// #eevblog — 2019-09-25
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00:40:09 <DHess_US> Ampera, soft errors are proportional to memory in use or memory read without being written, access throughput, and time to reading. That last one means systems which run continuously are vulnerable.
00:41:58 <DHess_US> For systems which run continuously even with only 4 dual rank DIMMS, that reaches well into the area of one error per month to one error per year.
00:42:24 <DHess_US> Unless you live in Denver where it is about 10 times higher.
00:43:31 <Ampera> Even still, the chance that it hits something that is critically important is quite low, and unless you're dealing with very important data to where there can be 0 chance ever of a mistake, then I don't see the point of ECC
00:44:06 <DHess_US> If you were *lucky*, it would hit something causing the system to fault.
00:45:32 <Ampera> well how large of an error are we talking about
00:45:59 <Ampera> if it hits memory that's unused, it might get slightly upset, but I don't see it doing much more
00:46:04 <DHess_US> If it hits data memory before being read, it always results in data corruption.
00:46:29 <DHess_US> That includes everything the OS has cached.
00:49:00 <Ampera> Well I'm a hypocrite anyways since my server is all ECC.
00:49:32 <DHess_US> The only thing which causes more system failures is OS bugs. But if you manage to get your systems running without that, then memory errors are next.
01:02:27 <coppice_> modern DRAM is amazingly reliable against soft errors, considering how much trouble they were having 40 years ago with MUCH chunkier memory cells.
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06:54:50 <DHess_US> So ... is it possible to add 2 disks to a 3 disk parity storage pool on Windows 10?
08:05:02 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
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08:15:44 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
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10:39:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @jeriellsworth: YAAAS!! We hit our funding goal in less than a day. It's time to put our foot on the gas and make sure we get a bazil…
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16:16:56 <steve30> meow
17:11:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @cpb1956: @eevblog https://t.co/OFvbidT3Yk
17:12:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Editing a video on PCB signal propagation delay, DDR memory timing budgets etc. Just trying to trim it to under 40min.
17:55:58 * T3sl4 pounces at steve30
18:05:15 * steve30 purrs at T3sl4
18:05:30 <T3sl4> mornin
18:05:49 <steve30> I'm tired
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19:27:05 <Halcyon> I'm tired too steve30
19:27:11 <Halcyon> I drove about 600 KM today
19:29:28 <Halcyon> Morning T3sl4, Ampera
19:29:48 <T3sl4> o/
19:30:33 * steve30 paws Halcyon
19:30:48 <Halcyon> I'm famished. I literally haven't eaten a thing all day.
19:30:53 <Halcyon> I had a cup of coffee this morning
19:31:18 <steve30> I had some friend potatoes and sausages this morning
19:31:27 <Halcyon> I love fried potato
19:31:41 <Halcyon> Not something I generally make though, it's a good idea
19:32:16 <steve30> I might call at a coffee shop for a cappuccino later on today
19:32:39 <Halcyon> I'm making chicken schnitzel and chips tonight
19:32:48 <Halcyon> I'll do a bit of veg just so I'm not totally naughty
19:34:59 * steve30 snuggles up to Halcyon
19:35:02 <Halcyon> Awww
19:35:06 <Halcyon> Furry
19:40:31 <Halcyon> Aw gawd, this Greta Thunberg girl is annoying me
19:40:40 <Halcyon> Why does this shit get airtime?
19:41:52 * T3sl4 coffees
19:42:42 <steve30> Is she on TV or something?
19:42:47 <steve30> I know she exists, but that's it
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19:43:03 <Halcyon> She's the 16 year old Vegan "Climate Change Activist" that made that bullshit speech the other day
19:43:20 <Halcyon> And people are going nuts over it
19:43:36 <T3sl4> she's being paraded around as a mascott, least that's what i see it being
19:43:42 <Halcyon> Yep
19:43:45 <Halcyon> She's a puppet
19:43:51 <Halcyon> And the parents are fuelling this crap
19:44:01 <steve30> what was the bullshit speech about?
19:44:10 <Halcyon> Climate Change
19:44:10 <steve30> as I said, I know she exists and nothing more
19:44:18 <Halcyon> She is all "up in arms" because no one is doing anything
19:45:22 <steve30> I try... http://stevecoates.net/energy_monitor/04.JPG
19:45:45 <Halcyon> The thing I don't agree with is this whole stupid focus on Carbon Dioxide
19:46:10 <Halcyon> How about we just try and deal with the huge amounts of waste we throw out? Or the plastics that end up in the ocean?
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19:46:27 <T3sl4> well, it's a good 50%+ over baseline, in the last century, that's rather alarming
19:46:44 <Halcyon> Reducing the amount of shit that we put into our enviroment will have more of a profound change than slightly reducing atmospheric CO2 levels
19:49:00 <Halcyon> Personally, people need to stop being on either end of the spectrum... climate changes... that's a fact. That's why it's a "climate". It does that.
19:49:16 <Halcyon> But people need to stop either denying that it doesn't or that CO2 is some boogey man
19:49:28 <T3sl4> Halcyon: CO2 is the long term thing
19:49:42 <T3sl4> casual toxins and junk accumulation are a shorter term threat
19:49:50 <T3sl4> one we've already eliminated in a lot of places
19:49:53 <Halcyon> The science is still out on CO2 though. There are studies which show correlation and there are those that dispute it
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19:50:12 <T3sl4> like for example, we don't have a river that catches fire anymore.
19:50:26 <T3sl4> Halcyon: the only people who disagree are conservative shills
19:51:09 <Halcyon> My point is, lets just look at the shit we throw out and for companies, they need to look at what poisons they are adding to the enviroment.
19:51:29 <Halcyon> Personally, I fucking hate plastic and while it's almost impossible to avoid, I reduce it where I can.
19:52:11 <T3sl4> yeah
19:52:17 <Halcyon> In terms of Australia, we need to start looking into Nuclear energy, like right now. Not in a few years time.
19:52:28 <Halcyon> It takes sometime like 10 years just to build a plant
19:53:27 <Halcyon> India and China need to start cleaning up their act, not so much CO2 but all the other shit they burn off
19:54:13 <T3sl4> especially for desalination, since water's only going to continue being a problem down there
19:54:28 <Halcyon> In AU?
19:54:33 <T3sl4> yes
19:54:42 <T3sl4> unless the trend is for more rains, which would be nice
19:55:01 <Halcyon> Eh, the problem with desal is, water isn't needed on the coasts, it's needed in-land
19:55:18 <Halcyon> I guess you could build a big fuckoff pipeline, but it's *a lot* of area to cover
19:55:33 <T3sl4> heh, imagine how big the country could be if the whole fuckin desert could be terraformed
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19:55:54 <Halcyon> Oh it would be insanity
19:56:01 <T3sl4> ibiza: can your connection kindly fuck off?
19:56:16 <T3sl4> bad connection*
19:56:50 <Halcyon> Some farming properties are many tens of thousands of square kilometers large
19:57:17 <Halcyon> The largest one I know of is Anna Creek Station: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Creek_Station
19:57:25 <T3sl4> think of how many emus you could raise on that
19:57:57 <Halcyon> I wonder if you can ride emus?
19:58:42 <T3sl4> kids probably
20:01:43 <steve30> I will be going to my appointment by bike later. No dead dinosaur fuel and no CO2 emmisions
20:02:06 <T3sl4> hard to ride bike when you're dead tho
20:02:32 <Halcyon> What about the emissions used to build the bike steve30 ?
20:02:46 <Halcyon> You hippy :P
20:03:42 <Halcyon> Also T3sl4, I've been enjoying this channel you recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piN0fDkivG0
20:03:59 <T3sl4> :)
20:04:30 <steve30> There will have been emissions, but i assume not as much as building a car or bus
20:04:55 * T3sl4 feeds steve30 on a strict bean-rich diet
20:05:18 <Halcyon> If you eat too much tofu/soy, you get boobs
20:06:21 <T3sl4> steve boy might turn into soy boy
20:06:29 <Halcyon> Hahaha yep
20:06:33 <steve30> I don't eat much tofu
20:06:33 <Halcyon> He needs a man bun
20:09:36 <K> hello
20:10:23 <Halcyon> Hi K
20:10:39 <T3sl4> o/
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20:12:41 <Halcyon> Welcome back DHess_US
20:13:08 <T3sl4> .is? vpn?
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20:14:34 <Halcyon> Oh it's American steve30 again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-bjAfATzk
20:14:35 <Halcyon> :P
20:14:45 <Halcyon> He is oddly entertaining. I like him.
20:16:07 <steve30> I thought Halcyon might like this guy
20:16:08 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPo-GJeodWE
20:16:23 <Halcyon> Ooooh yes, yes I do.
20:16:37 <Halcyon> Couldn't care less about bikes
20:22:01 <steve30> :p
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20:26:09 <Halcyon> Yeh that guy is totally my type Steve
20:26:17 <Halcyon> Slightly geeky
20:26:20 <Halcyon> Love it
20:27:19 <steve30> Halcyon will be having fun learning about bike tonight :p
20:27:36 <Halcyon> :P
20:27:47 <Halcyon> Only because you don't make videos, I have to watch Luke
20:29:00 <rust_collector> moaning, people
20:29:23 <steve30> But I uploaded a video yesterday!
20:29:26 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtM5BpvUUjM
20:29:54 <Halcyon> Hey rust_collector
20:30:23 <Halcyon> Yes but you're not in it
20:30:27 <Halcyon> Just your hands and legs
20:30:45 * steve30 has nice hands and legs
20:30:54 <Halcyon> And why are you wearing socks with sandals?
20:31:02 <rust_collector> arrrrgh, bike nerds
20:31:19 <Halcyon> rust_collector, I was just haviing a perv on the guy in the video Steve posted
20:31:30 <Halcyon> I don't care about bikes
20:31:40 <steve30> I put the sandals on when I go outside. I don't take my socks off.
20:36:08 <rust_collector> sandals... Yeah, I remember those. I had some a few decades ago. Not a bad idea
20:41:38 <rust_collector> I like the gear inside hub system more and more, lol
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