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01:44:10 <DHess_US> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgzu6-duBwHPAhoXJhXa_APh_CctjqOcmqtdcmPn3tDAjJU4cCZ3qXtrg1fftnSAnKUvrlg86Tt93Oin4EBDFhwRyLDhvdR3FEACGDoZegKJ03-cRCq-rt-GhaemkW4y8ESjYzDDTfYAFeTVjtRq5teZwV5RknGLsy-a9Dktwe2yjYCTa5DC6-ENPrs=s642
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02:27:09 <Kuschelpony> hmmm
02:27:11 <Kuschelpony> https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/screen-shot-2021-12-23-at-10-09-51-am-png.294660/
02:27:24 <Kuschelpony> next year i try that at the railway station :)
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02:30:19 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: but who would have a NEMA plug at your railway station?
02:30:21 <T3sl4> oh wait...
02:30:38 <Kuschelpony> oh i would of course take a picture of a schuko :)
02:30:51 <T3sl4> (or the less literal interpretation, doing it with the local style, but honestly either way would work i'm betting)
02:31:13 <T3sl4> depending on how many tourists are in your area i suppose
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02:32:21 <Kuschelpony> we actually doi have sockets in the modernized trains
02:32:26 <steve30> hi
02:32:41 <Kuschelpony> but not yet at the benches where people sit in the railway station
02:32:45 <Kuschelpony> hello steve
02:32:46 <EEVBot> Hello, Kuschelpony!
02:33:20 * T3sl4 plugs steve30 into a NEMA-6
02:35:37 * steve30 plugs T3sl4 into a BS1363 socket
02:35:50 * T3sl4 shutters in glee
03:47:15 <K> oy, it is time to fatten up.
03:47:53 <K> i wish you to add have some good units of measurement to your circumreference!
03:50:25 <steve30> I guess I could eat some chocolate. I /did/ go to the gym earlier.
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04:20:54 * T3sl4 gives K extra butter for his potatoes
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05:59:29 <doggyrat> Merry Christmas to all of you
05:59:32 <doggyrat> hello
06:01:32 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/cGOtZJr
06:01:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - When you try cooking. - Album on Imgur
06:01:55 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/CCPISASSH0E/status/1472588910412849159
06:14:01 <doggyrat> that is really funny https://imgur.com/gallery/Q6BttQR
06:14:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Frankie is not a fan of evil Furby - Album on Imgur
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06:22:32 <doggyrat> hello Kuschelpony
06:22:58 <Kuschelpony> Thankyou doggyrat
06:24:12 <doggyrat> that link is very funny i need to buy an evil furby
06:26:23 <doggyrat> may be the world has less risk without jave script but no risk no fun :P
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07:04:02 <Kuschelpony> if you are interested to learn a bit more about hor speaker theory https://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/537714/_Horn-Theory-Intro.pdf
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10:57:09 * arch gives T3sl4 some MC34063 for Christmas for being a bad boy
10:57:18 <T3sl4> \o/
10:57:41 * T3sl4 melts them down for scrap, alloys with iron to make electrical steel, winds a transformer around it
10:57:53 <arch> i sent ya some beer money today :3
10:58:49 <T3sl4> merry xmas :)
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10:59:12 <arch> jeez what's with people being pussies these days. just say merry christmas like normies
10:59:22 <T3sl4> happy xmasdays
10:59:27 <arch> or is that a forbidden word these days, smh
10:59:33 <arch> and im not even Christian
10:59:35 <Whales> Real men use a 555 timer as their switchmode controller. The 1/3 and 2/3 comparator points are close enough to keep ripple down :P
10:59:40 <T3sl4> christly holidays :)
10:59:53 <T3sl4> Whales: https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/555%20Boost.pdf
11:00:41 <Whales> I was about to commend you, but then I spotted the opamp in the feedback loop. Shame upon you Tesla!
11:00:56 <T3sl4> hey, it's only a 358!
11:01:03 <arch> it seems like people are afraid to wish people Merry Christmas lately. i've noticed it over the past 3 or 4 years
11:01:13 <arch> like wtf
11:01:14 <T3sl4> i'd have used the 431 (it's basically a "good" transistor, right? RIGHT?) but it didn't quite work out
11:01:16 <Whales> Surely there is a way for it to be technically "regulated" in negative feedback using only 555s ;P
11:01:50 <T3sl4> probably, but the point there was to make something actually-good (peak current mode control), which necessitates a bit more than otherwise
11:01:53 <arch> i say it to my Muslim buddies, Jewish buddies...not like you ahve to be a Christian =/
11:02:13 <T3sl4> also, no guarantee over supply range, etc. it's a bit dubious of a circuit IIRC
11:02:52 <arch> i need to make that 555 boost on copperclad one of these days
11:03:03 <T3sl4> Happy Hanukkah arch :)
11:03:18 <arch> Happy Saturnalia T3sl4
11:03:26 <arch> and/or Channukah
11:03:33 <T3sl4> grand festivus, arch!
11:04:22 <arch> indeed. welp, im gonna game a bit, and then i will toner transfer my 555 timer pwm fan controller
11:04:39 <T3sl4> hf
11:04:46 <arch> and then i will print this out tomorrow: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3474360
11:04:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Minimalist 3D Printed Fume Extractor by rdmmkr - Thingiverse
11:05:04 <arch> before i do so, ill slightly edit the stl file to add a potentiometer
11:06:33 <arch> "Breathing solder fumes can cause serious health problems". yeaaa, doubt it. been doing that for 20+ years and i ahven't died yet
11:06:54 * T3sl4 lead-induced-ragingly stabs arch with a soldering iron
11:07:09 <T3sl4> on that note, i wonder what my lead levels are like
11:07:34 <arch> i got my blood test results a few months ago, and lead levels were fine
11:07:39 * arch starts chewing on some solder
11:07:55 <arch> mmm..tastes like brain damage
11:08:39 <Whales> I use "lead free" solder, but I wonder how true that actually is. From what I understand: lead is cheaper than tin.
11:08:46 <Whales> I need to get a test kit to satiate my curiosity.
11:10:27 <arch> you are a wimp. stop using that crappy lead free garbage
11:10:38 <arch> you want tin whiskers? that's how you get tin whiskers!
11:10:47 <T3sl4> well, it's a pretty marked effect on melting point, finish and such
11:11:01 <T3sl4> i don't think there's any practical use to, like, just a few % Pb
11:11:30 <arch> i wonder if bismuth solder forms tin whiskers..let me google
11:11:36 <T3sl4> *shorts out arch* owo notices lead-free sempai?
11:11:37 <arch> bismuth whiskers*
11:11:43 <T3sl4> don't think so
11:11:48 <T3sl4> silver and zinc can tho
11:12:47 <arch> "Tin-bismuth - Tin-bismuth (SnBi) alloy finishes are controversial when used in conjunction with eutectic SnPb solder, but when added to tin in amounts of 2 to 4% by weight, they may aid in suppressing whisker growth. "
11:12:50 <arch> http://smt.iconnect007.com/index.php/article/46623/minimizing-tin-whiskers/46626/
11:12:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Minimizing Tin Whiskers
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11:33:41 <jaymax> 50/50 all the way
11:33:52 <jaymax> Even for plumbing,.
11:34:22 <jaymax> My bad, 60/40
11:34:44 <jaymax> Whatever, lead.
11:35:36 <Whales> I saw some something like 40/60 or 30/70 once (notice the alloy is backwards)
11:35:41 <Whales> It was for soldering onto aluminium.
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11:35:53 <arch> 60/40 is no good, because it doesn't settle all-at-once. it's liquid for some time, so you need really steady hands
11:36:31 <arch> and the joint looks really faded. non shiny
11:36:49 * jaymax throttles arch with shaky hands
11:37:16 <arch> you can buy those for cheap from ebay, cuz chinese manufacturers literally buy old car batteries for bugger all money, melt down the lead, and all other impurities, and make them into cheap solder
11:37:38 <arch> once you go Kester solder, you don't go back
11:38:17 <arch> although i suppose 60/40 solder is fine if you are doing smd reflow jobs
11:38:27 <arch> in an oven
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11:39:40 <jaymax> I'm a scrub at this anyway, so having it liquid enough to hang onto the iron tip until it works into the wire or what-the-fuck-ever I'm working on, is good enough for me.
11:41:22 <arch> it leads to bad joints is the problem
11:41:39 <jaymax> Sometimes when I'm preparing XT60 connectors, I lay out solder on the table and pick some up by tapping it with the iron, and lift it to where I'll use it.
11:43:10 <jaymax> I can agree with the bad joints part though - but I take the plumber approach to that problem and clean/rough up the surfaces to be soldered.
11:44:11 <jaymax> For XT60 connectors, cold joints is common so also change tips and up the heat.
11:46:27 <jaymax> Especially with the knockoff ones.
11:46:30 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CrwUYR1b0w
11:46:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Battle of Endor but the Empire has ALL their ships
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14:31:39 <Nothing\> merry christmas guys!
14:31:51 <Nothing\> at least to those of you for whom it's christmas atm
14:31:59 <Nothing\> we've still got 1.5 hours to go
14:32:25 <Nothing\> by the by, the james webb telescope is set to launch at 7:20am EST Dec 25th
14:32:40 <Nothing\> which i think is what? 12:20GMT?
14:33:10 <Nothing\> i can never remember with daylight savings but i always figured EST was -5:00GMT
14:33:47 <Nothing\> actually you know, with this being an engineering channel. I think the bot should have more engineering related functions
14:34:02 <Nothing\> like a formula look-up. That'd be really useful.
14:34:39 <Nothing\> or a mathematical symbol lookup, either reverse or otherwise. you type in what it's meant to represent and it returns the corresponding symbol, or vice versa.
14:35:08 <Nothing\> there's a wiki page like that but it's not quite as convenient as that
14:52:19 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @NanoRaptor: Help I have fallen down a hole and can't stop digging. https://t.co/z7XuKHn11C
14:57:48 <Nothing\> hello EEVBot
14:57:48 <EEVBot> Hello, Nothing\!
14:57:54 <Nothing\> d'aww
14:58:02 <Nothing\> my only friend <3
14:58:06 <Nothing\> i love you EEVBot
14:58:23 <Nothing\> will you be my spouse?
14:58:32 <Nothing\> you're such a good listener
15:49:52 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Hello kookaburra https://t.co/y2mAWhpae3
15:51:58 <Nothing\> hrm, if anyone's around i've got kind of a conundrum on my hands. I want to come back to this "textbook" on this website about EE but having no clue where I left off, and knowing I skipped a bunch of stuff that may be important, I've decided to start as close to the beginning as possible. But that would mean potentially spending hours on simplistic, mind-numbing topics i already know like static electricity, charg
15:53:21 <Nothing\> but then i think, first off it never hurts to brush up on the basics. No matter how well you think you know them you're bound to have forgotten something about them. And secondly with my gaps in knowledge, for all i know I might have missed something important and I wouldn't even know it. Maybe not anything critical, but something a regular EE would be remiss if they didn't know it.
15:54:09 <Nothing\> so I dunno whether to try and jump ahead at least past the first few chapters or just power through them.
15:55:25 <Nothing\> but then I can see it being like programming where I'd always start getting into it, learn the basics, then lose my focus and move onto another subject only to come back to it months or yeras later and try to remember where it was i left off and always ending up reading the same intro material ad nauseoum
15:57:24 <Nothing\> here's what I feel like I SHOULD be reading
15:57:26 <Nothing\> https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_toc.html
15:57:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - FLP Vol. II Table of Contents
15:57:48 <Nothing\> the electromagnetism portion of the feynman lectures
15:58:33 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
15:58:40 <Nothing\> Ampera!!!!
15:58:45 <Nothing\> hey friend!
15:58:49 <Ampera> hello nowhere man
15:58:53 * Nothing\ runs up and excitedly hugs Ampera
15:58:53 <Ampera> how are you
15:58:54 <Nothing\> <3
15:59:00 <Nothing\> i'm doing well thanks, how about you?
15:59:03 <Ampera> <3
15:59:07 <Ampera> pensive
15:59:20 <Nothing\> here i'd resigned myself to the fact that i was going to be alone in here until the holidays were over
15:59:37 <Nothing\> i figured the channel would be totally dead until after boxing day
15:59:42 <Ampera> don't worry, I don't have enough of a life for that
15:59:44 <Nothing\> but anyways, what's up man?
15:59:50 <Nothing\> what are you pensive about?
15:59:53 <Ampera> waiting one more minute
16:00:02 <Nothing\> for christmas?
16:00:07 <Ampera> (not what I'm pensive about, but)
16:00:08 <Nothing\> there it is
16:00:10 <Ampera> merry Christmas
16:00:14 <Nothing\> indeed-
16:00:18 <Nothing\> merry christmas Ampera
16:00:29 <Nothing\> and you're the first i've said it to for what it's worth
16:00:34 <Ampera> I think I might be on the verge of actually transitioning
16:00:40 <Nothing\> oh yeah?
16:00:44 <Ampera> well it's only been a minute
16:00:49 <Nothing\> what caused that to happen?
16:00:54 <Ampera> no clue
16:01:04 <Nothing\> hrm just one of those random things
16:01:07 <Ampera> just sort of a recent development of courage
16:01:17 <Nothing\> well that's good that you seem to be less tentative about it
16:01:19 <Ampera> yesterday I want to see a local rendition of the nutcracker
16:01:22 <Ampera> packed house
16:01:25 <Nothing\> you know now that i think about your situation
16:01:39 <Nothing\> it reminds me of a realization about human nature i had years ago
16:01:48 <Nothing\> or about anxiety anyways
16:01:53 <Ampera> I went there in female clothes, and I don't think anyone even noticed
16:02:11 <Nothing\> that when you're doing something intimidating, it tends to cause you more anxiety if your hesitant about it
16:02:28 <Nothing\> and not just that, but it causes you to do a less effective job at whatever you're trying to do
16:02:39 <Nothing\> rather than if you just go balls to the wall without a second thought
16:02:44 <Ampera> that was last night, but I'm still wearing them, and have been while visiting my mom and her boyfriend for Christmas
16:02:56 <Ampera> lol
16:03:01 <Ampera> yeah that's about it
16:03:02 <Nothing\> that's pretty cool
16:03:12 <Ampera> I am very good at overthinking things
16:03:18 <Nothing\> so you feel comfortable in your own skin for the first time in presumably quite some time, if ever?
16:03:19 <Ampera> comes in handy working QA
16:03:33 <Ampera> eh
16:03:39 <Nothing\> Ampera, you and me both. And that rumination is another thing that causes anxiety ime
16:03:43 <Ampera> there's a long way for me to go to feel like that
16:03:58 <Ampera> but the thing I feel is that I can do it
16:04:16 <Ampera> it's just a road I don't want to have to travel back from
16:04:29 <Nothing\> but part of rumination, at least for me is a sort of rehearsal of social situations i may or may not get into. Or a rehearsal of prior situations where i would react differently. I guess as a way of my brain sort of practicing being social
16:05:04 <Nothing\> it's interesting. But it also causes me distress if i'm consntantly rehearsing an unpleasant situation or conflict, which is usually what it is
16:05:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, well just keep in mind you don't have to make huge steps towards your goal of being comfortable with who you are
16:05:41 <Nothing\> assuming that is a goal
16:05:48 <Nothing\> (of yours)
16:06:36 <Nothing\> so long as you're always trying, pushing yourself ever further from your comfort zone. You'll continue to make progress.
16:07:19 <Ampera> my goal is to feel normal, and to feel happy
16:07:35 <Nothing\> but it's hard to believe that because of the way the human mind perceives events. We place a greater emotional value on negative events than on positive ones because evolutionarily speaking, it's more important for us to avoid negative events than to be drawn to positive ones.
16:07:47 <Ampera> one of the biggest issues with not transitioning is that, by the definition of my disorder, I cannot feel and reciprocate intimacy
16:08:43 <Nothing\> so naturally we remember negative events much more than positive ones. And in the context of personal developmenttttttttttttttttttttt, that make it feel like you're not getting anywhere because there will be inevitable steps back. The process of self improvement is very much 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
16:09:19 <Nothing\> and if you're not careful, it can be easy to get stuck focusing on nothing but the steps back and feel like a miserable failure. Even if you've made leaps and bounds.
16:10:25 <Ampera> too many t's
16:10:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, have you got a definition of happiness? and/or do you feel you have a good understanding of what would actually bring you REAL happiness. As opposed to fleeting happiness or false happiness like that which is brought on by drugs or material things.
16:10:43 <Ampera> It's a feeling.
16:10:53 <Ampera> that's really the only definition I have
16:10:55 <Nothing\> because i realized one problem i had was for decades i pursued happiness without even realizing i didn't even know what happiness meant to me
16:10:58 <Ampera> to do whatever brings me that
16:11:01 <Nothing\> much less what would bring it about
16:11:14 <Ampera> I guess being able to express myself and have relationships is part of that
16:11:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, unefinable by english words as they would not even come close to doing it justice?
16:11:37 <Nothing\> is that fair to say?
16:12:08 <Ampera> I believe most things which people can mutually experience are eventually describable through speech
16:12:11 <Nothing\> at least not definable in any sort of tidbit of information as humans prefer to take it in as
16:12:24 <Ampera> for me, I guess I just haven't specifically found what will make me happy yet
16:12:39 <Ampera> I just know this is part of it
16:12:57 <Nothing\> huh it feels foolish in retrospect, but i didn't even consider the role of shared experiences in developing language
16:13:01 <Nothing\> that's interesting
16:13:16 <Ampera> I'm in a good place for this, though. I have the means and the money to do a lot of things if I want to.
16:13:22 <Nothing\> or rather, the implications are interesting
16:14:50 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'll be honest. from my point of view at least it doesn't seem like your desire to transition has really faltered in any serious way. I mean yeah you've had doubts and such, but that's just natural with any major life change or indeed anything that will subject you to unknowns.
16:15:06 <Nothing\> but it seems to me that for the most part, you've always felt strongly that you want to transition
16:15:15 <Nothing\> even in the face of these anxieties
16:15:25 <Nothing\> correct me if i'm wrong though, please
16:15:38 <Nothing\> i don't want to make any presumptions about your situation
16:15:41 <Ampera> a lot of this is sexually driven to, feeling and emotions derived from urges. I am not turned on by transitioning, but it's one of the few ways I can feel sexuality, which has some interesting complications
16:16:05 <Ampera> That's not a wholly inaccurate presumption
16:16:24 <Ampera> The wish has always been there, even to some of my earliest memories
16:16:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know if i had to guess i'd think you're suffering from a disorder which probably hasn't even been recognized by mainstream medicine yet
16:16:47 <Nothing\> they'll probably have it in the DSM-VI or DSM-VII or something
16:17:10 <Ampera> I think it's been recognized, but research into the field is highly political
16:17:20 <Ampera> nobody wants to see it as an illness
16:17:24 <Nothing\> yeah that's very unfortunate
16:17:35 <Nothing\> i never saw it as an illness, or disorder
16:17:39 <Ampera> everyone wants it to just be as chill as being gay
16:17:40 <Nothing\> why should it be?
16:17:44 <Nothing\> is being gay a disorder?
16:17:58 <Ampera> man, if I could just be gay
16:17:58 <Nothing\> but i will say
16:18:07 <Ampera> that'd be so much fucking easier
16:18:11 <Ampera> but that's the thing
16:18:25 <Ampera> this is painful, agonizing, it hurts me daily
16:18:29 <Nothing\> in terms of psychiatry, one of the defining features that sets a disorder apart from just a personality trait
16:18:33 <Ampera> that's what makes it an illness
16:18:46 <Ampera> gay is a personality trait
16:18:48 <Nothing\> is if it causes difficulty in day to day life, or affects one's ability to function
16:18:54 <Nothing\> at that point it becomes a disorder
16:18:58 <Ampera> you can be gay without drugs, surgery, or anything special about it
16:19:04 <Nothing\> but the thing is
16:19:10 <Ampera> you can be gay just as easily as you can be straight
16:19:13 <Nothing\> if you were gay in say, a mormon community
16:19:21 <Ampera> that's social
16:19:22 <Nothing\> you would no doubt have a hard time functioning
16:19:26 <Nothing\> exactly
16:19:37 <Nothing\> so where do you draw the line? if at all?
16:19:42 <Ampera> not things intrinsic to the mind and the aspect itself.
16:19:57 <Ampera> You eliminate variables like anything else
16:20:25 <Ampera> If you can be gay in an apathetic community, just as easily as you can be straight, it's not a disorder
16:20:35 <Nothing\> =how do yo umake the distinction between what is social difficult caused by normal human traits which you exhibit being rejected by your community
16:20:49 <Nothing\> and what is a genuine disorder of the psyche
16:21:10 <Ampera> by eliminating the variable of society.
16:21:26 <Ampera> or at least accounting for it in your thought experiment
16:21:33 <Nothing\> well i'd imagine the first criteria would be if symptoms would have shown up regardless of what environment they were in
16:22:36 <Nothing\> i dunno though because even if say, you removed a gay person from a mormon community that was making him feel terrible about his sexual orientation
16:22:52 <Nothing\> it's not like all of the anxiety and negative feelings would go away
16:23:09 <Nothing\> the guy would never be the same again. Until the day he dies.
16:23:32 <Ampera> no, but if you had a gay person who grew up in an apathetic community, by all likelihood, they would be fine
16:23:37 <Nothing\> oh Ampera that reminds me. I've got some amazing news from Canada
16:23:53 <Ampera> not to mention, the solution for homosexuality is way easier than the solution for gender dysphoria
16:24:00 <Nothing\> just a couple of weeks our government banned conversion therapy on a FEDERAL level
16:24:07 <Nothing\> fucking amazing
16:24:08 <Nothing\> i love it
16:24:18 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:24:37 <Nothing\> is that a who cares shrugs or a WHOOPY! hands up in the air to celebrate?
16:25:17 <Nothing\> Ampera, i guess i've just always been more empathetic than you
16:25:30 <Nothing\> not to put you down by any means
16:25:49 <Nothing\> i realized that could have been construed as a put-down after i hit enter
16:26:01 <Ampera> lol
16:26:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, i honestly don't blame you
16:26:22 <Ampera> I just don't think conversion therapy is a big deal
16:26:35 <Nothing\> life is so shitty. It's even worse when you take on the emotional burden of others
16:26:36 <Ampera> against the will of the patient, any procedure is bad
16:26:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, actually you know what
16:26:58 <Ampera> if two idiots want to try and degay one of them, what do I care
16:27:19 <Nothing\> in that point of view, conversion therapy violates the nuremburg code
16:27:34 <Nothing\> which states anyone involved in medical treatment has to give consent etc
16:27:43 <Nothing\> but i guess the kuds' parents do that for them
16:27:57 <Ampera> well what if conversion therapy is consensual
16:28:10 <Ampera> I mean it's not just kids that do it
16:28:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's fair enough. And if I'm being honest, I really wish I could feel the same way.
16:28:38 <Ampera> as I said, if a kid is being forced, then that is a crime against humanity
16:28:44 <Nothing\> I wish outside world events didn't affect me on an emotional level, sometimes very deeply
16:29:05 <Ampera> any medical treatment coerced or forced on an individual against their will is immoral.
16:29:22 <Nothing\> like i recall reading an first hand article about a girl who was abducted and forced into sex slavery at 15 when she ran away from home
16:29:41 <Nothing\> and i couldn't even finish reading it, i was so upset half way through i was trembling, my mouth was dry, i wanted to vomit
16:29:44 <Nothing\> i had to stop
16:29:56 <Ampera> there's an easy solution to problems like that
16:30:12 <Ampera> it's called full length chopping axes
16:30:20 <Ampera> just find the pedo, and have fun
16:30:39 <Ampera> I have 0 tolerance for pedophiles
16:30:48 <Ampera> they can all go into the chipper
16:31:43 <Nothing\> heh
16:32:05 <Nothing\> as much as the act of pedophilia disgusts me to my very core
16:32:27 <Nothing\> that is one case in which i believe a person is genuinely sick for having their sexual preferences
16:32:41 <Nothing\> prefernce is the wrong word
16:32:43 <Nothing\> orientation
16:32:52 <Nothing\> preference implies choice
16:33:40 <Nothing\> but like, from what i've read on pedophilia it sounds very much like a sexual orientation (at least in part) much the same as being gay or something of that nature
16:33:43 <Nothing\> BUT
16:33:43 <Ampera> murder can be compulsive too
16:33:51 <Nothing\> and this is a huge but
16:33:55 <Ampera> gay isn't okay because people can't change it
16:34:02 <Ampera> it's okay because it harms nobody
16:34:14 <Ampera> pedophiles harm minors
16:34:16 <Ampera> the end
16:34:18 <Nothing\> i've also recently found out that the motive in a great many of sexual assault cases of minors is control
16:34:37 <Nothing\> the abuse is trying to control their victim, and this is one way they do it
16:35:09 <Nothing\> and that's where it crosses the line from being a mere sexual orientation and into a full blown disorder, i think
16:35:38 <Nothing\> well, that and the point at which it becomes harmful to yourself, others or the community
16:36:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i'm not saying it's okay by any means. Please don't mininterpret this as me saying taht.
16:36:28 * Ampera keeps the chipper on standby, just in case
16:36:31 <Nothing\> an explanation is not an excuse
16:37:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, i read years ago about how poland started chemically castrating sex offenders of minors
16:37:12 <Nothing\> which to me, makes sense
16:37:30 <Ampera> you can't spell executions without excuse
16:38:50 <Nothing\> as a person who has extremely low testosterone. Which is basically the same effect chemical castration would have on a person, I can say that chemically castrating sometbody would almost completely eliminate their sexual desires. And along side counselling (provided the suspect has the WILL to change) I think a pedo could be rehabilitated very effectively in souch a manner
16:39:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol yes you can
16:39:14 <Ampera> you can't
16:39:37 <Ampera> anagrams
16:39:43 <Nothing\> so anyways, bud on another matter
16:39:51 <Nothing\> you got any plans for xmas?
16:40:04 <Ampera> try not to die
16:40:09 <Nothing\> same
16:40:27 <Nothing\> they limited gatherings here to 10 on account of omicron, so it's another covid christmas here
16:40:30 <Ampera> I have two kitties right next to me I'm petting
16:40:50 <Nothing\> but i wasn't planning on going to the family chrismas anyways between my mental and physical problems
16:41:13 <Ampera> I'm debating if I want to show up in female clothes
16:41:14 <Nothing\> even though my family's telling my mom to come anyways and leave me home alone, sick on christmas
16:41:18 <Nothing\> yeah, some family
16:41:30 <Ampera> it's just my dad afaik
16:41:32 <Nothing\> i mean sure i did tell her to go if she wanted
16:41:44 <Ampera> but later it'll be his girlfriend and one of her friends
16:41:51 <Nothing\> i'm not gonna be a dick and be like "if i can't go, then you can't go"
16:42:26 <Ampera> honestly this month I just wanted christmas to be over with
16:42:30 <Ampera> that was all
16:42:33 <Nothing\> but it seems like kind of a dick move of my family to tell my mom to come their dinner anyways and leave me by myself, sick, depressed and suicidal on christmas even
16:42:38 <Nothing\> *eve
16:42:50 <Nothing\> seems a bit tone deaf, but that's normies for you
16:43:03 <Ampera> just have a normal day
16:43:03 <Nothing\> normies being people without mental health problmes
16:43:06 <Ampera> same as any other
16:43:18 <Nothing\> yeah that's basically my plan
16:43:22 <Nothing\> oh actually
16:43:39 <Nothing\> i'm gonna get up at 7am to watch the James Webb Space Telescope launch
16:43:52 <Nothing\> it's supposed to launch at 7:20
16:44:07 <Nothing\> and it's like, the souped up kick ass successor to the hubble
16:44:23 <Nothing\> apparently it's sucked up a quarter of NASA's budget for the last 10 years
16:44:41 <Nothing\> and it'll be able to see further than hubble ever could
16:45:00 <Nothing\> i mean hell, hubble's using CCDs from like 1995
16:45:55 <Nothing\> but yeah, i'm real excited about this thing
16:46:10 <Nothing\> excited and i'm actually even a little anxious about the launch and unfolding
16:46:55 <Nothing\> normally i don't care about if a nasa mission goes awry. But if this thing does, it's gonna be a tremendous disappointment.
16:48:16 <Nothing\> even once it's launched, it has to make its way out something like 30,000km to a lagrange point, and then it's gotta perform the most complicated unfolding a spacecraft has ever done
16:48:48 <Nothing\> and if anything goes wrong, it's not like they can send a repair mission to fix it like with hubble. It's 10,000 times higher up
16:48:58 <Ampera> I'd murder a small child for a dose of benadryl right now
16:49:16 <Nothing\> have you got any motion sickness medication?
16:49:18 <Ampera> I thought I packed a bottle, but I can't find it
16:49:26 <Nothing\> cuz that stuff is the exact same drug as benedryl
16:49:30 <Ampera> I have no medication right now
16:49:43 <Nothing\> aw that sucks
16:49:49 <Nothing\> but yeah for future reference
16:49:58 <Nothing\> dramamine will act exactly like benedryl in a pinch
16:50:07 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
16:50:14 <Nothing\> even though they both have different drug names, making it confusing
16:50:35 <Nothing\> cuz benedryl is diphenhydramine and dramamine is dimenhydrinate
16:51:50 <Nothing\> but all dimenhydrinate is is just diphenhydramine with an additional drug added called 8-chlorotheophylline whichis a mild stimulant meant to counteract the sleepiness it can cause sometimes
16:52:11 Quit: stark ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
16:52:33 <Nothing\> which is really weird because with all of my pharmacological knowledge, that's the first and only time i've ever heard of such a naming convention ever being used.
16:54:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, what ar eyour symptoms? itching and hives/rash?
16:55:02 <Nothing\> gah they need to make glasses that fix double vision
16:56:26 <Ampera> my nose is killing me
16:56:30 <Nothing\> i get double vision really bad sometimes. On occasion it's severe enough that it causes what i cause "chaetic blindness" where it is literally like being legally blind and you can't even make out things ilke faces in front of you or complex objects
16:56:39 <Nothing\> Ampera, burning?
16:56:39 <Ampera> and in general just wanna knock myself out
16:56:45 <Ampera> I suppose
16:56:47 <Nothing\> ah
16:57:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, mantras are extremely effective for inducing sleep
16:57:33 <Nothing\> especially if you can find one you can repeat in sync with deep breathing
16:57:47 <Ampera> yeah no
16:58:03 <Ampera> at that rate I might as well just wake my mom up and ask for her benadryl
16:58:10 <Ampera> I'll survive the night
16:58:16 <Nothing\> fair enough but i'll just say, i woulda had the same reaction 15 years ago
16:59:00 <Nothing\> Ampera, why not keep a few in your room so you don't have to do that?
16:59:51 <Ampera> because I am not at my own house
17:00:09 <Nothing\> seems a silly place to put the medication in a place where people must wake you up in order to get access to it at night. But that's why I haven't lived in a nuclear family in 25 years
17:00:09 <Ampera> and neglected to bring any, as my cold was getting better and thought I wouldn't need it
17:00:23 <Ampera> I'm staying over
17:00:33 <Ampera> at my house, I have bottles of everything
17:00:34 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh i know you live at ohem
17:00:44 <Nothing\> oh you don't live at home?
17:00:49 <Ampera> huh?
17:00:59 <Ampera> I do...
17:01:00 <Nothing\> oh yeah i think i remember yo utelling me abotu when you moved out
17:01:06 <Ampera> no
17:01:07 <Nothing\> you do now?
17:01:09 <Nothing\> huh
17:01:09 <Ampera> no
17:01:12 <Nothing\> okay
17:01:15 <Ampera> I live at my dad's
17:01:21 <Nothing\> well, disregard my apparently fabricated memories
17:01:23 <Ampera> I'm at my mom's
17:01:32 <Nothing\> i gotcha
17:01:44 <Nothing\> how's the visit been so far?
17:02:04 <Ampera> good
17:02:09 <Ampera> we had prime rib
17:02:14 <Nothing\> that's good to hear
17:02:18 <Nothing\> oooh awesome
17:02:24 <Ampera> check PM
17:02:31 <Nothing\> ah aye
17:02:57 <Nothing\> nice
17:03:02 <Nothing\> what is that suede?
17:03:16 <Ampera> kinda, rougher than that
17:03:25 <Nothing\> yeha i was gonna say
17:03:33 <Nothing\> it looks sorta like worn suede
17:03:33 <Ampera> I'd have taken a picture of something more, but my front facing camera sucks
17:03:35 <Nothing\> but i like it
17:03:47 <Ampera> it's just to show I did it
17:03:56 <Ampera> that was in the cafe inside the theater
17:03:58 <Nothing\> bought the shoes?
17:04:02 <Ampera> no
17:04:07 <Nothing\> that is, to show you bought the shoes
17:04:10 <Ampera> no
17:04:16 <Nothing\> i didn't think so
17:04:19 <Ampera> I've had then for over a year
17:04:34 <Ampera> to show I went somewhere with female clothes
17:04:42 <Nothing\> ah
17:04:52 <Nothing\> you don't normally go out in female clothes?
17:05:01 <Ampera> no
17:05:18 <Ampera> I've only done it a handful of times because I get nervous
17:05:49 <Nothing\> so were you like, fully made up like a female or just wearing female clothes? Like did you wear even just subtle make-up or anything like that?
17:05:53 <Nothing\> i'm curious
17:06:36 <Ampera> I don't like makeup really, but the rest, yeah
17:06:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, but yes that nervoursness. That's that pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone thing i mentioned before
17:06:53 <Ampera> you probably wouldn't have been able to tell
17:07:00 <Nothing\> or at least meant to mention... i can't remember if i did
17:07:31 <Nothing\> Ampera, i imagine you wear your hair natural?
17:07:38 <Nothing\> ie no wigs or anything
17:07:48 <Ampera> natural?
17:08:08 <Ampera> yeah
17:08:11 <Nothing\> yeah like no wigs, extensions or things of that nature
17:08:21 <Ampera> my hair is already long as shit though
17:08:30 <Nothing\> i figured it was
17:08:36 <Ampera> was in the same ponytail I always wear
17:08:46 <Nothing\> it gives you more options with what to do with it
17:09:15 <Nothing\> tthat's one thing i've noticed. The longer your hair, the more options you have for styles.
17:09:15 <Ampera> right now, I mostly just like pin straight hair
17:09:19 <Nothing\> even for a guy
17:09:22 <Ampera> though that's often hard to so
17:09:43 <Ampera> my hair is thick like cement
17:10:03 <Ampera> *so -> do
17:10:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, am i imaginining more memories or do you have like a really deep, bright red hair color
17:10:42 <Nothing\> obv unnatural
17:10:56 <Ampera> you've never seen a picture of my face
17:11:03 <Nothing\> i dodn't think i had
17:11:06 <Ampera> so no
17:11:12 <Ampera> my hair is dark brown
17:11:21 <Nothing\> ah
17:11:34 * Nothing\ shgus
17:11:38 <Nothing\> wonder where that came from
17:13:50 <Ampera> Nothing\, PM
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