// #eevblog — 2021-12-14
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00:10:57 <T3sl4> it's manpigbear, you guys!
00:11:06 <Ampera> good morning
00:11:25 <T3sl4> bad morning
00:24:03 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Quit: Lost terminal
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00:29:21 <jaymax> indifferent morning!
00:29:31 <Ampera> undifferent hello
00:30:20 <jaymax> `git diff sunday monday`
00:31:32 <electrohead> did you 'git pull' first?
00:31:44 * Ampera git pulls electrohead's branch
00:31:51 <Ampera> no request needed
00:31:52 * electrohead merges Ampera
00:31:59 * Ampera has a conflict
00:32:39 * jaymax decides to push electrohead
00:32:58 * electrohead hard resets to origin/master
00:33:22 <jaymax> origin/main ya boomer
00:33:24 * Ampera adds electrohead to .gitignore
00:34:02 <electrohead> <joke inserted about git log -p>
00:35:08 <K> cease the talk about big logs
00:35:17 * jaymax commits forked Ampera
00:35:55 <jaymax> K, I like big logs and-I-will-not-lie.
00:36:09 <electrohead> it's just the smaller logs you can't deny
00:36:19 <K> lumberjack alert!
00:36:27 <electrohead> lmao
00:36:37 <Ampera> well he's a canadian, that's to be expected
00:36:52 <K> unfortunate
00:36:55 <Ampera> if hitler was gay, canada would be paradise
00:36:56 <jaymax> Well I do like to press wildflowers
00:37:56 <jaymax> Ampera if hitler was gay, he'd kill himself before reaching the canukistan
00:38:13 <Ampera> how are your suicide rates doing
00:38:30 <jaymax> I'm still here.
00:38:37 <Ampera> yes, but for how long
00:39:07 <T3sl4> why Ampera, looking to emigrate?
00:39:07 <jaymax> Nothing\ is as well. So based on the population of the country itself, I guess 50% survival.
00:39:30 <K> rates or notes?
00:42:06 <Ampera> T3sl4, no, denigrate.
00:42:53 <T3sl4> sounds grate
00:44:25 <K> them grapes be sour anyway.
00:46:09 <jaymax> I can attest to that. The leaves are probably more useful.
00:48:42 <T3sl4> i don't believe a fig of it
00:51:20 <jaymax> You need not accept my claim to the date.
00:51:42 <jaymax> I was merely raisin the point.
00:52:05 <K> you better not be pissin in the pot!
00:52:06 <T3sl4> well that's just peachy keen
00:52:37 <jaymax> Meh, I think that's the pits.
00:52:48 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/0KKrEY1.jpg
00:52:59 <K> haha
00:53:03 <K> this is good
00:53:22 <jaymax> LOL
01:09:19 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/holdmyfeedingtube/comments/rey04i/hmft_after_i_miss_the_ramp/
01:09:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - HMFT after I miss the ramp : holdmyfeedingtube
01:09:25 <electrohead> well that had to fucking hurt
01:10:01 <K> ughhh
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02:41:50 * arch force feeds T3sl4 some crushed ferrite powder
02:47:24 * arch feeds electrohead some crushed iron powder instead
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03:10:41 * jaymax hands arch the aluminium shavings
03:16:49 * arch chomps aluminium shavings
03:18:43 <Kuschelpony> good day
03:21:02 <jaymax> *Dementia chomps arch*
03:25:42 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlMNINnfRdY
03:25:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Damn Deer
03:29:03 <Kuschelpony> arch, i could today make a few more experiments
03:29:42 <Kuschelpony> that inverting buck does start only if the source has several 1000µF in paralell
03:30:04 <Kuschelpony> when the voltage rises slowly it gets in a hiccup and can draw past 5 amps
03:30:28 <Kuschelpony> i rhink i do not continue with tis circuit
03:32:19 <arch> Kuschelpony, try an UVLO
03:32:55 <Kuschelpony> im too lazy to frankenstein more around that xl4005 module, will make a proper flyback instead next weekend
03:33:26 <arch> Kuschelpony, you tried something like this? https://i.imgur.com/zXRiPYF.png
03:34:47 <Kuschelpony> no, only modded around a readymade board
03:35:38 <Kuschelpony> was more like a "i want to try if it works that way to make + and - 12v from 19"
03:52:06 <arch> Kuschelpony, which controller will you be using for your flyback?
03:52:29 <Kuschelpony> the classic UC3842, have a few here
03:52:43 * flyback bites Kuschelpony and arch
03:52:46 <Kuschelpony> most other stuff would need likely to wait until january
03:53:04 <arch> im going to be building this synchro buck used in inverting config: https://i.imgur.com/NoUr5EH.png
03:53:14 <Kuschelpony> im familiar with the UC, have used it already 10 years ago for projects
03:53:49 <arch> o wait i made an error
03:54:06 <arch> bootstrap cap
03:54:09 <flyback> hehe I bought these tiny boost converters
03:54:13 <flyback> one does 5v ones does 3.3
03:54:25 <flyback> I htink they willl start on 0.4 but go down to 0.2 or 0.3
03:54:34 <flyback> amazing how far smps have come
03:54:58 <arch> yeah i have some like that, TPS613222A
03:55:03 <arch> it's synchro boost tho
03:55:47 <arch> there we go, fixed schematic: https://i.imgur.com/R5CBTy2.png
03:56:05 <flyback> crazy stuff
03:56:21 <flyback> being able to run on almost zilch voltage
03:57:01 <arch> good for fuel cell technology, or single cell solar
03:57:10 <flyback> yep
03:57:18 <flyback> or iot stuff
03:57:37 <flyback> trying to survive on a battery as long as possible
03:58:01 <arch> well, it won't make much difference for a battery. the energy is almost all gone, at 0.8V for alkaline cell
03:58:25 <flyback> well depends on the iot stuff :P
03:58:30 <flyback> some chips are very low power
03:59:08 <arch> not that, i mean it won't make much difference as the current draw at such a low voltage is really high; the ESR of a highly discharged battery is the limiting factor as well
03:59:45 <flyback> true
03:59:51 <flyback> ble, zigbee, etc are amazing
03:59:55 <flyback> very low currents
03:59:58 <arch> which is why you see the efficiency curves plummet; you might get 85% efficiency at 0.7V, but less than 60% at 0.6V
04:00:24 <arch> mosfet rds on + ESR + high currents = bad eff
04:05:29 <arch> suppose i have 1uH leakage inductance on the primary side of a flyback. the energy dissipation doesnt necessarily have to be 100% in order to keep voltage rise in control, correct? if i used a RCD clamp?
04:06:01 <arch> so E = 0.5*L_lk*I_pk^2
04:06:28 <arch> instead of dissipating the WHOLE leakage energy, if i dissipated partial, we can get by with a higher clamp voltage. is what i understand
04:06:56 <arch> but let me know if my understanding is incorrect
04:07:09 <arch> woops, forgot to include the fsw in that equation
04:07:23 <arch> E_diss = 0.5*L_lk*I_pk^2*f_sw
04:07:58 <flyback> I have 0 idea I am just a hobby person
04:07:59 <flyback> sorry
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04:08:32 <arch> same here, well, kind of. i do have some fancy EE toys :D
04:08:51 <arch> i just wanna learn shit, but you can't learn shit without fancy toys
04:17:05 <arch> well, i guess you could use simulation, but it's just not the same
04:20:59 <flyback> gotta run, work
04:24:35 <Kuschelpony> > instead of dissipating the WHOLE leakage energy, if i dissipated partial, we can get by with a higher clamp voltage. is what i understand
04:24:38 <Kuschelpony> right!
04:25:19 <Kuschelpony> in the extreme you can recycle 100% of the energy if you have enough off-time to store the flyback peak in a capacitor and let it drive a current back through the primary coil
04:25:51 <Kuschelpony> its a varaiation of Zero-Voltage-Switching
04:27:00 <arch> cool. i dont think i need that as the energy dissipation should be manageable at just 100khz fsw and just a few watts (<5W)
04:28:16 <flyback> yeah zero voltage switching is becoming more popular than to gaan mosfets
04:28:25 <flyback> i guess normal mosfets don't like ZVS it's hard on them
04:28:29 <flyback> but gaan ones can take it
04:30:22 <flyback> so now they can use zvs which is more efficient and allows for smaller parts
04:30:36 <flyback> which is why you been seeing this rediculaous small laptop psu's
04:31:31 <flyback> gaaan mosfets might even eat into igbt space
04:31:48 <flyback> igbt had the one advantafe of being able to beat the shit out of them for a while
04:31:55 <Kuschelpony> arch, that thing is widely known from television flyback line output stages where you hve several kVA circulating
04:32:11 <flyback> anyways work time
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06:44:31 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/maybemaybemaybe/comments/rfd2q4/maybe_maybe_maybe/
06:44:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Maybe Maybe Maybe : maybemaybemaybe
06:55:06 <DHess_US> https://old.reddit.com/r/maybemaybemaybe/comments/rfhc00/maybe_maybe_maybe/
06:55:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
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07:53:03 <Halcyon> YAY! No more masks from tomorrow
07:53:04 <Halcyon> \o/
07:56:45 * electrohead hugs Halcyon's face
07:56:50 <Halcyon> Aww :)
07:56:52 <Halcyon> Face hugs
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08:16:16 <Halcyon> I might go buy an IR themometer today
08:17:26 <arch> Halcyon, do et. very handy
08:17:36 <Halcyon> Mostly for cooking purposes
08:17:40 <arch> and not too expensive. $60 i think, for a Fluke 59 Max
08:18:04 <Halcyon> I want to make Karaage later and realised I have no way of accurately measuring oil temperature
08:18:20 <Halcyon> Yeh they are under $100
08:18:35 <arch> this is my future project: https://github.com/maxritter/DIY-Thermocam
08:18:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - maxritter/DIY-Thermocam: The DIY-Thermocam is a do-it-yourself infrared camera, based on the popular FLIR Lepton long-wave infrared sensor and the Arduino compatible Teensy 4.1 microcontroller.
08:18:47 <Halcyon> Oh neat
08:18:48 <arch> im gonna port it to copperclad
08:18:54 <arch> like a crazy sob
08:19:12 <arch> who the fuck uses thruhole resistors for the PCB? it looks like 75% too big
08:22:17 <arch> if i can port the controleo2 to copperclad design, i can do the same for taht pcb, which looks even simpler layout wise
08:25:45 <arch> not sure why he used a modular boost reg pcb (overpriced). plenty of space on that PCB; just use any TPSxx TI synchro boost regs and all set.
08:25:56 <arch> plug and chug
08:35:50 <arch> how low of a ripple fraction can i use with the UCxxxx series? 20%? iirc T3sl4 said they don't play nice with too low ripple
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09:41:41 <Halcyon> Hey, do any of you guys know much about epoxy and such?
09:42:07 <Halcyon> I want to make some bookends from empty wine bottles but they aren't heavy enough on their own, so I was thinking about filling them with some kind of clear resin to give it some weight
09:43:58 <Halcyon> Epoxy doesn't expand as it cures does it? I don't want the glass cracking
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09:45:31 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
09:45:34 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @FOSSfirefighter: I dont have a vintage computer problem :) https://t.co/reeys1fvKX
09:45:41 <Nothing\> i've gotta say, i'm one happy camper today
09:45:48 <Nothing\> (now that my meds kicked in lol)
09:45:52 <Halcyon> Hooray!
09:45:57 <Nothing\> hooray indeed
09:46:10 <Halcyon> I'm about to go to the hardware store, then supermarket
09:46:14 <Nothing\> how are things on your end, Halcyon? you keeping scum off the streets?
09:46:35 <Halcyon> Nah, I took the day off
09:46:38 <Nothing\> right on, i really need to go to the hardware store
09:46:41 <Sigyn> Halcyon: I'd probably expirment with some cheap glass bottle
09:46:45 <Nothing\> right on, hope it is/was a good one
09:46:54 <Nothing\> but yeah i've gotta get some lumber, and a jig saw
09:47:01 <Halcyon> Sigyn, the bottles themselves aren't expensive (the wine in them was) but I have a bunch of empties
09:47:04 <Nothing\> been wanting both for over a year now
09:47:20 <Nothing\> i figure if i can't 3d print stuff, i might as well just hack apart tree corpses
09:47:24 <Halcyon> I thought about just using sand, but you can kind of see the sand inside the bottles.
09:48:28 <Nothing\> damn wtf
09:48:29 <Sigyn> Also not sure if there is a lot of thermal expansion with epoxy
09:48:37 <Nothing\> i got this xmas tree with lights already on it
09:48:47 <Sigyn> Halcyon: might look cool with pebbles
09:48:52 <Nothing\> and it has this garland you sorta wrap around it with lights on it to fill in the spaces in it
09:49:02 <Nothing\> but the lights on the garland are battery powered
09:49:06 <Halcyon> Hey maybe, I'll have to play around a bit. I'll see what they have at the store.
09:49:09 <Nothing\> while the lights on the tree are powered by mains
09:49:15 <Nothing\> what moron thought of that?
09:49:47 <Nothing\> has he never seen lights you can daisy chain together?
09:50:18 <Nothing\> which, i daisy chained some fairy lights all along the edge of the ceiling in my room, going around the whole perimeter of my room
09:50:21 <Nothing\> it looks great, at first
09:50:37 <Nothing\> until you realize it makes it so there are no shadows in my room at all and it starts messing with your head
09:50:44 <Nothing\> combined with the constant red light
09:50:57 <Nothing\> i guess you're not meant to use 300 at a time
09:51:17 <Nothing\> but it's like being inside satan's ring-light
09:52:33 <Nothing\> sucks too, it took me like an hour to put em all up cuz i'd have to use a step stool, put a few tacks in, move the stool, do a few more tacks, and every so often i'd get a section of wall that was just painted concrete but looks identical to the dry wall
09:52:58 <Nothing\> i dunno what it is, even my window frame, it's like there's just 1 or 2mm of wood and then concrete right under it
09:53:31 <Nothing\> it sucks because i like to put towels over my window, and putting curtains up is impossible cuz i don't have a drill with enough torque for concrete, let alone bits for concrete
09:53:52 <Nothing\> i've never even drilled through concrete but i ouldn't imagine it takes a genius
09:55:01 <Nothing\> but my mum got all these curtains to put up when we moved in, then we find we can't put them up cuz there are no holes and no brackets or anything for mounting curtains. So it'd be nice to be able to put the brackets up so my mum can finally hang her curtains
09:55:39 <Nothing\> plus i alwayshang around in my boxers and i always feel like i'm a step away from getting a visit from police re: indecent exposure for going in front of my front kitchen window in my boxers
09:56:17 <Nothing\> i remember a story in the news years ago about a guy who got charged with indecent exposure because he made a cup of coffee nude in his kitchen, which had windows that let people look in
09:57:01 <Nothing\> but it makes no sense to me because voyeurism laws state that voyeurism has taken place if there's been a breach of privacy where privacy is reasonably expected, like in one's home
09:57:17 <Nothing\> doubly so (one would think) if they were nude
09:57:40 <Nothing\> yet somehow the voyeurs are the ones who were wronged because they didn't like what they were peeping in on
09:58:27 <Nothing\> i had to yell at some smartass dolt in the summer who was walking in the parking lot and made a comment about me smoking weed cuz i was blowing the smoke out my window
09:58:41 <Nothing\> i called her a fucking pervert and told her to stop looking in peoples' houses
09:58:45 <Nothing\> among a few other choice words
09:58:50 <Nothing\> lol her friends laughed at her
10:03:05 <Nothing\> well this is neat
10:03:07 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/2annt758
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10:03:20 <Nothing\> it's an extension you can put on your drill to turn it into a reciprocating saw
10:03:26 <Nothing\> my only question is how well it works
10:03:43 <Nothing\> cuz if it works as well as it should, this would be a great addition to the toolbox
10:16:46 <Nothing\> right
10:16:52 <Nothing\> well to anyone who reads this
10:17:00 <Nothing\> best wishes and good health
10:17:02 <Nothing\> cheers
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11:53:39 <T3sl4> mornin
11:54:23 <arch> hi
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12:03:56 <arch> this might be a dumb question. im trying to use a synchro buck reg in inverting config. the enable pin needs above 1.6V to turn on. if i were to connect the EN pin to GND, as opposed to VCC, would it turn on? https://i.imgur.com/nphx57Z.png
12:04:30 <arch> by GND i mean the 0V rail
12:06:00 <arch> my logic goes like: ok, the -6.5V rail is -6.5V below 0V; ie the EN pin, were it to be fed GND, would be 6.5V ABOVE -6.5V, so it WOULD turn on
12:09:29 <arch> that's assuming steady state. but what about on bootup? EN pin would technically be the same voltage as what's on the regulator's GND pin
12:09:45 <arch> would it sorta oscillate or go haywire?
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12:10:14 <Nothing\> hey guys
12:11:21 <Nothing\> i'm looking for some sort of app note or something that will explain the different numbering schemes for eeprom chips. Because it seems like there's some sort of pattern to it, regardless of manufacturer. But I can't figure it out on my own just from comparing chip numbers with their characteristics and trying to figure out what the pattern is
12:11:42 <Nothing\> mainly i'm just confused about the prefixes, like at29, at28, etc
12:12:55 <Nothing\> and i dunno if it's just cuz atmel's the defacto eeprom supplier or something, but they seem to be the only chips I can ever find. And for some reason it's impossible to find anything with more than 1mbyte
12:14:14 <Nothing\> not that i need anything that big right now. But you never know. I couldn't see fitting a useful OS onto 1 meg. But I guess that's meant to load a more robust OS from some other type of data storage which is a whole other can of wormss
12:14:38 <Nothing\> right now i'm just looking to understand and know as many eeprom chips as i can
12:18:13 <Nothing\> wtf
12:18:32 <Nothing\> electroboom's doing a project wiring a 30amp circuit into his house so he can have a 4kw space heater
12:18:35 <Nothing\> is that even legal?
12:18:48 <Nothing\> well i guess so long as it's YOUR house you're doing it to
12:19:05 <Nothing\> and it's not like 30amp breakers are unheard of
12:19:11 <Nothing\> breakers/outlets
12:19:33 <jaymax> I don't see why not. He'll do it to spec - and with humour.
12:19:47 <Nothing\> it's just funny cuz i know it's common for homes in Europe to run on as little as 60amps
12:20:21 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh for sure. I have to admit, it was an acquired taste. But once I realized he's smarter than he makes himself out to be, I really started to enjoy his channel.
12:20:28 <Nothing\> also, it's good to see you buddy.
12:20:31 <Nothing\> how are you doing?
12:20:35 <jaymax> Like, back in the 1970's 60amp was the case on *this* continent.
12:21:04 <jaymax> Doing good. I should be asleep tho.
12:21:12 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
12:21:14 <Ampera> how are you doing nowhere man
12:21:33 <Nothing\> jaymax, really? i woulda figured houses used more power back in the day just because we weren't as concerned with "green" appliances and power saving devices and stuff like that. Plus I would assume power costs would be significantly less, even when taking inflation into account.
12:21:34 <arch> simulating on ltspice to see if my hunch is right
12:21:42 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera
12:21:54 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, i'm doing pretty good actually, thanks.
12:22:04 <Nothing\> how bout you? I hope everything's good on your end.
12:22:05 <jaymax> Nothing\ it's was more about consistent load.
12:22:14 <Ampera> we're getting two new cats in about an hour
12:22:24 <Nothing\> Ampera, is that legal?
12:22:30 <Ampera> huh?
12:22:41 <Nothing\> i'm not sure about NY but i know in Ontario it's not legal to have more than 3 cats in a household
12:22:47 <Nothing\> but either way that's fuckin awesome
12:22:48 <Ampera> wtf
12:22:50 <Nothing\> i'm happy for you, dude
12:22:52 <jaymax> 200amp is standard now, only because of all the shit that draws factory-loads for milliseconds.
12:22:57 <Ampera> no it's not illegal
12:23:06 <Ampera> that's a dumb fucking law
12:23:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, cuz of issues with pet hoarders and that
12:23:15 <Nothing\> i think it's a good law, to a point.
12:23:22 <Ampera> I don't.
12:23:30 <Ampera> It's my own damn house, I can own as many cats as I damn well please.
12:23:35 <Ampera> Government get out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
12:23:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, you've never seen what a puppy/kitten farm looks like
12:23:40 <Ampera> I've seen them.
12:23:52 <Ampera> That beings said, puppy/kitten mills are already illegal
12:23:53 <jaymax> No step on snek Nothing\
12:23:57 <Nothing\> but yeah i can see your point as a regular, caring owner
12:23:58 <Ampera> as well as general animal abuse
12:24:12 <Nothing\> jaymax, 200? really?
12:24:16 <Ampera> arbitrarily limiting the number of cats you can have just makes that more illegal while unreasonably restricting people with honest intentions.
12:24:16 <Nothing\> that's ridiculous
12:24:28 <Nothing\> i think my house is only wired for 120amp
12:24:33 <Ampera> My house is 200 amp
12:24:38 <Ampera> 200 amp has been standard for decades.
12:24:46 <Nothing\> actually
12:24:47 <jaymax> 100amp minimum. but the cost between a 200amp upgrade and 100amp upgrade is nil, so...
12:25:01 <arch> ok i just simulated it, and it seems my understanding was flawed. with 0V connected to the EN, the reg will not turn on
12:25:02 <Ampera> honestly I'm wondering if we won't start seeing 250-300+ amp installations as EVs become more popular.
12:25:04 <Nothing\> help me to clear up this assumption i have
12:25:30 <Ampera> a two car garage with a couple of EVs charging could easily pull 100A
12:25:43 <Nothing\> i've always assumed that if a house is wired for say, 200amp service, that would mean if you were to look at the breaker box, you'd have breakers that add up to 200 amps
12:25:48 <Ampera> 100A on both phases, mind you
12:25:51 <jaymax> I bought my house with 60amp service - had the sale price dropped to cover the insurance requiremnt of getting the elevtrical up to code. OFC I did 200amp.
12:25:54 <Nothing\> which i'm starting to realize i may be mistaken about
12:25:55 <Ampera> Nothing\, incorrect.
12:25:59 <Nothing\> Ampera, thank you
12:26:07 <Ampera> 200 amp service means you can only pull 200A at once, and that your main breaker must be 200A
12:26:29 <Ampera> but you can have >200A in total, as the point of breakers down the chain is not to protect from overloading the line into the house
12:26:34 <Ampera> that's the point of the main breaker.
12:26:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, so how can you tell what your house is wired for? cuz all I've got coming into my house is this thick cable with no markings on it at all
12:26:47 <Nothing\> and for some reason it's been spraypainted silver in parts
12:27:01 <Nothing\> doesn't look like it's been touched in the 40 years this place has existed
12:27:19 <Ampera> the point of breakers is to allow cheaper wiring to be used for general purposes, where wiring and outlets capable of 200A sustained are impractical.
12:27:28 <jaymax> 40 years? Likely 100amp.
12:27:30 <Nothing\> i don't even have access to my fucking meter
12:27:45 <Nothing\> i'd have to go into my neighbour's back yard to access my meter
12:27:49 <jaymax> If there are ~20 breaker slots - most definitely 100amp
12:27:49 <Ampera> It could also be inversely said, that breakers are there to prevent the wires connected to them from overheating in an overcurrent situation and causing a fire.
12:28:04 <Ampera> Ultimately, you can tell via the rating on your main breaker.
12:28:06 <jaymax> Dozen slots? 60amp.
12:28:07 <Nothing\> which, it seems really... illegal to restrict access to somebody's power meter like that
12:28:19 <Nothing\> like, for a landlord to restrict access
12:28:28 <jaymax> Fuses? Ya fooked with 60 amp
12:28:45 <Nothing\> so lemme ask this then
12:28:52 <Nothing\> if you have a 20 amp fuse/breaker/whatever
12:28:54 <Nothing\> circuit?
12:29:01 <Ampera> all terms are acceptable
12:29:04 <Nothing\> does that mean the plugs would be 20 amp plugs?
12:29:06 <Ampera> the breaker protects a circuit
12:29:07 <Ampera> nope
12:29:11 <Nothing\> you know, with the sideways blades
12:29:18 <Nothing\> or blade
12:29:22 <Ampera> The breakers protect the wire.
12:29:23 <Nothing\> it's like a T shape, isn't it
12:29:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, aye
12:29:30 <Ampera> 20A wiring and 15A outlets are common.
12:29:40 <Ampera> and the term to look up is NEMA 5-20P
12:29:50 <Nothing\> i've seen these neat breakers that actually break the circuit if they detect any high frequency RF
12:29:54 <Ampera> You can certainly put 20A outlets on a 20A circuit, what you should never do is place a 20A outlet on a 15A circuit.
12:29:59 <DHess_US> arc fault interrupters
12:30:01 <Ampera> AFCI?s
12:30:04 <Nothing\> i.e. RF you'd expect to come from an arc
12:30:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, yup
12:30:11 <jaymax> Take the faceplate off, and you should see yellow romex in there. if the shilding is white instead, they fooked ya.
12:30:16 <Nothing\> i almost wish i had one of those
12:30:20 <Ampera> the cool ones are the combo AFCI/GFCI breakers
12:30:24 <Ampera> insanely expensive
12:30:32 <Ampera> I'm not sure if those are typically placed on the main breaker or sub-breakers.
12:30:42 <Nothing\> except, i only know about them because i was watching a video about... some project that required sparks
12:30:49 <Ampera> AFCI breakers are rare outside modern installations, and GFCI breakers are even rarer.
12:30:49 <Nothing\> but the sparks kept tripping his AFCI
12:30:55 <Nothing\> and it took him forever to figure it out
12:30:59 <Nothing\> and then find a workaround
12:31:13 <Nothing\> i think he even tried a faraday cage lol
12:31:15 <Ampera> Our house's panel is not new enough to have anything besides normal overcurrent breakers.
12:31:22 <Nothing\> which woulda been my first thought
12:31:26 <Ampera> the workaround is to replace the breaker with a normal breaker.
12:31:45 <Ampera> then put it back when you're done
12:31:53 * T3sl4 hugs and noogies Nothing\
12:31:57 <Nothing\> i'd probably get like a cardboard box, and just wrap it either in plain Al foil or make a sort of checkerboard pattern from aluminium tape
12:32:10 <Ampera> Plain breakers are hilariously cheap.
12:32:24 * Nothing\ embraces T3sl4's affection and gives him a power hug <3
12:32:25 <Ampera> I think AFCI/GFCI stuff will probably go down in price at some point, and probably already has
12:32:30 <Nothing\> T3sl4, how you doing buddy?
12:32:30 * electrohead films
12:32:37 * T3sl4 noogies electrohead too
12:32:38 <Nothing\> electrohead, easy there cowboy
12:32:38 <Nothing\> lol
12:32:40 <Ampera> as residential electric is cheap with scale.
12:32:55 <Ampera> The PDU I built for my server has some neat tricks.
12:32:58 * jaymax goes to bed and does Nothing\
12:33:01 <Nothing\> Ampera, we don't even have fuckin gfci outlets in our bathrooms
12:33:10 <Nothing\> jaymax, you really off to bed?
12:33:22 <Ampera> It's two 240V 15A breakers servicing NEMA 6-15 outlets.
12:33:24 <Nothing\> or not gfci
12:33:30 <Ampera> no, it's GFCI
12:33:31 <Nothing\> or maybe it is
12:33:34 <jaymacks> Yeah. Freaking dark af
12:33:38 <Nothing\> the ones with the test and reset switches
12:33:40 <Ampera> or or GFI or RCD if you're inbred.
12:33:49 <Nothing\> jaymacks, ah alright man. Well you have a good one. Ya hear?
12:33:56 <Ampera> GFCIs are neat, but I wouldn't trust my life to one.
12:34:08 <Nothing\> Ampera, no, i wouldn't trust my life to any of these
12:34:11 <Ampera> and as a result, would not be more or less concerned about having or not having a GFCI in a bathroom.
12:34:12 <jaymacks> Cheers.
12:34:21 <Nothing\> which brings to mind an interesting question
12:34:22 <Ampera> Don't be stupid, and you won't die.
12:34:28 <Nothing\> there are all of these devices on the market, right
12:34:48 <Nothing\> but not a single one of them seems to be for human safety. Except grounding, which i rarely ever see, it's disgusting.
12:34:57 Quit: Sigyn ([email protected]) Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1
12:35:16 <Nothing\> like it's gonna make your pricepoint too high if you include 1 extra wire and a plug with 3 pins on it
12:35:31 <Nothing\> we really need legislation like the UK has RE: outlets and plugs
12:35:42 <Nothing\> anyways i think i was making another point and got sidetracked here
12:35:50 <Ampera> huh?
12:35:54 <Ampera> what devices
12:36:06 <Ampera> we already have legislation that requires grounding on devices that aren't double insulated.
12:36:10 <Nothing\> Ampera, everything in the UK is mandated to have a ground pin on it
12:36:18 <Ampera> that's because their outlets can't function without one
12:36:21 <Nothing\> and every plug also must have a fuse in it by law
12:36:23 <Nothing\> yeah
12:36:28 <jaymacks> Just not the freakish ring topology.
12:36:30 <Nothing\> i'm saying we need the same shit here
12:36:30 <Ampera> the ground pin doesn't need to be made out of metal.
12:36:34 <Ampera> why
12:36:37 <jaymacks> UK can keep that
12:36:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, safety
12:36:46 <Ampera> Fused plugs are a good idea, I can agree.
12:36:50 <Ampera> Nothing\, what's safer about it
12:36:59 <Ampera> The UK doesn't mandate ground pins
12:37:03 <Nothing\> what's safer about having a ground plug?
12:37:04 <Ampera> the UK mandates pins in the ground position.
12:37:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, same difference. Ideally.
12:37:18 <Ampera> Nothing\, you're falling into an old fallacy.
12:37:23 <Ampera> Nothing\, no it's not
12:37:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, if it saves one life it's worth it
12:37:43 <Ampera> https://vetco.net/spree/products/59809/product_preview_4x3/open-uri20160601-21382-91ihs.jpg
12:37:49 <Ampera> These exist and are, to my knowledge, legal in the UK.
12:37:55 <Ampera> Grounding doesn't always save people's lives.
12:37:56 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/miSV5OP.png
12:38:00 <Nothing\> and yo ucan't tell me a ground pin won't save a life in the event of a fault
12:38:03 <Ampera> Yes I can.
12:38:13 <Ampera> There are devices specifically designed so those faults can't happen.
12:38:17 <Nothing\> say an uninsulated bit of wire comes into contact with metal casing
12:38:19 <arch> lol T3sl4
12:38:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah but not always
12:38:32 <Ampera> Nothing\, look up double insulated.
12:38:35 <Nothing\> which is where the ground mandate comes in
12:38:37 <Ampera> then stop being so pretentious :P
12:38:40 <steve30> The plastic 'ground pin' is known as an 'ISOD'
12:38:44 <Ampera> The UK doesn't have a ground mandate.
12:38:46 <Ampera> It doesn't exist.
12:38:48 <Ampera> Stop talking about it.
12:39:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, you really think double insulation is a cheaper price point than adding a grounding pin?
12:39:09 <steve30> If a device doesn't need a ground pin, the plug must still have one as it is used to open the safety shutters.
12:39:20 <steve30> (ISOD standing for Insulated Shutter Opening Device)
12:39:24 <Ampera> Nothing\, yes, the vast majority of cheap electronics are double insulated and do not contain metal casing.
12:39:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, tell that to the people who made my toaster oven
12:39:47 <Ampera> Toaster ovens are made out of metal.
12:39:51 <Nothing\> exactly
12:39:59 <Nothing\> so why's there no ground pin on it
12:40:07 <arch> your face is made of metal
12:40:17 <Ampera> If your oven has metal pieces, and no ground pin, then those pieces are designed to double insulated against contact with live electronics.
12:40:17 <Nothing\> arch, dude that would be soooo cool
12:40:23 <Nothing\> i don't even care if i'd look like a freak
12:40:27 <Ampera> Again, look up double insulated.
12:40:36 <steve30> Now, you sometimes get 'ground pins' which are made of both metal AND plastic. Those are illegal.
12:40:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, i intend to. you piqued my curiosity with that one
12:40:56 <Nothing\> though i can get a pretty good mental image of it i think
12:41:00 <Nothing\> something like a thermos, yeah?
12:41:02 <Ampera> No.
12:41:06 <Nothing\> okay
12:41:11 <Nothing\> then i've got some rabbit holes to go down
12:41:13 <Nothing\> :P
12:41:29 <Nothing\> well thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Ampera
12:41:34 <Nothing\> and clearing all of that up
12:41:55 <Ampera> What's sad is of all the people in this channel, I'm probably the least electrically experienced.
12:42:08 <Ampera> which is just to say, don't take my word for any of this.
12:42:23 <Nothing\> it's like i say, better to look like a fool for a moment and learn something you'll use the rest of your life than to not speak up, and spend the rest of your life believing, and espousing incorrect ideas while looking foolish the whole time
12:42:31 <Ampera> I understand the general point behind double insulated electronics, but there's a lot of specific technical details I am not aware of.
12:42:46 <Nothing\> so, a lifetime of looking foolish to save your pride, or a moment of MAYBE appearing foolish to learn something new
12:42:47 <Ampera> Nothing\, ask questions, don't make assertions.
12:42:51 <Nothing\> i mean, it's a no brainer, really
12:43:02 <Ampera> People who ask stupid questions only look like fools to jackasses.
12:43:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, i try but easier said than done, you know
12:43:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, exactly
12:43:15 <Ampera> People who are overly confident and assert their knowledge as correct, despite no experience, are the fools.
12:43:21 <Ampera> Ask me how I know.
12:43:38 <arch> here's synchro buck in inverting config. the output basically settles in the same amount of time https://i.imgur.com/aMewIfB.png
12:43:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, i always get people on youtube asking me stuff like "how are you so smart?" or "how do you know so much about so many thing?" stuff like that
12:43:48 <Nothing\> and i just tell them, i'm not smart
12:43:52 <Nothing\> i just like learning
12:44:03 <Nothing\> and anyone can do it. Nobody's born smart or with lots of knowledge.
12:44:18 <Ampera> I have the uncanny ability to remember everything I never needed to know.
12:44:35 <Ampera> If it's information that is completely useless to me in any way, I'll probably retain it.
12:45:23 <Nothing\> I tell them to just take their time learning stuff, even if you just learn one new thing a day, it adds up before long. And it especially helps if you turn it into something you enjoy, like I find with math, applying the math you've learned to over the top thought experiments is always a fun way to practice.
12:45:38 <Nothing\> Like working out the forces a CD spinning a 15,000rpm would experience
12:46:01 <Nothing\> Ampera, haha tell me about it re: remembering useless stuff
12:46:14 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to make a toilet-reader of interesting factoids
12:46:55 <Nothing\> you know, a book with bitesized little pieces of information that's perfect for reading while you're on the can cuz you can just pick it up and set it down as you please
12:47:22 <Nothing\> of course, i came up with this idea 20 years ago. So the idea of publishing a book was a lot more practical back then
12:48:16 <Nothing\> I still wouldn't mind having a YouTube channel or website or something where I can just put all of these useless, but for the most part, interesting little bits of knowledge
12:48:55 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/PDrLoQn.jpg
12:49:43 <Nothing\> Ampera, you ever find that the harder you try, or the more effort you put into doing something, especially when it comes to self improvement or something intangible like that, do you find that the more effort you put into it, the less progress you make, and the less efficient everything all becomes?
12:49:49 <arch> T3sl4, you seem to be bored today. parts haven't arrived yet? :3
12:50:01 <Nothing\> whereas if you don't try and just go all happy-go-lucky through it, things turn out a lot better
12:50:14 <T3sl4> thats my secret cap, i'm always waitin
12:50:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, damn, there's an idea
12:50:27 <arch> https://i.imgflip.com/5xs75b.jpg
12:50:27 <steve30> Nothing\, you should set up a youtube channel like everyone else does then :). Even I have one!
12:50:36 <Nothing\> steve30, oh i have one
12:50:42 <Nothing\> even have like 150 subs
12:50:52 <Nothing\> despite it not being about anything in particular
12:50:52 <steve30> Now you mention it, I have seen it
12:50:55 <Nothing\> aye
12:51:22 <steve30> In other news I've just taken out a gym membership
12:52:00 <Nothing\> about half of it is some circuits i made when i first got into electronics, then a hand full of videos where I tried my hand at making re-cuts or just YTP type stuff. Like I made about a 5 minute recut of an episode of survivor man
12:52:14 <Nothing\> that's my pride and joy, even though it's never been my most popular video
12:52:32 <Nothing\> but i had so much fun making that. I remember laughing until I had tears streaming down my face.
12:52:38 <Nothing\> I really need to get back into that.
12:53:04 <arch> which you will promptly forget about in about 17 days
12:53:15 <Nothing\> but yeah steve30 i could totally do that on my channel
12:53:24 <Nothing\> arch: oh no, i made this video years ago
12:53:31 <Nothing\> it really is my pride and joy
12:53:54 <Nothing\> probably the most effort i've ever put into a creative project, and subsequently the most successful creative project i've ever undertaken
12:54:26 <Nothing\> plus the fact that it's exceedingly rare for me to even complete a project that can't be completed in one sitting is monumental
12:54:38 <Nothing\> or rather, makes it a monumental achievement
12:54:57 <Nothing\> i only put maybe 20-30 hours into it but still
12:55:13 <Nothing\> that might as well be a lifetime for a guy with little to no follow-through
12:55:15 <steve30> that reminds me, i need to take a photo to go on my youtube channel page
12:55:55 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OS1ZT702t8&t=1s
12:55:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Survivorman's Quest for Flavorful Hot Drink
12:56:09 <Nothing\> lol i even posted it on Les Stroud's personal Facebook page, but he never said anything
12:56:19 <Nothing\> at least he didn't try to copyright strike me on YouTube
12:57:21 <Nothing\> yeah i should really dress my channel up some, too. I haven't touched it at all, aesthetically speaking since i first set up the account. So no background pic or any of that cuz it didn't exist at the time.
12:57:35 <Nothing\> Plus having no theme doesn't help
12:58:35 <Nothing\> i thought there was a way to filter google image results by color
13:00:06 <steve30> Here is the video I did of the christmas lights switch on, in case anyone fancies some festive viewing
13:00:06 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKadPZpbBpQ
13:00:21 <steve30> It includes mention of teensie microcontrollers
13:00:35 <steve30> (someone demo'd an art installation)
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13:12:41 <Nothing\> steve30, ooh nice, that's always a great moment
13:12:43 * Nothing\ clicks
13:13:04 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Crypto EFT's on the ASX was inevitable. It's not hard to buy your own and store in a hardware wallet. https://t.co/HDRVPD26Td
13:13:14 <steve30> Also worth watching if you like stuff shot with vintage video cameras
13:13:16 <Nothing\> and yeah i've always wanted to make my own lights. One of these days. Maybe next year when I get my head around ATTiny MCUs
13:13:46 <Nothing\> i mean, I've seen ATMega328 assembly, and it does not look like it was intended to be used by humans
13:14:07 <Nothing\> though that was just my initial impressions being completely naive to anything regarding it
13:14:36 <Nothing\> but i'm hoping the ATTinys are easier to program than it seems an ATMega would be if you used assembly
13:14:53 <Nothing\> steve30, and i do like watching stuff shot with vintage cameras
13:15:05 <Nothing\> i love anything that makes me feel like it's not the 2000s
13:15:10 <steve30> hehe
13:15:15 <steve30> well, the one I did that on was made in 1998
13:15:16 <Nothing\> i swear, once the millenium came, everything went to hell
13:15:40 <Nothing\> not just world-wide, but in my life even too. And not as a result of the world events, even indirectly.
13:16:45 <Nothing\> oh wow that's a whole thing
13:16:58 <Nothing\> lol i thougt it was just you turning on your house lights for the first time
13:17:07 <Nothing\> i'll have to watch this when i have more attention
13:17:24 <Nothing\> and bring my mum in on it too, she loves christmas stuff
13:17:45 <steve30> The bit at 5:15 is the teensie based christmas lights
13:17:58 <steve30> Its only a brief explanation/demo, nothing very technical
13:18:11 <Nothing\> ah right on
13:19:02 <Nothing\> huh
13:19:10 * Nothing\ just discovered GitHub Desktop
13:20:12 <Nothing\> i'll be honest, github always confused me to no end. Even just trying to download something isn't straight forward if you're not familiar with the site
13:20:33 <Nothing\> but damned if it isn't a great repository for software in raw code format
13:21:25 <Nothing\> screw it
13:22:25 <Nothing\> i wanna have a smoke, but the insulation in my smoking room is broken or something cuz it's always like 15 degrees in there. So I inevitably have to get dressed before I go in, which defeats the purpose of smoking indoors so i don't have to prepare before i go out for a smoke
13:23:35 <Nothing\> alternatively i could smoke in the bathroom, but the idiot who installed the fan in the exhaust vent installed it backwards. So it just blows the smoke back into the bathroom. And even trying to rely on natural ventilation, the whole upstairs smells like I'm hiding a skunk in the attic
13:23:47 <Nothing\> ah first world problems
13:24:12 <Nothing\> and smoking in my room is right out. to me that's akin to shitting where you eat
13:25:05 <Nothing\> much as i don't mind the smell. It's not a smell I'd want to have to smell all night.
13:25:38 <Nothing\> oh well i guess i'll gofigure it out
13:25:41 <Nothing\> ttfn my friends
13:26:01 * T3sl4 (hickory) smokes Nothing\
13:26:03 <T3sl4> cheers :)
13:26:20 <Nothing\> man i love hickory smoke bbq sauce
13:26:29 <Nothing\> that bullseye bbq sauce is amazing in hickory
13:26:37 <Nothing\> i could drink that stuff straight out of the bottle
13:27:35 <Nothing\> heh T3sl4 i actually decided with my mum that when my probation's up in february, we're gonna go out for a nice steak dinner to celebrate
13:27:55 <Nothing\> and i suspect she's gonna claim it as my birthday present too, since that'd only be 2 weeks from that point
13:28:10 <Nothing\> which is just fine by me. So long as I get my steak dinner.
13:28:42 <Nothing\> But she only ever makes these "fast fry" steaks that are barely 1/4in thick
13:28:51 <Nothing\> you fry em for 2 minutes and they're welldone
13:29:08 <T3sl4> basically chop it up and that's cheesesteak material
13:29:19 <Nothing\> but the store never has the same cuts so it's a craps shoot whether you get a good cut or not
13:30:23 <Nothing\> and given i only have a grand total of 10 molars, that's for the top, bottom, left and right sides, if i get a tough piece of meat i pretty much have to spit it out
13:31:06 <Nothing\> either that or as i'm chewing, push the strings out with my tongue and then try to carefully cut them with a knife
13:31:43 <Nothing\> cuz that's the main problem, they're all full of these strings that i just cannot chew through for the life of me. I'm not even sure people with good teeth could chew such meat.
13:32:07 <T3sl4> sous vide should be good for you
13:32:37 <Nothing\> but i feel bad cuz my mum goes to all this trouble to make a meal, which happens to be my favourite meal she makes, when she gets a good cut, but you know how mothers are, it doesn't matter if it was the cut, if the food is inedible, it's her faultin her mind.
13:32:51 <Nothing\> So I've got that weighing on her, which weighs on me
13:33:54 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah? I was thinking one time years and years back I got this surf and turf deal that was like a filet mignon with a scampi tail on top and all drowning in wine sauce
13:33:59 <Nothing\> oh man it was so good
13:34:13 <Nothing\> it was during one of my "pretend I'm a rich man" days
13:34:22 <Nothing\> or what i now recognize as mania
13:34:48 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #eevblog
13:35:08 <Nothing\> got a shrimp cocktail with seveal types of melted cheese and of course wine sauce for my apetizer, then the surf and turf, and 5 pints on the side
13:35:19 <T3sl4> fillet needs to be done right
13:35:22 <Nothing\> after the tip, the billwas well north of $120
13:35:39 <Nothing\> you know what confuses me? is kobe beef
13:35:42 <Nothing\> it looks gross
13:35:48 <Nothing\> it's so fatty
13:36:26 <Nothing\> which i know that's where the flavour is. But people who eat it even describe the feeling of the fat in the texture. And I dunno about you but I don't want to feel the marbling in my steak.
13:36:43 <Nothing\> they say it has a sort of creamy, melt in your mouth texture
13:37:30 <Nothing\> kobe beef, or that other one I can't think of ,or any of those famouse types of japanese beef
13:37:41 <Nothing\> oh that other one's on the tip of my tongue, it's buggingme
13:37:54 <Nothing\> must... remember... on... own... volition
13:38:11 <T3sl4> same thing from non protected location of origin?
13:38:17 <Nothing\> aye
13:38:29 <Nothing\> and the name lends itself to puns
13:38:50 <Nothing\> something you
13:39:02 <T3sl4> wagyu
13:39:08 <Nothing\> that's it
13:39:12 <Nothing\> thank you
13:39:21 <Nothing\> you just scratched my brain itch for me
13:39:30 <Nothing\> and that's a term i'm going to coin starting now
13:39:31 <Nothing\> brain itch
13:40:08 <Nothing\> where you have something like that, or when you have a problem you're troubleshooting and you HAVE TO fix it. You know the feeling I'm talking about.
13:41:16 <Nothing\> oh snap i think i bought some orange flavoured after eight chocolates. I should see if i can find them.
13:42:17 <Nothing\> i LOVE orange chocolate, or strawberry chocolate. Or really any fruit flavored chocolate. But it's so rare and hard to come by. Especially actual chocolate with fruit flavouring in it. Rather than chocolate filled with a fruit flavoured fondant.
13:43:13 <Nothing\> heh as i kid any time i got one of those Pot of Gold boxes of chocolates, the fruit ones were always the first I'd hunt out
13:43:51 <Nothing\> alright i guess i'll go try and have a smoke now
13:44:00 <Nothing\> i'll go in the washroom since i've gotta pee anyway
13:48:06 <steve30> I normally prefer chocolate-flavoured chocolate, but i like orange chocolate
13:48:31 <T3sl4> cats aren't supposed to have chocolate
13:48:38 <steve30> :o
13:48:41 <steve30> *hiss*
13:56:45 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/a/InHMuU5
13:56:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
13:57:37 <arch> DHess_US, some people like to eat cardboard, like myself and other reptilians
13:58:09 <DHess_US> We do call them "lizard people".
13:58:47 <T3sl4> what, you don't like your pizza with the skin on?
14:04:39 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/KPiTqMe.png
14:50:29 <arch> T3sl4, you around?
14:50:40 <T3sl4> you asquare?
14:51:29 <arch> :3
14:52:16 <arch> i just did a layout for a buck-boost, using a synchro buck. layout looks good? kept current loops as small as i could: https://i.imgur.com/KW4uN2r.png
14:52:41 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/mWWlzI1.png
14:53:01 <arch> goes like this: -Vout, GND, Vin on the bottom
14:53:49 <arch> approx 18mm x 18mm
14:54:29 <arch> sorry, 18mm x 21mm looks like. still, looks pretty neat to me
14:56:17 <Nothing\> hey i had a question going back to my question about whether there's an app note or chart or something that shows a general comparison of parallel EEPROM chips. I was wondering if any of you know of any such documentation for PIC MCUs. As a newb coming into the world of PICs I'm finding myself utterly overwhelmed with the number of different chips and options available to me
14:56:23 <Nothing\> even being somewhat familiar with MCUs
14:56:51 <T3sl4> yeah its fine
14:56:53 <Nothing\> actually i think what i need is just an app note that serves as a primer to embedded systems
14:57:22 <Nothing\> or some other primer, not necessarily an app note but they're the most accurate source of information i personally have at my disposal
14:57:32 <Nothing\> i would love to get my hands on some textbooks
14:57:40 <arch> :3
14:57:54 <T3sl4> Nothing\: look up old databooks, or peruse mfg product lines
14:58:00 <Nothing\> actually there's a book store for Wilfred Laurier University here. I should go check it out.
14:58:29 <Nothing\> T3sl4, I have got an old databook from Mitsubishi's 10000 line, which were their emitter coupled logic chips
14:58:37 <Nothing\> but that's a bit.. what's the word
14:58:39 <Nothing\> niche?
14:58:51 <T3sl4> well, old too
14:58:55 <T3sl4> oh, motorola
14:58:56 <Nothing\> yeah really lol
14:59:01 <Nothing\> motorola that's it
14:59:04 <Nothing\> not mitsubishi, my bad
14:59:13 <Nothing\> i'm sorry about that
14:59:15 <T3sl4> mitsu might've 2nd sourced them i have no idea lol
14:59:31 <Nothing\> nah it's just 2 japanese fabs that start with M
14:59:33 <Nothing\> lol
15:00:01 <Nothing\> (mitsubishi did/does make logic chips, right?)
15:00:12 <Nothing\> or am i just totally screwing up my memories now
15:00:37 <Nothing\> yeah, they made the SRAM chips in the NES
15:00:39 <Nothing\> the HM6116-
15:00:43 <Nothing\> 6116
15:00:52 <T3sl4> they're a huge conglomerate, they make everything
15:01:17 <Nothing\> yeah that too
15:01:23 <T3sl4> hitachi
15:01:33 <Nothing\> oh was that hitachi?
15:01:36 <Nothing\> DAMMIT
15:01:50 <T3sl4> anyway, PIC is microchip
15:01:57 <T3sl4> matter of fact so is Atmel now
15:02:14 <T3sl4> but everyone made eproms, TI, RCA, Intel, take your pick
15:02:28 <Nothing\> okay just disregard everything i say cuz clearly i have no idea wtf I'M EVEN ON ABOUT
15:02:31 <Nothing\> WEIRD
15:02:32 <Nothing\> weird
15:02:44 <Nothing\> i couldn't un-underline or un-bold that text
15:02:54 <Nothing\> actually, i tried using a bold character but it didn't show up on mine
15:03:28 <Nothing\> i hate using underlining or bold characters in hexchat anyways. MIRC always had them visible, but it's a guessing game where they are in hexchat.
15:03:31 <Nothing\> you've just gotta remember.
15:03:59 <Nothing\> though i guess it still shows the characters underlined in your editbar
15:04:38 <Nothing\> it's just weird that i could underline them, but no matter how many times i tried to insert a second underline character, it wouldn't stop underlining
15:04:57 <Nothing\> unless that was just in my edit bar and it would have stopped underlining in the chat buffer
15:05:31 <Nothing\> okay just disregard everything i say cuz clearly i have no idea wtf I'M EVEN ON ABOUT
15:05:36 <Nothing\> yeah there it goes
15:05:56 <Nothing\> (truth is i just figured out i was pressing the wrong button)
15:05:59 * Nothing\ blushes
15:16:52 <arch> shaved off an extra 3mm, so now the PCB is exactly 18mm^2
15:18:10 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/d7JLoe6.png and https://i.imgur.com/QFuI3If.png
15:18:20 <arch> i'll bug Kuchel when he's online tomorrow
15:18:25 <arch> he's making one
15:18:28 <arch> we can compare performance
15:21:21 <T3sl4> perform ants
15:22:23 * arch slaps T3sl4 with a fat manboob
15:22:55 <T3sl4> mmmm, moob
15:24:07 * arch drops a FatMan on T3sl4's house
15:24:27 * T3sl4 smokes a fat doob
15:24:42 <arch> gonna play some warzone2100 before sleep
15:27:55 <T3sl4> hf :P
16:25:11 <hsn> Why nice people always leave me alone when i dont want to talk about crypto ? 🥺🥺
16:25:11 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/MzjPHrJ
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17:02:10 <Halcyon> Does she think she is going to make millions?
17:28:57 <T3sl4> Halcyon: do you like merlot? just a merlittle
17:30:41 <Halcyon> Sure
17:51:17 <steve30> hi Halcyon
17:51:29 <steve30> Just got back from the gym. First time i've been to one in nearly 2 year
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18:37:20 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.redd.it/yvlap6o47d581.png
18:37:47 <steve30> mmm, food
18:37:53 <steve30> incidentally, i just put some food in the oven
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19:44:47 <K> hello doorhandles
19:44:47 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
19:54:29 <hsn> stark, nice cat .. so polite
19:54:48 <hsn> steve30, *** sorry
19:55:19 <hsn> T3sl4, ***** mhm
19:56:26 * T3sl4 meows at hsn
19:56:43 * hsn serves milk with serials
20:35:15 <T3sl4> when Nothing\ returns: https://i.imgur.com/ivpom6X.mp4
20:36:47 <K> haha
20:54:49 * steve30 snuggles up to T3sl4
20:55:50 <T3sl4> good thing i've been quarantining
21:06:17 * Halcyon joins steve30 and T3sl4
21:07:02 * T3sl4 snugs Halcyon
21:07:11 <steve30> i'm going to bed
21:07:14 * steve30 is sleepy
21:08:45 <Halcyon> I made Karaage T3sl4
21:09:02 <Halcyon> I've Signal/SMS you a photo but I can't
21:09:03 <T3sl4> gehsundheit
21:09:10 <Halcyon> *I'd
21:10:59 <K> dogshit?
21:12:14 <Halcyon> Japanese fried chicken
21:12:18 <Halcyon> https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/karaage/3f433b2e-7911-4513-9edb-095820d83ebc?r=quickeasy/mfQ7EL9o
21:13:24 <T3sl4> mmm, chicken thigh
21:13:32 <Halcyon> The other, other white meat
21:13:40 <T3sl4> dark white meat
21:13:45 <Halcyon> Tasty
21:14:08 <T3sl4> what, i thought the other-other one was "long pig"
21:14:28 <Halcyon> I think it's "baby"
21:14:30 <T3sl4> although that's actually pretty red as i recall, but that fact isn't so well known i think
21:14:49 <Halcyon> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3t68ft
21:14:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - THE OTHER OTHER WHITE MEAT ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER!!!!!!!! - Fat Bastard - quickmeme
21:15:28 <T3sl4> getinmahbelly.gif
21:16:00 <T3sl4> oh neat, so they want you to double fry t
21:16:01 <T3sl4> it
21:16:24 <Halcyon> By the way T3sl4, I will be trying this later this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbHKgzOrvgQ
21:16:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Is Chili Without Beans Good? (Texas Style Chili + Bonus Cornbread Recipe)
21:17:10 <T3sl4> "chili" doesn't really mean anything, "authentic" i guess means beans yes
21:17:30 <Halcyon> I like beans, but I also like the look of that
21:17:37 <Halcyon> It looks amazing
21:17:49 <T3sl4> stewmeat is good
21:19:24 <T3sl4> oh nice, cocoa
21:19:32 <Halcyon> Yeh it seems like a nice touch
21:19:41 <Halcyon> Never tried it myself
21:19:42 <T3sl4> goes towards a black mole flavor
21:20:40 <T3sl4> i disagree with his jalapeno opinion, as would you, but that's just a preference
21:20:56 <Halcyon> I'd give it a go. Any chilli is good
21:21:06 <Halcyon> I actually love Jalapeno as a general rule
21:21:10 <Halcyon> Especially with eggs
21:21:19 <T3sl4> nothing wrong with poblano of course, a bit more earthy than others
21:21:29 <Halcyon> I like the way he does the beef. It's a good tip
21:21:36 <T3sl4> mhmm
21:21:59 <K> cease the meat talk.
21:22:07 <T3sl4> nice to meat you K
21:22:32 <Halcyon> We aren't talking about penis K
21:22:53 <Halcyon> (For a change)
21:23:40 <Halcyon> That sauce looks super silky
21:23:58 <T3sl4> the puree will do that yeah
21:24:02 <Halcyon> YES! Chilli sauce!
21:24:23 <K> (looks with sizeable suspicion)
21:25:11 <Halcyon> I've never thought to do cornbread in a fry pan either
21:25:31 <T3sl4> i prefer a chunkier build basically coarse-ish onion, peppers, celery, tomatoes, and whatever meat or substitute i want
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21:25:53 * T3sl4 bangs Halcyon with cast iron
21:25:55 <Halcyon> I don't understand how your "cheddar" is bright orange thought
21:25:57 <Halcyon> *though
21:25:58 <T3sl4> it's traditional for corn bread :)
21:27:11 <T3sl4> the cornbread with or without cheese is fine, i would think jalapenos would be sweeter than poblano, and with all the butter you can put in fairly a lot before it's too spicy
21:27:33 <Halcyon> There is not such thing as too spicy (until the following day)
21:32:41 <K> :|
21:33:57 <Halcyon> How are you K?
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21:35:34 <Halcyon> I should go to bed soon
21:40:33 <K> i is ok
21:40:40 <K> last work day this yea
21:40:43 <K> year
21:40:52 <Halcyon> Lucky
21:40:57 <K> but i am swapmed with shit to do
21:41:09 <Halcyon> I'm working through. Although today was the last day of face masks here
21:41:14 <T3sl4> what do you do again K?
21:42:00 <K> shovel operator
21:42:10 <K> senior!
21:42:14 <T3sl4> heavy machinery?
21:42:56 <K> sometimes
21:45:40 <T3sl4> i can dig it
21:48:17 <Halcyon> I dig you T3sl4
21:50:25 <K> which one of you is the gold digger?
21:50:40 <Halcyon> I haven't panned for gold since I was a young kid
21:51:13 <T3sl4> well Halcyon is a regular howard carter
21:51:25 <Halcyon> Who?
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21:51:40 <T3sl4> discoverer of king tut
21:51:49 <Halcyon> Ah
22:10:26 <K> get tut-tutted
22:18:20 <Halcyon> I was going to
22:18:25 <Halcyon> But that would have been too obvious
22:18:31 <Halcyon> Anyway, bed time for me
22:19:13 <K> gn
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23:15:30 <electrohead> o/
23:18:34 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Sounds legit! What are the odds I'd be randomly chosen to get $1M! https://t.co/YaSkqxmY3z
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