// #eevblog — 2019-09-06
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03:47:44 <Nothing\> oh weird, i'm still in here
03:47:51 <Nothing\> i don't usually leave irc on overnight
03:48:04 <Nothing\> don't want you guys stealing my thoughts while i sleep
03:48:04 <rust_collector> nope, you went away a few hours ago
03:49:08 <Nothing\> hrm something's using up cpu as well, that's weird cuz i only have irc and... ohhh crap i left a web irc client open that's why
03:49:18 <Nothing\> i hate web clients, but xchat's being a bitch lately
03:49:36 <Nothing\> my menu bar disappeared and i have no clue how to get it back, so i can't do anything with it
03:51:06 <rust_collector> uhm, ctrl+F9
04:01:55 <rust_collector> I used to like xchat, I only use irssi now, because I don't need anything fancy
04:06:26 <Nothing\> ugh
04:06:57 <Nothing\> this guy i'm talking to is citing this article about how you can use a 9v battery and a sponge soaked in salt water to stimulate parts of your brain to improve... i dunno, stuff?
04:07:02 <Nothing\> a la transcranial stimulation
04:07:23 <rust_collector> oh, right
04:07:28 <Nothing\> but it seems to me, the impedance of your skin, skull and any brain matter between the battery and the target will be too high for a simple 9vdc to get through
04:08:03 <rust_collector> yeah, jumper cables and a wall outlet will do
04:08:09 <Nothing\> not to mention the idea is akin to using a shotgun to kill a fly, you're going to affect other parts of the brain, IF it did anything to begin with
04:08:35 <Nothing\> heh speaking of outlets
04:08:57 <Nothing\> i was thinking yesterday, if you're testing current from mains voltages on a multimeter, well meters i've seen are usually fused for 10amps
04:09:01 <rust_collector> well, the battery is just there to confuse people, it is just a sponge with salt water
04:09:27 <Nothing\> so i'm thinking, 240v at 10amps would be like cramming a space heater into your meter, there's gotta be some sort of power limit on meters but i don't think i've ever seen such a limit listed
04:09:36 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector
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04:54:15 <Dustin> I have a Fluke 12B and it started having an issue that I can't find any information on how to troubleshoot. It works fine for everything except when I use the continuity test. When I use that mode even just touching the leads to each other causes it to beep and the screen flashes with everything lit up, basically resetting, and it repeats this unti
04:54:15 <Dustin> l there is no longer continuity. Everything else resistance, capacitance, voltage… all seem to work as expected. How do I fix this?
04:55:12 <Dustin> This is the service manual for it: https://dam-assets.fluke.com/s3fs-public/12b187xxsmeng0000.pdf
05:32:38 <T3sl4> heh, crazy
05:32:49 <T3sl4> it's not just, like... super low on battery, and browning out, is it?
05:47:45 <Dustin> Just tested the battery and its at 8.97v but I'll try a new one and see
05:49:15 <Ampera> Have you tried throwing it at the wall while screaming?
05:49:35 <Dustin> not yet, but soon haha
05:49:50 <Ampera> That's how my mom fixed me when my lights started blinking on and off and I started acting up when put in continuity mode.
05:50:11 <Ampera> eevblog time
05:50:11 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 05:50 Sydney time.
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10:43:35 <Halcyon> Mew
10:46:26 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:46:32 <Halcyon> Heya
10:47:04 <Ampera> how do
10:47:43 <Halcyon> Good
10:47:46 <Halcyon> How was school?
10:48:28 <Ampera> I walked around 5-6 miles today
10:48:33 <Halcyon> Nice
10:48:48 <Ampera> about 10km
10:49:06 <Halcyon> Decent distance
10:50:03 <Ampera> with about 15-20lbs (about 8kg) on my back
10:51:06 <Halcyon> I have to go to the dentist in an hour :(
10:51:13 <Ampera> oh I don't mind the dentist
10:51:22 <Halcyon> It's just for a clean
10:51:28 <Halcyon> But I still don't *like* going
10:51:49 <Ampera> particularly since I haven't brushed my teeth in years and he always says I'm doing excellent, but my dad brushes his religiously and often has problems
10:53:50 <Halcyon> Yes but there is a huge age difference
10:53:58 <Halcyon> Issues don't generally manifest until you're older
10:54:36 <Ampera> I know
12:49:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! A Really Basic GCC Compiler Bug! https://t.co/WFgR3IIplf
12:58:48 <steve30> hi Halcyon
13:12:07 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
13:12:13 <Halcyon> I'm back from the dentist
13:26:29 <steve30> how was it?
13:27:44 * steve30 coffees
13:35:17 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon
13:38:59 <Halcyon> It was fine, he was very gentle
13:39:15 <Halcyon> I just hate the ultrasonic thing, I can hear it in my ears, it's a weird sensation
13:40:56 <Halcyon> The good news is all my widom teeth are out and not causing problems, so no need to have any removed \o/
13:42:15 <steve30> I haven't had my teeth cleaned by a dentist in ages
13:42:28 <Halcyon> Neither had I, it's been several years.
13:42:43 <Halcyon> I'm a bad boy
13:42:53 <Halcyon> I need to start going every 6 months or so
13:42:58 <steve30> I could probably do with a dental check up in the forseeable future, but I sacked my last dentist.
13:43:23 <Halcyon> This guy is a new dentist that opened up just up the road from me, but I was impressed
13:44:05 <Halcyon> Very friendly, the staff were good. He clearly knew what he was doing. The last dentist I went to kept getting my gums with the ultrasonic tip, and it friggin hurts
13:47:29 <steve30> I'm going out for a coffee this morning
13:47:56 <Halcyon> With anyone/
13:47:57 <Halcyon> ?
13:48:05 <steve30> yeah
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13:48:41 <Halcyon> A date?
13:48:57 <steve30> nope
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13:49:06 <steve30> He has a 'girlfriend'
13:49:11 <Halcyon> Oh ?
13:49:17 <Halcyon> Sooo... a friend?
13:49:22 <Halcyon> Or someone you've met
13:49:39 <steve30> I knew him from college years ago
13:49:46 <Halcyon> You suspect he is curious?
13:50:52 <steve30> No, he's someone I go out for coffee with. Nothing questionable :p
13:52:08 <Halcyon> ;-)
13:52:09 <Halcyon> Nice
13:52:20 <Halcyon> My shoulder hurts :(
13:52:33 <steve30> aww
13:52:49 * steve30 climbs up Halcyon's shoulder and purrs
13:53:04 <Halcyon> Heh, I just slept weird
13:53:12 <Halcyon> Woke up stiff
13:53:18 <Halcyon> (not in the good way)
13:55:11 <steve30> I'm seeing fetish-guy on saturday
13:55:28 <Halcyon> Need a bit more abuse?
13:55:53 <steve30> hehe
14:01:27 <steve30> I think I'll go and snuggle up in my duvet for an hour or so
14:41:00 <Halcyon> I need someone to rub my shoulder
16:22:05 <Stiff> ?
16:26:45 <steve30> Hi Stiff. Halcyon was just saying that he woke you up :p
17:20:00 <DogWomble> /me peers in
17:20:23 <Halcyon> :P
17:20:41 <Halcyon> How was your nap steve30 ?
17:24:26 <DogWomble> well i just woke up myself, slept a bit longer than i intended to
17:24:36 <Halcyon> I had a nap this afternoo
17:24:37 <Halcyon> n
17:26:30 <steve30> good thanks
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18:08:54 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera, you awake?
18:14:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Went right through the xray machine, no worries. https://t.co/a1Cx1Py1nA
19:37:32 <K> hello
20:04:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, I am now
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21:32:04 <Halcyon> Ampera
21:32:07 <Halcyon> I was thinking of something
21:32:11 <Ampera> uh oh
21:32:19 <Ampera> stop doing that, you'll make your head hurt
21:32:32 <Halcyon> Could you make an "appliance" that would feed false info to Google (search results etc...)
21:32:44 <Halcyon> To deliberately fuck with their algorithm and locations
21:32:46 <Ampera> to do what
21:32:52 <Ampera> in what way
21:33:22 <Halcyon> Well Google bases it's location based on your IP and search queries (if it can't get a GPS fix from a device/user account)
21:33:23 <Ampera> If you mean do shit like fudge and randomize search results, sorta kinda, and then also no.
21:34:16 <Halcyon> So basically have 2 lists, one for "locations" one for "queries"
21:34:32 <Halcyon> And the script randomly picks one from each lis
21:34:32 <Halcyon> t
21:34:33 <Ampera> Yeah, do you have a spare 100,000 node botnet?
21:34:50 <Halcyon> No, just a single client
21:34:57 <Halcyon> That I can host here
21:35:24 <Ampera> Google has methods to prevent search tailoring abuse, unless you have enough IPs to drown them, no amount of GPS fudging or specialization of packets or anything will be able to do anything.
21:35:52 <Halcyon> I specifically want to generate "traffic" from my single IP
21:35:57 <Ampera> You can't.
21:36:08 <Halcyon> Why not? I can do it as a human, why not automate it?
21:36:21 <Halcyon> For example, search for Canberra + Bars
21:36:21 <Ampera> purely because google likely has a huge ass algorithm to ensure people don't do exactly what you're trying to do.
21:36:46 <Ampera> Also note that if /you/ search for something a lot, it will give /you/ different results.
21:36:56 <Halcyon> Unless you smash the API, it can't destinguish between human and machine
21:37:02 <Halcyon> Small numbers of queries
21:37:10 <Ampera> It's just not possible.
21:37:19 <Halcyon> I don't see how it isn't?
21:37:34 <Ampera> Google deals with millions of requests a day, to make even a drop in that bucket for a specific search query would be stupidly hard, and would not be possible from just one IP
21:37:48 <Halcyon> No, you don't understand
21:38:01 <Halcyon> I want to change my "IP's" location
21:38:06 <Ampera> Because when google sees 1000 requests from 1 IP, it would be the exploit of the fucking year if it treated that as 1000 people
21:38:12 <Halcyon> All Google can base it on is search queries
21:38:26 <Halcyon> I has no other info, it just "estimates" it based on my searches
21:38:31 <Ampera> No it can't, there is specific tech for geographic IP lookup.
21:38:38 <Halcyon> I'm talking like 10 requests an hour or two
21:38:40 <Ampera> That's not true.
21:38:43 <Halcyon> Geo IP sucks
21:38:55 <Halcyon> Geo IP lookup places me in "Australia"
21:39:06 <Halcyon> Sometimes Melbourne
21:39:13 <Ampera> That's what they use, and then /might/ narrow it down a tiny bit based on searches
21:39:14 <Halcyon> Google specifically doesn't rely on it
21:39:21 <Halcyon> No they don't, they use search results
21:39:21 <Ampera> For me it always places me in my city, or one city over.
21:39:36 <Halcyon> If it can't get a GPS fix, it uses user input
21:40:02 <Ampera> Then why don't you give it a different GPS fix
21:40:04 <Ampera> or use a VPN
21:40:11 <Halcyon> I don't give it GPS fixes
21:40:20 <Halcyon> So it relies on search results
21:40:24 <Halcyon> VPN is slow
21:40:46 <Ampera> Then give it a GPS fix
21:40:47 <Halcyon> Even then, over time it will "learn" that a specific IP is based somewhere based on searches
21:41:00 <Halcyon> How can I do that on PC?
21:41:03 <Ampera> since the IP is broad and search results can be whatever, then giving it another GPS fix might give you different search results.
21:41:07 <Ampera> Easily, because you're on Linux
21:41:22 <Ampera> which is exactly the same thing Android uses for its kernel, and has much of the same hardware interfacing and even drivers
21:41:27 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GPS
21:41:27 <K> i wouldn't put it past google to know more about geo location of your IP than they show you
21:41:28 <Halcyon> I don't care about affecting search results
21:41:44 <Ampera> http://jlk.fjfi.cvut.cz/arch/manpages/man/gpsfake.1.en
21:41:48 <Halcyon> K: I get law enforcement access, I know how much they log
21:41:56 <Halcyon> I just want to fudge those details at home
21:42:19 <Ampera> So if you don't want to change your search results what do you want to change?
21:42:30 <Halcyon> Where Google "places" my IP address
21:42:37 <Halcyon> I dont care if the results change
21:42:42 <Ampera> Then give it a GPS fix
21:42:57 <K> then there is something very different happening in where you are, because here google places me not just in the same city, but precisely in the part of city as well
21:43:10 <K> based on IP only
21:43:21 <Ampera> K, that's possibly a GPS fix and you just don't know
21:43:24 <Halcyon> K: Do you use Wi-Fi on your phone and your phone signs into a Google account?
21:43:25 <Ampera> as GPS info is shared across devices
21:43:26 <K> no gps on my mac
21:43:29 <K> dsl line
21:43:37 <K> no wifi
21:43:39 <Ampera> yeah but if you have an android phone and turn the GPS on once ever, it will know
21:43:44 <K> no android phone
21:43:54 <Halcyon> iPhone does the same
21:44:14 <Halcyon> It's all to do with data association
21:44:15 <Ampera> I've had IP geos place me as close as a few streets away, no GPS
21:44:19 <Ampera> so it can get fairly close.
21:44:19 <K> i have nokia 6300
21:44:30 <Halcyon> Linking searches with IPs with users with devices etc...
21:45:08 <Ampera> Why do you want to do this anyways?
21:45:16 <Halcyon> Reasons
21:45:22 <Ampera> right
21:45:26 <Halcyon> And because I can
21:45:30 <Ampera> right
21:45:52 <K> well, you currently you can not
21:46:00 <Ampera> anyways, take a look at the links I sent you, that should get you set up with a manner to fake GPS locations in Linux, so long as your browser supports GPS input on Linux
21:46:09 <Halcyon> I shall
21:46:10 <Ampera> I'm fairly sure chromium does, firefox might, and I'd be impressed if Opera can.
21:46:25 <K> i wonder how google would react when gps does not match with geo ip location
21:47:14 <Halcyon> K: It slowly adjusts
21:47:14 <Ampera> K, presumably so long as it's not in an entirely different country, it would have some leeway
21:47:31 <Halcyon> It "learns" based on a number of inputs
21:47:37 <Ampera> be back in like 20 minutes
22:48:38 <steve30> hi
22:49:40 <K> hello
22:52:25 * steve30 has cheese on toast
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