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50:16 <rust_collector> hoi
50:22 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
50:46 <Nothing\> you know, that's actually what Bell thought people should answer the phone with lol i guess that's why mr burns says it
50:52 <Nothing\> i think it was Bell, anyways
51:00 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
51:11 <Nothing\> i should really visit his home, it's not far from here and they turned it into a museum
51:24 <rust_collector> mr burns home?
51:32 <rust_collector> cool
51:34 <Nothing\> lol no, alexander graham bell's
51:54 <Nothing\> i went there as a kid but i was too young to appreciate it and just wanted to leave :/
52:16 <rust_collector> I know that feeling
53:25 <rust_collector> there is a house 30 minutes walk from here, that used to belong to a sort of famous artist/painter guy. It is open for people to visit, and it is incredibly boring
53:45 <rust_collector> ok, maybe 45minutes now. I am getting older
54:26 <rust_collector> oh look! he had a table! and wow, there is a bookshelf too
54:50 <Nothing\> lol i figure this'll be a bit more interesting cuz it's about telecommunications
55:08 <rust_collector> I thought it was the guys house
55:23 <Nothing\> well yeah, but it's also where he invented the phone and placed the first phone call in history
55:40 <rust_collector> meh, who uses a phone anyway?
55:48 <Nothing\> i tore one down the other day
56:04 <Nothing\> lol the PCB was literally sweating phenol, or something that smelled toxically sterile
56:09 <Nothing\> toxickly?
56:16 <rust_collector> but you could put it in a room, and open a museum
57:24 <Nothing\> lol
58:46 <Nothing\> it's pretty funny actually how barebones it actually was
59:21 <Nothing\> the handset was literally just a 50 cent condensor mic, an even cheaper looking speaker and a jack just connected with a wire and mounted on the plastic of the handset
59:31 <Nothing\> lol they actually put metal plates in the body of the phone to make it heavier
00:01 <Nothing\> it was one of those ones for old people with the buttons that are like an inch wide
00:03 <rust_collector> well, just how complicated do you want a phone?
00:17 <Nothing\> i dunno, i just figured there'd be a bit more to it considering how much they cost
00:27 <Nothing\> cost as in past tense
00:39 <rust_collector> stop destroying perfectly ok thingies, and go invent the anti-led
00:58 <Nothing\> wouldn't that just be a solar panel?
01:02 <Nothing\> or a photodiode
01:18 <Nothing\> actually apparently solar panels can be used as LEDs, steve mould did a video on it
01:25 <Nothing\> they'll emit EM in the infrared
01:32 <rust_collector> do those shine a beam of darkness?
01:44 <Nothing\> i guess you could consider infrared like dark light
02:17 <rust_collector> albino negro
02:25 <Nothing\> lol those do exist, they're weird looking
02:48 <rust_collector> albino white people also look a bit weird
02:54 <Nothing\> i always liked the idea of a black guy with a chinese accent
03:28 <Nothing\> people in general look weird
03:49 <Nothing\> the only reason we don't think anything of it is our brains have evolved to ignore it
04:56 <Nothing\> lol i've been trying to figure out how to make a sine wave generator and while i was playing with a fan motor i got out of a space heater i finally figured it out
05:22 <Nothing\> i can put a hamster wheel on the motor and drive it like an alternator, so when the hamster runs on the wheel i get a sine wave out of it lol
05:26 <Nothing\> hamster powered sine wave generator!
06:13 <Nothing\> this thing really sucks for a 120v AC motor though, it barely puts out 100mv at 5hz
08:08 <Nothing\> man, don't you hate it when you look up the syntax for something relating to programming, and the syntax in the documentation doesn't work?
09:35 <Nothing\> been having trouble figuring out geogebra cuz half the stuff in the help file uses the wrong kind of brackets for some reason
09:37 <rust_collector> 5hz?
09:57 <Nothing\> yeah, 5hz is about the high point of what i'd get out of it with a hamster, at 2.5 rotations per second
10:22 <rust_collector> add gears, or a pulley system
10:34 <Nothing\> that's what i was thinking, and a flywheel to keep the speed steady
10:59 <Nothing\> hell, i could make hamster power a reality!
11:01 <rust_collector> or give the hamster some illegal powder
11:06 <Nothing\> haha
11:18 <Nothing\> i think rodents are strung out enough as it is without drugs
11:37 <Nothing\> watching the squirrels outside, they act eerily similar to fiending crackheads when it comes to those peanuts
11:42 <rust_collector> I think they can do 3-4% more, before they explode
11:56 <rust_collector> POP!
11:58 <Nothing\> when there are none left they'll sit out there going through all of the empty shells in a vain attempt at finding one more peanut
12:30 <Nothing\> then when they get really agitated from it, they'll start climbing on my screen door and up the side of my house looking for peanuts lol
13:45 <Nothing\> wow, apparently trump randomly blurted out the other day, in public, that he wants to get china to investigate joe biden
13:55 <Nothing\> what a cocky fucking twit
14:09 <rust_collector> go find a proper confuser, and wathc this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jMzdbEui0
14:37 <Nothing\> haha oh yeah i've seen this
14:42 <Nothing\> it's crazy they don't fall
14:56 <Nothing\> i mean, there has to be at least one of them that slips or missteps or something
15:01 <rust_collector> yep
15:17 <Nothing\> i mean, i don't know if i've seen this exact clip, but i've seen the goats before
15:20 <rust_collector> dam goat stew
15:25 <Nothing\> lol
16:04 <rust_collector> I sort of want some goat now
16:26 <Nothing\> i've never eaten goat, at least not an actual cut of meat from a goat
16:37 <Nothing\> i've had goat testicles though, and stew made from a goat's head
16:58 <rust_collector> it is not very common here either, but it tastes... uhm, a lot
17:04 <Nothing\> the testicles actually weren't bad, they were curried and cut up, so it was sorta like fleshy dumplings
17:13 <Nothing\> i would imagine it has a really strong taste
17:19 <rust_collector> yeah
17:25 <Nothing\> like that barn sorta taste you get in cow liver
17:28 <Nothing\> or in goat milk
17:46 <Nothing\> i dunno if that's what people mean by gamey
18:10 <rust_collector> don't taste barns. it is 90% shit, and 28% dead flies
18:13 <Nothing\> apparently the goat milk thing only happens if you keep males and females together, i guess when you keep them separate the taste isn't as strong
18:24 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
18:24 <Nothing\> well i can't say i know what dead flies taste like
18:33 <rust_collector> not much
18:56 <rust_collector> probably similar to dried toenails and hair
19:25 <Nothing\> ever smell burnt hair? i think it's probably the single worst smell in the world
19:49 <rust_collector> I have, many many times
19:53 <Nothing\> i dunno how the hell steve-o managed to smoke pubes
20:18 <rust_collector> I think it is a smell you can get used to, I guess like anything else
20:46 <Nothing\> yeah that's the nice thing about being human, we adapt to invasive sensory input really well apparently
21:21 <rust_collector> the worst smell I know, is people wrapped in plastic in the early-mid 70's
21:21 <Nothing\> although i remember reading or hearing in a psych lecture somewhere that sounds are one thing we don't adapt to, although i dunno what he was basing that on
21:46 <Nothing\> people wrapped in plastic? what?
21:52 <Nothing\> you mean cadavers?
21:59 <rust_collector> he probably just had the idea, so now he is teaching others about his idea
22:01 <rust_collector> yes
22:09 <rust_collector> regular dead people
22:13 <Nothing\> hrm i've been around lots of cadavers before and never noticed a smell
22:22 <Nothing\> and it was even before they were embalmed
22:25 <Nothing\> before/during
22:53 <rust_collector> well, if you wrap them in plastic, and let them decompose underground for 30-40 years, they get a very... special smell
22:57 <Nothing\> my best friend worked as a funeral director so i used to go over and help him out in the middle of the night if he had to prep a body for a service in the morning
22:57 <coppice> what if the dead people are irregular?
23:16 <Nothing\> rust_collector: oh yeah, i guess that would be pretty awful once they start to decompose
23:42 <rust_collector> then the plastic wrap will correct any irregularities
24:37 <Nothing\> the one year i had a ground hog fall into a barrel of water in my back yard and it spent the entire summer stewing in it, that was a pretty disgusting smell
24:56 <rust_collector> so, you end up washing with lemon juice, or similar things, or you go around smelling like pure death for a week
24:59 <Nothing\> and of course when i helped my landlord clean it up, he dumped it out and it got all over my fucking legs :/
25:47 <rust_collector> that is how it works
26:06 <Nothing\> or another time i had a mouse die in the vents of my house and wound up having to smell rotting mouse for the next few weeks
26:25 <Nothing\> i mean, what are you supposed to do in a case like that? send a rover in?
26:48 <rust_collector> good thing you did not stuff a cat in the vent, because I bet they smell for more than a few weeks
26:59 <Nothing\> lol
27:06 <rust_collector> hmm, install a huge fan?
27:11 <Nothing\> nah, everybody knows cats get stuck in the walls, not the vents
27:26 <Nothing\> you know how cats like to sorta fold themselves up and slip into little cracks to get into the walls
27:57 <rust_collector> not really, because we have real walls over here
28:06 <Nothing\> lol
28:23 <Nothing\> actually i've been hearing mice or something in my walls and ceiling the last couple of weeks since it's been getting colder
28:27 <Nothing\> no idea what to do about it
28:51 <Nothing\> hopefully my landlord will call a good pest control company, but i'm not terribly hopeful
29:02 <Nothing\> man that was terribly worded lol
29:09 <Nothing\> hopefully, but i'm not terribly hopeful
29:25 <rust_collector> buy a small army of daleks, and send them ... yeah, pest control company might be an idea
29:36 <Nothing\> i'd love to have a pet dalek
29:41 <Nothing\> they're like alien nazis
29:49 <rust_collector> mouse traps could also work, lol
29:55 <Nothing\> i'll just have to get him de-lasered
30:00 <Nothing\> and de-plungered
30:09 <rust_collector> oh no
30:20 <Nothing\> yeah but there's no way to actually put the traps in the ceiling or the wall without cutting holes in them
30:29 <Nothing\> but i think that's gonna have to end up happening anyways
30:32 <rust_collector> a dalek with a led and a...
30:40 <Nothing\> horn
30:47 <Nothing\> that plays la cucaracha
31:16 <Nothing\> lol or a dildo
31:32 <rust_collector> I thing mice will go out of the walls from time to time, you don't have to manually put the trap on the mouse
32:01 <rust_collector> if they figure you put food somewhere, they will go there
32:04 <Nothing\> yeah there is at least one hole outside they use to get in and out, i should really seal it up but i don't wanna lock them in
32:56 <Nothing\> it doesn't help that they've got trees touching the eave's trough here, so anything can just crawl along the branches and get on/into the roof
32:59 <rust_collector> well, if you have a problem with cats crawling around in your walls, I guess mice will be running in and out everywhere
33:25 <Nothing\> i used to watch a show about pest control and that was one of the few take aways i got from it, trees that touch a building are inviting pests to get into your house
33:53 <rust_collector> bacon or cheese houses are a bad idea also
34:13 <Nothing\> mmm bacon cheese house
34:13 <rust_collector> I mean, if you are worried about pests and such
34:22 <Nothing\> that gives me a great idea
34:28 <Nothing\> a log cabin made out of bacon
34:34 <Nothing\> like, a model of one, not full sized
34:40 <rust_collector> bacon logs
34:47 <Nothing\> or maybe sausage, but i don't like sausage
34:52 <Nothing\> i know i know, i'm a terrible german
35:06 <rust_collector> why do you want to eat a model cabin?
35:15 <Nothing\> experience
35:31 <Nothing\> gotta amass those EXP
35:33 <rust_collector> right, so sausage it is
35:49 <Nothing\> but i figure breakfast sausage would be a good building material
36:04 <Nothing\> maybe with bacon panelling
36:11 <Nothing\> or flooring
37:26 <rust_collector> hmm, there is a story, about a boat/ship made from nails and hair
37:39 <rust_collector> a sausage and bacon cabin sounds more doable
38:13 <rust_collector> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naglfar
41:05 <Nothing\> heh there were apparently real efforts made by the UK to make warships out of a mix of ice and wood pulp
41:16 <rust_collector> yeah
41:21 <Nothing\> i guess the material holds up really well
41:36 <Nothing\> people don't realize that water has an enormous thermal capacity
42:02 <rust_collector> but now they invented the laser pointer, and...
42:36 <Nothing\> like before fridges, people used to store huge piles of ice that would last clear through the summer
43:16 <Nothing\> laser pointers are disappointing
43:33 <Nothing\> the beams always lose their collumation and become really spread out over time
43:44 <Nothing\> especially the one green one i had
43:46 <rust_collector> I used to live in an old soda factory. they have an ice tower. The guy I worked fors dad used to spend the winters hauling ice from the lake
44:11 <rust_collector> you have to hook them up to a microwave transformer, and a special lens
44:16 <Nothing\> actually the cheap green ones are especially shitty cuz most of the power output goes into IR, which since you can't see it, will be likely to blind you if the laser's stronger than 5mw
44:25 <rust_collector> because that is the thing on youtube
44:41 <Nothing\> lol
45:27 <Nothing\> speaking of youtube, i wish there was a way to actually see if/when somebody replies to a comment i made
46:01 <Nothing\> it used to show up in my notifications, but i don't get anything about it anymore, so i just feel like an idiot whenever i comment now cuz i know i'll never see any of the replies
46:03 <rust_collector> I wish they would stop messing up the "allthethings" about the site itself
46:12 <Nothing\> yeah no shit
46:16 <Nothing\> people don't like change
46:33 <Nothing\> it's ilke you just start getting used to a site, then they change it and you have to get used to it all over again
46:42 <Nothing\> not just with youtube, but sites in general
46:59 <rust_collector> Like now, for the last week or so, I have to scroll down thru the suggested videos, before getting to the comments
47:01 <Nothing\> i figure it's so they can justify having programmers on the payroll after the site's been made
47:59 <Nothing\> well i don't get anything like that, thankfully
48:24 <Nothing\> but the only notifications i ever get are when somebody leaves a comment on one of my videos, there's nothing about replies to my own comments
48:51 <Nothing\> and of course when i try to look it up, their documentation pertains to the old site, so it's completely useless
49:00 <Nothing\> half of their documentation seems to be obsolete
49:44 <Nothing\> i think i vaguely remember one time i accidentally wound up in my google plus account i somehow figured out how to see replies to my comments, but who the hell uses google plus?
50:07 <rust_collector> eeh, is that still a thing?
50:14 <Nothing\> it exists, if that's what you mean
50:19 <rust_collector> oh
50:59 <Nothing\> i wish yanks were more... what's the word i'm looking for
51:09 <rust_collector> normal?
51:10 <Nothing\> not lazy when it comes to standing up for things they believe in
51:26 <rust_collector> french?
51:37 <Nothing\> so they could actually stop using shitty sites like youtube and facebook and make something better the norm, instead of just complaining about it
51:50 <Nothing\> lol french is fine
52:10 <rust_collector> I also hope the yanks become more french
52:35 <rust_collector> Maybe I could finally learn a few more words
52:46 <Nothing\> you know what's weird? i went onto the french wiki site the other day and read a few articles, almost half of the words in the articles were close enough to english words that i could understand almost the entire article, despite not being fluent in french
53:26 <Nothing\> where if i looked up something else, like another site that was in french, it would have more non-english words to the point i wasn't able to understand it
53:37 <Nothing\> so i wonder why the wiki articles use so many english sounding words like that
53:53 <rust_collector> the thing that is difficult, at least for me, is that they change the words to a completely different word, if... other words, or genders or something
53:56 <Nothing\> like i was able to read and understand articles about quantum mechanics with very few difficulties
54:20 <Nothing\> genders actually aren't that bad once you realize the words that end with, i think it's E and A and a few other things are usually feminine
54:24 <Nothing\> at least in french
55:21 <Nothing\> but yeah i always wondered just where the whole gender thing comes from, it seems like some guy just went around and arbitrarily declared "tables are girls, chairs are boys, doors are girls, toilets are girls, hamburgers are boys
55:31 <rust_collector> well, the endings are fine, it is just thet they also replace the rest of the word some times, with something completely different
55:50 <Nothing\> hrm i don't think i've ever noticed that
56:08 <rust_collector> I did not look at french for a very long time, lol
56:30 <Nothing\> heh i used to avoid the whole gender thing by just using plural forms since les can refer to either one
56:49 <Nothing\> i still do that if i'm not sure
57:03 <rust_collector> tu manges comme un cochon
57:10 <rust_collector> I think
57:16 <Nothing\> you eat something
57:22 <rust_collector> like a pig
57:27 <Nothing\> ah
57:48 <Nothing\> yeah i suck with those filler words, like, the, a, of, etc
57:58 <rust_collector> uhm, travaille is work, I think it was, and...uh
58:05 <Nothing\> yup
58:07 <rust_collector> they have other words also
58:22 <Nothing\> les grenouille manges les pamplemousse
58:27 <Nothing\> s
58:48 <Nothing\> or is it mangent, i dunno conjugation either
59:14 <Nothing\> every time i try to learn verb conjugation i get confused because they use all of these terms i have no idea wtf they are
59:18 <rust_collector> I have no idea. I do not use grammar things
59:35 <Nothing\> like all of those tenses that don't exist in english
59:53 <Nothing\> like wtf is present subjunctive?
00:07 <Nothing\> they just say it as though you're supposed to know what it is and don't bother explaining it
00:21 <Nothing\> or at least trying to provide an english equivalent if there is one
02:15 <rust_collector> I think, that if I was going to teach my 95 year old grandpa to use a computer, he would do better with linux/similar things, than windows. because he has not learnt the windows way "everyone" knows
03:06 <rust_collector> maybe it is the same idea, if you learn something new, just accept it is not the same, so stop comparing it to what you know
03:11 <Nothing\> i dunno, i've found using linux is pretty limited if you don't use the command line
03:27 <rust_collector> well, use the command line then
03:36 <Nothing\> like there's this nice graphical interface on raspbian for adding and removing programs, but none of them are up to date at all
04:01 <Nothing\> i assumed they were up to date since it loads the list every time i search, but when i did apt-get i found there were newer versions
04:43 <rust_collector> My windows happy wife used MX for a year or so, before whe bought a new laptop, because the router kept changing the printers ip
05:04 <Nothing\> that's dumb
05:13 <Nothing\> i hate it when computers do things like that when you don't tell them to
05:33 <Nothing\> it feels so... insubordinate
05:41 <rust_collector> no problems using mx for that time. it is almost exactly like your regular windows7
05:50 <rust_collector> to use
05:59 <Nothing\> nice
06:12 <rust_collector> well, if you want a windows7 clone, yes it is
06:26 <rust_collector> auto updates and all that crap
06:57 <rust_collector> hmm, no, you have a warning, and you have to click it to update
07:48 <rust_collector> but yeah, I think he would do better if he did use the commandline, to see what the thing did, then he could startx and watch youtube
08:33 <rust_collector> Otoh, windows has the best
08:35 <rust_collector> uhm
08:39 <rust_collector> error messages
09:25 <rust_collector> windows has a problem, you can resolve this by installing windows
10:29 <rust_collector> heh, talking about my grandpa, and learning things
10:47 <rust_collector> mom dated a guy from jamaica for some time
11:24 <rust_collector> so they go visit grandpa, and he does speak ok english. which is something no one knew
11:32 <Nothing\> haha trump posted a nickelback meme on twitter to attack joe biden and the tweet was removed for copyright violation
11:43 <rust_collector> good
11:52 <Nothing\> yeah he's getting real fucking cocky lately
12:13 <rust_collector> yeah, that guy in nickleback is a dick
12:15 <Nothing\> he said outright the other day that he wanted to get china to investigate biden, just in the middle of talking about something completely unrelated
12:25 <Nothing\> yea i don't like either of them tbh
12:44 <Nothing\> hey, my mom had an affair with a jamaican too
12:53 <rust_collector> hey bro
12:58 <Nothing\> lol
13:17 <Nothing\> it was weird, my dad used to send her down there and she'd boff the guy while she was there
13:26 <Nothing\> but this was after my parents separated
13:57 <T3sl4> Nothing\: perhaps the best outcome this year is trump moves from the white house to a white coat
13:59 <Nothing\> so i have no idea wtf was going on there, i just know my brother went with her one time and found it incredibly awkward
14:06 <rust_collector> I have 2 tshirts from some hotel in jamaica. they are great, with long backs
14:16 <Nothing\> T3sl4: one can only hope, but unfortunately the republicans are STILL supporting him
14:54 <T3sl4> they're starting to shake, but the longer they double down, the harder they're going to fall
15:03 <Nothing\> that's what i figure
15:31 <Nothing\> that and if he doesn't get impeached before his term's over, if he gets a second term he'll definitely get impeached eventually
15:49 <T3sl4> they're already a subreddit following that, https://www.reddit.com/r/RatsLeavingTheShip/
15:51 <Nothing\> he's clearly getting cockier as he thinks he can get away with more and more
16:29 <T3sl4> the only way he could possibly get a second term is if the dems truly hate winning and put up biden or one of the outliers
16:32 <Nothing\> so it's only a matter of time before he oversteps his bounds to the point where it's undeniable (at least to everyone but him)
16:36 <Nothing\> if he hasn't already reached that point
16:48 <Nothing\> T3sl4: either that or if the system really is rigged
16:49 <T3sl4> and even then, biden is basically dem trump, they can't lose
17:09 <Nothing\> yeah i'm not a fan of biden either, though i dunno much about him
17:21 <T3sl4> it is, but it is anyway; that's beside the point
17:23 <Nothing\> but what i have heard makes him sound like he's almost just as bad as trump
17:49 <Nothing\> as nice as it'd be, i don't think there's any way bernie sanders would get in
18:30 <Nothing\> you know, i bet even after trump gets impeached, he'll probably have criminal proceedings against him as well
18:52 <T3sl4> NY state is already drawing criminal charges
18:56 <Nothing\> if not for something he's done, definitely for something he WILL do
18:58 <T3sl4> i wonder when they're finally going to let those rip
19:07 <Nothing\> i thought they couldn't criminally charge the president
19:16 <T3sl4> fed can't
19:19 <Nothing\> ah
19:22 <Nothing\> huh
19:28 <T3sl4> also, presidents can't pardon state charges, only the governor can
19:52 <Nothing\> you would think anything the president says would trump the state, pun not intended
20:18 <Nothing\> lol i just remembered that trump is a british euphemism for fart
20:36 <Nothing\> we should just call him donald fart
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20:50 <Nothing\> hey DHess_US
20:57 <T3sl4> the state is an amalgamation of many dimensions of power; the president is only a figurehead, and doesn't have much direct power
21:26 <Nothing\> ah, it always came off like his word is above everything else
22:33 <Nothing\> i just can't believe the republicans are STILL supporting him, even going as far as to say the peopl ebehind the impeachment inquiry should be charged with treason and claiming they're stirring the pot cuz it's gonna cause a civil war lol
23:41 <Nothing\> there are even people still saying this is all hearsay, even though there are transcripts that show very clearly that he did it, it's all very blatant
23:48 <Nothing\> i mean how deeply in denial can somebody be
24:08 <rust_collector> 7
24:37 <rust_collector> http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/59000/Panda%20Kiss_qjgenth.jpg
24:45 <Nothing\> it's disgusting that most republicans just support trump because he's a republican, it's like all you need to be supported is to be part of the same political party, everything else, including blatant criminal activity, is meaningless
25:33 <Nothing\> rust_collector: lol now they just need one of a panda yawning with gene simmons' tongue shopped in its mouth
25:57 <Nothing\> T3sl4: are you american?
26:03 <T3sl4> ya
26:12 <Nothing\> for some reason my brain keeps confusing you with somebody i knew years ago who lived in the netherlands
26:22 <T3sl4> Nothing\: ah, it always came off like his word is above everything else <-- well, yeah, but that's not new to his current position, he's been like that literally forever
26:26 <Nothing\> apparently because both of your names start with a T, since that's the only similarity i can think of
26:32 <T3sl4> pathological narcissist
26:36 <Nothing\> yeah that's true
26:53 <Nothing\> that's because he's made it clear that if you don't do what he tells you to do, he'll destroy you
26:57 <T3sl4> it's funny because Nero on the other eevblog is from, well, belgium, not nl
27:17 <Nothing\> nero, that's it, lol i think i called him neko the other day
27:30 <Nothing\> when i was talking about his thz research
27:32 <rust_collector> start calling him necro
28:13 <Nothing\> i think i'm subbed to him on youtube actually, he linked me to a good video he made on signal mixing once
28:35 <DHess_US> A party supporting a crooked president is nothing new. It is very rare that a president up for reelection is replaced by another candidate.
29:06 <T3sl4> well that'll be two non-consecutives for the R's
29:12 <Nothing\> DHess_US: is it really that rare? it'd be interesting to see the statistics on that actually, come to think of it
29:12 <T3sl4> bush being the most recent
29:29 <DHess_US> Note that I am not making any judgement about the current reports. I have not studied them in detail and both the news media and democrats routinely exagerate, mislead, and lie.
30:07 <DHess_US> Nixon is one of the examples where it did not happen. And he would have been impeached.
30:21 <Nothing\> lol it's funny to look back at bush and think how people figured he was the worst president ever
30:24 <DHess_US> His own side wanted him out after Watergate.
30:38 <DHess_US> He was pretty bad.
30:51 <Nothing\> and now compared to trump, bush is like... i dunno? teddy roosevelt
31:33 <DHess_US> Ford and Carter were worse.
31:40 <DHess_US> I especially hate Ford. He is the one who convinced me that anybody who is elected president should be immediately executed.
31:42 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah i was reading how the big reason nixon resigned was because the republicans turned on him, they were speculating that trump won't go anywhere until the same thing happens, that the republicans even have to support the impeachment for it to happen
31:45 <T3sl4> mind, i was referring to bush sr
31:53 <Nothing\> DHess_US: why's that?
32:23 <DHess_US> Nothing\, it is *not* that Ford pardoned Nixon. I find that completely acceptable. It is that he did *not* pardon the others involved in Watergate.
32:25 <Nothing\> i always heard jimmy carter was one of the worst presidents, but i never heard why, i just remember it was a thing on the simpsons lol
32:52 <DHess_US> Somehow Nixon shouldn't have known better while the people who executed his orders should? Fuck you. Civil war time.
32:55 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah i see, yeah i dunno much about gerald ford other than, again what the simpsons taught me lol
33:02 <Nothing\> which is that he likes beer, football and nachos
33:53 <Nothing\> man, it's sad that i know more about american politics than canadian
33:54 <T3sl4> my understanding is, carter was in a sense the best president, and the worst politician
34:03 <T3sl4> of course the latter counts more than the former, so he didn't do so well
34:07 <Nothing\> i don't even know how our elections work, it seems completely arbitrary when there's an election
34:30 <DHess_US> Meanwhile Reagan was badly qualified but a great politician.
34:50 <DHess_US> poorly qualified
35:00 <Nothing\> you've gotta wonder just how much the alzheimer's affected reagan's abilities as president
35:17 <Nothing\> i mean, it had to have had some sort of effect on it, even if it wasn't bad yet
35:20 <DHess_US> Probably not until later in his term.
35:45 <T3sl4> trump's possibly suffering symptoms of dementia, exacerbated by the stress of his position
35:47 <Nothing\> wasn't there talk that trump might be suffering from dementia? or was that bush jr?
35:49 <DHess_US> And like T3sl4 says, the role of President is not crucial.
36:00 <Nothing\> T3sl4: guess that answers that lol
36:08 <DHess_US> Oh, Trump has always been like that.
36:58 <DHess_US> No, that was Trump. Some "experts" did an analysis without any sort of exame.
37:04 <DHess_US> exam.
37:11 <Nothing\> T3sl4: i can totally see it with trump though, he reminds me so much of my mom's ex, who was in his 70s and not all there, although not in a dementia sorta way more in an inability to learn or remember the easiest things regardless of how many times you tell him
37:19 <Nothing\> and his old tyme racism
37:47 <DHess_US> It's a leadership position and not a details position.
38:09 <Nothing\> i dunno, the president still has a good deal of power over some things
38:18 <DHess_US> I hope he is most remembered for his trade war with China. That was long overdue.
38:29 <Nothing\> like, i don't think he has to answer to anybody if he orders a nuclear strike, does he?
38:40 <DHess_US> No, it doesn't work that way.
39:03 <Nothing\> yeah i'm not sure how that works, i just assumed he could order a strike at any time on account of the "football"
39:14 <DHess_US> Last time I checked, we used the 3 man rule so his launch order must be confirmed by two other senior people.
39:24 <Nothing\> well that's a relief
39:41 <Nothing\> but that sitll doesn't mean he can't goad some other country into striking first
39:52 <Nothing\> *cough*north korea*cough*
39:57 <rust_collector> hah
39:58 <DHess_US> I would nope that nobody is that stupid.
40:09 <Nothing\> DHess_US: this is trump we're talking about
40:21 <rust_collector> no, it is other countries
40:29 <DHess_US> Another country might strike first if they were desperate. For instance like Japan and Pearl Harbor.
40:32 <Nothing\> don't forget his juvenile exchanges with kim jong un last year
40:41 <Nothing\> "my button's bigger, and it works!"
41:00 <DHess_US> Honestly I see nothing wrong with that.
41:09 <Nothing\> i don't think north korea's stupid enough to launch a first strike nuclear attack on the US though
41:14 <DHess_US> If that language gets through to Kim Jong, then good.
42:37 <Nothing\> it's all saber rattling for the sake of manipulating them, historically north korea's always gone through periods of saber rattling, followed by apparently agreeing to talks and diplomacy and such
42:53 <DHess_US> But imagine another scenario like Iran destabilizing because of our sanctions so they foment a war in the Middle East.
43:18 <DHess_US> North Korea's game is to just delay until they have a credible nuclear threat.
43:24 <DHess_US> Iran's is also.
43:27 <Nothing\> that's what i figure
43:36 <T3sl4> i mean, not that we don't foment war in the middle east as it is
43:42 <Nothing\> they're just hoping to buy time until MAD is a sure thing if anyone attacks them
43:52 <Nothing\> but that's not gonna happen any time soon
43:56 <DHess_US> Iraq was a great success. What are you talking about?
44:07 * DHess_US sets sarcasm to 11.
44:44 <Nothing\> they don't even have working hydrogen bombs yet, and even if they did have working hydrogen bombs, they'd still have to develop the technology to the point where the bomb goes from being dozens of tons and the size of a small building, to being small enough to fit on a warhead
45:11 <DHess_US> They have plenty to be worried about. The lesson of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistand is that the US does not invade nuclear powers.
45:21 <Nothing\> afaik they scarcely have the technology to fit reliable conventional atomic bombs on warheads, i'm sure they have that technology now but it's also a fairly recent development for them
45:52 <DHess_US> Um, there is a big step between a fission weapon and hydrogen bomb. Most US weapons are boosted fission weapons.
46:20 <Nothing\> the main reason north korea's been able to develop nukes so quickly is because a lot of researchers who worked on nuclear weapons in the USSR have been working for them, a lot of ukrainian scientists lost their jobs after the cold war ended and the soviet union collapsed
46:23 <DHess_US> Hydrogen bombs are the exception and only used for special applications.
46:39 <Nothing\> DHess_US: that was the point i was making
47:00 <Nothing\> hydrogen bomb technology is a long way off for them, especially technology that would let them make ones small enough to fit on warheads
47:10 <T3sl4> i forget how much of our arsenal is supposed to be fusion; the majority is fractional-Mt for tactical reasons IIRC
47:12 <DHess_US> My point is they don't *need* hydrogen bombs. Boosted fission weapons are sufficient and difficult enough.
47:35 <Nothing\> DHess_US: for widespread destruction, sure, but would it be enough for MAD to happen?
47:52 <DHess_US> Yes, boosted fission weapons are all that is required.
48:14 <DHess_US> Hydrogen bombs are what you use when you need something which scales up above 500 kilotons.
49:00 <Nothing\> i've been thinking, north korea could probably cause way more disruption if they detonated a nuke in space
49:38 <DHess_US> T3sl4, no. Most of our strategic weapons are boosted fission designs. I'm not even sure if the US has any dedicated tactical weapons anymore.
50:10 <DHess_US> Nothing\, where? Why? The area of effect of an EMP weapon really isn't that large.
50:33 <T3sl4> tactical, strategic, whatever
50:52 <Nothing\> DHess_US: the EMP itself isn't but the charged particles get caught up in the van allen belts and cause shorts to any electronics in orbit, and i'm not 100% on this but i think it can disrupt wireless communications on the ground as well
51:20 <DHess_US> A tactical weapon is intended to be used by commanders in the field. I don't think the US has any of those. What we do have are strategic weapons which could be used for tactical purposes if neccessasry.
51:21 <Nothing\> the US did a test called starfish prime that caused auroras to be seen over hawaii and accidentally destroyed 2 satellites
51:37 <Nothing\> afaik they stopped doing tests in space after that because of how disruptive it was
52:07 <DHess_US> Nothing\, sure. But the area isn't that large compared to the surface of the Earth. They work, but it isn't something that affects for instance the whole US or even a large part of it.
52:37 <Nothing\> but from the sounds of it, the potential for disruption from damaging communication and GPS satellites in orbit would be way more than if they detonated a bomb over a city
53:05 <DHess_US> 10k+ immediate casualties versus EMP? Naw.
53:40 <Nothing\> DHess_US: if they knocked out GPS, pretty well every airliner in the sky would be blind
53:51 <Nothing\> or mostly blind anyways
54:00 <DHess_US> No, airliners can navigate without GPS, just not as well.
54:13 <DHess_US> And any EMP weapon is not going to do more than put a temporary hole into GPS>
54:21 <DHess_US> If it affected GPS at all.
54:43 <Nothing\> nah, the effect is permanent, the satellite is rendered useless so it would require they put new ones into orbit
54:45 <DHess_US> The GPS satalites are in semi-synchronous 12 hour orbit so they are awfully far away.
54:52 <Nothing\> yeah i was thinking that, too
55:01 <Nothing\> but the van allen belts go up pretty high too, though i'm not sure how high
55:11 <DHess_US> The GPS satalites are not in any more danger than the geosync communication satalites.
55:25 <Nothing\> yeah, the outer belt goes up to 40,000km
55:31 <DHess_US> And the GPS satalites are designed to operate during wartime conditions.
55:42 <Nothing\> although i dunno if the EMP would get caught up in the outer van allen belt or how that would work
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56:18 <DHess_US> It's the charged particle radiation which gets trapped in the van allen belts. It increases the general level of radioactivity that the satalites have to deal with.
56:46 <Nothing\> yeah that's what i was thinking, and i know they use pretty nifty radiation hardened equipment
57:03 <DHess_US> If you watch the view from the satalites which watch for x-ray flares on the sun, you can see the charged particle hits in the detectors after a big solar flare.
57:37 <DHess_US> The design requirements for radiation hardness are well known. I have a whole book on the subject but never put it to use.
57:40 <Nothing\> but it's not so much the radiation causing faults like a latch up or something either, but also currents induced in the circuitry
57:50 <Nothing\> ah yeah i love that effect
57:55 <DHess_US> That is how latch up occurs.
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58:16 <Nothing\> oh, i thought it was a state change caused by a charged particle interacting with a transistor
58:22 <DHess_US> Where it matters, they use semiconductor processes which are immune to latch up and similar problems.
58:30 <Nothing\> maybe that's a single event upset i'm thinking of
58:47 <DHess_US> Single event upset is temporary. Latch-up is not.
58:53 <Nothing\> yeah
59:28 <DHess_US> Latch up generally involves triggering a parasitic thyristor structure in an IC or MOSFET with photocurrents generated by the charged particles.
59:39 <Nothing\> i know the memory on the computers used in the curiosity rover have actually suffered corruption from radiation exposure, i'll have to see if i can find out what the exact failure mechanism was
00:13 <DHess_US> That may be more about long term "total dose" radiation exposure which damages the circuits gradually.
00:18 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah so i guess if you can avoid making anything similar to an SCR you can avoid latch ups, if that's possible
00:42 <DHess_US> It's very easy. Don't use junction isolated IC processes for space components.
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01:01 <Nothing\> yeah, the only thing i know about it is the CPU was more rad hardened than the rest of the computer for some reason, so apparently it wasn't hardened enough
01:06 <DHess_US> That is the very reason Harris was big into dielectric isolated IC processes.
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01:48 <DHess_US> Right, the CPU was probably made on a dielectric isolated process and intended for military and space applications. But when you want cutting edge memory, that is a problem.
02:21 <Nothing\> it was one of those rad750 cpus, based on the PPC750
03:23 <DHess_US> The problem they have is that there is so little demand for a CPU like that that selection is very limited.
03:43 <DHess_US> Nobody wants to tool up and make them unless they have to.
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04:34 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAD750
04:43 <Nothing\> i hadn't considered that, i guess the economy of it goes up as you produce more for sale, so if they're only putting out afew thousand chips it's not gonna be very worth their while
04:54 <T3sl4> what do they sell, thousands of them annually?
04:56 <Nothing\> i guess that explains at least part of why they're so expensive, despite being based on 20 year old technology
04:57 <DHess_US> I wonder who actually made it.
05:21 <DHess_US> T3sl4, if that. They aren't commonly used except in space applications.
05:29 <Nothing\> but i'm sure there are fundamental differences in their fabrication that probably make them so expensive too
05:40 <T3sl4> Nothing\: semi relevant https://i.redd.it/5gq6h4dn68q31.jpg
05:42 <Nothing\> not to mention the R&D that goes into developing rad hardened CPUs
05:57 <DHess_US> Yes but that isn't what makes them expensive. It is that demand is so low that there is no economy of scale.
06:28 <Nothing\> T3sl4: lol the sad thing is, i'm noticing more and more trump is doing things that you would expect from a dictator
06:55 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah so the main reason for the cost is just to recoup the losses from the small production volume
07:05 <DHess_US> yes
07:49 <DHess_US> I'm sure if you trace it back that CPU was fabricated by whoever ended up with Harris
08:02 <DHess_US> 'Harris' dielectric isolated fabrication plant.
08:06 <T3sl4> if the masks cost say $50M (and that's probably woefully optimistic?) and they make 10ku in the product lifetime, that's still $5k/ea with no profit and no financing
08:27 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah i was wondering who harris was lol i figured maybe he was a famous researcher
08:30 <Nothing\> like what's his face
08:36 <Nothing\> and that guy
08:40 <Nothing\> you know, always wore a shirt
09:37 <DHess_US> Naw, Harris did their own semiconductor fabrication including ICs for both commercial and military applications. They were one of the ones who developed dielectric isolated semiconductor processes exactly for radiation hardened parts.
09:40 <Nothing\> T3sl4: somehow that doesn't seem too bad
10:00 <DHess_US> You used to be able to buy Harris power MOSFETs. At some point they merged with someone.
10:16 <DHess_US> Harris even made 286s at some point.
10:48 <Nothing\> huh neat
11:17 <DHess_US> Sort of like Motorola I guess
11:27 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_Corporation
12:32 <Nothing\> ah that's why i haven't heard of them, mostly military applications
13:03 <DHess_US> I have one of their big databooks somewhere. Looks like their semiconductor division became Intersil.
13:09 <Nothing\> i'd like to get some 5400 series or some other milspec chips some time, just for the sake of having them
13:23 <T3sl4> i've got a box full of em
13:33 <DHess_US> Err, wait. Harris bought Intersil, and then spun it off. Or something.
13:54 <DHess_US> In 1988 Intersil was taken over by Harris Semiconductor, which had offered the IM6100 as second source. Harris combined these activities with the semiconductor divisions of Radiation Incorporated, General Electric and RCA they had taken over before. In 1999 Harris spun off its entire semiconductor division and Intersil Corporation was created [7] with the largest IPO in American semiconductor industry history.
14:05 <Nothing\> heh another thing i've had my eye on is some soviet equivalents of 7400 ICs, they come in this so called "elephant poop-brown" package
14:22 <DHess_US> sounds like bakelite
14:56 <Nothing\> i'm not sure what they used, actually it didn't even occur to me until just now to consider what sort of plastic they use in IC packages and why
15:13 <DHess_US> Nothign wrong with bakelite
16:06 <Nothing\> i have this problem with a lot of my chips where if my fingers have any oil on them, like if i touch my face, and then i touch the label on an IC, the writing will rub off from the oil
16:16 <Nothing\> i have no doubt a lot of my chips are counterfeit
16:21 <DHess_US> Huh. Cheap chips then.
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16:29 <DHess_US> Buying them from China?
16:31 <Nothing\> yup
16:45 <Nothing\> i even have some 74hc595s where the TI logo is a picture of the united states lol
17:05 <Nothing\> they work just fine though, at least as far as i can tell without trying to characterize them
17:34 <Nothing\> but it's a rela pain when the label rubs off cuz most of them don't have any laser etching, so once the writing's gone there's no way to tell what it is
20:25 <Nothing\> then again, now thati think about it, i don't think i've ever actually run any of these chips faster than 100hz lol
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26:32 <DHess_US> My old server is dying so preparing my Windows 10 test system to take its place temporarily.
26:59 <DHess_US> I now know more than I ever wanted to about using the command line to manipulate Microsoft Storage Spaces.
27:27 <DHess_US> My conclusion is that hardware RAID is cheaper, faster, and easier to use.
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00:04 <Halcyon_> Morning all
01:31 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/RMqIM3W.png also, belatedly relevant
01:57 <Halcyon_> Heh
02:03 <Halcyon_> Why? What has he done now?
03:13 <coppice> Nothing\: Harris did some military stuff, but a lot of civilian things like TV and radio transmitters, telephone network stuff, semiconductors and so on
07:17 <coppice> Harris was an interesting semiconductor supplier. they made quite a few good things that nobody else made
07:36 <coppice> they were also well ahead of Intel on processes for a long time :)
31:30 <steve30> hi Halcyon_
31:42 <Halcyon_> Hey Steve
34:53 <steve30> hows you?
45:46 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/Eyebleach/comments/dctsgg/the_best_wiggle_butt_known_to_man_d/
45:55 <Halcyon_> Not too bad, how about you?
47:02 <steve30> I'm just wondering when I'll be tired enough to go to sleep
51:13 * steve30 purrs at Halcyon_ 
51:37 <Halcyon_> Sillt cat
51:38 <Halcyon_> :P
51:42 <T3sl4> you could have another relaxing coffee ;)
52:04 <steve30> that sounds like a good idea
52:22 * steve30 eyes up T3sl4's coffee cup
52:54 * T3sl4 slides its warm fullness into steve30
52:56 <T3sl4> WAIT
53:23 <steve30> :D
09:04 * steve30 sits on T3sl4's lap
10:37 <T3sl4> i'm not bouncing you :P
10:45 <T3sl4> (that would spill the coffee mug)
14:15 * T3sl4 scritches steve30 instead
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40:57 <steve30> I see the National Autistic Society are doing there silly "autism hour" next week
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16:14 * Halcyon_ nibbles on a cinnamon croissant
25:35 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon_ 
25:51 <Halcyon_> :)
35:29 <steve30> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-49921669
36:00 <steve30> hehe
36:36 <Halcyon_> What fucking idiots
37:05 <Halcyon_> This is what I hate about activists of all types. They damage property and interrupt peoples lives. This doesn't help their cause.
37:17 <Halcyon_> How about get some fucking education and make a difference that way.
38:43 <Halcyon_> But also ROFL. This is why noobs shouldn't operate fire trucks and pumps. Morons. Again, comes down to that education thing.
43:44 <steve30> They should have employed a fireman instead :)
44:01 <Halcyon_> I think fire fighters wouldn't be that stupid.
44:03 <steve30> But I suppose then there's be one less person to save us from burning buildings
44:09 <Halcyon_> Indeed
45:28 <coppice> steve30: its not usually that easy to catch vandals
49:47 <steve30> I kinda want more food now
49:59 <Halcyon_> Get some
51:12 <steve30> ok
30:38 * steve30 had toast
31:06 <Halcyon_> What did you have on the toast?
31:20 <steve30> butter and marmite
34:54 <steve30> I think I'll go to bed. Feel free to come and tuck me in :)
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12:58 <steve30> Well, sleeping didn't work out
36:04 <Halcyon_> Hey steve30, you still around?
37:56 <steve30> yeah
38:18 <Halcyon_> Is there a place that sells DVDs/Blurays near you?
38:35 <steve30> pre-recorded?
38:50 <Halcyon_> Yeh
38:57 <steve30> There's HMV (a big chain store)
39:16 <Halcyon_> Is it easy for you to get to? I'm after this: https://www.thetvdb.com/series/chickens
39:23 <Halcyon_> But it seems like it was only released in the UK
39:33 <Halcyon_> I don't really need the physical disc, just an image of it
40:43 <steve30> looks like they don't have it
40:44 <steve30> https://store.hmv.com/search-results?searchtext=chickens&searchmode=anyword
41:00 <Halcyon_> Poop
41:18 <Halcyon_> I can buy it off Amazon Prime, but I'm assuming it will be in some streaming DRM version only
41:43 <steve30> I've not heard of it, but that page says it was on Sky 1, which I don't have.
41:49 <Halcyon_> Yeh it was back in 2011
41:55 <Halcyon_> I only discovered it yesterday
44:21 <steve30> looks available on ebay
44:22 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chickens-DVD-DVD-94VG-The-Cheap-Fast-Free-Post/143225391710?epid=170380523&hash=item2158e60a5e:g:fI8AAOSwnehdWppK
56:27 <steve30> I think I'll go back to bed
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58:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, my latest video uploaded in 4K was available in 1080p quality less than a minute after uploading. Has something changed on the processing back end?, or did I get a lucky priority slot or something?
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15:06 * Ampera harpoons Halcyon_ 
30:22 <Halcyon_> \o/
30:28 <Halcyon_> Finally something long and hard
30:34 <Halcyon_> Sorry was out watering the lawn
33:56 * Ampera waters Halcyon_ 
34:14 <Halcyon_> Not into watersports thank you :P
34:28 <Ampera> how do, communist?
34:50 <Halcyon_> Alright, been outside most of today, it was about 28-30 degrees
35:16 <Ampera> I ended up going home from school after my first class since I didn't think I could make it through the rest of the day
35:32 <Ampera> then I slept for 10 hours straight and decided that an excellent idea would be to bike to Popeyes and get some fried chicken
35:33 <Halcyon_> Aww
35:43 <Halcyon_> You feeling better now?
35:49 <Ampera> that was not an excellent idea and proves I know nothing about the idea of not overexerting one's self while sick
36:04 <Halcyon_> But you got fried chicken?
36:08 <Ampera> mhm
36:20 <Halcyon_> Worth it :P
36:57 <Ampera> I should probably take some more guaifenesin before I hurt my throat
37:21 <Halcyon_> Oh also, Big Clive sent me an email
37:25 <Halcyon_> I'm sending him something for a video
37:47 <Ampera> you got all the big connections
37:49 <Ampera> literally
37:57 <Halcyon_> Pfft, hardly
38:16 <Halcyon_> It has a lithium battery pack in it though and the UK are funny about importing those
38:26 <Ampera> send it to the isle of man then
38:28 <Halcyon_> Hopefully it won't get picked up at customs
38:33 <Ampera> which isn't the UK
38:35 <Halcyon_> It's going to the Isle of Man
38:39 <Halcyon_> Yeh but UK look after their post
38:49 <Ampera> you could also have tried transglobal express
38:56 <Halcyon_> I haven't sent it yet
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39:03 <Ampera> https://www.transglobalexpress.co.uk/
39:54 <Ampera> They will send a 2Kg package 10cmx10cmx10cm for 37.26 GBP in 3 days via DHL
39:54 <Halcyon_> Quite expensive
40:03 <Ampera> Expensive? They're piss cheap
40:54 <Halcyon_> The same package costs me $23.20 by Australia Post
41:12 <Ampera> yeah well
41:29 <Ampera> same distance and size would be around 40-50 USD here, probably more
42:43 <Ampera> Australia to UK is about the same as US to AU, so
43:10 <Halcyon_> Hah, apparently "Personal Data" (with a picture of a USB drive) is considered a "Prohibited Item" by DHL
43:14 <Halcyon_> What the hell?
43:46 <Halcyon_> They won't take Lithium Ion batteries either
44:03 <Ampera> Huh
44:03 <Halcyon_> So there does Transglobal Express
44:07 <Ampera> I'd have thought DHL would have
44:13 <Halcyon_> Nope
44:26 <Halcyon_> Australia will export it as long as it's under 80 watt hours or something like that
44:28 <Ampera> USPS for the same distance is 70 USD so
44:37 <Ampera> to me 37 GBP would be piss cheap
44:40 <Halcyon_> But the UK prohibits it regardless of size
45:22 <Halcyon_> I was thinking of just packaging it up with some other nonsense circuit boards so it didn't look *as* suss in an x-ray.
46:54 <Halcyon_> Anyway back later, friends are here.
47:01 <Ampera> k
50:35 <Ampera> Halcyon_, well if you can't find any Australian carrier willing to send it to the UK, if you can find one willing to send it to the US, the USPS permits Liion battery shipment to the isle of man
51:43 <Ampera> so long as the battery is installed in something
52:21 <Ampera> (or packed with)
52:26 <Ampera> as in you can't just send a raw liion battery
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06:24 * Ampera throws a full orchestra with synthesizers at DogWomble 
07:14 * DogWomble hooks up the synthesizers and attempts to play one of the greatest synth classics of the 80s, Axel F
07:51 <DogWomble> apparently i can't type for shit, that's not unusual
07:57 <Ampera> I can almost play Axel F
08:04 <Ampera> on guitar and keyboard
08:30 <DogWomble> i once did an arrangement of Axel F back when i was doing music in high school
08:46 <DogWomble> it was 20 years ago, and was a pretty dodgy arrangement, i doubt i could repeat it now
09:15 <DogWomble> this was back on an Atari 1040st with a roland keyboard and an early version of cubase
21:59 <DogWomble> oh if only i could get the motivation to take music a bit mroe seriously again
25:50 <Ampera> DogWomble, I'm a casual music enthusiast, but I can't play very well.
26:29 <Ampera> My equipment is actually really really neat though. For keyboards I use a Keystation 88 by M-Audio as a MIDI controller, going into a 2006 Mac Mini
26:30 <DogWomble> yeah, i just lost interest for a while once i had my place broken into and had a $900 12-strong and a brand new 6-string thhat i'd just finished paying off stolen
26:47 <Ampera> which runs Arch Linux and QSynth
26:49 <Ampera> oh damn
27:39 <Ampera> For guitars I have a cheap 100 dollar 6 string Fender clone, and a really nice (I think 600DM) 4 string base by Pearl from my dad.
28:13 <Ampera> That goes into a Behringer UMC404HD ADC/DAC, and then goes into Guitarix for DSP pedal effects
29:00 <DogWomble> if i had the money, i would love to get a Maton acoustic, they make some decent instruments and if you go acoustic/electric they have good pickups in them, at the moment because i really don't do much playing i can't really justify spending that sort of money
29:39 <Ampera> Yeah tbh the only thing in that lot I really paid for was the DAC/ADC, everything else was free, is on permanent loan, or was bought for me
29:50 <DogWomble> aah nice :D
50:29 <DogWomble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuEEEwgdAZs things like that make me tempted to buy another 12 string, i just love the sound of them
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05:57 <Ampera> DHess_US, why is your hostmask TLD for iceland?
12:19 <DHess_US> Good question since my IP is actually Paris, France.
13:03 <Ampera> That's some whacky ass routing, maybe some undersea cable is making a stop off in Iceland or something
13:20 <DHess_US> No, VPN endpoint is Paris, France.
13:33 <DHess_US> I don't know why Iceland shows up as the TLD.
13:43 <Ampera> cstorm.is also doesn't seem to resolve to anything either
13:46 <DHess_US> Error in someone's database?
14:41 <DHess_US> https://cryptostorm.is/
16:33 <DHess_US> Using a VPN atm because I am between ISPs here locally.
17:59 <Ampera> huh
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