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00:07:12 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, I am very fine actually. though a bit annoyed because it seems like I am breaking a principle of myself
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00:07:23 <Ysjoelfir> or a promise to myself or however you want to call that
00:07:30 <Ampera> what is that
00:08:02 <Ysjoelfir> a promise? I dunno, heard that word once, and thought it would fit here
00:08:13 <Ampera> I'm gonna break your hands
00:08:36 <Ysjoelfir> please dont
00:08:47 <Ampera> Then tell me what I wanna know!
00:09:39 <Ysjoelfir> I think I fell in love again shortly after breaking up. I actually promised to myself to not do that as I want to learn more about how I handle life alone.
00:09:56 <Ampera> you broke up?
00:09:58 <Ampera> or is this a meme
00:10:10 <Ysjoelfir> no, its reality. so yes, I did
00:10:29 <Ampera> With your fiance from Texas?
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00:10:32 <Ysjoelfir> yep
00:10:41 <Ampera> damn, I hadn't heard that. Sorry to hear it.
00:10:56 <Ysjoelfir> nah I'm fine. it was my wish
00:11:12 <Ampera> Lead with your happiness.
00:11:26 <Ampera> In the end, there is little else that matters in ths world.
00:12:40 <Ysjoelfir> which is probably why my brain thought "this girl I met here... she's so nice, we understand each other, she also just broke up with her husband..... also doesn't want to get into a new relationship shortly.... great idea to fall in love!"
00:15:43 <Ampera> Love is a concept I have never experienced, and one I'm not sure I can. I've always tried to give advice, but I'm afraid it's typically quite basic.
00:15:54 <Ampera> The sort of stuff you can tell yourself, but maybe is better heard being told to you by other people
00:16:14 <Ampera> but really all I can say is, you are the one person most experienced in your situation and most capable of deciding how you want to proceed.
00:20:25 <Ysjoelfir> Thats actually a pretty nice thing to hear
00:20:52 <Ampera> I'm an expert bullshit artist.
00:21:20 <Ysjoelfir> and yeah, I think I should proceed that way. We are very.... compatible. Also, her doughter seems to like me a lot, what is a very nice feeling actually. I never experienced anything like that before :D
00:21:46 <Ampera> That's everything.
00:21:53 <Ampera> I still do not get along well with my dad's fiance.
00:22:08 <Ampera> I was never introduced, and she basically started living here out of the blue.
00:22:26 <Ysjoelfir> ouch
00:22:36 <Ampera> She never really made contact, and all I ever heard of here were rumors my dad basically started which made her seem like an actually dangerous person.
00:23:14 <Ampera> what really stung was my dad talked to my mom and her dad (my grandfather who I am very close with) a lot more about her than he ever did with me.
00:24:11 <Ysjoelfir> thats very not ideal I can immagine. sorry to hear that :( I can immagine that being very..... hard, kinda. and also pretty unsettling, as it must feel like he doesnt realy care about what you think. Meh.
00:24:29 <Ampera> hah, I got accused of not caring about what he thinks when I got mad about it.
00:24:37 <Ampera> this all to say, you're doing good already.
00:26:23 <Ysjoelfir> well, sure, it kinda is his decision who he loves. but its very hard for everyone if there is suddenly a new loved one in the family. we decided that we only consider going onwards after I was introduced to her daughter and only if she likes me. last sunday we went to the zoo together and after a while she (the daughter) grabbed my hand and walked at my side, and when we parted that evening she said "Kaaaaiiii? Will you meet a
00:26:24 <Ysjoelfir> hug you? You seem to like mummy a lot, please give her a hug, dady doesn't do that anymore."
00:26:36 <Ysjoelfir> which basically dictates how we will go on I think
00:26:51 <Ampera> that's fucking adorable.
00:27:11 <Ysjoelfir> it is, I was crying like crazy xD
00:27:58 <Ampera> All this weighs heaviest on my mind this time of year. Christmas is going to be another shitshow.
00:28:06 <Ampera> Nobody really knows how to run it, and nobody is talking.
00:28:11 <Ysjoelfir> naw, I'm sorry :/
00:28:20 <Ampera> but one thing is sure, attending isn't an option, and not attending isn't an option
00:28:54 <Ysjoelfir> I can see why that might be a problem
00:29:16 <Ampera> Make sure you find happiness for yourself. Having nobody, love or otherwise, is a pain which will destroy you.
00:29:30 <Ampera> That's the best thing you can ever do for yourself.
00:32:03 <Ysjoelfir> I will try.
00:34:19 <Ampera> btw, this weekend I'm going to put together a package full of tea and other random food goodies for you Ysjoelfir
00:34:27 <Ampera> I already have the tea, I'll ask for your address later.
00:34:29 <Ampera> It will come via DHL
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00:34:52 <Ampera> I'm hoping it makes it by christmas, but even DHL often can't get it all through in time.
00:35:14 <Ysjoelfir> oh realy? that is so nice of you, Ampera :) If I can do something good for you please tell me.
00:35:37 <Ampera> Enjoy it, that's all I care about.
00:35:55 <Ampera> The rest of the holiday has been ruined for me, but I genuinely enjoy being able to make other people happy.
00:36:04 <Ysjoelfir> I will. and if I am not online when you need the Adress you can ask K, he has it.
00:36:24 <Ysjoelfir> I do enjoy making others happy as well, so.... if there is something I can do for you just tell me :)
00:36:52 <Ampera> whatever you send me just make sure there it doesn't get brathered.
00:37:04 <Ysjoelfir> XD
00:37:49 <Ampera> In other news, I'm now thinking again of designing my own keyboard
00:37:58 <K> oh no, not again
00:38:12 <Ampera> I love my Tactile Pro 4, but there's a lot of things I'd rather change about the layout.
00:38:58 <K> i swear by apples wired aluminium keyboards
00:39:14 <K> sadly they are out of production :/
00:39:14 <Ampera> Funnily enough, this one actually shows up as a mac keyboard
00:39:37 <Ampera> https://matias.ca/aluminum/mac/
00:39:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Matias Wired Aluminum Keyboard for Mac
00:39:49 <Ampera> matias is basically the place to go for apple-like keyboards
00:39:56 <Ysjoelfir> we make a nice wired apple style keyboard
00:40:07 <Ampera> I have no idea how good this one is, I primarily like clicky keys
00:40:16 <Ampera> the matias click switch is my favorite mechanical keyswitch
00:40:37 <Ampera> That would probably be the main hurdle with making my own keyboard, making keycaps and the housing
00:40:55 <K> oh. this looks nice
00:41:11 <K> link, Ysjoelfir ?
00:41:16 <Ampera> https://matias.ca/products/
00:41:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Matias Products
00:41:19 <Ampera> they have all sorts of stuff
00:41:30 <Ampera> http://matias.ca/tactilepro4/ is my <3
00:41:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Matias Tactile Pro
00:41:48 <Ampera> I've actually ordered one to give my brother for christmas.
00:42:10 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.amazon.de/KeySonic-Tastatur-Aluminium-Wei%C3%9Fen-Tasten/dp/B07RJFSHW9?th=1
00:42:11 <EEVBot> [Title] -
00:42:52 <Ampera> hrm, I need to go make more tea
00:43:11 <K> yours is missing F16-F19 :/
00:43:15 * Ysjoelfir has vanilla coke
00:43:39 <Ysjoelfir> the heck do you need that for?
00:43:41 <K> i have screenshot taking bound to F19
00:43:47 <K> it is very convenient
00:44:03 <Ysjoelfir> ah, I see
00:44:05 <K> and some other appls to others
00:44:15 <K> it is good because i do not have to move my mouse hand far
00:44:55 <Ysjoelfir> well, the reason for that is, that its also sold for windows, with just other keycaps and firmware. but yeah, I can see how that can be a showstopper if you indeed need that
00:45:08 <Ampera> it's snowing
00:45:09 <Ampera> I blame K
00:45:28 <K> i take no blame for it
00:45:42 <Ysjoelfir> it has been snowing the whole night. now its all gone again
00:45:45 <Ampera> you'll take it and you'll like it
00:45:45 <K> we've had our fair share here, now it is your turn to miserrate.
00:47:17 <K> :|
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00:51:51 <Kuschelpony> booster vaccination and proud of it
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00:53:11 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/22b8pje
00:53:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Attention Required! | Cloudflare
00:53:18 <Ampera> I seem to have color emoji rendering on hexchat now
00:53:22 <Ampera> very interesting
00:53:49 <Lartza> In the end, emojis are just fonts
00:54:15 <Ampera> They're a bit more special than that, as most fonts are not designed to be colored images.
00:55:10 <Lartza> Well yes but from the software programmer's perspection GTK(What HexChat is built on) should handle them like all text
00:55:26 <Lartza> Assuming the operating system otherwise can do colored emojis elsewhere
00:55:37 <Lartza> But yeah it's a bit complicated :S
00:56:14 <Lartza> I think my IRC client hacks in colored emojis for instance, AdiIRC
00:56:26 <Lartza> They require a plugin and are stored as images in a folder
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01:14:04 <Ampera> HexChat is GTK2 interestingly enough
01:14:07 <Ampera> I think
01:14:21 <Ampera> I'm not really sure now, as I think it's using my GTK3 theme
01:14:38 <Ampera> text rendering is its own special kind of nightmare
01:15:26 <K> eew gtk
01:15:48 <Some_Person> Ampera: Indeed, it is GTK2
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01:51:16 <arch> aws is back online. now the pain and suffering begins again :D
01:56:18 <Ysjoelfir> what is it with all the awwwwwws?
01:58:40 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, did you not hear? us-east-1 was a complete shitshow yesterday
01:58:55 <Ysjoelfir> I dont even know what useasteone is
01:59:28 <Ampera> pretty much the main datacenter for all of AWS, and it had some massive fuckup that cause all the management panels to break, and shut down a load of Amazon services.
01:59:39 <Ysjoelfir> ah
01:59:40 <Ysjoelfir> cool
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02:22:06 <electrohead> good
02:22:07 <electrohead> lol
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02:32:38 <Ysjoelfir> el
02:32:40 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead
02:33:04 <electrohead> ja?
02:33:37 <Ysjoelfir> please ensure that my head stops aching
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02:37:42 <K> high blood pressure, Ysjoelfir ?
02:37:57 <K> or lack of oxygen
02:38:11 <K> or tea/caffeine whithdrawal
02:38:15 <Ysjoelfir> no, just annoyed by noise noise noise noise. we have people fixing the alarm system at work
02:38:24 <K> ah, that sucks
02:38:28 <K> cant you go work from home?
02:38:52 <Ysjoelfir> don't get me started....
02:39:02 <Ysjoelfir> its a miracle that we are even allowed to have 2 days of home office
02:39:24 <Ysjoelfir> since... you know.... its german corona law to ensure that people can do home office. but mr. bigboss doesn't care
02:39:34 <Ysjoelfir> and my days are monday and tuesday
02:39:50 <K> that sucks
02:40:25 <Ysjoelfir> definitely
02:40:42 <K> otoh i do not have much to complain about, i have whole office room mostly for myself
02:41:08 <K> which is about half size of my apartment
02:42:33 <Ysjoelfir> our office is.... ok ish
02:42:44 <Ysjoelfir> but hey, i am done with work in 18 minutes
02:43:23 <arch> 18 mins of looking at memes
02:43:45 <Ysjoelfir> more like... 18 minutes of pretending to do something
02:43:59 <Ysjoelfir> and browsing the amazon
02:48:02 <K> well, amazon is not going to browse it self now, is it?
02:49:42 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
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03:33:00 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I can only help so much :p
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05:04:50 <Kuschelpony> hmm https://es.wallapop.com/item/osciloscop-gm-5650-philips-522331615
05:04:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Osciloscop GM 5650 Philips de segunda mano por 20 EUR en Balaguer en WALLAPOP
05:05:30 <Kuschelpony> doies anyone of you speak spanish, please?
05:06:04 <DHess_US> No habla.
05:08:04 <Sigyn> It doesn't work
05:09:11 <Kuschelpony> oh well i have estimated that its defective, but if i understand right for 20€ thats a repair project for me
05:11:06 <Sigyn> yes
05:12:54 <coppice> That's a real museum piece
05:13:12 <coppice> I wonder how old it is?
05:14:15 <Kuschelpony> 1956
05:14:30 <coppice> This https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/philips_oszillograph_gm5650gm_565.html says 1955, but with a question mark. Sounds about right
05:14:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Oszillograph GM5650 Equipment Philips; Eindhoven tubes international
05:14:53 <Kuschelpony> i have schematics and book description of it, its a unique combination of features
05:15:05 <Kuschelpony> there are at least 4 revisions
05:15:22 <coppice> I wonder why that kind of paint finish completely disappeared?
05:15:27 <Kuschelpony> its even DC coupled
05:23:05 <hsn> hello wizards
05:23:28 <hsn> i built a capacitive touch wheel .. and its acting wierd on me ..
05:24:13 <hsn> it get less sensitive when my finger is on both the gnd plane + the sense pad
05:24:31 <hsn> than when my finger just on pad not touching the gnd plane solder mask.
05:25:27 <hsn> https://imgur.com/a/4FyUCUS
05:25:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
05:26:03 <hsn> and sometimes it doesnt get triggered at all ..
05:27:11 <hsn> the pins are connected to MCU arduino .. (digital out = 1) -> (input mode) -> (pulldown) -> (turn off interrupts) -> (measure how many cycles for input to become low)
05:28:02 <hsn> so any theories of whats going on :) ? my pads are crap ?
05:30:56 <coppice> I think your sensing technique is more crappy than your pads
05:31:22 <hsn> hmmm
05:32:10 <hsn> i dont have adc pin ..
05:32:31 <hsn> and its one pin connected to pads .. through series resistor
05:32:48 <hsn> this should be replaced ?
05:33:50 <hsn> i cant think of another way tbh
05:34:28 <coppice> There are many ways used commercially, and none are what you have done
05:35:04 <hsn> like using sense chip ?
05:38:16 <hsn> i was more into building it my self than using a chip .. to teach my self somthing..
05:39:25 <hsn> the only way i think about is to use the "other pads" as recieve pads .. to know slider position .. but i first wanted to build the pads in solo mode .. like single cap pads
05:43:20 <DHess_US> When your finger is over both, it couples to both and the ground coupling reduces the signal.
05:43:39 <DHess_US> What you are picking up is 50/60 Hz AC capacitive coupling into the sense pad.
05:44:11 <hsn> oh it works well when i lick my finger lol
05:44:27 <DHess_US> Real capacitive sensors use a higher frequency, and measure the change in capacitive coupling from the pad to earth when your finger approaches. That isn't what you are measuring.
05:45:02 <DHess_US> What you are doing *can* work, but not in that way.
05:45:11 <DHess_US> Old touch lamps work like you are trying.
05:46:16 <hsn> DHess_US, to "earth" ?
05:47:45 <DHess_US> Earth ground capacitively couples to you, and your finger capacitively couples that to the pad.
05:47:47 <hsn> non mutual capacitance that is right ?
05:48:17 <DHess_US> But your circuit is relying on 50/60 Hz capacitively coupling to you, and to the pad through your finger which is more problematical.
05:49:08 <hsn> if it was powered by battery .. it would be isolated from the 50/60 hz and hence ok ?
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05:50:44 <hsn> so if i set one pad to PWM .. and the 2 other near it as recieve pads .. that would be real capacitive sensor ?
05:51:37 <hsn> like 2KHz or somthing .. eh .. or thats low ?
05:53:09 <DHess_US> I'm not sure what frequency they use, but at a higher frequency you can drive every pad and measure the capacitance of every pad to Earth ground.
05:53:27 <DHess_US> As the finger approaches, it shorts out the pad capacitively.
05:54:07 <hsn> but isnt using "mutual capacitance" ie gnd plane is better for small distance measurment ?
05:54:25 <DHess_US> Some sensors work that way.
05:54:57 <DHess_US> But the "case" of the device will couple into the other hand, or the palm of the hand, so the finger can be considered grounded.
05:55:18 <DHess_US> So you have pads on the front, and one big pad which is the rest of the case.
05:55:47 <DHess_US> The case couples to either the person holding it, or to the earth and then to the person holding it.
05:55:52 <hsn> i was trying to do that instead of using earth ground .. because tbh when i was researching i didnt understand how it will detect me to gnd if i was on airplane or using isolated battery powered system
05:56:12 <DHess_US> <DHess_US> The case couples to either the person holding it, or to the earth and then to the person holding it.
05:56:52 <DHess_US> A better system is to use pads with interdigitated fingers but you didn't do that.
05:57:42 <hsn> yeah i didnt know why they do that :P
05:59:14 <DHess_US> Microchip has some application notes showing how the different methods work.
05:59:19 <DHess_US> TI probably does also
05:59:57 <hsn> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/Appnotes/Capacitive-Touch-Sensor-Design-Guide-DS00002934-B.pdf
06:02:00 <hsn> yes i need to research more ..
06:02:32 <T3sl4> buh
06:06:32 <hsn> it sucked T3sl4
06:06:38 <hsn> bottom line ^
06:09:02 <T3sl4> cute
06:55:47 <arch> no, ur cute T3sl4 #nohomo
06:56:29 <T3sl4> b..baka
07:00:11 <arch> OwO
07:01:28 <arch> i want to make an UwW-generator using a small microcontroller, or maybe discrete components. no idea how using discrete components though
07:01:37 <arch> UwU generator*
07:01:50 <arch> UwU-shaped waveform
07:02:14 <arch> how would one go about doing that...with discrete components... well, you can get half the "U" with RC charging
07:03:17 <arch> anyone got ideas on how someone can approximate this waveform using discrete components? https://i.redd.it/panau54138s21.png
07:05:18 <arch> make half a sine wave, shift voltage down, make a cosine wave, shift voltage up, make anothe half a sine wave? idk
07:06:48 <arch> this guy used a microcontroller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2w9gX8IyCM&t=15s
07:06:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Triggering my oscilloscope just right so it UwUs correctly
07:09:03 <T3sl4> the original seems like it might be in a power circuit where there's half wave resonance on the top phases, and some fucked up resonance on the bottom that's also fuzzy from interference or load dependence or something
07:10:07 <arch> cool
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07:29:03 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/zw1wx4xgbc481.jpg
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07:31:06 <steve30000> hi
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07:39:33 <Nothing\> NOTHING
07:39:38 <Nothing\> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
07:39:41 <Nothing\> STUPID!
07:39:44 <Nothing\> YOU SO STUPID!
07:39:56 <Nothing\> anyone who gets that gets not 1 but 10 whole internets
07:40:06 <Nothing\> here's a hint
07:40:17 <Nothing\> ooooh red snappah vely tasty
07:40:52 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
07:40:57 <steve30> o/
07:40:58 <Nothing\> heya steve
07:41:03 <Nothing\> how ya doing?
07:41:09 <steve30> i just woke up
07:41:12 <Nothing\> me too
07:41:21 <Nothing\> well, within the hour
07:41:36 <Nothing\> i'm starting to think i should stop starting my day by reading the news
07:41:41 <Nothing\> because it's so fucking depressing
07:41:48 <steve30> that's a good idea
07:42:12 <Nothing\> although i'm curious about a few stories i'm gonna need closure on
07:42:23 <Nothing\> like the imminent invasion of Ukraine
07:42:34 <Nothing\> and the cube that chinese rover found on the moon
07:42:53 <Nothing\> they said they're sending the rover over to it but it'll take a few days to drive the 80 meters to get there
07:43:09 <Nothing\> and the russian invasion of ukraine isn't expected until early next year
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07:43:25 <Nothing\> it's funny actually, if you know of the channel bald and bankrupt
07:43:37 <Nothing\> he was JUST in the Donetsk region like a month ago
07:44:17 <Nothing\> which is one of the places where most of the fighting during the crimean annexation took place, and where they're digging in the trenches right now getting ready for round 2
07:44:50 <Nothing\> his video was crazy though, you could see bullet holes in all of the buildings and everything destroyed, so tragic
07:45:04 <Nothing\> i'd hate to think what it would be like to be a civilian caught up in a war like that
07:45:29 <Nothing\> especially if you have nobody else, like if you have no car and no friends or family to get you out of the area? what do you do? you're fucked
07:45:33 <Nothing\> stay and fight, i guess
07:47:23 <Nothing\> lol i still haven't seen a doctor for my foot
07:47:31 <Nothing\> and i have no doubt it's broken
07:47:33 <DHess_US> Was talking about Ukraine in other channels.
07:47:36 <Nothing\> my toe at the very least
07:47:44 <Nothing\> either broken or a ruptured/torn tendon, or both
07:47:52 <Nothing\> hopefully it's just a break
07:47:59 <Nothing\> DHess_US, oh yeah?
07:48:07 <DHess_US> This winter is the time for Russia to invade, since with the finished Nordstream pipeline Russia can threaten the EU.
07:48:08 <Nothing\> what was their consensus?
07:48:37 <Nothing\> yeah i heard germany's gonna cut it off at their point if russia invades
07:48:51 <Nothing\> which will be interesting because as i understand it, that's where germany gets all of its oil from, isn't it?
07:48:55 <DHess_US> That was my observation. But I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain. The usual reasons for invasion are to stifle internal dissent by fighting an external enemy, China will do this to Taiwan eventually, or for loot or tribute.
07:49:05 <DHess_US> But what does Ukraine have that Russia could want at the cost of going to war?
07:49:10 <Nothing\> and germany shut down all of her nuclear plants
07:49:21 <Nothing\> oh yeah, who's the new chancellor now?
07:49:28 <Nothing\> i just read that merkel's out
07:49:31 <Sigyn> DHess_US: buffer between NATO and russia I guess.
07:49:38 <Nothing\> i can't remember the new guy's name though
07:49:53 <DHess_US> Sigyn, doesn't make sense to go to war over that. NATO isn't a true threat.
07:50:09 <Nothing\> DHess_US, the main worry is the expansion of NATO into Ukraine
07:50:23 <Nothing\> Ukraine wants to join NATO, but Russia doesn't want NATO on their doorstep
07:50:55 <Nothing\> PLUS Ukraine becoming a NATO country would create one more chokepoint in Russia's already stifled access to the open ocean
07:51:13 <Sigyn> There are a lot of ethnic russians in eastern ukraine yeah? but that sort of concern is always just an excuse.
07:51:59 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I don't think that makes sense. Russia is using that as an excuse.
07:52:00 <Nothing\> i think it's the strait of hormuz that's in turkey, which itself is a NATO country, and i think there's another strait to go through owned by Ukraine before you get to Russia's ports
07:52:15 <Nothing\> DHess_US, why not?
07:52:30 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i don't think russia ever overtly said that was the reason though
07:52:42 <Nothing\> i mean they've voiced concerns over NATO expansion, especially into Ukraine
07:52:47 <Nothing\> i'm not sure
07:53:22 <Nothing\> i'm half asleep, groggy, in pain and sleep deprived among other things so i can't form coherent thoughts very easily
07:53:28 <Sigyn> wasn't there an agreement of some sort about NATO expansion into former soviet republics soon after the break up of the USSR?
07:53:30 <Nothing\> much less make heads or tails of geopolitics
07:54:04 <Nothing\> Sigyn, if there was i'd be interested to read about it. That sounds like it'd be interesting.
07:54:11 <Nothing\> did i mention i'm interested?
07:54:12 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I don't think it would justify invading Ukraine. The cost is just too great. Russia has to have some other reason.
07:54:15 <Nothing\> INTEREST
07:54:18 <Nothing\> sorry lol
07:54:55 <Sigyn> https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
07:54:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”
07:55:05 <Sigyn> It may not be true I guess
07:55:10 <Nothing\> but don't you hate it when you repeat a word like that without realizing it? i always feel like a tard when i do so i just bring as much attention to as possible and take on a mildly self deprecating tone in order to draw attention from the stupidity of it lol
07:55:41 <Nothing\> oh screw it
07:55:52 <Nothing\> i haven't eaten enough for my nsaids but i don't care
07:55:57 <Nothing\> this sucks too much
07:56:33 <Nothing\> actually water's supposed to be a good buffer for nsaids on the stomach, maybe i'll just double down on that
07:57:08 <Nothing\> gah
07:57:17 <Nothing\> that gatorade tasted like it went bad
07:57:27 <Nothing\> like it'd fermented or something. I didn't think gatorade went bad.
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07:57:53 <Nothing\> oh yeah that's why i came in here
07:57:55 <Sigyn> Nothing\: not unless it's really old
07:58:05 <Nothing\> Sigyn, it's probably been opened for a few days
07:58:08 <DHess_US> Those Germans are such fun, https://youtu.be/wtmZgAj2WUA?t=1730
07:58:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Watch live: Farewell honors for Angela Merkel - live coverage from the ceremony in Berlin
07:58:10 <Sigyn> or has like been out in the sun?
07:58:30 <Nothing\> i don't drink very much liquids. a bottle of water or gatorade is about enough liquid to keep me hydrated for the day.
07:58:41 <Sigyn> Nothing\: well if it didn't taste like that when you first opened it, maybe it did go bad
07:58:47 <Nothing\> and even then i'm up to piss about 5 times a night
07:58:59 <Sigyn> Interesting
07:59:01 <Nothing\> Sigyn, it would stand to reason that yeast got in and fermented the sugars
07:59:07 <Nothing\> Sigyn, i'm diabetic heh
07:59:13 <Sigyn> oh
07:59:23 <Sigyn> You should drink more though
07:59:34 <Nothing\> i really should, but i hate going pee so much
07:59:39 <Nothing\> especially cuz it's so hard
07:59:48 <Nothing\> and yeha i know the implications of that
08:00:13 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
08:00:17 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure it's weakness in my detrussor muscle from the medications i take though
08:00:40 <Nothing\> they can do that to smooth muscles like the detrussor in the bladder, or your esophagus or other muscles you have no conscious control over
08:00:46 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
08:00:48 <Nothing\> heya buddy
08:00:51 <Nothing\> how you doing?
08:00:51 <Ampera> how are you
08:01:01 <Nothing\> oh i'm alright for a change
08:01:02 <Ampera> I am requisition levels of shitty
08:01:09 <Nothing\> aww i'm sorry to hear that
08:01:16 * Nothing\ gives Ampera an extra hug
08:01:19 <Sigyn> Nothing\: drinking more might help that, if like peeing hurts, it could be because it is so concentrated
08:01:23 <Sigyn> but I'm not a doctor
08:01:34 <Nothing\> yeah it doesn't hurt, it's just difficult
08:01:39 <Nothing\> thankfully
08:01:48 <Nothing\> i've had painful urination, it's no picnic
08:02:32 <Nothing\> got a urinary tract infection after having a catheter, i was pissing blood and every time i went it literally felt like i was pissing red hot shards of broken glass
08:02:40 <Nothing\> i would literally scream in pain every time
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08:02:58 <Nothing\> like, you ever see the green mile? that scene where tom hanks is pissing when he's got the urinary tract infection?
08:03:05 <Nothing\> it was exactly like that every time
08:03:40 <Nothing\> but unfortunately besides antibiotics, the best thing you can do for such an infection is to "push fluids" that is, drink as much water so you piss as much as possible to flush everything out
08:04:24 <Nothing\> man i forgot about how painful that was
08:04:37 <Nothing\> that was about 20 years ago, when i was in the crazy house
08:04:39 <Sigyn> Thankfully not something I've experienced
08:04:54 <Sigyn> Is this a boat anchor net on 80m ? :D
08:05:04 <Nothing\> Sigyn, i wouldn't even wish it on my exwife, and she brainwashed my daughter into believing another man was her father
08:05:22 <Nothing\> even though consciously she knew i was her father, she was literally indoctrinated into her new family
08:05:41 <Nothing\> Sigyn, do what?
08:05:43 <Sigyn> My wife got some weird kidney stones from being pregnant I guess. Like they are this type that harbors infections
08:05:51 <Sigyn> Nothing\: Ham radio joke
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08:06:04 <Nothing\> oh weird i didn't know that was something that pregnancy made you susceptible to
08:06:10 <Sigyn> It's not common
08:06:40 <Nothing\> what'd they do for them? let her pass them? or blast them with ultrasound?
08:07:09 <Nothing\> i know nowadays sometimes they can use an ultrasound device to break up kidney stones, but being pregnant i'd wonder if that would cause any problems
08:07:30 <Nothing\> i'm sure there are medications they can prescribe too, i dunno
08:07:33 <Sigyn> They are probably going to blast them with ultrasound. She just had some nuclear imaging so they could decide if her kidney still worked and what removal method they'd need to do
08:07:36 <Nothing\> thankfully i've never had them
08:08:04 <Nothing\> oh that's good. How's she doing otherwise? I hope she's not in any pain or discomfort.
08:08:17 <Nothing\> also i didn't realize this was happening right now. I thought this was in the past.
08:08:31 <Sigyn> She's doing good. No pain recently
08:08:42 <Nothing\> thank God for that
08:08:44 <Sigyn> Baby is 3 months
08:08:49 <Nothing\> aw
08:08:53 <Nothing\> you're in for some fun
08:09:00 <Nothing\> how old are you guys if you don't mind me asking?
08:09:13 <Nothing\> i was the ripe old age of 18 when my daughter was born lol
08:09:29 <Sigyn> I'm mid 30s, she late 20s
08:09:41 <Nothing\> which is part of why i've sort of accepted that i've lost her because I knew i wasn't ready for her. Not by a long shot.
08:10:03 * electrohead bops in
08:10:08 <Sigyn> That sucks :(
08:10:26 <Nothing\> and her step family at least appear to be good people. Her step dad's a hard working, non-catholic christian who has a good standing in his community. Lots of focus on community and family and stuff like that.
08:10:32 <Nothing\> so she's at least in a good place.
08:10:45 <Nothing\> it's much better than i ever could have done for her
08:11:22 <Nothing\> and everything i've seen and heard sounds like she's doing well and happy etc so i'm glad for her
08:11:39 <Nothing\> she just turned 18 herself in october :o
08:11:54 <Nothing\> hey electrohead how ya doing?
08:12:16 <Nothing\> Sigyn, yeah i'd be lying if i said it hasn't been hard. Hell it still is from time to time even though we've been estranged for 6 years
08:12:33 <electrohead> hey guys
08:12:40 <electrohead> I'm doing, hanging out and such
08:12:42 <electrohead> you?
08:12:54 <Nothing\> every now and then i feel resentment about what happened. And then my rational side reminds me why it's for the best and i settle down.
08:13:02 <Nothing\> electrohead, still waking up
08:13:16 <Nothing\> shaking out the cobwebs, as it were
08:14:27 <coppice> Don't hold a grudge. Seat it at the dining table, feed it well, and nurture it.
08:16:03 <electrohead> https://youtu.be/Vs6qtQdHaqs
08:16:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Family Vlog ( I'm SO SURPRISED! )
08:16:09 <electrohead> o.O
08:16:12 <electrohead> lmfao.
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09:07:24 <jaymacks> Where is Nothing\
09:08:47 <jaymax> Oh amazing. I can harrass y'all through XMPP now too.
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09:23:44 * electrohead films
09:24:23 * jaymacks gropes jaymax 's ass and blames it on T3sl4
09:24:34 * Erhard videos it
09:24:38 <T3sl4> we're two-handing this sucker now? got damn
09:25:34 <jaymacks> Ewww, all these hands fondling each other.
09:25:55 * Erhard whips out a big foam pointing finger...
09:26:16 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/JmwfU3w.jpg ?
09:26:36 <Erhard> lol
09:27:02 <jaymacks> https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/24xc4LiJgjzzwcY
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09:27:26 <jaymax> My entire deal ^
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11:57:39 <electrohead> lmfao, yeah I read that recently, good stuff hahaha
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13:00:02 <T3sl4> steve30 be like https://i.imgur.com/1MjJeCG.jpg
13:00:16 <steve30> hehe
13:52:13 * Ampera ponders the steve30
13:52:41 * steve30 waves
13:53:04 <Ampera> how are you doing steve30
13:53:59 <steve30> just waiting on food
13:54:18 * Ampera gives steve30 an appetizer of pets
13:54:27 <steve30> *purrs*
13:54:39 <Ampera> supposedly my dad is getting 2 more cats
13:54:41 <Ampera> to make 5
13:55:12 <steve30> hmm
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14:52:39 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/BgwuVDV.jpg
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15:36:38 * Ampera melts
15:37:24 <arch> T3sl4, printing this out tomorrow, and my decade capacitance box should be coming within a few days, so i can have some fun compensating a cuk conf: https://i.imgur.com/XlvfRNB.png
15:37:47 <T3sl4> i'll print you
15:38:04 <DHess_US> I need to build a couple of series parallel RC boxes for loop compensation tests like the old Heathkit one.
15:38:58 <arch> so technically, you don't even need to know the ins and out and nitty gritty math? is that what noob EEs do? just plug and chug comp values until it looks good? :D
15:39:11 <arch> transient response looks good*
15:40:05 <arch> that's what i've been doing at least, well, after i work out the math following appnotes
15:40:08 <DHess_US> Actually it is commonly done that way to derive what the other unknowns in the frequency compensation are.
15:40:30 <arch> ooh
15:41:02 <DHess_US> Once you trim the loop for critical dampening, then you can use the RC values to work back what the other values are.
15:41:24 <T3sl4> like the CS5171, if you don't get the loop comp correct, due to nonlinearity of the error amp it's just a chaotic mess, you can't tell anything about it until it's stabilized
15:41:34 <T3sl4> so, start with good-enough values and plug away until it looks right
15:42:10 <T3sl4> also once you get it close enough, you can add an injection transformer and do a bode plot if you like, see what the whole loop is doing
15:42:24 <arch> yeap, that's the plan. pray that my bonus monies is decent :D
15:42:33 <arch> gonna get myself a siglent 3021x if so
15:43:59 <T3sl4> silly arch, it's not siglent, it's sigadvent
15:44:27 <arch> and there's a guide on the forum, jay diddy or whatever his name is, made one DIY signal inj trafo which matched or even beat a $500+ commercial one
15:44:52 <T3sl4> it's just a twisted pair 1:1 TLT, nothing interesting
15:44:58 <arch> he used a bought Wurth ferrite core trafo
15:46:52 <arch> alrighty folks, night. good productive day. a little too productive. i took friday off specifically so i could solder this etched board
15:47:04 * T3sl4 hugs arch
15:47:07 <arch> :3
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16:34:51 <steve30> I need to go to the shops this morning
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18:45:23 <Halcyon> Evening all
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18:57:16 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon for warmth
18:57:31 <T3sl4> the heater in this apt fucking sucks
18:57:44 <Halcyon> Awww
18:57:53 <Halcyon> Hard nips?
18:58:09 <T3sl4> uh, surprisingly not right now
19:18:25 <T3sl4> oh nice, finally some actually jot jalapenos
19:18:33 <T3sl4> having a few slices on my pizza
19:18:51 <Halcyon> I was just thinking what to do for dinner... pizza or something else
19:19:01 * T3sl4 guards his pie
19:19:03 <Halcyon> I'm leaning towards pizza
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19:32:11 <steve30> hi
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19:35:24 <hsn> i'm samboosa today
19:35:31 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/1N4GtP.jpg
19:35:35 <T3sl4> hi samboosa, i'm tim
19:35:47 <hsn> hi o/ tim
19:37:24 <doggyrat> hello does anyone knows if the raspberry zero w is powerful enough to make video compression of an usb camera
19:37:27 <Halcyon> Mmmm fewd
19:37:42 <doggyrat> to provide 30fps
19:37:49 <Halcyon> At what resolution?
19:38:43 <T3sl4> also, Halcyon: yep, there goes the stiff nipples, along with a shiver and a bit of piloerection
19:38:55 * Halcyon flicks them
19:39:46 <T3sl4> i was gonna grab the south park gif, but then this popped up so enjoy https://imgur.com/gallery/lJkTc
19:39:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Just a reminder that this exists - Album on Imgur
19:40:09 <Halcyon> Bahahah
19:40:13 <Halcyon> That'll do T3sl4
19:40:43 <doggyrat> i do not know what resolution would be possible having 30fps , that is my question
19:40:54 <Halcyon> https://i.imgur.com/l2ouwIX.mp4
19:40:56 <Halcyon> Bahahah
19:41:13 <Halcyon> doggyrat, resolution and frame rate are mutually exclusive
19:41:32 <T3sl4> doggyrat: somewhat more than 1x1
19:41:43 <T3sl4> beyond that, no idea :P
19:41:55 <Halcyon> But if it's anything higher than HD, I think you'll struggle
19:42:26 <Halcyon> Sorry, I should clarify, HD as in 1280x720 not "Full HD"
19:42:51 <doggyrat> i do not even need HD some thing about 1024 x 800 or below would be fine
19:43:00 <Halcyon> Then yes I think you'll get away with it
19:45:06 <doggyrat> it would be a small and cheap solution providing hdmi avi port too
19:46:35 <Halcyon> I guess you can only test it?
19:46:37 <Halcyon> See if it works
19:49:45 <Halcyon> Any of you guys any good with plumbing-related things?
19:50:03 <T3sl4> what, you're the gay guy here
19:50:32 <Halcyon> Water plumbing
19:50:36 <Halcyon> Not meat plumbing
19:50:49 <T3sl4> meat plumbing includes water plumbing, i rest my case.
19:51:00 <Halcyon> Touche
19:51:08 <T3sl4> how's that "sound", eh?
19:51:17 <Halcyon> Ahhhh I see what you did there :P
19:52:04 <Halcyon> Although what concerns me slightly T3sl4 is you seem to know a lot about a lot... even things I wouldn't expect you to know about
19:52:30 <T3sl4> so you gonna tell us about it or what? :P
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19:52:39 <Halcyon> I don't think I need to :P
19:52:43 <doggyrat> and i do get a shit storm for my remarks in other channels :(
19:53:06 <Halcyon> What do you mean doggyrat ?
19:53:22 <T3sl4> nah Halcyon loves a good ribbing
19:55:27 <T3sl4> but seriously, what's the problem? or did you just find out elsewhere :P
19:56:06 <doggyrat> some of my remarks in other channels are considered inappropriate
19:56:07 <Halcyon> Nevermind, I'll just call a plumber :P
19:56:19 <Halcyon> doggyrat, nothing is inappropriate here...
19:56:27 <K> hello feels like -19C
19:56:32 <doggyrat> i just noticed that :P
19:56:41 * T3sl4 snuggles K for warmth
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19:58:15 <steve30> well, i did want to go to the shops today but i don't think i can manage it
19:59:09 <Halcyon> Why not steve30 ?
19:59:11 <Halcyon> Bad sleep?
19:59:28 <steve30> bad brakes on the bike
19:59:40 <T3sl4> well that's not great
20:00:19 <doggyrat> who dares dies
20:00:27 <steve30> the brakes themselves are fine but it needs all new levers and cables as one of them won't spring back in to place properly so tends to jam up against the wheel when you least want it to
20:00:44 <K> surprise braking!
20:01:02 <T3sl4> surprise baking!
20:01:08 * T3sl4 kreullers K
20:01:19 <T3sl4> er, cruller
20:01:22 <doggyrat> it is more random braking , that would be the suicide ride
20:01:35 <T3sl4> suiride
20:02:07 <T3sl4> but also, suicycle
20:03:02 <doggyrat> by the way i have to adjust the brakes of my bicycle too
20:05:59 <Halcyon> I feel ike Okonomiyaki now
20:06:29 <K> > https://debeste.de/upload/e2aa2d36ccd62178d7a919433501815f2760.jpg
20:06:49 <Halcyon> Translate?
20:06:50 <T3sl4> hah
20:07:01 <T3sl4> "the forbidden advent calendar" if i'm not mistaken
20:07:06 <Halcyon> Ahhh
20:07:11 <Halcyon> Hahahah clever
20:07:12 <doggyrat> that was a good one
20:07:12 <K> yes
20:07:36 <doggyrat> that way i might get things i always wanted and could not afford
20:07:51 <Halcyon> It might also get you a free night's stay in jail
20:08:18 <K> or just plain disapointment if the locker is empty
20:09:02 <Halcyon> True
20:09:12 <Halcyon> I'd imagine they have plenty of alarms and CCTV
20:09:16 <K> depends
20:09:22 <K> at least here
20:09:50 <doggyrat> my suggestion is keep up to blowing up bank terminals
20:10:07 <T3sl4> you had me at "bank"
20:10:09 <Halcyon> Bank terminals?
20:10:16 <K> atms
20:10:19 <Halcyon> ATMs?
20:10:24 <Halcyon> Ahh
20:10:24 <T3sl4> Ass To Mouths
20:10:31 <K> T3sl4 pls
20:10:41 <Halcyon> Is that's what's in your wank bank T3sl4 ?
20:11:06 <T3sl4> open wide, i'd like to make a deposit
20:12:37 <Halcyon> K is offended
20:14:35 <K> no, not offended
20:15:04 <K> more like annoyed about the low quality
20:15:24 <Halcyon> Do better next time T3sl4 :P
20:15:54 <T3sl4> :(
20:16:50 <Halcyon> You're normally pretty quick witted
20:17:14 <T3sl4> quick wilted more like, it seems
20:18:40 <Halcyon> Maybe tomorrow?
20:19:07 * steve30 needs alcohol
20:19:16 <T3sl4> we'll see ;)
20:19:19 <steve30> maybe i'll borrow some of halcyon's wine
20:21:13 <Halcyon> Sure, I'll share
20:21:26 <Halcyon> Maybe I can order you a take away?
20:21:30 <Halcyon> Sorry, delivery
20:21:33 <Halcyon> Do they do those there?
20:22:03 <steve30> i've never encountered a pub or similar that delivers
20:22:13 <Halcyon> Oh
20:22:14 <Halcyon> :(
20:22:21 <Halcyon> Bottle shops don't deliver there?
20:22:30 <steve30> nope
20:22:54 <Halcyon> Wait... it's not even 0930 in the morning there!
20:27:54 <doggyrat> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwEnEoyQssrHf5GI103P-ZQ
20:28:34 <doggyrat> having youtube channel now but the project is frozen because of missing money
20:29:20 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Rs3kj9I.png
20:32:01 <K> what is "cracks corn" ?
20:32:07 <K> and should i even ask?
20:32:41 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Crack_Corn
20:32:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Jimmy Crack Corn - Wikipedia
20:33:44 <K> minstrelsy, now that is a word i had not seen before
20:35:07 <T3sl4> goes way back
20:35:28 <T3sl4> as you can see from the uh, casual slavery, not just casual racism
20:35:35 <K> that is a long ass song
20:40:04 <T3sl4> i don't know that anyone cares about the verses anymore, the refrain is the only familiar part
21:00:06 <doggyrat> i am a mixture between Pinky and Brain i do have the appearance of Brain and the brain of Pinky
21:04:54 <K> could it be worse?
21:05:48 <doggyrat> that is the reason why i only had to women in my life and got my first girlfriend with 28 years :(
21:14:31 <doggyrat> i am on dalnet too in a channel called chillincafe the do have a website chillin.cafe with some picture of the frequent users
21:47:12 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
21:51:51 <K> firrrrr
22:01:54 <doggyrat> taking a nap
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22:17:18 <steve30> i need food
22:24:06 <Ysjoelfir> I do that as well, from time to time
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23:32:43 <Ampera> it's a delightful 27 degrees out.
23:37:15 <K> 27 degrees of what
23:42:28 <Ampera> angle
23:42:46 <watcher> a hill of 27 degrees?
23:43:59 <Ampera> no
23:44:06 <Ampera> a delightful of 27 degrees
23:45:02 <watcher> but wat are you measuring?
23:45:16 <K> depression
23:46:37 <Ampera> I am measuring degrees.
23:46:53 * Ampera hugs K's depression
23:47:05 <Ampera> have less depression
23:47:09 * Ampera gives K a potate
23:47:13 <Ampera> have more potate
23:47:17 <K> a potat helps
23:47:22 <K> a thank
23:47:32 * Ampera bows in gratitude
23:48:06 <Ampera> now it's 486 degrees outside
23:52:32 <DHess_US> WTH? I live on Alderaan? Maybe you should move.
23:53:13 <Ampera> I am moving
23:53:15 <Ampera> I am moving scales
23:53:53 <Ampera> Oddly, while Kelvin is used as an absolute unit, and thus not a degree of anything, Rankine, also an absolute scale, is referred to by degrees.
23:55:59 <watcher> but by kelvin you dont say dregees like C or F
23:57:02 <Ampera> I didn't use kelvin
23:57:05 <K> noone cares about ranknie
23:57:12 <Ampera> K, noone cares about you
23:57:15 <Ampera> people only care about potat
23:57:16 <K> wrong
23:57:27 <Ampera> my name's not wrong
23:57:33 <Ampera> my name is K
23:57:36 <Ampera> I am you
23:57:44 <Ampera> and since I am you, I know you are wrong
23:58:07 <Ampera> I also know you're an absolute unit
23:58:11 <Ampera> massive chonkster
23:58:15 <Ampera> oversized load
23:58:16 <K> I'M NOT FAT!
23:58:20 <Ampera> no
23:58:23 <Ampera> you're better
23:58:25 <Ampera> you're a potat
23:59:39 <K> i am about 198cm and 93kg, if you need a mental picture to make your wild fantasies more accurate
23:59:58 <Ampera> I have no idea what those units mean
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