// #eevblog — 2019-10-16
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00:53:10 <steve30> afternoon
00:59:18 <Ampera> morning, steve30
01:14:47 * steve30 hugs Ampera
01:15:01 * Ampera hugs Ampera too
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04:58:03 <Charan> I am trying to get into ham radio. For a ham radio
04:59:09 <Charan> We need A perfect oscillator I am ok with the amplifier design but i am unable to design a feedback circuit to generate oscillations can someone help me
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06:38:35 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
07:57:49 * steve30 waves to Halcyon
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08:53:28 <steve30> VLC > iTunes
10:26:03 <Ampera> VTRs > Blockbuster
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10:48:22 * orbii wonders what a VTR is
10:48:32 <orbii> google says 'view through rate' o.O
10:48:53 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBohd0V2Mo
10:49:03 <Ampera> orbii, ^
10:49:34 <orbii> <title>Video Killed The Radio Star - YouTube</title>
10:49:35 <orbii> k
10:50:19 <Ampera> https://genius.com/Buggles-video-killed-the-radio-star-lyrics Chorus 3 last line, orbii
10:51:34 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_tape_recorder
10:52:44 <orbii> never heard of it
10:52:54 <orbii> i believe 'VCR' is the more common initialism
10:53:13 <Ampera> thank you for the correct and apt use of the term initialism.
10:53:27 <Ampera> and while it is, that specifically refers to non-open-reel VTRs
10:53:37 <Ampera> I used the broader term because it sounds cooler
10:53:57 <orbii> i get really annoyed when people use the term 'acronym' incorrectly.
10:55:16 <orbii> ive never seen any VTR systems before, i suspect not used much outside of broadcast systems
10:55:22 <Ampera> orbii, more or less than when people use Scandinavia to refer to Fennoscandia?
10:55:32 <orbii> i dont know what that is
10:55:35 <Ampera> so you've never used a VHS machine?
10:55:40 <orbii> plenty of times
10:55:49 <orbii> but i would call it a VCR, not a VTR
10:55:52 <orbii> as that's what ti is
10:56:00 <orbii> i've used betamax, too
10:56:34 <Ampera> All VCRs are VTRs, but not all VTRs are VCRs
10:56:45 <orbii> sure.
10:57:31 <orbii> were any reel-reel VTR systems ever used in a consumer environment?
10:57:57 <Ampera> define consumer environment
10:58:00 <Ampera> sold in stores? no
10:58:28 * orbii shrugs
10:58:31 * orbii googles 'Fennoscandia'
10:59:32 <orbii> i dont think i ever talk about that region to ever use those terms
10:59:42 <orbii> i'd probably get it wrong due to that, mind
10:59:51 <orbii> i have no real knowledge of most of europe
11:00:26 <orbii> not alone nordic countries
11:00:34 <Ampera> Where do you live?
11:00:36 <orbii> Australia
11:00:54 <Ampera> hrm, I live in the land of guns
11:01:38 <orbii> i similarly have no real idea about the US. i remember having a fun conversation with someone in the US because they were saying something was in the north or south - i cant remember which - but it wasnt actually in the north or south of the country geographically, but was referring to the .. i cant remember - some line due to the wars of north vs south or osmething
11:01:52 <orbii> confusing as shit
11:02:24 <orbii> mason dixon line says google
11:02:51 <Ampera> perhaps I'll need to learn you a thing or two about the land of obesity, fake tits, and explosions
11:26:21 <orbii> sounds awful.
11:26:30 <orbii> i'd prefer not.
12:03:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @WilkieMP: Julian Assange has suffered enough. It's time to end this geopolitical madness. The man's an Australian. He's not an American…
13:24:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: For those playing along at home, the shoes fit. If you don't know what I'm talking about, carry on, nothing to see here. https://t.co/4YWCHWh44d
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14:00:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Extra detail: These Altra shoes with "Zero drop" were recommended by my physio to alleviate some knee issues partly caused by my high arch. Which actually turned out to be an issue caused by my butt. So I am literally a tight arse.
14:05:33 <orbii> so many jokes. too easy.
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19:39:10 <Halcyon> Mew
19:42:03 <T3sl4> Moo
19:42:07 <Halcyon> Foom
19:42:18 <T3sl4> µ
19:42:24 <Halcyon> What's doing?
19:42:29 <T3sl4> it do
19:42:54 <T3sl4> was just playing with my resonant converter circuit again
19:43:08 * Halcyon vibrates on T3sl4
19:43:42 * T3sl4 converts Halcyon
19:43:55 <Halcyon> Everything is upside down
19:46:19 <Halcyon> My package to Clive has left the country
19:46:26 <Halcyon> I'm just hoping it makes it into the UK
19:46:45 <T3sl4> *six weeks later*
19:47:14 <Halcyon> Heh, it has a small lithium pack in it and the UK prohibit importing them
19:48:23 <Halcyon> I'm just hoping they won't notice/care
19:58:28 * Halcyon noms on lamb rogan josh
19:59:15 <T3sl4> mm, lamb
19:59:26 <Halcyon> I make mine spicy though
19:59:35 <Halcyon> Everything is better with chilli
20:14:44 <T3sl4> :)
20:25:13 <orbii> it really is.
20:25:24 <Halcyon> Even chocolate
20:25:35 <orbii> i know. i've had it many times.
20:25:47 <Halcyon> I had chilli wine once
20:25:50 <Halcyon> It was too sweet for me
20:26:01 <Halcyon> It was like a sicky sweet moscato mixed with chilli
20:26:06 <Halcyon> *sickly
20:26:11 <orbii> oh, lame.
20:26:21 <Halcyon> Yeh, disappointing. If it was drier, it would have been quite nice
20:26:46 * orbii nods
20:26:51 <orbii> drier tends to be better, generally.
20:27:24 <Halcyon> I can't stomach sweet wine, it's like lolly water
20:27:28 <DogWomble> i had a pretty decent bottle of wine saturday night, given i'm not a major wine drinker it went down well
20:27:29 <Ampera> .
20:27:42 <Halcyon> Verdelho is about as sweet as I can go
20:27:48 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
20:27:53 <Halcyon> *cuddles*
20:28:00 <DogWomble> i generally drink beer or whisky, and generally only in occasional quantaties
20:28:01 <Ampera> ew, affection
20:28:16 <Halcyon> Fuck off, you love it
20:28:46 <Ampera> the only thing is death and the notion that my pain may one day cease
20:28:51 <Ampera> which are sort of the same thing
20:29:00 <Ampera> *thing I love
20:29:23 * orbii wrinkles nose
20:29:46 <orbii> pain stopping would be kinda chill though.
20:29:48 <Ampera> oh and guns, I love guns
20:29:56 <orbii> i dont remember life without pain :/
20:29:58 <Ampera> knives too, swiss army knives
20:30:03 <Ampera> I do, shit was great
20:30:07 <orbii> lucky.
20:30:08 <Halcyon> I've had shoulder pain all week
20:30:09 <Ampera> then I discovered I have a penis, then it was not so great
20:30:11 <Halcyon> I could do with a massage
20:30:17 <orbii> do penises make pain worse?
20:30:22 <Ampera> for me they do
20:30:24 <orbii> oh, okay.
20:30:30 <Ampera> exactly
20:30:35 <Halcyon> orbii, if you haven't met Ampera, you're in for a surprise
20:30:40 <orbii> okay?
20:30:41 <Ampera> not a good one either
20:30:52 <Ampera> one full of depression, shitty jokes, and in general being jaded and unlikable
20:30:53 <Halcyon> He is a unique person. Very smart, but not without his demons.
20:31:01 <orbii> Halycon: so like most of us?
20:31:12 <Halcyon> *shrug*, I'm quite normal and almost always happy
20:31:15 <Ampera> yeah, but unlike the lot of you I am genuinely fucked up
20:31:21 <Halcyon> Unless you count being gay as being unique?
20:31:25 <Ampera> no it's not
20:31:31 <Halcyon> It used to be
20:31:41 <Ampera> being openly gay was /unique/
20:31:44 <Halcyon> Now the straights fucking act like queens and soy boys. I hate it.
20:31:54 <Ampera> sorry, I'll try to stop that
20:32:00 <Ampera> so long as the gays do too
20:32:06 <Ampera> you included
20:32:07 <Halcyon> You aren't straight idiot
20:32:13 <Ampera> I can dream though
20:32:15 <Ampera> I can dream
20:32:18 <Halcyon> We can all dream
20:32:39 <Ampera> my dreams usually involve me dying painfully and sexually
20:33:01 <Ampera> I like my dreams
20:33:17 <Ampera> the only problem is I never know if they are nightmares, since I like all of them so much
20:33:22 <Ampera> except wet dreams, those can get fucked
20:34:48 <orbii> i used to be pretty genuinely fucked up, but i dont think i am so much these days.
20:34:54 <Ampera> I also have the insane ability to make people no longer want to talk to me anymore
20:34:59 <Halcyon> I have never had a wet dream
20:35:07 <orbii> Halcyon: they sound weird
20:35:10 <Ampera> that's because you masturbate regularly
20:35:13 <Halcyon> Yup
20:35:15 <Halcyon> :D
20:35:17 <Ampera> I've never masturbated (successfully) once in my entire life
20:35:25 <Ampera> so that means they just sort of happen
20:36:13 <Halcyon> Without getting too personal, what is the frequency?
20:36:19 <Halcyon> I've always wondered
20:36:34 <Ampera> irregular
20:36:54 <Halcyon> As in, monthly?
20:36:57 <Halcyon> More?
20:37:09 <Ampera> could be days in a row, could be once a week, could go weeks without
20:37:18 <Ampera> no set schedule, they simply happen
20:37:22 <orbii> o.O
20:37:28 <Ampera> it always feels like I'm pissing myself :/
20:38:11 <Halcyon> Hm
20:38:18 <Halcyon> I guess at least you're in bed when it happens
20:38:34 <Ampera> how is that any good
20:38:45 <Ampera> I mean I suppose better than being in public
20:38:45 <Halcyon> Better than being in public and fully awake and walking around
20:39:04 <Ampera> if anything wet dreams are my nightmares, my mind forces me into sexual situations I don't want to be in
20:39:20 <Ampera> like fucking something, even though I really really don't like the idea and get no joy out of it at all
20:39:34 <Halcyon> Could you become a unic? Is that still a thing?
20:39:52 <Ampera> eunuch, and no
20:39:55 <Ampera> you have to be a child for that
20:40:07 <Ampera> it's been illegal since the late 1800's
20:40:10 <Halcyon> Damn
20:40:22 <Halcyon> There goes that
20:40:39 <Ampera> people are trying to mutilate small children every day though over here
20:40:39 <Ampera> so
20:40:55 <Halcyon> Anyway, Ampera, changing the topic
20:40:58 <Ampera> give it time, they'll be giving SRS to pre-pubescents soon enough
20:41:02 <Halcyon> Fucking try those noodles already
20:41:13 <Halcyon> Also, welcome orbii, not sure if we've spoken before?
20:41:19 <Ampera> the thing is you tell me to eat it on a day where I have nothing going on
20:41:25 <Ampera> and I haven't had a day like that in a while
20:41:36 <Ampera> so I'm waiting for a moment where I feel like eating them
20:41:39 <Halcyon> But you also tell me you have a cast iron stomach
20:41:44 <Ampera> I do
20:41:45 <Halcyon> So... this is a risk you need to weigh up
20:41:48 <Ampera> so it'll probably be fine
20:41:55 <Halcyon> Then do it :P
20:41:57 <Ampera> but more to the point, I'm lazy
20:42:06 <Halcyon> *palm*
20:42:24 <Halcyon> It takes <5 minutes to make
20:42:38 <Halcyon> Also, I would like to laugh at your physical pain
20:42:40 <Halcyon> :P
20:42:41 <Ampera> I'm very lazy
20:42:49 <Ampera> you already laugh at my mental pain
20:42:52 <Ampera> what makes that any different
20:42:57 <Halcyon> I have never done that
20:43:06 <Ampera> lol, wimp
20:43:14 <Halcyon> I mean, I call you a cunt and all, but I would never be an actual cunt to you
20:43:19 <Ampera> what kinda pussy ass faggot can't kick a man when he's down
20:43:27 <Halcyon> Umm... a faggot?
20:43:40 <Ampera> lol
20:43:46 <Halcyon> Fuck you're dumb sometimes :P
20:43:52 <Ampera> but you're the straightest boi I know, Halcyon
20:44:01 <Halcyon> You take that back!
20:44:04 <Halcyon> *slap*
20:44:16 <Ampera> the feigning of stupidity and ignorance is one of life's greatest pleasures
20:44:21 <orbii> Halcyon: hi, i guess. i'm just some dumb aussie who dropped in. been watching eevblog for years, figured i'd see if there was an irc presence, as i'd been ircing for 25+ years.
20:44:23 <Ampera> I'd say try it on occasion, but you tend to do it innately
20:44:52 <Halcyon> That's OK, Ampera is a dumb cunt from Retardistan
20:44:52 <Ampera> welcome to the party
20:45:04 <Ampera> I do actually live in a small islamic caliphate
20:45:09 <Halcyon> Aww you beat me on the years on IRC
20:45:13 <Halcyon> I've been around for about 20
20:45:30 <Halcyon> Where in AU you from?
20:45:38 <Ampera> and you still don't know how to work a ZNC
20:45:49 <orbii> i've never used a ZNC
20:46:32 <Ampera> I started using one about a month after I first started using IRC full time
20:46:44 <Ampera> I run a ZNC, and three persistent IRC clients, two with remote access
20:47:00 <orbii> running a persistent irc client doesnt need a bouncer, though
20:47:09 <Ampera> it does when you run three
20:47:19 <Halcyon> If you're on the NBN, you might :P
20:47:21 <orbii> i'm currnetly running 4, but okay
20:47:39 <Ampera> well technically so am I because
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20:48:09 <orbii> i've only ever IRC'd from ssh/telnet clients into remote hosts - so it's a bit different for me :)
20:48:17 <orbii> (and yes, it was telnet back in the day..)
20:48:24 <Ampera> I know what telnet is
20:48:46 <Ampera> I spend all day looking up and reading about old tech nobody (or at least most people) uses anymore
20:48:57 <Ampera> and then the rest of the day using old tech nobody uses anymore
20:49:11 <orbii> i dont use much old tech, really
20:49:37 <Halcyon> BRB, just chatting to DogWomble
20:49:40 <Ampera> well my main (and only functioning) printer is a 20-ish year old DMI printer
20:49:52 <Ampera> attached to a Pentium Pro 233 machine I do all of my papers on
20:50:08 <orbii> huh, 233. i only ever had a dual-200
20:50:39 <Ampera> that's because intel never made a 233
20:50:45 <orbii> ah, these were intel
20:50:55 <Ampera> so is mine
20:51:03 <orbii> 'k
20:51:04 <Ampera> no PPros were ever not intel
20:51:50 <orbii> such lovely machines for the day, i ended up replacing it with dual tuatatin piii-1.4ghz
20:52:04 <Ampera> I also have a 486DX4-120, P120, P3-450, and a smattering of others
20:52:08 <Ampera> those are just the ones that are easy to name
20:52:12 <Ampera> oh, and an MMX233
20:52:28 <orbii> i've been through too many moves and purges to have anything particularly old
20:52:40 <orbii> last move/purge saw me turfing otu old Sun Sparc and SGI kit, which was sad
20:52:41 <Ampera> My oldest machine is a Commodore 64
20:52:49 <Ampera> big rip
20:53:04 <Ampera> I am very into Unix/Linux stuff in the modern day and would love to have some old Unix machines
20:53:16 <orbii> they're not that interesting, really
20:53:23 <orbii> having used a lot of them
20:53:27 <Ampera> interesting is in the eye of the beholder
20:53:39 <Ampera> to me they are incredibly interesting, especially machines with old RISC archs
20:54:05 <Ampera> or microminis
20:55:31 <orbii> very little excites me these days. :(
20:55:42 <Ampera> a lot of things excite me
20:55:57 <Ampera> unfortunately the vast majority of those things are either suicide or impossible
20:56:01 <Ampera> or impossible suicides
21:04:30 <T3sl4> you should take up risky sports. it's just suicide with extra steps
21:05:11 <Ampera> is cooking a risky sport?
21:05:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I've hit rock bottom. I just did an iPad screen repair video.
21:05:56 <T3sl4> frying plus water?
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21:16:56 <K> hello
21:18:21 <Halcyon> Oww, Jerry is biting my ears
21:18:26 <Halcyon> Stupid bird
21:21:12 <steve30> hehe
21:21:45 <K> dinosaurs attack
21:23:06 <Halcyon> Yeh he is getting big
21:23:16 <Halcyon> He is just starting to fly properly
21:23:23 * steve30 meows
21:23:24 <Halcyon> Keeps bashing into walls and doors
21:23:27 <Halcyon> Get away cat :P
21:23:56 <T3sl4> K: oh, i didn't recognize you there for a moment, you were so numerous, as if there were a thousand
21:24:20 <steve30> Halcyon, here's a cute photo of me when I was 19.
21:24:22 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/photos/me2010.JPG
21:24:42 <Halcyon> You look exactly the same now
21:24:43 <Halcyon> :P
21:24:59 <Halcyon> Nice watch though
21:25:18 <DogWomble> i havent' worn a watch in years
21:25:37 <Halcyon> I didn't either until I got a Fitbit
21:25:48 <Halcyon> But I take it off usually when I'm home, it's annoying
21:26:10 <DogWomble> yeah, i just have a smartphone that does the same thing, i don't see the point in a watcvh
21:26:16 * T3sl4 wads up a duvet cover for steve30 https://i.redd.it/nptebhjb4qs31.jpg
21:26:37 <Halcyon> Bahahah
21:26:41 <T3sl4> steve30: you could be english John Carmack if you were a little better at coding :P
21:26:42 <Halcyon> That's totally Steve
21:27:08 <T3sl4> the poem that goes with it is fantastic https://www.reddit.com/r/ilikthebred/comments/di9iv7/fort_poem_in_comments/
21:27:12 <steve30> aww :)
21:27:19 <steve30> a blanket fort would be neat :)
21:28:13 <steve30> Halcyon, I just came across that photo the other week and thought I looked rather cute in it :)
21:28:20 <Halcyon> You do look cute
21:28:23 <Halcyon> My type :P
21:28:29 * Halcyon flirts with Steve some more
21:29:00 * orbii raises an eyebrow
21:29:20 <Halcyon> Feeling unloved orbii ?
21:29:21 <Halcyon> :P
21:30:19 <orbii> no.
21:30:25 * steve30 purrs at Halcyon
21:30:34 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
21:30:38 <DogWomble> Halcyon has seen me, I think compared to me anyone is cute :P
21:30:47 <Halcyon> Oh harsh
21:31:02 <T3sl4> DogWomble: oh that's not fair, after all, there are some who call you... Tim?
21:31:10 <Halcyon> Heh
21:31:12 <DogWomble> ;d
21:31:18 * steve30 joins the stupid bird and nibbles on Halcyon
21:31:28 <Halcyon> The bird is on Mark now
21:31:38 <T3sl4> Mark is on you for all we know
21:31:48 <Halcyon> Hah nah, he is too busy playing games
21:32:18 <steve30> Is Mark your boyfriend?
21:32:22 <DogWomble> are these 'adult' games/
21:32:33 <Halcyon> Nah, World of Warcraft or some shit
21:33:13 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.
21:33:37 <T3sl4> o/
22:04:09 * orbii looks at poor network performance from a host
22:04:29 * orbii suddenly remembers it's an ancient odroid that was earmarked for replacement 2.5 years ago, and only has 100mbps nic
22:04:33 * orbii groans
22:05:41 * steve30 ponders some food
22:06:53 * DogWomble throws peanuts at steve30
22:29:23 * orbii picks the peanuts up and puts them in a bowl
22:32:54 <coppice> steve30: when I was 19 we only had pictures composed of ASCII characters
22:33:53 <T3sl4> asscii was a hard fap back in the day but it was well deserved after your ten-mile uphill walk from school
22:33:55 * orbii contemplates how old coppice must be
22:34:38 <orbii> 60s? more?
22:40:07 <T3sl4> you can't just go and ask a question like that
22:40:10 <T3sl4> have you no manners?
22:47:40 <coppice> T3sl4: no, its OK. Orbii has given me just the licence I needed to call him an ASSHOLE
22:48:17 <T3sl4> so, at least that crotchety?
22:48:50 <coppice> I'll take note of that
22:51:49 <orbii> eh. you're the one making silly claims. i'm just the one pointing it out
22:57:10 <coppice> I doubt I still have the ASCII art I made of a picture of me when I was at college. So much stuff you people wouldn't believe, lost in time, like tears in rain.
22:57:56 * K squeals in 14.4k
22:58:06 * orbii bleeps in 1200/75
22:58:17 <K> old fart.
22:58:33 <coppice> when I was at college we used to dream of 1200/75
22:58:58 <coppice> 110 was all the rage
23:01:33 <T3sl4> real men teletype
23:02:48 <K> herd pidgeons
23:03:05 <K> or rather, have a servant that does that
23:03:59 <T3sl4> hey, IP over avian carrier has tremendous bandwidth even today
23:04:15 <orbii> v23 was only like '88 or so .. i'm not claiming to be some ancient though
23:05:14 <coppice> V.23 is a lot older than that. We were using it in about 78 or 79, and it wasn't a new spec even then
23:05:39 <orbii> well, it was only approved by itu-t in '88
23:06:19 <coppice> orbii: where did you get that date?
23:06:28 <orbii> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU_V.23
23:06:57 <orbii> their own website has it same year
23:07:28 <orbii> https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-V.23-198811-I/en
23:08:19 <orbii> apparently it's based on an earlier Bell 212A standard, which would have been around in '79
23:08:27 <coppice> That's just the most recent revision. The main uses of V.23, like Prestel in the UK, and the French Minitel system, date from the late 70s
23:08:46 <orbii> still, that wasnt a thing in this country, so not relevant to me
23:09:21 <orbii> actually, no, the Bell standard was 1200 symmetric, hrm
23:09:32 <orbii> *shrug*
23:09:35 <coppice> Bel l212A is a more advanced spec than V.23, is completely unrelated to V.23 (different modulation) and later than Bell 212A. Bell 212A is what became V.22 and V.22bis
23:09:46 <coppice> later/earlier
23:09:54 <orbii> see above.
23:10:24 <orbii> either way, do we care?
23:11:19 <coppice> Bell 202 is related to V.23, although its not quite the same. Its a 1200/5 spec, rather than 1200/75, but uses similar modulation
23:11:22 <orbii> okay?
23:11:40 <orbii> not sure how that changes my claim around v23
23:12:09 <orbii> or really - what you're trying to achieve other than be some keyboard warrior who just seems to want to argue over pedantic details?
23:12:25 <orbii> apparently you're quick to anger
23:13:21 <T3sl4> "we"
23:13:39 * orbii looks for a 'we'
23:14:07 <orbii> nope, no we here.
23:14:35 <coppice> Until 88 the ITU didn't publish a pile of separate specs. They published a huge volume with all the current specs every 4 years. A lot of ITU specs appear to be from 88 for that reason. After that each spec was published separately, and updated in a more timely manner
23:14:44 <orbii> okay.
23:14:44 <T3sl4> orbii: either way, do we care? <-- nope
23:14:55 <coppice> and it wasn;t the ITU then. It was the CCITT
23:14:56 <orbii> glad we're in agreement, at least.
23:16:41 <coppice> because the ITU can be really slow achieving final agreement for publication, there are some specs which were formed, used extensively, and died of old age before they ever got published. A bit like the IEEE and the 802.11n spec
23:34:46 <K> i would like to add some gasoline to the fire, but i do not know enough :/
23:35:29 <orbii> my only guess is a lot of it relates to the ccitt blue book being released in '88, but i'm purely speculating
23:35:42 <orbii> i aint that old, and i can only go off of records.
23:38:43 <orbii> https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wMbBL8L33Y8C&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&source=bl&ots=xXDdMe4vae&sig=ACfU3U1sFD28_i8cK84q353e9GYzPvwiDA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJg9bn46DlAhWUfSsKHY0BBLEQ6AEwBXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false from '77 has some interesting talk and mentions those early standards though :)
23:39:48 <orbii> anyway, bedtime i reckon.
23:44:47 <orbii> wow, that read on page23 about women in data-processing is eye-opening. shit has actually gotten worse since tehn
23:52:45 <coppice> In those days 95% or more of the DP staff were women, because they were the ones who had been through secretarial school and could type fast
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