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01:29:19 * steve30 was just playing with some Sellotape brand velcro.
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07:05:35 <coppice> somewhere there is probably some Velcro branded sellotape
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10:00:46 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
10:00:57 <steve30> morning Halcyon
10:01:08 <Halcyon> How are you?
10:02:20 <steve30> OK thanks
10:02:37 <steve30> I'm looking forward to bed time, but I don't know when I'll actually be tired enough to sleep
10:02:48 <Halcyon> Awww
10:02:55 <steve30> I had to go to sleep for a few hours in the afternoon as I was tired earlier
10:03:03 <Halcyon> I'm about to go to the hardware store. I need to get some decking oil to re-do my deck
10:05:07 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
11:22:03 <Halcyon> Aww *cuddles*
11:22:07 <Halcyon> I'm back from the store
11:22:22 <steve30> yay
11:22:42 <Halcyon> I love going to the hardware store. There are always cute guys working there
11:23:25 <steve30> cute guys at a hardware store? really?
11:23:30 <steve30> Don't get that here.
11:23:31 <Halcyon> Yeh all the time
11:23:39 <Halcyon> Usually young guys
11:23:51 <steve30> There was a cute guy at the swimming pool though :p
11:24:09 <Halcyon> That would have been better, at least at the pool they are half/barely clothed
11:24:17 <Halcyon> At the hardware store, they are in shorts and a shirt
11:24:44 <steve30> Our local independant hardware store is staffed by women
11:25:05 <Halcyon> Lesbians ?
11:25:06 <Halcyon> :P
11:25:16 <steve30> I highly doubt it
11:25:31 <Halcyon> I usually see lesbians shopping when I go there
11:25:35 <Halcyon> It seems to be a "thing"
11:26:09 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
11:26:18 <steve30> I don't go there any more. After numerous years of custom, they decided that I'm the "wrong kind of person" to be a customer there. So they can shove it.
11:26:46 <steve30> Yeah, I think lesbians are more likely at a hardware store than gays
11:27:02 <Halcyon> They wha?
11:27:19 <Halcyon> I see gays in Ikea all the time
11:28:13 <steve30> I can imagine gays in Ikea
11:28:32 <Halcyon> Always gay couples there, it's rather cute actually
11:28:59 <Halcyon> Actually I need to go to Ikea at some stage to get some kitchen things
11:29:17 <steve30> My Mum is getting some new drawers from Ikea
11:29:46 <Halcyon> I could spend a lot of money in Ikea
11:29:57 <Halcyon> When I go, I just have to get in and out otherwise I buy things
11:31:02 <Ampera> Halcyon, why you ignore
11:31:10 <Halcyon> Anyway I should get started on this deck. This weekend is the perfect weather for it, 25 degrees today and tomorrow will be a little warmer.
11:31:19 <Halcyon> Oh hey Amps, sorry I didn't see
11:31:20 <Halcyon> Love you
11:31:23 <Ampera> ew gay
11:31:32 <steve30> You don't want to help me sleep instead?
11:31:42 <Halcyon> It's 1130 here, so not really :P
11:31:54 <steve30> :(
11:31:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm sleeping at my mom's
11:32:07 <Ampera> I tore my dad's head off.
11:32:09 <Halcyon> I'd actually rather be outside today, not a cloud in the sky and no breeze at all, it's just stunning
11:32:19 <Halcyon> How did he respond?
11:32:45 <Ampera> uh
11:32:48 <Halcyon> I suspect he just brushed you off and ignored everything?
11:32:52 <Ampera> No.
11:32:55 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's decking and relaxes
11:33:03 <Ampera> I mean I screamed at him, and he's rather submissive.
11:33:06 <Ampera> He's a pretty weak guy.
11:33:09 <Halcyon> No cat, get off :P I need to wash it
11:33:17 <Halcyon> Did you need to scream at him though?
11:33:20 <Ampera> Yes.
11:33:20 <steve30> Meow :p
11:33:27 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
11:33:32 <Ampera> It's a long story, but he's basically being manipulated by his girlfriend.
11:33:38 <Halcyon> Yeh I got that
11:33:42 <Halcyon> What did he say?
11:33:52 <Ampera> Well, do you want me to go through it all?
11:34:05 <Halcyon> You've told me up to the point where she is moving in
11:34:14 <Halcyon> And how she's homeless and is just an overall bad person
11:34:17 <Ampera> well he tells us nothing.
11:34:33 <Ampera> For months he would leave the house and tell nobody when, why, where, or for how long.
11:34:44 <Halcyon> Is he on drugs?
11:34:47 <Ampera> He'd even refuse to tell us on occasion where he's going, by trying to brush us off, and act as if we don't need to know.
11:34:54 <Ampera> Lol, antidepressants.
11:35:01 <Halcyon> I mean illcit drugs
11:35:04 <Ampera> Uh
11:35:23 <Halcyon> It's a serious questio
11:35:24 <Halcyon> n
11:35:36 <Halcyon> If he's ducking off to random places and sneaking around, do you think it's possible?
11:35:45 <Ampera> No he's not.
11:35:48 <Ampera> There's no evidence of that.
11:35:51 <Halcyon> Okies
11:35:55 <Halcyon> Well that's good then
11:36:02 <Ampera> What I was going uh about is he gets sort of home remedy pills and shit from amazon
11:36:13 <Ampera> you know, the juice of some abstract fruit that will solve all your problems sort of shit.
11:36:17 <Halcyon> So basically expensive nothing pills
11:36:23 <Ampera> The issue is that he's incredibly gullible, and will follow the directions of almost anyone.
11:36:42 <Ampera> aye
11:36:57 <Ampera> He lies, he fibs.
11:38:11 <Halcyon> Well usually people lie for a reason. He probably knows deep down that what he is doing is wrong/shameful etc... and he has to lie about it.
11:38:22 <Ampera> No, that's not it.
11:38:27 <Halcyon> Then what is it?
11:38:29 <Ampera> He's not smart enough to do that, he's lying to maintain his world view.
11:38:39 <Halcyon> Which is
11:38:40 <Halcyon> ?
11:38:41 <Ampera> He wants the entire world to go his way, and if it doesn't, he literally can't deal with it.,
11:38:52 <Halcyon> Well tough cookies
11:39:02 <Halcyon> That's the way the world works, I'm amazed some people don't seem to realise that
11:39:13 <Ampera> He's incredibly arrogant and self-centered too. His politics for example, he almost vilifies anyone he disagrees with beyond triviality.
11:39:21 <Halcyon> Right
11:39:26 <Halcyon> I'm starting to get your dad now
11:39:38 <Ampera> He got /really/ injured by my mom leaving him
11:39:45 <Ampera> and was really hurting, and turned to facebook
11:39:54 <Ampera> which is where his girlfriend caught on and started fucking with him.
11:40:07 <Ampera> Desparate tech guy with money is probably a lighthouse for people like that.
11:42:10 <Halcyon> Yep
11:42:18 <Halcyon> So how did he take your little "talk" with him?
11:42:24 <Ampera> Well
11:42:38 <Ampera> As I said he's really submissive, but he tries to stand up sometimes.
11:42:48 <Ampera> When I was young, big daddy saying go to your room used to be really intimidating
11:43:00 <Ampera> but now I'm younger, fitter, and potentially stronger than he is. I'm also much older
11:43:16 <Ampera> so he started playing the really cheesy /don't disrespect me, why are you being so mean to me, wtf why are you screaming/ kinda shit
11:43:24 <Ampera> you're acting like a child bullshit
11:43:32 <Ampera> but then as I started laying thing after thing on him
11:43:32 <Halcyon> Yep, standard stuff
11:43:54 <Ampera> and basically I said within the entire 17 years I've been alive I've never gotten pissed like this at him, and that this was the one thing I'm nailing him for
11:44:13 <Ampera> After that he started having that sink into him
11:44:22 <Halcyon> Mmmhmm good
11:44:29 <Ampera> Idk how much, but I think I hurt him at least a bit, which is what i wanted
11:44:36 <Ampera> but I don't think I tore down his universe just yet
11:44:39 <Ampera> which was the goal
11:44:58 <Halcyon> Let him absorb and think about it, this might be enough to get him to think about how she is treating him
11:45:04 <Halcyon> It's better if he comes to the conclusion himself
11:45:06 <Ampera> He's thick, he's slow
11:45:13 <Ampera> I don't think this would have been enough
11:45:27 <Halcyon> Maybe not, but you chip away at it. It won't happen overnight
11:45:32 <Ampera> I mean I know my dad, he gets pulled every which way.
11:45:44 <Ampera> That's the hope, but I don't intend to be any less calm about it than I was tonight.
11:46:18 <Ampera> The crux of the conversation, though, was this
11:46:37 <Ampera> I was railing on him for never telling anyone where he's going, what he's doing, or even that his girlfriend is effectively moving in.
11:46:57 <Ampera> He said, literally, that we don't need to know (his children, pre-adult) where he's going or what he's doing
11:47:03 <Ampera> Or who is in the house
11:47:43 <Ampera> You know, the real responsible shit that all parents /need/ to do
11:47:48 <Halcyon> Well that I disagree with. He wants you guys to grow up, he needs to set the example
11:48:09 <Ampera> That's not an example.
11:48:16 <Ampera> That is leaving us alone with no means to contact him in an emergency
11:48:20 <Ampera> No means to know where he's going
11:48:27 <Halcyon> Yes, all that stuff
11:48:28 <Ampera> None of that
11:48:43 <Ampera> This is horrifically important stuff
11:49:33 <Halcyon> Was he young when he had kids?
11:49:38 <Ampera> No.
11:49:42 <Halcyon> Hm
11:49:43 <Ampera> 20's
11:49:59 <Halcyon> I mean if it's early 20's I'd call that young
11:50:07 <Ampera> He's 73 I'm 02, do the math
11:50:08 <Halcyon> 22 year olds have mostly NFI about life
11:50:27 <Ampera> 46 right now, iirc
11:50:59 <Halcyon> Will you be on for a bit?
11:51:13 <Ampera> maybe
11:51:15 <Ampera> going to bed soon
11:51:22 <Halcyon> What is "soon" ?
11:51:29 <Ampera> like
11:51:31 <Ampera> 30 mintes
11:51:33 <Ampera> *minutes
11:51:41 <Halcyon> Oh OK, I'll hang about until then
11:51:56 <Halcyon> I need to get this deck done so it has enough time to dry etc... before the next stage
11:52:08 <Ampera> Well idk what else you wanna talk about
11:52:11 <Ampera> how's your brid?
11:52:55 <Halcyon> Jerry? He's good
11:53:01 <Halcyon> Keeps injuring himself though the idiot
11:53:18 <Halcyon> He'll fly off your shoulder (even though he can't fly properly yet) and breaks a feather
11:53:23 <Ampera> :/
11:53:25 <Halcyon> Birds have "blood feathers" so they bleed
11:53:27 <Ampera> poor birdy
11:53:30 <Halcyon> Yeh
11:53:33 <Ampera> I had KFC for dinner
11:53:37 <Halcyon> Nom
11:53:40 <Halcyon> What did you have?
11:53:42 <Ampera> they're stupid expensive
11:53:51 <Ampera> 5pc leg/thigh original with a large wedge fry
11:53:55 <Ampera> 16 USD
11:54:05 <Ampera> 24 AUD
11:54:22 <Halcyon> I just watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dniAaI79K24
11:54:30 <Halcyon> It looks so fucking bad but so good
11:54:43 <Ampera> I know him
11:54:47 <Halcyon> All of the deep fried goodness
11:54:57 <Halcyon> You know him personally?
11:54:58 <Ampera> My disappointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined.
11:55:04 <Ampera> I know of him
11:55:07 <Halcyon> Ah
11:55:29 <Halcyon> I'm yet to work out if he's gay or just quirky
11:55:37 <Ampera> he's a fucking faggot
11:55:38 <Halcyon> I'm thinking the latter
11:55:41 <Halcyon> Oh?
11:56:01 <Halcyon> Honestly, not sure I'
11:56:07 <Halcyon> d be eating that stuff in a nice suit
11:57:01 <Halcyon> I think of him as an American version of steve30
11:57:02 <Halcyon> :P
11:57:07 <Ampera> brb switching to hexchat/xpra
11:58:02 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, I meant to ask you... this udiskie thing is doing some odd thing...
11:58:08 <Ampera> standby
11:58:20 <steve30> hmm, I can see why halcyon likens that youtube guy to me
11:58:42 <Halcyon> steve30, I hope you take it as a compliment, I think you're both cute. I go for nerdy guys :P
11:59:46 <steve30> Makes a change to see someone on the internet wearing a tie.
12:00:15 <Halcyon> That's why I don't mind his channel, he brings a touch of class to what is normally dancing cats and clickbait
12:01:28 <Ampera> hexchat was going nuts
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12:01:41 <Halcyon> Aw
12:01:48 <Ampera> What is it doing?
12:02:34 <steve30> Apparently he has a 'skincare routine' So, I guessing gay.
12:02:37 <Halcyon> I'll call you on Discord
12:02:41 <Ampera> can't
12:02:45 <Halcyon> Poop
12:02:51 <Ampera> if you need to call on discord it has to wait until tomorrow, about the same time
12:02:56 <Halcyon> OK, well you know the icon that sits in the bottom "tray" area?
12:03:00 <Ampera> yes
12:03:05 <Ampera> does it keep duplicating?
12:03:11 <Halcyon> Ever so often it creates a new instance
12:03:11 <Halcyon> Yes
12:03:18 <Ampera> that's normal
12:03:24 <Halcyon> ... OK?
12:03:29 <Ampera> it's using the windowmaker startup script, so windowmaker will occasionally reset itself
12:03:34 <Ampera> you can just close the extra instances
12:03:36 <Halcyon> Right
12:03:41 <Ampera> to fix it
12:03:50 <Ampera> you know how you have the startjack and startpulse things in there?
12:03:51 <Halcyon> It just a little annoying because I get heaps of them after a few days
12:04:00 <Halcyon> In the menu?
12:04:11 <Ampera> well those scripts are designed to check if a program is not running to ensure that there aren't mutliple instances
12:04:15 <Ampera> *multiple
12:04:23 <Ampera> /usr/bin/startjack
12:04:32 <Ampera> You can easily modify the script to do the same thing here
12:04:34 <steve30> Now I want food
12:04:37 <Halcyon> Right
12:04:41 <Halcyon> I'll take a look at it
12:04:45 <Halcyon> What are you getting Steve?
12:04:47 <Ampera> you just need to run something like htop or mate-system-monitor to see what the process name is
12:05:01 <Ampera> and then make a new script like /usr/bin/start<programname>
12:05:03 <Ampera> make it executable
12:05:06 <Halcyon> It's 0300 there Steve
12:05:32 <steve30> I wouldn't mind some toast, but I haven't made any bread for a few days
12:05:34 <Ampera> and copy the startjack script into it, change the process name, and remove all the jackd related content and replace it with whatever is in ~/GNUStep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart for that program
12:05:34 <Halcyon> Thanks, I'll fiddle with that
12:05:44 <Ampera> The process name I think is actually the command name
12:05:48 <Ampera> so you can try that first
12:05:54 <Halcyon> Okies
12:06:48 <Ampera> How is WindowMaker doing for you anyways, Halcyon?
12:06:55 <Halcyon> Yeh it's fine
12:06:59 <Ampera> you said you didn't like it and wanted to change, but I'm guessing that's no longer the case
12:07:20 <Halcyon> It's not that I don't like it, it's just not as easy as some of the more popular ones
12:07:26 <Halcyon> I've persisted with it though
12:07:29 <Halcyon> It does the job
12:07:30 <Ampera> It's not hard, it's just quirky
12:07:43 <Ampera> I like it's particular design though, I find it's simple, minimalistic, and does everything you'd want it to
12:09:43 <Halcyon> I'm giving it a go
12:09:51 <Halcyon> Can't say I've had any real problems with it
12:10:11 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to get started on this deck, I'll be back soon
12:10:20 <Halcyon> Goodnight Ampera if I don't talk to you before tomorrow
12:10:45 <Ampera> alright
12:10:50 <Ampera> have a good day, Halcyon
12:10:55 <Halcyon> Will do
12:10:56 <Halcyon> xo
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12:28:47 <DogWomble> ooh, sushi!
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13:54:27 <Halcyon> Right, deck is clean
13:54:36 <Halcyon> Just got to wait for it to dry so I can oil it
14:00:38 <gremlinz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0
14:00:56 <Halcyon> Hah yes, I've seen it :P
14:01:25 <Halcyon> I'm using Cabots though :P
14:02:44 <gremlinz> i was going to say that then i remembered that yt ad :D
14:06:08 <Halcyon> I wish I could invite you to sit on my deck gremlinz
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15:42:47 <damian> https://youtu.be/MyKp7fiXkws?t=412
15:42:50 <damian> hey electronic nerds
15:42:56 <Halcyon> Hey Damo
15:42:57 <damian> can one of you tell me what he's doing here with that gooey stuff?
15:43:01 <damian> wassaP!
15:43:09 <Halcyon> Flux?
15:43:29 <damian> i don't know
15:43:37 <damian> i mean, i know what he's doing .. he's melting the solder, but what is the gooey stuff
15:43:51 <Halcyon> It helps clean PCBs and prepare them for solder
15:44:02 <T3sl4> he's jizzing
15:44:03 <Halcyon> Helps solder flow as well
15:44:11 <damian> ah, a cleaner
15:44:41 <damian> oh wtf, he's soldering underneath that stuff
15:44:43 <damian> magic
15:44:57 <Halcyon> It boils off (mostly)
15:45:06 <T3sl4> or blows away under the hot air
15:45:15 <Halcyon> Yup
15:45:24 <Halcyon> T3sl4 knows more than I
15:45:48 <T3sl4> but yeah, chemically it's an organic acid that doesn't boil away too quickly, but bonds with the metal oxides, leaving a pure metal surface that can be shiny and mobile and stick to other similarly cleaned metals
15:46:07 <damian> very interesting
15:46:07 <damian> thanks
15:46:09 <T3sl4> we wouldn't need the stuff if we didn't have all this pesky oxygen in the atmosphere, but, ah...
15:47:51 <damian> i just dont understand how he solders so easily
15:47:51 <damian> lol
15:48:04 <T3sl4> that hot air must be cranked to 11
15:48:05 <damian> i walways thought you had to do each individual part by itself, not just run across them sideways and bam
15:48:28 <Halcyon> You can run an iron or hot air over multiple pins
15:48:38 <damian> but to resolder them
15:48:45 <T3sl4> QFNs are terribly hard to short pins on
15:48:46 <damian> he just scraped away all of the solder and then resoldered
15:48:56 <T3sl4> the solder balls up on the pins pretty well
15:49:15 <T3sl4> leaded parts are easy to short, the solder wicks up the pins
15:49:34 <T3sl4> (for which you usually drag solder it anyway, leaving shorts, then use clean solder wick to remove the excess)
15:51:01 <damian> i wish i were a lot better with electronics
15:51:29 <Halcyon> You can always learn damian
15:51:32 <Halcyon> Never too old
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15:51:42 <damian> nah, i don't have patience or enough actual interest
15:51:53 <Halcyon> Even if you just watch some of Dave's teardown videos, I've learnt SO much
15:51:55 <damian> i get frustrated dealing with small things like that, because my hands sweat profusely, constantly
15:52:35 <damian> yeah, most videos like this i understand what's going, though i couldn't do or explain it myself
17:01:36 <gremlinz> i wish i cud too Halcyon
17:01:51 <gremlinz> id <3 to see your deck
17:20:03 <DogWomble> the one that is being oiled?
17:21:22 <damian> i'm addicted to this guys videos
17:21:43 <damian> he reminds me so much of diedrich bader, both looks and voice
17:26:17 <damian> HOLY SHIT
17:26:21 <damian> and his name is Lous
17:26:32 <damian> which was diedrich's name in the drew carey show
17:26:35 <damian> pretty confident it's the same person
18:36:03 <gremlinz> the extremely smooth oily deck
18:40:02 <damian> haha no, the one i pasted
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20:27:54 <Halcyon> damian, what are you on about?
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23:12:24 <Ampera> eevblog time
23:12:24 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 23:12 Sydney time.
23:12:35 <Ampera> puh, sleepyheads
23:16:43 <steve30> afternoon
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