// #eevblog — 2019-09-28
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00:01:14 <K> https://i2.wp.com/thelanguagenerds.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/preview-1.png?w=605
00:01:33 <Ampera> tell it to the rain and the stars that shine above :P
00:02:34 <T3sl4> K: I think, therefore.
00:04:09 <K> k
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01:04:08 <rust_collector> ebay is empty, so I can go out in the rain, and feel awesome
01:04:52 <rust_collector> I think I got to the point where the wife will be asking about all those little packages...again
01:16:36 <T3sl4> mumble mumble dark side https://i.imgur.com/fDtktGI.gif
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05:57:08 <Ampera> lol, Halcyon, my dad tried a piece of the roo jerky, and he spat it out within a few seconds
06:36:58 <coppice> Ampera: that's rude
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10:00:46 <Halcyon> Haha
10:00:53 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
10:00:59 <Halcyon> Some people don't have refined palates
10:01:25 <Halcyon> Kangaroo can be quite "gamey" in flavour though
10:01:40 <rust_collector> Halcyon: go back to bed, no work today
10:01:56 <Halcyon> Heh I have things to do around the house
10:02:00 <Halcyon> Including oiling my deck
10:02:06 <rust_collector> again?
10:02:12 <Halcyon> I didn't finish it the other week
10:03:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, well I think it tastes like how a pig farm smells, but I still like it
10:03:40 <Ampera> for some reason
10:03:51 <Halcyon> Hahaha
10:04:19 <rust_collector> I am eating "sandwich sour cream and onion flavour"... vegan oat filling, and high fiber. Which is 2 strips of crisp bread, with weird substance between them.
10:04:27 <Ampera> the one that really confused him was the maple jerky, and I need to send you some real maple jerky that tastes like maple and not vegemite :P
10:04:27 <Halcyon> rust_collector: I also have a uni paper due tomorrow which I haven't started
10:04:35 <Ampera> I never thought you could make meat taste like bread
10:04:45 <Halcyon> Bread?
10:04:52 <Ampera> Yeah it tastes strongly of rye
10:05:00 <Halcyon> Interesting
10:05:04 <Ampera> with almost no other taste at all
10:05:28 <Ampera> I looked on the back and it has yeast extract as an ingredient
10:05:36 <Halcyon> Weird
10:05:46 <Ampera> Again, still like it.
10:05:49 <Halcyon> I thought it just tasted like sweet meat
10:05:52 <Ampera> the best is the afterburner jerky, though.
10:05:53 <Halcyon> I didn't get vegemite at all
10:05:56 <Halcyon> Yeh I agree
10:06:06 <Ampera> that has the nicest taste, but will blow your head off
10:06:17 <Halcyon> Heh
10:06:21 <rust_collector> POP!
10:06:22 <Ampera> my dad only had a small piece, but he doesn't handle big spice that well, and his blew his head off
10:06:34 <Ampera> also everyone likes the minties
10:06:37 <Ampera> including me
10:08:12 <Ampera> and I have not tried the ramen yet, don't worry I'm getting to it, but I want to have it when I feel like having my face blown off
10:08:18 <Halcyon> Heh
10:08:33 <Ampera> in other news I have to leave in 8 hours
10:08:38 <Halcyon> \o/
10:08:44 <Halcyon> Where you going?
10:08:47 <Halcyon> NYC?
10:08:50 <Ampera> yes
10:09:06 <Halcyon> What time will you get there?
10:09:16 <Ampera> so I have to be at the bus station at 04:40, will get there at 07:40
10:09:21 <Ampera> and I won't step foot in my own house until the next day
10:10:00 <rust_collector> mr h has to go to newtown, to eat chicken, so that is ok
10:10:24 <Halcyon> Mmm chicken
10:10:53 <rust_collector> heh, have you been in the "wishbone" chicken restaurant?
10:11:02 <Halcyon> Nope?
10:11:08 <rust_collector> ok
10:11:41 <Halcyon> Never heard of them
10:11:48 <rust_collector> https://www.wishbonerestaurant.com.au/about-header
10:12:06 <Halcyon> Mmmm fried chicken
10:12:19 <Ampera> btw Halcyon, I've made some improvements to my windowmaker setup and solved some problems: http://prntscr.com/pbzckg
10:12:34 <Halcyon> Oh nice
10:12:37 <Halcyon> Looks good
10:12:44 <Ampera> for one I have wmsystemtray working (somehow), so I can have a page-based status icon menu
10:13:08 <Ampera> for two I have found out how to give things appicons that didn't have them before, and then stuck my most commonly used programs on the clip
10:13:16 <Halcyon> Looks very hipster rust_collector
10:13:32 <Halcyon> Which I would expect from Newtown/Enmore
10:13:42 <rust_collector> well, it is the only place I know down there, so
10:14:02 <Halcyon> Wait, I thought you were from the Netherlands or something? Or am I confusing you for someone else
10:14:19 <rust_collector> I am from or something
10:14:29 <Halcyon> You're vising Sydney?
10:14:34 <Halcyon> visting
10:14:41 <rust_collector> nope. not yet anyway
10:14:52 * Halcyon shares his coffee with steve30
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10:15:10 <rust_collector> waiting for the ice, so I can drive across to australistan
10:15:14 <Halcyon> Hahah
10:17:18 <rust_collector> I would not mind going there some day, but I also hate flying, and that is something I would have to do a lot to get there
10:18:24 <Halcyon> I just find flying boring
10:18:33 <rust_collector> yes.
10:19:17 <rust_collector> and there is always at least 1 little baby that is screaming from takeoff, and until we land, or it just passes out
10:19:26 <Ampera> yeah as it turns out there are people on freenode's #windowmaker who know things
10:19:45 <coppice> 17 hours trapped in a cramped box with a bunch of strangers? What could be boring about that?
10:19:54 <Ampera> I like flying, probably wouldn't as much if i had to do it regularly, but I don't mind it
10:20:12 <Ampera> and tbh so long as I have power and a computer with stuff to do on it, I'm not that bothered.
10:20:26 <rust_collector> how does that icon-box on the top-lower left work/do?
10:20:46 <Ampera> internet at least capable of an IRC connection is also nice
10:20:52 <Ampera> rust_collector, can you be less specific?
10:21:04 <Halcyon> I think most flights have Wi-Fi now?
10:21:05 <rust_collector> not really, sorry
10:21:09 <Ampera> as in, what the hell is top-lower?
10:21:09 <Halcyon> Or microcells
10:21:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, my WOW air flights didn't, but they weren't exactly expensive flights
10:21:49 <rust_collector> you have those icons in boxes, along the corners of your screen.
10:22:03 <Ampera> Ah, so those have varying functions
10:22:17 <rust_collector> what is the one on the top, of those in the lower left?
10:22:21 <Ampera> the boxes that are just icons (no borders or anything fancy in them) are called appicons. They represent a program
10:22:29 <rust_collector> right
10:22:34 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to get started on this deck
10:22:35 <Ampera> when the program isn't running they can be used to launch it (or when it is running launch more by a right click menu)
10:23:01 <Ampera> when the program is running, it can be used to find all the miniwindows for that program by doubleclicking
10:23:26 <Ampera> miniwindows are the things with the blue tops that contain text. Those are like a minimized window (more iconified)
10:23:37 <Ampera> double clicking restores it to its previous size/shape/position
10:24:09 <Ampera> then on the left are dockapps, which are little programs like a clock, mixer, and system tray can be placed
10:24:42 <Ampera> the top right icon is called the clip, which can be used to also change workspaces
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10:28:07 <rust_collector> what kind of thing do you use to find/start stuff? does it have a regular menu, or some kind of thingie-launcher?
10:28:57 <Ampera> traditional X right click menu
10:29:10 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/pbzgkj
10:29:33 <Ampera> right click anywhere on the screen and that menu pops up. It's manually built so you can put whatever you want in it, scripts, programs, anything that can be run off the command line
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10:31:02 <rust_collector> neat
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10:35:01 <Ampera> it's called Window Maker, you can try it out yourself if you wanted
10:35:47 <rust_collector> Yeah, I know. I think I have had it installed, but never really used it
10:35:59 <Ampera> me and Halcyon use it, and I really like it
10:40:48 <rust_collector> I might try it, if I feel like doing some testing again
10:42:32 <rust_collector> I am getting old and boring. Most of the time, I use xfce. But it depends... but very often xfce, or spectrwm, or fluxbox. or catwm, larswm, ratpoison, evilwm. I think those are the ones I use most.
10:43:35 <Ampera> There's some small stuff I wish it had, like UI scaling, but it does almost everything I want it to in a really nice and compact form
10:44:03 <Ampera> I used to like having a large variety of window managers all around, but almost everything I have uses Window Maker, unless the specific application can't use it for whatever reason
10:50:16 <rust_collector> I am thinking I should try to do a crux install again. I have plenty of machines, so... Maybe crux and some tiler. because I like that. Well, I used to anyway
10:56:29 <rust_collector> but. I am a debian sort of person. I almost know how to do things there, so that is what I tend to use
11:23:24 <rust_collector> Canada,Italy,Brazil and other remote countries
11:23:34 <rust_collector> ok, I am not sure, but...
11:34:38 <Ampera> I am an Arch and FreeBSD person. Debian just has a habit of annoying me
11:35:39 <rust_collector> yeah, I never got along with arch. For me it tends to be great for a day, then it just starts to........annoy me
11:37:00 <rust_collector> I probably should look at bsd again. I do not remember why I did not like it the last time
11:37:19 <Ampera> there are various BSDs. BSD is like Linux in that it denotes a family of operating system
11:37:36 <Ampera> only with BSD, the kernel structure tends to change a bit more than Linux does from distro to distro
11:37:44 <rust_collector> I think it was something to so with the browser, and slow video, maybe?
11:37:57 <Ampera> was never an issue for me on FreeBSD
11:38:05 <Ampera> my issue with FreeBSD is no adequate linux app support
11:38:14 <Ampera> but I still use it on my server
11:41:54 <rust_collector> I always mix up which bsd is what.
11:43:11 <Ampera> FreeBSD is the classic one, effectively a direct continuation of the original x86 BSD. OpenBSD is the pufferfish mascotted high-security OS, where we get OpenSSH from
11:43:30 <Ampera> NetBSD is a bit of a stranger one, I don't know as much about it besides people like taking bits from it and putting them into other systems
11:45:49 <rust_collector> iIrc, netbsd is what is left after they split, and started the open or free one. I think it is older than those. But I am not really sure
11:46:06 <rust_collector> and it is what ran the toaster on the internet
11:47:55 <rust_collector> I am ready to wipe the little old hp elitebook somenumber. I do not use it any more. I think it would do ok for a quick test of something
11:48:44 <Ampera> if you enjoy stuff that doesn't work, illumos is always an option
11:49:13 <rust_collector> nah, I have a messed up windows install on it already
11:49:22 <rust_collector> I am ok, thanks
12:15:23 <rust_collector> Ok, I have freakBSD on an usb stick. But it is time for a nap. It could have something to do with me not finding the charger for the old hp
12:16:01 <rust_collector> good night and such
12:36:09 <Halcyon> Now I got to wait for my deck to dry
12:36:15 <Halcyon> You still around Ampera?
12:45:41 <rust_collector> you should buy the cheapest pressure washer you can find, and use that for oiling your deck
12:46:01 <rust_collector> uuh, and stream it on youtube
12:52:34 <Halcyon> A pressure washer?
12:52:39 <Halcyon> Oil would go everywhere
12:52:55 <Halcyon> I'm just using a stick with a sheep skin pad on it
12:52:56 <rust_collector> that is the idea
12:53:04 <rust_collector> oh-k
12:53:19 <Halcyon> As in it's designed for deck oiling
12:53:22 <rust_collector> no beer?
12:53:25 <Halcyon> Wine
12:53:36 <rust_collector> well... I guess
12:53:40 <Halcyon> It's lovely outside today, about 24-25C
12:54:11 <rust_collector> that is almost too much for me. 20 is plenty
12:54:38 <rust_collector> 25 is ok, if I don't have to do anything
12:55:16 <rust_collector> it is 10 here now. but it is 5 in the morning
13:01:42 <rust_collector> I think this will be ok for tod--yesterday. good night
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15:37:59 <steve30> Meow
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17:20:01 <Ampera> you around, Halcyon?
18:26:07 <DogWomble> i think he's more of a square :P
19:20:35 <Halcyon> I am Ampera
19:27:30 <steve30> ooh, a halcyon
19:27:55 * steve30 relaxes on Halcyon's lap
19:28:31 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
19:57:27 <steve30> I got an Australian Kookaburra coin today
20:20:12 <Halcyon> What kind of coin steve30 ?
20:20:25 <Halcyon> Also, I didn't know you collected coins
21:17:43 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-Compaq-Laptop-Windows-3-1-with-Case-SCREEN-LOOKS-PIXELATED-DUE-TO-CAMERA/193045302090?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190805154545%26meid%3D3cb2c83a819a4df080fa3a1d93500b0d%26pid%3D100037%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D352583417729%26itm%3D193045302090%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100037.m2107
21:17:47 <Halcyon> Oh that's cool
22:21:50 <steve30> Halcyon, a 1oz silver one
23:09:25 * rust_collector makes waffles
23:56:01 <rust_collector> did they change youtube again?
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