// #eevblog — 2021-12-13
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00:00:36 <doggyrat> i am not very good in programming but != unequal
00:00:48 <watcher> yes
00:01:00 <watcher> not equal
00:04:04 <TheDude> yeah, you can be a nerd and not an engineer
00:04:17 <TheDude> and the other way around as well
00:04:32 <TheDude> but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you can't be a very good engineer without being a nerd
00:04:54 <watcher> doggyrat i dont see a fanatsy fan as a nerd
00:05:37 <watcher> the kind of fantasy like lord of the ring and larpers
00:15:33 <doggyrat> ok technology related persons
00:17:02 <watcher> we all are technology interested persons. that brings us here
00:18:34 <doggyrat> i started being interested recently about 5 years ago but i am not fast in making progresses
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00:42:30 <electrohead> o/
00:43:15 <watcher> o/
00:43:23 <watcher> whats up mod
00:45:25 <electrohead> nothing much :p
00:45:30 <electrohead> just waking up here, you?
00:46:02 <watcher> I hope to get productive today. and wake up
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02:25:34 <Kuschelpony> hello arch
02:28:15 * electrohead offers coffee
02:35:53 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/1468680772295004161
02:39:45 <electrohead> https://twitter.com/gegy1000/status/1469714451716882434?s=21
02:39:53 <electrohead> EEVBot: about
02:39:54 <EEVBot> I am EEVBot v1.1, made in python, with love, and fueled by beer. Hear me roar.
02:40:16 <electrohead> hrm, I guess twitter needs proper headers or something
02:40:25 <electrohead> it's sunday, I'm not debugging shit today, it's a day off heh
02:40:27 <electrohead> and, hey DHess_US o/
02:44:24 <arch> hi
02:44:39 * electrohead drowns arch in coffee
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02:48:37 <doggyrat> hello
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02:50:01 <arch> hmm..it is possible to use a synchronous buck controller to use as a sepic controller, by not using the high side mosfet; is it possible to do the same with a regulator as well, by not using the bootstrap pin, and connecting one end of the inductor to positive?
02:51:48 <Kuschelpony> mmh, without looking very detailed to a spoecific regulator, i would first worry about parasitic PN junctions
02:52:00 <arch> ah
02:52:19 <Kuschelpony> btw: i have not yet got an XL4005 buck converter running as inverting buck
02:53:48 <arch> you can use any buck converter in inverting config
02:54:55 <arch> im gonna try it right now, on a fake lm2674 conv board
02:55:08 <arch> or sorry, fake lm2596
02:56:06 <Kuschelpony> not all go well in that configuration, that XL is stuck in a kind of hiccup mode
02:56:31 <Kuschelpony> im sure i need just some hack but have not yet the right idea
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02:57:04 <Kuschelpony> after i wound that toroid inductor i really want to get that frankenstein thing running
02:57:11 <arch> try placing a reverse biased diode on the output?
02:57:26 <Kuschelpony> all done already
02:57:29 <arch> i think i saw that in an appnote
02:57:46 <Kuschelpony> yes totally right, i already started with this diode
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03:44:27 <Nothing\> lol i got a free gift from my dispensary
03:44:42 <Nothing\> a pot leaf cookie cutter and instructions on how to make cannabutter and cookies
03:44:54 <Nothing\> which after looking at their instructions, it's like a friggin 6 hour process lol
03:45:05 <Nothing\> even my process is like 2 hours and it's a pain in the ass
03:45:30 <Nothing\> then i've gotta shovel half a damn batch of cookies down my throat
03:57:29 <Nothing\> ah fuck i'm crying again :/
03:57:32 <Nothing\> fucking reality
03:57:49 * Nothing\ takes a breath
03:57:55 * Nothing\ shakes it off
03:58:17 <Nothing\> just got thinking about an unfortunate memory
03:59:55 <Nothing\> ugh
04:00:03 <Nothing\> my old friend wants to hang out today
04:00:10 <Nothing\> not a good time
04:01:02 <Nothing\> then again, no time's been good. I feel bad because I keep putting him off either because of physical or mental health shit and while he's aware of it, I still can't help but feel like he's eventually gonna feel like i'm avoiding him and just stop trying.
04:01:21 <Nothing\> i felt so bad, last time i was the one who initiated the plans, then i had to cancel last minute because of my stomach.
04:01:52 <Nothing\> and there's no damn way i can walk to his place on my foot
04:02:57 <Nothing\> i really do wanna hang out though. I've been wanting to talk to his mum about something important for a couple of years. Actually I wanted to talk to both of his parents, but found out his dad died a couple of years ago so that really hit home that i've gotta get a hold of her soon before it's too late.
04:04:09 <Nothing\> fuck it
04:04:28 <Nothing\> what's the use trying
04:12:22 <jaymax> To not Homer Simpson yourseelf.
04:52:06 <Nothing\> hay jay
04:52:22 <Nothing\> actually, you know that's homer simpson's middle name, right?
04:52:24 <Nothing\> jay
04:53:14 <Nothing\> hrm i'm trying to think wtf to do with one of these eeprom chips
04:53:52 <Nothing\> i guess i could watch one of those beneater videos on making a 6052 circuit and use one to hold instructions for the cpu
04:54:07 <Nothing\> and i've got some 16kbit SRAM chips
04:54:20 <Nothing\> same ones they used on the NES,incidentally lol
04:54:49 <Nothing\> actually it pisses me off when somebody says "they used the 6502 in the nes"
04:55:00 <Nothing\> or even orse when they say it was used in the c64
04:55:25 <Nothing\> i mean the NES's chip was pretty close to a 6502, it just had a soundwave generator in place of... something i can't remember
04:55:50 <Nothing\> and the c64 used the 6510, which was basically a 6502 with some gpio on it
04:55:53 <Kuschelpony> BCD arithmetics, because of patent ussues
04:56:01 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, that what i wanted to say
04:56:04 <Nothing\> somethin about BCD
04:56:12 <Nothing\> who uses BCD anyways
04:56:12 <Kuschelpony> yp
04:56:18 <Nothing\> i've only ever seen BCD used for clocks lol
04:56:25 <Kuschelpony> very many old computers
04:56:29 <Nothing\> and honestly, i'd love to make a BCD clock one of these days
04:56:38 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, what about grey code? that seems even more obscure
04:56:46 <Nothing\> or gray code?
04:57:14 <Kuschelpony> in 80s computer games you were hand-counting assembly instructions and cpu cycles to squeeze all in the available resources
04:57:27 <Nothing\> aye
04:57:39 <Nothing\> except, i dunno how recent they are
04:57:49 <Kuschelpony> so it was a huge thing if you had bcd counters, versus binary counters and a hand full of conversation codes
04:57:49 <Nothing\> but i've seen like 8mbyte cartridges for the c64
04:58:01 <Nothing\> sram
04:58:10 <Nothing\> sorry i shoulda specified the type of memory
04:58:32 <Nothing\> i dunno how that woulda worked, musta had its own cpu or something
04:58:53 <Nothing\> but even then, you'd need a 32bit cpu to address that much ram wouldn't you
04:59:12 <coppice> lots of people writing MCU code use the BCD instructions. Less so these days, with more MCU code being pure C, with BCD hasn't gone away
04:59:21 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, heh i got a bunch of BCD converter logic chips but i never used them for anything
04:59:53 <Nothing\> that reminds me, i still wanna get some sort ATTiny chip
04:59:57 <Nothing\> but i can't decide which
05:00:16 <Kuschelpony> nothing, it would have been no problem to access 16 Mibyte by a 8-bit cpu with an address bank switch
05:00:25 <Nothing\> i had an ATTiny85 in my wishlist on aliexpress so i just went with that. But i've got a list with specs for each one from wikipedia i need to peruse
05:00:36 <Nothing\> i've gotta find similar lists for PICs and for uhh...
05:00:37 <Kuschelpony> i would recommand the XTiny814
05:00:50 <Nothing\> oh yeah, some sort of 8051/52 equivalent
05:00:56 <Nothing\> but i mean those things are a dime a dozen
05:01:03 <Nothing\> trying to decide on one of those is overwhelming
05:01:15 <Nothing\> i just know i don't want anything with built-in eeprom
05:01:24 <Nothing\> and something with a built-in cxe
05:01:25 <Nothing\> cxo
05:01:33 <Kuschelpony> i never could start with uc my brain is not really the kind of programming nerd
05:01:36 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, i'll check that one out
05:01:50 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, neither is mine, but i try
05:01:58 <Kuschelpony> https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/ATtiny417-814-816-817-DataSheet-DS40002288A.pdf
05:02:09 <Nothing\> thanks
05:02:27 <Kuschelpony> ah well im more the analog almost-wizard, should try to grow a grey beard
05:02:41 <Nothing\> lol
05:02:52 <Kuschelpony> but lucily the hairs still grow on the other side
05:03:05 <Nothing\> oh yeah, the chip has to be through-hole, too
05:03:25 <Nothing\> which sucks cuz i noticed all of the avr 3.5 ones are sop
05:03:55 <Nothing\> but i think i can do without the extra ADC or whatever it has
05:04:29 <Kuschelpony> oh sorry if you still do tht
05:04:37 <Nothing\> lol that's alright
05:04:56 <Nothing\> truth be told, in the 3.5 years i've been doing electronics, i've never once used anything but a breadboard
05:05:13 <Kuschelpony> i entirely canged to smd something 20 years ago, was too lazy to drill the holes
05:05:19 <Nothing\> i dunno whether it's the solder i'm using or what, but any time i try to solder, it all just sticks to the iron instead of the part
05:05:34 <Nothing\> i've been told you heat the part, not the solder, so that's what i try to do
05:05:42 <Kuschelpony> right
05:05:57 <Nothing\> but the part doesn't get hot enough to melt the solder, so i inevitably have to touch the solder to the iron
05:06:00 <Kuschelpony> you hpolt the iron to the component leg and then apply solder
05:06:02 <Nothing\> and that's the only way i can get it to melt
05:06:14 <Nothing\> and that's using 3 different (non temperature controlled) irons
05:06:31 <Nothing\> just crappy $20 deals that you just plug into the wall, not even any ground pin on it
05:06:35 <Kuschelpony> try the widest tip you can get and the COLDEST setting that still melts the solder, to not burn the flux
05:06:44 <Kuschelpony> oh sorry
05:06:45 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to get one of those hakko stations for ages
05:07:06 <Nothing\> i have a bunch of perfboard here i've been wanting to put to good use
05:07:31 <Nothing\> at the very least make an astable oscillator so i don't have to make one every time i use something that needs a clock
05:07:42 <Kuschelpony> in the past i recommanded the Ersa RDS80 as a low cost entry level statuin that is just good enough, but today i wait to get a TS100 to try how well they do
05:08:24 <Nothing\> i figure use a 555 and instead of a 1k and 10k resistor, just use say a 1k in series with a 10k pot being used as a rheostat
05:08:36 <Nothing\> yeah?
05:08:41 <Nothing\> i'll have to check those out
05:09:05 <Kuschelpony> so you want to build a variable timer?
05:09:28 <Nothing\> pretty much yeah
05:09:38 <Nothing\> just so i've got one to use as a clock when i need one
05:09:51 <Kuschelpony> yep
05:10:04 <Kuschelpony> but to say, its poor as a timer
05:10:06 <Nothing\> i mean it's not a huge deal to make one, but it's tedious to have to build one every single time i need a clock
05:10:16 <Nothing\> which is pretty much like 80% of every circuit i make
05:10:26 <Kuschelpony> i still use the CMOS TLC555 often as an logic block :)
05:10:36 <Nothing\> well i use a 7555
05:10:57 <Nothing\> i've heard of the TLC555 but i forget what's special about it
05:10:59 <Nothing\> low power?
05:11:03 <Nothing\> low voltage?
05:11:05 <Nothing\> something like that
05:11:23 <coppice> Its the tender loving care that makes it special
05:11:32 <Nothing\> i think i remember seeing a forum post where somebody was asking about it because it wasn't meeting some criteria he needed it to
05:11:33 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/remehi/the_professor_brothers_prisoner_christmas/
05:11:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
05:11:36 <electrohead> o.O
05:11:42 <Nothing\> coppice, you mean lifetime 2.0
05:11:47 <Nothing\> (TLC)
05:12:00 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
05:12:04 <Nothing\> how you doing buddy?
05:12:17 <electrohead> hey mate
05:12:21 <electrohead> good here I guess, you?
05:12:35 <Nothing\> coppice, what should i use these at28c16 chips for?
05:12:43 <Nothing\> electrohead, i'm doing pretty good actually
05:12:51 <Nothing\> electrohead, reduced my methadone again yesterday :D
05:12:55 <Nothing\> i'm at an even 70mg now
05:12:57 <coppice> storing data, perhaps
05:13:06 <Nothing\> coppice, hrm
05:13:17 <Nothing\> so they're NOT suppositories?
05:13:43 <coppice> the legs make them a little uncomfortable for that
05:13:50 <Nothing\> electrohead, i figured i felt nothing going down to 73 so why not just make it an even 70mg
05:14:08 <Nothing\> coppice, i thought it was a ribbed for her pleasure sorta deal
05:14:27 <Nothing\> dude i just got a great idea
05:14:55 <Nothing\> somebody needs to make like a foot high replica of a DIP8 IC that walks like a bug
05:15:03 <Nothing\> like, a little robot
05:15:11 <coppice> that has been done
05:15:14 <Nothing\> dammit
05:15:23 <Nothing\> what's with people retroactively stealing my ideas?
05:15:37 <coppice> I think it was more like a DIP 14 or 16
05:15:47 <Nothing\> makes sense, more room
05:16:11 <Nothing\> heh you should check out this game
05:16:12 <Nothing\> http://www.biologic.com.au/bugbrain/
05:16:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bug Brain Home Page
05:16:19 <electrohead> hell yeah, that's good to hear
05:16:28 <Nothing\> i've loved it ever since i first played it in the 90's, but it's so ahead of its time
05:16:33 <electrohead> hopefully you can get off that shit for good, eventually
05:16:48 <Nothing\> you use neural nets to "program" robotic bugs and stuff with logic to get them to do certain things
05:17:05 <Nothing\> but i mean, i didn't even think neural nets were a thing in the 90's
05:17:29 <Nothing\> i'd heard the term, thanks to terminator, but i always figured they were invented in the early 2000s
05:17:39 <Nothing\> but maybe that's just when they "came into their own"
05:18:43 <Nothing\> coppice, but yeha i just got a tl866 and i love the thing so much, but the only chips i have to program are these eeprom chips and i have no computer to use them with so i dunno what else to do
05:19:07 <Nothing\> maybe make an LUT for a 7 segment decoder/encoder
05:19:56 <Nothing\> or i was thinking, maybe make a series of inputs for an ALU module
05:20:07 <Nothing\> i could make one of those easy enough with a 74hc181
05:20:33 <Nothing\> or even a series of inputs for any logic module i guess
05:21:22 <electrohead> actually, I'll just link to the original video on youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qljs6phMy8o
05:21:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Professor Brothers - Prisoner Christmas
05:21:36 <Nothing\> too bad they didn't store 10 bits at a time, i could use the first 2 bits for the operation and the other 8 for input A and input B
05:21:43 <electrohead> this guy is funny as fuck, in my opinion
05:22:40 <Nothing\> i think i'll play some Metroid: Dread
05:22:45 <Nothing\> it's such a great game
05:22:48 <arch> just got done salvaging some loot
05:22:59 <Nothing\> i wasn't impressed with it at first, but it grew on me before long
05:23:10 <arch> 10x 47uF inductors, 20x 220uF SMD polycaps, and 9x fake LM2596 ICs
05:23:18 <Nothing\> nice!
05:23:38 <Nothing\> i've still got a piece of perfboard i ripped out of an old audio receiver that has 2.....
05:23:43 <Nothing\> what kinda caps are theyy...
05:23:59 <Nothing\> 35v 4700uf
05:24:10 <Nothing\> so i figure those are def worth salvaging
05:24:18 <Nothing\> usually i don't care about salvaging caps
05:24:27 <Nothing\> except class X or Y caps
05:24:57 <Nothing\> or inductors for that matter. I'll try to salvage transformers. But without a proper solder pump it's not easy.
05:25:25 <arch> Kuschelpony, https://i.imgur.com/2zwJPxf.jpg
05:25:28 <Nothing\> And the solder pump i use is no good. It just fires molten solder out the back of it and all over the room. Which is really bad when you have kitties.
05:25:42 <arch> i bought 10 of those "lm2596" modules off ebay ages ago for $10 in total
05:25:47 <Nothing\> i need to get a proper solder pump
05:25:59 <Nothing\> what is an lm2596? op amp?
05:26:05 <Nothing\> (s)
05:26:10 <arch> even if those are fake lm2596, just the inductors alone make up for the cost lol
05:26:26 <Nothing\> i usually assume LM chips are either op amps or some sort of power converter
05:26:33 <arch> does anyone want a blank PCB scan of that depopulated PCB?
05:26:40 <Nothing\> say
05:27:01 <Nothing\> what kind of power converters do you suppose luke skywalker was going to the toshi station to pick up?
05:27:10 <Nothing\> i say he was getting cuk converters
05:27:15 <Nothing\> :P
05:28:26 <Nothing\> ah, 3 amp step down regulator
05:29:12 <Nothing\> see, this is why it's so damn hardto find an MCU to buy without a simple chart of specs comparing common ones
05:29:21 <Nothing\> the datasheets are hundreds of pages each
05:29:55 <steve30> o/
05:30:29 <Nothing\> heya steve-o
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05:33:22 <steve30> My mum is wondering if the 5G has been turned up lately as she has been feeling a bit woozy
05:33:23 <steve30> :/
05:37:24 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
05:37:34 * Ampera pets steve30 with some photons
05:37:46 <steve30> :)
05:38:03 <Ampera> deciding what I want to eat
05:38:12 <Ampera> got the car, so anything's game
05:38:14 * electrohead throws tube steak towards Ampera
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05:43:57 <Ampera> Chinese it is
05:44:16 <Ampera> I just made a phone order for a restaurant that I'm currently looking at from the car
05:52:03 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
05:52:13 <Nothing\> guess what
05:53:35 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstoEuhjtNo
05:53:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Poompf | Brad Neely’s Harg Nallin’ Sclopio Peepio | Adult Swim
05:53:40 <steve30> I had some left over chinese the other day
05:53:42 * electrohead dies laughing
05:54:34 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind some chinese
05:54:37 <Nothing\> "chinese"
05:54:38 <Nothing\> lol
05:54:59 <Nothing\> it's still good though, regardless of its authenticity
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05:55:33 <Nothing\> i just know when i had chinese roommates, they cooked with either anise or that other spice that smells like black licorice
05:55:40 <Nothing\> i can't remember
05:55:58 <Nothing\> but it always smelled strongly of anise when they cooked
05:56:14 <Nothing\> and sometimes theyd' have live animals in the sink
05:56:29 <Nothing\> i came home the one time and there were 2 live turtles in the sink
05:56:32 <Nothing\> lol
05:57:01 <Nothing\> not as confusing though as the time i went on a bender and woke up to find a dog in my house (after the chinese guys moved out btw lol)
05:57:22 <Nothing\> turned out my roommate at the time decided to watch his friend's dog and didn't even consult me
05:57:31 <Nothing\> i told him to get fucked and stole his food
05:57:44 <Nothing\> cuz he always wanted me to watch the dog when he was at work
05:57:50 <Nothing\> for no compensation
05:58:01 <Nothing\> he just assumed i was on disability so i had nothing better to do
05:58:11 <Nothing\> sorry, i'm starting to rant
05:58:20 <Nothing\> not in a great mood today
05:58:45 <Nothing\> maybe i'll take some of my anxiety meds
05:59:24 <Nothing\> these things are killing me mentally
06:00:20 <Nothing\> wow i just noticed this comment i left on this youtube video has 4.3k likes
06:00:56 <Nothing\> but only like 60 replies. i didn't think it'd be anywhere near that many likes. didn't really care since i didn't check until just now
06:01:03 <Nothing\> but i'm kind of impressed
06:06:12 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVHiE_g-IAc&lc=UgwOiMKqVvQUPSoiU0p4AaABAg.9Vl_ZEvi1BH9Vljzpw6IwL
06:06:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Burnaby RCMP share scary dash-cam video of drunk driving
06:06:17 <Nothing\> this IS scary
06:08:20 <Nothing\> huh, what do think guys? would this be worth getting? or should i just buy a real function generator?
06:08:22 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/Generator-Precision-Function-Frequency-1HZ%E2%80%91500KHz/dp/B08J87ZNFF/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=function+generator&qid=1639336057&sr=8-5
06:08:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.ca Something Went Wrong / Quelque chose s'est mal passé
06:08:35 <Nothing\> this seems about one step above those ones you put together yourself
06:10:00 <Nothing\> alternatively, I would probably get this one
06:10:02 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/Generator-Multi-Functional-Frequency-Arbitrary-Generators/dp/B082V6XGFW/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=function+generator&qid=1639336057&sr=8-10
06:10:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Amazon.ca Something Went Wrong / Quelque chose s'est mal passé
06:11:04 <Nothing\> i don't like that it doesn't use a standard ATX cable though
06:11:23 <Nothing\> it's nice having all of my bench equipment using the same type of cable
06:22:46 <Ampera> Nothing\, guess what what
06:23:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, wussat?
06:24:31 <Ampera> no you asked me guess what
06:24:39 <Nothing\> yes, guess what
06:24:46 <Ampera> idfk
06:24:51 <Nothing\> chicken cloaca
06:25:27 <Nothing\> seriously though, i went down a bit more on my methadone
06:25:49 <Nothing\> i'm at an even 70mg now, but i'm gonna stay here for a few weeks i think and let my body get used to it
06:26:35 <Nothing\> i just figured i felt nothing from going down to 73mg, which i guess is ideal anyways. But also that i probably leave more than 7mg in the bottle when i'm done anyways so what's another 3mg
06:27:33 <Nothing\> i just hope my depression doesn't catch my off guard while this is messing with my head or something and i end up flipping out or something of that nature
06:27:52 <Nothing\> if it messes with my head. I dunno what to expect.
06:28:15 <Nothing\> but i've been told if you do it right you don't feel a thing
06:31:51 <steve30> hm, apparently my grandma's paracetamol tablets 'contains paracetamol'. That's useful to know :)
06:45:04 <Nothing\> damn dude
06:45:07 <Nothing\> i never woulda guessed
06:45:14 <Nothing\> good thing they put that on there
06:45:34 <Nothing\> anywho, good news. I found the attiny85 chip that i have here
06:47:07 <Nothing\> bad news though, it's a SOP chip on a board with some sort of serial USB chip. And headers thta need to be soldered on. Which I haven't got a chisel tip, or a soldering iron that gets hot enough to heat anything enough to melt solder onto it. So I'm screwed until I order these THT versions of it. What a damn tease :/
06:47:57 <Nothing\> it is kinda nice that it has a usb header on it though. I wonder if you could use that to program it with the arduino ide
06:48:40 <Nothing\> although the chip also has pins for VCC and ground. unless that's for the circuit it's driving
06:49:06 <Nothing\> i should try to program something onto it with the usb port and see what happens
06:59:53 <Nothing\> yeah, lookin at this chart, it seems like the attiny45 is my best bet in terms of through hole versions of attiny ics
07:00:26 <Nothing\> unless i use an adapter pcb, but i won't even consider that until i get a temperature controlled soldering iron
07:01:09 <Nothing\> i don't even want to solder headers onto PCBs without a proper soldering iron, or at the very least, a chisel tip
07:05:28 <arch> this would make a PERFECT reflow oven https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07N9KMQLJ
07:05:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
07:06:57 <arch> although...stuffing in control circuitry within is gonna be a challenge
07:11:46 <Nothing\> bah had to cancel plans with my old friend again
07:12:11 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
07:12:21 <Nothing\> i feel so bad. Even though I have a genuine excuse. I still feel like I'm coming off as a flake, or like i'm avoiding him
07:12:49 <Nothing\> nevermind a reflow oven though. I want a kiln.
07:13:43 <Nothing\> I was trying to burn the carbon off of some ash i had the other day and it was slow going using just a Bic heating it in a steel strainer from below
07:14:06 <Nothing\> it works, but takes forever and you really shouldn't keep a bic lit longer than a minute or so
07:14:09 <Nothing\> even that's pushing it
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07:45:27 <jaymax> Buy a piece of land out her in the East Coast, and build a kiln into a hill. Also build a house into the hill, nearby - so you can use it as a Wood Doctor too Nothing\.
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07:48:10 <jaymax> Should find a good price within the Lantz-Uniacke-Noel triangle.
07:55:33 <Some_Person> Goodwill stuff; bought an early Sound Blaster: https://imgur.com/a/IG5WCIM
07:55:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
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08:25:25 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/retv8l/me_irl/
08:25:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
08:25:30 <electrohead> I'd totally do this
08:38:05 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVblog - www.eevblog.tv
08:38:05 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Fri Jan 24 20:18:27 2020
08:51:16 <steve30> lol
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09:01:02 <electrohead> steve30: you would too, yes? :p
09:02:00 <Nothing\> weird
09:02:16 <Nothing\> i got this hexchat plugin, but it's in C or C++
09:02:23 <Nothing\> i dunno how that's supposed to work
09:04:47 <Nothing\> i really weird like to learn to write something in python for hexchat or some other language like perl
09:14:09 <electrohead> steve30: we would just sit there, drinking beer, and getting wet
09:14:13 <electrohead> what's better than that? lol
09:14:29 <electrohead> Nothing\: since you weren't here when I posted the link - https://old.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/retv8l/me_irl/
09:14:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
09:16:20 <Nothing\> lol
09:36:04 <jaymax> Gotta have that thumb on the bottle.
09:38:17 <electrohead> something like that
09:44:14 <Nothing\> hey jay
09:44:20 <Nothing\> do me a favor
09:44:43 <Nothing\> go to shopper's and get me some of those big marshmallows on a stick covered in white chocolate and candy cane bits
09:45:01 <Nothing\> i'm so addicted to these damn things and i just ate like my 6th one this week
09:45:21 <Nothing\> in other words, i'm out
09:45:33 <Nothing\> gotta eat as many as i can before the holidays are up and i can't get em anymore :P
09:46:25 <Nothing\> i used to do that bad with those candy coated chocolate eggs with the malt inside. Like candy coated whoppers/malteasers
09:47:15 <Nothing\> i'd go through like 3 or 4 kilos a week during the easter season. Until I lost too many teeth to eat them. Which was totally unrelated, i swear.
09:47:31 <Nothing\> though probably not unrelated to my beetus lol
09:49:18 <Nothing\> man this place has been dead lately. What gives
09:49:28 <Nothing\> holidays? I guess.
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09:50:08 <doggyrat> hello
09:55:33 <electrohead> y0
09:56:11 <doggyrat> here there will be more people awake
09:56:51 <electrohead> yup
09:57:07 <electrohead> then again, it's sunday night/monday night and morning for a few people, etc
10:02:12 <doggyrat> i was thinking about making a small wifi network using esp8266 connecting to each a microphone , if the peek is high it will send its id and an timestamp to the server
10:03:32 <doggyrat> that way i do not have any delay in the generation of the timestamp and checking the value of the pin to which the microphone exit is connected too
10:03:57 <doggyrat> it should just indicate that there was a noise
10:04:31 <doggyrat> having 3 clients and one server i could define the direction of the noise
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10:15:26 <EEVBot> It is currently 2021/12/13 10:15:26 at the EEVBlog lab.
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10:49:32 <T3sl4> hi arch
10:49:37 <arch> hi
10:50:18 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:50:31 * T3sl4 shakes Halcyon's hand
10:50:38 <Halcyon> Why is it sticky?
10:50:46 <arch> :3
10:50:48 <T3sl4> it's your hand, you tell me
10:50:52 <Halcyon> :P
10:50:53 * T3sl4 washes up after that
10:51:05 <arch> maybe he is a honey harvester
10:51:49 <T3sl4> milk more likely
10:52:12 <Halcyon> Bahaha
10:52:40 <arch> touche
10:55:42 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon
10:55:46 <Halcyon> YAY
10:55:51 <Halcyon> Hello Steve
11:00:54 * steve30 coffees
11:02:37 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/YXjRjH0.png
11:02:57 <T3sl4> pondering your borb
11:03:05 <Halcyon> Hahaha
11:03:11 <Halcyon> Cute
11:08:08 * steve30 meows at Jerry
11:10:45 <Halcyon> Ksssst, get away cat
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11:15:51 <steve30> i really need to buy new headphones
11:17:24 * arch starts yelling in steve30's ear with a megaphone
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11:24:21 * Ampera performs numerous crimes against humanity, and then hugs Halcyon
11:24:49 <Halcyon> Hello Ampera
11:24:58 <Ampera> hi HAL, how are you?
11:25:09 <Halcyon> I'm OK, how are you?
11:25:19 <Ampera> I just woke up
11:25:31 <Halcyon> Did you have a nap?
11:25:39 <Ampera> bit long for a lap
11:25:46 <Halcyon> Did you pass out?
11:25:47 <Halcyon> :P
11:26:16 <Ampera> I had a sleep
11:26:40 <Ampera> chinese food induced coma
11:26:56 <Halcyon> Ahh that old chestnut
11:28:29 <jaymacks> Water chestnut?
11:28:30 <Halcyon> It's my 13th anniversary of being in my job this week
11:28:33 <Halcyon> I feel like an old fart
11:28:59 <steve30> Halcyon, our recent mask-wearing regulations have been amended to include an exemption for people "for whom it is reasonably necessary to sing".
11:29:09 <Halcyon> Makes sense
11:29:22 <jaymax> Ahh, the song of life.
11:29:25 <Halcyon> We are getting rid of masks completely this week, except for hospitals and public transport
11:29:58 <steve30> aww, but that means you won't be able to arrest the maskless
11:30:06 <steve30> well, unless they're on a bus
11:30:22 <Halcyon> I believe the unvaxxed will still be subject to those restrictions
11:30:28 <Halcyon> Which also makes sense
11:30:35 <jaymax> Jail the jabless?
11:31:07 <Halcyon> Meh, they'll kill themselves off naturally anyway
11:31:15 <Ampera> NY has just instituted a new broad spectrum mask mandate
11:31:24 <Ampera> masks are required for everyone now, vaccinated or not
11:31:45 <Ampera> really loving our new governor >.>
11:31:47 <Halcyon> Some places in Australia haven't needed masks for a while now. ACT (Canberra) being one of them.
11:32:01 <jaymax> About time for balaclacva weather anyway, right Ampera?
11:32:04 <Halcyon> Most people are vaccinated so it's really not a big deal
11:32:41 <Ampera> most people here are also vaccinated
11:32:47 <Ampera> I think we're at 80% of the whole population
11:32:53 <Ampera> which is honestly quite impressive
11:33:04 <Halcyon> It's a solid effort for sure
11:33:20 <Ampera> but you know, politicians like their power hardons and making everyone wear a mask just tickles their egos
11:33:46 <jaymax> Especially whjen they find ways to exemot themselves.
11:34:04 <Ampera> of course, rules for thee, not for me.
11:34:51 <Halcyon> Politicians aren't exempt from the health regulations here
11:34:56 <Ampera> well, what should one expect from a governor who just participated in making gerrymandering not just legal, but mandatory.
11:34:57 <jaymax> I heard that strategy went tits up in the UK. Plan B got fucked becuase of Boris' Xmas party.
11:35:08 <Halcyon> The moment someone is spotted without one, the news go mental. It really looks poorly on them.
11:35:21 <Halcyon> Our former prime minister was fined by police for not wearing a mask
11:35:32 <Ampera> honestly that's a good look
11:35:41 <Ampera> if you want to scare people into doing something, fining the prime minister isn't bad
11:36:02 <Halcyon> https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-prime-minister-tony-abbott-responds-after-nsw-police-fine-him/ar-AAOjSJp
11:36:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tony Abbott fined by NSW Police
11:36:11 <Ampera> shows the police to be unyielding brutes ready to piss on anyone's parade.
11:36:30 <Halcyon> One rule for all
11:36:36 <Halcyon> Doesn't matter who you are
11:37:09 <jaymax> IMO that Omicron variant is the kind of hail mary for leaders to protect their re-election by citing "the science has changed - we've defeated the virus".
11:37:26 <Halcyon> It's not about being brutes, it's about treating everyone fairly. You can't have one rule and enforcement for the general population, whilst those in high positions getting away with whatever they want. Doesn't work that way.
11:38:18 <Halcyon> It's also what the community expect. To not take action would be seen as negelct of duty or even corruption.
11:38:23 <Halcyon> *neglect
11:38:51 <Ampera> wear the face nappy, bigot
11:39:02 <Halcyon> I will... when I go shopping later
11:39:04 <steve30> I think most people here won't take our government seriously any more on Covid. But I'm finding that even people who have previously supported restrictions, lockdowns, and jabs, are now saying they will not tolerate it any more.
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11:39:34 <jaymax> Yeah that was my assessment of the news steve30
11:39:51 <Halcyon> I get that Steve, but that's because a lot of people feel the need to protest and carry on like porkchops. Single-handedly that's a good way to ensure restrictions are extended longer. Melbourne is a prime example of that.
11:39:56 <Ampera> because we're moving up on the 2 year anniversary and despite all the vaccines and progress, are no closer to getting our civil liberties back.
11:40:02 <Halcyon> People are now protesting about the protestors because they are a bunch of fuckwits.
11:40:46 <Ampera> we're at the point where we have all the protections we're gonna have. Sending people through a constant spiral of restrictions is just proving that this is the new status quo, and we will never get past this point in time.
11:41:29 <Ampera> fuck I hate authoritarians
11:41:42 <Halcyon> Ampera, once the general population is vaccinated, lockdowns and similar restrictions are pointless. Which is why we've lifted most of them with the last of them to be gone this week (mostly). We've been getting back to normal months ago. It's the only way forward.
11:41:46 <steve30> Masks have to be worn at "Sexual Entertainment Venues", but not at businesses which primarily provides "devices for the recreational inhalation of nicotine or any other substance".
11:41:52 <Ampera> The general population /is/ vaccinated.
11:41:52 <Halcyon> On the plus side, the economy is also doing rather well.
11:41:57 <Halcyon> 80% isn't enough
11:41:58 <Ampera> So what the fuck are we still doing here
11:42:12 <Ampera> It's as good as we're gonna get.
11:42:18 <Halcyon> Oh well
11:42:32 <Ampera> Our economy is in the toilet
11:42:33 <jaymax> > IMO that Omicron variant is the kind of hail mary for leaders to protect their re-election by citing "the science has changed - we've defeated the virus".
11:42:59 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to go shopping and to the hardware store. It's gorgeous outside today.
11:43:00 <Ampera> We injected steroids and coke into the economy and are now dealing with the horrible withdrawal that comes from just printing money
11:44:04 * Halcyon injects Ampera with a substance
11:44:17 * Ampera pops a cap in Halcyon's ass
11:44:59 <Halcyon> I already have an owwie when a hot shell hit my in the head the other day
11:45:07 <Halcyon> *me
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11:45:41 <jaymax> As Judge Andrew Napolitano says, "Libido Dominate" to the clowns who spend their entire career sucking the government tit.
11:46:11 <jaymax> I've discovered the Gerald Celente videos BTW.
11:46:39 <jaymax> He's the Joe Pesci economist. lol
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11:51:00 <coppice> "The will to power" - with current energy prices I might well be leaving some power in my will
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12:21:32 <arch> what's the smallest low voltage optocoupler i can get? is there one sized about 0805 or 1206?
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12:25:20 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/sUcqAi7.jpg
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12:27:33 <arch> T3sl4, https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cute-little-fang
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12:32:03 <jaymacks> Closing the loop https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/350/479/97b.jpg
12:32:33 <arch> HAHA!
12:32:45 <arch> or rather... *wheezeeeee*
12:32:58 <arch> or squeal, or whatever he did
12:33:01 <arch> i think he died
12:33:06 <arch> covid
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15:58:42 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/i8rSPno.mp4
15:59:06 <Ampera> I hate you.
15:59:16 <T3sl4> I love you.
15:59:36 <T3sl4> also somehow in the dump, electrohead: https://i.imgur.com/bauFWfd.jpg
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18:57:41 * Halcyon licks Ampera
19:10:37 <hsn> ew licked Ampera
19:10:49 <Halcyon> Licked Ampera is a moist Ampera
19:11:16 <hsn> moist Ampera is a EEW Ampera
19:11:37 * T3sl4 licks hsn with a mechanical licking machine
19:11:59 <hsn> water only please
19:12:07 <hsn> liquir licking is haram
19:12:28 <Halcyon> Well I'm out there
19:12:32 <Halcyon> I've had wine
19:13:13 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/dTGZBmL.jpg
19:18:11 <Halcyon> That guy looks like he needs to chillaz
19:18:14 <Halcyon> *chillax
19:18:52 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/Ftuq106
19:18:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - It's a Monday (OC) - Album on Imgur
19:52:39 <K> hello rudolphs
21:01:07 <T3sl4> hey, rein it in
21:06:34 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Anyone know about thsi weak signal propagation stuff and this database? #MH370 https://t.co/vob3OW4BXJ
21:21:25 <hsn> wife made me lunch box that contains field pumpkins .. now i know she loves me
21:22:16 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Full Self Driving LOL https://t.co/g0wUkDUDcd
21:34:03 <K> what is a field pumpkin?
21:34:09 <K> is that safe to google>
21:34:11 <K> ?
21:52:12 <jaymacks> I don't know what is considered meals these days, but I presume field pumpkin-squash is safe.
21:52:38 <T3sl4> i assume that's either just plain old prepared pumpkin, or decorative little ones
21:53:06 <jaymacks> https://chat.chinwag.im/files/d97ca10f-70d5-4a24-99bd-16fe6485d389/kl1_AQn8RMyPV64jHEYMhg.jpg
21:53:27 <jaymacks> But different things happen these days.
21:54:02 <T3sl4> isn't that that city in germany?
21:54:56 <jaymacks> Colon?
21:55:14 <K> no, it is a type of aftershave thing
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22:06:49 <hsn> K: shame on u not knowing field pumpkins
22:08:33 <hsn> Cucurbita pepo
22:09:42 <T3sl4> pepo! https://i.redd.it/zqd26f1n4id61.png
22:10:47 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/rqzkeid
22:10:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
22:11:07 <hsn> Idk the name of this thing in english
22:12:01 <hsn> Zuchini?
22:12:08 <hsn> Field pumpkin?
22:12:26 <hsn> Cucurbita pepo?
22:12:39 <hsn> But fried ^ = woho
22:13:28 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/wR5E5jQ8ck9e9n9z9
22:14:48 <T3sl4> zucchini (cucumberlike appearance but bigger, tougher?) or summer squash (yellow, more bulbous), yes
22:15:24 <hsn> This one exactly this one: https://imgur.com/a/rqzkeid
22:15:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
22:15:50 <hsn> Zuchini pictures are dark green it looks little different
22:16:02 <T3sl4> we don't usually have that exact variety then
22:16:59 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/7dQea63bazK2uuHW7
22:17:57 <T3sl4> yeah
22:19:22 <hsn> Do u eat it fried?
22:19:57 <hsn> Or cooked in boiled water also .. not bad .. but fried is the best
22:20:25 <T3sl4> ye
22:24:18 <jaymacks> It's all squash. But the zucchini varieties are amazing to shred for a bruschetta base.
22:27:03 <T3sl4> surprisingly good for baking too. shred into a shortbread mix like it's banana or carrot bread and you get extra moistness
22:27:27 <jaymax> Yeah good there too. :D
22:34:48 <hsn> Ethyl alcohol is great for electronics repair or it has to be isopropyl
22:34:58 <T3sl4> it's fine
22:37:12 <Halcyon> Mew
22:37:25 <T3sl4> rho
22:38:22 <Halcyon> I should probably go to bed
22:38:30 <T3sl4> go to bread
22:38:36 <Halcyon> Mmmm carbs
22:46:53 <Halcyon> Nighty night all
22:47:01 * T3sl4 huggles Halcyon
23:39:34 * electrohead slaps Halcyon
23:40:39 <electrohead> T3sl4: that picture from earlier, lol
23:41:01 * T3sl4 beers electrohead
23:44:54 <electrohead> not in the morning
23:45:19 <T3sl4> :P
23:49:06 <electrohead> :P
23:50:42 <jaymax> Just make sure these hybrids aren't combined with bear genes, and we'll be fine. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-creates-humanized-pigs-be-used-covid-research
23:50:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - China Creates "Humanized Pigs" To Be Used In COVID Research | ZeroHedge
23:50:58 <jaymax> Al Gore, don't be so serial!
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