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00:00:04 <Ampera> I am 5'8 and about 170lbs
00:00:14 <Ampera> so basically fat
00:00:24 <Ampera> and a midget
00:00:56 <Ampera> EEVBot conver 198 cm to in
00:00:56 <EEVBot> Ampera: nega-tory, ghost rider!
00:01:00 <Ampera> EEVBot convert 198 cm to in
00:01:00 <EEVBot> Ampera: The result is 77.952798 in
00:01:21 <Ampera> 6'5?
00:01:22 <Ampera> damn
00:01:50 <Ampera> that's pretty wide
00:02:01 <jaymacks> Wide load
00:02:16 <K> EEVBot: convert 93kg to lbs
00:02:17 <watcher> k is 6'5 tall
00:02:37 <K> EEVBot: convert 93 kg to pounds
00:02:38 <EEVBot> K: The result is 205.02965999999998 pounds
00:02:50 <Ampera> 205lbs is actually not bad for that height
00:03:11 <K> im big boned!
00:03:18 <Ampera> you're a big bone
00:03:46 <jaymacks> Nah K - I can attest to that being ideal weight despite the F'n BMI.
00:04:26 <jaymacks> I was sickly at 170lbs. I'm also 5'8.
00:04:59 <Ampera> I have a belly that's a bit larger than I'd prefer
00:05:04 <Ampera> and I look like stacked shit
00:05:04 <watcher> EEVbot convert 5'8 feet to cm
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00:05:21 <Ampera> fuck do I hate canadians
00:05:29 <Ampera> bunch of pricks
00:05:30 <watcher> EEVBot convert 5'8 f to cm
00:05:32 <Nothing\> i hate having a broken foot
00:05:33 <Nothing\> lol
00:05:34 <jaymacks> No doubt.
00:05:38 <Nothing\> i still haven't seen a doctor about this
00:05:41 <Ampera> stop breaking shit
00:05:53 <K> EEVBot: convert 5'8 f to cm
00:05:59 <Nothing\> i have no doubt at least my big toe's broken
00:06:05 <Ampera> you need to convert the feet to inches and then convert
00:06:07 <Ampera> 68"
00:06:08 <K> EEVBot: convert 5 feet to cm
00:06:09 <EEVBot> K: The result is 152.4 cm
00:06:11 <Nothing\> can't bend it to save my life and it's got some really weird bruises on it
00:06:13 <Ampera> eevbot convert 68 in to cm
00:06:14 <EEVBot> Ampera: The result is 172.72 cm
00:06:16 <K> EEVBot: convert 8 inches to cm
00:06:17 <EEVBot> K: The result is 20.32 cm
00:06:19 <Nothing\> and it's swelled up like a damn cherry
00:06:33 <jaymacks> Ampera: make good shit again so we canucks need not buy Chinese shit to break.
00:06:40 <Nothing\> plus when i hurt it, boy did it fucking hurt
00:06:57 <Nothing\> i was screaming and yelling and groaning for at least a half hour after
00:07:09 <jaymax> This jaymacks guy gets it.
00:07:33 <Nothing\> but yeah that was 3 days ago and i haven't been to the hospital. i just fucking hate hospitals
00:07:42 <Nothing\> they always make me feel like i don't belong there
00:07:59 <K> noone belongs in the hospital
00:08:05 <Nothing\> maybe it's the psychological abuse, gaslighting and passive aggression (from them, not me)
00:08:09 <jaymax> Nothing\ you have snow now right? Stick your foot in the snowbank.
00:08:16 <Nothing\> jaymax, yup
00:08:20 <Nothing\> lol i did
00:08:32 <Nothing\> i messed it up on my way to the dispensary
00:08:46 <Nothing\> so when i got there i had to hobble out in my sock cuz my shoe stopped fitting
00:08:52 <Ampera> every time I use Windows I keep trying to use the mouse clipboard and am always annoyed when it doesn't exist there
00:08:57 <Nothing\> almost had to cut the damn thing off my foot
00:09:11 <Nothing\> mouse clipboard?
00:09:20 <Nothing\> what's that like a clipboard for mouse movements/clicks?
00:09:25 <Nothing\> like a mini macro
00:09:28 <Nothing\> a micro macro
00:09:38 <Ampera> no, it's an XWS thing
00:09:41 <Nothing\> that'd actually be a nice feature
00:09:56 <Ampera> just another clipboard using mouse buttons
00:09:58 <Nothing\> have a button you press to start recording key press/mouse events
00:10:05 <Nothing\> then a button you press to stop
00:10:13 <Nothing\> and windows copies it into a sort of clipboard
00:10:14 <jaymax> Select-and-middle-click clipboard?
00:10:16 <Ampera> most machines that run X usually have two clipboards, the normal ctrl+c ctrl+v clipboard, and the mouse clipboard
00:10:19 <Ampera> jaymax, yeah
00:10:26 <Nothing\> where you can press another combo to replay the events
00:10:40 <Nothing\> huh
00:10:49 <Nothing\> so what? you middle click and it copies to your clipboard?
00:10:51 <Ampera> so I keep selecting text in my Windows VM, and then get confused for a moment when it doesn't appear with middle mouse
00:10:54 <Ampera> no
00:11:04 <Nothing\> i'm confused what this is
00:11:04 <Ampera> you select some text, and that text is automatically entered into a clipboard
00:11:09 <Nothing\> oh okay
00:11:12 <Nothing\> yeah mirc has that
00:11:12 <Ampera> then you middle click, and it's pasted elsewhere
00:11:18 <Ampera> all of X has that
00:11:18 <Nothing\> but not that
00:11:25 * electrohead films
00:11:26 <Nothing\> yeah i really liked that feature
00:11:31 <jaymax> I *want* to have a keyboard shortcut in lieu of the middle-click, since my primary pointing device is a two-button trackball.
00:11:36 <Nothing\> being able to just highlight something and BOOM it's in my clipboard
00:11:42 <Ampera> It also doesn't get copied into /the/ clipboard, it gets copied into /a/ clipboard
00:11:52 <Ampera> so you can then ctrl+c another value and have two different values in your clipboards
00:11:53 <Nothing\> you'd think that'd cause problems with accidentally highlighting stuff or accidentally erasing something important in your clipboard
00:12:05 <Ampera> you'd get the one from ctrl+c with a ctrl+v, and you'd get the one from a mouse select with middle click
00:12:07 <Nothing\> but let's face it, when have you ever copied anything to your clipboard that you needed for more than 5 minutes?
00:12:09 <Ampera> and they don't typically interfere
00:12:12 <jaymax> That's why thee's the separatin.
00:12:22 <Ampera> there's not though
00:12:33 <Nothing\> i dunno about you guys, but i don't even remember what's in my clipboard after 5 minutes
00:12:38 <Ampera> it's two different clipboards
00:12:42 <Nothing\> no shit?
00:12:46 * EEVBot slaps Ampera
00:12:46 <Nothing\> now that's really nifty
00:12:54 <Ampera> electrohead, you need to sit down and kiss me
00:12:55 <Nothing\> hey now there's an idea too
00:12:57 <Ampera> BITCH
00:12:58 <Ampera> <3
00:13:02 <Nothing\> what about having clipboard registers?
00:13:21 <Ampera> you really need to learn how to use a real operating system, Nothing\
00:13:25 <Nothing\> where you can like, ctrl+1 ctrl+2 etc to cycle through multiple clipboards
00:13:25 <electrohead> lmao
00:13:29 <Ampera> not this fisher price windows crap
00:13:40 <Nothing\> Ampera, it does what i need
00:13:52 <Nothing\> sure it lacks some nifty features, but that's all they are
00:13:54 <Nothing\> nifty features
00:14:06 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:14:13 <electrohead> Nothing\: you really need to just sit down, and use linux one day
00:14:15 <Nothing\> besides
00:14:18 <Nothing\> powerscript
00:14:18 <Ampera> ew linux
00:14:20 <Ampera> fuck linux
00:14:21 <Nothing\> electrohead, i did
00:14:23 <electrohead> or, maybe for a week straight
00:14:23 <Nothing\> for years
00:14:23 <Ampera> powershell is awful
00:14:31 <electrohead> oh?
00:14:39 <Nothing\> yeah, it didn't suit my needs
00:14:40 <Ampera> yeah he was daily driving a pi for ages
00:14:42 <Nothing\> Ampera, even on a pc
00:14:46 <Ampera> which is why he knows nothing since he was using a gimped version of it
00:14:49 <Nothing\> because i knew you were gonna mention the pi
00:14:59 <Nothing\> redhat 7 was not gimped
00:15:03 <Nothing\> it was state of the art at the time
00:15:10 <Ampera> hahaha
00:15:12 <Ampera> hahahahahaha
00:15:14 * Nothing\ sniffs
00:15:16 <Ampera> get this guy
00:15:18 <electrohead> o.O
00:15:28 <Ampera> redhat is an enterprise distribution
00:15:32 <Ampera> it most certainly is gimped
00:15:38 <electrohead> it's come a long way since then, too
00:15:42 <Ampera> aye
00:15:42 <electrohead> err, linux is general
00:15:46 <Nothing\> well that's why i said
00:15:48 <Nothing\> at the time
00:16:01 <Ampera> it wasn't really state of the art at the time
00:16:03 <Nothing\> obviously a 20 year old OS isn't going to stand up very well to a modern one
00:16:07 <electrohead> this is like, saying computers suck, because the last computer I touched was a PDP-11
00:16:15 <Ampera> the point of RHEL is to be a highly stable distribution for businesses
00:16:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, well that was just obvious hyperbole =)
00:16:38 <Ampera> I think their releases are longer lived than debian stable
00:17:00 <Nothing\> oh dude
00:17:32 <Nothing\> i set up these fairy lights in my room, about 300 of them strung along the entire edge of the ceiling going around my entire room
00:17:37 <Nothing\> it looked pretty cool, at first
00:17:44 <Nothing\> then i realized there weren't any shadows anymore
00:17:45 <Nothing\> anywhere
00:17:58 <Nothing\> it really started to freak me out after a while, the constant red light and no shadows
00:18:27 <Nothing\> it reminded me of this episode of locked up abroad where this guy was "hired" as a body double for saddam hussein
00:19:18 <Nothing\> and to convince him to do it, they locked him in a 3x3x6 foot room with red lights all in it so there were no shadows anywhere and kept him in there for a few days
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00:36:23 <hsn> Im living the nightmare ..
00:36:48 <hsn> stack overflow and i didnt implement all features planned ..
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00:37:34 <K> a good spanking is in order then, hsn
00:38:22 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/qTjQpZ.jpg
00:38:48 <Ampera> hahaha
00:38:51 <Ampera> did you make that?
00:39:22 <hsn> yes
00:39:24 <hsn> no
00:39:25 <hsn> wait
00:39:31 <hsn> part of it yes
00:39:36 <Ampera> I love it regardless
00:39:39 <Ampera> what's it written in
00:39:45 <Ampera> looks like Visual Basic or Visual C#
00:39:48 <hsn> the GUI or the controler ?
00:39:50 <hsn> c#
00:39:56 <Ampera> GUI is obviously winforms
00:40:13 <Ampera> WinForms is a beautifully disgusting toolkit.
00:40:32 <Ampera> It's not great unless you know your software will never have to leave Windows, but my god you can abuse it like mad
00:40:37 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/zs6gEB.jpg
00:41:19 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/710930508980289617/Emulator.PNG
00:41:21 <Ampera> I've made this
00:41:26 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/l30vrc.jpg
00:41:35 <Ampera> ooooh, nice graph
00:41:38 <hsn> Ampera, looks legit
00:41:43 <Ampera> is that graph GDI?
00:41:58 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/704389561366609970/Capture22.PNG
00:42:04 <hsn> its from library called oxyplot
00:42:08 <Ampera> I think this was an old in development picture of the map I wrote
00:42:17 <hsn> OxyPlot is a cross-platform plotting library for . NET. The code is licensed under the MIT license.
00:42:18 <Ampera> I wrote all my own map code, projection, translation, zoom, mouse control, everything
00:42:33 <hsn> nooice
00:42:49 <hsn> what is it written on ?
00:43:01 <Ampera> It's System.Drawing.Graphics
00:43:13 <Ampera> The rest of it is Visual C#, it's a GPS emulator
00:43:25 <Ampera> takes routing data and runs a vehicle across it, hitting different waypoints
00:43:45 <Ampera> Was the first real piece of software I ever wrote.
00:43:46 <hsn> seems pretty complicated for me
00:44:05 <Ampera> meh
00:44:13 <Ampera> the complicated part was the geodesic math
00:44:31 <Ampera> but I mostly just had to look up the functions for that, it's like 2D trig, but on a sphere
00:44:42 <Ampera> once you abstract it into functions it writes just like 2D trig
00:45:14 <Ampera> beyond that it's a simple interpolation engine that calculates all points before executing at intervals as granular as a second.
00:45:35 <Ampera> I wrote this last year for my job. I'm working on a new version using GtkSharp that'll be much improved.
00:45:48 <electrohead> TUI or bust.
00:47:48 <hsn> Ampera, i barely understand normal 2d math .. i dont want to think there is somthing else exist :)
00:48:02 <hsn> im 2d creature i dont understand 3rd dimension
00:48:23 <Ampera> It's not really 3D math
00:48:29 <Ampera> it's the surface of a sphere
00:48:46 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/918499392057663558/Screenshot_432.png
00:48:52 <Ampera> This is the current state of the new UI
00:48:59 <hsn> Ampera, sphere ? what ?
00:49:35 <Ampera> This UI is GtkSharp. This is still .NET (was .NET5, I just compiled it as .NET6 and it seems to work fine), but it's now cross platform
00:49:40 <hsn> i love that is has a BAT
00:50:05 <Ampera> so the UI compiles to Windows/Linux/MacOS
00:50:13 <hsn> what does the BAT do .. u can hit some one with it ?
00:50:17 <Ampera> BAT?
00:50:31 <hsn> last button on the navigation buttons ?
00:50:53 <hsn> near the speedometer ?
00:50:55 <Ampera> that's supposed to be a screwdriver
00:51:20 <hsn> in 2d world we call this a BAT
00:51:46 <Ampera> That's currently nonfunctional, as is most of the map view (I ported my GDI functions to Cairo and that's about it)
00:51:53 <Ampera> When finished it will be to tweak the appearance of the map
00:52:39 <hsn> can u make a button that convert the map to desco lights ?
00:52:49 <hsn> squares to be colored
00:53:11 <K> and make it do a little funny dance
00:53:18 <Nothing\> wtf
00:53:26 <Nothing\> i got my EEPROM Reader
00:53:46 <Nothing\> and on top of the $25 shipping, UPS wants me to give them another $22 COD for import fees
00:53:51 <Nothing\> even though they left the parcel
00:53:53 <Ampera> lol
00:54:06 <Nothing\> which makes no sense, if it's COD you'd think they would keep the parcel until they got their money
00:54:16 <K> they trust you
00:54:16 <Nothing\> but they just left an invoice saying "hey give us this money"
00:54:20 <Nothing\> yeah not fucking likely
00:54:39 <Nothing\> if the cable company didn't get $1200 out of me, ups ain't gettin no $20
00:54:58 <Nothing\> didn't even pay my $45 bill for the ambo
00:55:21 <Nothing\> which makes me wonder, what do they do if you don't pay your ambulance bill? deny you service next time?
00:55:24 <Nothing\> lol
00:55:39 <Nothing\> not that it matters, statute of limitations being 2 years here and all
00:55:42 <hsn> Nothing\, u have lambo ?
00:55:47 <Ampera> 45 dollar ambulance bill?
00:55:47 <Ampera> lol
00:55:49 <Nothing\> no, ambo
00:55:52 <Nothing\> not lambo
00:55:53 <hsn> :D
00:55:53 <Nothing\> lol
00:55:56 <Nothing\> BIG difference
00:56:03 <Nothing\> lambo will get you in an ambo
00:56:11 <hsn> in 2d world the difference is just L
00:56:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, ridiculous i know, right?
00:56:27 <Nothing\> buncha fuckin savages
00:56:34 <Nothing\> omg that reminds me
00:56:41 <Nothing\> i made a huge faux pas the other day
00:56:52 <Ampera> no I say lol because that's cheap
00:56:54 <Ampera> like insanely cheap
00:57:03 <Ampera> you're lucky if you get a 450 dollar ambulance bill here
00:57:03 <Nothing\> lol yeah i know i was messing with you
00:57:14 <Nothing\> that's one of the few things we have to pay for for some reason
00:57:32 <Nothing\> but even then i suspect at $45 it's uhh
00:57:36 <Ampera> I mean, at least you get taken to an actual hospital where the wait times aren't longer than the line for the soup kitchen
00:57:38 <Nothing\> shit the word just escaped me
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00:57:46 <Nothing\> supplemented
00:57:55 <Nothing\> and severely at that
00:58:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol the opposite's true here
00:58:21 <Nothing\> wait times at the local hospital are several hours at least
00:58:33 <hsn> wait so if u fall on street .. and some ambulance came to take u hospital .. they charge u ?
00:58:38 <Nothing\> when i hurt my foot, i checked the wait time and it was 5 hours
00:58:43 <Nothing\> hence i didn't seek medical attention
00:59:05 <Nothing\> alternatively i can go to the ER out of town in this tiny community where the wait would be like 30 minutes
00:59:18 <Nothing\> but they haven't got any resources there in case i need orthopedic surgery or something
00:59:27 <Nothing\> which if i buggered a tendon, i probably will
00:59:43 <Nothing\> i'm hoping it's just a clean break
01:00:15 <Nothing\> i was thinking though like if you shattered your toe bone into like 20 pieces, what wuold they do?
01:00:33 <Nothing\> like would they amputate it? or would they bother with pins and plates and all that to put it back together?
01:00:43 <Nothing\> frankly i'd just say cut the thing off and give me a prosthetic
01:00:59 <Nothing\> i know losing your big toe severely affects your ability to walk, but i'm sure it's not as bad with a prosthetic
01:01:20 <Nothing\> i mean even with my injury i can only walk on the side of my foot, which is getting really sore
01:01:21 <K> i do not think you can shatter toe bone into 20 pieces
01:01:43 <Nothing\> K, if you dropped a 2 ton steel plate on it you would
01:01:51 <K> the the finger is no more
01:02:09 <K> it would have ceased to exist
01:03:08 <Nothing\> WTF
01:03:13 <Nothing\> no wonder ups wants money for this
01:03:23 <Nothing\> the tarriffs on it were fucking $65
01:03:28 <Nothing\> that's more than the damn thing cost
01:03:50 <Nothing\> but then, wtf did i pay the extra $25 in shipping for initially?
01:04:00 * electrohead pays $25 for Nothing\
01:04:06 <Nothing\> i don't get why they charge me for shipping, knowing where it's coming from and where it's going
01:04:18 <Nothing\> then say "oh yeah we had to pay import fees so you owe us money now"
01:04:30 <Nothing\> you don't think that's something they'd be able to figure out BEFORE shipping it
01:05:01 <Nothing\> and considering this came from jameco, that pisses me off that they imported because jameco has a fuckin distributer no more than an hour from here
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01:05:17 <Nothing\> why import it from fuckin california
01:05:31 <Nothing\> seems kinda shifty to me
01:05:42 <Ysjoelfir> because fucking fuck fuck.
01:06:03 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, indeed, fucking makes everything better
01:06:05 <Nothing\> lol
01:06:30 <Ysjoelfir> I know, which is why I am going to fuck from friday evening till monday night, and a bit more on monday evening and tuesday evening.
01:07:03 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, actually it's funny i was lamenting to my mum the other day that i need to expand my vocabulary of severe curse words. Since I no longer blaspheme it really cuts down on my choices
01:07:32 <Nothing\> it's funny when i get pissy cuz every other word out of my mouth is fuck this and fuck that
01:07:35 <Ysjoelfir> why not? spreading blasphemous rumours is nice
01:08:11 <hsn> blasphemous yes
01:08:13 * electrohead pokes Ysjoelfir and runs
01:08:17 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, because i'm close with God. Not a christian, but it's my way of showing Him respect.
01:08:28 <K> fuckin is fine, though?
01:08:32 <Nothing\> oh yeah
01:08:35 <hsn> Nothing\, so u believe in god ?
01:08:40 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok. how is he so, as a person?
01:08:45 <Nothing\> hsn: i believe in A god, yup
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01:08:51 <Nothing\> but not the one of scripture
01:08:54 <hsn> Nothing\, why u do ?
01:09:13 <Nothing\> hrm
01:09:27 <Nothing\> a series of spritual experiences and epiphanies...
01:09:42 <Nothing\> some other circumstances which really can't be appreciated by anyone objectively
01:09:53 <hsn> do u choose to believe? like 100% exist ? or its .. hmm maybe he does exist maybe he doesnt exist but let me choose to believe ?
01:10:04 * electrohead points at another fairy tale
01:10:33 <Nothing\> that's why i'm not preachy about it or anything. it's such a deeply personal and subjective experience, even if i wrote a whole book detailing it. It would come off to other people about the same as if I came in here and started telling you guys about a significant feeling dream i had.
01:10:51 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir
01:10:58 <Nothing\> you know, it's like it feels significant to me because of my own subjective experiences with it, but to you guys it's just words.
01:10:59 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfirend?
01:11:03 <Nothing\> for lack of a better analogy
01:12:05 <Nothing\> hsn: actually i was a staunch atheist up until about 3 years ago. I'd been questioning it for years before that and was on the fence, but then little by little with each experience and epiphany, i started to open up more to the idea
01:12:22 <Nothing\> it wasn't like i woke up and suddenly believed in god
01:12:38 <Ampera> I am a staunch autotheist
01:12:40 <Nothing\> actually even when i believed in god, i never really accepted Him at first either. Frankly i found the idea terrifying.
01:13:02 <Ampera> autotheism, solipsism, and last thursdayism
01:13:36 <Nothing\> it clashed with my ego, which brought up all sorts of unpleasant emotions. But moreso, I felt like if I accepted God and believed in him or opened myself up to Him, whatever you wanna call it, that I'd be opening a pandora's box of mental illness and I'd just lose my mind over time.
01:13:48 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've tried solipsism, it goes nowhere
01:13:55 <Ampera> it's an excellent belief
01:14:00 <Ampera> but I wouldn't expect you to understand
01:14:01 <Nothing\> it's a terrible belief
01:14:02 <Ampera> you don't really exist
01:14:18 <Nothing\> at least philosophically
01:14:31 <Nothing\> because there's just no way to argue against it
01:14:41 <Nothing\> there's no way to prove or disprove it
01:14:47 <Nothing\> well
01:14:53 <Nothing\> i kinda just bit my tongue there didn't i
01:14:57 <hsn> Ampera, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Solipsismo.jpg/200px-Solipsismo.jpg
01:14:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wikimedia Error
01:15:04 <Nothing\> i mean that's the whole thing with every religion
01:15:08 <Nothing\> is that you can't prove it
01:15:14 <Nothing\> if you could, it would be science
01:15:22 <Ampera> I can prove it
01:15:25 <Ampera> I know I exist
01:15:30 <Ampera> and I am the only one who does eixst
01:15:31 <Nothing\> i don't
01:15:34 <Ampera> so that means I have proven it to everyone
01:15:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, you don't even know that you exist
01:15:50 <Nothing\> well, you know you exist at this moment
01:15:52 <Ampera> I know I exist, because I am god
01:15:53 <hsn> Ampera, we are minds inside your mind ?
01:15:54 <Ampera> and I created myself
01:15:56 <Nothing\> but you don't even know that your memories are real
01:16:04 <Ampera> hsn, more like nightmares
01:16:11 <Ampera> my memories aren't real
01:16:15 <hsn> your nightmares dont agree with u
01:16:16 <Ampera> I created the entire universe last thursday
01:16:23 <Ampera> no memories before last thursday exist
01:16:24 <Nothing\> for all you know your memories are all false and you've only just come into existence at this very instant in time and those memories are just to give the illusion of the past having happened
01:16:34 <Ampera> and at the strike of midnight, the same will happen
01:16:42 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera
01:16:47 <Ampera> <3
01:16:49 <Ampera> my favorite german
01:17:03 <Nothing\> what about kus... kus.... you know
01:17:05 <Nothing\> that guy
01:17:09 <Nothing\> always wears a shirt
01:17:13 <Ysjoelfir> couscous?
01:17:23 <Nothing\> easy there cowboy
01:17:30 <Nothing\> them's fightin words in these parts
01:17:53 <Nothing\> but damn, now i'm hungry for small mammals
01:18:09 * Nothing\ looks at the squirrel tracks outside
01:18:51 <Nothing\> lol i remember one winter when i was still smoking, being out back having a smoke and watching a squirrel run across the top of a fence with freshly fallen snow on it
01:19:15 <Nothing\> i always imagined that a wave of light would look like a squirrel running really really fast
01:19:48 <Nothing\> so i got to thinking about that and saw the tracks in the snow where he was running, so i got up and measured the wavelength of a running squirrel
01:20:05 <Nothing\> was like 40something cm
01:20:43 <Nothing\> was hard to measure though
01:21:14 <Nothing\> man i'm hungry, and all i have is marzipan
01:21:37 <Nothing\> and i just ate a block of marzipan for supper before bed last night
01:22:15 <K> not afraid to to clog the porcalain eh
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01:47:24 <Nothing\> K hahaha not at all
01:48:21 <Nothing\> K: dude back when i was on painkillers, they had me really blocked up. The one time i sat down and filled the toilet literally 4 or 5 times. But it got clogged after the 2nd time and it just would not unclog to save its life.
01:48:59 <Nothing\> spending 20 minutes elbow deep in the toilet, nude, covered in shit water, shit water all over my bathroom from the toilet backing up, and here i've still gotta crap like you wouldn't believe
01:49:15 <Nothing\> i finally got the thing unclogged and all i could do was get back on and clog it again lol
01:49:48 <Nothing\> i've since learned that if i have a huge bowel movement like that, to pour a whole bunch of hand soap into the toilet to lubricate everything and help it get down
01:50:09 <Nothing\> it seems to work well for clearing out clogs in general too, but you have to let it sit to penetrate the clog
01:50:32 <Nothing\> hot water, as close to boiling as possible, and as much soap as possible
01:50:47 <Nothing\> though the hot water makes the stink worse, so you've gotta watch that
01:51:25 <K> i would consider going to shit somewhere in the woods then
01:51:32 <Nothing\> lol i found that out the hard way when i got the bright idea to fill my toilet with hot water before i took a crap once. I figured the steam coming up would feel nice on my bum
01:51:40 <Nothing\> but instead the steam just carried the shit smell up to my face
01:51:50 <K> ufff
01:51:56 <Nothing\> K haha i almost wish i could have
01:52:07 <Nothing\> just go into a corner in my backyard and let loose
01:52:13 <K> dig a hole
01:52:16 <Nothing\> but my neighbours woulda seen me, they were real nosy
01:52:29 <Nothing\> K i had some barrels of water my landlord didn't tend to much
01:52:33 <K> haha
01:52:45 <Nothing\> a groundhog or something fell into one and spent the summer in there
01:52:55 <K> "oh dear lord look how the darn pidgeons have soiled them poor barrels!"
01:53:01 <Nothing\> then the next year my landlord decides to dump the barrels out and gets me to help him
01:53:13 <Nothing\> fucking idiot wound up pouring the dead groundhog all over my legs
01:53:23 <K> eew
01:53:31 <Nothing\> oh i know
01:53:50 <Nothing\> i'm not prejudiced or anything, but him and his exwife and sons really made me dislike polish people a lot
01:54:02 <Nothing\> at least polish people who were born and raised in poland
01:54:12 <Nothing\> one of my best friends was polish and he was great
01:54:30 <Nothing\> but i dunno what it was about these people, they weer just so nosy and rude and selfish
01:54:48 <Nothing\> like his ex asked me to go to the store and get her a lottery ticket the one time
01:55:04 <Nothing\> i'm like "uh i'm not your personal servant, get it yourself"
01:55:15 <Nothing\> and after a lot of bitching i finally relent
01:55:28 <Nothing\> it's just a 5 minute walk anyways
01:55:39 <Nothing\> so i come back, and all she can say is how i bought the wrong ticket
01:55:59 <Nothing\> i just gave her the most sarcastic "you're welcome" i could muster and walked away
01:56:06 <Nothing\> but that's the sorta people they were
01:56:26 <Nothing\> like my landlord wanted me to cut the grass on his half acre property for $10 a monht
01:56:31 <Nothing\> what am i a fucking kid?
01:56:35 <Nothing\> $10 isn't shit
01:56:47 <Nothing\> i wouldn't even do it for $10 a mow, never mind per month
01:57:39 <Nothing\> man that place was a lot more stressful than i realized, looking back on it
01:58:17 <Nothing\> no wonder that's when my painkiller addiction really went downhill
01:58:36 <Nothing\> well, that and living 2 blocks from my ex didn't help
01:58:38 <K> that lottery ticket business sounds weird af
01:58:48 <Nothing\> K that's poles for you
01:58:50 <Nothing\> very weird
01:58:56 <Nothing\> and i'm not even joking
01:59:04 <Nothing\> like they just do things sometimes that make no sense
01:59:50 <Nothing\> for instance, the one time my brother's wife and i decide to do some yard work cuz there's a nice big yard and we wanted to enjoy it. So we cleared this friggin 8 foot tall thistle bush out of the one corner. Took us all afternoon.
02:00:01 <Nothing\> and his ex comes over a few days later bitching that we cut down her tree
02:00:04 <Nothing\> lol
02:00:16 <Nothing\> we're trying to explain to her it was a fucking weed but she wasn't getting it
02:00:30 <Nothing\> even when we literally translated it into polish for her
02:00:34 <Nothing\> she still didn't understand
02:00:56 <Nothing\> i guess she thought thistles were plants people like to have in their backyard when they have 5 year old girls?
02:01:25 <Nothing\> I dunno about you, but i remember more than once stepping on a thistle as a kid and it sucked
02:01:56 <Nothing\> stepped on a piece of cactus once too when i was a toddler. I'll never forget sitting on my mom's lap while my grandfather pulled the barbs out with pliers
02:02:43 <Nothing\> still, i'll never forget this one reality show i saw where this little girl fell into a bunch of cactuses and was covered literally head to toe in spines
02:02:50 <Nothing\> it was so fucked up
02:03:33 <Nothing\> and it wasn't even like they were all big ones either. Some were big, some were almost like hairs. So they couldn't even pull them out one by one. They wound up using tape to just pull bunches out at a time
02:05:14 <K> eew, those are not nice
02:10:32 <Nothing\> at least it's the worst we've got here. No scorpions or natural cactuses or dangerous spiders or snakes
02:10:51 <Nothing\> we only have one species of venomous snake in the area, and even that's exceedingly rare
02:11:15 <K> about the same here
02:25:55 <Nothing\> holy shit
02:26:09 <Nothing\> i just read that ebola's been responsible for the deaths of 1/3 of all apes/chimps since 1990
02:26:12 <Nothing\> that's fucked up
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02:36:24 <Nothing\> yay
02:36:35 <Nothing\> i'm happy i got my eeprom programmer
02:36:36 <electrohead> nein.
02:36:42 <electrohead> which one did you get?
02:36:47 <Nothing\> i wanna try it out but i don't wanna fuck around with drivers
02:36:49 <Nothing\> the uh
02:36:54 <electrohead> TL866?
02:37:03 <electrohead> or, different? that's one of the more popular ones
02:37:06 <Nothing\> TL866
02:37:08 <Nothing\> yeah
02:37:14 <Nothing\> i mean
02:37:16 <electrohead> nice, what model?
02:37:18 <Nothing\> the sticker says tl866
02:37:40 <Nothing\> but the imprint on the case says "XGecu Pro"
02:37:46 <Nothing\> so i'm guessing it's a ripoff
02:37:50 <Nothing\> a very expensive ripoff
02:37:54 <hsn> me currently striping array sizes everywhere .. https://snipboard.io/L8Si2A.jpg
02:38:04 <Nothing\> if i'd have known how much it was going to come to, i would have just bought one on aliexpress
02:38:08 <hsn> bytes bytes bytes
02:38:10 <Nothing\> but i boughti t from ben eater's website
02:38:14 <Nothing\> cuz i like the guy
02:38:23 <Nothing\> but i mean for a $60USD thing
02:38:37 <Nothing\> after exchange, shipping, tarriffs, and taxes
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02:38:41 <Nothing\> it was over $150
02:38:46 <Nothing\> CAD
02:39:05 <Nothing\> where i probably coulda got one from aliexpress for $20
02:39:13 <Nothing\> and got the exact same thing, just several weeks later
02:39:21 <Nothing\> actuallyprobably a lot later come to think of it
02:39:33 <Nothing\> i don't think anything's gonna be getting here from the west coast any time soon
02:39:49 <Nothing\> i just remembered on top of the already existing shipping delays due to covid
02:40:21 <Nothing\> practically every major highway in and around vancouver's been washed out and had major bridges destroyed by landslides from heavy rains
02:40:32 <Nothing\> and that's where everything from china comes into canada
02:40:45 <Nothing\> so if goods can't leave the island, they can't be shipped
02:41:19 <Nothing\> it's so fucked up, and this is just after they had all sorts of wildfires there in the summer, like they get in california
02:42:05 <Nothing\> actually we had some nasty wildfires in northern ontario. It was messed up, it was about 1500km from me (ontario's bigger than you think) but it was still enough smoke to change the color of the sunsets here for several weeks
02:42:14 <Nothing\> we had some gorgeous ones, i tell you
02:42:41 <Nothing\> but during the day you could see the smog and soot and crap hanging in the air, even though the fires were so far away
02:42:59 <Nothing\> i guess it's smog
02:43:33 <Nothing\> so electrohead, have you got a TL866 yourself?
02:44:31 <Nothing\> i'm wondering if i can use it to program ATTiny chips, and/or 8051/52s
02:44:50 <Nothing\> that's been my holy grail, to get an 8051/52 analog and get it up and running
02:45:02 <Nothing\> or get my attiny... i think it's an 8 running
02:45:13 <Nothing\> just an DIP 8 package
02:46:10 <Nothing\> i got this amazing 8051/52 simulator for raspbian a couple of yeras ago and absolutely fell in love with it the second i saw the GUI
02:46:24 <Nothing\> which is probably one of the most amazingly detailed GUIs i've ever seen
02:46:35 <Nothing\> amazingly detailed, yet intuitive and self explanatory
02:47:33 <Nothing\> oh nice, actually getting the software for this thing is a lot easier than i expected
02:47:42 <electrohead> I think I have two of them?
02:47:47 <electrohead> at least one, lol
02:47:55 <Nothing\> here i was expecting an easter egg hunt like it seemed when i was looking for CH341 drivers
02:48:12 <Nothing\> electrohead, do you know if they do either of the chips i mentioned?
02:48:35 <Nothing\> i never did find a complete list of chips it does, though i'm gonna assume that'd be in the datasheet in this download package i'm getting
02:49:32 <Nothing\> i'm so excited though, being able to program my eeprom chips was the one thing that was holding me back from making any sort of a computer or computer type device, because i just couldn't load any instructions into it
02:49:47 <electrohead> https://github.com/radiomanV/TL866
02:49:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - radiomanV/TL866: Open source software for TL866
02:49:53 <Nothing\> the only way i could was to use an SRAM module where i had a DIP switch connected to the data pins
02:50:01 <electrohead> have a look there, I'm in the middle of work, sorry
02:50:08 <Nothing\> and i'd encode it one byte at a time by toggling the switches, altair style
02:50:11 <Nothing\> or PDP style
02:50:22 <Nothing\> electrohead, thanks man. Sorry to disturb your work, m8.
02:50:28 <electrohead> oh you're good, lol
02:50:30 <Nothing\> i'll leave ya to it
02:51:00 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/GdQQg7lRyZ4?feature=share
02:55:49 <K> wat dat
02:59:10 <Nothing\> hey guys, i had a question out of curiosity
02:59:30 <Nothing\> what, if any, is the advantage of using metal film resistors to carbon resistors?
02:59:51 <Nothing\> i've always heard metal film is better, but I don't recall why. If I had to guess I'd say less inductance?
03:00:29 <Nothing\> i'm not sure of the geometry of a metal film resistor vs carbon, but i know one has a coiled sort of configuration, hasn't it?
03:01:50 <Nothing\> oh ffs
03:02:15 <Nothing\> just getting viruses off of these chinese sites trying to feel my way around the chinese that google won't translate for some reason looking for a legit download link lol
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03:03:00 <Nothing\> wait a minute, this all looks up to snuff
03:03:30 <Nothing\> hey coppice, what do you know about the TL866?
03:04:02 <Nothing\> having a bit of a dilemma here trying to get drivers for it. It seems legit, but chrome seems to disagree
03:04:15 <Nothing\> maybe because it includes a hex editor?
03:05:08 <Nothing\> actually all chrome says is "XgproV1170_Setup.rar is not commonly downloaded and may be dangerous."
03:05:24 <arch> any of ya good with overclocking AMD bulldozer CPUs?
03:05:26 <Nothing\> if they're telling me it's dangerous just based on the fact that not many people download it, that seems a bit too... what's the word?
03:06:00 <Nothing\> arch, jam a pencil led into one of the little notches to short it out and unlock the multiplier!
03:06:04 <Nothing\> lol jk
03:06:14 <Nothing\> i just remember that trick from, i think it was Athlon IIs
03:07:13 <Nothing\> the multiplier was locked by default so to disable the lock, so people would just break off a pencil lead in it to jumper it lol
03:07:23 <Nothing\> dunno why a glob of solder wouldn't work, but oh well
03:07:42 <Nothing\> or a popped capacitor. I hear once your caps pop, they turn into jumpers
03:07:49 <K> carbon ones have less noise and drift less
03:08:13 <K> and can be made to better toleranes iirc
03:08:27 <Nothing\> hrm interesting
03:08:55 <Nothing\> though noise isn't a huge concern for me, i mean i use breadboards
03:09:10 <Nothing\> the only noise that really poses a problem is from the mains
03:09:28 <K> no that is self-noise
03:09:33 <K> (for carbons)
03:09:33 <Nothing\> you know i've measured the mains noise my body picks up and it's even up to 700mvpp
03:09:46 <K> prolly not a concern on a breadboard
03:09:54 <Nothing\> yeah
03:10:07 <Nothing\> only problem i ever had with noise was using an advanced cmos schmitt trigger
03:10:26 <electrohead> Nothing\: for the drivers and software, this is where linux would be handy; I've never used it with windows
03:10:29 <Nothing\> the thing was so damn touchy
03:10:33 <coppice> Nothing\: its common for checking tools to complain about legit development tools. I guess the market is too small for them to be specifically recognised by the checkers. I don't know which is the correct file for the TL866A, but the TL866A is available from many sources, so surely there should be a few places where you can download the software
03:11:19 <Nothing\> electrohead, oh there are drivers for windows. It was supposed to come with a disc. Not that that would help since i have no optical drive but i at least coulda jerry rigged one externally, or hanging out the side of my computer just for the purpose of installing the drivers
03:11:55 <Nothing\> coppice, well the site seems legit, the file name sounds legit, and it's just a rar, so what have i got to lose by at least perusing the contents
03:12:04 <electrohead> there are definitely drivers you can download, just look at the device information/details in .. device manager? not sure the actual name in windows
03:12:16 <Nothing\> or maybe i should double check and see if there's a reddit post about it or something
03:12:23 <Nothing\> see if the link i'm using matches what they suggest
03:12:46 <Nothing\> electrohead, yeah but then don't i need the gui or whatever
03:12:59 <Nothing\> i just remember the screen shot looked like a hex editor
03:13:11 <electrohead> you totally don't need a GUI for the TL866
03:13:12 <Nothing\> well i guess i don't NEED the gui
03:13:15 <electrohead> I've never used a GUI, ever
03:13:15 <Nothing\> but it would make it easier
03:13:21 <Nothing\> hrm
03:13:30 <electrohead> you should really have a linux machine handy, for shit like this lol
03:13:36 <Nothing\> oh well, i'lltake my chances
03:13:44 <Nothing\> electrohead, again they're useless for my needs
03:13:53 <Nothing\> this is a one off
03:14:05 <Nothing\> besides, software exists for windows just fine for these
03:14:16 <Nothing\> it's just because the site's chinese
03:14:23 <Nothing\> and google won't translate it for some reason
03:14:38 <Nothing\> so i'm clicking random shit hoping it's what i'm looking for
03:15:03 <Nothing\> but that's just because the manufacturer is chinese, it's not down to the quality of the software at all
03:15:31 <Nothing\> XGecu appears to be the company that makes it
03:18:03 <Nothing\> okay i took a chance and opened the strange .exe
03:18:06 <Nothing\> it's legit
03:18:13 * Nothing\ wipes the nervous sweat off of his brow
03:18:26 <coppice> I think there is more than one maker of clones of that device. Some have a slightly different plastic case
03:18:26 <Nothing\> feel like i've just been defusing a bomb trying to decide if this is legit or not
03:18:43 <Nothing\> coppice, i got this right from jameco through Ben Eater
03:18:53 <Nothing\> who is actually a very nice guy
03:19:24 <coppice> dunno. his name implies he's a cannibal
03:19:38 <Nothing\> i had some trouble getting any information about the order. For some reason it just wasn't going into my inbox or spam or anything in my email. So he kept me apprised of what was happening in my order while it was shipping.
03:19:44 <Nothing\> appraised? apprised?
03:19:46 <Nothing\> apprised
03:19:55 <Nothing\> coppice, lol yeah like he eats people named ben
03:20:10 <Nothing\> "you better watch out, or the ben eater will get you!"
03:20:32 <Nothing\> seriously though, his videos are amazing
03:21:20 <coppice> ben is a common enough name to avoid famine issues
03:21:22 <Nothing\> one of my big long term goals has always been to design and/or build a computer from scratch using discreet parts, a la a breadboard computer. Ever since the first time i played with logisim like 10 years ago.
03:22:05 <Nothing\> And his videos have been a huge help in me realizing that dream. They've helped me learn to at least build the various modules you need like registers, an ALU module, RAM modules, ROM, even a video card
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03:22:21 <Nothing\> although he admits it's the worst video card in the world, but it's still a cool project
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03:23:04 <Nothing\> but i mean i never woulda been able to make stuff like that on my own. Or at least not as quickly as watching his videos
03:23:19 <Nothing\> you just watch an hour long video and BOOM you know the fundamentals of how bus transfers work
03:23:49 <Nothing\> as opposed to dicking around with like, linus tech tips and other such channels that only provide the illusion of being educational
03:24:15 <coppice> Of course, Ben Eater is not his full name. That would be Ben Eater Mussolini
03:24:15 <Nothing\> or even worse, those channels that are like "LEARN C++ IN 5 MINUTES!"
03:25:22 <Nothing\> whenever i see those general words "learn X in n minutes" that tells me "we cut corners so the idiots who can't pay attention to anything without flashy graphics and some moron yelling at them constantly will watch our videos too!"
03:25:51 <coppice> "Learn to tell the time in 5 minutes"
03:26:07 <Nothing\> coppice, some people genuinely can't tell time on an analog clock
03:26:22 <Nothing\> i don't even think they teach it in school anymore. I should have thought to ask my daughter when she was that age
03:26:23 <K> a video 'learn to not watch videos "learn X in n minutes"' would be nice
03:26:34 <Nothing\> which btw coppice. you know my daughter just turned 18?
03:26:40 <Nothing\> makes me feel old
03:26:50 <Nothing\> how old are/is yours, if you don't mind my asking?
03:26:57 <K> you probs are old, Nothing\
03:27:04 <Nothing\> or did you reproduce? i don't remember
03:27:07 <Nothing\> K, only 36
03:27:11 <K> oh.
03:27:12 <Nothing\> i knocked her up young
03:27:14 <Nothing\> yeha
03:27:19 <Nothing\> was not ready for fatherhood
03:27:28 <Nothing\> but i guess i did the best i could, given my hand
03:27:48 <coppice> Nothing\: once your daughter turns 18 your threshold between "child" and "cute young woman" starts to rise with your daughter's age
03:27:54 <jaymax> Hand was too good for jerkin' it?
03:28:17 <Nothing\> lost em both to another guy and his family, but since he can care and provide for her better than i ever could and I'm absolutely powerless to do anything about it, I've resigned myself to the fact that it's for the best.
03:28:38 <Nothing\> coppice, no shit? i didn't think of that
03:28:42 <steve30> hi
03:28:44 <Nothing\> but that makes total sense
03:29:02 <Nothing\> i mean the last thing you'd want is to date somebody with the maturity level of your daughter
03:29:18 <Nothing\> then again, last i knew her my daughter was a lot more mature than most adults i know
03:29:38 <Nothing\> heya steve-o
03:29:41 <Nothing\> how's it going?
03:30:02 <Nothing\> oh shit guys, i just remembered i funny video i saw last night
03:30:32 <Nothing\> this guy was unboxing his new gaming rig. Had it turned on while he was peeling off the protective plastic from the glass on the case
03:30:36 <Nothing\> BZZZZT
03:30:38 <Nothing\> ESD
03:30:47 <Nothing\> computer died
03:31:33 <Nothing\> i noticed that myself though, peeling similar coverings off of smaller screens. They make an ungodly amount of static coming off. I just had the problem with my eeprom programmer actually
03:31:59 <Nothing\> not sure what to do when that happens. Spritz it with a tiny bit of water?
03:32:28 <Nothing\> still gotta buy a humidifier for my living room
03:33:25 <K> you keep the protector on, just like the grandma does with her tv remote
03:33:28 <Nothing\> UGH
03:33:32 <Nothing\> UGHUGHUGHUGHUGH
03:33:33 <Nothing\> https://nypost.com/2020/02/28/puppetry-of-the-penis-star-injures-testicles-with-corkscrew-during-show/
03:33:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Puppetry of the Penis star injures testicles during show
03:33:37 <Nothing\> D:D:D:D:D:
03:33:58 <Nothing\> also i can't believe these guys are still doing this. They've been at it since the 90's
03:34:05 <jaymax> Ballin'
03:34:09 <Nothing\> it's like the male version of the vagina monologues i guess lol
03:34:23 <Nothing\> hey jaymax
03:34:27 <Nothing\> tel ya what
03:34:48 <Nothing\> since idunno where belleville is exactly except presumably in the golden triangle and/or GTA
03:34:55 <Nothing\> i'm just gonna assume you live in hamilton
03:34:57 <Nothing\> sound good?
03:35:22 <Nothing\> wait, isn't belleville near listowel?
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03:35:32 <jaymax> Still looking forward to "Puppetry of the Vagina". "Look, it's a man in a canoe!" "Now, its....still...a man in a canoe..."
03:35:45 <Nothing\> jaymax, now it's a tropical underwater plant
03:35:50 <Nothing\> now it's a clam!
03:36:04 <Nothing\> now it's a taco full of cottage cheese!
03:36:12 <jaymax> hamilton sounds good - phonetically similar to Halifax
03:36:25 <Nothing\> jaymax, it's kind of a craphole
03:36:40 <Nothing\> lots of steel mills, so air quality is crap and the lake/bay is polluted as hell
03:36:44 <jaymax> Just like Halifax, TBH
03:36:52 <Nothing\> though i wouldn't swim in lake ontario
03:37:03 <Nothing\> at least not in the golden triangle
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03:37:26 <jaymax> Seems more like a golden starfish.
03:37:41 <jaymax> The asshole of Canukistan
03:37:47 <Nothing\> though i've never swam much in the great lakes. There was this little beach near oshawa i sorta dipped my feet in lake ontario there
03:38:04 <Nothing\> then we always used to go to Turkey Point in the Summer for Lake Erie
03:38:29 <Nothing\> and Lake Huron, when I was in Owen Sound I was like a block away from the shore of Georgian Bay
03:38:40 <Nothing\> which just sucked for swimming
03:38:49 <Nothing\> too cold to swim in 11 months out of the year
03:38:58 <Nothing\> and the beaches were all mossy rocks
03:39:18 <coppice> That's fake Halifax. The real one is not far from me
03:39:23 <Nothing\> except this little beach they had with sand, but the water was so shallow, you could wade out several hundred meters and still only be up to your knees
03:39:26 <jaymax> I have zero experience of that since I live on the East Coast.
03:39:34 <Nothing\> jaymax, live?
03:39:40 <Nothing\> i thought you lived in belleville
03:39:45 <jaymax> Halifax
03:39:51 <jaymax> LOL
03:39:51 <Nothing\> where'd i get belleville from?
03:40:04 <jaymax> Ampera's mind control?
03:40:09 <Nothing\> olo i guess so
03:40:19 <Nothing\> Ampera, stop replacing my thoughts
03:41:16 <Ampera> no
03:41:23 <jaymax> Also Ampera, stop replacing my THOTs. I have best rapport with the ones I already got bookmarked.
03:41:56 <Ampera> no
03:41:58 <jaymax> Massive love from BigBootyBitchbill
03:43:15 <jaymax> She got the most amazing stimmy show
03:48:07 <steve30> i've put some chips on
03:57:30 <Nothing\> okay, so final question about the TL866 before i go throwing a chip in here
03:57:35 <Nothing\> if anyone can help
03:58:25 <Nothing\> i'm noticing on the actual zif slot there are 3 distinct areas, there's a middle section with 24 pins
03:59:01 <Nothing\> then on the left and right of that are what appear to be extended sections, obviously for larger chips, with 8 pins each
03:59:26 <Nothing\> so i'm wondering if i should put my 24 pin eeprom into the center 24 pins, or put it right on the edge
03:59:59 <Nothing\> just if anybody knows off the top of their head. If not, I can always look through the user guide some more. But it's almost 100 pages so that's quite a bit of perusing
04:00:09 <Nothing\> i guess i could look up a youtube video too
04:01:22 <Nothing\> hrm well this diagram shows it right to the edge
04:03:09 <electrohead> all chips, regardless of size/length, should be at the edge
04:03:29 <electrohead> (that's how the programmer is designed)
04:11:52 <Nothing\> argh
04:12:23 <Nothing\> is there a site somewhere where i can convert a string of characters or decimal into binary?
04:12:36 <Nothing\> the only sites i can find only do 1 friggin character at a time, which is useless
04:12:54 <Nothing\> who on earth only needs one character at a time? if you're doing that, just use a chart
04:12:57 <Nothing\> lazy people
04:13:57 <Nothing\> here we go, 20 hits down
04:21:09 <Nothing\> sweet
04:21:18 <Nothing\> got my eeprom programmer working
04:21:39 <Nothing\> finally! after 2 years I can make use of my AT28C16 chips
04:30:37 <Nothing\> mmmmm....mmmmMMMMMM
04:30:56 <Nothing\> i tell ya, you put some bacon bits in scrambled eggs and it makes them 10x better
04:31:11 <Nothing\> doubly so if you use those ones made from real bacon that are soft
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04:37:38 <electrohead> Nothing\: I could always hook you up with a WIP script I use for converting between hex, binary, ascii, etc
04:40:19 <Nothing\> ah that's okay. I found a site that does it, finally.
04:40:52 <Nothing\> i'll have to bookmark it for later. Cuz this isn't the first time i've had trouble coming across such a converter
04:44:02 <Nothing\> speaking of such tools though
04:44:26 <Nothing\> is there a tool where it'll like, tell you what the highest address would be for a memory of a given size
04:45:11 <Nothing\> actually i guess all you've gotta do is convert the highest possible binary address into decimal
04:47:47 <Nothing\> neat
04:47:57 <Nothing\> the planets have some cool sounding names in swahili
04:48:05 <Nothing\> like Earth is called utaridi
04:48:18 <Nothing\> mars is mirihi
04:48:24 <Nothing\> oh sorry, earth is Dunia
04:48:28 <Nothing\> Utaridi is mercury
04:48:58 <Nothing\> mshtarii is jupiter. Zohari is saturn
04:49:17 <Nothing\> venus is zuhara, which makes me think of Sahara
04:49:24 <Nothing\> wonder if the two names are related
05:06:13 <electrohead> Nothing\: for the hell of it - https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/crypto_stringcalc.py
05:06:40 <electrohead> that was a work in progress in the past, just to mess around a bit, and ended up adding said/better functions to a different program I wrote
05:06:46 <Nothing\> hrm wtf
05:07:00 <Nothing\> whenever i write to one of these eeprom chips, it seems to write fine at first
05:07:12 <electrohead> the newer program in question, is an all-in-one program I use for everything on my network, so I'd have to rip it apart lol
05:07:24 <Nothing\> i click read and it seems to read the data i programmed into it
05:08:13 <Nothing\> but then when i remove the chip, ptu another one in, read it, the remove the chip and re-read the oroginal chip i tried to program it just says theres's either notihnnnnnng or jibberish on it
05:08:31 <Nothing\> first time it was just all FF FF FF etc
05:08:37 <Nothing\> now it's just random data
05:10:17 <Nothing\> hrm weird
05:10:33 <Nothing\> and now the second chip that i originally couldn't read from is reading just fine all of a sudden
05:10:52 <electrohead> question - did you update the firmware on the TL866?
05:10:56 <Nothing\> yup
05:11:08 <Nothing\> all the software's the newest version
05:11:14 <electrohead> hrmm, ok
05:18:30 <electrohead> are you sure you are selecting the right IC?
05:19:01 * Ampera hugs electrohead
05:19:06 <electrohead> is there any sort of write protection or anything of the sort?
05:19:09 <Ampera> how are you doing sparkyfriend?
05:19:35 <electrohead> I ran into a similar issue a few years back, but being that long ago, I forget what I did to fix said issue, let alone what the actual issue was
05:19:43 <electrohead> Ampera: I'm alright, in the middle of working, yay
05:19:44 <electrohead> you?
05:20:15 <Ampera> I'm in the middle of working too, but am less than alright
05:20:16 <Ampera> yay
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05:25:50 <electrohead> \o/
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05:36:59 <TheDude> g'day
05:42:40 <Ampera> hi TheDude
05:42:42 <Ampera> how are you doing
05:42:51 <TheDude> hey :)
05:43:03 <TheDude> on vacation rn, so okay
05:43:31 <TheDude> also got information today that my direct boss will be leaving in Q2 2022 \o/
05:51:08 <Ampera> nice
05:51:36 <arch> :3
05:57:57 <Nothing\> hrm
05:58:02 <Nothing\> so now that i have an eeprom reader
05:58:04 <Nothing\> now what
05:58:16 <Nothing\> been anticipating this day for 2 years
05:58:38 <Nothing\> and now it's so anticlimactic cuz i have nothing to use it with. I mean i can write eeproms but no modules to use them in
05:58:51 <Nothing\> maybe i could make a 7 segment lookup table or something
05:59:01 <Nothing\> little proof of concept test
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06:00:33 <Nothing\> couldn't find my attiny chips :/
06:00:52 <Nothing\> this is what happens when you keep your chips in like 3 different places
06:00:57 <Nothing\> or 4
06:01:42 <Nothing\> i really need to update my inventory catelog too. But organization is such a pain.
06:01:47 <Nothing\> i've always sucked at it
06:10:02 <Nothing\> oh so bored
06:10:12 <Nothing\> especially since i discovered B type in Gran Turismo
06:10:26 <Nothing\> now I can just have the computer do all my races for me
06:10:34 <Nothing\> just rack up the cash
06:10:43 <Nothing\> buy me a veyron
06:11:16 <Nothing\> although somehow I managed to beat 2 veyrons in a souped up Viper SRT. In fairness the viper had 1100hp lol
06:24:48 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/i7tErHl.jpg
06:41:57 <Nothing\> alright guys
06:42:04 <Nothing\> i'm going up to the hospital for my foot finally
06:42:11 <Nothing\> 3 days after breaking it lol
06:42:33 <Nothing\> hopefully it won't be too bad. Thta is, hopefully it won't need surgery but i can't see why it would.
06:42:43 <Nothing\> unless i ruptured a tendon
06:43:25 <Nothing\> but we'll see. I'm choosing the hospital in a small town with limited resources and a shorter wait and more competent staff vs one with a longer wait, slightly more resources, and completely incompetent staff
06:43:46 <Nothing\> i just hope my foot doesn't get too cold, it won't fit in my shoe
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07:04:17 <Sigyn> Good luck
07:33:33 <Sigyn> https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/08/aircraft_5g_interference/
07:33:45 <Sigyn> Like do radioaltimiters just have crap frontends?
07:34:11 <Sigyn> Or are 5g basestations the baofeng of cell transeivers?
07:34:42 <DHess_US> Most have crap selectivity
07:34:56 <DHess_US> Older designs are probably better.
07:34:56 <Sigyn> oh that's fun
07:35:22 <Sigyn> https://www.rtca.org/sc-239/ I found this report but it's 200 pages long
07:35:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - SC-239 - RTCA
07:35:45 <DHess_US> 5G is too high for helical resonators, so they would have to rely on SAW filters. Nobody is going to spend the board space to print hairpin filters.
07:36:16 <DHess_US> So the RF selectivity is probably pretty poor.
07:37:28 <Sigyn> I feel like a better solution to the problem would be delaying or canceling the issuing of licences for 5g basestations not restricting aircraft operations.
07:37:32 <DHess_US> 5G is on a different channel, but is quite powerful, and the radar altimeters lack selectivity in their RF front end.
07:37:57 <Sigyn> Like nobody is going to die if they don't get super fast next gen mobile data service near an airport
07:38:02 <DHess_US> telephone companies have a lot more money and political pull than the manufacturers of aircraft altimeters.
07:38:20 <Sigyn> More than the aviation industry as a whole though?
07:38:40 <DHess_US> It isn't like Boeing is lobbying for the manufacturers of aircraft radar altimeters.
07:38:53 <Sigyn> Yeah but if airline operations are going to be effected
07:39:27 <DHess_US> "The change could affect some 6,834 airplanes and 1,828 helicopters. The cost to operators is expected to be $580,890."
07:39:39 <DHess_US> They will have to buy and install better radar altimeters.
07:40:05 <DHess_US> And FAA type acceptance is a real pain.
07:41:28 <DHess_US> I bet it will be years before any new designs are approved.
07:42:25 <Sigyn> The cost of compliance is for flight manual updates
07:42:31 <Sigyn> I just looked at the actual FAA report
07:42:53 <DHess_US> For the flight manuals to say that the radar altimeter is unreliable?
07:42:58 <Sigyn> it does mention if resistant altimiter models are developed that would be an alternative
07:43:01 <Sigyn> yeah
07:43:06 <Sigyn> let me get a snippet
07:43:19 <DHess_US> I doubt any currently produced are good enough.
07:43:52 <DHess_US> Fixing it requires a cavity filter or similar which they never bothered including because it was not a problem.
07:44:17 <DHess_US> They don't add more selectivity than necessary because there is no reason to and it costs more.
07:44:29 <Sigyn> WEll it's a table, i'd have to get a screen shot. But they basically have a labor cost multiplied by the aircraft that use them
07:44:53 <Sigyn> ACtion "AFM Revision"
07:46:03 <Sigyn> So basically if flight rules say you would have to use the radar altimiter and there is a c-band tower near the airport, you have to wait for the weather to clear up or divert
07:47:10 <DHess_US> https://media.communities.win/post/PkXPBpd9.png
07:49:38 <Sigyn> yup
08:16:25 <T3sl4> ah yes, because trans people don't face any discrimination at all, gotcha
08:35:12 <DHess_US> I'm laughing that trans people are breaking all of the woman's sports records.
08:35:42 <DHess_US> And then we had that school incident not long ago.
08:36:47 <DHess_US> https://wjla.com/features/i-team/teen-suspect-found-guilty-in-loudoun-county-public-school-stone-bridge-high-bathroom-assault
08:36:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Teen suspect found guilty in Loudoun County school bathroom assault | WJLA
08:37:21 <DHess_US> Fucking school board covered the whole thing up, and then a father got arrested after his daughter was raped by the same kid.
08:43:50 <TheDude> so
08:44:39 <TheDude> I got an official confirmation from NI that they manufactured USB-GPIB adapters without EMC shielding during the year that my particular instance was manufactured
08:45:28 <TheDude> I now stopped doubting the authenticity of my unit
08:45:30 <coppice> That's pretty pathetic for a big brand like NI in the USB era.
08:45:58 <electrohead> o/
08:46:14 <TheDude> well, if they managed to pass EMC without the shielding, that's fine
08:46:53 <TheDude> it's still kinda yucky that they let the GPIB connector wobble within the enclosure, but eh
08:47:30 <coppice> Its not just a matter of passing the tests with lab equipment. You want them quiet enough not to affect sensitive tests
08:47:57 <TheDude> well, that's true
08:48:13 <TheDude> but on the other hand, you shouldn't be relying on the shielding of such devices anyhow
08:48:37 <TheDude> you'd want to ensure that your test setup has adequate shielding not to be disturbed by this sort of equipment
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08:49:02 <coppice> when you go into a screened room you don't want to find you've brought in a bunch of noise generators
08:49:21 <TheDude> besides, I think LCD displays are going to emit more crap than a GPIB adapter in the rear
08:53:11 <coppice> in your case, perhaps. however, a USB-GPIB adaptor is going to be used in more analogue setups than insensitive digital ones
08:54:22 <DHess_US> Probably has more to do with the connector. The Centronix connector is not particularly amendable to being used with a shielded dongle.
08:54:59 <DHess_US> It was intended to be used with a steel housing and a shielded cable.
08:55:34 <DHess_US> Not Centronix, but Cinch?
08:55:39 <coppice> most professional GPIB parts are massively shielded
08:55:55 <DHess_US> We always called it a Centronix connector because it was common as the first parallel printer connector.
08:56:13 <coppice> its a smaller connector than the centronix one
08:56:36 <DHess_US> coppice, sure, but the Cinch connector was intended for a steel housing and shielded cable.
08:57:45 <DHess_US> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/cinch-jones-ks16786l9-connector-microribbon-14-position-f?gclid=CjwKCAiA78aNBhAlEiwA7B76pyJySgWblBz74kRIsJWBniaePYzqJyOgHcyc30ZWX6sStuR3wqfaqxoCpVsQAvD_BwE
08:57:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - CINCH JONES - KS16786L9 - Connector, microribbon. 14 Position (F).
08:58:06 <DHess_US> That is how they were intended to be used on the cable side.
08:58:54 <DHess_US> And then they had a panel mount for the other wide. But that isn't amendable to being used with a dongle.
08:59:27 <DHess_US> HP probably chose it because it was cheap. They didn't choose a D-connector because they didn't want to get confused with serial.
08:59:52 <DHess_US> Although a d-connector wouldn't have been any better.
09:02:59 <coppice> HP used a version with a cast shell that was super expensive
09:08:52 <DHess_US> I bet
09:09:05 <DHess_US> The HP ones I have seen looked like cast aluminum.
09:11:08 <DHess_US> I've seen RF shielded ones. They use EMI gaskets between the Cinch connector and the housing.
09:30:37 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/12/09/26f52b9b6d589a32.png
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10:15:53 <electrohead> DHess_US: lol
10:16:35 <electrohead> this is great - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/fall-on-walk-from-bed-to-desk-is-workplace-accident-german-court-rules
10:16:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fall on walk from bed to desk is workplace accident, German court rules | Germany | The Guardian
10:17:02 <coppice> was this in a brothel?
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10:37:46 <electrohead> no it wasn't lol
10:37:50 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df90XA_XQs0
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10:50:12 <Nothing\> alright, back fromm the hospital
10:50:15 <Nothing\> i knew it
10:50:19 <Nothing\> broke my big toe
10:50:28 <Nothing\> but that's it, it's just a simple, clean break
10:50:39 <Nothing\> should just take a few weeks to heal. No biggie. :D
10:51:41 <Nothing\> and actually for once i was treated like a human being in a hospital
10:52:34 <Nothing\> the staff were actually nice and respectful, and polite, and fun to take to. Even joked around a bit with them. It real such a stark contrast to the ER in this city
10:52:49 <Nothing\> so i'm definitely going there for my ER needs from now on
10:53:05 <Nothing\> even if it's out of town
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10:55:39 <Nothing\> so i've a question
10:55:46 <Nothing\> which i wil pose to.....
10:57:18 * Nothing\ goes "nee nee nee nee nee nee nee nee nee" while pointing around the room like clarence boddicker with his shot gun in robo cop when he turns people cop ino roxo cop
10:57:56 <Nothing\> BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!
11:16:29 <Nothing\> hey, what's the largest eeprom chip thta atmel makes?
11:17:20 <Nothing\> i know they have the at least 256 bytes
11:23:12 <T3sl4> so you got a cute lil split for your fat lil toe?
11:23:40 <Nothing\> nah he didn't do antyhing
11:23:54 * T3sl4 puts a little hat on it then
11:23:57 <Nothing\> said to basically keep doing what i'm doing and she'll be right
11:24:10 <Nothing\> hey T3sl4 lemme ask you something, for my mum's sake
11:24:16 <Nothing\> whate is ether used for in chemistry?
11:24:20 <T3sl4> solvent
11:24:55 <Nothing\> for?
11:25:03 <T3sl4> dissolving chemicals
11:25:09 <T3sl4> you know, as a solvent :P
11:25:11 <Nothing\> what kind?
11:25:28 <T3sl4> organic mostly, sometimes organometallic
11:25:51 <T3sl4> the oxygen atom has a certain attraction to some elements or groups, making it suitable for some things
11:25:54 <Nothing\> thank you lol
11:26:23 <Nothing\> i was hoping you'd say non-polar solvent
11:26:32 <Nothing\> cuz that's what i said even though she didn't know what it meant
11:26:35 <T3sl4> gringnard reagent i think is one that particularly needs ether? it's a solution of metal usually magnesium bonded to an organic molecule, so it's pretty reactive, and the metal doesn't really like to do that
11:26:39 <Nothing\> but she gets the idea
11:26:44 <Nothing\> she still doesn't think i need it
11:26:50 <T3sl4> low polar solvent, but not non
11:26:58 <Nothing\> is it protic?
11:27:13 <Nothing\> something tells me no
11:27:15 <T3sl4> it has hydrogens, they don't usually come off
11:27:21 <Nothing\> ah
11:27:37 <Nothing\> see i forgot all about protic vs aprotic solvents
11:27:59 <Nothing\> but i'm still ahrm why did my eepom chips disappear
11:28:14 <Nothing\> here eeprom eeprom eeprom
11:28:57 <T3sl4> yeah n-butyl lithium is one of the strongest bases you can make, and it forms solutions with ether, safe to say it's not donating protons any time soon
11:29:19 <Nothing\> i was just thinking it'd be neat to hook my scope up to one of the data pins or something while it's reading/writig and what the signal on my scope
11:29:21 <T3sl4> what were you doing with eeproms i saw that earlier but didnt read
11:29:33 <Nothing\> the zif socket's big enough
11:30:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh just testing a new eeprom reader i got, tl866
11:30:21 <Nothing\> from ben eater himself
11:30:22 <Nothing\> heh
11:30:27 <T3sl4> neat
11:30:34 <T3sl4> if it's addressing sequentially, you can read it like that yeah
11:31:05 <Nothing\> i don't wanna read it i just wanna see the waveform
11:31:17 <Nothing\> just for gawking purposes
11:31:28 <T3sl4> it's not very interesting just a bunch of up and downs :P
11:32:30 <Nothing\> i'm wondering what to do now that i have it though
11:32:55 <Nothing\> i'm thinking maybe i'll start with the 7 segment lookup table tutorial he put up
11:33:41 <Nothing\> interesting to me still
11:33:50 <Nothing\> i've never really seen any real signal on a scope
11:34:10 <Nothing\> oh yeah i'm also wondering
11:34:25 <Nothing\> any idea what the 6 pins on the other side of it are for?
11:34:56 <T3sl4> RTFDS
11:35:15 <Nothing\> eh?
11:35:19 <Nothing\> oh
11:35:22 <Nothing\> gotcha
11:35:23 <T3sl4> read the fr...iendly datasheet
11:35:26 * Nothing\ touches nose
11:35:39 <Nothing\> yeah you're right
11:35:49 <Nothing\> i'm too eager. Too ambitious.
11:36:00 <Nothing\> gotta slow down and take in the documentation
11:36:27 <Nothing\> which i genuinely forgot existed in my exceptemnt
11:36:43 <Nothing\> excitement?
11:36:49 <T3sl4> excrement?
11:36:56 <Nothing\> wtcf was i even trying to say
11:36:59 * Nothing\ shrugs
11:37:07 <Nothing\> i think my brain kinda took a vacation there for a moment
11:37:12 <T3sl4> feels like i've been making more typos lately too idk
11:37:19 <Nothing\> you too?
11:37:23 <Nothing\> i've been noticing that too
11:37:45 <Nothing\> do you use dvorak or queerty?
11:37:51 <T3sl4> qwerty
11:37:56 <Nothing\> ah
11:38:06 <Nothing\> i've been on dvorak for 12 years
11:38:25 <T3sl4> neat
11:38:36 <Nothing\> i don't honetly find it any faster
11:38:46 <Nothing\> BUT it has forced me to learn touch typing
11:50:10 <jaymax> Which came first, the DVORAK layout, or John C Dvorak the PcMag editor?
11:50:22 <T3sl4> yes
11:59:55 <coppice> The Dvorak keyboard is from the 1930s, so unless John C Dvorak was really old when editing the magazine.....
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12:47:37 <steve30> o/
13:09:37 <electrohead> o/
13:09:50 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead
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13:44:41 <T3sl4> :3
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13:45:25 <T3sl4> oh sorry, it's actually warmi
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14:26:06 <T3sl4> hi arch
14:26:40 <arch> hi
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14:27:25 <arch> was gonna etch my board out today, but work kept me up till 8, and then i took a nap cuz i was poofed. so now im gonna stay up half the night to etch and work on other projects
14:28:11 <Nothing\> hey arch
14:28:29 <Nothing\> lol i was giving a guy on youtube advice on starting out with electronics
14:28:45 <Nothing\> or at least dealing with ESD, that's right
14:28:51 <Nothing\> now that i think about it
14:29:00 <Nothing\> but anyways the number one rule i told him when avoiding ESD
14:29:06 <Nothing\> is ABSOLUTELY NO KITTIES
14:29:19 <Nothing\> because kitties are static death traps for electronics
14:29:29 <Nothing\> and they know it
14:29:32 <steve30> :p
14:29:50 <steve30> Maybe someone needs to invent a static dissipative kittie
14:29:58 <Nothing\> lol
14:30:51 <Nothing\> i watched a video the other day, i'm not sure how real it was but this guy was unboxing a computer and as he peeled the protective plastic off of the glass it generated enough static to fry the computer.
14:31:05 <steve30> :)
14:31:51 <Nothing\> I'm seems very plausible to me because i've personally had electronics arrive that had a plastic cover proctinging a screen or something an peeling it off generated an alarming amount of static
14:34:09 <Nothing\> oh man i'm so pissed
14:34:42 <steve30> i'm hoping i manage it to the shops this morning
14:34:57 <Nothing\> aliexpress has this little FLIR type camera, handheld with an i dunno? 2in screen for just over $100
14:35:00 <Nothing\> $300 normal
14:36:24 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/46carvyb
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14:37:02 <Nothing\> and it's uni-t. So it's a reputable brand name. I've always been happy wiht my uni-t DMM
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15:19:19 <coppice> Who shuts down for Christmas on 9th Dec?
15:19:28 <coppice> er, 10th
15:21:40 <steve30> Surprise surprise, the mask regulations have been extended till the end of January
15:24:18 <steve30> There is an exemption for singing though:
15:24:20 <steve30> "it is reasonably necessary for P to sing, and P removes P’s face covering to do so, and for these purposes, the occasions when it is reasonably necessary for P to sing include singing as part of a choir, or during a service or rehearsal, or for performance.”."
15:45:01 <Nothing\> hey guys
15:45:14 <Nothing\> can you recommend some EEPROM chips that aren't like, 8kb
15:45:53 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i can't seem to find any eeprom chips of very large capacity
15:46:12 <Nothing\> probably because i don't know of many types, so i'm mostly searching through atmel ones
15:46:40 <Nothing\> but i get the sense i need a different company for thi
15:46:42 <Nothing\> s
15:47:10 <Nothing\> maybe a search tool on TI or something can help
16:22:20 <T3sl4> Nothing\: search digikey
16:23:04 <Nothing\> yeah TI had bupkiss. At least in THT packages
16:23:36 <Nothing\> i wound up ordering a few at29c256's
16:23:54 <Nothing\> seems like 256k should be plenty for my needs
16:24:14 <Nothing\> and if i need more, that'll give me an excuse ta learn about memory management
16:25:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i can't remember. did i tell you i finally sought medical help for my foot?
16:25:07 <T3sl4> ya
16:25:10 <Nothing\> okay cool
16:25:41 <Nothing\> i took some anxiety meds so i could actually get my ass to go. So my memory's a bit foggy
16:26:08 <T3sl4> that'd do it
16:26:11 * DogWomble hands Ampera a glass of his favourite dbeverage
16:26:18 <Nothing\> indeedly doodly
16:28:05 <Nothing\> hrm
16:28:42 <Nothing\> i really wish i had something i could do with this eeprom writer right now besides just writing random messages onto the chips
16:29:01 <Nothing\> some sort of LUT
16:29:23 <Nothing\> maybe to replace an ALU, or at least a multiplier
16:30:17 <Nothing\> heh i was trying to explain to my Mum was an LUT was today and equated it to a kid in math class actually doing his work, and a kid just looking the answers up in his times tables.
16:31:45 <Nothing\> holy hell this thing supports a lotta chips
16:31:48 <Nothing\> http://www.autoelectric.cn/MiniPro/TL866II_List.txt
16:32:01 <Nothing\> i mean i knew it was a lot, but holy shit
16:34:01 <Nothing\> also i've found this to be useful. maybe one of you guys wil too.
16:34:04 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATtiny_microcontroller_comparison_chart
16:34:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - ATtiny microcontroller comparison chart - Wikipedia
16:34:30 <Nothing\> i'm tempted to say what it is, bet reall the name says it all
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16:59:33 <arch> T3sl4, https://i.imgflip.com/5xc892.jpg
16:59:59 <T3sl4> "it sucks, and i'm tired of pretending it's not"
17:00:33 <arch> "it's simple. we, uhh, don't use the mc34063"
17:04:27 <arch> https://i.imgflip.com/5xc8le.jpg
17:05:31 <arch> that being said, i still want to make all sorts of boost and buck topologies using the mc34063, just for shits and giggles
17:05:41 <T3sl4> mostly the former ;)
17:05:46 <arch> so far, i've made buck, boost, and flyback, using the 34063
17:06:15 <arch> i wanna see how it performs in sepic and cuk mode
17:07:49 <arch> can a forward conv be made with a 34063? how would you realistically limit duty cycle to <50%? the current sense on the 34063 sucks ass, so can;t use that
17:08:15 <Nothing\> mmm
17:08:17 <T3sl4> well, if you know how much to bias it by, that works
17:08:21 <Nothing\> you guys ever have good and plenties?
17:08:27 <Nothing\> or sometimes just called goodies
17:08:41 <T3sl4> the uh, coated liquorice thing isn't it?
17:08:43 <Nothing\> candy coated bits of black licorice
17:08:45 <Nothing\> yeah
17:08:53 <T3sl4> they're alright
17:09:04 <Nothing\> i bought a bag. I've gotta say i love em in small amounts
17:09:17 <Nothing\> a hand full or so and i'm good
17:09:39 <Nothing\> i'm sure you saw the chubbyemu video about the poor guy who ate too much licororice?
17:09:49 <T3sl4> ya
17:09:54 * Nothing\ nods
17:09:58 <Nothing\> that's mah man
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17:21:10 <steve30> I wonder if Dave will ever use that stock of couch feet :D
17:22:00 <steve30> (which for some reason, don't seem to be in tat particular photo)
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17:32:10 <steve30> Ah ha, there they are :)
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18:11:51 <Ysjoelfir> happy preweekend!
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19:32:11 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:32:19 <Halcyon> Happy weekend (almost)
19:32:47 * Halcyon licks Ysjoelfir
19:36:09 * Ysjoelfir is happy
19:36:19 <Ysjoelfir> but I won't lick you back because of that :P
19:36:32 <Halcyon> Meh, I don't mind your fluids :P
19:37:00 <Ysjoelfir> I know, but if I would I know that SOMEONE would want to watch me do that xD
19:41:54 <Halcyon> So apparently now in Australia, if you contract COVID and have to isolate or if you have to care for someone, or are otherwise a "close contact" of a confirmed case, the government give you a lump sum payment of $750 per week as you can't work.
19:42:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats..... roughly as much as I get as regular payment
19:42:39 <Ysjoelfir> i assume thats after taxes?
19:45:04 * T3sl4 licks Halcyon for spare government cheese
19:49:02 <Nothing\> oh man
19:49:10 <Nothing\> this is the best piece of chinglish i've come across in a while
19:49:12 <Nothing\> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/He2dc3c6463e643418e23d97189247d499.jpg
19:49:23 <K> hello duckheads
19:49:37 <Nothing\> i love how they say levitating the crap with the wand will enhance your self confidence
19:49:44 <Nothing\> at least i think that's what it's trying to say
19:49:46 <T3sl4> hello kwacker
19:49:46 <EEVBot> Hello, T3sl4!
19:49:53 <T3sl4> ^-^
19:50:35 <Nothing\> so i've got some shopping to do
19:51:35 <Nothing\> need an eeprom, preferably parallel. So I went and got a couple AT28C256s. I also need some super caps but i'm not sure what to do about that
19:51:56 <Nothing\> maybe i should wait until i have more money cuz i'm not sure i trust the ones an aliexpress
19:52:11 <Nothing\> get some from a proper seler
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19:56:14 <doggyrat> hello
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19:59:31 <K> hello
20:01:06 <doggyrat> hello K
20:01:13 * T3sl4 pets doggyrat
20:01:43 * doggyrat waggles with imaginary tail and licks T3sl4's hand
20:02:06 <T3sl4> i'm not sure what kind of woofsqueak a doggyrat would make, but that's what i'm imagining
20:02:08 <doggyrat> hello T3sl4 how are you today
20:02:08 <EEVBot> Hello, doggyrat!
20:02:26 * Ysjoelfir wiggles with not immaginary tail and licks Halcyon
20:03:33 <doggyrat> Ysjoelfir: that sounds weird , it will be hard to get those images out of my head
20:03:44 <doggyrat> hello EEVBot
20:03:45 <EEVBot> Hello, doggyrat!
20:03:48 <Ysjoelfir> good, mission accomplished
20:03:56 <Nothing\> jeez
20:04:01 <Nothing\> i dunno how legit this is
20:04:13 <Nothing\> but this supercap claims to be 3,000 farads at 2.2v
20:04:38 <T3sl4> thats pretty normal
20:04:47 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/4j25ax5v
20:04:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Redirecting to https://redirect.viglink.com?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2F4000032214736.html%3Fspm%3Da2g0o.detail.0.0.5cb3524fCsMmGc%26gps-id%3DpcDetailFavMayLike%26scm%3D1007.12873.219628.0%26scm_id%3D1007.12873.219628.0%26scm-url%3D1007.12873.219628.0%26pvid%3D84e7ded9-cf1b-4b7e-93f5-eb316929768c%26_t%3Dgps-id%3ApcDetailFavMayLike%2Cscm-url%3A1007.12873.219628.0%2Cpvid%3A84e7ded9-cf1b-4b7e-93f5-eb316929768c%2Ctpp_buckets%3A668%25232846%2
20:05:00 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeahL even for that price?
20:05:04 <T3sl4> maxwell boostcap or what
20:05:14 <Nothing\> that sort of capacitance is unhearrd of to me
20:05:36 <Nothing\> but i mean, it'd take so long to charge/discharge a cap lke that
20:05:47 <T3sl4> well, some seconds to minutes
20:05:55 <Nothing\> might well be a battery
20:06:02 <T3sl4> they straddle the line towards battery
20:06:18 <Nothing\> hrm i guess
20:06:27 <T3sl4> some are even slightly electrochemical, with a nonlinear capacitance and a minimum discharge voltage rating, tho i don't recall how they're supposed to work
20:06:43 <Nothing\> so seeh far a current limiting resistor
20:08:06 <T3sl4> that or a charging circuit, is a good idea
20:08:29 <doggyrat> Nothing\: i do not search the german aliexpress, i prefer the english version, but it was even much cheaper before customs started claiming import VAT
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20:09:31 <K> uk's stores are dead to most of eu, noone wants the hassle with customs and vats and other nonsense
20:10:41 <Ysjoelfir> and here is me, preparing many of our products for UKCA certification.....
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20:11:23 <K> you fool!
20:11:32 <doggyrat> K: some of the shops do have stores in Europe which makes it even faster and easier
20:11:52 <K> some do, yes
20:13:07 <doggyrat> i ordered last time about 6 month ago not having any problems , unless you stay below 100 euro customs does not charge additional costs
20:14:02 <K> unless?
20:15:31 <doggyrat> i do not know exactly where the limit of value is , but crossing the amount they do charge additional customs fees
20:17:53 <K> well, uncertainty does not help
20:20:09 <doggyrat> ordering from china is still cheap, of course a lot of amazon or ebay offers are even cheaper
20:21:30 <doggyrat> but i would like to have some more information and a bigger variety of selection of products , that is why i do not mind pay us 3$ more
20:34:29 <doggyrat> i would like to buy a 2.5" lcd screen with a controller having a hdmi connection, but i do not know if that screen require a kind of magnifying glass
20:35:13 <doggyrat> to operate in front of your eyes
21:16:23 <steve30> i've got my uncle/auntie coming round later, along with a lady from the care company that visits grandma. I'm hoping there will not be any arguments
21:17:16 <K> a handbag fight!
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