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01:05:25 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Why are people so afraid of a recession? It's a normal part of a healthy economic system cycle. Musical chairs doesn't go on forever.
01:54:14 <coppice> Dunno, Do you think it might be because so many people lose their job and can't find another one duration a recession?
01:54:49 <Ampera> why are people so afraid of dying, it's just a normal part of a healthy lifestyle, musical chairs doesn't go on forever
01:55:34 <coppice> dying should be much less scary. it doesn't leave you with decades of lingering problems like a recession
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04:51:06 <DHess_US> I bet I get kicked off when services are restored.
04:51:31 <DHess_US> I'm going through a VPN and the IP is banned on the server for whatever reason.
05:00:30 <T3sl4> birb https://i.imgur.com/wogO2Rs.jpg
05:00:51 <T3sl4> DHess_US: you need a [REDACTED] VPN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY
05:07:47 <Ampera> DHess_US, yeah we've been communicating that with gremlinz, not sure what exactly is going on, but something something, someone did something idk
05:12:28 <DHess_US> Funny T3sl4. I've been using Cryptostorm.
05:13:19 <DHess_US> T3sl4, video is wrong.
05:13:58 <DHess_US> How many neophite users will click through an unsigned certificate.
05:14:16 <Ampera> VPNs aren't there to fix stupidity
05:14:51 <Ampera> If someone is stupid enough to send critical data over an unsecured site, then there's equal chance they're stupid enough to do other things.
05:15:35 <DHess_US> Most people send unsecured data, DNS for instance.
05:16:03 <DHess_US> Had an adventure Saturday evening; I fell down my basement stairs.
05:16:38 <Ampera> DHess_US, did gravity still work?
05:17:22 <DHess_US> Gravity test successful.
05:17:38 <DHess_US> And it honestly wasn't my fault. The stairs collapsed under me.
05:17:38 <Ampera> Hospital test too?
05:17:45 <Ampera> oh
05:17:57 <Ampera> more then that you fell /through/ your basement stairs
05:17:57 <T3sl4> i wouldn't think a newb who can't read "unsecured" would be very likely to be using a VPN
05:18:01 <DHess_US> No, banged up pretty good with scraps and bruises. Did not get a concussion.
05:18:46 <DHess_US> No, literally the stairs fell under me. The upper end where they connect to the ground floor disconnected and dropped the entire stairs under me as I was standing at the top.
05:18:53 <T3sl4> yikes
05:19:17 <Ampera> VPNs aren't useless. I use them, and similar concepts all the time. All Tom Scott is saying is they're not going to save anyone from all that much.
05:19:28 <DHess_US> The builders somehow though using nails, a non-captive fastener, was sufficient to hold the stairs to the ground floor.
05:20:39 <DHess_US> I was standing on the stairs because I had heard this loud noise from them over the past couple days and I wanted to find out what it was. Well, that noise was the nails pulling out as I walked across the top.
05:21:34 <DHess_US> I didn't connect the noise with "government mandated building codes are trying to kill me".
05:22:29 <DHess_US> What idiots thought, and approved, using non-captive fasteners to hold stairs in place?
05:23:28 * Ampera hammers a screw into T3sl4
05:24:49 <DHess_US> I bought some construction screws intended for structural fastening and I will make other improvements but I still need to raise the stairs out of the basement. After working on it all yesterday, I'm too sore today to do anything.
05:25:13 <DHess_US> Sunday was *suppose* to be repair the chimney day.
06:03:56 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://pbfcomics.com/comics/mrs-hammer/
06:08:46 <DHess_US> Hmm, my basement would make a good Holloween attraction, and right on time.
06:09:05 <Ampera> Perhaps the children in it would like a haunted house.
06:09:35 <T3sl4> Ampera: if he does that, then next year it will be
06:10:55 <DHess_US> Not real practical though unless I can find a way to capture the candy as they enter. It won't do me any good if the candy is down in the basement with them.
06:17:25 <T3sl4> does rotten candy work as a marinade for children?
06:20:01 * T3sl4 hands DHess_US a fresh bowl of slightly-future chili
06:20:12 <T3sl4> 8 habaneros in the pot, should give you a nice cozy warm feeling
06:20:22 <DHess_US> Rotten candy? Is there such a thing?
06:20:24 <T3sl4> also pork, beef and beans
06:20:58 <DHess_US> I'm so sore after working yesterday to raise the stairs that I have no appetite.
06:21:35 <T3sl4> just as well, it'll get even better after sitting in the fridge
06:23:46 <DHess_US> I'm not used to trying to lift more than my own weight out of the basement.
06:24:24 <T3sl4> take it, you don't have jacks or levers down there
06:24:54 <DHess_US> Well, I could. But that isn't very helpful when the stairs are literally laying on the floor of the basement.
06:25:08 <DHess_US> And one end needs to be boosted about 8 feet.
06:25:50 <DHess_US> Incidently, the lower end was *not* fastened to the concrete floor. Idiots!
06:26:26 <T3sl4> you'd have to get something under the upper end and put blocks under it
06:27:10 <DHess_US> Sure, I could do that. And I have a big floor jack and a pair of small bottle jacks but lifting one end via compression isn't my idea of a stable configuration.
06:27:44 <T3sl4> if you dont' have any fasteners down there as well, that would be a bit of a concern, yeah
06:27:50 <DHess_US> The block and tackle I installed should be able to lift a ton safely.
06:28:30 <DHess_US> So I'll lift the top back into place and then fasten it with screws in place of where the nails were. Then I will brace it.
06:29:01 <T3sl4> sounds good
06:29:21 <T3sl4> suppose the base could be braced as well, say with masonry screws
06:29:50 <DHess_US> Oh, yes, I'm going to fix that. Hammer drill into the basement floor and attach a block.
06:30:12 <DHess_US> And then I will brace the high end against the wall with a 45 degree brace.
06:30:46 <DHess_US> So even if it fails again where it was fastened to the ground floor, it won't fall.
06:31:09 <DHess_US> I'll strengthen that area as well.
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07:11:39 <gremlinz> you won't get booted DHess_US, because i disabled the blacklist, however i did write to your email that you signed up to nickop with
07:11:53 <gremlinz> did you not receive it?
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07:15:02 <Ampera> gremlinz, any news on automatic authentication yet?
07:15:21 <DHess_US> gremlinz, not yet. I've been having trouble with my google email address. Google email now sucks.
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07:16:10 <DHess_US> gremlinz, I haven't done anything about it because I've been between ISPs until this morning.
07:16:20 <gremlinz> hi Ampera, no news yet
07:16:25 <gremlinz> ok DHess_US
07:17:04 <DHess_US> Let's see ... reading your email now.
07:18:02 <DHess_US> gremlinz, I don't have any control over the VPN IP because it is shared.
07:18:39 <DHess_US> All I can select is which data center location is used.
07:21:19 <gremlinz> hmm i'll get back to you, gotta get ready for work now
07:21:37 <DHess_US> responded in email also.
07:21:45 <DHess_US> Not sure what can be done.
07:22:30 <DHess_US> Eventually I may be able to specifically route traffic to this IRC server around the VPN but I have been having trouble getting it to work on my router.
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09:21:48 <orbii> thunder, thunder, thunder, thundersqueaks!
09:32:29 * Ampera cracks orbii's neck, looks him around.
09:43:27 <orbii> thanks.
09:43:35 * orbii does it irl
09:43:46 <orbii> ohhh that's better, thanks for reminding me.
09:47:48 <orbii> i think lifelong neck/back injuries are the worst.
10:29:30 * T3sl4 strucks orbii
11:39:15 <DHess_US> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/561330445849985035/638513792812187648/image0-92.jpg
11:41:17 <steve30> morning
11:42:03 * T3sl4 coffees steve30
11:42:10 <steve30> mmm
11:43:59 <steve30> Given that I selected Lunar billing for this VoIP service, I should try and find out when the full moons occur.
11:49:39 <T3sl4> just send me the bill on Feb 29
11:53:17 <T3sl4> hahaha, blueskull got triggered af when hk and tiannamen got mentioned
11:55:57 <DHess_US> My lack of coffee makes me sad.
11:56:10 <DHess_US> I'm not allowed to have coffee anymore.
12:01:29 <T3sl4> you're still alive; but at what price?
12:02:37 <steve30> No coffee? :(
12:03:17 <DHess_US> The price is no migraines.
12:03:41 <DHess_US> I thought maybe I could have just one cup of coffee occasionally but nope.
12:03:59 <steve30> I guess that's a good enough excuse
12:04:34 <DHess_US> I had like 1/2 cup last week resulting in at least three migraine headaches starting a couple hours later over the next two days and a couple of smaller ones since including one this morning.
12:04:49 <DHess_US> So no coffee for me.
12:05:23 <DHess_US> Not even 1/2 cup after weeks or months.
12:06:24 <DHess_US> But that just means more coffee for steve30 and T3sl4.
12:06:39 <T3sl4> yikes
12:06:48 * steve30 purrs at DHess_US
12:07:10 <T3sl4> is this a new thing, or a pattern only recently discovered on account of your prior addiction?
12:07:26 <DHess_US> No, not knew but it took a while to figure out.
12:07:30 <DHess_US> err, new
12:07:56 <T3sl4> yeah, kinda figured
12:07:58 <DHess_US> Red wine or Champaign also triggers migraines for me.
12:08:06 <T3sl4> tea?
12:08:55 <DHess_US> But while I was still drinking coffee every day, my migraines were getting worse and worse like every morning so I was testing various things and finally got down to coffee.
12:09:43 <DHess_US> I was up to 2 or 3 migraines a week before I finally figured out that it was the coffee. Caffeine in soda doesn't cause a problem.
12:10:07 <T3sl4> could well be something else, they're complex substances
12:10:11 <DHess_US> I don't know about tea. At least I never associated tea as a cause.
12:10:44 <DHess_US> Oh, the issue with coffee is that like chocolate, the caffeine comes with a whole pile of other alkaloids as well.
12:11:10 <steve30> Red wine doesn't agree with my mother any more
12:11:36 <DHess_US> I just hadn't associated my migraines with coffee and it seems that I became more sensitive over the past couple years.
12:12:23 <DHess_US> And to be clear, there is no ambiguity about my migraines. They are not just bad headaches.
12:12:32 <T3sl4> chocolate's off too, then?
12:12:40 <DHess_US> No, chocolate hasn't been a problem.
12:13:13 <DHess_US> My migraines include visual effects and a feeling of euphoria after they pass so not simply headaches.
12:13:46 * steve30 needs to food
12:13:57 <DHess_US> The visual effects can be bad enough that I can't safely drive and cannot even read.
12:14:07 <T3sl4> had a coworker who had the light form of that, visual migraine, said he could feel it coming on, then his visual field would slowly blot out for a bit
12:14:27 <DHess_US> Yea, I rarely had that form.
12:14:28 * T3sl4 offers steve30 a bowl of hot spicy chili
12:14:45 <T3sl4> his were never painful though, AFAIK
12:15:04 <DHess_US> I usually have this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillating_scotoma
12:15:09 <steve30> mmm, that sounds nice
12:15:15 <DHess_US> Mine are sometimes painful and sometimes not.
12:16:49 <DHess_US> But they always include a feeling of euphoria afterwards which unambiguously distinguishes them.
12:19:38 <T3sl4> yeah, weird stuff
12:40:10 <steve30> When I was in the chemist the other day, the assistant commended my doctor on having legible handwriting :D.
12:43:52 <DHess_US> That is because your doctor is an imposter.
12:44:04 <DHess_US> Lizard person doctor.
12:48:53 <T3sl4> i thought they were all lizards
12:52:39 <DHess_US> No, the ones with illegible handwriting are human.
13:13:39 <coppice> steve30: have you seen how fast a pharmacist can read a doctor's handwriting?
13:14:49 <steve30> No, but said assistant said that when she started, she couldn't read doctors writing at all, but it seemed obvious to the pharmacist
13:16:52 <coppice> steve30: years ago we gave a doctor's letter to a friend's wife, who is a pharmacist. We couldn't read it at all, but she read it at normal speed.
13:18:13 <steve30> hehe
13:19:03 <DHess_US> coppice, having been overdosed with amoxicillin and almost killed because of a prescription error, yes.
13:20:38 <coppice> Chinese doctor's handwriting is just as bad as English writing, so I guess this is a universal issue
13:21:33 <DHess_US> hehe, I was delivered by a Chinese doctor who almost killed me.
13:21:44 <steve30> I tried to decipher several pages of psychiatrist's notes a while back. It was difficult.
13:28:37 <DHess_US> I don't know about now but back then Chinese doctors did this thing so more blood drained into the baby. If the baby's and mother's blood types don't match, this is a bad thing.
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20:30:45 <Ampera> gremlinz, austnet TLS cert is bad, it's reverted to one that expired on Aug 09
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20:42:32 <Halcyon> Mew
20:42:44 <Ampera> did you end up getting your PC working?
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20:43:06 <Halcyon> Partly, still got a bunch of drivers to download/install
20:43:15 <Ampera> huh?
20:43:19 <Halcyon> Been working on FreePBX the last few days. Just got myself a SIP trunk
20:43:28 <Halcyon> Oh you mean my Linux machine, nah, haven't tried yet
20:43:39 <Halcyon> (I was also setting up a Win98 machine, I thought you meant that)
20:43:58 <Ampera> I'm planning on putting together my own Asterisk PBX
20:44:16 <Ampera> I've got little clue how it works, but I presume I could map a SIP connection to your PBX to one of my numbers
20:44:38 <Halcyon> Yessum
20:44:43 <Halcyon> Which is exactly what I'm doing
20:44:50 <Ampera> perfect timing
20:45:25 <Halcyon> I haven't got the server up and running yet. I also want to get a couple of SIP phones
20:45:47 <Ampera> I'm going to be using an FXS/FXO card for my phones
20:45:48 <Halcyon> Just been watching videos and reading, *should* be fairly easy
20:45:59 <Ampera> 3 lines and 1 line to the greater phone network.
20:46:14 <Halcyon> I'm also going to be running FreePBX, it is much easier to configure and has more functionality that Asterisk alone
20:46:18 <Ampera> since google voice can't be used on Asterisk anymore
20:46:23 <Halcyon> Yeh, stupid
20:46:43 <Ampera> I'm still debating how I want to set mine up, but I hope to do it alone.
20:47:16 <Ampera> I don't know what OS I'm going to use either, the three top contenders are Debian, Arch Linux, and FreeBSD
20:47:20 <Halcyon> https://www.freepbx.org/downloads/
20:47:24 <Halcyon> This is what I'm using
20:47:28 <Ampera> yes you just said you were
20:47:46 <Halcyon> And I know you don't like GUI, but it really does pack a lot of neat features into Asterisk
20:48:04 <Ampera> It's not that I don't like GUI, I don't like frontends.
20:48:08 <Halcyon> I will probably end up buying some of the modules
20:48:17 <Ampera> I also don't like buying things
20:48:41 <Halcyon> Well you don't have to, but I'll be using mine for a business, so I'll probably want/need a more powerful endpoint manager
20:48:47 <Halcyon> Fuck configuring phones manually
20:49:23 <Ampera> My hope is to set up SIP service to Germany, so my dad can call relatives without having to pay international phone rates.
20:49:30 <Halcyon> *nod*
20:49:42 <Halcyon> I can also call you and Steve :)
20:49:51 <Ampera> Oh, and I'm also going to pick up a Western Electric 500 from the 1950's to use as my desk phone
20:49:56 <Halcyon> Hah. Nice
20:50:18 <Halcyon> I wouldn't mind getting some analog line cards so I can use old computers with a dial-up modem connection
20:50:24 <Halcyon> I miss that shit
20:50:42 <Ampera> the issue is how will you pipe them to the greater phone network
20:50:55 <Halcyon> I won't need to. It just needs to dial-in to a local server
20:51:16 <Halcyon> Hosting a dial-in server is simple
20:51:17 <Ampera> I mean I guess you could link two FXS's together.
20:51:45 <Ampera> In other news my dad's printer (our printer) ate shit.
20:51:58 <Halcyon> Well yeh essentially. Computer would just dial an extension connected to a WINNT server or similar
20:52:04 <Halcyon> Oh?
20:52:06 <Ampera> It's an LED printer, and the toner/drum assemblies will literally no longer go in, among a plethora of other issues it's had.
20:52:15 <Halcyon> What make?
20:52:18 <Ampera> Brother
20:52:21 <Ampera> as in, oh brother
20:52:38 <Halcyon> Heh, I have a Brother printer, apart from a minor problem, it has been rock solid for 10 years
20:52:45 <Ampera> So has ours.
20:52:48 <Halcyon> It's just a regular laser printer though
20:52:53 <Ampera> Are you sure it's not LED?
20:52:58 <Halcyon> I don't think so ?
20:53:04 <Ampera> because everyone calls LED printers laser printers.
20:53:09 <Ampera> even though there's no laser to them
20:53:36 <Halcyon> https://support.brother.com/g/b/spec.aspx?c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=hl2250dn_eu_as
20:54:16 <Halcyon> It uses a corona wire the same as copiers, no idea if that's common in LED printers too??
20:54:28 * Halcyon is not a printer expert
20:54:42 <Ampera> The only difference between LED and laser printers is that LED printers use a strip of LEDs to stick the toner to the drums
20:54:53 <Ampera> instead of a scanning laser
20:55:10 <Ampera> this makes them potentially less fine/accurate, but way faster and cheaper.
20:55:56 <Ampera> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PZKR57J/
20:56:07 <Ampera> That's going to be our new printer, though, similar to the one Techmoan has.
20:57:22 <Halcyon> Yeh I think mines an old-school laser printer
20:57:30 <Halcyon> I didn't notice any LEDs last time I pulled it apart
20:57:58 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, I hope Epson fixed the issues of blocked nozzles and wasted ink
20:58:08 <Halcyon> I swore off Epson inkjets in the 90's
20:58:10 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:58:19 <Ampera> Well that's over 20 years ago
20:58:34 <Ampera> the funny bit is that I have an Epson printer right next to me, I just used it
20:58:38 <Halcyon> I'd like to think technology has gotten less reliable
20:59:03 <Ampera> We'll see then
20:59:09 <Halcyon> We had one, it was almost like every 10 pages it wanted to do a head clean and it wasted so much ink doing so
20:59:34 <Halcyon> But yeh hopefully that's all sorted
20:59:37 <Ampera> The advantage here is that the ink is cheap
20:59:41 <Halcyon> Like the AMD's catching fire thing
20:59:42 <Ampera> 20 USD per 8000 mono pages.
21:00:07 <Ampera> Like Intel's /literally/ catching fire and melting boards thing?
21:00:12 * Ampera throws a Pentium D at Halcyon
21:00:14 <Halcyon> When was that?
21:00:28 * Ampera throws a Pentium D at Halcyon
21:00:43 <Halcyon> You know I was referring to the AMD K6's and Athlons which burnt to a crisp when the fan failed right?
21:00:47 <Halcyon> Like actual smoke?
21:01:04 <Ampera> There is record of Pentium Ds melting their sockets and boards in place.
21:01:27 <Halcyon> I honestly have never seen one
21:01:41 <Halcyon> But that sounds more like a problem with the plastics in the sockets not being rated properlyt
21:02:34 <Ampera> Anyways I have a lab exam today and I am not looking forward to it
21:02:40 <Halcyon> Why not?
21:03:12 <Ampera> Because I have 2 hours to standardize an NaOH solution, as well as do a load of calculations, then clean up
21:03:22 <Halcyon> OK?
21:03:29 <Ampera> 2 hours is not a lot of time
21:03:36 <Ampera> and I have not been known to work fast.
21:04:06 <Halcyon> Why not?
21:04:12 <Halcyon> I thought you would have been fast
21:04:38 <Ampera> Not when it comes to highly caustic or acidic chemicals in expensive glassware
21:04:46 <Ampera> with precise measurements and titrations
21:05:04 <Halcyon> Pfft, you aren't paying for the glassware
21:05:11 <Ampera> If I break it I am.
21:05:13 <Halcyon> (Or are you?)
21:05:16 <Halcyon> Really? How rude
21:05:29 <Ampera> Burets are not cheap.
21:05:42 <Halcyon> I'm sure they aren't, but isn't that what school fees pay for?
21:05:48 <Ampera> No.
21:05:50 <Halcyon> Or in the case of public education, tax payers
21:05:53 <Ampera> also no.
21:06:02 <Halcyon> Hm
21:06:09 <Ampera> Lol over here the school fees pay something and someone, but like fuck is it the education
21:06:26 <Ampera> However that's not the most critical part
21:06:39 <Ampera> the most critical part is the bit about dangerous chemicals and me not wanting to take a shower.
21:06:50 <Halcyon> Then don't spill any :)
21:06:53 <Halcyon> Simples
21:07:04 * Ampera flicks organic mercury at Halcyon
21:07:25 * Halcyon watches it bead right off and onto the floor
21:07:45 <Ampera> *organic*
21:08:01 <Ampera> you'll be dead within a matter of days.
21:08:37 <Ampera> I have a small list of chemicals I will absolutely refuse to work with ever.
21:08:44 <Halcyon> It's not as if I'm going to eat it
21:08:48 <Ampera> Organic mercury compounds are on that list, not that I'll ever have the need to do so.
21:09:08 <Ampera> Organic mercury compounds can absorb through your skin, and it takes very very small amounts to be unstopably fatal.
21:09:18 <Ampera> They can even wick straight through latex.
21:09:49 <Ampera> They are considerably more dangerous than even hydroflouric acid.
21:10:16 <Ampera> which is another substance I will /never/ work with
21:10:25 <Halcyon> There you go
21:10:34 <Halcyon> I learned something about Dimethylmercury
21:11:19 <Ampera> There was a famous case of a chemist who got one drop of an organic mercury compound on a latex glove before quickly rinsing it off and removing the glove.
21:11:21 <Ampera> She died.
21:11:37 <Halcyon> Mmm yes, I see that
21:11:39 <Halcyon> Nasty stuff
21:12:01 <Ampera> Good thing all we're working with is KHP and NaOH
21:12:09 <Ampera> which isn't dangerous so long as you're not stupid.
21:12:22 <Halcyon> :)
21:13:07 <Ampera> Regardless, today is a day I will be excited to see over.
21:13:31 <Ampera> Anyways, I need to head out soon, and the monkeys are doing something to the internet at the school so I might not be able to check in until tomorrow
21:13:40 <Halcyon> Oh by the way, in other news, Clive Mitchell got my package
21:13:57 <Ampera> I didn't know his last name was Mitchell
21:14:02 <Halcyon> *nod*
21:14:15 <Ampera> Can we expect a video from him on it?
21:14:17 <Halcyon> He sent me an email yesterday
21:14:26 <Halcyon> I think so? He usually records everything he gets
21:14:43 <Halcyon> Although he is under strict instructions not to ID me or where the package came from
21:14:44 <Ampera> Speaking of which I need to still write the script for my Pentium Pro video
21:14:54 <Ampera> not even by your username?
21:14:56 <Halcyon> Nope
21:15:00 <Ampera> why not
21:15:48 <Halcyon> Umm basically because although it's a pretty boring and ordinary device, its distributed by a particular mobile security vendor used by law enforcement/security agencies.
21:16:07 <Ampera> ah
21:16:17 <Halcyon> So I don't want the world (or my colleagues) knowing where it came from.
21:16:39 <Halcyon> So it's an "anonymous" donation
21:16:40 <Ampera> which is why you're talking about it on a public IRC channel
21:16:40 <Ampera> right
21:16:54 <Halcyon> It's not secret, I would just prefer the world not to know
21:16:57 <Halcyon> And this is not the world
21:17:20 * T3sl4 injects Ampera with chlorine trifluoride
21:17:31 <Halcyon> I'm not a moron, of course if it were sensitive I wouldn't speak of it here
21:18:27 * Halcyon hugs T3sl4
21:18:33 <T3sl4> *hugs*
21:18:36 <Halcyon> It's been a while since you showed me affection
21:19:08 <T3sl4> whenever steve30 comes back from the cold outdoors, i think you can get a bit more :P
21:19:47 <Halcyon> Yeh but he bites :P
21:19:59 <Halcyon> And he always threatens me with a whip
21:21:10 <T3sl4> well, you probably deserved it
21:21:15 <Halcyon> :P
21:21:49 <Ampera> I have to leave soon
21:22:18 <T3sl4> pfft, your people don't need you
21:22:23 <Halcyon> I'm intrigued by this baby simulator that Mike Jeavons has
21:22:38 <Halcyon> I'd love to see Dave do a teardown on it, see what sensors/tamper things it has
21:22:47 <Ampera> TEAR DOWN A BABY
21:22:48 <Ampera> ALRIGHT
21:22:55 <Halcyon> It's fucking electronic Ampera
21:22:56 <Halcyon> Gees
21:23:06 <Ampera> No, I'm saying he /should/ tear down a baby
21:23:08 <Ampera> a real one too
21:23:16 <T3sl4> violence towards cybernetic people will not be tolerated, you fuck
21:23:22 <Stiff> remind me not to leave the kids with ampera
21:23:26 <Ampera> live infant dissection, no anesthesia, babies can't feel pain anyways
21:23:37 <Halcyon> Stiff: Even adults should be wary of Ampera
21:23:47 <Ampera> I'd be an awesome babysitter, I'll sit on them so good.
21:23:49 <T3sl4> even Ampera should be wary of Ampera
21:23:53 <Ampera> ^
21:23:56 <Halcyon> :P
21:24:24 <Stiff> haha
21:24:54 <Ampera> Anyways, it's about time for me to fuck off.
21:24:55 <Stiff> babies can feel pain, my youngest has an eggy on the forehead cried for an hour
21:25:00 <Halcyon> Fuck off then
21:25:10 <Ampera> I may or may not be able to contact you in an hour, if you're still here.
21:25:25 <Halcyon> I might be in bed
21:27:13 <Stiff> im about to go cry myself to sleep, just payed the concrete, good bye 50k
21:27:27 <Halcyon> What are you working on Stiff ?
21:27:50 <Stiff> building another spec home
21:27:56 <Halcyon> Nice
21:28:00 <Halcyon> Mister money bags
21:28:34 <Stiff> i wish, everyone else gets payed until i sell the house
21:29:19 <Halcyon> How much are houses going for where you are?
21:29:40 <Stiff> ah nice 4 bedrooms on about 700sqm land
21:29:50 <Stiff> probably around 400k
21:29:54 <Halcyon> US?
21:29:58 <Stiff> aus
21:30:03 <Halcyon> Oh right
21:30:05 <Halcyon> Fucking cheap
21:30:41 <Stiff> yeah, its getting up there slowly
21:30:44 <Halcyon> $400k wouldn't even buy the land in these horrible new cookie cutter suburbs
21:31:02 <Stiff> eeek
21:31:14 <Halcyon> And people wonder why banks don't lend there
21:31:21 <Halcyon> It's insanity
21:31:35 <Halcyon> A lot of people will be in a bad situation when prices adjust
21:32:06 <Halcyon> A mate of mine bought in SW Sydney, paid over $1000 per sq.M of land
21:32:10 <Halcyon> JUST the land
21:32:11 <Stiff> i brought this block maybe 18months ago, its 670ish sqms, nbn ready, natural gas in a corner of a court
21:32:16 <Stiff> was 87k
21:32:19 <Halcyon> Awesome!
21:32:25 <Halcyon> Which area if you don't mind me asking/.
21:32:26 <Halcyon> ?
21:32:58 <Halcyon> I bought my block about 4 years ago, 2200sq.M for $185k
21:33:38 <Stiff> this is in robinvale
21:33:55 <Stiff> ohhh nice! thats great price
21:34:30 <Halcyon> For the Blue Mountains, absolutely
21:34:35 <Halcyon> Right place, right time
21:34:41 <Stiff> done well!
21:34:59 <Halcyon> I actually joked, because when I was checking out the block for the first time, a bird shat on me
21:35:05 <Halcyon> I vowed to cut down that fucking tree
21:35:12 <Halcyon> And I did
21:35:24 <Stiff> never been that far east
21:35:36 <Stiff> hahahah
21:35:38 <Halcyon> I grew up in Sydney
21:35:43 <Halcyon> You get over it quickly
21:36:03 <Halcyon> My sister moved to Cootamundra
21:36:04 <Stiff> i will never go there :)
21:36:23 <Halcyon> Oh I'm tempted to go to Tassie myself
21:36:27 <Halcyon> I absolutely love it there
21:36:33 <Stiff> tassie is nice
21:36:39 <Halcyon> DogWomble, grew up there
21:36:40 <Stiff> bit cold.for me
21:36:43 <Halcyon> Now he lives in Canberra
21:36:52 <Halcyon> He downgraded big time :P
21:36:56 <Stiff> ohhh same sort of climate
21:37:01 <DogWomble> yeah i did Halcyon
21:37:08 <Stiff> yeah canberra is a shit hole :p
21:37:22 <Stiff> no offence dogwomble
21:37:28 <Halcyon> Not quite as bad as Goulburn
21:37:31 <Halcyon> But close
21:37:41 <DogWomble> or Coma ... I meen cooma\
21:37:46 <Halcyon> Never been
21:38:18 <Halcyon> I think so far out of everywhere I've been, Hobart and surrounds is my favourite place in the country
21:38:39 <Halcyon> Or Mt Wellington
21:38:51 <Halcyon> Some nice houses there too
21:40:35 <Stiff> bermagui is my fav
21:40:50 <Halcyon> Ahh yeh nice
21:41:04 <Stiff> cant wait to go back, maybe after i sell this house lol
21:41:54 <Halcyon> I'd love to live on an island
21:42:04 <Halcyon> Norfolk maybe, Kangaroo island?
21:42:21 <Stiff> ever been to kangaroo island?
21:42:25 <Halcyon> Nope
21:42:28 <Halcyon> Sounds nice though
21:42:31 <K> hello
21:42:37 <Halcyon> Hey K
21:42:57 <Stiff> its ok, cost of.living probably up there with sydney
21:43:07 <Halcyon> Oh really?
21:43:13 <Stiff> food and fuel wise yeh
21:43:54 <Stiff> everything goes on the ferry so they call it ferry tax
21:45:21 <Halcyon> That I can sort of understand
21:45:33 <Halcyon> But not paying for U98 at almost $2.00 per litre in Sydney
21:45:35 <Halcyon> They can get fucked
21:46:11 <Stiff> how much for diesel in syd?
21:46:55 <K> fwiw diesel here is about $2.00 aud
21:47:07 <K> just checked
21:47:21 <Stiff> k where are youn
21:47:40 <K> Riga, Latvia
21:48:04 <Stiff> sorry, no idea where that is lol
21:48:07 <K> thh
21:48:26 <K> easternish europe, near baltic sea
21:51:22 <Stiff> that looks so soothing
21:51:44 <Stiff> what is that river
22:05:42 <Halcyon> Average for Diesel in the state I live in is 150.4 cents/litre
22:05:57 <Halcyon> Cheapest is 132.9 c/L and more expensive is 192.9 as of now
22:10:48 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm off to bed, night all
22:12:18 <gremlinz> Ampera, have updated the servers SSL, pls advise if the issue persists
22:15:01 <K> which river are you referring to?
22:17:06 <Stiff> dugava k
22:17:28 <Stiff> duagava sorry
22:17:41 <K> Daugava, yeah
22:18:05 <K> walked over it about 40 mins ago
22:18:19 <Stiff> its huge
22:18:29 <Stiff> is is fresh water?
22:18:37 <K> em, yea
22:19:02 <Stiff> what kind of fish can you catch in there
22:19:13 <K> oh no, fish talk
22:19:42 <Stiff> haha
22:19:53 <Stiff> not your thing?
22:20:35 <K> eh dont like fish very much
22:20:45 <K> they pee where they live :|
22:21:07 <Stiff> this is true, good fun catching them but
22:21:37 <K> Northern pike
22:21:45 <K> River bass
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22:22:11 <Ampera> gremlinz, working all fine
22:22:16 <K> um, Common roach
22:22:22 <Ampera> and I missed Halcyon by about 12 minutes
22:22:52 <K> Wels catfish
22:23:08 <K> thats about all relevant fish i know of
22:23:22 <K> relevant as in - it worth spending time catching them for food
22:24:12 * Ampera throws a sanctified mackerel at K
22:24:53 <K> eew.
22:26:15 <Stiff> would love to catch a wels catty
22:26:23 <Stiff> they can grow massive
22:29:58 <K> yeah
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