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01:00:33 <coppice> Interesting. I would expect walking speed to have far more to do with physical fitness than brain function.
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06:31:01 <Halcyon> Morning all
06:31:20 <rust_collector> hell oh
06:31:33 <Halcyon> :)
06:34:27 <rust_collector> oh, I am making food.... brb
06:34:39 <Halcyon> I'm going to work, back in 12 hours
06:35:44 <rust_collector> I might be done sleeping by then
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10:24:14 * orbii cracks neck, looks around
10:24:45 * Ampera breaks neck, looks to the ground
10:30:53 * orbii gets some tape and re-adjusts Ampera's neck to a more appropriate angle
10:31:18 <Ampera> you don't need tape for that, you need a large miter saw and a bin
10:32:34 * orbii shrugs
10:32:46 * orbii uses a handsaw instead, and gets a large bin
10:32:55 * orbii spins the bin upsidedown and plants head on that
10:33:21 * orbii puts bin on a motorized lazy susan, and sets it to spin it slowly
10:41:20 <Ampera> orbii, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51dkAF1vfb8
11:34:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Does anyone else see now title or comment or info on my latest video? https://t.co/4tO7avr2sc https://t.co/rUolvCgct6
11:36:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Seems like it's my machine, on all Youtube videos now, and on multiple browsers. Time for a reboot...
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13:50:36 <bbt> would it be safe to measure a 3 phase (line voltage = 400V) system with a DS1054Z scope by using voltage dividers as so? https://snipboard.io/tiSkFc.jpg
13:51:40 <orbii> you would need isolating high-voltage differential probes, no?
13:53:02 <bbt> well, I do not have them and do not want to buy them for one-off test
13:53:49 <orbii> afaik the only other option would be to isolate the oscilloscope with an isolation transformer?
13:54:51 <T3sl4> i wouldn't connect the neutral, it could have voltage against ground
13:55:07 <T3sl4> since the scope is already grounded
13:56:01 <bbt> T3sl4: good point
13:56:32 <T3sl4> would recommend using high voltage resistors, or at least a few watts, for the 1M's
13:56:40 <T3sl4> don't want an errant surge taking out your scope
13:57:18 <T3sl4> signals may be noisy but you should use differential measurements anyway (i.e. ch2-ch1, ch3-ch2, ch1-ch3) also known as delta
13:57:27 <T3sl4> or hook up neutral on another divider for wye
13:57:37 <bbt> orbii: what's wrong with using voltage dividers? why would I need to complicate my test so much?
13:57:51 <bbt> all I want to do is to figure out phase sequence
14:00:44 <T3sl4> oh, you'll definitely be able to see that without making a differential reading, that's fine
14:01:51 <T3sl4> or use 10x probes, just connect the tip
14:02:06 <T3sl4> a bit marginal at 400V but should be okay for a look
14:02:07 <bbt> T3sl4: is high voltage rating necessary? something like this won't do the job? https://projectpoint.in/thumb.php?f=image/data/MFR-500mW.jpg&w=400
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14:03:11 <T3sl4> marginal, if those are Yageo for instance http://www.yageo.com/documents/recent/Yageo%20LR_MFR_2013.pdf MFR-50 is rated 300V
14:04:12 <bbt> scope is rated at 300V max, looking for the probes datasheet
14:09:34 <bbt> it says: 10X: 300 V RMSCAT II
14:10:56 <bbt> so, in theory I could probe phases directly
14:11:45 <T3sl4> you'd probably rather have CATIII or IV for probing those, but it should work in a pinch
14:17:23 <bbt> ok, thanks
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16:52:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL Youtube added the option to Upload or Upload Using Beta to the drop menu because the new beta uploader sucks and it was annoying to have to switch back to use the old one.
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17:40:12 * T3sl4 cooks up a mug of chicken broth with noodle to sip on
17:40:43 * T3sl4 wonders, if he poured a cup of coffee, would a steve30 be summoned?
17:42:43 <damian> who needs steve, i'm here!
17:45:55 * T3sl4 drowns damian in coffee as black as his soul
17:48:29 <damian> i want the chicken noodle soup, i don't drink coffee
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17:53:03 * T3sl4 slides the coffee over to ThunderSqueak, makes another soup
17:53:20 <T3sl4> mmm, that quite hit the spot, tossed in a few tomatoes for flavor and sweetness
17:57:24 * ThunderSqueak sniffs the bitter soup.
17:59:38 <ThunderSqueak> went and saw "Joker" with my GF
18:00:06 <ThunderSqueak> not a bad movie
18:02:07 * ThunderSqueak paid more attention to her GF than the movie <.<;;
18:02:54 <T3sl4> you two sound adorable
18:03:52 <ThunderSqueak> she was breathtakingly beautiful
18:03:57 <ThunderSqueak> well, she always is
18:04:34 <ThunderSqueak> but tonight when the light hit her face from the movie screen... I got lost, she caught me looking, smiled and kissed me ^^
18:11:31 <T3sl4> don't suppose you have a pic?
18:13:21 <ThunderSqueak> not that I will share online without her permission no
18:15:16 <T3sl4> fair enough :)
18:15:33 <T3sl4> i don't read your twitter so no idea if you had selfies or not :P
18:15:51 <ThunderSqueak> nope, I actually dont put many pics of myself or people up
18:16:07 <ThunderSqueak> not really my thing
18:16:46 <ThunderSqueak> that and when I was a teenager I used to put pics up, but then I found out people were using my pic and saying they were me on different chats and forums
18:16:57 <ThunderSqueak> so, I quit putting any picture up
18:17:11 <T3sl4> yeah, especially creepy shit happens with female pics :/
18:17:33 <T3sl4> think i've taken a selfie once in the last two years, anyway
18:18:43 <coppice> T3sl4: one selfie is enough to make you a sinner
18:19:09 <T3sl4> we're all sinners down here
18:19:31 <coppice> so, you're not in The Good Place?
18:20:59 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, it was weird people wanted to use my pic back then and claim to be me :/
18:21:01 <ThunderSqueak> like wtf
18:21:10 <ThunderSqueak> what is wrong with just being themselves
18:25:04 <ThunderSqueak> why pretend to be a 19 year old girl <.<
18:26:35 <coppice> you could pretend to be worse things
18:29:05 <ThunderSqueak> I guess
18:29:13 <ThunderSqueak> they could pretend to be a bananna
18:29:30 <ThunderSqueak> or an irish wolf hound
18:40:21 * T3sl4 doesn't pretend and gives ThunderSqueak a hug instead
18:42:55 * ThunderSqueak gives T3sl4 a hug back.
18:57:34 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/XvzqttJ.jpg
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19:33:41 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:41:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! LED Flicker 3 - More Electric Boogaloo https://t.co/p3zNjsCIzU
19:45:12 <DogWomble> evening Halcyon
19:52:45 <Spark_Gap> Thing of beauty - joy forever
19:54:24 <Halcyon> Yo
19:59:08 <Halcyon> YAY it's the start of my weekend
19:59:09 <Halcyon> \o/
20:00:06 <DogWomble> damn you :)
20:00:33 <DogWomble> having said that, i'm going onto nights next weekkend, so i'll ahve some periods where i have some decent days off
20:00:34 <Halcyon> 3 days
20:00:36 <Halcyon> Woot
20:02:40 <Spark_Gap> could You please help me understand one thing with photodiode transimpedance amplifiers
20:02:53 <Spark_Gap> if i want to use this TI part as transimpedance amplifier http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/opa380.pdf
20:03:14 <Spark_Gap> can i just feed some positive voltage to noninverting input from say DAC till there is no DC left on output?
20:03:24 <Spark_Gap> or positive voltage will create even bigger DC offset at the output?
20:44:08 <K> hello
20:45:22 <T3sl4> hi
22:00:26 * Ampera licks Halcyon
22:00:31 <Halcyon> YAY!
22:00:37 <Halcyon> How are you?
22:00:54 <Ampera> wet
22:01:09 <Halcyon> O.o
22:01:19 <Ampera> it's windy and rainy out
22:01:22 <Halcyon> Ahh
22:01:23 <Halcyon> :P
22:01:45 <Ampera> so I ended up taking the bus, but even in the last 50 feet to the school, my umbrella got inverted
22:02:00 <Ampera> and bent a load of shit that I was thankfully able to bend back
22:02:40 <Halcyon> Bugger
22:03:08 <Ampera> how are you doing anyways
22:03:48 <Halcyon> Not too bad. Been updating my resume.
22:04:02 <Halcyon> I'm considering leaving sworn Police duties and going back to civilian.
22:04:26 <Ampera> you no longer enjoy aiding in the superauthoritarian abuse of people's human rights?
22:04:32 <Ampera> good man
22:04:43 <Halcyon> Welll.... not quite
22:05:13 <Halcyon> A job has come up internally for an even more secret squirrel unit
22:05:32 <Halcyon> But it's civilian instead of sworn. But more aligned with what I want to do.
22:05:54 <Ampera> so you're going to invade people's privacies and rights even more than you already do now?
22:06:00 <Ampera> neat
22:06:17 <Halcyon> I can't say, but it's developing advanced capabilities through computer hardware and software.
22:06:50 <Ampera> I'd imagine you won't be developing advanced software
22:06:56 <Halcyon> I wish the pay was a bit more, but meh, what can you do.
22:07:09 <Ampera> is it more than what you're getting now?
22:07:36 <Halcyon> Me personally? No, I'm not a programmer. But moreso testing, developing process, coming up with solutions...
22:07:54 <Halcyon> It's the same as what I'm on now
22:08:30 <Ampera> so a consultant?
22:08:52 <Halcyon> More like R&D + Network design + other things
22:09:41 <Ampera> neat then
22:09:46 <Halcyon> I only know a little about it, the classification is above what I'm currently cleared to know.
22:09:58 <K> coming up with inane shit that someone has to implement
22:10:03 <Ampera> ^
22:10:10 <Halcyon> Far from inane
22:10:18 <Halcyon> But I can't say specifically in public
22:10:42 <K> it's inane, iv'e seen it many times over
22:10:46 <Halcyon> Some of it involves exploit dev. I'm sure you can read between the lines.
22:11:16 <Ampera> yeah I can imagine
22:11:29 <Ampera> finding new and interesting ways to burgle people's virtual crotches
22:11:50 <K> waiting for the law that forbids you to upgrade your software because it patches some holes
22:11:50 <Halcyon> As I said, it's more inline with what I'm interested in (and good at)
22:12:09 <Ampera> Anyways, this is thankfully a light day, so I can go home after this and relax
22:12:17 <Ampera> then relax all day tomorrow, including going out to eat
22:12:28 <Halcyon> I am looking forward to a sleep in
22:12:32 <Halcyon> I've had a long and busy week
22:12:40 <Ampera> I still need to put together the new Pentium Pro machine, but I legit haven't had time, and need to clear a table
22:12:58 <Halcyon> I know the feeling, I've been lecturing at Uni this week after my regular job
22:13:03 <Halcyon> Barely had any time to myself
22:13:11 <Ampera> the main reason I've been hesitant is because I need the Pentium Pro machine in order to do my school work, as it's one of the few computers that can control my DMI printer
22:13:24 <Halcyon> Heh nice
22:13:42 <Ampera> so while it's fine if I shake things up, I need to know it'll work in time for me to get stuff done
22:13:58 <Ampera> and filming it takes time too, since I need to develop a basic script, filming, and editing plan
22:14:37 <Halcyon> Fair enough
22:14:41 <Halcyon> Don't compromise any of that
22:14:52 <K> DMI ?
22:14:58 <Ampera> Dot Matrix Impact
22:15:00 <K> dot matrix aah
22:15:01 <Halcyon> Dot Matrix Impact
22:15:09 <Ampera> the only working printer in the entire house
22:15:10 <orbii> huh. just been given a Vectrex to repair :o
22:15:25 <Halcyon> Nice orbii, you're into vintage computing too?
22:15:25 <Ampera> good luck, orbii, I've heard those things can be a right pain
22:15:31 <orbii> Halcyon: nah, not really
22:15:48 <orbii> just guy at work had one that stopped working, and knew i was learning repair
22:15:56 <Halcyon> Do you get to keep it?
22:16:21 <orbii> wasnt planning on it, no
22:16:37 <Halcyon> As in, is it yours to do what you want with?
22:16:41 <Halcyon> Whether it be keep or sell?
22:16:53 <orbii> nah
22:16:54 <Halcyon> Or are you returning it
22:16:57 <Halcyon> Naww :(
22:17:09 <orbii> this was just for learning, really - guy is like 'it doesnt work now - if you cant fix it - no loss'
22:17:30 <orbii> never know, he may sell it and split it - but that's not what i'm going into this
22:17:52 <orbii> i havent done any real testing yet, other than knowing the fuse isnt busted.
22:17:52 <Halcyon> I may be interested if it's being sold
22:17:59 * Halcyon collects vintage computers
22:18:02 <orbii> oh, nice
22:18:16 <Halcyon> I don't live too far out of Sydney either
22:18:29 * Ampera does
22:18:31 <orbii> i dont know if he has any games for it - he's apparently owned it since new
22:18:46 <Halcyon> Eh, doesn't matter. It takes carts right?
22:18:53 <Ampera> oh, by the way Halcyon, idk if I told you my new surface type cover came in
22:18:54 <orbii> ya you can still buy carts
22:19:02 <Ampera> while I say new, it was sold used, but it in perfect condition
22:19:10 <Halcyon> I have a ROM burner, should be able to write some games to old EPROMs
22:19:18 <Ampera> way nicer now than my old one was when I got it
22:19:20 <Halcyon> Nah you didn't Ampera, is it good?
22:19:38 <Ampera> functionally just as good as the old one, but it's blue
22:19:39 <orbii> i had a network outage i had to investigate in the middle of also making dinner, so i've only managed to check the fuse and check a single fuse - which was showing higher ESR than it should. There's some cap leakage obvious on several - and it's dusty as hell.
22:19:41 <Ampera> instead of dark grey
22:19:48 <orbii> er, check a single cap, even
22:20:09 <Halcyon> orbii: On something that old, I honestly wouldn't bother testing caps, just replace them all
22:20:12 <orbii> give it a good clean and recap, and i imagine it'll be the transformer - a pparently very common on these.
22:20:22 <orbii> yeah that was the plan - but i figured it cant hurt to test 'em
22:20:27 <Halcyon> Yeh true
22:20:49 <orbii> annoyingly, i dont tend to keep many caps around - so now i gotta find a decent supplier of the various ones :(
22:21:01 <orbii> electrolytics, anyway.
22:21:07 <Halcyon> I know it's not the cheapest option, but I normally just order what I need from Element14
22:21:16 <orbii> they suck for postage :/ .. but possibly.
22:21:35 <Ampera> oh yean E14 is one of the worst places to get components
22:21:40 <Ampera> they fucking suck, across the board
22:21:53 <Ampera> Mauser and DigiKey tend to be the ones people like
22:21:56 <Halcyon> I've never had any dramas with them, you get a wide choice of good brands
22:21:58 <Ampera> and when in doubt, ebay
22:22:07 <Halcyon> Beats the hell out of Jaycar etc... that just sell Chinese junk
22:22:17 <orbii> Ampera: too many fakes to trust ebay
22:22:19 <Ampera> I think they charged my dad like 10, maybe 20 dollars shipping for a tiny bag of mini barrel connectors
22:22:35 <Halcyon> Ampera: But you guys pay crazy amounts for shipping in the US
22:22:39 <Ampera> no we don't
22:22:40 <Halcyon> Here it's more reasonable
22:22:43 <Halcyon> You fucking do
22:22:45 <Ampera> most online shipping is completelyfree
22:22:48 <Ampera> yeah to australia
22:22:53 <Ampera> not within the US, where it's dirt cheap
22:23:25 <Ampera> particularly with the USPS, where they have flat rates to anywhere in the US
22:23:33 <Halcyon> BRB, more wine...
22:23:46 * orbii contemplates the 100USD i paid recently to ship the Quick 861DW to australia from Union Repair (which was actually from china anyway, fuck them for that)
22:23:50 <Ampera> including far out places like Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, USVI
22:24:52 <Ampera> I might check to see if the cafe here (which opens in 6 minutes) has any cinnamon rolls ready
22:24:54 <orbii> Sam Xon caps on jaycar website ><
22:25:00 <Ampera> idk when they first make them
22:28:04 <Halcyon> What's bullshit is I wanted to order a DVD from the UK, but it's not available here
22:28:20 <Halcyon> But Amazon UK don't ship direct to here, so it had to go UK > US > AU
22:28:24 <Halcyon> Cunts
22:28:40 <Halcyon> I suspect it's because of the whole GST thing, they used to ship here years ago.
22:28:48 <Ampera> GST?
22:28:56 <Halcyon> VAT
22:29:01 <Halcyon> (or version of)
22:29:03 <Halcyon> *our
22:29:14 <Halcyon> Goods and Services Tax
22:29:23 <Ampera> anyways I'm gonna hop on over to the cafe and inquire about cinnamon rolls
22:29:27 <Ampera> (potentially) be back later
22:29:29 <Halcyon> Pics please
22:29:32 <Ampera> maybe
22:30:18 * orbii finds a complete BOM of Vectrex parts
22:30:32 <orbii> now i know what to order for replacements, i guess - saves me poking on the board
22:31:02 <Halcyon> Excellen
22:31:03 <Halcyon> t
22:31:20 <Halcyon> Oh T3sl4 actually I have a question for you (which might also help orbii)
22:31:38 <orbii> disassembly means desoldering, so i'd rather just have all the parts available and do a complete clean and refurb
22:31:46 <T3sl4> buh
22:32:11 <Halcyon> Rifa caps... can they be replaced by normal electrolytics?
22:35:36 <T3sl4> rifa whats
22:35:51 <Halcyon> Capacitors
22:36:14 <Halcyon> The explodey ones
22:37:15 <T3sl4> it's a brand, you know
22:37:18 <T3sl4> they made a lot of kinds
22:37:23 <T3sl4> melty ones too
22:37:33 <Halcyon> Well, the plastic square caps
22:37:42 <Halcyon> What makes them different to the metal cans?
22:38:20 <T3sl4> oh, those are nonpolarized, actually paper IIRC
22:38:29 <T3sl4> replace with film X2 rated
22:38:40 <Halcyon> Cool
22:39:09 <Halcyon> DogWomble has an old machine which has those cracked Rifa ones inside. I thought as much, just wanted to double check.
22:39:22 <Halcyon> Stick with the big brands? Pana, NCC etc...
22:40:14 <Halcyon> Ampera just sent me a photo of his buns
22:40:23 <Halcyon> Looks moist and warm
22:40:33 <T3sl4> stick your dick in it
22:40:46 <Halcyon> But then you end up with sugar and cinnamon on your weiner
22:40:50 <T3sl4> yeah, anything not chinese is fine
22:40:57 <T3sl4> mark can help you with cleanup
22:41:09 <Halcyon> Hah, I wish, he is too busy playing computer games.
22:41:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4: Copy, as I said, I figured as much. I generally avoid anything from China if I can help it
22:42:20 <Ampera> I now have a cinnamon roll
22:42:23 <T3sl4> there's tons available so you can even get matching pin centers
22:42:33 <Halcyon> Pin centres?
22:42:49 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447698094528659457/634354924079284245/IMG_20191017_073858.jpg
22:42:49 <T3sl4> distance
22:42:54 <Halcyon> Ah
22:42:55 <Ampera> 1.45 for the damn thing though
22:42:57 <Ampera> at least it's big
22:42:59 <T3sl4> all i see is potato
22:43:02 <Halcyon> Size queen
22:43:17 <Halcyon> Quite cheap
22:43:21 <Ampera> I love big things inside of me
22:43:23 <Ampera> not really
22:43:39 <Ampera> considering you can get an entire canister of them for about 2 bucks, maybe 3 at a supermarket
22:43:46 <Ampera> makes 6 in the oven, includes icing
22:43:50 * Halcyon reminds himself not to touch Ampera's screw driver set
22:44:03 <Ampera> my screwdrivers are not big
22:44:10 <Halcyon> The handles?
22:44:10 <Ampera> you'd not want to touch any of my joysticks either
22:44:16 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
22:44:46 * orbii tries to imagine how much that 1.45 roll would have cost in .au
22:44:46 <Halcyon> Gross
22:44:53 <orbii> 4-5 proably
22:45:12 <Halcyon> orbii, there is a bakery up the road from me who charges like AUD$3.50-$4.00 for a cinnamon croissant
22:45:18 <Ampera> australia is like venezuela in more ways than one
22:45:20 <Halcyon> But it's a proper, sourdough baker
22:45:23 * orbii nod
22:45:25 <Halcyon> Not crappy whitebread
22:45:39 <Ampera> this is a cheap, premade, nuked roll
22:46:38 <Halcyon> This is them: https://images.notquitenigella.com/images/sorensens-glasshouse-leura/__sorensens-glasshouse-leura-11.jpg
22:46:42 <Halcyon> They are fucking amazing
22:46:42 <Ampera> in other news I've switched from nano to emacs
22:46:49 <Halcyon> You told me Ampera
22:47:35 <Ampera> 4 bucks for that lump of shit?
22:47:36 * orbii doesnt offer opinion
22:47:57 <Ampera> also 1.45 USD is 2.12 AUD
22:48:13 <Ampera> but since food is typically more expensive in australia, add some more onto that
22:48:36 <orbii> + GST
22:48:44 <Ampera> this includes sales tax
22:48:44 <Halcyon> They also do chocolate ones: https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/e35/s480x480/57000891_402783163783814_5486819507463139131_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com&oh=5a1c881b66eccef78698c14a038d7690&oe=5DC8511D&ig_cache_key=MjAyNjU5NTA3ODcyNzEwOTE1OA%3D%3D.2
22:48:56 <orbii> so 2.33AUD if you add the tax
22:48:58 <Ampera> our sales tax is 8%
22:49:02 <orbii> ours is 10%
22:49:55 <Halcyon> orbii, you never told me where in NSW you were
22:50:01 <orbii> no, i didnt.
22:50:04 <Ampera> good
22:50:07 <Ampera> don't
22:50:10 <Halcyon> Fuck off Ampera
22:50:13 <Ampera> lol
22:50:13 <Halcyon> :P
22:50:21 <Ampera> keep it away from that creepy old geizer
22:50:30 <Ampera> *geezer
22:50:37 <orbii> we probably know the same people irl anyway. the community is pretty tiny
22:50:37 <Halcyon> I'm not even in my mid 30's yet fuck face
22:50:48 <Ampera> fuck you're old
22:50:53 * orbii cringes
22:50:54 <Ampera> I'm only 17 and I'm already way smarter than you
22:50:59 * orbii chortles
22:51:06 * Ampera snortles
22:51:12 <Halcyon> Until you grow up and realise you were a cunt all these years and knew fuck all :P
22:51:24 <orbii> Halcyon: youth is wasted on the young
22:51:30 <Ampera> I already know I'm a cunt, and that I already know fuck all
22:51:31 <Halcyon> orbii, I think we work in different industries, so it's unlikely
22:51:36 <Halcyon> Plus Sydney is a huge place
22:51:38 <Ampera> I'm just saying you're an even bigger cunt, and know even less :P
22:51:53 <orbii> Halcyon: probably, but i more meant vintage computer / electronics repair stuff
22:52:06 <orbii> fwiw, i work in IT - sysadmin/netadmin/coding stuff
22:52:13 <Halcyon> Oh right, that's just an expensive hobby of mine
22:52:14 <Ampera> That
22:52:18 <orbii> sames :)
22:52:30 <Halcyon> I have an IT background, but I'm a Police officer in a specialist unit.
22:52:31 <Ampera> That's closer to what I do (besides knocking the fucking return key)
22:52:53 <Ampera> I do nothing, but I tinker with Linux/Unix machines, and do old and new PC compatible IT
22:52:56 <Halcyon> Shutup Ampera and eat your bullshit scroll
22:53:02 <Ampera> scroll?
22:53:08 <orbii> Ampera: at 18 i was working at start-up dialup ISP, and was quickly their head sysadmin/netadmin ;)
22:53:21 <Halcyon> Whatever that monstrosity was
22:53:23 <Ampera> so was Halcyon
22:53:37 <Halcyon> I was 14 when I worked at an ISP
22:53:37 <Ampera> at least it wasn't a brown lump of shit on a plate
22:53:39 <Halcyon> So much fun
22:54:02 <orbii> 'oh, you tinker with *nix - come in and help us setup an ISP' turned into a life-changing moment that has set the rest of my life in this direction
22:54:42 <Ampera> Unfortunately, I know how to Unix, is no longer enough to net me an ISP job
22:54:49 <Halcyon> The ISP I worked for (back in the 1990s) was literally 2 Windows NT 4.0 boxes with a bank of dial-up modems in Equinox boxes connected to a handful of ISDN lines
22:54:58 <Halcyon> So much easier back in those days
22:55:05 <Ampera> since ISPs and telcos here are highly unionized megacorporations with insanely complicated hardware
22:55:16 <Ampera> you know, high speed network hardware
22:55:19 * Ampera coughs
22:55:21 <orbii> Halcyon: it really was.
22:57:02 <Halcyon> I joined the cops to get out of private sector IT but ended up falling back into the field again
22:57:22 <orbii> heh fair enough
22:57:39 <Ampera> I have no idea what I want to do with my life
22:57:44 <Halcyon> Now I'm in Cyber Security / Digital Forensics
22:57:46 <Ampera> everything sounds retarded and boring
22:57:53 <orbii> Ampera: it is.
22:58:13 <Halcyon> Ampera: Which is why I started my own company, I'm sick of working for morons and inept management.
22:58:20 <Ampera> suicide seems like a nicer solution by the day
22:58:33 <orbii> you wake up, maybe breakfast, you go to work, you get home, dinner, sleep, rinse repeat. weekends become a massive thing, etc. it's what you do until you retire and or die.
22:58:45 <Halcyon> orbii, I hear ya
22:58:55 <Halcyon> I don't think I could ever go back to working a 5-day a week job
22:58:57 <orbii> sometimes you even have teh energy on weekends to do something other than clean - like hobbies or gaming or visiting people/socialising
22:58:59 <Halcyon> I enjoy my 3 days off
23:00:59 <orbii> take now for instance, i should be going to sleep - not on here talking. so much for doing any investigative work on the Vectrex :(
23:01:11 <Halcyon> This is kind of research :P
23:01:32 <Ampera> Anyways I'm in class now, heading out
23:01:34 <Ampera> ciao
23:01:35 <Halcyon> Cya
23:01:51 <Halcyon> I probably should head off too, I'm buggered
23:02:17 <rust_collector> zzzzz oh hello
23:02:32 <Halcyon> Hey rust_collector
23:04:24 <rust_collector> hoi! I have today off. wife is on her way to the eu to buy cheaper than here stuff.
23:04:34 <Halcyon> What kind of stuff?
23:05:15 <rust_collector> hmm, meat, tobacco... uuh, cheese,
23:05:19 <rust_collector> and stuff
23:05:26 <Halcyon> Tasty things
23:05:30 <Halcyon> (minus the tobacco)
23:05:57 <rust_collector> I don't feel like chewing tobacco, no
23:06:51 <rust_collector> in general, meat, candy, alcohol, and tobacco is what people buy
23:08:36 <rust_collector> do you have that kind of thing in australistan? going across the border for cheaper things? I do not know how different the prices are in your different states, or what you call them
23:08:53 <orbii> not really a thing here
23:09:10 <Halcyon> Nope
23:09:22 <orbii> i wouldnt say there's really a big difference - and the drive is typically far too great between cities to make it a thing if it were.
23:09:29 <Halcyon> There isn't much you can't get in all of the states
23:09:32 <Halcyon> No need to drive far
23:17:45 <rust_collector> with our taxes on certain things, people drive from the oposite side of the country, to get to sweden. I really doubt it is worth it, but I guess it is a social thing for some
23:18:01 <orbii> it's all just same tax here
23:18:48 <rust_collector> I just think it is funny people want to drive all day to go shopping
23:18:58 <orbii> it sounds pretty weird to me :)
23:19:09 <Halcyon> Yeh bugger that
23:19:33 <rust_collector> For me, it is an hours drive, so it sort of makes sense. But I am married, so she does that stuff
23:20:07 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm off to bed getns
23:20:08 <Halcyon> gents
23:20:11 <Halcyon> Later
23:20:39 <orbii> rust_collector: if you're in one of the bigger cities here, an hour probably wouldnt get you anywhere but the suburbs of the city you're in
23:21:17 <orbii> and really, almost all the population here is in capital cities - and they're quite far apart
23:21:54 <rust_collector> right
23:22:05 <rust_collector> good night Halcyon
23:22:08 <orbii> you could be driving 9-10 hours between them
23:22:21 <rust_collector> fun
23:22:36 <orbii> if you're in a smaller country town or something - i could see them driving into one of the capital cities, though
23:23:31 <rust_collector> yeah, that makes sense
23:24:55 <orbii> well over 70% of the population are in the capitals, apparently.
23:25:12 <orbii> and i imagine a good portion of the remainder are in the larger cities outside of capitals
23:25:24 <orbii> most of the country isnt very habitable
23:26:03 <rust_collector> I live in the area that is most densely populated up here, so I do not have to go far to find "anything", but I think it works the same way here, just scaled down a lot, and we are not on an island
23:26:53 <rust_collector> I still do wonder what it is like to live in a city. I have no idea about what people do there
23:27:26 <rust_collector> Well, we really only have one somewhat large city anyway
23:28:37 <orbii> i was born in one of teh capitals, grew up in a country area, but i've since mostly lived in various capitals here - some larger than others
23:28:54 <rust_collector> I do go there for work some times, but 99% of the people I meet there do not live there either...
23:30:40 <rust_collector> So I assume they are either politicians, own property, or are on welfare/unemployed
23:34:29 <orbii> huh, fair enough
23:36:12 <rust_collector> I just do not know. Ok, so the people from india drive delivery vans, and the pakistanis have small stores, selling vegetables and spices, lol
23:38:17 <rust_collector> https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/hypersonic-flight-air-breathing-rocket-scli-intl-gbr-scn/index.html
23:38:41 <rust_collector> That is interesting.
23:39:14 <rust_collector> maybe I can go to australia when I retire, and look around, lol
23:39:22 <orbii> maybe.
23:39:27 <orbii> i like it, but i dont have much to compare it to
23:39:52 <rust_collector> that is a thing.
23:40:27 <rust_collector> I have only been in europe. it is pretty much the same all over.
23:40:58 <orbii> i have a passport, but i havent been anywhere yet.
23:41:20 <rust_collector> the good thing about europe, is that is is a pretty small area, so you can go where you want, in not much time
23:41:23 <orbii> it's not that cheap, and i've always prioritised my money on other things
23:41:32 <rust_collector> yeah
23:41:47 <rust_collector> I got a passport, and no one wanted to look at it, lol
23:42:45 <orbii> heh
23:42:57 <orbii> i wish the Siglent vendor would get back to me :|
23:43:23 <rust_collector> there is a ferry, from a place half an hour from here, that goes to denmark. It is a 3-ish hour ride, then you can go anywhere you want in europe. But I never do anyway
23:43:58 <rust_collector> hmm, do you have a problem, or do you need somethign?
23:44:06 <orbii> i've paid them money to order something
23:44:09 <orbii> and they havent responded since
23:44:14 <rust_collector> oh
23:44:32 <orbii> it's a little frustrating
23:44:40 <orbii> i was hoping to get the equipment today or tomorrow
23:45:15 <rust_collector> yeah. and as you said siglent, and not ding pong mfg ltd, I guess it was a bit more money than you would waste on ebay
23:45:37 <orbii> funny enough
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23:45:49 <orbii> i ordered equipment from the US only a few days earlier - and it's already here
23:46:41 <rust_collector> When I order stuff from the us, they do ship fairly quick. but it is super expensive
23:47:33 <orbii> i think i paid USD100 for shipping, yeah
23:47:47 <orbii> it aint cheap
23:48:01 <orbii> i've bought stuff from the US where it's cost more in postage than the item has cost :/
23:48:20 <rust_collector> yep
23:49:12 <orbii> sad thing is how many times they just ship it out of china to me anyway
23:49:18 <orbii> it's like .. REALLY
23:49:20 <orbii> >:|
23:49:23 <rust_collector> Most of the things I order from there, is car parts. But even with the shipping, it ends up costing 3/4 to 1/2 of what I have to pay here
23:49:44 <orbii> the other fun bit is potentialy paying import tax on stuff :/
23:49:57 <orbii> aliexpress/banggood now collect it automatically :(
23:50:00 <rust_collector> import tax, and "handling fee"
23:51:24 <rust_collector> thanks fedex, lol
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