogue with 10 con?
09:35 <Brunius> I don't think I've played under you yet, Steven
09:45 <Steven> hmmm... wonder who that was....
09:57 <Brunius> And my only rogue survived up to 6th level...before he died in a special...
10:10 <Mekkis> he got raised!
10:11 <Antichthon> I get the feeling I find certain things enjoyable that you can't relate to. Which is why it makes no sense to you that I'd make an 8 con character.
10:13 <Steven> but yeah crit with a short sword, 2d6+6 on a character with 8hp and 10 con
10:13 <Steven> true death!
10:20 <Antichthon> But, rest assured, it's a bad idea that I will like.
10:28 <Antichthon> And that's what's important.
11:13 <Brunius> You probably won't enjoy it if you die the instant you get into combat
11:23 <Brunius> But hey, it's your character
11:40 <Mekkis> you'll probably enjoy it less after dying after spending two months with your character
12:12 <Antichthon> Well, that's my price to pay.
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13:13 <Steven> problem is antichthon, when you walk up to a table with a character thats prone to dying(which 8 con is), knowing its a bad idea(because we have told you it is), you are not just placing your characters problems on your character but on the rest of the party... because now they have to keep you alive as its part of pathfinder tenants.
13:44 <Antichthon> You do have a point.
13:49 <Steven> and the thing with PFS is that you dont get to choose your table mates every time
14:03 <Mekkis> actually, not Pathfinder Tenants, common decency
14:26 <Mekkis> (I believe Brock said on the forums that refusing to provide aid does not constitute PvP)
14:39 <Antichthon> You're right, it wouldn't be proper unless I okayed it with the entire group beforehand.
14:49 <Antichthon> I didn't think of that. I'll keep that in mind as well.
14:53 <Steven> occationally you are going to be with none of your friends at a table and 4 people all looking at you like why the fuck did you make an 8con character
15:12 <Antichthon> In that situation, I'd use my fighter, though.
15:19 <Steven> yeah, always have a backup character
15:27 <Steven> infact, if you ever stepped up to GM
15:32 <Mekkis> and other people are going to be like "why the fuck did you make a rogue" :P
15:48 <Steven> i think everyone is going to say that anyways lol
16:15 <Brunius> That game of Golemworks we were in, Mekkis, that guy had a rogue that I thought was a fighter at first
16:44 <Mekkis> Steven, not if you don't make a rogue!
17:02 <Steven> btw, Ninja>Rogue
17:04 <Antichthon> Rogue's aren't well-liked in PFS?
17:18 <Mekkis> IMO, Rogue should be an NPC class
17:23 <Steven> well they are a subpar class compaired to their archtype the Ninja
18:15 <Steven> amen mekkis
18:53 <vhzod> All you need is some way to get disable device and you're set
19:04 <Steven> so, anyways like i was about to say, if you ever step up and gm that when you should make this character, apply GM credit to it to get it past what is going to be a very very very very very very very very very dangerous first couple of levels
19:05 <Mekkis> you mean like "put a rank in it"?
20:10 <Antichthon> All good ideas.
20:58 <Antichthon> In fact, looking at the ninja, it does look like it'd serve the purpose of duelist just as well, i'd just need to spend a feat for weapon proficiency: Rapier.
20:59 <Mekkis> ooh
21:11 <Mekkis> I have a copy of the Guide, v3.0.1
21:53 <Steven> I have every copy of the guide bwahahahahaahah!
22:12 * Steven feels like a dick
22:41 <Brunius> You are a dick :P
22:45 <Antichthon> I'm assuming trapfinding really isn't all that useful?
23:08 <Steven> not really, because you can jsut make a perception check to notice traps normally
25:07 <Mekkis> Steven, but have you read p19 of 3.0.1
25:30 <Mekkis> I like the "Don't read the scenario in order to criticise the GM's decisions" bit
25:41 <Brunius> HA
25:53 <Brunius> Was that around when Avatar was doing that
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26:01 <Mekkis> yes
28:08 <Mekkis> I should start the Campaign for Wizards in the Pathfinder Society
28:15 <Mekkis> Brunius, roll up a wizard
28:29 <Steven> I think if somebody wanted to buy teh scenario in order to criticise me, i'd be more than happy to listen to their critique and then tell them my exact reasoning for my actions
28:42 <Brunius> Why?
28:46 <Mekkis> what if they pirated the scenario?
29:43 <Steven> then i'd tell em they need to delete the pirated material as it was illegal to possess.
30:57 <Avatar> legal debate going on ?
30:58 <Avatar> I love these
31:01 <Avatar> what's the story
31:49 <Mekkis> oh that reminds me: is there any problem with giving out scenario printouts to local GMs?
32:20 <Avatar> to keep and rerun as often as they like forever?
32:28 <Brunius> If so, every con ever is gonna have trouble
33:07 <Avatar> the answer to that one is yes
33:25 <Avatar> there's obviously an expectation to buy them if you're going to do that
33:34 <Avatar> but not to run once, at, say, a con
34:10 <Avatar> there is a 7-11 running at arcanacon that I want to play in but it's in the same timeslot as a scenario I requested
34:28 <Steven> so, get some people in here up to 7-11 and i will run it.
34:29 <Mekkis> what did you request?
34:42 <Avatar> rise of the goblin guild
34:51 <Mekkis> Avatar, PLAY IT
34:52 <Brunius> Bairaq is 6.1 currently
34:54 <Steven> oh that one is so fun
34:56 <Mekkis> Goodall GMing Goodall!
35:00 <Avatar> yeah but I can play it anytime
35:06 <Avatar> I need the 7-11s
35:07 <Mekkis> not with Goodall GMing!
35:09 <Brunius> Oh god
35:15 <Steven> no you want to play it with goodall
35:21 <Steven> trust me on this one
35:26 <Avatar> how do you know
35:33 <Brunius> Avatar avoids Goodall like the plague
35:38 <Mekkis> trust me on this
35:45 <Avatar> if I'm going to play the scenario, i'd like him to run it
35:47 <Avatar> but I need the 7-11s
36:00 <Mekkis> Goodall will be running it
36:03 <Avatar> the only reason that table is getting my priority is because I asked nicely
36:12 <Avatar> yes I picked that up
36:14 <Avatar> but I have 3 level 9 characters
36:41 <Avatar> it's not a hard choice between goodall GMing one of his scenarios, even a good one
36:43 <Mekkis> you should request Wrath of the Accursed
36:46 <Avatar> and getting a single character to 12
37:04 <Avatar> probably, too late now
37:09 <Avatar> that's a 7-11 isn't it
37:14 <Mekkis> what? you can level up your characters anytime
37:26 <Avatar> no I can't, otherwise they'd be 12 by now
37:31 <Mekkis> getting Goodall to GM one of his scenarios is much harder
38:09 <Avatar> if I missed the opportunity, I wouldn't care
38:15 <Avatar> in the slightest
38:30 <Avatar> it's really not a selling point
38:46 <Steven> back
39:14 <Avatar> sunday is looking like a bit of a shit day considering what's scheduled
39:21 <Steven> and avatar, i can run any 7-11 content you guys want, you just have to find the people
39:35 <Avatar> yeah appreciate that
39:59 <Steven> ...  sarcasim? 
40:06 <Avatar> having to find the people isn't the same as levelling up my characters anytime
40:08 <Avatar> not sarcasm
40:24 <Avatar> I have been screaming to get my gunslinger and witch up forever
40:58 <Avatar> instead I've managed to create 4 or 5 low level characters and been forced to play them
41:08 <Avatar> GM credit has gone onto the level 9 character I don't want to play
41:16 <Avatar> and it's occurred to me that if I keep doing that, he's going to get to level 12 first
41:34 <Avatar> and the side effect of that is I'm running the other characters I want to play with out of the 5-9 tier 
42:00 <Steven> well find some people mang...
42:12 <Brunius> How many people with 7-11 characters do we have at the moment
42:19 <Ballig> 2
42:23 * Steven raises hand.
42:23 <Brunius> Mekkis, Ballig, Avatar, Steven?
42:28 <Ballig> 15
42:39 <Avatar> what
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43:00 <Steven> I have.... i wanna say 5 7+ characters
43:09 <Steven> hey jessica
43:11 <Avatar> how many at 12
43:16 <jessica> oh wow.. 
43:22 <Steven> one at 12 and one at 13
43:24 <jessica> hello Steven
43:36 <Avatar> you are laughing all the way to the bank
43:43 <Ballig> what bank
43:49 <Avatar> the bank
43:56 <Ballig> the character bank?
43:59 <Steven> trying to get Honey to 12 so i can run eyes of the 10 with her
44:01 <Avatar> yeah
44:11 <Avatar> I am itching to play eyes of the ten
44:19 <Steven> not as bad as i am
44:25 <Avatar> worse
44:26 <Avatar> much worse
44:26 <Steven> ive been waiting like 8 months
44:33 <Avatar> I've been waiting longer probably
44:51 <Steven> and jessica first time in channel?
45:20 <jessica> yes
45:21 <Steven> oh wait, my bad its like 11 months
45:25 <Steven> Welcome!
46:03 <Avatar> how come you haven't been able to get a game of eyes of the ten in
46:05 <Ballig> I have been waiting 3 years
46:34 <Steven> because no one at the shop wants to run it before they play it and i just recently got VL
46:47 <Avatar> there's 4 parts to it
46:49 <Avatar> take turns
47:09 <Avatar> or do you have idiots there who will refuse to pieces
47:24 <Steven> walter is waiting on the VC of seattle to play it, so that he can come over here and run it for us
47:48 <Avatar> so basically everyone is waiting for everyone
47:56 <Avatar> instead of sacrificing one part of four
48:07 <Steven> and he just recently posted on the dev boards that he is looking for a GM to run it, i stepped forth saying i dont care about it, ill run it
48:26 <Avatar> it's probably not even any good !
48:31 <Steven> and within like two hours there was 25-30 posts about how i need to play it first because its tradition
48:44 <Steven> and im like fuck tradition, lets game!
48:58 <Avatar> what's tradition
49:11 <Steven> playing eyes of the ten BEFORE you GM it
49:13 <Avatar> waiting years to play a game
49:20 <Steven> which is just dumb imo
49:47 <Ballig> pay someone to fly in and GM it for you
50:01 <Mekkis> hey, Matt Goodall's played it...
50:05 <Steven> but luckily from my arguements someone stepped up to the bat so Big Kyle should play it sometime in the next month or so
50:07 <Avatar> fly ballig in
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50:35 <Ballig> she was desperate and dateless, and you guys scared her off
50:42 <Steven> thats what Big kyle has offered; airfare, room and board, food.
50:51 <Steven> Yes our geek was too much for her
50:52 <Avatar> how do you know
51:41 <Mekkis> because I have access to his play history
52:51 <Steven> frankly if the people down at the shop were like Steve run the 10 for us, ide be like alright, got a healer, a meatshield, ranged, and arcane... okay lets do it
52:54 <Avatar> what
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53:56 <Steven> last check there were.... 8-9 level 12s without walter or my characters
55:02 <Steven> alright time to finish typing up my lecture
55:53 <Avatar> what, in the world
58:28 <Avatar> there's a chance I might run portal of the sacred rune at arcanacon
59:40 <Steven> if you need tips... hit me up
00:22 <Steven> ive played it once, run it twice and had a great time all three times.
03:17 <Avatar> ok give me some tips 
03:21 <Avatar> in pm
45:18 <Avatar> what is a good get out of grapple item or two
02:56 <Ballig> what was that 6k one
02:59 <Ballig> boots of escape?
03:39 <Avatar> 8k, only 30ft away
03:45 <Avatar> that is unlikely to be enough
03:57 <Ballig> I remember there was a 10k one too
03:58 <Ballig> a ring?
05:08 <Avatar> don't think it was a ring
05:11 <Ballig> there's ring of transposition, though the person you have wearing the other one might not like you
05:13 <Avatar> a cloak maybe
05:19 <Avatar> lol who carez
05:47 <Avatar> cape of the mountebank
05:52 <Avatar> 10.8k
06:04 <Avatar> dimension door 1/day
06:31 <Ballig> shoulder slot
06:33 <Steven> Alchemical Grease
06:44 <Steven> +5 bonus
06:47 <Avatar> who uses cloaks of resistance
06:49 <Ballig> alchemical grease is great if you know you're about to need the extra help grappling
07:12 <Avatar> losers, that's who
07:21 <Ballig> Bobbob can get boots of escape
07:23 <Ballig> they work for 400 feet for him
07:34 <Avatar> gnomes sux
08:01 <Steven> alchemical grease is great to have on hand... its cheap and is a good standby if you cant get out of a dildo field
08:15 <Avatar> can you use it while in one
08:17 <Steven> yeah... i crafted that to sound as dirty as possible
08:29 <Avatar> <?grappled
08:35 <Ballig> you have to know about that BEFORE you get hit with the tentacles
09:03 <Ballig> coating yourself in grease isnt' really something you can do while you're grappled
09:39 <Steven> actually it is something you can do while grappled
09:48 <Steven> move action to fetch it, standard action to apply it
09:55 <Ballig> you can only do things that require only one hand to perform
10:47 <Avatar> does it come as like a tube of toothpaste
10:52 <Ballig> ha
10:53 <Avatar> that could be one handed
11:24 <Steven> ballig, test this out for me, with one hand go open up a cupboard, pull out a glass.  Fill glass with water, put glass above head, upend glass above head.  Are you wet?
11:44 <Ballig> it's grease, not glass
11:50 <Ballig> try this: go open a cupboard, get a jar of vaseline
11:59 <Ballig> open that jar, put some on your hand, rub it all over your body
12:10 <Avatar> are we assuming we're doing this without setting down the jar
12:12 <Steven> i dont like the smell of vaseline
12:13 <Ballig> now do it in the middle of combat while you're being grappled by a 300 pound muscly man
12:20 <Avatar> use jam instead
12:25 <Ballig> sorry, i said "grease, not glass" - I meant "grease, not water"
12:40 <Steven> i dont have anyone to lick it off
12:45 <Avatar> lick it off yourself
12:51 <Steven> hehehee
13:00 <Steven> but no, you can apply grease in combat with one hand
13:21 <Ballig> I'd have to see something in the rules about that
15:08 <Steven> it does not say it takes an action longer then using a regular potion.  It does not specify the use of two hands.  Its activation time is understood to be a standard action and useable with one hand.
15:49 <Ballig> did you type that or paste it
16:00 <Steven> your ruling is that it does not specify any special conditions to use the alchemical grease.
16:10 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action that requires two hands to
16:10 <diebot> perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as
16:11 <diebot> hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
17:20 <Avatar> using items like that is always up to the GM to decide if it's one or two hands
17:25 <Avatar> the items would never say that
17:36 <Ballig> I mean, I appreciate you feel like it can be done with one hand in the middle of being grappled
17:48 <Ballig> but I personally couldn't see it that way unless I saw a rule that suggested it
18:04 <Steven> if that was the case then from now on my ruling is drinking a potion in combat will take two hands.
18:13 <Ballig> okay
18:16 <Ballig> that's your call
18:46 <Avatar> but drinking a potion is like your example of water
18:52 <Avatar> which isn't the same as the jam
19:37 <Avatar> unless maybe it's in a toothpaste tube
19:44 <Ballig> there's a picture in the APG
19:48 <Ballig> it's basically a jar of vaseline
20:17 <Avatar> is it a squeezable jar
20:40 <Ballig> depends whether you want stone chips in your skin
21:01 <Avatar> ah I see it
21:08 <Avatar> you can just throw off the lid and rub the top of its contents on yourself
21:29 <Avatar> if your skin is rounded enough you could theoretically get quite a lot of it on you
22:05 <Ballig> there's only enough substance to cover a medium creature
22:13 <Ballig> meaning you won't get far if you're just using "the top of the contents"
23:50 <Avatar> what if you're small
24:16 <Ballig> then it would still take half the jar
24:24 <Avatar> and you would be set to go
24:25 <Ballig> half the jar isn't sticking out the top
24:34 <Ballig> you'd still need to get your hand in there
25:02 <Avatar> ok how about this
25:03 <Avatar> you retrieve the jar
25:04 <Ballig> and keeping in mind you're trying to do this while some big dude has you in a bear hug
25:09 <Avatar> tug it between your underarm
25:14 <Avatar> unscrew it and apply
25:53 <Ballig> I personally believe that it's going to take two hands. if I had someone in a game at my table who was insistent on it, I might allow it with some sort of skill or ability check
26:04 <Ballig> but by default, I don't see me being convinced
26:53 <Steven> Activation: Drinking a potion or applying an oil requires no special skill. The user merely removes the stopper and swallows the potion or smears on the oil. The following rules govern potion and oil use.
26:54 <Steven> Drinking a potion or using an oil is a standard action. The potion or oil takes effect immediately. Using a potion or oil provokes attacks of opportunity. An enemy may direct an attack of opportunity against the potion or oil container rather than against the character. A successful attack of this sort can destroy the container, preventing the character from drinking the potion or applying the 
26:54 <Steven> oil.
26:55 <Steven> A creature must be able to swallow a potion or smear on an oil. Because of this, incorporeal creatures cannot use potions or oils. Any corporeal creature can imbibe a potion or use an oil.
26:56 <Steven> A character can carefully administer a potion to an unconscious creature as a full-round action, trickling the liquid down the creature's throat. Likewise, it takes a full-round action to apply an oil to an unconscious creature.
27:09 <Steven> those are the rules governing the activation of a potion/oil/grease
27:20 <Ballig> they are the rules of activating a potion or oil, yes
28:11 <Steven> no where does it list two hands, and as always specific trumps general.  Applying the grease to yourself is a one handed standard action.
28:27 <Ballig> no where does it list two hands
28:35 <Ballig> and absence of a rule does not equal a specific rule
28:44 <Ballig> sorry, nowhere does it list one hand
28:45 <Ballig> is what I meant to say
07:54 <Steven> bach!
08:24 <Steven> one of the dogs got out
12:21 <Steven> its way too damned cold outside
12:46 <Steven> its like -4 out right now
13:46 <Ballig> celsius or fahrenheit
13:53 <Steven> celsius
13:57 <Avatar> kelvin
14:00 <Ballig> that sounds pretty awesome to me
14:03 <Steven> i converted for you
14:10 <Ballig> during winter it's -10 at about 7am here
14:34 <Steven> yeah... it was warm today cept i ran outside to catch the dog without my coat
15:04 <Steven> so.... yeah my nipples are hard enough to cut diamonds!
17:55 <Steven> back to reading runelords
22:26 <Avatar> I wanted to up my pledge for pathfinder online yesterday
22:32 <Avatar> forgot all about it and it closed today
26:04 <Steven> sad panda
37:01 <Avatar> got my PFS pledge in though
37:04 <Avatar> that is the important part
37:12 <Avatar> PFS 4eva
40:14 <Brunius> $5 for a boon?
40:17 <Brunius> Are you fo srs
41:21 <Avatar> looks like a good boon
41:32 <Avatar> worst case scenario, I'm supporting pathfinder online
41:44 <Avatar> where I come from, there is a name for that
41:46 <Avatar> it's called win-win
43:11 <Ballig> what if pathfinder online sucks
43:32 <Avatar> what if your face sucks
47:20 <Steven> then gay guys will be happy
47:36 <Ballig> pretty sure gay guys aren't the only ones who like things to suck
47:59 <Avatar> let's not explore that
48:03 <Steven> you dont thing gay guys would appreciate a guy who sucks?
48:14 <Ballig> we aren't talking about guys
48:18 <Ballig> we're talking about pathfinder online
51:35 <Steven> rise of the runelords just seems fun
54:06 <Avatar> I'm going to buy some bear traps
54:12 <Avatar> that will be my primary weapon on james
54:28 <Ballig> I remember us discussing that
54:31 <Ballig> throwing bear traps everywhere
54:33 <Avatar> 2d6+3 yo
54:39 <Ballig> if I'm not mistaken, the downside was that they weigh 10lbs each
54:46 <Ballig> so you were going to keep them on a mount
55:02 <Avatar> that was before muleback cords came into the discussion
55:06 <Avatar> James already has those
56:30 <Steven> rise first chapter just seems way way way to easy
01:42 <Avatar> as opposed to certain other games where the first act is way way way too hard
01:48 <Avatar> and a character is bound to die
01:53 <Avatar> not naming any names
02:08 <Steven> lol
02:38 <Steven> no i just know what people are going to play and this isnt going to challenge them in the slightest
02:53 <Ballig> give all the wizards create pit
06:01 <Avatar> and colour spray
06:08 <Avatar> and cloudkill lolz
06:37 <Ballig> make them heavens oracles with awesome display
06:38 <Ballig> and give them colour spray
06:58 <Ballig> in fact just switch out all NPCs with heavens oracles with awesome display and colour spray
11:12 <Avatar> Mekkis: what's your generalist 9
13:26 <Brunius> I like that suggestion, Ballig
22:04 <Avatar> I am going to create a character who is an oracle and casts nothing but colour spray, ever
22:20 <Avatar> he will have 18+++ cha, some decent con and 7 everything else
22:25 <Avatar> his name will be Logg
22:33 <Avatar> half-orc
23:39 <Ballig> his name should be Drowsy
23:47 <Brunius> Drowzee
23:57 <Brunius> lyke tha pokemon
23:57 <Avatar> haha Drowzee
24:20 <Brunius> Can't you get three 18s if you also have three 7s?
24:23 <Ballig> too bad you can't be a drow
24:28 <Ballig> wait until the con and see if they give out boons for being a drow
24:30 <Ballig> then name him that
24:32 <Avatar> don't think so
24:45 <Brunius> Didn't Jagged make some fighter like that
24:47 <Avatar> oh do any of you want to run first steps 3 this weekend
24:53 <Avatar> yeah that was the joke
24:58 <Avatar> gogg
25:08 <Ballig> Rabble is like that too
25:16 <Avatar> if none of you have a character that wants some first steps credit then I'll run it
25:42 <Ballig> do you remember who was gagging for fs3
25:46 <Steven> there are no boons for Drow
26:06 <Ballig> yet
26:29 <Steven> i wouldnt hold your breath for them either.
26:41 <Ballig> oh but I am, and if I pass out it's your fault
26:46 <Brunius> Yeah, I wouldn't wanna hold Ballig's breath either
27:35 <Steven> brock has commented that his position of drow on golarion is that they are the enemy and that wont change so long as he is PFS coordinator
27:54 <Steven> probably take some pretty strong pressure to get a drow boon out and about.
28:02 <Brunius> Maybe we can all be genetic abberations
28:08 <Brunius> That dual wield
28:49 <Steven> brunius of course brings up the exact reason why we dont have drow... because everyone would have a drizzit character
29:07 <Ballig> I've never read or seen anything drizzit-related
29:20 <Brunius> I've seen some stuff Drizzt related :P
30:16 <Steven> then ballig you would probably join me in never making a drizzt character... i salute you!
30:27 <Ballig> that's an odd thing to salute over
30:37 <Brunius> It really is
31:23 <Steven> well... every home brew ive been a part of that the GM allowed drow, has had a drizzt character
31:45 <Steven> all played exactly the same
31:57 <Avatar> what do you mean who was gagging
32:11 <Steven> and its really lame
32:34 <Ballig> Avatar: there were at least two people actively asking for FS3
32:46 <Ballig> who were the two guys who lived together
32:52 <Avatar> andvarie and aakhara
32:57 <Avatar> they played parts 1 and 2
32:58 <Ballig> I think they desperately wanted it
33:06 <Avatar> yeah probably
33:07 <Ballig> and antichon said he wanted it
33:10 <Ballig> and I think there might've been someone else
33:11 <Avatar> I'm asking who wants to GM it apart from me
33:14 <Avatar> since I don't need the credit
33:31 <Avatar> if that's nobody, I'll GM It anyway
33:36 <Ballig> yeah I'm wondering what time it should be done
33:40 <Avatar> can't keep these newbies waiting
33:46 <Avatar> we've been running too many 5-9s
34:08 <Avatar> I'm hard pressed to think of when we last played a 1-5
34:23 <Ballig> I haven't played in one for a little bit
34:26 <Ballig> except first steps
35:46 <Avatar> it's a shame because first steps is always a better game when 4 newbies play it 
35:54 <Avatar> but it's hard to find 4 newbies at the same time
35:58 <Ballig> yeah
38:11 <Brunius>  I think it's silly for people to replay first steps
38:24 <Brunius> Are the variant channels from UM legal for PFS?
38:37 <Brunius> I can't see anything disqualifying them
39:01 <Avatar> haven't heard of them
39:09 <Brunius> p29
39:11 <Avatar> replaying first steps is good if it gets you out of level 1
40:21 <Ballig> it makes sense from a "don't burn scenarios if you don't have to" standpoint
40:42 <Brunius> But not any other standpoint
40:42 <Ballig> I prefer GMing it for that kind of credit because it gives other people the ability to play it who wouldn't otherwise be able to
40:47 <Ballig> but not everyone has the opportunity to GM it
41:11 <Ballig> Brunius: very few things make sense in every standpoint
41:23 <Ballig> you choose the standpoint you're comfortable with
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44:31 <Steven> when the core over here plays it we dont even bring out a map
44:52 <Sutekh> Steven: You are the VC of Seattle?
44:58 <Steven> nope
45:04 <Steven> im the VL of pullman
45:06 <Sutekh> Do I have the right state?
45:11 <Steven> yup
45:17 <Sutekh> cool
45:18 <Steven> why need somethin?
45:30 <Sutekh> No.. I just thought I saw your name pop up on the messageboards
45:51 <Steven> yeah, i lurk there when im not reading
46:11 <Brunius> Sutekh: Those AON issues are supposed to be resolved now
46:27 <Avatar> they were resolved this morning
46:29 <Sutekh> oh okay
46:36 <Sutekh> Thanks Bruinius!
46:48 <Avatar> [06:58] <Avatar> aon is fixed
46:49 <Avatar> [06:59] <Ballig> did you only sleep for 3 hours
46:49 <Avatar> [07:01] <Avatar> or did I sleep at all ?
46:49 <Avatar> [07:02] <Ballig> yes
46:49 <Avatar> [07:02] <Ballig> for 3 hours
46:49 <Avatar> [07:02] <Avatar> or did I ?
46:58 <Brunius> According to the email I got they were resolved late last night, some time between my trying to get AON to work and sending the email
47:02 <Sutekh> Although if i go there and I cant sign up for every session, Ill blame Avatar
47:10 <Avatar> hey
47:11 <Ballig> what's AON
47:26 <Avatar> it's the site you use to sign up for arcanacon
47:30 <Avatar> and every other con
47:32 <Ballig> o
47:46 <Brunius> The convention org thingo
48:00 <Sutekh> hmm I need a Team name
48:02 * Sutekh ponders
48:10 <Brunius> No you don't
48:14 <Brunius> Just leave it
48:30 <Avatar> tell us what team name you want and we'll have a think over it
48:31 <Ballig> name it "Sutekh and the Captain Planets"
48:38 <Avatar> we won't be using that
48:45 <Ballig> you can be a captain planet
48:50 <Sutekh> Team Mai Ti
49:08 <Avatar> I don't wanna be a captain planet !
49:40 <Sutekh> Minka!
49:55 <Brunius> Wo shu Ben
50:01 <Brunius> Call it Wo shu Matthew
50:04 <Ballig> Chicken Pad Thai
50:13 <Sutekh> 19 fame is 6k?
50:51 <Brunius> Avatar/Mekkis/Sutekh/Other attendees of Arcanacon do you have a copy of the most up to date Guide to Org play?
51:07 <Sutekh> I printed it out today
51:18 <Sutekh> Im going to go to Officeworks tomorrow during my lunch hour and get it bound
51:29 <Sutekh> with my society guide and copy of the additional resources
51:56 <Brunius> Probably don't get the additional resources bound
52:00 <Sutekh> meh
52:03 <Sutekh> may as well
52:06 <Brunius> It changes oftenish
52:11 <Sutekh> I know
52:28 <Brunius> And it might be better value to wait until like july to get it bound, because that's when the new guide comes out
52:28 <Sutekh> I get it rebound every time they update the guide to org is updated
52:31 <Sutekh> its not biggie
52:36 <Sutekh> Ill just print a new one then
52:38 <Sutekh> and get it bound
52:51 <Sutekh> it only costs for the binding, I do all my printing at work
53:14 <Brunius> If you say so
53:19 <Sutekh> I do
53:26 <Sutekh> Why are you asking me If I have one?
54:11 <Brunius> Have one what
54:27 <Avatar> I don't think there are any big changes in 4.3
54:38 <Sutekh> <Brunius> Avatar/Mekkis/Sutekh/Other attendees of Arcanacon do you have a copy of the most up to date Guide to Org play?
54:39 <Avatar> I skimmed it already
54:48 <Sutekh> Have I read it cover to cover yet? No
54:54 * Sutekh reads bits and pieces
54:59 <Brunius> Oh, I was wondering if I should print a copy
55:05 <Sutekh> of course
55:13 <Sutekh> You technically need a copy at the table
55:15 <Sutekh> anyway
55:22 <Avatar> although there was this gem:
55:23 <Sutekh> plus all the hardcover books!
55:24 <Sutekh> :)
55:30 <Avatar> These are cases where karma applies to those making 
55:31 <Avatar> the orders, not their tools. However, “that’s just what my 
55:31 <Avatar> character would do” is not a defense for behaving like a jerk
55:37 <Brunius> You don't need it there...you just need to know the content
55:46 <Steven> you actually dont need ANY of the books in hardcover.
56:10 <Sutekh> lol yeah, our VC freaked all the dms out when he pasted that line to the gm email address :)
56:15 <Sutekh> It said should
56:18 <Sutekh> not must :)
06:54 <Steven> i still have a ton of gold on honey... i should buy some more stuff.
15:27 <Steven> thats a rough of what i wrote
15:39 <Steven> im gonna chip some more off before I print and post it
25:56 * Sutekh just realised he has 7 Basic flipmats
27:00 <Steven> kickin
36:19 <Sutekh> 7 though
36:20 <Sutekh> !
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39:57 <Sutekh> lol
40:22 * Sutekh swaps Avatar for Ballig
02:16 <Mekkis> Sutekh, I know
02:21 <Mekkis> that line is great
02:48 <Mekkis> Paracountess says "make sure noone sees you" = "cast /cloudkill/ in crowded marketplace first"
09:59 <Steven> alright back to searching for items for honey
10:50 <Steven> maybe ill buy a bunch of weapons of alternate materials
13:25 <Sutekh> I saw something Honey might like
13:29 <Sutekh> boosts channel
13:32 <Sutekh> by 2d6
13:37 <Sutekh> A headband I think
13:42 <Sutekh> In ultimate equipment
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15:42 <Steven> i already know of that item
15:54 <Steven> think ill buy some armor
16:01 <Sutekh> That item is no good?
16:43 <Steven> its fine
16:46 <Steven> she has it
18:48 <Steven> damn..... living steel isnt legal for play
21:02 <Steven> prolly a good idea considering how massively OP it is
22:43 <Sutekh> Whats living steel?
23:30 <Steven> short version, 35hit points per inch and hardness 15
23:50 <Steven> whenever something rolls a nat 1 to hit you
23:51 <Brunius> How much sundering actually goes on in PFS?
24:36 <Steven> that creature has to make a dc 20 fort or the weapon gets broken
24:48 <Steven> not a massive amount, but an annoying amount for sure
27:04 * Sutekh has never seen a single sunder
27:07 <Sutekh> ever in Pathfinder
28:03 <Steven> some Gms use it more than others
28:28 <Sutekh> Holy Crap, Lance Armstrong used Drugs!
28:35 <Sutekh> OPRAH KNOWS THE TRUTH!
28:36 * Sutekh cries
29:47 <Brunius> Didn't that come out ages ago
30:22 <Steven> hmmmmmm maybe a soothsayer's Rainment for honey
30:52 <Sutekh> Bruinius: But Oprah just told us its true
30:59 <Sutekh> Thats all the proof I need
33:27 <Sutekh> ooh the pathfinder kickstarter succeeded
33:28 <Sutekh> cool
33:42 <Steven> hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm
34:32 <Steven> i cant decide on whether to get a named piece of armor or a build a custom set
37:27 <Sutekh> None of that named armor looks too interesting to be honest
38:30 <Steven> if i had a more diverse mystery i would just buy the soothsayers armor
40:01 <Steven> but frankly life oracles are pretty blah when it comes to revelations
40:15 <Steven> its basically channel, energy body, and then life sense
45:17 <Steven> i guess ill just sit on the cash for a bit
52:47 <Sutekh> One thing i dont get about Pathfinder is how all these Adventurers carry around thousands and thousands of Gold
53:37 <Brunius> They leave it in their safety deposity box with the pathfinder society
53:57 <Brunius> -y
53:58 <Steven> slips of credit
54:05 <Steven> jewels
54:46 <Steven> its not like you are really carrying around 30k in gold, its probably more like 200gp, a few slips of credit, and a few diamonds and what not.
58:50 <Mekkis> Brunius, you trust the Pathfinder Society?
59:09 <Brunius> Do you have a better option?
59:20 <Steven> lolz!
59:35 <Steven> yeah, a bank.
59:44 <Mekkis> Mytiazair leaves his stuff in a certain village in Andoran
59:57 <Steven> which in golarion is probably called a counting house
00:03 <Mekkis> Deceased leaves his in Almas
00:25 <Mekkis> Freedom has its benefits
03:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, did you get the client to work?
03:40 <Brunius> No, I didn't
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11:13 <Sutekh> Are there Banks in Golarion?
11:34 <Sutekh> People only just accept Gunslingers, they probably wouldnt accept a international banking system
11:34 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure
11:43 <Mekkis> not international
11:50 <Mekkis> but Deceased has a cheque
11:56 <Sutekh> Well it would have to be international
12:02 <Sutekh> otherwise no use to Pathfinders
13:45 <Brunius-> Bonds existed in ancient Egypt
14:07 <Brunius-> It's feasible that there's a similar system
14:14 <Sutekh> So the Ruby Prince holds my coin?
14:21 <Sutekh> He should be using it to buy a new clone
14:24 <Sutekh> or a cure
19:59 <Mekkis> he should just get a druid to cast /reincarnate/
55:40 <Sutekh> What are good magical items for a Wizard?
55:56 <Sutekh> I was thinking of saving up for a Lesser Empower Metamagic Rod
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