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03:49 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #eevblog
04:03 <Nothing\> hey, i just got two thoughts i wanted to confirm
04:48 <Nothing\> first thought, mathematically at least, inductance is the exact same thing, but opposite of capacitance
05:56 <Nothing\> and second, a resistive load can be simulated electrically with an opposing voltage
06:08 Join: steve31 ([email protected]) to #eevblog
06:13 <Nothing\> heya steve
06:30 <Nothing\> how's it going?
06:47 <Kuschelpony> first: yes
07:06 <Kuschelpony> second: that strongly depends how you control the voltage
07:22 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, yeah the second i wasn't sure about because i started getting confused about the current and stuff
07:49 <steve31> I'm just watching the christmas 1990 episode of top of the pops. Its amusing that they used some cameras with tube burn in.
08:03 <Nothing\> lol
08:13 <Nothing\> i love noticing tiny things like that steve31
08:29 <steve31> I actually thought CCD cameras would have taken over in broadcasting by then but obviously not
08:35 <Nothing\> seems like film was all around superior
08:36 <Kuschelpony> are you sure its true burn in? or just overload that needs upto dozens of seconds to equalize
08:52 <Nothing\> steve31, well why do you think the tubes are so badly burned in lol
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09:07 <Nothing\> they'd probably been used since the 60's
09:21 <Nothing\> or whenever the color switch happened
09:40 <Nothing\> late 60's i'd imagine. I remember Twilight Zone went color in 67 or so
09:54 <Nothing\> right around when they started doing hour long episodes
10:23 <Nothing\> hey you know what
10:31 <Nothing\> i should watch some christmas lectures
10:40 <Nothing\> those always put me in the spirit of the season
10:41 <steve31> Kuschelpony, being in a studio with bright lights, it could have been something that would have taken a while to recover. Can't say for sure.
11:05 <Kuschelpony> there are many different tubes with soecific behaviour
11:31 <Kuschelpony> some can keep a bright ghost image, others can get temporarily desensitized
12:07 <Nothing\> i'd imagine it would only get a burn-in of a specific image if i was stuck filming a static scene for years on end
12:36 <steve31> I'll admit i'm not an expert on camera tubes
13:15 <Nothing\> like any time i saw burn-in on a CRT it was always of something that was always on the screen, like my mom's bf's tv had the news station's box screens or whatever you wanna call them burned in
13:39 <Nothing\> like it'd have the stock ticker at the bottom, a traffic camera, the main screen with news, and another screen with little blurb headlines
13:49 <Nothing\> and they were all burned into the screen after years of watching it lol
14:29 <Nothing\> or on a tablet my mom found, it had a burn in of some game's gui stuck into it. Presumably an idle or clicker game
15:09 <Nothing\> i'd hate to say it but i have to avoid those types of games like the plague because they're so addictive. But they're SO stupid and pointless and just nothing good about them at all.
15:12 <steve31> Our local ATM has an LCD with "burn in"
15:31 <Nothing\> the only reason i enjoy them is because they're designed to hijack the reward centers of your brain
15:35 <Nothing\> like a skinner box
15:55 <Nothing\> mouse press button, mouse gets food, makes mouse want to press button more
16:02 <Nothing\> same deal
16:36 <Nothing\> actually it's literally a skinner box, only without any tangible useful or productive reward
16:59 <Nothing\> or really any reward of any kind, besides a dopamine fix. It might as well be drugs.
17:00 * steve31 should have coffee
17:31 <Nothing\> steve31, i'm lucky. my mum was going out so i got her to pick me up an iced cappuccino from timmy's on her way home
19:00 <Nothing\> it's funny, i've strictly abstained from caffeine for 14 years because of my anxiety. Then a few months ago i started drinking half a cup of coffee here and there because my meds make me so groggy all the time which makes reading absolutely impossible. Among other problems.
19:41 <Nothing\> and now i'm drinking iced cappuccinos often enough to get withdrawal headaches
19:52 <Nothing\> and these things have a good 200mg in them
20:15 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
20:26 * Nothing\ gives Ampera a giant hug
20:30 <Nothing\> heya bud
20:37 <Nothing\> hau's it going?
20:43 <Ampera> meh, feel like crap
20:53 <Nothing\> awww i'm sorry to hear that
20:57 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
21:05 <Nothing\> wish it could be a real one but that'll have to do
21:08 <Nothing\> oh, here
21:14 * Nothing\ throws a bowl of chicken soup at Ampera 
21:18 <Ampera> I'm on the other end of a cold
21:37 <Ampera> right now I'm getting all sorts of weird symptoms, nausea, headache
21:37 <Nothing\> you know, i haven't had a cold in almost 10 years
21:47 <Ampera> got loads of mucous in my throat, and my back kinda hurts to boot
21:48 <Nothing\> and the last time i had the flu was before you were even alive lol
21:52 <Nothing\> june 1999
22:09 <Nothing\> that's the one nice thing about being reclusive
22:11 <Nothing\> i never get sick
22:20 <Nothing\> can't get sick if you're never around people
22:21 <steve31> i had something cold like this year
22:41 <Nothing\> steve31, yeah with all of my cockiness about it, i know i'm gonna get sick this year
22:48 <Nothing\> i'm probably gonna end up getting omicron
22:59 <Nothing\> although they're saying it's resulting in way fewer hospitalizations
23:15 <Nothing\> i think they said something like 3% in south africa
23:29 <electrohead> o/
23:29 <Nothing\> which is what the mortality rate was from the delta variant afaik
23:31 <steve31> the papers here are saying that omicron is mostly cold-like, so probably nothing to be concerned about
23:33 <Nothing\> heya electrohead
23:37 <electrohead> hey guys
24:06 <Nothing\> steve31, yeah they're reporting nearly 10,000 cases a day here in canada, which we haven't had those rates since the 4th wave
24:30 <Nothing\> hell, here in ontario we've got more cases each day than we did in all of canada just a month or two ago
24:44 <Kuschelpony> nothing, camera tubeswree much more swensitive to burn in from short flashes, but longterm exposure was not a problem i remember
24:57 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, oh yeah i hadn't thought of that
25:11 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, it's funny how the eye does that too in a way
25:17 <Kuschelpony> yes
25:33 <Nothing\> like if you've ever looked at a really bright image you get a negative image that imprints into your retina
25:44 <Nothing\> it's really neat how it does that
25:46 <Kuschelpony> and cwmera tubes were developed trying all possible mechanism to accumulate charge to integrate like they eye does
26:02 <Nothing\> that reminds me
26:10 <Nothing\> you know the moon and asteroids have a charge?
26:26 <Nothing\> being in vacuum, they're being bombarded by protons from the solar wind, so they end up charged
26:55 <Nothing\> i guess nasa's looking into a way to make a rover that would use mylar to pick up a similar charge from the solar wind and hover on small bodies like asteroids
27:20 <Nothing\> even on the moon they figure they could carry a 5lb load using that method. Which isn't practical but still impressive.
27:48 <Nothing\> https://news.mit.edu/2021/moon-hovering-rover-1221
27:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - MIT engineers test an idea for a new hovering rover | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
27:56 <Nothing\> i mean it's a nice idea and all
28:18 <Nothing\> but if this actually sees the light of day, i'll be a monkey's uncle
28:36 <Nothing\> which means i'll have to get doing some really unnatural things with some really confused monkeys
31:11 <Nothing\> huh
31:20 <Nothing\> i just realized i forgot to take my methadone this morning
31:24 <Nothing\> that's fucking awesome
31:33 <Nothing\> means i'm getting used to my lower dose :D
34:49 <Nothing\> holy crap
35:27 <Nothing\> i'm reading about george steinbrenner and he really is just like he was portrayed on seinfeld
35:45 <Nothing\> just a nutball who somehow managed to buy and manage the yankees for decades
35:58 <Nothing\> unless he was just getting dementia in his old age
36:39 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/rmsawl/its_not_a_cat/
36:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
36:42 <electrohead> o.O
36:43 <electrohead> rofl.
36:50 * Nothing\ raises an eyebrow
37:01 <Nothing\> is this gonna be a bunch of vaginas?
37:34 <Nothing\> oh lol
38:01 <electrohead> just watch it
38:04 <electrohead> lol
38:18 <Ampera> pussy sucking a cunt
38:23 <Nothing\> electrohead, there's a channel i watch called bald and bankrupt where this englishman travels to various places, usually former soviet bloc countries or india, or there were a few episodes in cuba
38:53 <Nothing\> but in the cuba episode, him and his gf came across this sick little kitten who was abandoned by its mother, so they took it to a vet and got medicine for it and stuff
39:04 <Nothing\> but they had to go back, and couldn't take the cat with them
39:39 <Nothing\> so they literally smuggled the fucking kitten onto the plane and flew it all the way back to belarus hiding in his gf's bra through security and onto the plane, then in her bag on the plane
39:57 <Nothing\> then back in her bra through belarus customs
40:22 Quit: jaymax ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
40:29 <Nothing\> and amazingly they made it through
40:34 <Nothing\> last i heard the cat's doing well
40:40 <Nothing\> but yes, must watch
40:43 <Nothing\> less distracted brain
40:46 <Nothing\> more tracted brain
45:50 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
46:14 <Nothing\> it's funny cuz i saw an actual airline scuffle video the other day (masks of course) and it was pretty much exactly like that
46:19 <Nothing\> fuck, they're all like that
46:30 <Nothing\> that was well done though lol
47:03 <Nothing\> even the authenticity of it seemed genuine. Whoever those guys are they did a good job.
47:16 <Nothing\> good acting, good attention to detail, amazingly accurate script
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47:35 <Nothing\> hey jay
49:27 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) EOF from client
51:20 * Nothing\ fires up Breath of the Wild
52:28 <Nothing\> yuck the controller of my switch is all dirty. I hate having to clean gunk out of all of the little nooks and crannies of a controller.
53:18 <Nothing\> i bought a 2nd hand ps3 controller i wound up having to do that with (and bleach the damn thing). Never again will I buy 2nd hand controllers. Especially after realizing how many guys probably played their video games right after fapping.
54:29 <steve31> hehe
54:39 <steve31> Best not let Nothing\ use my Model M keyboard then :p
00:22 <steve31> That's good news, the council has given me £100 off my council tax from the covid-19 hardship fund.
00:46 <steve31> Of course I'm sure it will go up substantially in years to come.
05:52 <steve31> i wouldn't mind going back to sleep later, provided its OK with number 14's dogs
15:07 <steve31> my etymotic earphones are really quiet on this thinkpad
33:09 <Nothing\> steve31, 2 words that'll change your sleep life forever
33:13 <Nothing\> ear plugs
34:06 <Nothing\> seriously, i used to have such horrible insomnia. I slept so light, the tiniest sounds or sensory input would wake me up. I'd lie awake for hours on end staring at my eyelids thinking the classic "okay if i fall asleep NOW then I'll still be able to get n hours of sleep"
34:45 <Nothing\> then i started getting cases of those yellow foam 3M earplugs from an industrial supply company. About $30 for a case of 200 pairs. Very affordable.
34:57 <steve31> i tried ear plugs years ago but they just hurt my ears
35:04 <Nothing\> and honest to god, they work better than any sleeping pill or home remedy i ever tried
35:23 <steve31> best thing i've found is a white noise generater
36:37 <Nothing\> the 3M ones are pretty soft and flexible. The worst I get with them is itching if they're not in right.
36:57 <Nothing\> But the "cheap" overpriced pharmacy ones are real stiff and uncomfortabel
37:13 <Nothing\> either that or they're entirely too springy and they spring back before you can insert them
37:23 <steve31> i might try some others one day
37:45 <Nothing\> cuz you're supposed to roll them up between your fingers before inserting them, but if they already start puffing back up before you can get it in your ear it doesn't do ya much good
38:01 <Nothing\> but yeah i avoided earplugs for the same reason cuz the pharmacy ones are crap
38:08 <Nothing\> it's 3M or nothing
38:19 <Nothing\> E-A-R classic, or pillow packs
39:00 <Nothing\> the only thing is, worringly i've stopped pulling wax out of my ears since i started using them over 15 years ago
39:21 <Nothing\> i keep expecting to get impacted wax, but i had my ears checked a couple years ago and the doc said they were fine
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40:35 <Nothing\> steve31, i tell you though. I was so bad that benzos didn't even touch it. I had to be put on heavily sedating anti-psychotic medications which thankfully didn't have many side effects.
41:09 <Nothing\> Though i strongly suspect it's at least partially implicated in me getting diabetes. Or at the very least responsible for me getting it so soon in life, since i'm pretty genetically predisposed to it.
41:50 <Nothing\> oh yeah and when i stopped taking it i got so friggin nauseous. They told me it wasn't addictive but if that wasn't withdrawal... well... i'm a monkey's uncle
42:23 <Nothing\> it was so bad, i remember walking to get groceries and passing a dirty puddle, and just the look of the puddle was enough to make me wretch
42:48 <steve31> ouch
42:59 <steve31> i don't tend to get nauseated much
43:02 <Nothing\> yeah but it was worth it for all the help it gave me sleeping.
43:43 <steve31> I've never used benzos. I find diphenhydramine is fine for helping me sleep if i need drugs
43:44 <Nothing\> i do, but it never used to bother me since i dealt with it a lot when i was using drugs heavily. So vomiting didn't faze me at all.
43:57 <steve31> In related news, I've been off the anti-depressants 7 months now.
44:21 <Nothing\> lol i remember once drinking with my friends and playing guitar hero, i threw up while i was in the middle of playing a song and just kept playing while i threw up all over the floor in front of me, never missing a beat.
44:39 <Nothing\> then when the song was over, I removed my pants and half assedly mopped up the puke with them
44:45 <Nothing\> as one does
44:59 <Nothing\> steve31, that's awesome man. Which one were you on? Also how are you feeling?
44:59 <steve31> lol
45:23 <Nothing\> I actually saw an article, didn't read it just saw the headline about how doctors are prescribing the wrong antidepressants or something like that
45:44 <steve31> Citalopram.
45:52 <Nothing\> i tried taking them, but after the fight with the little man who lives in my eye, i had to stop taking it
45:58 <Nothing\> but i mean he was taunting me
46:06 <Nothing\> peering out of my pupil, giving my menacing looks
46:17 <Nothing\> stretching my iris all out of shape
46:26 <Nothing\> he kinda reminds me of some sort of gremlin
46:36 <Nothing\> i mean i know he's not real now but damn it was a weird thing
46:41 <Nothing\> that was from taking effexor
46:51 <steve31> Still feeling pretty crap, but better than a month or two ago.
46:59 <Nothing\> meanwhile when my brother took effexor, he just wanted to murder a drug rep he came across in a hospital
47:13 <Nothing\> steve31, did you taper or just go cold turkey?
47:52 <Nothing\> the best way to go is taper as slowly as possible, otherwise you leave yourself vulnerable to something called post acute withdrawal syndrome, even tapering you can still get it, but it seems more common if you go cold turkey
47:55 <steve31> yeah, effexor is pretty crappy
48:24 <steve31> i started reducing the dose in january. Withdrawal effects had pretty much gone by May so i stopped it completely then.
48:24 <Nothing\> but the basic gist of it is that you continue to experience withdrawal symptoms for months, or even years after discontinuation
48:33 <Nothing\> steve31, oh that's good to hear
48:45 <Nothing\> i forget the brand name of citalopram, i think i took that one briefly too
49:05 <Nothing\> let's see, i took... paxil, effexor, zoloft... and... one other i can't remember
49:13 <Nothing\> at least in terms of antidepressants
49:15 <steve31> cipramil?
49:25 <Nothing\> nah, i'm not even sure that existed back then
49:29 <Nothing\> this was like 2000ish
49:36 <steve31> they have different brand names here in england
49:39 <Nothing\> so there wasn't a whole lot on the market
49:44 <Nothing\> ah
49:50 <Nothing\> that's right
50:01 <Nothing\> also i was like 15
50:18 <Nothing\> so when i took zoloft, i tried to kill myself by taking a bottle of 100 tylenol with codeines
50:29 <Nothing\> little did i realize at the time that codeine has what's called a metabolic ceiling
50:57 <Nothing\> meaning it's perfectly benign in and of itself, won't do anything to you, but it has to be metabolized into morphine by the liver before it has any effect
51:04 <Nothing\> but your liver can only metabolize it so quickly
51:36 <Nothing\> so once you take enough codeine, you've basically saturated the metabolic pathways and your liver can't convert any more into morphine and it just gets excreted naturally
51:49 <Nothing\> or so the theory goes
52:18 <Nothing\> but yeah they didn't know at the time that SSRIs and drugs like that can cause suicidal behavior in teenagers
52:23 <Nothing\> and i was 15-16 at the time
52:48 <Nothing\> so something tells me that's no coincidence. I mean i had suicidal thoughts up to that point but i'd never actually entertained them in any serious fashion.
53:18 <Nothing\> but this was the first time i actually planned my suicide ahead of time, kept it to myself so nobody would interfere, even wept as i watched what i was convinced would be my last sunset
53:23 <steve31> for the most part, my suicidal thoughts got better when i started the medications
53:36 <Nothing\> but my mum heard the bottle rattling and then took me to the ER
53:55 <Nothing\> and thankfully they pumped me full of that god awful charcoal shit before the tylenol had a chance to melt my liver
54:23 <Nothing\> that's the scary thing about tylenol overdose. Is by the time you feel it, it's already too late. Your liver's already damaged badly enough that you need a transplant.
54:52 <Nothing\> and that point doesn't happen for 2 or 3 days. So you could feel relatively fine and think it didn't do anything. Then find you're in liver failure 2 days later.
55:06 <Nothing\> steve31, mine just got better through time and experience
55:27 <steve31> 100 pills is a lot. I bet that would have done some damage
55:34 <Nothing\> incidentally one of the biggest things that got me to stop thinking about suicide and self harm was when i stuck a 4in knife in my thigh
55:44 <Nothing\> thankfully again i was relatively unscathed
56:00 <Nothing\> but when that knife went in, i dunno what it was but it's like something in my brain just snapped into place.
56:26 <Nothing\> and suddenly the implications of suicide and serious self harm like what i'd just done became so much more real and more tangible than they'd ever been
56:30 <Nothing\> and i didn't like it one bit
56:39 <Nothing\> it scared the shit out of me
56:54 <jaymax> Shorting 4" of nerve endings with carbon steel seems likely to do that sort of thing.
57:02 <steve31> i think we have some natural survival instinct which takes over from the suicidal ideation
57:11 <Nothing\> so i called for an ambulance, got fixed up and aside from kicking the wall and breaking my toe the other day, i haven't harmed myself since
57:24 <Nothing\> jaymax, oh man thank GOD i didn't hit any nerves
57:27 <Nothing\> or tendons
57:34 <Nothing\> it was just muscle that got hurt
57:43 <Nothing\> and all that felt like was no worse than a charlie horse honestly
58:28 <Nothing\> i was amazed at how little it hurt, not just at the time when i was in the initial shock from the injury, or when i had dilaudid IV at the hospital, but even afterwards. I mean I was hobbling for 2 weeks, but it never hurt worse than if somebody punched me.
58:48 <Nothing\> Which i've actually heard a lot of people who have been stabbed unknowingly. like in a fight or whatever.
58:57 <Nothing\> They always say it feels like getting punched initially
59:01 <Nothing\> or like a "cold" punch
59:15 <Nothing\> but the other thing i recall is the sensation of my skin breaking
59:27 <Nothing\> which if you've ever had a proper puncture wound, you know what i mean
59:52 <Nothing\> the term "breaking" is very apropos because it almost feels like a snapping sensation. It's really weird.
00:14 <Nothing\> like a film that's been pulled taught that's suddenly been pierced and all of the elastic energy is released
00:17 <steve31> can't say i've ever suffered such injuries
01:40 <Nothing\> steve31, i've only been stabbed twice really. The second time was just being a jackass in science class in grade 9. My teacher told us the glass stirring rods were made of special "candy glass" that isn't supposed to cut you. So not being one to listen to anyone of authority, I broke one over my knee and proceeded to ram it half way into the palm of my hand lol.
01:58 <Nothing\> again thankfully (miraculously for the area!) nothing important was hit
02:04 <Nothing\> but i sure showed him!
02:17 <steve31> hehe
02:36 <Nothing\> and yeah, most of my major injuries have been self inflicted lol
03:04 <Nothing\> but thankfully i always seem to come out of it relatively unscathed
03:19 <Nothing\> lol i remember once i had one of those plasma globes
03:47 <Nothing\> and the way it was set up was the globe part had a socket like a lightbulb where you could unscrew it from the driver in the base
03:54 <Nothing\> well, stupid me
04:11 <Nothing\> one day i decide to turn it one with the globe unscrewed and the socket exposed and think to myself
04:20 <Nothing\> "hmm what would happen if i stuck my finger in this?"
04:26 <Nothing\> answer: nothing good
04:37 <Nothing\> i'm lucky i didn't get V-fib
05:04 <Nothing\> cuz that sure wasn't no high frequency voltage
06:42 <Nothing\> i forget what channel it was, i think it was styropyro. They were talking about how when they were a kid they were dicking around with some electronics and got a nasty shock from the mains. And he just went back downstairs and sat with his family. He said he started getting really dizzy and feeling faint, but didn't say anything to his parents because he was afraid of getting in trouble.
06:53 <Nothing\> actually i don't think it was styropyro because he seems smarter than that
07:08 <Nothing\> but whomever it was didn't seem to appreciate the fact that they almost died that day
08:01 <Nothing\> i had to explain about vfib from HVAC shocks, and the history of defibrillators. How they were originally made for line workers who suffered just that very same problem
08:04 <steve31> i've never had much in the way of electric shocks
08:30 <steve31> I did get a tingle off my video monitor a few years ago while adjusting the yoke but thats about it
08:39 <Nothing\> steve31, other than that, the worst i've felt was when i put something like 10-15 fresh 9v batteries in series and put my fingers across them
08:46 <Nothing\> i felt some tinglies but that was it
09:01 <Nothing\> in retrospect, i should put some alligator clips on each side, then touched them to my tongue
09:14 <Nothing\> what do you think? ~120VDC going across my tongue
09:52 <Nothing\> steve31, oh that reminds me actually
10:14 <steve31> That would probably tingle your tongue quite a bit.
10:31 <Nothing\> i remember back in the day when i had cable service, if i touched the coax connector in the wall at the same time as the male end of the cable connected to whatever device, i would notice definite tinglies in my finger
10:51 <Nothing\> which makes me wonder what sorts of voltages they used for cable tv
10:59 <Nothing\> wouldn't imagine they'd need a whole lot
11:19 <Nothing\> if they tv can amplify the teeny voltages from the antenna
11:52 <Nothing\> steve31, as i recall from a big clive video, DC tends to cause more burn injuries than AC does.
11:57 <steve31> That's probably leakage from the PSU in the TV
12:01 <Nothing\> more burns and cellular damage
12:13 <Nothing\> steve31, and and by touching the coax i'm grounding it
12:33 <Nothing\> actually i have cable internet service
12:50 <Nothing\> i wonder if i could set my scope to video mode and connect it to the coax to see the signal
13:22 <Nothing\> or better yet, strip the middle of an ethernet cable and probe various cables as it's being used for something
13:33 <Nothing\> staggering the stripped sections so as not to short anything
15:00 <Nothing\> hrm i should retrieve my scratch pad from my room and see what notes i wrote myself while i was in bed
15:14 <Nothing\> it never fails, i always wake up with like a page or two of notes and reminders for the next day
15:28 <Nothing\> most of them are trivial but feel important at the time
17:04 <Nothing\> oh yeah
17:53 <Nothing\> i forgot i had an idea for a reverse look up style dictionary where you type in a rough definition of a word, then using a neural net AI, it would take key words from the definition and match them up to the best matching word
18:07 <Nothing\> i guess sort of like a smarter version of ask jeeves in dictionary form
18:14 <arch> dear Tim, i called you, but you still ain't calling. i left my IRC, my email, and my PSU schematic at the bottom. =(
18:36 <Nothing\> arch: all that work for nothing?
18:42 <arch> pinged you*
18:43 <Nothing\> i certainly hope not :(
18:50 <arch> not called =(
18:55 <Nothing\> well arch
18:59 <Nothing\> it's the holidays
19:03 <Nothing\> i'm sure he's just busy
19:15 <Nothing\> especially 2 days from xmas
19:31 <arch> 5 more hours to go
19:46 <Nothing\> and then? business hours closed for the holidays?
20:51 <Nothing\> oh yeah i got this funny little game on steam last night. It's one of those factory/assembly line type games. But you build kittens lol
23:41 <arch> ♫ my feedback loop's gone unstable and i'm wondering whyyy ♫
24:22 <Nothing\> wow
24:28 <Nothing\> you can't even buy photoshop anymore
24:34 <Nothing\> you just get a subscription for $28/month
24:38 <arch> new music video by T3sl4, feat arch
25:37 <Nothing\> arch: on that topic, just off the top of your head do you know of any resources or app notes or things of that nature that would help familiarize me with feedback looks and power converters?
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26:20 <Nothing\> all of the beginners tutorials i found on power converters didn't so much as mention feedback loops. So I didn't even know they were necessary until like a year after learning about power converters
26:43 <Nothing\> and even then, the ones that do only do so in passing
27:28 <Nothing\> the best i found was an article on negative feedback systems
29:50 <T3sl4> you're better off tagging me, arch
30:18 <arch> that was a joke lol. i just ping you instead of tagging so i dont bother you if ur working
31:09 <T3sl4> pidgin shows pings that way anyway ;p
43:41 <steve31> Nothing\, i suggest using pirated older versions of adobe software
43:51 <steve31> I've been using CS2 recently :)
44:01 <Nothing\> steve31, i just got GIMP :P
44:09 <Nothing\> i never used photoshop a day in my life
44:15 <Nothing\> but i'm at least vaguely familiar with GIMP
44:39 <Nothing\> steve31, but Ampera tells me pirating software is a good way to get viruses
44:51 <Nothing\> in fact he seemed to imply it was almost a surefire way
44:52 <steve31> yeah, I use gimp. Its years since I did anything with photoshop
45:04 <steve31> although i have been making use of adobe premiere recently for video editing
45:24 <Nothing\> right on
45:32 <Nothing\> anywho i've got some errands to run so i'll bbiab
45:38 <Nothing\> take care, steve
46:01 <watcher> for the virus part. just let other search donwload and do a test run before you install it
47:40 <Nothing\> that's what i figure, if it has good reviews then where's the risk?
47:56 <Nothing\> other than that the person uploading it made fake accounts
48:21 <Nothing\> =or this one guy, dauphong always seems to have copies of newly released indie games and even new versions
48:27 <Nothing\> anywho bbiab
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24:45 <u0_a281> K: ysjelf got his thing today, he will ask his grandma
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49:57 * K rejoices
50:18 <u0_a281> much party!
57:40 <jaymacks> Re: Photoshop free downloads, Adobe did do a free download of their version 7 suite a decade ago, because their licensing server went EOL - and the Adobe 7 suite was ancient by that point anyway.
58:50 <jaymacks> So if you want to pirate without the worry of viruses inserted, wait until the OEM merely gives it away.
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01:24 <jaymacks> Not to say there are no dragons afoot in that - downloading it with the generic licenses required a registration to their forum, and that site got Pwned a few years ago.
02:55 <Nothing\> heyo
06:01 <Nothing\> so i'm gonna try testing my theory that an opposing voltage can simulate a resistive load
06:24 <Nothing\> like a pulse generator
07:21 <Nothing\> genarating an opposing voltage but with an absolute value no greater than the absolute value of the original voltage. If that makes sense
12:38 <Nothing\> and designing circuits where the inductance perfectly cancels out the capacitance
13:29 <Nothing\> which if it's able to do that physically, makes me wonder if you could make the distinction that inductance is the complete opposite of capacitance
13:37 <Nothing\> two sides of the same coin
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33:24 * arch infects jaymacks with the tentacle virus
36:40 <Nothing\> quick question, just so i potentially don't have to look it up
36:55 <Nothing\> but inductance, does it cause current to lag or lead? I can't remember off hand
37:04 <Nothing\> or vice versa with capacitance
51:22 <T3sl4> well shit, i guess that resistor really was getting hot. scope probe melted onto the lead..
51:24 <Nothing\> hrm put so much attention into figuring it out that i forgot why i wanted to know
51:41 <Nothing\> T3sl4, poor probe :( hope it wasn't a nice one
51:47 <T3sl4> nah, cheap shit
51:51 <Nothing\> good stuff
52:48 <T3sl4> oh, this oughta be good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DB0_J0ilWY
52:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Real Doctor Thinks We're Unsafe - Safety Third #19
53:27 <Nothing\> never heard of this channel
53:34 <Nothing\> is it like backyard scientist re: safety?
53:58 <Nothing\> oh who is that guy
54:06 <Nothing\> my niece used to watch him
54:26 <T3sl4> this is like, all the unsafe science youtubers being buddies
54:30 <Nothing\> he's a maker, isn't he? of like kookie contraptions and robots
54:37 <Nothing\> lol
55:09 <Nothing\> oh yeah T3sl4
55:20 <Nothing\> you know the whole trope about the simpsons predicting the future?
57:15 <Nothing\> well anyways, apparently back in i think 94 or 95 when they did that episode about softball and mr burns gives don mattingly a hard time about his sideburns and ejects him from the game
58:06 <Nothing\> apparently no more than a year later, yankees management give him a similar hard time over his hair and ejected him from a game over it because they had a strict policy about hair.
58:54 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i just find it hilarious when life imitates not just art, but outright satire
59:18 <Nothing\> or just plain over-the-top goofiness
25:30 <Nothing\> lol i paid my mum for my rent and bills in $5 bills
25:33 <Nothing\> all $1200
25:50 <Nothing\> except for $200 in $50s they wouldn't let me do for some reason
26:22 <Nothing\> i wan tempted to just withdraw $1000 in $5s and then another $200 in $5s
27:30 <steve31> I went in the building society for some £5 notes the other week. They had a bit of a shortage.
45:54 <Nothing\> you shoulda asked for some £50 notes
46:10 <Nothing\> i heard those are real shady in the UK
46:21 <Nothing\> and most shops don't even know what they look like
46:30 <Nothing\> but that coulda been hyperbole
46:50 <steve31> I have a stash of them, but they are the older design which came out in 2011. The new one featuring Alan Turing was released this year
47:00 <Nothing\> oh nice
47:09 <Nothing\> figuerd they'd put him on the least poplur ball
47:13 <Nothing\> *bill
47:14 <steve31> It can be pot luck as to whether bank cashiers will have any in their till
47:17 <Nothing\> bit still, good for him
48:03 <steve31> I like the older paper £50. Its a nice bright red colour and nice and big. These modern plastic notes are much smaller than the older paper ones.
49:26 <steve31> £50s have never been common here. I'm surprised they haven't become more common over time, as £50 is worth far less now than it was 30 years ago.
51:21 <Nothing\> you guys have polymer notes yet?
51:41 <Nothing\> we got them maybe 5 years ago. They're a pain in the ass cuz they don't crease at all
51:54 <Nothing\> and they tend to stick together
52:06 <steve31> yup
52:10 <Nothing\> so you end up giving a cashier 2 $20s without realizing it
52:22 <steve31> started with the £5 a few years ago, ended with the £50 this year
52:30 <Nothing\> ah yeah
52:34 <steve31> But the paper 20s and 50s are still in service
52:43 <steve31> Did the cashier notice?
53:12 <Nothing\> sometimes
02:39 <Nothing\> what's a good 8051/52 equivalent
02:55 <Nothing\> there are so many different types
03:45 <steve31> i'm not sure whether to try and go to sleep, or whether to try and go to the gym
07:39 <Nothing\> low-se
07:39 <Nothing\> lol
08:02 <Nothing\> oops sorry i didn't realize how many whitespace characters i inadvertently put in there
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20:19 <TheDude> Nothing\, check out EFM8
21:01 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/23Js9rL.png
28:21 <Nothing\> man these strawberry shortcake ice cream bars are delicious
28:31 <Nothing\> and just the thing i need for my sore throat
28:51 <Nothing\> rofl T3sl4
28:56 <Nothing\> i see what they did there
29:01 * T3sl4 pinches one from Nothing\
29:03 <Nothing\> i'm stealing that for facebook
29:29 <Nothing\> dude i'd totally share just so you don't end up missing out on something so amazing
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32:43 <DHess_US> haha
37:51 <K> meanwhile - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wof0xPUmW38
37:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: How to open a door - Finnish instructional video from 1979
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46:55 <Nothing\> mmm fresh roasted chestnuts
47:02 <Nothing\> a bit overdone but still tasty
47:17 <Nothing\> the outside's a tad leathery, but not terribly so.
47:27 <Nothing\> I dunno what it is, i can never cook them right.
47:49 <Nothing\> they always end up overdone and leathery or underdone and the skin sticks to them so bad you can't peel it off
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52:08 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/Harrison_of_TX/status/1459591738809622532
54:27 <K> that seems odd.
57:08 <DHess_US> Original link I got, https://texasscorecard.com/state/potentially-life-saving-treatment-for-covid-19-denied-on-basis-of-race/
57:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
57:41 <DHess_US> K, doesn't seem odd to me at all. Fiddling while Rome burns, https://youtu.be/_OwHvSq9sVU
57:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: This is happening in the White House.
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59:45 <K> November 15, 2021
59:58 <K> did anything come of off this?
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00:41 <DHess_US> K, not that I have found.
01:15 <DHess_US> And refers to HHS but I don't know that that has to do with Texas, since the Feds preemptively took that over.
01:31 <DHess_US> The Feds control allocation of monoclonal antibodies now.
01:49 <K> before or after this?
03:12 <DHess_US> Huh? Months ago.
03:35 <DHess_US> This says no but that video sure shows it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/24/fact-check-texas-antibody-treatment-eligibility-not-based-race/8699689002/
03:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fact check: Texas antibody treatment eligibility not based on race
04:15 <DHess_US> And notice the article is confusing HHS and DSHS.
05:04 <DHess_US> "While there is no state policy putting one race in front of another for treatment, " is a lie also insofar in that if it is HHS, then it is the Feds.
05:26 <DHess_US> So the article is deliberately confusing state and federal regulations.
05:49 <DHess_US> Make of it what you will, but I would say the USA Today article is a hit piece.
06:56 <K> hm, i get a feeling that truth is lost somewhere there
07:12 <K> and everyone just writes for agenda, whatever that is
07:23 <coppice> DHess_US: Make of it what you will, but I would say everything in a main stream media article is a hit piece.
07:43 <K> and i know next to nothing about how health services work in usa wrt to state/federal
07:51 <coppice> DHess_US: even the weather forecast
08:12 <coppice> K: its all private except when it isn't
08:48 <K> on one hand that treatment appears to be in high demand/low supply, so it gets rationied
09:05 <K> on the other hand, cutting off ppl because of race also seems not right
09:31 <K> maybe there are more to know, that we do not
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10:09 <coppice> K: its all the fault of these racist virii
10:14 <electrohead> got the starlink dish off of the roof, yay
10:28 <electrohead> that actually sucked a little bit
10:41 <K> racist virii are the worst.
10:57 <K> why did you take it off, electrohead ?
11:03 <electrohead> K: I'm moving
11:05 <K> ah
11:08 <electrohead> so, it's going with
11:09 <electrohead> :p
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13:30 <coppice> "You can now travel all the way from Portugal to Singapore by train" - That's a neat trick when there's sea in the way
16:10 <K> maybe they load train onto a boat?
19:16 <coppice> These things are usually just bogus, like the Orient Express. That's just two separate train journeys. A short one from London to a ferry port, and another from a Frech ferry port to Instnbul (not constantinople)
22:24 <K> a scam!
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46:18 <DHess_US> trains don't work well on ships, or suspension bridges.
46:39 <DHess_US> Ever notice how long train bridges use box beam construction?
47:02 <DHess_US> suspension bridges sag too much.
48:31 <Ampera> Portugal to Singapore by train sounds like long hell to go from one mediocre place to an even more mediocre place
48:42 <Ampera> at least they speak english where I'd be going
49:01 <coppice> They speak English in Singapore
50:01 <Ampera> yes, that's why I said so
50:41 <Ampera> a lot of my math books, earlier on when I was homeschooled, came from Singapore
51:27 <coppice> I wonder if there is any route where a train goes onto a ferry? I assume the length of trains means a clear no, but you never know unless you check
51:56 <Ampera> I suppose it depends on what you consider a train
52:32 <Ampera> I'm sure there's this random bizarre ferry that carries a few minecarts across a stream somewhere in the north of england.
52:40 <coppice> well, I'm not thinking of a bride getting on a ferry in her wedding dress
53:02 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_ferry
53:02 <Ampera> I said train, not tramp
53:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Train ferry - Wikipedia
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56:03 <DHess_US> https://europeantraction.com/2018/08/27/denmarks-last-passenger-train-ferry/
56:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - Denmark’s last passenger train ferry – European Traction
57:01 <coppice> apart from a couple of special heavy freight carrying train ferries, they mostly seem like a poor option to just going to the coast, getting an ordinary ferry across, and getting another train the other side
58:50 <coppice> I used a bus service that crossed the Yangtze on a car ferry a few times, and that was a huge PITA. Messing bout while a train is broken into carriages and packed on a ferry must be worse
59:06 <DHess_US> Right, because the best reason to put a train on a ferry is if the cars are holding heavy freight that you don't want to bother taking and putting back on again.
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02:20 <arch> buck regulator evaluation board from hell https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/snva666a/snva666a.pdf
02:52 <arch> they put a 0.1uF feedforward cap. it's gonna suck ass at transient response very likely
05:05 <arch> and the ol' classic flyback build from hell: https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva666/slva666.pdf
32:10 <T3sl4> no?
32:24 <T3sl4> cute similar numbers tho
32:34 <K> no is a strong word. please use something less divisive!
32:56 * T3sl4 gifts K some lamproite
33:20 <T3sl4> (it's an ultrapotassic rock)
33:42 <K> too much Mg
35:11 <K> are you low-key calling me a useless piece of rock?
35:25 * K types with rising intonation
35:54 <T3sl4> so divisive today
36:07 <K> it is 3am
36:31 <K> and i must bed, have to het up at 10 and go find a darn spruce or somth
36:39 * T3sl4 puts a duvet on K
36:49 <K> a thank.
37:02 <T3sl4> sweet potatoes, erm, dreams
37:18 <K> it is like -16C outside and stove in this room does not get heated often
37:30 <K> (am at parents)
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10:13 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCa2kyHFpM
10:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Real Gregorian MONKS Singing Halo Theme Song in a real Chapel - [LIVE] Halo Infinite Tribute
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36:25 <Nothing\> welp, i've found my 8051 equivalent chip that i want
36:31 <Nothing\> unfortunately it's like $10 a chip
36:44 <Nothing\> the AT89S53
36:59 <Nothing\> bastard has a whopping 16kbyte of programmable memory
37:31 <Nothing\> as opposed to 8kb for the 52 or i think the 51 comes in 1kb, 2kb and 4kb
39:47 <Nothing\> still, crazy to think an 805x chip would cost THAT much
39:58 <Nothing\> and this is chinesium prices
41:26 <DHess_US> The memory in a logic process takes a lot of area, making it expensive.
44:30 <Nothing\> i can imagine
44:51 <Nothing\> i just can't figure out the difference between an at89s52-pi, pu, and pc
45:13 <Nothing\> and the datasheet doesn't seem to make mention of any of them, though every site selling them has a selection between them
45:57 <Nothing\> DHess_US, heh i remember trying to make my own SRAM once before i knew where to get ICs and I gave up after the 4th bit lol
47:53 <Nothing\> hrm the difference mainly seems to be in the amount of flash memory according to the listings on digikey
48:09 <Nothing\> weird that wit wouldn't mention that in the datasheet
49:26 <Nothing\> anyways now that i've figured out more or less which 805x chip i want, and i've made my min up about getting an ATTiny85 for my AVR, and for the PIC I'm thinking a PIC18F
49:48 <Nothing\> it seems to be the best pic that still comes in a PDIP package
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28:21 <Nothing\> huh
28:33 <Nothing\> they found that cop who shot the black guy instead of tasing him guilty
28:44 <Nothing\> that really didn't take long, her trial just started last week afaik
28:59 <Nothing\> chauvin's trial took months as i recall
29:33 <DHess_US> The trials don't take that long once they start.
29:36 <Ampera> if it's who I'm thinking, she knew she dun goofed the moment it happened
29:59 <Nothing\> she was found guilty on all counts, but as per Minnesota law, if you're charged regarding the same crime agains the same person, they can only convict you of the most serious charge
30:13 <Nothing\> DHess_US, yeah my trial was only set for 2 days
30:13 <DHess_US> There was more to it because there was a question of whether she was justified in using lethal force anyway, in which case mistakenly not using the taser isn't a crime.
30:22 <Nothing\> which imo was 2 days too long
30:36 <Nothing\> part of the reason i took the plea bargain was because i just didn't want the stress of a trial
30:50 <DHess_US> Ampera, Kim Potter
30:58 <Nothing\> i'd been dealing with it/worrying about it/ruminating even for the last almost 3 years
31:12 <DHess_US> I didn't know they convicted her. I'm still reading trial reports from yesterday.
31:28 <Nothing\> yeah i just came across it
31:39 <Nothing\> i'm not sure if pleading guilty is the same as a conviction
31:44 <Nothing\> but it will inevitably lead to one
31:51 <Nothing\> i don't see how it wouldn't
31:52 <DHess_US> yes, it is the same
31:59 <Nothing\> unless you're found insane
32:10 <Nothing\> but then, that's a different plea
32:37 <Nothing\> i always wondered what no contest meant. It's one of those terms i always hear but for some reason i never bothered to look it up or find out what it means.
32:46 <Nothing\> it sounds almost the same as saying you're guilty
32:56 <Nothing\> like "yeah i'm not gonna contest these charges, i did it"
33:17 <Nothing\> or unless that's tantamount to not entering any plea
33:24 <Nothing\> and therefor not even contesting the charges
34:07 <Nothing\> i wonder if you could plead the 5th when making your plea in a case
34:23 <Nothing\> you don't want to incriminate yourself by pleading guilty
34:34 <DHess_US> No
34:54 <Nothing\> i didn't think so. That'd be a hell of a loophole lol
35:20 <DHess_US> Although it does bring up an interesting problem, because an exculpatory "no" can be charged as obstruction of justice.
35:28 <Nothing\> it sucks for her though, they're holding her without bail
35:41 <DHess_US> So if you plead not guilty, and they find you guilty, in theory you can be charged for lying.
35:49 <Nothing\> although since she's not going to trial, it's not like that's gonna affect her ability to mount an effective defense
35:58 <Nothing\> which being incarcerated inevitably does
36:01 <DHess_US> Who are you talking about?
36:06 <Nothing\> kim potter
36:26 <Nothing\> they denied her bail
36:29 <DHess_US> She didn't plead guilty, she was found guilty.
36:33 <Nothing\> saying they're not gonna treat her case any better
36:41 <Nothing\> DHess_US, this said she plead guilty
36:45 <Nothing\> lemme find it for ya
36:51 <DHess_US> Her trial is over. The jury found her guilty on both counts.
36:55 <Nothing\> unless i misinterpretted it, which is possible
37:02 <Nothing\> oh huh
37:14 <Nothing\> i coulda swore they said she plead guilty, i'll have to rewatch
37:28 <Nothing\> unless it was filmed very recently afterwards and they were just mistaken
38:00 <Nothing\> oh yeah
38:01 <Nothing\> duh
38:14 <Nothing\> i dunno why i said she plead guilty, i remember the judge reading the jury's verdict
38:33 * Nothing\ shakes the cobwebs out of his brain
39:12 <Nothing\> sorry about that, i dunno why i said it
39:21 <Nothing\> i feel really remiss now
40:14 <Nothing\> lol display port to HDMI adapter on aliexpress is only $2
40:26 <Nothing\> the cheapest i found at best buy was like $40
41:24 <Nothing\> also it's weird that an at89c2053 costs like $10 a piece while the 2052 only costs i think 50 cents
41:39 <Nothing\> that's quite a price difference for twice the rom memory
43:17 <Nothing\> i'd really like to learn more about the physical differences between rom and RAM and why ROM seems so much more expensive
07:22 <Nothing\> WTF
07:24 <Nothing\> https://electrek.co/2021/12/23/tesla-shuts-down-passenger-play-allowing-to-play-video-games-center-screen-driving/
07:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tesla shuts down 'passenger play' that allows users to play video games on center screen while driving - Electrek
07:42 <Nothing\> in what world did fucking ANYONE think this was a good idea
07:59 <Nothing\> sepecially considering their cars aren't even fully self driving and still require your full and undivided attention
08:51 <Nothing\> i've read countless articles about how they shouldn't even call it autopilot or self driving because that gives the wrong impression about how independent the system is from humans
09:15 <Nothing\> that such terms give a sense of complacency
10:28 <Nothing\> which makes sense to me. In general when you add blatent safety features to a car, it'll tend to make people drive more wrecklessly and can potentially lead to more accidents on account of the complacency it causes drivers to know they've got this safety system looking after them
26:40 <DHess_US> Should mount sharp spikes on steering wheels.
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41:11 <Nothing\> DHess_US, fragmentation projectiles on airbags?
41:12 <Nothing\> lol
41:32 <Nothing\> so, i finally ordered my 8051 equivalent
41:41 <Nothing\> i settled on a... lemme see what it was now
41:51 <Nothing\> 89s8052-pu
42:31 <Nothing\> which is a fairly stardard 8052 equivalent. Nothing fancy like 412b of ram or 16kb of program memory
43:02 <Nothing\> i got a force sensor too cuz why not for $2
44:13 <Nothing\> man i wish i had a few more bucks for a pic
44:29 <Nothing\> but i guess i'll have my hands full learning the attiny and 8052
44:34 <DHess_US> I could never work myself up to learning 8052 after programming 8080 and Z80.
44:59 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i just fell in love with it when i came across i really neat simulator for raspbian years ago
46:04 <Nothing\> sadly i could never find a simu/emulator for windows that was anywhere near as good
46:29 <Nothing\> i've heard keil51 is good but i could never make heads or tails of it
46:33 <Nothing\> one day maybe
14:40 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_e1DWjaSQ
14:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 'Twas A Bible Accurate Christmas...
14:49 <Nothing\> Merry Christmas Even
14:54 <Nothing\> *eve
15:13 <Nothing\> also this video just gives a small taste of how truly messed up the bible is
15:49 <Nothing\> actually anything to do with bible accurate angels or the book of revelations is just downright twisted
16:19 <Nothing\> 6 winged beings wing eyes covering their entire bodies
18:40 <Nothing\> or the ophanim which were 2 nested, spoked wheels with eyes covering the outside rim which are supposed to be the wheels of god's chariot
19:09 <Nothing\> i think the cherubs were the 6 winged ones with eyes all over
19:59 <Nothing\> i seem to remember something about 2 wings were used to fly and the other 4 were to cover its body because it would destroy a man to look upon their body, or something along those lines
20:33 <Nothing\> whether you believe it or not, they're certainly interesting stories. And the symbolism is so heavy in them. Especially Revelation. The number 7 comes up a lot.
23:36 <Nothing\> the 7 churches of asia, the 7 golden lampstands in John's first vision, the 7 flaming lamps representing the 7 spirits of God, 7 seals are broken to bring about the apocalypse in stages, seven angels sound seven trumps, seven angels poured out 7 bowls of wrath
23:47 <Nothing\> it's really peculiar
24:04 <Nothing\> makes me wonder if it's a theme in other religions. Or at the very least, judaism.
25:22 <Nothing\> and yes, i apologize. I am bored.
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31:19 * Halcyon smacks Ampera
33:30 * K throws 30cm of snow onto Halcyon
36:44 <Halcyon> Brrr, chilly on the willy
41:17 <K> chilli
41:25 <K> probs not good either
41:38 <Halcyon> Probably not on the willy no
29:21 <steve30000> hi
35:43 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
43:17 * steve30000 wonders what Halcyon is having for christmas dinner
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44:36 <Halcyon> I've already had it. I had ham, and traditional Finnish dishes
44:46 <Halcyon> Like beetroot salad and various bakes
44:49 <Halcyon> I'm so full
44:55 <steve30> hmm
47:00 <Halcyon> I met a boy today Steve
51:09 <Halcyon> Well "guy", boy sounds wrong
52:11 <steve30> ooh
53:03 <Halcyon> I must admit, I'm quite smitten and so is he
53:09 <Halcyon> But I don't want to jinx it
54:43 <steve30> is he cute?
55:01 <Halcyon> Extremely
55:13 <Halcyon> He kissed me first *blush*
55:36 <steve30> :p
56:49 <steve30> I hope you saved some cuties for me
57:00 <steve30> anyway, i'm off out to the gym. Maybe there's one waiting for me thee :p
57:08 <Halcyon> You go to the gym now?
57:25 <steve30> I started again as of last week
57:31 <Halcyon> Oh nice :D
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