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00:01:48 <Steven> yeah save that the GMs are the fittest of all
00:17:19 <Hydrazine> I don't think I like the attitude of gm vs players though.
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00:52:18 <Steven> i dont have that attitude, i have the attitude of GM vs Synthesists
00:52:29 <Avatar> haha
01:09:21 <Sn0uu> who/what is synthesists?
01:09:51 <Steven> a douche character...
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01:43:49 <Avatar> it's an archetype of the summoner class
01:45:16 <yogsolidis> Basically the character is his eidolon as a synthesist
01:45:23 <yogsolidis> he wears it
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05:10:48 * BoomerET glances around
05:26:30 <Avatar> you glancer arounderer
05:30:56 * kapow farts in Avatar's general direction
05:34:05 <BoomerET> Ewwww
05:34:34 <BoomerET> Hey, in case all ya'll didn't see. PFS scenarios are on sale for 25% off ($2.99 instead of $3.99)
05:34:45 <BoomerET> I just picked up all of season 2, now I only need 0 and 1.
05:36:06 <BoomerET> http://paizo.com/store/sale/paizo10thAnniversarySale
06:01:13 <yogsolidis> Sweet
06:01:15 <yogsolidis> Thanks for sharing :D
06:11:52 <BoomerET> Adventure Paths on sale as well.
06:17:34 <Avatar> are you serious
06:17:37 <Avatar> I bought a scenario just yesterday
06:25:26 <BoomerET> I bought all of season 3 last week.
06:26:04 <Avatar> why buy a whole season at once
06:26:53 <Avatar> if it's on sale that makes sense, but if it's not?
06:27:37 <BoomerET> I'm just trying to fill my PDF collection.
06:27:59 <Avatar> for the sake of filling it? :P
06:28:05 <BoomerET> Yup
06:28:08 <Avatar> do you plan on GMing
06:28:24 <BoomerET> Possibly, but not anytime soon.
06:28:32 <BoomerET> ie, not in the next couple months.
06:29:06 <Avatar> only seasons 0-2 are on sale by the looks, not season 3
06:29:23 <BoomerET> Oh good, that makes me feel just a little better <smirk>
06:30:02 <Avatar> season 4 starts in a month
06:30:09 <Avatar> exciting times
06:42:00 <BoomerET> I'm hoping to get some more gaming in soon. Been stuck at 2xp for too long <grin>
06:55:21 <Avatar> are you coming on wednesday
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06:57:59 <Avatar> hmmm, better or worse
07:01:37 <BoomerET> I can't make weekdays.
07:19:08 <yogsolidis> Can you run first steps with 3 people?
07:19:15 <yogsolidis> Was gonna accept but only two other people have
07:19:32 <Steven> yes you can run first steps with 3 people
07:37:37 <Mekkis> if I want a str penalty, I want it to be balance with con, charisma and a gnomish profile
07:37:48 <Avatar> have they already given away tiefling chronicle sheets?
07:37:53 <Mekkis> yeah
07:37:55 <Mekkis> I have one
07:37:57 <Steven> ahhhhhhh yeah mek
07:38:01 <Steven> yeah i have a tiefling
07:38:10 <Mekkis> well... about 80% of one
07:38:36 <Avatar> they should give away more of these races
07:38:59 <Steven> yeah im waitin for a strix boon
07:39:02 <Steven> ready...... go
07:39:05 <Avatar> even if everyone had one, it would only be applicable to one of their characters, so it's pretty likely there'd still be a core-race majority
07:39:06 <Mekkis> they should give me the ability to rebuild Nightmare
07:39:30 <Avatar> if they gave it to half the people who played, there's even less reason to worry about it
07:39:55 <Steven> i dunno, i rather like how they are handling the boons
07:39:55 <Mekkis> TBH, Avatar, I'm likely to ditch Nightmare
07:40:05 <Avatar> why
07:40:11 <Steven> the racial boons anyways
07:40:30 <Mekkis> because I built him wrong, and the concept doesn't seem realisable
07:40:47 <Steven> whats nightmare? your summoner?
07:40:47 <Avatar> I'm kind of worried my archaeologist will turn out like that
07:40:48 <Brunius> I've been to what, four convetions?
07:40:52 <Mekkis> yeah
07:40:54 <Brunius> conventions even
07:40:55 <Mekkis> my synthesist
07:40:59 <Brunius> zero boons
07:41:01 <Avatar> I need more feats and I don't want to touch fighter
07:41:04 <Brunius> Of any variety
07:41:18 <Brunius> I wouldn't be opposed to a different method of dispersing them
07:41:39 <Steven> have they been paizo backed or was the focus on other games and people just happened to set up some paizo tables?
07:41:54 <Steven> i think theres a 15 table minimum for a con to qualify for paizo boons
07:42:18 <Avatar> throughout the event? or any given day?
07:42:34 <Mekkis> throughout the evenyt
07:42:35 <Avatar> cause we usually have 4 tables per day
07:42:37 <Steven> throughout the event, but i could be wrong, ill ask walter when i see him on wednesday
07:42:48 <Avatar> actually I lie, 8 tables
07:42:52 <Avatar> two games
07:43:03 <Mekkis> that being said, we gave out boons at a con with three tables
07:43:12 <Mekkis> a good boon, too
07:43:20 <Mekkis> Keen Senses or whatever
07:43:28 <Mekkis> +2 to all perception checks
07:43:30 <Steven> as i said, i could be wrong, I'm sure theres guidelines somewhere you could look up
07:43:43 <Steven> yeah, melissa got one like that
07:43:45 <Mekkis> Australian Standards
07:44:56 <Mekkis> I still have a bunch of them in my folder. Remind me to shred them
07:46:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, don't you have the Masterful Forgery Boon?
07:50:46 <Steven> there it is, 15 tables at a single event, so i would assume 15 tables all playing at one time.
07:51:02 <Mekkis> no
07:51:16 <Mekkis> it means 15 reported sessions in the single event
07:52:21 <Steven> I think most of it is emailing Mike Brock
07:52:31 <Mekkis> or your local VC
07:52:43 <Steven> yeah or a VC
07:52:45 <Mekkis> where "local" means one kilomile away
07:54:42 <Avatar> I've kind of been thinking that once you have a skill up to about 20 total, you don't really need to keep putting ranks into it or boosting it
07:54:55 <Avatar> UMD is an exception to that I think
07:55:19 <Steven> notable exceptions, Intimidate, UMD, bluff, diplo, stealth,
07:55:29 <Avatar> maybe stealth
07:55:42 <Avatar> not intimidate or bluff or diplo
07:56:22 <Steven> i dunno man, intimidate pretty damn good, more points is basically just extending the length you shake them for
07:56:56 <Steven> i suppose if you are getting 2-3 skill poitns a level, yeah dont need anymore then a +20
07:57:02 <Avatar> yeah but you can rely on dice for that
07:57:23 <Mekkis> ride
07:57:28 <Avatar> if you raise it up too high it becomes game/character-breaking
07:57:53 <Avatar> does ride need any DCs higher than 20
07:58:02 <Mekkis> yes
07:58:13 <Mekkis> for mounted combat, the DC is the enemy's attack roll
07:58:35 <Avatar> what action is that
07:58:44 <Mekkis> a nonaction
07:58:53 <Avatar> no I mean, what task
08:00:30 <Avatar> I don't see anything there being vs enemy's attack roll
08:00:56 <Mekkis> mounted combat feat
08:01:01 <Mekkis> !feat mounted combat
08:01:02 <diebot> Mekkis, Avoid attacks on mount with Ride check
08:01:20 <Mekkis> if you want your mount to survive
08:02:06 <Avatar> i'd still say that could stick at 20
08:02:18 <Avatar> 20 + a dice roll on your ride check vs their attack roll
08:02:39 <Mekkis> given that enemies were pulling off 35 to hit regularly, I'd disagree
08:02:48 <Steven> hmmmm, lets say you Diplo an npc bard/sorc w/ a +20 modifier trying to talk it into no longer being unfriendly, you looking at what a dc 23-26 minimum so you gonna fail 15-30% of the time? sounds like theres no reason NOT to put more points into it.
08:03:16 <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
08:03:28 <Mekkis> at tier 8-9?
08:03:35 <Avatar> at any tier
08:03:54 <Mekkis> can I quote you on that?
08:04:15 <Avatar> you shouldn't have to rely on a feat so much so that you have to raise a skill higher than 20 to avoid all attacks
08:04:20 <Mekkis> !define 35AC: <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
08:04:20 <diebot> Mekkis, <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit defined as ??35AC
08:04:34 <Brunius> ??35AC
08:04:37 <Steven> lol
08:04:44 <Avatar> ??34AC
08:05:01 <Mekkis> Brunius is demonstrating the difference between !define and !define global
08:05:11 <Mekkis> <?35AC
08:05:11 <diebot> <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
08:05:18 <Mekkis> <?Staggered
08:05:24 <Mekkis> <?staggered
08:05:24 <diebot> A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions. A creature with nonlethal damage exactly equal to its current hit points gains the staggered condition.
08:05:29 <Avatar> you're taking it out of context by quoting it
08:05:34 <Mekkis> <?stunned
08:05:34 <diebot> You're screwed.
08:05:44 <Steven> i suspect avatar that me and you wont be seeing eye to eye on this 20 points into a skill
08:06:01 <Mekkis> I suspect Avatar will lose a lot of characters at high tier
08:06:21 <Avatar> sorry I don't have super optimised invincible builds
08:07:01 <Steven> i mean, if its game breaking to put more then 20 into a skill then surely it must be game breaking to optimize a character to hit, to defend, or cast spells.
08:07:58 <Avatar> I'm saying if it's that high, you're pretty well off
08:08:14 <Avatar> and if you keep putting ranks into it, your other skills are probably getting neglected
08:08:27 <Steven> depends on your skills per level
08:08:34 <Brunius> yeah
08:08:36 <Avatar> depends on a lot of things
08:08:42 <Avatar> I'm generalising
08:08:45 <Mekkis> hmmm
08:08:50 <Mekkis> +20 in knowledge...
08:08:58 <Brunius> Could be quite nice.
08:09:02 <Steven> can still totaly fail
08:09:33 <Mekkis> has a 40% chance of failing to identify a purple worm
08:09:49 <Steven> Folnor has +16 on knowledge checks except religion and Arcane which are 22
08:09:50 <Mekkis> and only has a 35% chance of finding any characteristics of it
08:10:24 <Mekkis> oh, and a purple worm has +25 to hit
08:11:40 <Steven> I would say theres a list of things you dont need +20 points in unless you got points to burn, appraise, climb, disguise, perform, craft, profession, swim
08:11:53 <Steven> prolly on the lower end of importance
08:11:59 <Mekkis> linguistics
08:12:11 <Mekkis> don't even get me started on Acrobatics
08:12:19 <Steven> me gusta acrobatics
08:12:33 <Mekkis> you need more than +20
08:12:35 <Avatar> acrobatics is probably another exception
08:12:40 <Mekkis> so
08:13:18 <Mekkis> exceptions are knowledges, perception, disable device, sense motive, diplomacy, bluff, ride and acrobatics?
08:13:38 <Steven> among any other your character specializes in
08:13:52 <Mekkis> roughly half of the existing skills
08:13:55 <Avatar> no, UMD, maybe stealth and probably acrobatics
08:14:10 <Mekkis> why UMD?
08:14:13 <Mekkis> for AMD?
08:14:27 <Avatar> UMD requires high checks
08:14:31 <Avatar> and it can be something you rely on
08:14:41 <Mekkis> so AMD
08:14:50 <Avatar> what is AMD
08:14:51 <Steven> highest UMD is what a 34 i believe
08:14:52 <Brunius> If you're relying on it that much then you've probably messed up somewhere
08:14:57 <Mekkis> Abuse Magic Device
08:14:58 <Steven> imma go check
08:15:02 <Brunius> Night guys
08:15:10 <Steven> night brunius
08:15:12 <Mekkis> Steven, when you're in AMD territory, there's no limit
08:15:22 <Avatar> I don't know what abuse magic device means
08:15:25 <Mekkis> I want to activate this staff, emulating a caster level of 50
08:15:34 <Mekkis> I think the DC's around 75 for that
08:15:35 <Mekkis> oh
08:15:46 <Mekkis> I also want to emulate an int of 50
08:15:50 <Steven> yeah 34 is highest UMD you would ever need without janking
08:15:52 <Mekkis> DC's also around 75
08:16:01 <Avatar> I'm not talking about that
08:16:06 <Avatar> I'm talking about non-abuse
08:16:12 <Mekkis> but my staff of Holy Word's going to kill you
08:16:28 <Avatar> well now you're just getting violent
08:16:48 <Steven> me gusta\
08:17:02 <Brunius> well, that escalated quickly
08:17:12 <Mekkis> what's DC34?
08:17:30 <Mekkis> activating a scroll of shapechange?
08:17:39 <Steven> decipher a written spell
08:17:45 <Steven> 25+spell level
08:18:41 <Mekkis> to get the 19 int you need for the scroll, it's UMD34
08:19:10 <Steven> almost like is worked out like that
08:20:18 <Mekkis> but as I said, you're moving into AMD territory
08:20:40 <Steven> meh, im okay with that
08:22:31 <Steven> with the Emulate an Ability Score thing didnt somebody at paizo put the stop to the UMD+staff thing
08:22:53 <Steven> i remember reading something about it somewhere
08:23:02 <Steven> but i dont remember the ruling
08:25:17 <Steven> woooooooooooooooot
08:25:22 <Steven> okay guys, goin to sleep
08:25:37 <Steven> no getting woken up today!
09:31:38 <Avatar> someone made a chess game that had less than 1k of source code
09:31:52 <Avatar> they posted the whole source code in a status update
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10:30:34 Topic for #d&d is: PFS:Wed 18th 5.30pm (first steps) / Sat 21st 1pm (tier 1-5,Avatar) / Sun 22nd 1pm (tier 1-5,Mekkis) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
10:30:34 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Jul 17 06:57:34 2012
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10:59:52 <Hydrazine> yo.
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13:18:56 <MekkisTablet> moin
13:23:00 <Avatar> yogs: if nobody accepts until 3 or 4 people have accepted, we'd never end up playing anything
13:23:17 <Avatar> you can play any scenario with 3 people
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13:31:35 <Sn0uu> Hey Avatar - thanks for getting a second game going (if enough people will come) before work my time :)
13:33:51 <Avatar> np
13:38:15 <Steven> avatar... why you so nice?
13:43:23 <Avatar> what do you mean
13:43:39 <Steven> bein nice to snouu you such a nice guy sometimes
13:43:45 <Avatar> I'm not nice
13:43:48 <Avatar> I'm mean and evil
13:43:56 <Steven> nope... not foolin
13:43:57 <Steven> me
13:44:03 <Avatar> grrrrr !
13:47:44 <MekkisTablet> look at how he treats synthesists
13:48:06 <Steven> hey sometimes you need some evil to kill off a greater evil
13:48:06 <MekkisTablet> look at what he did to lemurs!
13:48:10 <MekkisTablet> <?lemur
13:48:11 <diebot> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
13:48:21 <Steven> you act like thats a bad thing
13:48:46 <MekkisTablet> making lemurs extinct isn't a bad thing?
13:49:11 <Steven> survival of the fittest
13:49:28 <MekkisTablet> then what's wrong with synthesists?
13:51:52 <Avatar> they were born
13:52:08 <MekkisTablet> survival of the fittest, right?
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14:01:47 <Steven> yeah save that the GMs are the fittest of all
14:17:18 <Hydrazine> I don't think I like the attitude of gm vs players though.
14:52:17 <Steven> i dont have that attitude, i have the attitude of GM vs Synthesists
14:52:28 <Avatar> haha
15:09:20 <Sn0uu> who/what is synthesists?
15:09:50 <Steven> a douche character...
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15:26:30 <Avatar> you glancer arounderer
15:30:57 * kapow farts in Avatar's general direction
15:34:06 <BoomerET> Ewwww
15:34:35 <BoomerET> Hey, in case all ya'll didn't see. PFS scenarios are on sale for 25% off ($2.99 instead of $3.99)
15:34:46 <BoomerET> I just picked up all of season 2, now I only need 0 and 1.
15:36:06 <BoomerET> http://paizo.com/store/sale/paizo10thAnniversarySale
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15:47:43 <Sn0uu> ok
15:55:47 <Avatar> it's kind of like being 2 characters in 1
15:56:19 <Avatar> so you get about double the hp, double the attacks, instead of having 3 low stats and 3 high stats, you get 6 high stats
15:56:23 <Avatar> etc
15:56:48 <yogsolidis> summoners themselves are pretty tough
16:01:13 <yogsolidis> Sweet
16:01:16 <yogsolidis> Thanks for sharing :D
16:11:52 <BoomerET> Adventure Paths on sale as well.
16:17:35 <Avatar> are you serious
16:17:38 <Avatar> I bought a scenario just yesterday
16:19:47 <MekkisScreen> double the attacks?
16:25:26 <BoomerET> I bought all of season 3 last week.
16:26:04 <Avatar> why buy a whole season at once
16:26:53 <Avatar> if it's on sale that makes sense, but if it's not?
16:27:09 <yogsolidis> Essentially
16:27:26 <yogsolidis> Plus the eidolon is like a character in itself
16:27:37 <BoomerET> I'm just trying to fill my PDF collection.
16:28:00 <Avatar> for the sake of filling it? :P
16:28:06 <BoomerET> Yup
16:28:09 <Avatar> do you plan on GMing
16:28:25 <BoomerET> Possibly, but not anytime soon.
16:28:33 <BoomerET> ie, not in the next couple months.
16:29:07 <Avatar> only seasons 0-2 are on sale by the looks, not season 3
16:29:24 <BoomerET> Oh good, that makes me feel just a little better <smirk>
16:30:03 <Avatar> season 4 starts in a month
16:30:10 <Avatar> exciting times
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16:33:09 <Avatar> well, triple
16:33:16 <Avatar> I considered one has two weapon fighting I guess
16:33:36 <Avatar> I'm trying to put it in simple terms
16:42:01 <BoomerET> I'm hoping to get some more gaming in soon. Been stuck at 2xp for too long <grin>
16:55:22 <Avatar> are you coming on wednesday
16:58:00 <Avatar> hmmm, better or worse
17:01:38 <BoomerET> I can't make weekdays.
17:15:22 <Mekkis> I still don't see the multiple attacks
17:15:34 <Mekkis> more to the point, they essentially lose their spellcasting
17:19:09 <yogsolidis> Can you run first steps with 3 people?
17:19:16 <yogsolidis> Was gonna accept but only two other people have
17:19:33 <Steven> yes you can run first steps with 3 people
17:21:30 <Steven> sup sup
17:32:19 <Steven> 25point buy, Oread Cave Druid stats 16/14/16/10/16/8
17:35:48 <Sn0uu> 25 point buy? :)
17:36:37 <Sn0uu> night
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17:44:53 <Steven> or since i am a cave druid i think i should have a lower cha
17:45:11 <Steven> maybe a bit lower int too
17:52:24 <Avatar> bite claw claw = 3 attacks
17:52:42 <Avatar> how do synthesists lose their spellcasting
17:58:19 <yogsolidis> I think he is referring to this: The synthesist and eidolon cannot take separate actions. While fused with his eidolon, the synthesist can use all of his own abilities and gear, except for his armor.
18:00:00 <yogsolidis> Which means, the synthesist is gonna be using his natural attacks/weapon more than spellcasting
18:23:55 <Brunius> Mentlegen
19:55:53 <Brunius> !throw 1d1 connection
19:55:53 <diebot> Brunius, connection: [1d1=1] 1
19:57:22 <Steven> almost done building my character
20:48:23 <Steven> cant think of a feat for druid
20:59:53 <Hydrazine> yo.
21:06:32 <Mekkis> Steven, Andoran Falconry
22:33:26 <kapow> avatar whats the range increment of a bomb?
22:33:34 <Avatar> 10ft I think
22:34:09 <Avatar> I've got 20ft on my sheet, but that might assume I'm using my trait
22:34:25 <kapow> yeah it's 20ft
22:35:00 <kapow> what was the name of the trait for the extra 10ft thing?
22:35:07 <Avatar> I normally think any trait you pick is going to be useful sooner or later, but somehow I seem to have a knack for picking really bad traits
22:35:17 <Avatar> strong arm, supple wrist
22:36:12 <kapow> ty
22:57:15 <kapow> avatar can you link me to your pdf plz?
22:57:29 <kapow> or spreadsheet
23:13:49 <kapow> avatar do you know any traits that make bluff a class skill?
23:18:57 <MekkisTablet> moin
23:23:01 <Avatar> yogs: if nobody accepts until 3 or 4 people have accepted, we'd never end up playing anything
23:23:17 <Avatar> you can play any scenario with 3 people
23:30:46 <Alfwyn> "fast-talker" from APG
23:31:36 <Sn0uu> Hey Avatar - thanks for getting a second game going (if enough people will come) before work my time :)
23:33:52 <Avatar> np
23:34:03 <kapow> apg?
23:34:09 <kapow> advanced pathfinder guide?
23:34:12 <Alfwyn> advanced palyers guide
23:34:13 <kapow> what page number?
23:35:36 <Alfwyn> 330 (social traits)
23:38:16 <Steven> avatar... why you so nice?
23:42:02 <kapow> ty
23:43:24 <Avatar> what do you mean
23:43:40 <Steven> bein nice to snouu you such a nice guy sometimes
23:43:46 <Avatar> I'm not nice
23:43:49 <Avatar> I'm mean and evil
23:43:57 <Steven> nope... not foolin
23:43:58 <Steven> me
23:44:04 <Avatar> grrrrr !
23:47:45 <MekkisTablet> look at how he treats synthesists
23:48:07 <Steven> hey sometimes you need some evil to kill off a greater evil
23:48:07 <MekkisTablet> look at what he did to lemurs!
23:48:11 <MekkisTablet> <?lemur
23:48:11 <diebot> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
23:48:22 <Steven> you act like thats a bad thing
23:48:47 <MekkisTablet> making lemurs extinct isn't a bad thing?
23:49:12 <Steven> survival of the fittest
23:49:29 <MekkisTablet> then what's wrong with synthesists?
23:51:53 <Avatar> they were born
23:52:09 <MekkisTablet> survival of the fittest, right?
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