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30:57 <Guest|6> re
32:08 <Guest|6> anyone wake?
36:56 <rust_collector> no, not very
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25:29 <Nothing\> hey ho
26:02 Nick: Ampera1 is now known as Ampera
26:13 <Nothing\> so whoever recommended i get a kill a watt meter, should probably stop recommending them, they're garbage
26:29 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
26:34 <Nothing\> mine was saying last night while my phone was in fast charge mode it was only drawing 80 milliamps
26:34 <Ampera> get a HOPI
26:41 <Ampera> oh
26:45 <Ampera> different thing then
26:49 <Nothing\> where the usb volt/ammeter i had on it said it was drawing a reasonable 1 amp
26:55 <Nothing\> nah it's basically the same as a hopi
27:11 <Nothing\> i would have liked to get a hopi, but they only have an EU plug and using an adapter would mess up the power factor readings
27:42 <Nothing\> the display on this thing is just an LCD with no backlight so it's almost impossible to read cuz you've got it plugged into an outlet which is usually in a dark place
27:58 <Nothing\> plus the font for the mode its in is so tiny, i couldn't read it even if it was well lit
27:58 <Ampera> Nothing\, you couldn't rewire the plug?
28:16 <Nothing\> i suppose i could use an extension cord
28:30 <Nothing\> heh so i was in the hospital again the other day
28:34 <Ampera> no I meant chop the EU plug off and wire a NEMA one on
28:37 <Ampera> oh great
28:38 <Ampera> what for
29:10 <Nothing\> got an abscessed tooth so i got some antibiotics from my dentist and the next day the side of my face swelled up like there was a softball in there
29:25 <Nothing\> all the way from my eye over to my ear and down to my chin
29:41 <Nothing\> and across my lip lol my lip stuck way out like bubba on forest gump
30:07 <Ampera> sounds like you're allergic to the antibios
30:12 <Nothing\> i've been getting antibiotic shots and they seem to be clearing it up nicely, still really swollen and sore but it's getting better now at least
30:19 <Ampera> oh
30:21 <Nothing\> nah it wasn't allergies, it was just a massive infection
30:27 <Ampera> rip
30:40 <Nothing\> yeah i realized i would be riping if not for modern medicine
31:12 <Nothing\> the funny thing is, my grandfather was in the ER too from a couple of days ago, they still had him in the damn hall after he had a stroke so my mom and i stopped in to see him
31:22 <Nothing\> they got him up to a room yesterday finally
31:29 <Nothing\> that hospital is fucking awful
31:59 <Nothing\> ah crap my mom's up from her nap so i've gotta go to the hospital for my next shot
32:03 <Nothing\> thought i'd have more time
32:07 <Nothing\> anyways take care man
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34:28 <Ampera> oh shit
34:38 <Ampera> damian, any clue why DHess_US got G-Lined?
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04:28 <Mixermic> hey everyone
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40:40 * Ampera pokes Halcyon 
58:52 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
58:58 <Ampera> HALCYON
58:59 <Ampera> how do
59:33 <Ampera> fine, ignore me then
00:04 <Halcyon> Just got up
00:06 <Halcyon> Made a coffee
00:08 <Ampera> lol
00:14 <Ampera> how's your tummy?
02:14 <Halcyon> Much better
02:14 <Halcyon> :)
02:56 <Ampera> I'm working on a new project
03:17 <Halcyon> Oh yeh
03:26 <Ampera> planning on making a PBX
05:12 <Ampera> There's a bunch of complications, since our VoIP provider is Google Voice, among other issues
05:33 <Ampera> but the main hope is that I can get some friends and relatives using SIP phones and make calling them easier.
07:05 <Halcyon> Yeh I saw your post
07:16 <Halcyon> I haven't played with Asterisk for about 15 years
08:36 <Ampera> I've never messed with it, but I'd quite like to do it.
10:01 <Halcyon> Yeh it's a pretty cool product
10:11 <Ampera> you're a pretty cool product
10:18 <Halcyon> I know ;-)
10:18 <Ampera> also any clue why DHess_US got G-Lined?
10:32 <Halcyon> Nope, gremlinz, can you assist?
10:42 <Ampera> I asked damian but he's not responded yet
10:45 <Ampera> idk who does what here so
10:52 <Ampera> he was alphabetically first
11:06 <Halcyon> https://www.austnet.org/staff.php
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12:49 <Halcyon> Ampera, I don't get the picture you posted in the Linux/MS thread?
12:54 <Halcyon> Who the hell is that?
13:13 <Ampera> the joke is he's so frustrated he has veins popping out of his head
13:18 <Halcyon> Right
13:25 <Ampera> thank you for understanding my joke
13:32 <Ampera> I hope I can rivet you with more of them in the future
13:41 <Halcyon> Look forward to it
14:29 <gremlinz> sup
14:40 <Halcyon> * DHess_US ([email protected]) has joined
14:40 <Halcyon> * DHess_US has quit (G-Lined)
14:42 <Halcyon> Any ideas?
14:48 <gremlinz> is a real person?
14:52 <Ampera> well presumably someone G-Lined him, I'm just curious why
14:52 <Halcyon> Yup
14:53 <Ampera> yes he is
15:00 <Ampera> a regular, we quite like him
15:07 <Ampera> or at least I do, can't speak for Halcyon
15:45 <Halcyon> I just saw this and now I want steak: https://www.goodfood.com.au/recipes/grilled-aged-ribeye-with-bearnaise-sauce-20131213-2zccb
15:46 <gremlinz> triggered our VPN bl, lemme do some checks
15:55 <Halcyon> No worries, thanks gremlinz
16:26 <Ampera> he does a lot of network tomfuckery so that's probably why
17:40 <Halcyon> Another gorgeous day outside. Should be about 25 degrees today
18:55 <gremlinz> hmm he uses a few different ips on the bl, and i ain't gonna whitelist all of them
19:15 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough, Ampera, are you able to chat to him and find out what the go is?
19:16 <gremlinz> i'll get in touch by email
19:22 <Halcyon> Yeh, or that works
19:32 <gremlinz> ofc he could of done the same :)
19:36 <Halcyon> *shrug*
20:27 <Halcyon> I should go to the post office before it closes
20:38 <gremlinz> run
20:48 <Halcyon> Closes at 1200
21:12 <Halcyon> I'm expecting RAM to arrive for one of my servers, I was hoping to play this weekend
21:28 <rust_collector> post office. I remember back when we had post offices
21:37 <Halcyon> Heh
21:42 <gremlinz> i went over to my mates last night and assisted reorganising his rack
21:47 <gremlinz> bit of a mission
21:55 <Halcyon> The main reason I go to the post office is because I don't have a letter box in front of my house, everything goes to my PO Box
22:06 <Halcyon> Bit of a shit fight was it gremlinz ?
22:16 <gremlinz> aye
22:28 <Halcyon> I'm considering moving mine from the storage room into the garage
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25:08 <Halcyon> Anyway, back soon.
02:58 <steve30> hi Halcyon
10:21 <Ampera> Halcyon, well I thought he was on the forums, but apparently he isn't
10:24 <Ampera> so I have no means to contact him
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29:11 <gremlinz> i've sent an email using the address linked to his account nickname
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16:08 <Halcyon> Thanks gremlinz
16:32 <gremlinz> got ur sticks?
16:54 <Halcyon> Nah, but got another package I was expecting
17:32 <gremlinz> 1/2 aint bad
17:43 <Halcyon> True
18:03 <Halcyon> Would have been nice to have the RAM though. My hypervisor is pretty much using 100%
19:25 <gremlinz> i run out of cores before ram
20:22 <gremlinz> im in the process of setting up pihole in docker on ubuntu 18
21:02 <gremlinz> on da xen server
21:23 <steve30> I can't sleep
21:36 * gremlinz tranquilizers seaner
21:39 <gremlinz> oop
21:43 <gremlinz> *steve30
24:26 <Ampera> I am doing email server stuff
24:38 <Ampera> I should have everything I need to run my own email server
25:27 <Halcyon> Nice, I recently switched from pihole to pfBlockerNG on pfsense
27:21 * steve30 snuggles up to halcyon
27:48 <Ampera> My ISP blocks 25 outgoing so I'm going to try using Amazon SES for outgoing.
34:55 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
35:01 <Halcyon> Ampera, they can't turn off blocking?
35:10 <Ampera> standby, doing something
39:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, they might be willing to do that, but very likely not, since they'd likely want us to get a business plan
39:42 <Ampera> which they charge out the nose for, but give us things like static IPs and allow us to run an email server
42:47 <orbii> i dont know why i watch 'My Mate VINCE' repairs. he has no idea what he's doing and makes so many bad assumptions :/
43:57 <coppice> orbii: its nice to have someone to look down on
44:44 <orbii> coppice: nah, not really. it's more like watching a train wreck
45:38 <coppice> when you enjoy a train wreck, is it the destruction or being able to look down on the idiots who caused it that appeals?
45:56 <Halcyon> That seems like bullshit to me
46:02 <Halcyon> Bloody ripoff merchants
46:49 <Halcyon> For what is a simple software switch, ISPs shouldn't be charging for it.
49:14 <orbii> Halcyon: what's wrong?
51:10 <Halcyon> I was referring to Ampera's comment about unblocking ports
51:45 <Halcyon> I did the same thing the other day, just called up Aussie Broadband, they did it for me, no questions asked
52:11 <Ampera> Well, we'll see
52:49 <orbii> Halcyon: yeah, never had an issue with aussie ISPs.
53:07 <orbii> for internode, it's a simple tickbox in the control panel for your account
53:10 <Halcyon> Yu
53:11 <Halcyon> p
53:13 <orbii> pretty sure iinet is the same
53:21 <Halcyon> Isn't internode iinet ?
53:25 <orbii> mostly
53:56 <orbii> they're both owned by TPG
54:08 <Halcyon> Oh orbii, question, have you had much experience with Telstra VoIP over NBN?
54:12 <orbii> they all run as seperate entities, but they're slowly consolidating the networks
54:17 <orbii> not really, no
54:56 <orbii> what's going on with it?
54:56 <Halcyon> I have a client who needs to upgrade his network in his store (he is moving to a bigger place). Basically he is running everything off the Telstra supplied business "hub" including landline phone for the business.
55:13 <Halcyon> I'd like to put in pfsense and ditch the Telstra router completely.
55:39 <orbii> it may be you can do a passthrough for the internet side, and leave the router there just for phone/termination point
55:59 <Halcyon> Yeh I thought about that, not exactly "tidy" though.
56:08 <orbii> no, but it's a common configuration
57:02 <coppice> Halcyon: what sort of speed does the average home with NBN get?
57:11 <orbii> telstra may be able to supply you with the SIP details to setup something else for SIP termination, though
57:29 <orbii> some ISPs are real cagey about it, though
57:30 <Halcyon> coppice: It's highly variable
57:41 <orbii> both places i've lived with NBN have had 100/40
57:45 <Halcyon> I get 40/10 where I am (which is VDSL2)
57:55 <Halcyon> Many get far less
58:06 <coppice> that sounds OK. people are always complaining about it
58:17 <orbii> the complainers tend to be the most vocal
58:36 <Halcyon> It is pretty garbage overall.
58:47 <Halcyon> I went almost a year with constant dropouts
59:06 <coppice> I know it was massively delayed from its predicted rollout
59:17 <Halcyon> I told them where the issue was many times (the copper lines are in poor condition and the joints were all corroded) but they didn't listen
59:22 <orbii> the entire delivery of the solution has been ridiculous, and virtually designed to be inconsistent - and lead to poor performance for many
59:42 <Halcyon> Had they have just bitten the bullet and rolled out fibre to most places, they wouldn't be chasing their tail with faults today.
00:27 <coppice> Halcyon: if you have VDSL the termination can't be that far away, so there shouldn't be too many connections between you and there to get corroded
00:40 <Halcyon> The node is about 1000 metres away
00:48 <Halcyon> Maybe 900m
01:32 <orbii> FTTC (fibre to the curb) VDSL is pretty decent - cos there's only 4-8 users per DPU - you're guaranteed 100/40
01:40 <Halcyon> Yup
01:53 <Ampera> oh we're talking about internet connections
02:08 <Ampera> I'll keep out, to ensure people living in less developed societies don't get jealous.
02:20 <orbii> FTTN (fibre to the node) VDSL isnt so great and is massively variable - cos they're running in some cases quite large distances, and serving a large number of users. And worse, whilst they're transitioning (some using it, some not) - they cant do vectoring - which again reduces performance
02:41 <Halcyon> The only thing stopping me from going to LTE tomorrow is CG-NAT on consumer plans
02:44 <coppice> Ampera: you live in one of the seriously underdeveloped societies for internet access
03:02 <Ampera> coppice, still better than the land down syndrome.
03:12 <Halcyon> Our mobile network is much faster and more capable of consistant speeds compared to the NBN
03:15 <Ampera> I'd also not call 940/880 underdeveloped.
03:24 <orbii> Halcyon: aussie broadband uses CGnat for most homeusers now, too - unless you ask not.
03:35 <Halcyon> orbii, I have a static IPv4 through ABB
03:39 <orbii> ah right
04:01 <Halcyon> But yes, CG-NAT is turned on by default on most plans, but you can opt-out of it
04:46 <coppice> Ampera: not many of the people in your society have access to those speeds. I was using 1G/1G 10 years ago in a place where huge numbers of people had access to it, and 100M/100M was the slow option
05:12 <Ampera> yes mr. hong kong, please tell us about how advanced your society is
05:18 * orbii chuckles
05:32 <Halcyon> I'd be tempted to move to NZ, they are trialling 10Gbit to homes
05:41 <Halcyon> Meanwhile we're 20 years behind
05:57 <Ampera> Yeah but I pick on Australia for their authoritarian practices, NZ is much much worse.
06:25 <Halcyon> We aren't even that authoritarian, most people here have quite a lot of freedom
06:40 <coppice> I'm puzzled by the urge many places have to introduce 10G home internet. I guess they feel bad about being so late with 1G, and feel the need to leap frog to something people won't get much benefit from for years
06:48 <Ampera> You need a license to own a gun, you're not allowed to carry a pocket knife on the street, and the police don't need a warrant to search you.
06:51 <Ampera> do go on
06:57 <Halcyon> Yep, all good things
07:06 <Halcyon> Tell me, how are your mass public place shootings going? ;-)
07:10 <Halcyon> How many people dead this year?
07:13 <Ampera> pretty good, we don't have many
07:13 <orbii> Ampera: so .. same as australia?
07:25 <Ampera> they represent the smallest number of gun fatalities in the nation, despite getting the majority of the press.
07:39 <Halcyon> That stat in itself is scary
08:15 <Halcyon> Oh, only 334 mass shootings YTD in the US
08:16 <Ampera> Our crime figures in general cannot be compared to Australia, since we have a vastly different populatory makeup, with one of, if not the most culturally, ethnically, politically, and monetarily diverse populations in the world.
08:16 <orbii> Halcyon: you should check out their road fatalities, and DUI fatalities. they dont care - it's all about 'mah liberteeees'
08:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, the issue is how that statistic gets defined.
08:37 <Halcyon> orbii: Because Police don't have the powers there to do their job effectively
08:43 <Halcyon> They can't just stop random cars for RBT
08:44 <Ampera> Is 3 people a mass shooting? 5? 10? 20?
09:22 <Ampera> Halcyon, actually they can.
09:31 <Ampera> Police can pull you over here, and you must comply.
09:56 <Halcyon> Do you have to submit to a breath test?
09:58 <Ampera> They can also arrest you for erratic driving perfectly fine, and if you get caught on a DUI, you'll be very lucky to ever drive again.
10:03 <Ampera> If they arrest you, yes.
10:12 <Halcyon> What are the grounds for arrest?
10:27 <Ampera> Due reason to suspect a person has committed a crime.
10:45 <Halcyon> But if Police stop a car and the driver doesn't show signs of impairment at that time, what then?
10:51 <Halcyon> How do Police determine intoxication
11:09 <Ampera> Police need a reason to pull over a car, if they were recklessly driving that's reason enough for an arrest, to which they can now test you.
11:16 <Halcyon> Sure
11:25 <Halcyon> But that's where my problem is
11:27 <Ampera> (this is the book now how it's done, police will often not tell you your rights, and often search you without accusing you)
11:36 <Halcyon> Most drunk drivers are discovered by a random traffic stop
11:43 <Halcyon> You don't have to show signs of impairment
11:43 <Ampera> If they pull you over for no reason and you don't look intoxicated, they are not allowed to search you, constitutionally.
12:14 <orbii> Ampera: here they'll just setup a road-block on Friday/Saturday night around pubs and pull everyone over - and drug/alcohol test you
12:28 <Ampera> We do have breathalyzer checkpoints, but they are not legally allowed to force you to do it.
12:33 <orbii> they are here.
12:57 <Ampera> They won't tell you that you can say no, heck, they might not even know you can say no, but they can't search you without accusing you of a crime, or having a specific warrant.
13:01 <Halcyon> Here it's an offence to refuse to stop when directed or to refuse an alcohol/drug test
13:06 <Ampera> I do also want to say, whenever I talk about US law, it's my understanding, I could be wrong.
13:19 <Halcyon> Sure, that's fine.
13:20 <Ampera> It's an offense to refuse to stop a car, as far as I know, but it's not an offense to refuse a search.
13:24 <Halcyon> I'm not a legal expert either
13:33 <Ampera> Under no circumstances is it a crime to refuse a search, ever.
13:38 <orbii> when you have free healthcare, having a DUI cause a massive accident costs everyone money. better to educate and police it, so only the person breaking the law has to pay for it
13:46 <Halcyon> Breath/drug tests aren't a search though?
13:48 <Ampera> Resisting a warranted search with force is different.
13:51 <Ampera> They are.
13:53 <Halcyon> How?
14:01 <Ampera> They search your body for evidence of you being drunk.
14:11 <Ampera> If it's not a search, then you wouldn't need to get the person to comply with it.
14:17 <Halcyon> That's REALLLLY stretching the definition of a "search"
14:30 <Ampera> I don't think so.
14:44 <Halcyon> To determine intoxication, we don't even have to touch the person, they just have to speak
14:53 <Halcyon> Speaking to someone isn't a search
15:07 <Ampera> It's not, but you cannot legally determine intoxication from speech, at least not entirely.
15:15 <Halcyon> Absolutely you can
15:19 <Ampera> You can't do it with a breathalyzer either.
15:23 <coppice> Halcyon: you are searching the contents of their lungs if you breathalyse them
15:27 <Ampera> ^
15:45 <Ampera> Legally speaking, you must arrest someone, draw blood, and test it in order for it to be court admissible.
15:47 <Halcyon> ROFL
15:47 <Halcyon> No
15:48 <orbii> Ampera: they do here. you talk into a machine, and it tests you
15:49 <Halcyon> Just no
15:53 <Ampera> Breathalyzers are not enough evidence to convict here.
16:14 <orbii> Ampera: if you roadside test bad, they take you back to the police station and you submit to a proper test.
16:21 <Halcyon> What I don't get is, a calibrated, verifiable scientific instrument isn't enough to convit, but some song and dance DUI display is?
16:31 <Halcyon> *convict
16:34 <coppice> they aren't reliable enough. they need to be backed up by a blood test if the reading is not really decisive
16:36 <orbii> Halcyon: 'murica
16:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, song and dance isn't enough to convict either.
16:57 <Halcyon> coppice: In 12 years in the cops, I've never seen a breath analysis machine fail positive
17:18 <Halcyon> And blood test is an option here, it's up to the accused if they want blood taken or not
17:24 <orbii> Halcyon: it happens rarely that people get back to the police station, and test under - but they're usually close-to
17:32 <Ampera> One *must* prove that they have a blood alcohol content above the legal limit by a blood test in order to convict. That is, as far as I know, the only permissible evidence in court besides proving that they drunk the alcohol.
18:09 <Halcyon> Alcohol concentration in breath is as accurate as measuring blood
18:12 <coppice> Halcyon: you generally only stop people and breathalyse them if they have so much alcohol it affects their behaviour. If they are borderline on the test, you'd definitely need a blood test to get an accurate reading
18:13 <Halcyon> In fact, blood comes back higher
19:17 <Halcyon> Not because the reading is higher, but they are able to "back count" a blood test to the time of arrest
19:27 <Halcyon> Not just the concentration of alcohol in blood at test time
20:14 <coppice> if its something like an accident, don't they need to back calculate to the time of the incident?
20:35 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns0G5Bc4XEY
20:39 <Halcyon> Yes, so here, if it's a fatal crash (or one that results in serious injuries), a mandatory blood test occurs.
20:57 <Halcyon> Blood results can be calculated back to a specific time, breath cannot.
21:39 <Ampera> I'm actually quite excited to get my own email server.
21:51 <Halcyon> I can't view that video
21:58 <Ampera> lol
22:23 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWwy6BCxxU this is a similar version
22:28 <orbii> Halcyon: with accidents, they also drug-test.
22:47 <Halcyon> Yes, blood gets taken and two samples are sent off, one for breath and one for drugs
24:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, can you watch that video?
24:42 <Halcyon> Yep
24:45 <Halcyon> Not my kind of music
24:47 <Ampera> good boy
24:50 <Ampera> bad boy
24:52 <Ampera> >:(
24:59 <Ampera> don't talk shit about buddy holly
25:03 <Halcyon> I didn't
25:08 <Ampera> he's an american icon or hero or something
25:12 <Halcyon> OK ?
25:27 <Ampera> yes
25:28 <Ampera> okay
25:30 <Ampera> no it's not
25:35 <Halcyon> *shrug*
26:46 <Halcyon> Back shortly, going to put the sprinkler on outside
27:01 <coppice> Ampera: he's just an icon through dying young. As Jimi Hendrix so wisely said "once you're dead you're made for life", who then died young to prove it.
27:15 <Ampera> lol
27:29 <orbii> i thought that was Bruce Springsteen
28:12 <coppice> The full Hexdix quote is "It’s funny the way most people love the dead. Once you are dead you are made for life. You have to die before they think you are worth anything."
28:25 <coppice> Hendrix
33:15 <Halcyon> Back
36:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you know anything about CNAME records for DKIM?
36:20 <Ampera> I just want to know how I can know that I've done it right.
36:33 <Ampera> I'm using Amazon SES as a sending service
38:21 <Halcyon> Nope
39:26 <Halcyon> I haven't set up a mail server for a long time
43:00 <Ampera> Do CNAME records just take longer despite whatever TTL they may have?
43:10 <orbii> o.O
43:32 <Halcyon> In my experience they are fairly instant
43:59 <Halcyon> You will need to clear/flush any DNS cache, but you said you aren't using one
44:38 <orbii> and intermediate DNS server could have cached it, however.
44:44 <Halcyon> Also true
45:36 <Ampera> Well all I know is that I have 3 CNAME records with a TTL of 300 and any DNS query I run reports back no CNAME records of any sort
46:10 <orbii> are they new records?
46:15 <Ampera> yes.
46:22 <orbii> have you previously queried the name before creating them?
46:25 <Ampera> but the TTL has elapsed
46:34 <Ampera> not on the same service nor DNS server
46:47 <orbii> then it should be working
47:54 <Ampera> Okay the CNAME records are working, I just have to use the value that it's set to not just amperaa.net
47:57 <orbii> happy to check it out, if you want to post in here
47:58 <Ampera> so it should be fine
48:11 <orbii> eh
48:31 <Halcyon> If you want to resolve the root domain, you need to add that as well
48:38 <Ampera> I don't
48:39 <Halcyon> For example @.amperra.net
48:47 <orbii> you cant have a cname at the root
49:00 <Halcyon> Ah yes, sorry
49:02 <Halcyon> Was thinking A records
49:19 * Halcyon pours another wine
49:22 <orbii> heh.
49:49 <Ampera> Amazon SES is asking me to provide a [redacted]._domainkey.amperaa.net CNAME record forwarding to [redacted].dkim.amazonses.com
50:11 <Ampera> so when I do a CNAME lookup for [redacted]._domainkey.amperaa.net, I get [redacted].dkim.amazonses.com
50:25 <Ampera> it's not verifying but they say for whatever reason it might take 72 hours
50:45 <Halcyon> Maybe it just takes their system time to update
50:51 <Halcyon> They won't be constantly checking
50:56 <orbii> Ampera: a 'cname lookup'?
51:08 <orbii> you should just do a dig or host
51:08 <Ampera> https://dnslookup.online/cname.html this tool I am using
51:14 <orbii> ...
51:18 <orbii> i thought you said you were a sysadmin :/
51:23 <Halcyon> Or even a TXT record
51:25 <Ampera> I never said I did
51:29 <Ampera> *I was
51:36 <Ampera> I just said that, out of all things, that's the stuff I tend to dick around with the most
51:41 <orbii> k
51:43 <Ampera> I have no formal training whatsoever in any field
51:53 <Ampera> I'm fucking 17 you cunt
51:59 <Halcyon> :P
52:20 <orbii> Ampera: so?
52:30 <Halcyon> That's right, Orbii is only 20 :P
52:34 <orbii> i'm in my 40s
52:38 <Ampera> lol
52:42 <orbii> but i was doing *nix shit at that age.
52:48 <Halcyon> I'm making bad jokes
52:49 <orbii> i was working at an ISP at 18
52:56 <Halcyon> I worked at an ISP at 14 :P
53:00 <Ampera> I don't know how to look that stuff up using the regular tools.
53:15 <Ampera> I know know what I've worked with, and I haven't worked with DNS all that much
53:20 <orbii> i dont think ISPs didnt really existed when i was 14
53:21 <Ampera> if I was, I wouldn't be here discussing it with ya
53:32 <Halcyon> This was a locak dial-up ISP
53:37 <orbii> yeah, so was the one i worked at
53:39 <Halcyon> Before the national 0198 numbers were a thing
55:00 <Ampera> I've genuinely never ever done anything with email before at all.
55:05 <Ampera> so this is all new to me
55:18 <orbii> Ampera: well, this is more DNS
55:21 <Halcyon> I think I last touched Exchange Server about 13 years ago
55:42 <Ampera> I don't deal with DNS much either.
55:53 <Ampera> I can do basic stuff like A records and TXT records, beyond that I don't know what I'm doing.
59:19 <orbii> with CNAME you need to make sure you put a . at the end - it catches people out
59:28 <orbii> ie: blah CNAME blah.blah.
01:09 <steve30> I've just been in the garage for half an hour opening and closing the door repeatedly
01:14 <orbii> steve30: how come
01:25 <steve30> In an attempt to re-programme the electric door opener
01:31 <steve30> I think I suceeded in the end
01:34 <orbii> cool
01:46 <Halcyon> Were you changing the open/close limits?
02:36 <steve30> Yes. I somehow screwed it up earlier and couldn't figure out what I'd done, so i reset it and reprogrammed it, then it still didn't quite work, but I think I've got it now.
02:38 <steve30> Hopefully.
05:26 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap to warm up
05:34 <Halcyon> It's 25 degrees here
05:40 * Halcyon puts Steve outside on the driveway
05:47 <steve30> 10C here
06:06 <Halcyon> There was a blue tounge lizard outside warming himself up
07:56 <steve30> I'm pleased to say my new drill and jigsaw work nicely.
08:07 <Halcyon> What did you do?
08:51 <steve30> drilled holes, screwed screws, and sawed chipboard
08:55 <Ampera> orbii, so that would mean [redacted].dkim.amazon.com. ?
08:59 <Halcyon> Hah
11:52 <Halcyon> OK, this is some weird shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEwppS7pCgI
12:08 <Ampera> >asmr mukbang
12:17 <Halcyon> Who the hell wants to listen to masticating noises?
12:21 <Ampera> there are certain types of people I do not like
12:32 <Ampera> kpop stans
12:35 <steve30> Bigclive fans?
12:36 <Ampera> and arms people
12:49 <Ampera> steve30, why the fuck would I hate a load of straight, white, mormons?
13:15 <steve30> I meant bigclive fans might like masticating
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14:09 <Ampera> Hi ThunderSqueak
14:17 * steve30 meows
14:20 <ThunderSqueak> hi there, sitting with my GF waiting for dinner
14:37 <ThunderSqueak> made a terryaki baked tofu to go with a stirfy...
14:50 <Ampera> I am eating a big back full of fried wonton strips
15:10 <ThunderSqueak> ah
15:18 <Ampera> *bag
15:41 <steve30> I wouldn't mind some more food
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35:56 <orbii> wb
36:07 <Halcyon> Ta :-)
37:11 * steve30 nibbles on Halcyon 
37:19 <Halcyon> :p
39:45 <orbii> oh my
52:55 <Ampera> \o/ Amazon SES works!
53:10 <Ampera> Now the hard part is figuring out how in the fuck to get an email server running
53:11 <Ampera> and not fuck it up
53:34 <Halcyon> Woot
53:45 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/plp9o9
45:53 <Halcyon> It's amazing that a plane can fly Sydney to NY non-stop
47:23 <Halcyon> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf7879/#2287630a
58:07 <Ampera> In other news my mail server is coming along
58:32 <Ampera> I'm getting mail in, it's just that the version of postfix I have doesn't have cyrus support, which is causing a problem
58:35 <Ampera> so I'm gonna make it from source
59:11 <Halcyon> Fun
01:26 <Ampera> my ports tree is massively out of date too, so I need to update that
01:39 <Ampera> but besides that, there's absolutely no reason I can't run a full email server now
01:47 <Ampera> and for way cheaper than I was afraid I might have to pay for it
02:03 <Halcyon> What are you using for spam filtering?
03:35 <Ampera> Haven't gotten to that yet
04:19 <Ampera> The plan is to get it working first, get POP3 or IMAP stuff working, get an email client going, and then do a full security checkup and spam filtering stuff
04:21 <Ampera> then start using it
24:51 <orbii> Ampera: hopefully you tried it as you said with the dot at the end, yeah
25:21 <Ampera> I got that all sorted, but that only added to the confusion.
25:33 <Ampera> There were other issues, all that matters is it works now.
25:49 <orbii> ah, cool.
26:03 <orbii> if you dont terminate a CNAME with a dot, it'll append the domain to it.
26:10 <orbii> anyway
28:42 <orbii> (technically any record, but eh.. CNAME is the one that catches people)
04:43 * DogWomble peers in
05:01 <orbii> hullo DogWomble
07:29 <DogWomble> hey orbii
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46:01 <Halcyon> Finally got this old Thinkpad BIOS updates
46:03 <Halcyon> updated
46:17 <Halcyon> The factory tool doesn't let you proceed if the battery isn't fully charged
46:23 <Ampera> cor fuck is email complicated
46:29 <Halcyon> And because this machine is so old, the battery is long borked
46:46 <Ampera> I've never seen in my entire life such a simple and, at it's core, basic idea made so horrifically complicated
47:15 <Halcyon> What is complicated about it?
47:19 <Ampera> yes.
47:25 <Halcyon> (I'm asking because I haven't done this for many years)
48:01 <Ampera> well let me figure another thing out and then I'll tell you
48:04 <Halcyon> Okies
48:22 <Halcyon> This Thinkpad has a Windows Vista sticker on it
48:28 <Halcyon> But fucked if I'm installing that shit
48:44 <Ampera> Right, so at it's core, email isn't that complicated.
49:30 <Ampera> SMTP is the protocol behind it in general, and all it really does is send data from one server to another, traditionally on port 25, and tell the server it's sending it to who it's for.
49:47 <Halcyon> Yes, I'm aware of how SMTP and POP/IMAP works
50:01 <Ampera> the issue is that there are so many additions, layers, security improvements, and DNS tomfuckery added to that concept that need to be /exactly/ right for it to be a nightmare.
50:25 <Ampera> my current issue is with email services not sending their emails where they're supposed to go, and afaik that's due to a malformed MX entry.
50:38 * orbii hrms at where to buy decent quality solder balls in .au
51:11 <Halcyon> We have solder balls at work orbii but NFI where we got them from
51:14 <orbii> :(
51:20 <orbii> google isnt giving a lot of clues
51:23 <Halcyon> I guess I could have a look at the label
51:30 <orbii> wondering if maybe i'm using bad terms
51:56 <Halcyon> https://www.aonemobiles.com.au/product/0-25mm-micro-bga-solder-balls-pb-lead-free-25k/
51:57 <Halcyon> ?
52:32 <orbii> lead free tho :/
52:37 <Halcyon> Ew
52:45 <Halcyon> https://www.aonemobiles.com.au/product/0-25mm-micro-bga-solder-balls-sn63-pb37-25k/
52:47 <orbii> i'd ideally want 63/37 if i can
52:48 <Halcyon> That's better
52:59 <Ampera> so I fixed the malformed MX entry, but now it's refusing all emails
52:59 <orbii> yeah
53:57 <Ampera> I'm running out of famotidine too, I need to get more of that
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02:29 <orbii> point one five or bust.
04:22 <T3sl4> always write the leading zero, and always say "point" without the leading zero
05:17 <orbii> indeed.
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48:12 <Halcyon> Yep, point one five
48:25 <Halcyon> Mainly because "fifteen" can be mistaken for "fifty"
48:31 <Halcyon> Especially over the phone
57:10 <Halcyon> https://www.goodfood.com.au/recipes/neil-perrys-american-cheese-and-bacon-burger-20191014-h1iuu2
57:13 <Halcyon> Mmmm meaty
57:54 <Ampera> Halcyon,
58:01 <Halcyon> Yessum
58:04 <Ampera> email [email protected]
58:21 <Halcyon> Done
03:53 <Halcyon> Did it work?
04:16 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/plqnwo
04:25 <Ampera> yes, I just had to go digging, cause I'm still getting stuff working
04:37 <Halcyon> I see
05:11 <Halcyon> I'm going to go shower
05:44 <Ampera> alright
17:23 * orbii contemplates the week ahead, sighs
17:39 <orbii> i've nearly gotten my workbench area setup, at least.
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49:12 <DogWomble> my kitchen bench tends to be my workbnench when i need to do things
45:55 <orbii> https://i.imgur.com/etehV1u.jpg it's nearly getting there.
59:13 <gremlinz> nice
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