// #eevblog — 2019-10-21
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01:52:08 <rust_collector> hullo, mr steve
01:54:33 <steve30> hi
01:55:00 <rust_collector> is anything interesting happening out on the island today?
04:18:36 <coppice> there's rain
04:19:11 <rust_collector> nice
04:20:54 <coppice> and there's the usual brexit skullduggery
04:21:27 <coppice> and there's borscht
04:21:28 <rust_collector> oh, yeah. I have not heard anything about that in a while
04:24:24 <coppice> parliament sat yesterday for a brexit debate on what they termed super saturday. shows how dull an MPs average saturday must be
04:25:03 <rust_collector> lol, super saturday... yes
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04:26:19 <rust_collector> I will gues that they did not agree on anything?
04:31:09 <coppice> if they agree debate becomes pointless
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06:37:57 <Halcyon> *yawn* Morning all
06:39:13 * T3sl4 hands Halcyon a cup of coffee
06:39:16 <rust_collector> hey-o
06:40:04 <rust_collector> I was just watching them blow up the 2 cranes at the hard rock hotel, and I think it did not go exactly as planned, lol
06:41:57 * Ampera licks Halcyon
06:43:43 <Halcyon> :-)
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06:53:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, my voice is incredibly strong today.
06:54:16 <Ampera> My range is still increasing and improving, and I seem to be getting more control over tone and pitch.
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09:19:36 <Dissky> Hello
09:19:37 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Dissky!
09:19:55 <Dissky> My god irc in a browser. It's been a while
09:20:42 <T3sl4> fuck off EEVBlog
09:20:42 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, T3sl4!
09:20:47 <T3sl4> ayyy
09:21:02 <T3sl4> yep, much as the internet may change, IRC is forever
09:21:42 <Dissky> Does mirc the program still exist?
09:21:55 <Dissky> btw I understand I can google it
09:22:05 <T3sl4> think so
09:22:22 <Dissky> my god
09:22:40 <T3sl4> there's a dozen other clients out there tho, in varying states of usability
09:22:53 <T3sl4> i'm using pidgin, which is... fine
09:24:13 <Dissky> does anyone fancy answering a daft question about electronics or am I better off posting on forum?
09:25:00 <T3sl4> only one way to find out
09:27:33 <Dissky> Ok, so I have a pcb with hot cold and ground, buit the powersupply (UK) where the earth pin is plastic its an ac to ac 12v adapter, but some of my compoents require ground. Do I need to find another way of connecting this to earth?
09:28:10 <Chipguy> Hello
09:28:29 <Dissky> Hello Chipguy
09:28:36 <Chipguy> :)
09:28:45 <Chipguy> is EEVBlog a bot?
09:29:36 <Dissky> I think so
09:29:45 <Dissky> Psu in question is http://www.frequencycentral.co.uk/?page_id=894
09:29:48 <Chipguy> ah ok
09:30:09 <Chipguy> anyway, need to go again
09:30:11 <Chipguy> nite
09:30:17 * orbii hums.
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09:42:43 <Dissky> I might have to post on a forum, to be fair it's 20 to 12 here and I've got shit to do tomorrow, don't mean to be rude but hay I've got to go
09:43:34 <Dissky> Thank you for support though.
09:43:37 <Dissky> Nite
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10:53:10 * orbii looks about
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11:16:20 <orbii> hey.
11:58:09 <rust_collector> morning all you people
11:58:17 <rust_collector> and the rest of you too
12:10:18 <rust_collector> so, it is 3 in the morning, and my compressor just started up outside. I guess I won't be talkng to the neighbors later today
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19:47:58 * Halcyon hisses at Ampera
19:48:22 * steve30 puts Halcyon outside
19:49:21 <steve30> hmm, I have to go out now too. Maybe Halcyon can keep me company.
19:50:29 <Halcyon> :P
19:50:32 <Halcyon> Where you going?
19:50:47 <steve30> Doctors
19:50:55 <Halcyon> That doesn't sound fun
19:50:59 <steve30> and if I feel like it, I'll go to the gym after.
19:52:55 * steve30 afk
19:53:00 <Halcyon> steve30; How much do you think is a fair price for a genuine 3DFX 12MB Voodoo II card?
20:05:51 <Halcyon> Anyone?
20:08:28 <orbii> the value would very much d epend on the person willing to buy it
20:09:12 <orbii> i wouldnt be surprised if you saw $AUD150-200
20:11:47 <Halcyon> It's up to $120 at the moment
20:12:01 <Halcyon> The 8 MB versions seem to go for about $100-$130
20:12:14 <Halcyon> I'm tempted to splerge on this one though.
20:12:26 <orbii> fair enough
20:12:30 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3Dfx-VOODOO-2-DIAMOND-MONSTER-3D-II-PCI-12-MB-Vintage-Graphics-Card/174061602787?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649
20:12:53 * DogWomble waves
20:12:56 <Halcyon> Hey Tim
20:13:01 <DogWomble> how goes/
20:13:04 <T3sl4> hi
20:13:11 <DogWomble> Hey T3sl4
20:13:12 <Halcyon> Alright, watching a Voodoo 2 card on ebay at the moment
20:13:18 <Halcyon> I've been outbid
20:13:33 <orbii> i never liked the pass-through stuff in 3dfx. the Nvidia RIVA TNT2 Ultra i had back in the day was nicer.
20:13:42 <Halcyon> Oh I agree
20:13:57 <Stiff> nvidia ftw
20:14:13 <DogWomble> my old pentium 2 400 used to have one of the first generation riva tnt's
20:14:14 <Halcyon> But these things hold a certain nostalgic value. I have an 8MB card which I first bought when I worked in a computer store when I was still in school
20:14:22 <Halcyon> I think I paid about $330 for it back the
20:14:23 <Halcyon> then
20:14:36 <orbii> it makes me cry when i think about all the hardware i've thrown out that vintage folk that i now know and would clamor over :/ .. oh well
20:14:40 <Halcyon> I'd like to finally upgrade my Pentium III 450 MHz machine with this sucker
20:15:01 <DogWomble> orbii, I've actually been motivated to work on some of my old vintage stuff
20:15:02 <Halcyon> orbii: I am *exactly* the same. I once destroyed an IBM PS/2 286
20:15:13 <Halcyon> I have since acquired another one, but yeh. I was dumb.
20:15:17 <DogWomble> i've sent the power supply of my bbc model b off to Halcyon so i can get new caps :)
20:15:26 <orbii> DogWomble: oldest stuff i really have are consoles - ps1/2, particularly.
20:15:42 <orbii> otherwise the move interstate saw me throw out everything older
20:15:56 <Halcyon> I'd love an old Playstation with the Singstar and Buzz games... many drunken nights playing those
20:16:04 <DogWomble> yeah, i want to get the bbc going, it was one of the macchines i started out on as a kid
20:16:10 <orbii> my personal ps2 i've owned since release even has the network/hdd adapter :)
20:16:25 <Halcyon> I didn't know they came with a network adapter?
20:16:34 <orbii> yup, it's a dual network/hdd thing - goes in the back
20:16:35 <Halcyon> Then again, I wasn't really into consoles/games when was younger
20:17:00 <orbii> takes IDE hard drives - though i've put in a different board in mine for SATA
20:17:08 <Halcyon> I now own some of the consoles my friends always had but I didn't, such as the Megadrive, Mastersystem and the original Gameboy
20:17:21 <Halcyon> I was a Z80 / PC nerd back in the day
20:17:25 <orbii> i even have a playstation 1 in original box, with all the cables, manuals, etc :/
20:17:35 <Halcyon> Nice :)
20:17:48 <Stiff> me too orbii loved my ps1 :)
20:18:05 <Halcyon> I've been wanting to catalog, photograph and tear down some of my old gear onto a website, but I just haven't had the time.
20:18:08 <DogWomble> once i get the PSU back and the retrobriting finished, i want to sort out what i'm going to do with storage and monitors
20:18:34 <Halcyon> Also, disclaimer DogWomble: If it goes bang when you get it back, no blame :P
20:18:50 <DogWomble> :D
20:19:12 <Halcyon> I obviously have no way of testing it as you can appreciate. I can check voltages, but that's about it.
20:19:36 <orbii> i've had to repair a few PS1 and PS2 before - they're relatively straight forward
20:19:42 <orbii> i wanna try a PS3 and PS4 soon
20:19:47 <DogWomble> yeah, there's only so much you can do with it extracted out of the machine
20:20:04 <DogWomble> i assume the most is a smoke test and make sure voltages seem right
20:20:10 <Halcyon> I'm hoping the drawings and whatnot have the proper voltages on them
20:20:18 <Halcyon> Otherwise, fucked if I know what they are supposed to be.
20:20:30 <Halcyon> I'll look for the usual 12 and 5 volt suspects
20:20:43 <Halcyon> Maybe 3.3
20:21:00 <Halcyon> But I'm guessing most old stuff wouldn't use 3 volt packages?
20:21:28 * Halcyon prods T3sl4
20:21:44 <T3sl4> buh
20:21:46 <DogWomble> http://www.8bs.com/othrdnld/manuals/circuit/bpsu.zip
20:21:54 <Halcyon> Old shit... mostly 5v logic?
20:22:03 <DogWomble> the more informative of the two seems to suggest 12v and 5v
20:22:13 <Halcyon> That's what I would expect
20:23:05 <T3sl4> check datasheets?
20:23:12 <DogWomble> i just have to make sure the right cables go to the right places when i reconnect it
20:23:28 <Halcyon> Sure, but in general
20:23:33 <T3sl4> if you see a lot of 74LS or HCT, or classic NMOS ICs, it's 5V
20:23:42 <DogWomble> because i'm not sure i want to put 12v through a circuit that's only designed for 5
20:23:56 * orbii contemplates Diyode magazine
20:24:03 <Halcyon> You labelled everything before you tore it apart right DogWomble ?
20:24:11 <DogWomble> i got a photo Halcyon :)
20:24:22 <Halcyon> Even better
20:25:04 <orbii> Halcyyon: did you see https://i.imgur.com/etehV1u.jpg
20:25:14 <orbii> i posted last night? .. i've since updated it .. but yeah
20:25:19 <Halcyon> I did not
20:25:24 <Halcyon> I like it
20:25:26 <orbii> k
20:25:37 <Halcyon> What are the small LCDs in the rack?
20:25:44 <orbii> those are Odroid ARM systems
20:25:51 <Halcyon> Cute
20:25:54 <orbii> specifically - a Cloudshell1 and a Cloudshell2
20:26:00 <Halcyon> Runnig Linux obviously?
20:26:02 <orbii> yeah
20:26:14 <orbii> (there's also a plain jane xu4, u3 and n2)
20:26:25 <orbii> i like ARM embedded stuff
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20:27:17 <Halcyon> I'll have to show you my server room porn some day, at the moment it's a mess as I'm re-arranging some things.
20:27:26 <orbii> im more of a coder/sysadmin/netadmin than an electronics person - but i'm slowly learning
20:27:41 <orbii> well, this is just what i have in this house as a rental
20:27:42 <Halcyon> Likewise (minus the coder)
20:27:48 <orbii> my old house where i owned was .. a little more extreme
20:28:20 <Halcyon> Although I haven't been a proper fulltime network/server admin for about 13 years, apart from the stuff I do at home.
20:28:32 <Halcyon> My speciality these days is cyber security/digital forensics
20:28:35 <orbii> https://i.imgur.com/ucAk6mT.jpg that was the house rack then .. and the https://i.imgur.com/5DAqmli.jpg lab racks
20:28:47 <Halcyon> But I want to get back into networking as my own business
20:28:56 * orbii nods
20:29:10 <Halcyon> Holyshit, talk about overkill :P
20:29:16 <orbii> yeahhhh .. as i said.
20:29:19 <orbii> but i never do anything by halves.
20:29:23 <DogWomble> i only wish i had an opportunity to do network admin, i got some basic training back when Windows NT 4 was still a thing, i'm a little bit srusty now but i can usually make the things i want to work work
20:29:49 <Halcyon> I have a half-height Dell rack which is full
20:29:59 <orbii> i always figured i'd be a coder, but fell into sysadmin and then netadmin .. my current job is technically netadmin but i also lead the linux team as their technical escalation point :/
20:30:02 <Halcyon> Probably running about 24 active ports around the house and inside the rack at the moment
20:30:30 <Halcyon> I did all the cabling here myself as it was being built.
20:30:37 <Halcyon> Threw UBNT APs everywhere
20:30:41 * orbii nods
20:30:45 <orbii> UBNT is pretty good
20:30:51 <DogWomble> when i started my career, i made the mistake of going into Helldesk, pretty much every recruiter once they saw that basically wouldnt' consider mee even for desktop support
20:30:55 <Halcyon> For the money, they are fantastic
20:31:04 <Halcyon> I have 2 of the bigger outdoor units too
20:31:17 <orbii> i used to be part of a community-run wireless project before i moved interstate .. lots and lots of mikrotik and ubnt gear .. even on my roof on a mast
20:31:26 <Halcyon> Shits all over the subscription/cloud based crap that Cisco/Meraki are peddling these days
20:32:26 <DogWomble> yeah, when they put the public wifi in here in whatever locations they put it in, where i've seen the eqipment i remember it being cisco
20:32:49 <Halcyon> Look, Cisco and HP/Aruba radios are great, but you also pay a lot for them.
20:33:26 <Halcyon> Ubiquiti is more cutting edge, some things they do in terms of software updates isn't always great, but you can forgive them for what you pay.
20:33:33 <Halcyon> Reliability I have never had a problem with them
20:33:53 <DogWomble> well i suspect the reason they get used a lot is because they've become the dominant standard, i've lost track of who is 'technically' better but at least if you go cisco you know you're going to find people that know it
20:34:00 <DogWomble> cisco that is
20:34:10 <Halcyon> I class UBNT as "Enterprise grade". They pack a lot of functionality and performance into their gear.
20:34:21 <Halcyon> I don't like their routing/security products though, they can get fucked.
20:34:41 <orbii> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/8ioIGS4.jpg this was on the mast
20:34:58 <Halcyon> I think their USG's are bush-league compared to free, opensource offerings
20:35:13 <Halcyon> Oooh sexy, where is the other end?
20:35:34 <Halcyon> Is that a UHF antenna I also spy?
20:35:44 <orbii> nah.. 2.4ghz omni
20:35:56 <Halcyon> Ahh, sort of hard to see where pole ends, antenna starts
20:35:59 <orbii> heh, yeah
20:36:04 <Halcyon> I thought it might have been a 1/2 wave job or something
20:36:12 <orbii> i do have a ham license, but i never use it
20:36:30 <Halcyon> What were the Wi-Fi links for?
20:36:43 <orbii> as above - community wireless network
20:36:50 <Halcyon> Oh, copy.
20:36:51 <orbii> mainly for experimenting/learning and stuff
20:36:53 <Halcyon> Sorry, you did say that
20:36:58 <orbii> interesting BGP/routing/etc]
20:37:28 <Halcyon> BGP would be interesting
20:37:33 <Halcyon> I have almost no experience with it
20:38:42 <DogWomble> yeah, i kinda know what BGP is from doing my time in ISP support, don't really understand it more than tha
20:41:05 <orbii> yeah, i've done BGP in production networks since about 97/8
20:41:19 <orbii> i know it way better than i know EIGRP or OSPF or something
20:41:26 <orbii> which i only really know superficially
20:41:58 <Halcyon> Talking to people like you make me realise how vast fields of IT really are
20:42:07 <Halcyon> And how impossible it is to know "everything"
21:19:55 <K> hello
21:27:35 <orbii> Halcyon: i know lots - and i barely know shit :)
21:28:06 <orbii> thankfully some employers recognise weird people like me with a broad range of skills :)
21:29:37 <Halcyon> Yay! I won the Voodoo 2
21:29:50 <Halcyon> $222
21:30:32 <K> i have a voodoo 3 somewhere
21:30:44 <Halcyon> Awesome K - I've never used one
21:30:52 <Halcyon> I have an old 8MB Voodoo2
21:30:59 <Halcyon> But its the only 3DFX card I have
21:31:04 <K> yeah, i got it used in my 2nd pc
21:31:18 <K> quake arena yay
21:31:29 <Halcyon> They seem to go for a pretty price and they aren't all that common
21:31:48 <Halcyon> I've had a filter set for "3DFX" and "Voodoo" for years and never manage to grab one
21:33:15 * orbii thinks about the days in .. late 97 or was it 98 .. being awed by the 3d effects in quake and carmageddon from 3dfx cards
21:35:10 <orbii> wonder if there's a way to turn the standby LED on the SDM3055 off
21:35:35 <Halcyon> Yup
21:35:42 <Halcyon> I should dig up my old machine
21:36:10 <Halcyon> I mean, I get VMs are a thing but it's nothing like period correct hardware
21:40:39 <orbii> i hear ya
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21:47:34 <orbii> huh, the continuity test on the Siglent 3055 is as bad as they say.
21:47:55 <orbii> guess i wont be putting my handheld meter away anytime soon
22:01:06 <Halcyon> Should have got an EEVBlog 121GW :P
22:10:34 <orbii> an eevblog 121gw isnt a bench meter, but i hear ya
22:10:44 <orbii> my ancient Brymen is still a great handheld option
22:10:52 <orbii> and its continuity it awesome
22:11:05 <orbii> sooo .. i just powered up the Vextrex for the first time ... got it working that far
22:11:33 <orbii> it all works, too.
22:11:35 <Halcyon> True
22:11:50 <Halcyon> I actually used my 121GW the other week to do temperature logging
22:11:57 <Halcyon> It worked brilliantly
22:12:36 <orbii> i was warned the continuity on this bench meter was shit .. i was pondering one of those cheapie vici VC8145 to supplement it
22:12:52 <orbii> but eh. this handheld aint going anywhere really.
22:13:11 <Halcyon> I meant to ask, what brings you to EEVBlog?
22:13:15 <Halcyon> You been a fan for a while?
22:13:21 <orbii> watching Dave for years
22:13:27 <Halcyon> Yeh nice
22:13:30 <orbii> been on irc for ~25 years .. figured i'd poke my head in
22:13:38 <Halcyon> Sound like me
22:13:46 <orbii> and my interest in electronics stuff has been escalating recently
22:13:56 <orbii> gotta have something 'not computers' to do as a hobby at home :p
22:14:04 <Halcyon> T3sl4, is always a good bloke to talk to
22:14:07 <Halcyon> Very switched on
22:14:08 * orbii looks at the working Vectrex, happy
22:14:14 <Halcyon> He is my go-to for anything EE
22:14:24 * T3sl4 pulse width modulates Halcyon
22:14:28 <orbii> it needs a complete recap, new transformer, and a really thorough clean - but it works :D
22:14:34 <Halcyon> Quit it :P
22:14:36 <orbii> cool :D
22:14:57 <T3sl4> somewhat rare, got games for it?
22:15:27 <Halcyon> Vectex were big in the UK weren't they?
22:15:32 <orbii> not sure
22:15:46 <orbii> T3sl4: it's not mine, but the owner has several original games yeah
22:16:07 <T3sl4> ah
22:16:15 <orbii> owner handed it over with the words 'its broken - youve been working on electronics stuff lately - have a go'
22:16:22 <orbii> co-worker of mine
22:16:38 <Halcyon> You don't work at IBM by any chance do you?
22:16:45 <orbii> i do not
22:18:21 <orbii> it's a really clean unit, other than the dust.
22:18:21 <Halcyon> Coolies :)
22:18:21 <coppice> Halcyon: these days it might be better to ask if someone used to work for IBM
22:18:21 <orbii> haha
22:18:21 <Halcyon> Coppice: Too true
22:18:21 <orbii> i've never worked at IBM
22:18:21 <orbii> i've mainly worked at internet providers, telcos, hosting providers, etc
22:18:21 <Halcyon> I don't tend to hear many good things from those who come out of IT/Service
22:18:21 <Halcyon> (at IBM)
22:18:21 <orbii> not sure
22:18:21 <orbii> i've known lots of people from Fujitsu - hear lots of positive out of them
22:18:21 <Halcyon> They do good work the Japs
22:18:49 <coppice> they used to. so many Japanese companies seem to have lost the plot now
22:19:19 <Halcyon> I can't say I'm an expert, but yeh I guess. My father worked as an EE for Sharp many years ago
22:19:27 <Halcyon> They've almost fallen off the face of the earth
22:19:39 <Halcyon> Did good work in the 80's and 90's though
22:19:57 <coppice> Sharp used to be really.....er..... Sharp, and now they are just a licenced name going onto other people's products
22:20:03 <Halcyon> Yup
22:20:18 <Halcyon> I still have some of their original "Engineering Sample" Viewcams and other camcorders
22:20:24 <Halcyon> No surprise, they still work just fine
22:20:49 <Halcyon> I almost bought one of their TVs when I built this house, except then they stopped making consumer LCDs
22:20:54 <Halcyon> The bastards
22:21:19 <Halcyon> I settled for Phillips instead
22:21:45 <coppice> there are lots of cheap Sharp branded TVs in the shops in Europe, but they are Turkish products with the name licenced to go on the front
22:22:23 <Halcyon> Yeh, not interested. When I was in the market for a TV, I wanted a good quality picture/panel and the least amount of "smarts" as possible.
22:22:31 <coppice> Philips have give up making TVs, too, but I think the Philips ones you now see in the shops are still being marketed by Philips
22:22:35 <Halcyon> Everything I use it for comes in on the one HDMI input
22:22:52 <Halcyon> I bought this one about 4-5 years ago
22:23:21 <coppice> Its amazing how many things Philips has abandoned
22:23:27 <Halcyon> It's a shame
22:23:43 <Halcyon> It's hard to find high quality electronics these days.
22:24:03 <Halcyon> I mean, Sony, Samsung and LG are alright, but even they have their bottom of the barrel stuff.
22:24:11 <Halcyon> Sony you mainly pay for the brand
22:24:58 <coppice> well, we found this week that Samsugn TVs perform really poorly after being dropped
22:25:11 <Halcyon> Cracked it?
22:25:24 <coppice> I think shattered is the right word
22:25:30 <Halcyon> Ouch
22:25:54 <orbii> huh. it doesnt have DHCP o.O
22:26:04 <Halcyon> What doesn't orbii ?
22:26:13 <orbii> the Siglent multimeter
22:26:23 <orbii> i was wondering why i couldnt see it in my DHCP leases
22:26:36 <orbii> checked the config, it's defaulted to 192.168.0.2/24
22:26:42 <orbii> weird af
22:26:43 <Halcyon> That's unusual. Static only?
22:26:46 <orbii> seems like it?
22:26:47 <K> strange
22:26:51 <orbii> nothing about DHCP in the manual either
22:26:51 <Halcyon> Huh
22:26:58 <coppice> that samsung TV had a number of annoying bugs, most of which I think were hardware ones. e.g. The HDMI 2 inputs never really supported HDMI 2
22:27:00 <K> can you change it with knobs?
22:27:07 <Halcyon> It's not something funky like 0.0.0.0/24 ?
22:27:16 <orbii> yeah, it's changable.
22:27:28 <Halcyon> Sure but to "envoke" DHCP
22:27:34 <orbii> not that i can see
22:27:41 <orbii> manual doesnt seem to mention any automatic setting, either
22:27:44 <orbii> i'm surprised.
22:27:47 <K> eh
22:27:51 <K> internets are hard.
22:27:55 <Halcyon> Yeh likewise
22:27:56 <orbii> i was gonna give it a static address anyway :p
22:28:06 <orbii> but .. this just makes it harder to enter ;
22:28:13 <Halcyon> Assigned by DHCP though surely?
22:28:14 <Halcyon> :P
22:28:23 <orbii> well, i'll reserve it in the DHCP scope anyway
22:28:23 <coppice> instruments usually need a static address you can consistently connect to, so I guess defaulting to DHCP is not the best thing
22:28:52 <orbii> maybe. my oscilloscope and power supply both have dhcp tho :/
22:29:33 <Halcyon> orbii, what about something like BOOTP ?
22:29:38 <Halcyon> Does it support that ?
22:29:38 <orbii> nah,
22:29:43 <orbii> bootp is compatible anyway.
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22:29:45 <Halcyon> hmph
22:29:57 <orbii> funnily enough, i learned bootp before dhcp existed
22:29:59 <orbii> and rarp :/
22:30:01 <Halcyon> New firmware perhaps?
22:30:09 <orbii> yeah, i could try - but i think it's pretty new
22:30:11 <coppice> BOOTP sounds like someone let the P run down their leg
22:30:17 <Halcyon> Bahaha
22:30:27 <orbii> "Changelog 1. Add DHCP function to IP addressing"
22:30:29 <orbii> ah maybe not :)
22:30:35 <Halcyon> *smirk*
22:30:37 <orbii> heh
22:30:58 <orbii> mentioned for the model above mine, but i'm sure it's similar
22:31:13 * orbii goes to download some firmware
22:31:46 <Halcyon> Considering DHCP has been around since the 90's, I was surprised
22:32:01 <orbii> hrm, nope
22:32:06 <orbii> im on the latest firmware
22:32:07 <Halcyon> No go?
22:32:27 <Halcyon> Hm
22:32:32 <orbii> they fixed it on the next model up, not this one .. at least yet.
22:32:37 <orbii> *eyeroll*
22:32:54 <Halcyon> Bugger
22:32:57 <orbii> 18/4/18 vs. 29/3/19
22:33:06 <orbii> rude.
22:33:52 <orbii> probably means they *will* eventually.
22:34:41 <Halcyon> The song 1999 by Prince comes to mind :P
22:37:11 <orbii> k. now it pings.
22:37:24 <orbii> it's in the reserved part of the scope, but i'll add an entry anyway
22:38:00 <Halcyon> :)
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