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00:11:21 <coppice> doesn't youtube change almost every day?
00:11:46 <coppice> and how come they update the youtube app on my phone a lot, but only to introduce new bugs?
00:12:15 <rust_collector> yeah, but not this much, I think. I have no idea, I don't use my phone, unless I have no other way
00:38:17 <cheater> kreosan posted new video
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04:39:12 <Guest79> Hello!
04:40:02 <AndrevS> hello
04:41:11 <Guest79> I'm an electronics beginner that needs a bit of help
04:41:19 <rust_collector> helloooo
04:42:26 <Guest79> I'm currently designing a battery powered devboard powered by a STM32, If I'm correct this circuit should beable to switch between VBUS which is 5V from USB and 5V_PSU that comes from the battery? https://i.imgur.com/mCidmiM.png
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04:55:14 <AndrevS> If I read the circuit correctly, it switches the USB_VBUS power supply off when the 5V_PSU is available.
04:56:56 <rust_collector> yeah, like anyone has time to wait for you to read circuits....
05:52:48 <rust_collector> and after a few months of talking about it, I spent 15 minutes, and made a little shelf for the boat anchor to sit on
05:53:24 <rust_collector> Now I have to figure out what I should do with all this bench space
05:55:31 <T3sl4> put more junk on it
05:55:53 <rust_collector> yeah, that is what I thought, and I am working on it
05:56:36 <rust_collector> I could move some of the crap I have stacked up on the piano
07:15:09 <Halcyon> Morning all
07:15:41 <rust_collector> hey
07:15:47 <AndrevS> Hi
07:16:32 <rust_collector> are you going to oil your sheep again today?
07:16:42 <Halcyon> Hahah
07:16:45 <Halcyon> My deck, yes
07:17:03 <rust_collector> and then it is done?
07:17:04 <Halcyon> I need coffee, but I'm out of beans, need to get more
07:17:08 <Halcyon> Yes pretty much
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07:18:44 <Guest|71705> hello, i had a question about using the multimeter -- in general is it safe for me to check any two random points on a circuit without shorting something or ruining a component?
07:19:08 <Guest|71705> i'm always really paranoid about checking for continuity or voltage drop for learning purposes if i'm going to wreck something
07:19:57 <Halcyon> T3sl4, would be better to answer it than I. I'd say you'll be mostly OK, particularly if it's low voltage stuff
07:20:06 <Halcyon> Just be careful where you stick the probes
07:20:41 <T3sl4> shorting things out with one probe is a lot easier than shorting between two probes :P
07:24:23 <cheater> hi
07:25:22 <cheater> Guest|71705: when in voltage mode, your multimeter have a specific internal resistance. say, 1M Ohm. if putting a resistor in that circuit that's 1M Ohm is going to be fine, then measuring will be fine too.
07:25:40 <cheater> it's difficult to find situations where a 1M Ohm resistor would destroy something, but there are certainly some
07:25:58 <cheater> especially when looking at high voltage circuits
07:26:03 <cheater> which you shouldn't be touching AT ALL
07:26:12 <cheater> by high voltage i mean higher voltage than mains
07:26:25 <cheater> but given your level also don't touch mains circuits.
07:29:48 <Guest|71705> shorting with one probe?
07:29:57 <Guest|71705> and no i am not messing with anything super high voltage afaik
07:30:39 <Guest|71705> but like is it safe to test both sides of a diode? or two spots in the same trace? opposite sides of a transistor or resistor or whatever? etc
07:30:46 <Guest|71705> like what do i have to watch out for
07:30:56 <Guest|71705> (or an LED etc)
07:31:10 <T3sl4> when it's powered off, there isn't much you can damage except by ESD
07:34:27 <rust_collector> I found one of those expanding bolt anchor things, that you put in concrete floors and such, on my bench. I wonder where that came from
07:36:43 <Guest|71705> is it safe for me to test both sides of an LED?
07:37:57 <rust_collector> pretty safe
07:52:45 <Halcyon> Guest|71705, he means poking around with one probe with pins close together, it's possible to short two or more pins of something together if you aren't careful.
07:53:11 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/fDu57Jk
07:53:23 <rust_collector> this is not ideal, is it?
07:53:31 <Halcyon> Looks a bit crispy
07:54:01 <rust_collector> just a little bit
07:54:30 <rust_collector> so, I guess I can say the thing is broken?
07:55:00 <Halcyon> Meh, just brush off the burnt bits, it'll be fine :P
07:56:16 <rust_collector> the little 8 pin chip has a hole blown out, should I just jab a toothpick in there, and trim it flush, to keep the electrons from falling out?
07:57:48 <rust_collector> I think it is interesting how much stuff they put into this thing. It is...was a charger for a 24v lead acid battery
08:01:48 <Halcyon> Little bit of hot melt should plug it up nicely
08:02:27 <rust_collector> ok, thanks. I will do that and sell it as refurbished on ebay
08:03:42 <rust_collector> heh, there has to be a market for these, as they did not support that heavy ring at all. just soldered in the wires
08:04:44 <rust_collector> there is a smaller one on the board, and that one sits nicely in a plastic bracket thing
08:10:46 <steve30> Halcyon, is Jerry learning to use a multimeter?
08:11:46 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFTQxWlMGeE
08:11:58 <rust_collector> the best multimeter how to I have seen
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08:57:54 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1248 - INSANE! A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF! https://t.co/oVNdcfZSJG
09:14:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @SimonZerafa: @eevblog Time to boycott @kickstarter 🤷♂️🙂 https://t.co/zeHcF58IdP
09:17:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Not incredible, it was the obvious guaranteed predictable end result. Delusional ideas don't work no matter how hard you believe it. https://t.co/8qWEMpBZQg
09:22:56 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/yPZPmJQ.png
09:29:49 <Halcyon> steve30: He just like nibbling things
09:32:23 <rust_collector> https://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-CN16SA-16-Gauge-Sheet-Nibbler/dp/B00005Q7BR
09:32:39 <Halcyon> Heh
09:32:47 <Halcyon> About the same price as a Cockatiel as well
09:33:11 <rust_collector> it will last a long time as well
09:34:31 <rust_collector> those old design hitachis were pretty good. I am not sure who own them now
09:35:04 <rust_collector> so, I installed freebsd, and now I don't want to set it up
09:35:15 <Halcyon> Heh
09:39:32 <rust_collector> I guess I will just get it updated, and maybe install a thing or two, just to make sure it works
09:47:26 <coppice> everyone loves the old design Hitachis :)
09:47:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1248 – INSANE! A 0.02% Process Meter for $9? WTF! https://t.co/qW5bimSi79
09:50:49 <rust_collector> harr harr harr
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10:19:09 <rust_collector> eh?
10:19:40 * AmpPhone throws a dildo at rust_collector
10:20:07 <rust_collector> coppice was just mentioning a similar device
10:21:01 * AmpPhone launches another at Halcyon
10:21:22 <Halcyon> I don't want your filthy sex toys
10:21:31 <AmpPhone> I'm on a bus just departed NYC
10:21:45 <rust_collector> I wonder if the intercontinental dildos sound similar to other falling objects
10:21:53 <Halcyon> How was it?
10:22:03 <AmpPhone> Great
10:22:34 <AmpPhone> Fuck, the bus driver just said no profanity
10:22:41 <AmpPhone> That's retarded
10:23:25 <Halcyon> Riiiight
10:23:34 <Halcyon> What a cunt
10:23:34 <Halcyon> :P
10:24:26 <AmpPhone> He's got a lengthy safety and policy announcement
10:24:32 <AmpPhone> Sounds nice thought
10:24:39 <AmpPhone> *though
10:26:00 <Halcyon> I'll be back shortly, going to the shops
10:30:10 <AmpPhone> In other news I'm currently in New Jersey
10:32:55 <rust_collector> I am shutting down my freebsd laptop, that you made me do
10:35:13 <rust_collector> so far, it looks ok. I just have to remember stuff
10:42:17 <AmpPhone> Er, alright
10:42:53 <rust_collector> just details, like starting the wm properly, and stuff like that
10:42:54 <AmpPhone> How did it work out?
10:43:10 <AmpPhone> It's mostly the same as Linux
10:43:17 <rust_collector> yeah
10:43:32 <AmpPhone> Services use a different init system, but besides that
10:44:15 <rust_collector> well, close enough
10:44:17 <AmpPhone> I like freebsd for being clean, solid, reliable, and reasonably documented.
10:44:41 <rust_collector> I like that I got my usual crap installed with not much trouble
10:45:24 <rust_collector> pretty much nano, tmux, and elinks
10:46:28 <AmpPhone> My only big issues were with the Nvidia driver, Linux compat, and in particular PXE
10:47:07 <rust_collector> yaay! I don't use either of those. it is just a laptop to play with
10:47:27 <AmpPhone> Everything else usually worked fine
10:48:19 <AmpPhone> Sound was a bit iffy, but I just didn't know how to use it, rather than it being broken or difficult.
10:49:20 <rust_collector> hmm, I have not tried anything to do with sound yet. what does it use for that?
10:50:01 <AmpPhone> It used to use OSS, but now it uses it's own OSS compatible system.
10:50:07 <rust_collector> ok
10:50:27 <AmpPhone> PulseAudio and JACK are there just like on Linux
10:50:30 <Halcyon> Back
10:50:37 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera, I bought an old iMac for $150
10:51:00 <rust_collector> ooooold?
10:51:04 <AmpPhone> And from a usage point of view, works similar to ALSA
10:51:07 <AmpPhone> How old@
10:51:17 <Halcyon> 2007
10:51:36 <AmpPhone> Also yay, now you can keep me company on the long ride home
10:51:41 <Halcyon> \o/
10:51:51 <AmpPhone> Interesting, Intel era
10:51:53 <Halcyon> I do have to go prepare dinner and put it in the slow cooker though
10:52:00 <Halcyon> Yep
10:52:08 <AmpPhone> :/
10:52:12 <Halcyon> Deciding whether to keep it OS X or put Linux on
10:52:28 <rust_collector> just dump it in, and leave it a bit longer. it will disintegrate soon enough
10:52:29 <AmpPhone> Put FreeBSD on it
10:52:57 <Halcyon> I wouldn't use it much, it's just for my collection of old computers for occasional tinkering
10:53:11 <rust_collector> then keep it osx
10:53:27 <AmpPhone> I'm not a fan of OS/X
10:53:33 <rust_collector> or be weird, and put dos on it
10:53:36 <Halcyon> I need to try and find an install disc or ISO image though. I want to blow it away and start again.
10:53:55 <AmpPhone> However if I had a power mac tower, I would use it on there
10:54:07 <AmpPhone> Good luck
10:54:44 <Halcyon> Because of course Crapple doesn't provide ISO images for download
10:54:46 <rust_collector> iIrc, linux does ok on those, but the webcam is a bit tricky to get going.
10:54:53 <Halcyon> I think we have some install discs at work.
10:55:05 <Halcyon> Couldn't care less about the webcam, I've covered it up anyway
10:55:48 * AmpPhone covers up Halcyon like a good Muslim girl
10:55:58 <Halcyon> Bahaha
10:56:15 <AmpPhone> Don't want too much of that skin and freedom leaking out
10:56:23 <Halcyon> I'll be back in about 20 minutes, just going to get this sauce going
10:56:44 <AmpPhone> Ok :(
11:00:35 <rust_collector> well, it was good to get rid of that windows7 install on that thing. I really like this little machine. I don't remember exactly, but it is around 12" so nice and neat to take to work and such
11:01:06 <rust_collector> I wonder if I can get the modem working in bsd. that would be something
11:02:06 <rust_collector> google says it can work.
11:02:17 <rust_collector> good project for tomorrow evenight
11:03:12 <AmpPhone> Phone or cellular modem?
11:03:29 <rust_collector> cell
11:03:59 <AmpPhone> Both should work well, BSDs have always been known for excellent networking
11:04:08 <rust_collector> the somewhat quirky qualcomm gobi2000
11:04:44 <AmpPhone> Idk about drivers anymore due to Linux being the main focus of the world, but even Linux's networking stack is based off BSD's
11:05:06 <rust_collector> yeah, it will work, if you can figure out how to load the firmware, and "reinsert" the device, that is built in
11:06:07 <rust_collector> but, that is a project for some other time. I am not even sure if I will bother, as they are shutting down the 3g network up here probably next year
11:07:42 <rust_collector> But I have lots to do early-ish tomorrow, so I think it is time for my nap
11:08:31 <rust_collector> good night, or trip home, for you
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11:19:45 <AmpPhone> Thanks, you too
11:32:43 <Halcyon> Back
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11:37:05 <mfny> hi guys .. long time no see again
11:37:20 <Halcyon> Hey mfny, what's been happening?
11:37:39 <AmpPhone> Hi Halcyon
11:37:43 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
11:37:52 <Halcyon> Oh, Amps, do you have any ISOs of OS X ?
11:38:00 <Halcyon> I'm specifically after 10.11 (El Capitan)
11:38:33 <AmpPhone> Now I'm no longer alone in the dark
11:38:38 <AmpPhone> I only have them up to 10.3
11:38:39 <Halcyon> Oh?
11:38:45 <Halcyon> Hmm bugger
11:38:51 <AmpPhone> OS/X isn't really my thing
11:39:14 <Halcyon> OS/2 is
11:39:15 <Halcyon> :P
11:39:24 * AmpPhone gives Halcyon some tiddies
11:39:27 <AmpPhone> OS/2?
11:39:39 <Halcyon> Since you're into old stuff like me
11:39:48 <mfny> so I've found these on banggood .. to cheap to resist .. there's a whole bunch of add ons/options for them to (sorry for long URL)
11:40:01 <mfny> https://www.banggood.com/M5Stack-M5StickC-ESP32-PICO-Color-LCD-Mini-IoT-Development-Board-Finger-Computer-p-1476576.html?rmmds=detail-top-buytogether-auto&cur_warehouse=UK
11:40:31 <AmpPhone> I mean possible, but really
11:40:31 <AmpPhone> Yeah but OS/2 sucks
11:40:32 <AmpPhone> It's historically and graphically neat, but a right pain to use
11:40:45 <mfny> there is even one with a built in cam and SD card slot for under £20
11:40:47 <AmpPhone> Why not try Darwin Unix?
11:41:14 <mfny> ESP32 is cool and good so these look neat
11:41:53 <Halcyon> Ahh FFS, stupid Apple, I can download it through their App Store, but in order to use their App Store, I need Mac OS 10 or later
11:41:54 <Halcyon> Brilliant
11:42:42 <Halcyon> Anyone in here have a modern Mac they can download this thing for me?
11:43:17 <mfny> https://www.arcanoae.com OS/2 LIVESSSSSS
11:43:24 <AmpPhone> You could always ask jspios :)
11:43:38 <Halcyon> Meh, I can wait until I get to work tomorrow :P
11:43:53 <AmpPhone> He has modern Macs and is super cute
11:43:58 <Halcyon> Is he?
11:44:15 <mfny> also can vouch for arcOS .. ive paid for and used it
11:44:26 <mfny> arcaOS rather
11:44:30 <AmpPhone> Yes.
11:45:17 <AmpPhone> Bisexuals know these things
11:45:25 <mfny> anyway ima gonna buy one of those cheapo ESP32 things
11:47:39 <Halcyon> Oh also, I'm actually using my EEVblog 121GW for something useful
11:47:47 <AmpPhone> Mile 100!
11:47:49 <Halcyon> I'm logging temperature with it
11:47:59 <AmpPhone> On the 87
11:48:03 <Halcyon> I forgot it did data logging and I can set whatever interval I want
11:51:45 <AmpPhone> In 4 hours I would have been up for 24 hours straight
11:51:51 <Halcyon> Yuck
11:52:05 <AmpPhone> Yuck?
11:52:16 <AmpPhone> Oh because I said straight
11:52:41 <Halcyon> Exactly
11:52:41 <AmpPhone> Heterophobe.
11:52:55 <AmpPhone> Lol
11:52:59 <Halcyon> :P
11:53:42 <AmpPhone> Definitely one of the most insane days of my life, and the most impressive act of self coordination I've ever done.
11:53:51 <Halcyon> Did you have a good time?
11:53:58 <Halcyon> You still haven't told me what you actually did in NYC
11:54:35 <AmpPhone> Oh yes.
11:54:35 <AmpPhone> I went to museums
11:55:03 <AmpPhone> The metropolitan museum of art, the American museum of natural history, and the 9/11 memorial museum.
11:55:08 <Halcyon> Nice
11:55:44 <AmpPhone> I also went to Strawberry fields, times square, and chick fil a
11:56:01 <Halcyon> What's Strawberry Fields?
11:56:35 <AmpPhone> A part of Central Park dedicated to John Lennon
11:57:47 <AmpPhone> I think, though, what will end up being the best part of this trip is the memory of it
11:58:21 <T3sl4> Halcyon: dunno, but it goes on forever
11:58:23 <AmpPhone> Being there only lasts a short while, but memories last as long as I can keep them
11:58:24 <Halcyon> I'm glad you had a good time
11:58:29 <AmpPhone> Lol
11:58:45 <Halcyon> I look forward to when you can actually make it to AU
11:59:09 * AmpPhone gives T3sl4 a mellotron
11:59:25 <T3sl4> :)
11:59:27 <AmpPhone> So do I, but that's a couple years of at least
11:59:50 <AmpPhone> It really only depends on how much money I am able to make
12:02:58 <AmpPhone> Just gave the guy next to me a jump off my battery bank
12:03:06 <Halcyon> Is he cute?
12:03:24 <AmpPhone> I ain't gonna judge his looks
12:03:28 <Halcyon> Why not?
12:03:32 <AmpPhone> I don't tend to do that to people
12:03:48 <Halcyon> You're no fun
12:05:49 <AmpPhone> Well he's also much older than I, straight, and married
12:05:53 <Halcyon> Ew
12:05:58 <AmpPhone> And sitting right next to me
12:06:18 <AmpPhone> So I'm not gonna start some faggot shit with him
12:06:28 <Halcyon> I didn't ask you to
12:06:40 <AmpPhone> *about
12:13:07 <AmpPhone> 14 miles to my last stop
12:13:25 <Halcyon> Then you're home?
12:18:52 <AmpPhone> No
12:19:08 <AmpPhone> Then I get driven home by my dad
12:19:51 <AmpPhone> This is a highway bus, not a city bus
12:20:15 <AmpPhone> They're more like planes in terms of logistics
12:21:27 <AmpPhone> I'll be home in a bit under an hour if you're still on
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12:22:23 <AmpPhone> Halcyon
12:22:29 <Halcyon> Yeh I will be
12:22:36 <Halcyon> I'm just going outside now to finish my deck
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12:23:39 <AmpPhone> K
12:25:06 <AmpPhone> Signing off.
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13:16:32 * Ampera throws custard at Halcyon
13:27:03 <Halcyon> BRB
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13:58:25 <Halcyon> OK I'm back Ampera
13:58:37 <Ampera> ok
13:58:40 <Ampera> I'm about checked out
13:58:45 <Ampera> but I'm home
13:58:46 <Halcyon> Yeh you must be pooped
13:59:00 <Ampera> my feet are actually a tad inflamed/swollen
13:59:06 <Ampera> and my legs are toast
13:59:10 <Halcyon> Aww
13:59:14 <Halcyon> You need a foot rub
13:59:48 <Ampera> fuck no
14:00:01 <Halcyon> Why the hell not?
14:00:07 <Ampera> I've just spent the last 12+ hours doing nothing but compressing my feet continually
14:00:15 <Ampera> the last thing I need is for them to be squeezed more
14:00:20 <Halcyon> A massage is different stupid
14:00:32 <Ampera> they just need to sit, set, relax, and do nothing for a while
14:00:38 <Halcyon> Do that then
14:00:39 <Ampera> idc, I don't want one
14:00:42 <Ampera> I am
14:00:44 <Halcyon> Good
14:02:20 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-PORTABLE-COMPUTER-TRS-80-Model-100-C-1983-First-Laptop/153635449201?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190805154545%26meid%3D537fdbfc919e40beb3a9ac6af9efcb87%26pid%3D100037%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D352583417729%26itm%3D153635449201%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100037.m2107
14:02:25 <Halcyon> Is that an accoustic coupler?
14:02:42 <Ampera> Yep
14:02:48 <Halcyon> That's neat
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14:02:59 <Ampera> The reason for the acoustic coupler is actually quite strange
14:03:07 <Halcyon> Mmm ?
14:03:15 <Ampera> because in the US we had it so that you weren't basically allowed to plug anything into the phone line except a telephone
14:03:20 <Ampera> or face the wrath of the bell company
14:03:21 <Guest|22746> i have kind of a nerdy question i don't see easily on google, but is there a way to get some idea for how the math scales down to circuits when it comes to electric fields and magnetism
14:03:29 <Halcyon> Right
14:03:51 <Guest|22746> like we see V = IR for ohms law but is that just some simple case or manifestation of a general phenomenon that happens to show up in circuits that way
14:04:10 <Ampera> Guest|22746, it has to do with the pressure of a body of elections
14:04:22 <Guest|22746> like what if we made traces really big or thick or something and did the same stuff
14:04:23 <Ampera> the water pipe model is often quite popular
14:04:30 <Guest|22746> yeah the water pipe thing i see a lot
14:04:42 <Ampera> what happens if you make a pipe really big?
14:04:48 <Guest|22746> but i can't tell if it's just a simplification of a general case
14:04:55 <Guest|22746> or if this thing is true even if we generalize to arbitrary shapes
14:05:03 <Ampera> then it becomes harder to push the water through it if you have a little, but if you have a lot, it becomes easier
14:05:19 <Ampera> anyways, while I'd love to answer questions I have to crash
14:05:19 <EEVBlog> 42, Ampera!
14:05:25 <Ampera> Yay! Payload!
14:05:28 <Guest|22746> lol
14:05:40 <Ampera> good night
14:05:42 <Halcyon> Woow
14:05:47 <Halcyon> Good night Ampera
14:05:49 <Halcyon> Talk tomorrow
14:09:57 <Guest|22746> maybe i got here too late lol, are there any resources for learning this stuff?
14:10:06 <Guest|22746> i've tried the water pipe stuff but i just don't get it, i feel stupid
14:10:21 <Halcyon> I'm guessing there would be but it's not really my field so not sure where to point you.
14:10:25 <Halcyon> Have you tried asking in the forum itself?
14:10:54 <Guest|22746> didn't know where was appropriate to ask without a bunch of people just yelling at me for asking something dumb
14:11:07 <Halcyon> No question is a dumb question
14:11:17 <Halcyon> Most people on the forum are really helpful
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17:38:01 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
18:26:48 <Stiff> chops on the bbq weber
18:26:54 * Stiff drools
18:27:00 <Halcyon> Nom
18:27:09 <Halcyon> I'm making spaghetti bolognese
18:27:34 <Stiff> timeless classic right there!
18:27:48 <Stiff> with a side of garlic bread?
18:27:52 <Halcyon> The sauce has been in the slow cooker since 1000
18:28:09 <Halcyon> Normally yes but I didn't buy bread to make it :-(
18:28:15 <Stiff> ohhhh wow
18:28:35 <Stiff> tell me about your sauce? everyone is different
18:28:51 <Halcyon> I can send you my recipe if you like?
18:29:12 <Halcyon> It's very classic but has room to add extra veges if you wish.
18:29:36 <Halcyon> Tonight I added finely chopped egg plant and frozen corn kernels into the mix
18:35:44 <Halcyon> Stiff: https://pastebin.com/g6uv5cyy
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19:30:41 <Stiff> sorry halcyon just tried to accept
19:30:50 <Stiff> too busy with the chops lol
19:31:00 <Stiff> thanks for the link :)
19:31:13 <Halcyon> All good
19:31:18 <Halcyon> It was delicious
19:39:35 <Stiff> it does sound delicious, this will be one of my meals sometime this week
19:40:41 <Halcyon> The recipe I sent you is for stove top cooking. But can easily be adapted for the slow cooker. I cooked it for 9 hours on high (with the lid off for the last 2 hours to thicken it)
19:41:05 <Halcyon> Also, I used vegetable stock instead of beef tonight as that's all I had. It's very adaptable.
19:41:32 <Stiff> nah thats perfect most of our meals are stove top these days
19:42:01 <Halcyon> Just word of warning, it's not a recipe to rush. Take the time, I reckon 3 hours minimum on the stove.
19:42:28 <Halcyon> Otherwise you end up with the tomatos not broken down enough
19:42:40 <Stiff> well better start as soon as i get home lol
19:42:52 <Stiff> we eat tea around 6.30 because of the kids
19:43:06 <Halcyon> Haha, also those quanties make a large batch (enough for 2 packs of pasta). Halve it if you don't want leftovers.
19:43:23 <Stiff> smoko for lunch ;)
19:43:32 <Halcyon> Hahah
19:43:41 <Halcyon> It freezes well though
19:43:47 <Halcyon> Which I often do for work
19:44:09 <Stiff> yeah its so handy i have about 15 little frozen tubs for my oldest
19:44:25 <Halcyon> How old is your eldest kid?
19:44:39 <Stiff> his 4 loves his wagon wheels
19:44:45 <Halcyon> Hahaha
19:44:51 <Stiff> red spag and wagon wheels
19:45:07 <Halcyon> I would probably halve the recipe then. It does make a lot of sauce.
19:45:09 <Stiff> would eat it every night if he was allowed to
21:04:56 <steve30> hi
21:06:37 * steve30 had a nice sleep :)
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