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08:58:02 <Urist> Hello
08:59:37 <Mort-> Hi
08:59:47 <Urist> hey mort, hows life?
09:00:58 <Mort-> Just the usual
09:02:21 <Urist> ah good,
09:02:30 <Urist> is there a game on tonight?
09:02:36 <Urist> .
09:02:50 <Urist> slash today
09:08:40 <Hydrazine> G'day.
09:09:00 <Mort-> Its a Monday
09:10:01 <Urist> so it is,,,, haha
09:10:41 <Mort-> Its most of us are working so no
09:11:04 <Mort-> 14 more days and I'm flying off to italy ^^
09:11:08 <Mort-> With my family
09:14:02 <Urist> nice
09:14:18 <Mort-> Yep
09:14:28 <Hydrazine> I am learning a song.
09:15:07 <Mort-> This is the song that never ends
09:15:16 <Mort-> it just goes on and on my friends
09:15:20 <Mort-> Is it that one?
09:15:28 <Hydrazine> I already know that song.
09:16:20 <Mort-> Or the 100 beer bottles on the wall
09:17:24 <Hydrazine> Maybe I'll show you sometime.
09:17:48 <Hydrazine> I've been considering a musical interlude on break during game night.
09:18:07 <Mort-> But you should sing well
09:18:25 <Mort-> Did you ever hear me sing?
09:18:31 <Hydrazine> No.
09:18:40 <Mort-> Oh good.
09:18:49 <Mort-> I sent a clip to matt..
09:19:01 <Mort-> His ears folded in disgust :p
09:19:06 <Hydrazine> Ah.
09:19:08 <Hydrazine> I see.
09:19:18 <Hydrazine> I like singing. Most people don't even complain too much.
09:19:27 <Mort-> I like to sing.
09:19:35 <Mort-> The world doesn't like hearing me sing
09:20:43 <Hydrazine> Sorry to hear that.
09:20:58 <Hydrazine> If I ever end up fighting a dragon in PFS, I'ma sing the dragon song.
09:21:11 <Mort-> I've had it for all 25 years. Should have gotten used to it though
09:21:16 <Mort-> I shouldn't sing.
09:21:45 <Mort-> I have musical training. But i don't think i have a lot of musical talent if you get what i mean
09:22:51 <Hydrazine> I have no musical training. But I like to sing.
09:23:19 <Hydrazine> And historically, most of my girlfriends seem to appreciate it.
09:23:23 * Mort- hugs hydra. Can you sing for me?
09:23:49 <Hydrazine> Well, if we fight a dragon, you get to hear the dragon song.
09:23:54 <Hydrazine> Anything else. I'll think about it.
09:23:57 <Mort-> Lets get the song list. Linkin park what I've done. New divide. Bon jovi its my life
09:24:22 <Mort-> And i also like songs that i can't sing
09:24:30 <Mort-> Range issues - alto
09:25:54 <Hydrazine> I think I'm a tenor. But I could be wrong.
09:26:55 <Mort-> Hm..you sure not baritone?
09:27:20 <Hydrazine> Not sure at all.
09:28:47 <Mort-> Then i tried to sing bring me to life by evanasence
09:29:04 <Mort-> That was really bad once i took records and played back
09:32:34 <Hydrazine> Not sure if I'd like the results if I recorded myself. I think I'll stick with things like singing tashes to sleep.
09:33:59 <Mort-> Well my friends. Tired of me keep trying to sing to them. Diplomatically suggested that i should listen to myself sing.
09:34:12 <Mort-> And about tashes that so sweet
09:34:39 <Mort-> But what songs do you sing to her
09:38:48 <Hydrazine> All sorts of stuff.
09:39:57 <Hydrazine> The funny part is, she generally doesn't remember the songs at all. Or she'll remember just the first one.
09:43:16 <Mort-> If i were zzing i wouldn't remember either?
09:43:47 <Hydrazine> But shes awake at the start!
09:45:59 <Hydrazine> I think last time I was singing to her, it was Depeche Mode.
09:50:20 <Mort-> Well as you get more zzy you don't remember much
09:50:38 <Mort-> Either that or you have a secret facinate up your sleeves
10:03:40 <Urist> cya guys
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12:22:59 <Mort-> Catch me as i fall
12:23:08 <Mort-> Say you're here and its all over now
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14:13:11 <Hydrazine> So.
14:14:15 <Avatar> indeed
14:44:54 <Mekkis> so what
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15:40:48 <Mort-> Claws are trouble some
15:40:55 <Mort-> I'm growing a pair
15:41:12 <Mort-> They keep poking you by mistake :(
15:43:15 <Hydrazine> Only a pair?
15:43:49 <Mort-> Ok 10 claws total
15:44:10 <Mort-> And I'm trying not to chip them off on anything
15:45:20 <Mort-> Cell typing will get interesting soon unless I'm supposed to use my claw on the touch screen? Doesn't work too well though
15:45:42 <Hydrazine> Depends on the kind of touchscreens.
15:46:07 <Hydrazine> It'll work on the pressure sensative types, but those are less common now.
15:46:28 <Mort-> Mine doesn't seen to work too well. I need the ball of my thumb to be in contact before i can type
15:46:50 * Mort- paws around
15:50:34 * Mort- thinks mekkis is a tree and starts sharpening her claws on him
15:52:32 <Hydrazine> Most touchscreens now are the capacitive type, and those won't work with nails.
15:54:02 <Mort-> Uh capa-what?
15:54:14 * Mort- scratches her furry head
15:55:48 <Hydrazine> Not big on electrical and electronic theory are you?
15:56:45 * Mekkis sticks with resistive!
15:56:54 <Mekkis> ow
15:57:00 <Mekkis> stop scratching me, Mort-
15:57:16 <Mort-> Oh yeah!
15:57:22 <Hydrazine> Resistive types look worse, generally.
15:57:23 * Mort- is a fluffhead
15:58:07 <Hydrazine> For some comparison, Mort, a nintendo DS uses a resistive screen. Most newer smartphones are capacitive.
15:59:57 <Mort-> Capacitive uses different conductivity to determine the presence of a touching object
16:00:11 <Mort-> As compared to air
16:00:33 <Mort-> So i used my hand bag handle to try to fiddle my touch screen phone
16:00:42 <Mort-> But it didnt work
16:00:50 <Hydrazine> And found it insufficienctly conductive to work.
16:01:22 <Mort-> Chop sticks don't work either?
16:01:33 <Mort-> But they are made of non conductors!
16:01:49 <Hydrazine> Precisely. Your fingers DO conduct.
16:03:12 <Mort-> Ok
16:03:22 <Mort-> My hand bag handle is metal?
16:03:35 <Mort-> Yeah sweat and salt and all that stuff
16:05:00 <Mort-> But mekkis - i need someone to sharpen my claws on and you're around :(
16:05:13 <Mort-> So can i scratch you? :)
16:16:09 * Mekkis shows Mort- a tree
16:16:33 <Mort-> A tree isn't someone :(
16:17:01 <Mort-> Ah wait i said tree right?
16:17:15 * Mort- sharpens her claws on the tree
16:19:22 <Mort-> paizo.com/forums/dmtz60fs&page=2?Druid-willingly-flame-strikes-Animal-Companion
16:19:43 <Mort-> Hm. More of the what happens to divine classes stuff
16:19:59 <Mort-> But i do think that druid needs a lesson...
16:20:18 <Mort-> Though i have volunteered for friendly fire myself
16:22:36 <Hydrazine> Well, the DM here is saying, "I think one of my players is being a dickface, what should I do?"
16:24:02 <Avatar> being a dickface how
16:24:08 <Avatar> that's pretty vague
16:24:21 <Avatar> or did I miss too much conversation
16:24:46 <Hydrazine> Its a thread about a druid who gives zero shits about his animal companion.
16:25:07 <Hydrazine> to the point of flamestriking it along with a hostile, and moving right on after he killed it.
16:25:48 <Mekkis> what?
16:26:00 <Mekkis> the player's playing his character the way he wants to...
16:26:23 <Avatar> why would you flamestrike your animal companion
16:26:33 <Avatar> I mean if he kills it, isn't that punishment enough
16:26:49 <Hydrazine> And if you want to play an LG paladin as a blood soaked serial killer, you won't be playing a paladin for long.
16:27:27 <Avatar> I don't think it's really comparable to a paladin
16:27:44 <Mort-> Point is the target in question was a fire resistant monster
16:27:51 <Hydrazine> my point is that 'playing a character the way you want to' is not always an adequate defense.
16:27:58 <Avatar> I mean I guess what would happen is an alignment change
16:28:15 <Mort-> But i have taken friendly fire before without complaint
16:28:22 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, in some cases, yes
16:28:28 <Avatar> with a paladin, if you went around serial killing, then you'd go from lawful good to lawful evil
16:28:31 <Mort-> I wouldn't do that though
16:28:36 <Mort-> Ce :p
16:28:37 <Avatar> which I think has repercussions
16:28:56 <Mort-> Welcome to anti pally land :d
16:29:04 <Mekkis> but I don't think that that sort of flame strike "undruidly"
16:29:11 * Mort- grins. I always had an urge to do that
16:29:30 <Avatar> maybe it is the same argument - his alignment would probably change, and that affects druids
16:29:49 <Mort-> He is ng he becomes n and he is still a doodad
16:30:09 <Avatar> yeah, if he just went from neutral good to neutral, he's probably still safe
16:30:25 <Mort-> Even if he became ne
16:30:27 <Avatar> I mean even true neutral to neutral evil is safe
16:30:29 <Mort-> Since it isn't pfs
16:30:38 <Mort-> Who cares!
16:30:59 <Mort-> Alignment shift won't hurt him
16:31:11 <Avatar> it sounds like people in the thread are talking about the "ceases to revere nature" part of it
16:31:24 <Avatar> so we go back to why did he do it
16:31:51 <Mort-> His beastie was playing with a hell cat
16:32:24 <Mort-> Probably on his orders
16:32:54 <Mort-> Now if socks was playing with a hellcat i could throw a fireball down there in all good conscience
16:34:01 <Avatar> yeah if that was the first time, I would probably not do anything, but after the 4th or 5th wolf, not being able to call a new one sounds fair
16:34:18 <Avatar> the ex-druid rule works
16:34:44 <Avatar> even the slightest roleplay of silent mourning would work better than nothing
16:36:01 * Mekkis remembers not to mention how many Rocs Grolschmir has been through
16:36:05 <Avatar> some people there are saying it's a roleplay expectation issue with the player
16:36:25 <Hydrazine> Huh.
16:36:29 <Avatar> mekkis doesn't roleplay!
16:36:38 <Hydrazine> The player himself said there should be some sort of penalty.
16:36:59 <Avatar> who
16:36:59 <Hydrazine> Of the suggestions, I do like sending him unsuitable wolves, or having one not show up for a session or two.
16:37:02 <Avatar> who's the player*
16:37:10 <Mort-> No ac till level up ^^
16:37:27 <Avatar> just have wolves attack him when he tries to call for one
16:37:30 <Avatar> that'll learn him
16:37:32 <Hydrazine> Theres a post from the original DM about a talk they had.
16:37:36 <Mort-> Uh mek. How many rocs have you gone through
16:37:39 <Avatar> with nature, there's always a balance
16:38:35 <Mort-> I thought only 2 so far?
16:40:40 <Mekkis> three or four
16:40:45 <Mekkis> none of them have died
16:40:59 <Mekkis> it's more feat-replacement therapy!
16:41:09 <Mort-> Really?
16:41:11 <Mort-> Ok
16:41:20 <Mort-> That's ok if you just released them
16:41:36 <Mekkis> I call them the same animal
16:41:46 <Mekkis> but RAW, they're different
16:42:04 <Hydrazine> Thats different than dive-bombing them into your enemies
16:42:28 <Mekkis> is it?
16:42:31 <Mort-> He uses himself as a divebomber ><
16:42:40 <Mekkis> "You took the wrong feat at first level! DISMISSED!"
16:42:43 <Hydrazine> Loading the saddle with sacks of acid flasks and send them crashing into the troops.
16:43:01 <Mekkis> that's an idea, Hydrazine!
16:43:03 <Mort-> Would never do such a thing really
16:43:26 <Mort-> But seriously
16:43:57 <Mort-> Why not just fly above them and drop a bag of alchemist whatever crap on them?
16:45:57 <Avatar> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-02/emerson-sings-no-whyalla-wipe-out/4105246
16:46:01 <Avatar> fastforward to about 1:20
16:47:10 <Mort-> I think mek is le today
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16:48:11 <Mort-> Hi tashes!
16:48:17 <Tashes> hi Mort-!
16:48:34 * Mort- shows tashes her newly sharpened claws :-)
16:48:40 <Hydrazine> Hi Tashes
16:48:52 <Mort-> Let me demonstrate
16:49:30 * Mort- walks up to mekkis and claws him a few times :)
16:50:15 * Tashes gives Mekkis a cloth for all the bloods
16:50:36 <Tashes> pretty! Want me to polish them for you?
16:50:48 <Tashes> i have blood red, matte black, cherry or midnight!
16:52:02 <Hydrazine> I vote cherry.
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16:54:53 <Mort-> Ok cherry it shall be!
16:55:26 * Mort- holds out her claws for tashes to polish
16:56:34 * Steven runs out from the shadows and coughs on morts hands
16:56:50 * Mort- claws Steven
16:56:55 <Steven> BOOYA! SNEAK ATTACK: COUGH STRIKE!
16:57:00 <Steven> mort make a fort save
16:57:15 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 fort
16:57:16 <diebot> Mort-, fort: [1d20=1] 4
16:57:22 <Mort-> :d
16:57:26 <Steven> you're fine!
16:57:36 <Mort-> On a nat 1?
16:57:40 <Steven> yup
16:57:52 <Steven> Theres no negative to the cough... im not sick
16:57:56 <Mort-> Suure
16:57:59 <Mort-> Ok
16:58:52 <Steven> mort
16:58:55 <Steven> 4 days
16:59:01 <Steven> Paizocon!
16:59:15 <Steven> sams already guild trippin me tryin to get me not to go
16:59:35 <Hydrazine> Gonna cosplay it up?
16:59:40 <Steven> like thats gonna happen!
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16:59:50 <Steven> Yes, I am
17:00:01 <Hydrazine> You should totally be a barbarian. With a kilt and warpaint and the like.
17:00:04 <Steven> I am going to Pretend im a 30yo Male Human
17:01:15 <Steven> Probably a level 3 expert
17:01:35 <Hydrazine> Expert at what?
17:01:41 <Avatar> everything !
17:01:46 <Mort-> Where's my mur suit :(
17:01:48 <Steven> Hydrogeology
17:01:51 <Steven> cooking
17:01:57 <Steven> mathmatics
17:02:32 <Steven> Ide say sex but thats just boasting and is over done i think
17:02:37 <Steven> so lets go with....
17:02:52 <Steven> hmmmmm
17:04:02 <Steven> got it! last knowledge is going to be avoiding responsabilities lol
17:05:37 <Steven> so thats 4 skills, slight of hand, swim, survival, intimidate, diplo, bluff
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17:05:55 <Steven> yup thats 10 of em
17:06:45 <Steven> ugh... i just realized i have to change all my pdfs over to actual paper copies
17:07:21 <Steven> because i dont think ill get a place to put my laptop on the table
17:07:30 <Steven> so i'll do that tomorrow
17:14:16 <Steven> my diplo so good... im going to go to sleep...
17:14:25 <Steven> see you guys and girls later
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17:15:41 <Tashes> Mort-, i moved into a house with three boys. the bathrooom is so gross!
17:15:49 * Tashes clings to Mort-
17:15:58 <Tashes> i'm scared of the shower
17:16:25 <Tashes> i started cleanign it and they laughed at me for being an ocd girly cleaning nazi ;_;
17:30:11 <Brunius> Y'know, if people actaully told us how to do this stuff it'd really help
17:30:56 <Tashes> lol Brunius. Step 1: take your hairballs out of the shower. step 2: clean up after you shave.
17:31:09 <Brunius> What the hell are hairballs?
17:31:50 <Tashes> these guys have logn hair
17:43:25 <Mort-> Oh my god
17:49:36 <Brunius> Anyone here know how to get a square wave oscillator cheaply?
17:51:45 <Hydrazine> Theres one in the garage here.
17:52:04 <Hydrazine> Wait, oscillator? Hm. Nevermind. I was thinking Oscilliscope.
17:52:07 <Brunius> Yeah
17:52:10 <Brunius> Not looking for a CRO
18:02:53 <Avatar> lol
18:02:55 <Mekkis> ummm
18:02:58 <Mekkis> a 555?
18:03:03 <Mekkis> they're pretty cheap
18:03:14 <Brunius> Can a 555 be set up as square wave?
18:03:17 <Mekkis> yeah
18:03:18 <Brunius> I haven't been able to find out
18:03:44 <Mekkis> easy
18:04:33 <Brunius> Next question - could I set it up for positive and then negative output?
18:04:41 <Mort-> What's a square wave
18:05:07 <Brunius> It's a square instead of a standard sine wave
18:05:13 <Hydrazine> Its like a sine wave, but square
18:05:41 <Hydrazine> I figure you could just reverse the connections to get a negative wave?
18:05:49 <Brunius> Maybe
18:06:05 <Brunius> I'm trying to do this without an arduino or similiar
18:06:11 <Brunius> Is there a name for that group?
18:11:48 <Hydrazine> Build your own astable oscillator?
18:12:27 <Brunius> Mmm, that's the plan
18:18:37 <Mekkis> what do you mean, Brunius?
18:19:19 <Brunius> +3.5V, -3.5V
18:19:27 <Brunius> At, I dunno, 3Hz
18:19:28 <Mekkis> sure
18:19:59 <Mekkis> just set Vcc and Vdd of the 555 to +3.5 and -3.5v
18:20:01 <Mekkis> easy
18:20:12 <Brunius> ok
18:20:35 <Mekkis> make sure you're using a real 555, not a CMOS one
18:21:23 <Brunius> To the Jaycar site!
18:21:52 <Brunius> Hmm, they've got 556s
18:21:59 <Brunius> But I don't need two 555s
18:23:17 <Hydrazine> Wouldn't setting it like that give you a single square wave with peaks at +3.5 and -3.5? Is that what you're looking for, or +3.5V to 0, and 0 to -3.5V?
18:23:46 <Brunius> I'm looking for +3.5 to -3.5
18:25:21 <Hydrazine> AC work then? Whats this for?
18:26:29 <Brunius> Just a project I'm working on
18:27:22 <Brunius> For all I know the motor won't even fit in the space I've got
18:28:44 <Brunius> Perhaps I'm missing something, Mekkis, but I can't find where Vdd would be
18:34:18 <Hydrazine> Can ya show a picture?
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18:42:04 <Hydrazine> If its a motor, are you sure you need a square wave?
18:46:08 <Brunius> Nope
18:46:55 * Mort- boggles
18:47:03 * Mort- cheers hydra on
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18:56:08 <Hydrazine> I dealt with some rather large AC motors a few years ago. We used good old sine waves.
18:56:14 * Tashes talks about girl stuff with Mort-
19:21:51 <Avatar> that's a bit sexist
19:22:32 <Brunius> Girls can be engineers too!
19:23:52 <Mort-> God darn
19:24:02 <Mort-> I'm getting conflicting orders at work now
19:24:05 <Mort-> Good grief.
19:24:32 <Mort-> This is really irritating
19:24:54 <Mort-> Can't people just sort out what they want me to do then give me orders?
19:25:04 <Mort-> Its like a tells me to do something
19:25:18 <Mort-> And b tells me not to do what a told me to do
19:25:42 <Brunius> Mort-, tell them this, and ask someone (boss of those two?) if you can start getting orders from only one of them
19:25:49 <Mort-> So couldn't a and b just sort it out before just giving me orders on what to do
19:26:01 <Mort-> I guess i should listen to b
19:26:14 <Mort-> Since a is leaving the company soon
19:26:59 <Mort-> But b's orders will leave me with nothing to do at work so i rather follow a's orders
19:27:02 <Mort-> Figures
19:27:48 <Mort-> Couldn't they just talk it out between themselves and not sandwich me in the middle?
19:28:04 <Mort-> What they are allowed to tell me to do?
19:29:00 <Mort-> I have a good mind to tell a that b says don't do anything that you tell me to do until b says so
19:29:57 <Mort-> Its really stupid when i have to think of stupid excuses to a when i don't do what a told me to do
19:31:31 <Mort-> And i think b does not want a to know that b's orders are why I'm not doing what a told me to do
19:31:56 * Mort- irritatedly facepalms
19:33:09 <Mort-> Really... this is pretty fked up
19:34:35 <Mort-> And i hate lying and trying to bluff
19:34:47 <Mort-> I have obviously no skill ranks in it
19:37:02 <Hydrazine> Okay, step 1, is don't lie for either of them.
19:38:50 <Mort-> Ok so ill tell a that b is telling me not to follow a's orders so please work out with b before asking me to do stuff
19:38:56 <Mort-> Right.
19:39:09 <Mort-> I've been lying for b atm
19:42:17 <Hydrazine> If your view is that they both have the same place in your heirarchy, then work on first come first serve basis. Tell the guy who asks you to do something second that you can't, because you're already doing this for that guy. and if hes got a problem with it, they can go sort it out.
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19:47:33 <Mort-> Oh yeah dc
19:47:54 <Mort-> The problem is one guy is telling me to not do the other guys orders
19:48:04 <Mort-> And actually I'm not doing anything at work non
19:48:05 <Mort-> Now
19:50:22 <Mort-> And yeah I'm looking for a job now
19:50:40 <Mort-> All this office politics is getting on my nerves
19:50:50 <Brunius> I hate politics
19:52:53 <Hydrazine> Had to deal with alot of that in the service.
19:53:04 <Hydrazine> Okay, Mort. Heres the deal. Do you know who your immediate boss is?
19:53:08 <Hydrazine> Is he one of those two?
19:54:18 <Mort-> Well technically its a
19:54:23 <Mort-> And not b
19:54:39 <Hydrazine> And A's the one you don't like?
19:54:59 <Mort-> I don't like b..
19:55:13 <Mort-> But a is leaving the company soon
19:56:20 <Mort-> B isn't technically paying my salary or whatever but..b has the super big bosses ear
20:04:52 <Mort-> Not that the big boss will really care so...
20:05:14 <Mort-> I tell you if i get a decent job offer ill be out of here
20:38:56 <Mort-> Mek you free later?
20:40:32 <Brunius> Oh, that guitar in my ear is actually bowie
20:44:35 <Mort-> ?
20:44:50 * Mort- fluffs bru
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20:51:39 <Mort-> Oh
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22:15:12 <Mort-> Vol
22:15:14 <Mort-> Lol
22:15:25 <Mort-> Nice catch
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23:52:14 <Brunius> Night folks
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