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33:24 <MekkisScreen> I don't mind ignorance because everybody starts off that way,
33:25 <MekkisScreen> including me. But desiring to remain ignorant and expecting to get
33:25 <MekkisScreen> anything useful done are mutually exclusive.  This is what I call
33:25 <MekkisScreen> stupidity, and I will not be bothered with it. - unknown monk
35:28 <Avatar> broom of flying says you can call it from "300 yards"
35:36 <Avatar> why wouldn't they just say from "900 feet"
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04:51 <Steven> sup sup
09:13 <Avatar> yo
09:51 <kapow> mooo!
09:59 <Avatar> oh crap, is it wednesday yet
10:07 <Brunius> it's monday
10:13 <Avatar> yes good
10:42 <kapow> lol
10:53 <kapow> avatar thats worse than me man
11:06 <kapow> i can understand thinking it was tuesday
11:06 <Avatar> I've been sleeping all day
11:12 <kapow> so have i oddly
11:14 <Avatar> I woke up this morning feeling like something was in my eye
11:23 <Avatar> really nagging the shit out of me
11:36 <Avatar> couldn't really see to do anything
11:51 <Avatar> feels like it's still there now, but not nearly as bad
15:52 <yogsolidis> Try putting your head in water and opening your eyes? Had that happen to me once. Annoying as hell.
16:22 <Steven> try being in a sandstorm... 
16:22 <Avatar> might try that
16:33 <Avatar> I'm not sure there is something actually in my eye
16:52 <Steven> eye drops?
17:06 <Avatar> yeah if it is still around tomorrow i'll get it looked at
17:35 <Avatar> I'm just glad I can keep my eyes open for the moment
18:19 <Steven> did storming the diamond gate tonight
18:37 <Avatar> good?
18:38 <Steven> so awesome!
18:59 <Steven> last boss... great tactics!
19:04 <kapow> Avatar I am making an Alchemist and something that can heal so we don't get all fighters again one game :S
19:36 <Avatar> I've got an alchemist I haven't played yet
20:00 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=379
20:32 <Steven> im hittin at 11 characters now
21:47 <yogsolidis> Question: Can you use the Advanced Races Guide in PFS right now?
21:57 <Steven> yes, if you own it
22:02 <yogsolidis> Sweet
22:03 <Steven> just like any book
22:10 <yogsolidis> I have a hard copy
22:38 <Steven> you need to check additional resources to make sure whatever you use is pfs legal
22:46 <yogsolidis> Kk.
22:59 <Avatar> is the advanced races guide out 
23:09 <Steven> yes avatar it is
23:10 <kapow> Avatar with the traits the 2 traits you can take on character creation does that include faction?
23:15 <Steven> came out the week before paizocon i believe
23:27 <Brunius> Of course it includes faction traits
23:39 <Steven> you can take any trait that is legal
23:58 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
25:34 <Avatar> looks like you can't take any different race unless you have the chronicle sheet for it, still
26:05 <Steven> exactly, it just expands character creation for standard races
26:09 <yogsolidis> Wasn't concerned with the other races
26:44 <yogsolidis> Primarily the perks/archtypes for the core races.
26:51 <kapow> no number wise steven
27:00 <kapow> you can only take so many traits at level 1
27:11 <kapow> and i wanted to know if faction counted because you have to take a faction
27:27 <Avatar> faction traits are made specifically for PFS characters
27:43 <kapow> yes i know avatar
27:44 <Brunius> Faction is a rp choice essentially
27:47 <Brunius> It's not a trait
27:49 <kapow> i am talking about a pfs cahracter
27:58 <kapow> no but you have faction traits
28:02 <Brunius> So?
28:06 <Brunius> They're traits like any other
28:37 <kapow> nvm cbf explaining
28:58 <Steven> you can get a maximum of 4 traits at level 1
29:00 <Avatar> not sure what you're trying to ask
29:11 <Avatar> how are you getting 4 traits
29:22 <Brunius> extra traits feat
29:25 <Brunius> probably
29:28 <kapow> gives you 2 more
29:30 <Steven> its a feat: Additional Traits
29:41 <kapow> and where do i find a list of combat traits?
29:54 <kapow> I've found religious faction and race traits
30:11 <Avatar> kapow: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ant1BdkLaMihdHZyNVN2aWhnWW5LRFp4SEhMMnRWVHc&hl=en_UK#gid=0
30:23 <Steven> if you search on google, nethys traits, theres a page that breaks them down by catigory
30:53 <Avatar> that spreadsheet breaks them down by category
31:04 <Steven> yeah, i dont like the spreadsheet
31:21 <Avatar> this one's got summaries without the flavour text getting in the way
31:44 <Steven> yeah
31:55 <Brunius> "Getting in the way"
32:21 <Avatar> when you're looking for benefits, it gets in the way
33:31 <Steven> everything gets in the way at one point or another lol
35:26 <Steven> took my step brother to pathfinder tonight
35:45 <Steven> some new girl came in, they were making eyes back and forth across the table tonight
36:03 <Steven> end of the night, step brother says NOTHING to her but goodnight
36:39 <Avatar> that reminds me steven
36:45 <Avatar> matt goodall was at our table yesterday
36:54 <Avatar> he was pretty cool, just sayin
37:00 <Steven> cool cool!
37:03 <Avatar> yeah it was cool
37:17 <Avatar> I felt positively euphoric in his presence
37:20 <Steven> i dunno who matt goodall is
37:31 <Avatar> he wrote wrath of the accursed and cult of the ebon destroyers
37:51 <Avatar> and I think he's writing another one 
38:29 <Steven> havent played either of those if memmory serves
38:58 <Avatar> wrath is 7-11, and cult is a 7-9 module
39:46 <Avatar> hey, opinions:
39:53 <Avatar> taking out a shield and readying it
39:56 <Avatar> is that a move action
39:59 <Avatar> or a move-move action
40:31 <kapow> rich parents lol XP so tempting but it's only 900gp vs a life time bonus
40:40 <Avatar> it's illegal
41:44 <Steven> i think its in the core what type of action it is to don a shield and thats a move
41:48 <Steven> i suppose it depends on where its kept
42:06 <Avatar> yeah but does that include taking out the shield
42:25 <Steven> in a bag it would be a move to retireve
42:35 <Avatar> well where do you usually keep it
42:48 <Steven> on salvanar is slug across his shoulder
43:17 <Steven> i look at it as the same as drawing a weapon
43:21 <Avatar> everyone would do it that way if it's going to be cheaper than a full round action, wouldn't they
43:41 <Steven> i dunno, my bard has a shield but its in a bag
43:53 <Steven> since i usually dont need one
44:11 <Steven> i dont see why anyone knowing they are going into danger would keep a shield in a bag
44:43 <Avatar> sometimes you don't know you're going into danger
44:55 <Steven> i dunno how you want to rule it, but ide rule it as a move to don if its readily available, a lot like drawing a weapon
45:18 <kapow> Adopted doesn't replace a racial trait?
45:34 <Steven> adopted allows you to pick another trait from another race
46:23 <Avatar> yeah adopted doesn't do what you think it does
46:35 <Avatar> you can't be an elf and get the human bonus feat racial trait
46:52 <Steven> its purely for a character trait
47:02 <Avatar> it means you can be an elf and take "fanatic" which is a trait restricted to humans
47:24 <Steven> yeah or be a dwarf and take the zealot gnome trait
47:37 <Avatar> if you take adopted, you can take the associated trait you want as well as one other, effectively having 3 traits
47:41 <Steven> stave off that evil dwarven bleaching lol
48:17 <Steven> be aware you can only have any one trait out of any trait tree
49:39 <Avatar> you can have 2 basic traits can't you
49:47 <kapow> i know what it meant i was asking if i take Adopted if i have a gnome trait as a gnome
49:55 <kapow> can i also take a trait from another race
50:19 <Avatar> yes
50:26 <Avatar> effectively having 3 traits
51:39 <Steven> im not aware of any 'basic' traits.
52:17 <Steven> oh gotcha i see what you mean
53:33 <Steven> the 'basic' traits are divided into combat, faith, magic, social
54:08 <Avatar> yeah
54:21 <Avatar> or is it you can't take 2 combat traits or 2 faith traits
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54:40 <Steven> exactly
54:51 <Steven> no 2 combat, ect
55:27 <Sn0uu> hey
57:17 <kapow> that spreadsheet doesn't say whats combat/magic/social
57:32 <Avatar> yeah I'm fixing that up now
58:00 <Ballig> it's by list
58:07 <Ballig> I don't think it's by category
58:41 <Ballig> it does specify that the traits in core are considered to be lists separated by their category, but otherwise I think it's by where you find them
00:19 <Avatar> what?
02:34 <Ballig> the categories are: basic, campaign, equipment, race, region and religion
06:59 <Steven> so, talking to walter tonight about the home brew
07:30 <Steven> he has made a creature that is both a dragon AND a swarm at one point we will be fighting
07:52 <Avatar> spoilerz
08:09 <Ballig> it's really a swarm of dragonflies
08:10 <Steven> YUP
08:11 <Ballig> and he is just fucking with you
08:36 <Steven> no, walter doesnt play around when he creates stuff
09:04 <Steven> its gonna be a sweeeeeeeeeeet combat
09:20 <Steven> i dont think we will end up fighting it till we are decent level
10:28 <Avatar> walter doesnt' mess around when he gives out spoilers to his own game
10:53 <Steven> yeah
11:54 <Steven> i seperate IC and OOC pretty well
12:04 <Avatar> that spreadsheet is updated to show what kind of basic trait each trait is
12:10 <Steven> so he doesnt mind tellin me stuffs
17:27 <Steven> i guess this player doesnt want a report because he cant write down his pathfinder number to where someone can read it
21:33 <Steven> think its time to play some tactics
31:57 <Steven> goin afk, gonna go cook something for my lady
34:50 <MekkisScreen> you can actually get 6 traits at level 1 :s
44:32 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure we were actually talking about how many you get by default, 2
44:35 <Avatar> not how many you can potentially get
48:59 <kapow> yeah how many get by default XP
49:27 <kapow> avatar seeing you made an alchemist did you look into anything to give bonuses to throwing flasks? other than weaponfocus bomb
55:06 <Mekkis> precise shot
57:39 <Avatar> yeah there's that trait
58:16 <Avatar> strong arm, supple wrist
58:26 <Avatar> that'll help with the range
58:42 <Avatar> point blank shot > precise shot are no brainers
59:07 <Brunius> There's some feats that specifically help splash weps I think
59:13 <kapow> yeah i was looking at the strong arm one
59:45 <Avatar> I really don't have much knowhow about building an alchemist bar what's on my sheet
59:57 <Avatar> I was trying to get anything put down, there's not much optimisation there
21:34 <Steven> pesto chicken
27:14 <Steven> because they are one and the same?
30:26 <Steven> yay finally the instructions all typed out for the home brew
30:37 <Steven> and balls be trippin!  i can be an oread
30:49 <Steven> Oread druid.... fo sho
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43:24 <Avatar> I reckon an immovable rod could make an excellent tool for a monk who makes dive-kicks 
45:13 <Mekkis> tomato, leek and mince
49:38 <CanadianSnow> i did not lol
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05:52 <Ballig> http://i.imgur.com/Zfb6P.jpg
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09:49 <Mekkis> what is that?
09:52 <Mekkis> glassblowing?
09:55 <Ballig> velcro
09:56 <Mekkis> 3d rendering?
12:14 <Mekkis> ah
15:36 <Mekkis> is there some OH&S regulation governing how bright a workplace should be?
18:20 <Avatar> do you think it's too dark or too bright
18:52 <Mekkis> yes
19:05 <Ballig> it wouldn't be a regulation, but there might be guidance in a code of practice
19:28 <Avatar> no I mean is it too dark, or it is too bright? which one?
19:32 <Ballig> part 2.6 of the Managing the Work Environment and Facilities code of practice is about lighting
20:18 <Ballig> Mekkis: http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/AboutSafeWorkAustralia/WhatWeDo/Publications/Documents/626/Managing_the_Work_Environment_and_Facilities.pdf
20:18 <Ballig> page 11
20:28 <Ballig> with a table on page 12
20:32 <Mekkis> it's too bright
20:38 <Brunius> Is there anything about temperature
20:57 <Ballig> Brunius: yeah, part 2.8 of that same code of practice
21:05 <Ballig> page 14
21:18 <Avatar> I remember working in the dark once when someone turned the lights off on me not realising I was still in the office, it was brilliant
21:26 <Ballig> it tends to only deal with extreme heat and cold
21:41 <Ballig> but does say that optimum confort is beween 20 and 26 celsius
22:03 <Ballig> confort/comfort
23:28 <Ballig> codes of practice don't have to be followed to the letter, but if an employer doesn't do something "as good or better" than what's in a code of practice, they can be in breach of the WHS legislation
23:42 <Ballig> a code of practice is admissible in court as something the employer ought to have known
25:15 <Avatar> does that apply to schools as well
25:35 <Ballig> with the new legislation, that could be argued
25:41 <Ballig> a school is a workplace
25:56 <Ballig> I do remember that when I was in school we didn't have air conditioning and it could get very hot
29:53 <Ballig> Mekkis: can you  measure the lux of your workplace?
31:34 <Mekkis> not sure
31:53 <Ballig> the recommended illumination for routine office tasks is 320 lux
39:47 <Avatar> should have complained about the heat in qld ages ago
39:57 <Avatar> long before they apparently put aircons in them
40:12 <Ballig> schools?
40:13 <kapow> it's cold here atm
40:15 <Avatar> yeah
40:21 <Ballig> yeah, I went to school in queensland
40:22 <Mekkis> heh
40:25 <Ballig> what the fuck was up with no air con
40:33 <Avatar> useless fans
40:57 <Ballig> we didn't have fans
40:58 <Sn0uu> Hydra
41:05 <Sn0uu> check ur league?
41:05 <Ballig> you must have gone to a rich school
41:12 <Avatar> haha
41:18 <Avatar> how could you not have fans
41:32 <Avatar> I went to a public school one year, they had fans
41:39 <kapow> I had aircon
41:46 <kapow> after grad 7
41:54 <Avatar> fu
41:58 <kapow> so 8 years ago
41:59 <Ballig> are you under 22
42:02 <kapow> i'm 21
42:04 <Mekkis> you went to a rich school
42:07 <Avatar> man
42:08 <Avatar> that explains a lot
42:12 <Ballig> he went to a school recently
42:13 <Ballig> haha :p
42:42 <Brunius> I went to a school recently
42:45 <Brunius> 5 hours ago
42:51 <Avatar> did it have aircon
42:54 <Brunius> Yep
42:56 <Avatar> fu
43:00 <Ballig> yeah fu
43:23 <Brunius> most of the primary school didn't though
43:23 <Ballig> you probably have more than one computer in the library too
43:35 <Brunius> Yeah we have like 50 in the library
43:40 <Brunius> +~25 netbooks
02:23 <Hydrazine> oh, sorry. kinda busy right now.
10:18 <Brunius> I think it's probably just laziness on my part
10:18 <Mekkis> 1-5
10:18 <Avatar> 1-5 yeah?
10:45 <Avatar> sunday 22nd or 29th?
10:51 <Mekkis> 22nd
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02:19 <Brunius> Christ, even a reinstall won't fix this.
02:26 <Brunius> Now I know it's screwed
18:25 <Mekkis> what did you do?
37:17 <Avatar> what.....did.....you.....do...?!
41:59 <MekkisScreen> !define global add lemur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
42:08 <MekkisScreen> ??!define
42:34 <MekkisScreen> !define global lemur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
42:35 <diebot> MekkisScreen, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901 defined as ??lemur
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54:53 <Mekkis> http://www.adityaravishankar.com/projects/games/command-and-conquer/
06:57 <Avatar> is C&C open source
17:54 <Mekkis> no
19:03 <Mekkis> ea doesn't open source
19:17 <Mekkis> (it is, however, free now)
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55:43 <Sn0uu> hey
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42:48 <MekkisScreen> hey
35:28 <Avatar> broom of flying says you can call it from "300 yards"
35:37 <Avatar> why wouldn't they just say from "900 feet"
53:12 <Hydrazine> yo
36:09 <MekkisScreen> work work work
37:33 <MekkisScreen> I should build a cleric
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55:28 <Sn0uu> hey
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27:14 <Steven> because they are one and the same?
30:27 <Steven> yay finally the instructions all typed out for the home brew
30:38 <Steven> and balls be trippin!  i can be an oread
30:50 <Steven> Oread druid.... fo sho
33:23 <MekkisScreen> I don't mind ignorance because everybody starts off that way,
33:24 <MekkisScreen> including me. But desiring to remain ignorant and expecting to get
33:24 <MekkisScreen> anything useful done are mutually exclusive.  This is what I call
33:25 <MekkisScreen> stupidity, and I will not be bothered with it. - unknown monk
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49:38 <CanadianSnow> i did not lol
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40:58 <Sn0uu> Hydra
41:06 <Sn0uu> check ur league?
45:55 Avatar gives channel operator status to Ballig
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02:24 <Hydrazine> oh, sorry. kinda busy right now.
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04:50 <Steven> sup sup
09:12 <Avatar> yo
09:50 <kapow> mooo!
09:59 <Avatar> oh crap, is it wednesday yet
10:07 <Brunius> it's monday
10:13 <Avatar> yes good
10:41 <kapow> lol
10:52 <kapow> avatar thats worse than me man
11:05 <kapow> i can understand thinking it was tuesday
11:05 <Avatar> I've been sleeping all day
11:11 <kapow> so have i oddly
11:13 <Avatar> I woke up this morning feeling like something was in my eye
11:22 <Avatar> really nagging the shit out of me
11:35 <Avatar> couldn't really see to do anything
11:51 <Avatar> feels like it's still there now, but not nearly as bad
15:51 <yogsolidis> Try putting your head in water and opening your eyes? Had that happen to me once. Annoying as hell.
16:21 <Steven> try being in a sandstorm... 
16:22 <Avatar> might try that
16:32 <Avatar> I'm not sure there is something actually in my eye
16:52 <Steven> eye drops?
17:05 <Avatar> yeah if it is still around tomorrow i'll get it looked at
17:34 <Avatar> I'm just glad I can keep my eyes open for the moment
18:18 <Steven> did storming the diamond gate tonight
18:36 <Avatar> good?
18:37 <Steven> so awesome!
18:58 <Steven> last boss... great tactics!
19:03 <kapow> Avatar I am making an Alchemist and something that can heal so we don't get all fighters again one game :S
19:36 <Avatar> I've got an alchemist I haven't played yet
19:59 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=379
20:32 <Steven> im hittin at 11 characters now
21:46 <yogsolidis> Question: Can you use the Advanced Races Guide in PFS right now?
21:56 <Steven> yes, if you own it
22:01 <yogsolidis> Sweet
22:02 <Steven> just like any book
22:10 <yogsolidis> I have a hard copy
22:37 <Steven> you need to check additional resources to make sure whatever you use is pfs legal
22:45 <yogsolidis> Kk.
22:58 <Avatar> is the advanced races guide out 
23:09 <Steven> yes avatar it is
23:09 <kapow> Avatar with the traits the 2 traits you can take on character creation does that include faction?
23:15 <Steven> came out the week before paizocon i believe
23:27 <Brunius> Of course it includes faction traits
23:39 <Steven> you can take any trait that is legal
23:57 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/about/additionalResources
25:33 <Avatar> looks like you can't take any different race unless you have the chronicle sheet for it, still
26:04 <Steven> exactly, it just expands character creation for standard races
26:09 <yogsolidis> Wasn't concerned with the other races
26:43 <yogsolidis> Primarily the perks/archtypes for the core races.
26:51 <kapow> no number wise steven
27:00 <kapow> you can only take so many traits at level 1
27:11 <kapow> and i wanted to know if faction counted because you have to take a faction
27:26 <Avatar> faction traits are made specifically for PFS characters
27:42 <kapow> yes i know avatar
27:44 <Brunius> Faction is a rp choice essentially
27:47 <Brunius> It's not a trait
27:49 <kapow> i am talking about a pfs cahracter
27:57 <kapow> no but you have faction traits
28:01 <Brunius> So?
28:05 <Brunius> They're traits like any other
28:37 <kapow> nvm cbf explaining
28:57 <Steven> you can get a maximum of 4 traits at level 1
28:59 <Avatar> not sure what you're trying to ask
29:10 <Avatar> how are you getting 4 traits
29:21 <Brunius> extra traits feat
29:25 <Brunius> probably
29:27 <kapow> gives you 2 more
29:29 <Steven> its a feat: Additional Traits
29:41 <kapow> and where do i find a list of combat traits?
29:53 <kapow> I've found religious faction and race traits
30:10 <Avatar> kapow: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ant1BdkLaMihdHZyNVN2aWhnWW5LRFp4SEhMMnRWVHc&hl=en_UK#gid=0
30:22 <Steven> if you search on google, nethys traits, theres a page that breaks them down by catigory
30:52 <Avatar> that spreadsheet breaks them down by category
31:03 <Steven> yeah, i dont like the spreadsheet
31:20 <Avatar> this one's got summaries without the flavour text getting in the way
31:44 <Steven> yeah
31:54 <Brunius> "Getting in the way"
32:21 <Avatar> when you're looking for benefits, it gets in the way
33:30 <Steven> everything gets in the way at one point or another lol
35:25 <Steven> took my step brother to pathfinder tonight
35:45 <Steven> some new girl came in, they were making eyes back and forth across the table tonight
36:03 <Steven> end of the night, step brother says NOTHING to her but goodnight
36:38 <Avatar> that reminds me steven
36:44 <Avatar> matt goodall was at our table yesterday
36:53 <Avatar> he was pretty cool, just sayin
36:59 <Steven> cool cool!
37:02 <Avatar> yeah it was cool
37:16 <Avatar> I felt positively euphoric in his presence
37:19 <Steven> i dunno who matt goodall is
37:31 <Avatar> he wrote wrath of the accursed and cult of the ebon destroyers
37:50 <Avatar> and I think he's writing another one 
38:28 <Steven> havent played either of those if memmory serves
38:57 <Avatar> wrath is 7-11, and cult is a 7-9 module
39:46 <Avatar> hey, opinions:
39:52 <Avatar> taking out a shield and readying it
39:55 <Avatar> is that a move action
39:58 <Avatar> or a move-move action
40:30 <kapow> rich parents lol XP so tempting but it's only 900gp vs a life time bonus
40:39 <Avatar> it's illegal
41:43 <Steven> i think its in the core what type of action it is to don a shield and thats a move
41:48 <Steven> i suppose it depends on where its kept
42:06 <Avatar> yeah but does that include taking out the shield
42:24 <Steven> in a bag it would be a move to retireve
42:34 <Avatar> well where do you usually keep it
42:47 <Steven> on salvanar is slug across his shoulder
43:17 <Steven> i look at it as the same as drawing a weapon
43:21 <Avatar> everyone would do it that way if it's going to be cheaper than a full round action, wouldn't they
43:41 <Steven> i dunno, my bard has a shield but its in a bag
43:52 <Steven> since i usually dont need one
44:11 <Steven> i dont see why anyone knowing they are going into danger would keep a shield in a bag
44:43 <Avatar> sometimes you don't know you're going into danger
44:54 <Steven> i dunno how you want to rule it, but ide rule it as a move to don if its readily available, a lot like drawing a weapon
45:17 <kapow> Adopted doesn't replace a racial trait?
45:33 <Steven> adopted allows you to pick another trait from another race
46:22 <Avatar> yeah adopted doesn't do what you think it does
46:34 <Avatar> you can't be an elf and get the human bonus feat racial trait
46:51 <Steven> its purely for a character trait
47:01 <Avatar> it means you can be an elf and take "fanatic" which is a trait restricted to humans
47:23 <Steven> yeah or be a dwarf and take the zealot gnome trait
47:36 <Avatar> if you take adopted, you can take the associated trait you want as well as one other, effectively having 3 traits
47:40 <Steven> stave off that evil dwarven bleaching lol
48:16 <Steven> be aware you can only have any one trait out of any trait tree
49:38 <Avatar> you can have 2 basic traits can't you
49:46 <kapow> i know what it meant i was asking if i take Adopted if i have a gnome trait as a gnome
49:54 <kapow> can i also take a trait from another race
50:18 <Avatar> yes
50:25 <Avatar> effectively having 3 traits
51:38 <Steven> im not aware of any 'basic' traits.
52:17 <Steven> oh gotcha i see what you mean
53:33 <Steven> the 'basic' traits are divided into combat, faith, magic, social
54:08 <Avatar> yeah
54:20 <Avatar> or is it you can't take 2 combat traits or 2 faith traits
54:39 <Steven> exactly
54:50 <Steven> no 2 combat, ect
57:17 <kapow> that spreadsheet doesn't say whats combat/magic/social
57:31 <Avatar> yeah I'm fixing that up now
58:00 <Ballig> it's by list
58:06 <Ballig> I don't think it's by category
58:12 * Ballig removes channel operator status from Ballig
58:40 <Ballig> it does specify that the traits in core are considered to be lists separated by their category, but otherwise I think it's by where you find them
00:18 <Avatar> what?
02:33 <Ballig> the categories are: basic, campaign, equipment, race, region and religion
06:59 <Steven> so, talking to walter tonight about the home brew
07:30 <Steven> he has made a creature that is both a dragon AND a swarm at one point we will be fighting
07:51 <Avatar> spoilerz
08:08 <Ballig> it's really a swarm of dragonflies
08:09 <Steven> YUP
08:11 <Ballig> and he is just fucking with you
08:35 <Steven> no, walter doesnt play around when he creates stuff
09:03 <Steven> its gonna be a sweeeeeeeeeeet combat
09:19 <Steven> i dont think we will end up fighting it till we are decent level
10:27 <Avatar> walter doesnt' mess around when he gives out spoilers to his own game
10:52 <Steven> yeah
11:53 <Steven> i seperate IC and OOC pretty well
12:03 <Avatar> that spreadsheet is updated to show what kind of basic trait each trait is
12:09 <Steven> so he doesnt mind tellin me stuffs
17:26 <Steven> i guess this player doesnt want a report because he cant write down his pathfinder number to where someone can read it
21:32 <Steven> think its time to play some tactics
31:56 <Steven> goin afk, gonna go cook something for my lady
34:49 <MekkisScreen> you can actually get 6 traits at level 1 :s
42:00 <MekkisScreen> !define global add lemur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
42:09 <MekkisScreen> ??!define
42:35 <MekkisScreen> !define global lemur: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901
42:35 <diebot> MekkisScreen, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18825901 defined as ??lemur
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55:05 <Mekkis> precise shot
57:42 <Avatar> yeah there's that trait
58:17 <Avatar> strong arm, supple wrist
58:25 <Avatar> that'll help with the range
58:42 <Avatar> point blank shot > precise shot are no brainers
59:24 <Brunius> There's some feats that specifically help splash weps I think
59:24 <kapow> yeah i was looking at the strong arm one
59:47 <Avatar> I really don't have much knowhow about building an alchemist bar what's on my sheet
59:58 <Avatar> I was trying to get anything put down, there's not much optimisation there
22:11 <Steven> pesto chicken
43:32 <Avatar> I reckon an immovable rod could make an excellent tool for a monk who makes dive-kicks 
45:11 <Mekkis> tomato, leek and mince
55:44 <Sn0uu> hey
05:52 <Ballig> http://i.imgur.com/Zfb6P.jpg
09:48 <Mekkis> what is that?
09:51 <Mekkis> glassblowing?
09:54 <Mekkis> 3d rendering?
10:05 <Ballig> velcro
12:13 <Mekkis> ah
15:35 <Mekkis> is there some OH&S regulation governing how bright a workplace should be?
18:23 <Avatar> do you think it's too dark or too bright
18:51 <Mekkis> yes
19:10 <Ballig> it wouldn't be a regulation, but there might be guidance in a code of practice
20:19 <Avatar> no I mean is it too dark, or it is too bright? which one?
20:25 <Ballig> part 2.6 of the Managing the Work Environment and Facilities code of practice is about lighting
20:25 <Ballig> Mekkis: http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/SWA/AboutSafeWorkAustralia/WhatWeDo/Publications/Documents/626/Managing_the_Work_Environment_and_Facilities.pdf
20:25 <Ballig> page 11
20:30 <Mekkis> it's too bright
29:22 <Ballig> with a table on page 12
29:22 <Brunius> Is there anything about temperature
29:22 <Ballig> Brunius: yeah, part 2.8 of that same code of practice
29:22 <Ballig> page 14
29:22 <Avatar> I remember working in the dark once when someone turned the lights off on me not realising I was still in the office, it was brilliant
29:22 <Ballig> it tends to only deal with extreme heat and cold
29:22 <Ballig> but does say that optimum confort is beween 20 and 26 celsius
29:22 <Ballig> confort/comfort
29:22 <Ballig> codes of practice don't have to be followed to the letter, but if an employer doesn't do something "as good or better" than what's in a code of practice, they can be in breach of the WHS legislation
29:22 <Ballig> a code of practice is admissible in court as something the employer ought to have known
29:22 <Avatar> does that apply to schools as well
29:22 <Ballig> with the new legislation, that could be argued
29:22 <Ballig> a school is a workplace
29:22 <Ballig> I do remember that when I was in school we didn't have air conditioning and it could get very hot
29:57 <Ballig> Mekkis: can you  measure the lux of your workplace?
31:33 <Mekkis> not sure
31:57 <Ballig> the recommended illumination for routine office tasks is 320 lux
39:56 <Avatar> should have complained about the heat in qld ages ago
40:05 <Avatar> long before they apparently put aircons in them
40:19 <Ballig> schools?
40:19 <kapow> it's cold here atm
40:19 <Avatar> yeah
40:21 <Mekkis> heh
40:28 <Ballig> yeah, I went to school in queensland
40:29 <Ballig> what the fuck was up with no air con
40:35 <Avatar> useless fans
40:59 <Ballig> we didn't have fans
41:23 <Ballig> you must have gone to a rich school
41:24 <Avatar> haha
41:24 <Avatar> how could you not have fans
41:48 <Avatar> I went to a public school one year, they had fans
41:48 <kapow> I had aircon
41:48 <kapow> after grad 7
42:03 <Mekkis> you went to a rich school
42:49 <MekkisScreen> hey
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44:07 <kapow> ipads too for class?
44:09 <Ballig> I remember in primary school we had to sign books out of the library using cards
44:20 <Brunius> no ipads
44:23 <Avatar> using pencils
44:28 <kapow> we had to do that in highschool
44:34 <Brunius> the computers is mainly cos kevin rudd was like "hey everyone can haz computers!"
44:34 <Ballig> and we had to check index cards to find a book
44:38 <Ballig> in a filing cabinet
44:43 <kapow> my school now every kid has an ipad from grade 10 up
44:49 <Brunius> fu
44:59 <Avatar> f apple
45:11 <Mekkis> Brunius, not exactly: more like "We need to spend money to stay out of recession, and it doesn't really matter how we do it"
45:17 <Mekkis> f apple
45:44 <Brunius> it was rationalised to us as because kevin rudd promised computers
45:47 <Brunius> I'm not sure of the motivations
46:16 <kapow> they don't get to keep them ^_^ and they are limited
47:00 <Ballig> at least they aren't filing cabinets filled with index cards
47:07 <Ballig> index cards, man. I grew up in the stone age
47:34 <kapow> our school still keeps paper records of everything
47:40 <Brunius> what the hell is an index card
47:51 <Ballig> a card for indexing something
47:57 <Brunius> oh, really?
47:59 <kapow> haha
48:01 <kapow> oh ballig
48:19 <Ballig> http://history.denverlibrary.org/assets/news/april08/apr7.jpg
48:22 <Ballig> a cabinet filled with those kinds of things
48:42 <Ballig> with all the books or book categories written on them
48:46 <Ballig> so you know where to find them
48:57 <Mekkis> you didn't know that?
49:19 <Mekkis> I learnt to type on a nonelectric typewriter
49:41 <Avatar> how does a nonelectric typewriter work
49:56 <Ballig> levers
49:57 <Mekkis> you have a carriage
50:00 <Ballig> and plates
50:10 <Ballig> and a ribbon
50:11 <Avatar> I somehow just magically realised I could touchtype one day
50:12 <Ballig> ink ribbon
50:13 <Mekkis> it's forced to the right with strings
50:16 <Brunius> Nice
50:22 <Mekkis> springs pulling it towards the left
50:29 <Ballig> that was the first thing I typed on too
50:30 <Avatar> I was two finger typing and they wanted us to learn to touchtype
50:40 <Brunius> QWERTY is actually set up to put the most commonly used letters further away from each other, so they don't jam on a typewriter.
50:50 <Avatar> so I just made myself put my fingers back where they were meant to be and they'd know what to do
51:00 <kapow> <-- Mavis Becon touchtyping tutor childhood
51:01 <Avatar> immediately doing 90wpm wasn't hard
51:14 <Mekkis> each time you press a key (hard), the typeface hits a ribbon, onto the paper, then as they key returns, the carriage moves once character to the left
51:29 <Avatar> check it out
51:51 <Mekkis> when you finish a line, you get a Ding from the bell, then you pull a lever to perform a carriage return, linefeed
52:22 <Mekkis> (ever wondered why it's \r\n to get a newline in windows (and when dealing with embedded stuff))?
52:41 <Avatar> I've never heard of \r\n in windows
52:53 <Mekkis> open a text file in a hex editor
52:55 <Ballig> it's an escape sequence for a new line of text
53:00 <Avatar> let alone wondered about it :P
53:13 <Mekkis> you should see 0A0D at the end of each line
53:16 <Ballig> it's \n\r on other systems
53:20 <Mekkis> nope
53:28 <Mekkis> it's just \n on linux/unix
53:38 <Mekkis> on pre-osx mac it was just \r
53:39 <Ballig> I've seen \n\r before
53:54 <Mekkis> possibly embedded
55:08 <Ballig> it might have been telnet
55:28 <Ballig> I taught myself to program by pulling a MUD apart
55:33 <Mekkis> that could be the case: strictly speaking, it doesn't really matter what order they are in
57:10 <Avatar> do weapon cords take up a wrist slot
57:18 <Ballig> they aren't magic
57:26 <Avatar> it's only magic items that take up slots isn't it
57:28 <Brunius> Nope
57:33 <Ballig> I believe so
57:34 <Brunius> They don't take up a slot
57:34 <Mekkis> almost
57:40 <Mekkis> armour takes up a slot
57:45 <Avatar> what's the exception/s
57:57 <Mekkis> I think that's it
58:22 <Mekkis> there was some talk that a ring used as a focus for Shield Other also takes up a slot
58:29 <Mekkis> but it was inconclusive
01:58 <Steven> the shield other thread was about giving shield other to an animal companion
02:17 <Mekkis> yes, but I'm good at drawing implications
02:39 <Brunius> You mean implying what wasn't intended.
02:47 <Mekkis> no
05:39 <Steven> hmmmmmmmm do i want to invest time into finding an answer for a spell i never use
05:52 <Mekkis> no
06:14 <Avatar> what do you mean finding an answer for a spell
06:22 <Avatar> is it asking you something
09:13 <Steven> how crazy was that forum post mekkis?
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11:11 <Steven> i thought to provide resonence a stone couldnt be cracked or fractured
11:19 <Mekkis> not resonance
11:30 <Mekkis>    Gamboge nodule: This stone grants immunity to one kind of poison, such as arsenic or scorpion venom. Price: 1,500 gp.
12:08 <Steven> nope
12:16 <Mekkis> why not?
12:34 <Steven> theres no poison called Cloud kill poison
12:51 <Mekkis> hmmmm
13:00 <Mekkis> isn't there?
13:24 <Steven> nope, theres a spell called cloud kill
13:36 <Steven> and it doesnt specify what poison is used to make the cloud poisonous
13:37 <Avatar> I almost considered buying a periapt of proof against poison
13:40 <Avatar> then I saw the price
13:51 <Mekkis> how much?
13:58 <Avatar> like 27K
14:03 <Mekkis> ugh
14:12 <Avatar> I'd rather get poisoned
14:28 <Steven> yeah its crazy
15:15 <Mekkis> anyone got an aasimar they're willing to trade for an undine?
15:39 <Avatar> where did you get an undine
15:39 <Mekkis> or, say, a free vanity?
15:49 <Mekkis> paizocon
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17:36 <Steven> you were at paizocon?
17:45 <Mekkis> paizoconoz
18:01 <Steven> ah
18:11 <Avatar> I'm actually planning a visit to brisbane soon
18:16 <Avatar> I didn't think to come when paizocon was on
18:36 <Steven> did they do the grand convocation mek?
19:29 <Mekkis> nope: it was last year
19:37 <Steven> oh... sad panda
19:40 <Mekkis> also, it was the same weekend as GP Brisbane
19:54 <Steven> sadly i dont think i need an undine
19:56 <Mekkis> so I couldn't go all days: I got my L2 though
20:25 <Mekkis> (fyi: the L1 test was harder than the L2 test)
20:45 <Steven> I wouldnt know
20:54 <Steven> i keep declining to take the tests
21:25 <Mekkis> mainly because I did the L1 test before they dumbed it down
21:40 <Mekkis> :S
21:46 <Steven> which is dumb if you ask me
22:02 <Steven> why do you want dumber people to be a judge?
22:22 <Mekkis> I don't
22:24 <Steven> boggles the mind!
22:25 <Mekkis> Wizards does
22:43 <Avatar> undine would make a good gunslinger
22:53 <Steven> well wotc... dumb all around
22:56 <Mekkis> the fact that there are like, 4 L2s in Brisbane, and only one is certifying, we are pretty stringent
23:04 <Mekkis> just because you can pass the test doesn't make you a judge
23:12 <Avatar> nevermind they are water people
23:32 <Steven> water people like blowing things up too avatar!
24:05 <Avatar> guns don't mix well with water
24:23 <Steven> air bubble?
24:39 <Steven> i was GMing a game tonight
25:01 <Mekkis> how many did you kill
25:01 <Mekkis> ?
25:07 <Steven> we had an enlarged gunslinger, a synthesist, a regular summoner
25:08 <Steven> just one
25:10 <Steven> the magus
25:21 <Steven> it was like douche.party
25:21 <Mekkis> an enlarged gunslinger?
25:23 <Mekkis> tell me more
25:27 <Steven> yeah
25:51 <Mekkis> what level?
25:57 <Steven> level 3
26:09 <Steven> to like level 4
26:31 <Steven> average party level at the table after adding 1 due to more people showing up
26:31 <Avatar> should've banned the synthesist at least
26:37 <Steven> was 4.8
26:51 <Mekkis> what was the eidolon
26:54 <Steven> they elected to play up
27:00 <Mekkis> 6-7?
27:06 <Steven> YUP
27:18 <Mekkis> what was the eidolon?
27:31 <Avatar> any deaths?
27:33 <Steven> one eidolon was a lamia(snake type thing)
27:40 <Steven> and the other was some.... thing
28:05 <Mekkis> ?
28:06 <Steven> he started throwing verbage out at me while descibing his character and i checked out
28:13 <Mekkis> ah
28:29 <Steven> he went on for like 2 minutes describing it, and so i went and did some book keeping for the game
28:37 <Steven> he told me everything i needed to know
29:11 <Mekkis> I'm imagining the lamia was not the synthesist
29:23 <Mekkis> I've only DMed one synthesist
29:28 <Mekkis> it was... funny
29:32 <Steven> Hi my name is Dildo, im playing a Synthesist, im going to douche the game....
29:59 <Steven> yeah, a summoner, a sythesist, a magus, and a gunslinger, plus two premades
30:03 <Mekkis> first encounter dismissed the synthesist!
30:18 <Steven> oh and a monk
30:23 <Mekkis> table of 7
30:24 <Mekkis> yuck
30:31 <Steven> who had an AC at level 3 of 33
30:32 <Avatar> if only more mobs had dismissal
30:38 <Steven> touch ac of 26
30:56 <Mekkis> not dismissal
31:09 <Mekkis> it was more "did enough damage"
31:16 <Avatar> oh
31:25 <Mekkis> in the surprise round
31:59 <Steven> i killed the one lamia eidolon
32:07 <Avatar> undines do seem pretty decent
32:11 <Avatar> probably comparable to aasimars
32:15 <Steven> and the magus with one well placed fireball
32:19 <Mekkis> want to trade?
32:26 <Mekkis> what scenario?
32:40 <Steven> storming the diamond gates
32:41 <Avatar> my aasimar is level 3 now
32:46 <Mekkis> oh
32:49 <Mekkis> haven't played it
33:01 <Steven> I could have party wiped them if not for the very specific tactics of an earlier fight
33:13 <Mekkis> I bet that we'll encounter a Sheila Heidmarch next season
33:22 <Avatar> the stats of an aasimar are a bit funky with the wis/cha even though there's no penalty, because they're only compatible with a cleric and no other class
33:34 <Avatar> or maybe inquisitor?
33:38 <Mekkis> oracle?
33:52 <Avatar> yeah maybe oracle
34:01 <Steven> druid, oracle, inquisitor, bard
34:02 <Avatar> do inquisitors use both wis and cha
34:12 <Avatar> druids don't use cha, bards don't use wis
34:18 <Avatar> they're semi-compatible
34:27 <Mekkis> druids use cha for wild empathy
34:27 <Steven> saves are always compatible
34:39 <Steven> and to push their pets
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34:47 <Avatar> those are good for any class
34:49 <Avatar> I'm talking more class abilities
34:54 <Mekkis> wild empathy
35:01 <Steven> well inquisitors love those cha skills
35:06 <Avatar> I don't know I've ever seen wild empathy being used
35:17 <Avatar> oh I lie, once
35:17 <Steven> its basically diplomacy for animals
35:20 <Mekkis> Jäsim used it!
35:25 <Avatar> yeah
35:36 <Avatar> and granted, that was life-saving
35:37 <Steven> ive seen it used on a shadow mastiff
35:40 <Mekkis> yeah
35:42 <Mekkis> nat 20
35:52 <Avatar> compare it to a cleric who uses cha for channelling and wis for spells though
36:11 <Mekkis> I'll give you that
36:35 <Avatar> there would be a lot of classes who can make use of the undine's +dex +wis -str though
36:44 <Avatar> the rest of the attributes are pretty similar
36:44 <Steven> well they make amazing clerics and decent whatever else that is divine caster
36:58 <Avatar> yeah
37:01 <Mekkis> I don't like the medium size -str
37:09 <Avatar> I already had a cleric and didn't want to roll up another
37:12 <Steven> I like what they did with the tieflings personally, 
37:17 <Steven> with the whole heritage thing
37:35 <Mekkis> if I want a str penalty, I want it to be balance with con, charisma and a gnomish profile
37:48 <Avatar> have they already given away tiefling chronicle sheets?
37:52 <Mekkis> yeah
37:54 <Mekkis> I have one
37:57 <Steven> ahhhhhhh yeah mek
38:00 <Steven> yeah i have a tiefling
38:09 <Mekkis> well... about 80% of one
38:35 <Avatar> they should give away more of these races
38:59 <Steven> yeah im waitin for a strix boon
39:02 <Steven> ready...... go
39:04 <Avatar> even if everyone had one, it would only be applicable to one of their characters, so it's pretty likely there'd still be a core-race majority
39:05 <Mekkis> they should give me the ability to rebuild Nightmare
39:29 <Avatar> if they gave it to half the people who played, there's even less reason to worry about it
39:54 <Steven> i dunno, i rather like how they are handling the boons
39:54 <Mekkis> TBH, Avatar, I'm likely to ditch Nightmare
40:05 <Avatar> why
40:11 <Steven> the racial boons anyways
40:29 <Mekkis> because I built him wrong, and the concept doesn't seem realisable
40:46 <Steven> whats nightmare? your summoner?
40:46 <Avatar> I'm kind of worried my archaeologist will turn out like that
40:47 <Brunius> I've been to what, four convetions?
40:51 <Mekkis> yeah
40:53 <Brunius> conventions even
40:54 <Mekkis> my synthesist
40:58 <Brunius> zero boons
41:00 <Avatar> I need more feats and I don't want to touch fighter
41:03 <Brunius> Of any variety
41:18 <Brunius> I wouldn't be opposed to a different method of dispersing them
41:38 <Steven> have they been paizo backed or was the focus on other games and people just happened to set up some paizo tables?
41:53 <Steven> i think theres a 15 table minimum for a con to qualify for paizo boons
42:18 <Avatar> throughout the event? or any given day?
42:32 <Mekkis> throughout the evenyt
42:34 <Avatar> cause we usually have 4 tables per day
42:37 <Steven> throughout the event, but i could be wrong, ill ask walter when i see him on wednesday
42:47 <Avatar> actually I lie, 8 tables
42:51 <Avatar> two games
43:02 <Mekkis> that being said, we gave out boons at a con with three tables
43:11 <Mekkis> a good boon, too
43:19 <Mekkis> Keen Senses or whatever
43:27 <Mekkis> +2 to all perception checks
43:29 <Steven> as i said, i could be wrong, I'm sure theres guidelines somewhere you could look up
43:42 <Steven> yeah, melissa got one like that
43:44 <Mekkis> Australian Standards
44:54 <Mekkis> I still have a bunch of them in my folder. Remind me to shred them
46:44 <Mekkis> Avatar, don't you have the Masterful Forgery Boon?
50:45 <Steven> there it is, 15 tables at a single event, so i would assume 15 tables all playing at one time.
51:01 <Mekkis> no
51:15 <Mekkis> it means 15 reported sessions in the single event
52:20 <Steven> I think most of it is emailing Mike Brock
52:30 <Mekkis> or your local VC
52:42 <Steven> yeah or a VC
52:44 <Mekkis> where "local" means one kilomile away
53:13 <Hydrazine> yo
54:41 <Avatar> I've kind of been thinking that once you have a skill up to about 20 total, you don't really need to keep putting ranks into it or boosting it
54:54 <Avatar> UMD is an exception to that I think
55:18 <Steven> notable exceptions, Intimidate, UMD, bluff, diplo, stealth, 
55:28 <Avatar> maybe stealth
55:42 <Avatar> not intimidate or bluff or diplo
56:21 <Steven> i dunno man, intimidate pretty damn good, more points is basically just extending the length you shake them for
56:55 <Steven> i suppose if you are getting 2-3 skill poitns a level, yeah dont need anymore then a +20
57:01 <Avatar> yeah but you can rely on dice for that
57:22 <Mekkis> ride
57:27 <Avatar> if you raise it up too high it becomes game/character-breaking
57:52 <Avatar> does ride need any DCs higher than 20
58:01 <Mekkis> yes
58:11 <Mekkis> for mounted combat, the DC is the enemy's attack roll
58:34 <Avatar> what action is that
58:42 <Mekkis> a nonaction
58:52 <Avatar> no I mean, what task
00:29 <Avatar> I don't see anything there being vs enemy's attack roll
00:55 <Mekkis> mounted combat feat
01:00 <Mekkis> !feat mounted combat
01:02 <diebot> Mekkis, Avoid attacks on mount with Ride  check 
01:19 <Mekkis> if you want your mount to survive
02:05 <Avatar> i'd still say that could stick at 20
02:18 <Avatar> 20 + a dice roll on your ride check vs their attack roll
02:38 <Mekkis> given that enemies were pulling off 35 to hit regularly, I'd disagree
02:47 <Steven> hmmmm,  lets say you  Diplo an npc bard/sorc w/ a +20 modifier trying to talk it into no longer being unfriendly, you looking at what a dc 23-26 minimum so you gonna fail 15-30% of the time?  sounds like theres no reason NOT to put more points into it.
03:15 <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
03:27 <Mekkis> at tier 8-9?
03:35 <Avatar> at any tier
03:52 <Mekkis> can I quote you on that?
04:14 <Avatar> you shouldn't have to rely on a feat so much so that you have to raise a skill higher than 20 to avoid all attacks
04:19 <Mekkis> !define 35AC: <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
04:19 <diebot> Mekkis, <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit defined as ??35AC
04:33 <Brunius> ??35AC
04:36 <Steven> lol
04:43 <Avatar> ??34AC
05:00 <Mekkis> Brunius is demonstrating the difference between !define and !define global
05:10 <Mekkis> <?35AC
05:10 <diebot> <Avatar> if they're pulling off 35 to hit, you should be getting hit
05:17 <Mekkis> <?Staggered
05:23 <Mekkis> <?staggered
05:23 <diebot> A staggered creature may take a single move action or standard action each round (but not both, nor can he take full-round actions). A staggered creature can still take free, swift, and immediate actions. A creature with nonlethal damage exactly equal to its current hit points gains the staggered condition.
05:28 <Avatar> you're taking it out of context by quoting it
05:33 <Mekkis> <?stunned
05:34 <diebot> You're screwed.
05:43 <Steven> i suspect avatar that me and you wont be seeing eye to eye on this 20 points into a skill
06:00 <Mekkis> I suspect Avatar will lose a lot of characters at high tier
06:20 <Avatar> sorry I don't have super optimised invincible builds 
07:00 <Steven> i mean, if its game breaking to put more then 20 into a skill then surely it must be game breaking to optimize a character to hit, to defend, or cast spells.
07:57 <Avatar> I'm saying if it's that high, you're pretty well off
08:13 <Avatar> and if you keep putting ranks into it, your other skills are probably getting neglected
08:26 <Steven> depends on your skills per level
08:33 <Brunius> yeah
08:35 <Avatar> depends on a lot of things
08:42 <Avatar> I'm generalising 
08:44 <Mekkis> hmmm
08:49 <Mekkis> +20 in knowledge...
08:57 <Brunius> Could be quite nice.
09:01 <Steven> can still totaly fail
09:32 <Mekkis> has a 40% chance of failing to identify a purple worm
09:48 <Steven> Folnor has +16 on knowledge checks except religion and Arcane which are 22
09:49 <Mekkis> and only has a 35% chance of finding any characteristics of it
10:23 <Mekkis> oh, and a purple worm has +25 to hit
11:39 <Steven> I would say theres a list of things you dont need +20 points in unless you got points to burn, appraise, climb, disguise, perform, craft, profession, swim
11:53 <Steven> prolly on the lower end of importance
11:58 <Mekkis> linguistics
12:09 <Mekkis> don't even get me started on Acrobatics
12:18 <Steven> me gusta acrobatics
12:32 <Mekkis> you need more than +20
12:34 <Avatar> acrobatics is probably another exception
12:39 <Mekkis> so
13:17 <Mekkis> exceptions are knowledges, perception, disable device, sense motive, diplomacy, bluff, ride and acrobatics?
13:37 <Steven> among any other your character specializes in
13:51 <Mekkis> roughly half of the existing skills
13:55 <Avatar> no, UMD, maybe stealth and probably acrobatics
14:09 <Mekkis> why UMD?
14:12 <Mekkis> for AMD?
14:26 <Avatar> UMD requires high checks
14:30 <Avatar> and it can be something you rely on
14:40 <Mekkis> so AMD
14:49 <Avatar> what is AMD
14:51 <Steven> highest UMD is what a 34 i believe
14:51 <Brunius> If you're relying on it that much then you've probably messed up somewhere
14:56 <Mekkis> Abuse Magic Device
14:57 <Steven> imma go check
15:02 <Brunius> Night guys
15:09 <Steven> night brunius
15:11 <Mekkis> Steven, when you're in AMD territory, there's no limit
15:21 <Avatar> I don't know what abuse magic device means
15:24 <Mekkis> I want to activate this staff, emulating a caster level of 50
15:33 <Mekkis> I think the DC's around 75 for that
15:34 <Mekkis> oh
15:45 <Mekkis> I also want to emulate an int of 50
15:49 <Steven> yeah 34 is highest UMD you would ever need without janking
15:51 <Mekkis> DC's also around 75
16:01 <Avatar> I'm not talking about that
16:06 <Avatar> I'm talking about non-abuse
16:11 <Mekkis> but my staff of Holy Word's going to kill you
16:28 <Avatar> well now you're just getting violent
16:47 <Steven> me gusta\
17:01 <Brunius> well, that escalated quickly
17:11 <Mekkis> what's DC34?
17:29 <Mekkis> activating a scroll of shapechange?
17:39 <Steven> decipher a written spell 
17:44 <Steven> 25+spell level
18:40 <Mekkis> to get the 19 int you need for the scroll, it's UMD34
19:09 <Steven> almost like is worked out like that
20:17 <Mekkis> but as I said, you're moving into AMD territory
23:14 <Steven> meh, im okay with that
23:14 <Steven> with the Emulate an Ability Score thing didnt somebody at paizo put the stop to the UMD+staff thing
23:14 <Steven> i remember reading something about it somewhere
23:14 <Steven> but i dont remember the ruling
25:17 <Steven> woooooooooooooooot
25:21 <Steven> okay guys, goin to sleep
25:36 <Steven> no getting woken up today!
36:10 <MekkisScreen> work work work
37:34 <MekkisScreen> I should build a cleric
31:37 <Avatar> someone made a chess game that had less than 1k of source code
31:51 <Avatar> they posted the whole source code in a status update
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