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14:56:30 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Mon Dec 17 17:18:40 2018
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19:36:41 <Halcyon1> !Hey Steve :)
19:37:24 <Halcyon1> Ampera :)
20:01:31 <K> hello
20:01:36 <Halcyon1> Hi
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20:07:49 <K> what things
20:08:01 <Ampera> K, dense and hard things
20:09:59 <Halcyon1> Ampera :D
20:10:06 <Ampera> how do Halcyon1
20:10:09 <Halcyon1> How do I make Youtube videos play on this thing?
20:10:16 <Ampera> huh?
20:10:24 <Halcyon1> No web videos will play
20:10:31 <Ampera> On Opera?
20:10:35 <Ampera> I thought they had been.
20:10:49 <Halcyon1> I don't think so?
20:11:07 <Ampera> does opera support HTML5?
20:11:15 <Halcyon1> Not sure, but I've never had issues before
20:11:21 <Halcyon1> It's not just Youtube though, it's any web video
20:11:58 <Halcyon1> Granted I haven't rebooted
20:12:03 <Ampera> You /could/ try installing pepper-flash as a workaround.
20:12:18 <Ampera> I don't know if that package is chromium only, but Opera does support ppapi
20:12:40 <Halcyon1> Ill try that after I reboot first
20:12:45 <Halcyon1> Anyway, how's school?
20:13:00 <Ampera> Alright enough.
20:13:08 <Ampera> Took me an hour to get there.
20:13:15 <Halcyon1> How far is it?
20:13:46 <Ampera> 2.5mi
20:14:05 <Halcyon1> What the hell?
20:14:08 <Halcyon1> Why so long
20:14:23 <Ampera> because I walked there
20:14:36 <Ampera> ah
20:14:36 <Halcyon1> Oh right
20:14:43 <Ampera> Halcyon1, install opera-ffmpeg-codecs
20:14:45 <Ampera> then restart opera
20:14:51 <Halcyon1> Roger...
20:15:04 <Halcyon1> What's the package manager again on this?
20:15:08 <Ampera> pacman
20:15:11 <Ampera> or powerpill
20:15:28 <Ampera> pacman -Sy opera-ffmpeg-codecs
20:15:46 <Ampera> Did you end up going back to XFCE, by the way?
20:16:05 <Halcyon1> Not yet
20:16:19 <Ampera> alright
20:16:45 <Halcyon1> It's pacman -S isn't it?
20:16:56 <Ampera> I just told you what it is
20:17:08 <Halcyon1> Sorry, wasn't reading
20:17:09 <Ampera> You'll want to run -Sy on occasion to update the package lists
20:17:17 <Ampera> besides that, yes.
20:17:24 <Halcyon1> Right
20:17:39 <Ampera> If it's unusually slow, you can replace pacman with powerpill, but keep in mind you can't use -Sy with powerpill
20:18:06 <Halcyon1> That didn't seem to fix it... I'll reboot...
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20:24:27 <Ampera> Halcyon1, did it fix it?
20:26:20 <Halcyon1> Yup
20:26:25 <Ampera> Alright good.
20:26:29 <Halcyon1> Although JACK doesn't "start" automatically
20:26:43 <Ampera> It should, how does it not start?
20:27:09 <Halcyon1> As in the connection kit opens but it says it's "Stopped"
20:27:35 <Halcyon1> I have to manually click start
20:27:46 <Ampera> Like this? http://prntscr.com/p1n3x1
20:27:55 <Halcyon1> Although now youtube videos don't play again
20:28:20 <Halcyon1> No, as in the title bar says "Stopped" instead of "Active"
20:28:24 <Halcyon1> And I have to click the Start button
20:28:29 <Ampera> From what I was reading Opera has some of the poorest video playback support on Linux. People have tried to fudge it by using Chromium's video playback libraries, which is what that package should have been
20:28:48 <Halcyon1> Videos play when Jack is stopped
20:28:49 <K> why opera, though?
20:28:55 <Ampera> ^
20:29:01 <Halcyon1> Because Chrome is shit and Firefox is only margionally better
20:29:06 <K> hm
20:29:08 <Ampera> Out of all the browsers it's easily the least supported
20:29:11 <Ampera> Why not Vivaldi?>
20:29:17 <Halcyon1> I supports 99% of sites I use
20:29:18 <Ampera> Which has more and better support for almost everything
20:29:25 <Halcyon1> Some obscure ones don't load properly
20:29:27 <K> in what aspect is chrome/ff shit?
20:29:33 <Halcyon1> Chrome is a memory hog
20:29:37 <Halcyon1> Firefox is OK
20:29:45 <K> you have 4 gigs of ram?
20:29:46 <Halcyon1> Opera is very light weight and just works
20:29:48 <Ampera> Chromium is fine on Linux.
20:29:58 <Halcyon1> No, but I have *a lot* of stuff open
20:30:00 <Ampera> The memory hogging issues aren't much of an issue unless you start /really/ opening tabs.
20:30:01 <Halcyon1> Hundreds of tabs sometimes
20:30:07 <K> ah.
20:30:15 <Ampera> Have you tried Pale Moon?
20:30:18 <Halcyon1> Nope
20:30:21 <Halcyon1> Opera works fine
20:30:22 <Ampera> It's firefox with some native improvements.
20:30:25 <Ampera> You just said it doesn't.
20:30:26 <K> have you tried closing some tabs?
20:30:32 <Halcyon1> I seems to be a JACK issue
20:30:34 <Halcyon1> Not Opera
20:30:38 <Ampera> Ah, this might be why
20:30:49 <steve30> hi Halcyon1
20:30:50 <Ampera> do sudo systemctl --user mask pulseaudio.socket
20:30:56 <Ampera> *without sudo
20:31:03 <Ampera> (the one time I include sudo ffs)
20:31:09 <Ampera> then systemctl --user stop pulseaudio
20:31:22 <Halcyon1> OK
20:31:25 <Ampera> JACK does this when pulseaudio tries to autospawn, so maybe an update did something to it.,
20:32:00 <Halcyon1> Right, so now, when JACK is started, videos don't play in the browser
20:32:09 <Ampera> then what you can do is stop and close JACK, and then do pulseaudio -k
20:32:19 <Ampera> Yes, because pulseaudio isn't running
20:32:23 <Ampera> that's what the startup scripts are for
20:32:27 <Ampera> then restart windowmaker
20:33:03 <Halcyon1> OK video is playing now, but no audio
20:33:06 <Ampera> that should re-run the scripts, start JACK, then pulseaudio with the correct sink/source
20:33:22 <Ampera> go into DMs (after you authenticate to AustShit)
20:33:29 <Halcyon1> Meh, sort it out later
20:33:33 <Halcyon1> I'm kind of doing dinner as well
20:34:13 <Ampera> alright
20:34:52 <Ampera> One other quick think you could try
20:35:02 <Halcyon1> Ampera, the USB sound source is card 0
20:35:05 <Ampera> is opening pavucontrol and disabling the monitor's input
20:35:09 <Ampera> Yeah it used to be 1
20:35:14 <Halcyon1> I recall
20:35:39 <Ampera> can you tell me the first word of the device listing for both the nvidia and USB devices?
20:35:47 <Ampera> so like mine is card 0: PCH
20:35:59 <Halcyon1> USB and NVidia
20:36:13 <Ampera> alright, real quick sudo nano /usr/bin/startjack
20:36:18 <Ampera> then change hw:1 to hw:USB
20:36:36 <Ampera> then pkill jackd and pulseaudio -k
20:36:49 <Ampera> and restart windowmaker
20:37:08 <Halcyon1> OK works now
20:37:15 <Ampera> good, that should keep things static
20:37:18 <Halcyon1> Fanks :)
20:37:37 <Halcyon1> Remind me, so I need to add the sink each time I reboot or is it persistant?
20:38:08 <Ampera> It's persistent, it should be
20:38:12 <Halcyon1> Coolies
20:38:13 <Ampera> if not let me know and I'll fix that
20:38:16 <Halcyon1> Will do
20:38:19 <Ampera> if you want to try pale moon: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/palemoon-bin/
20:38:23 <Ampera> yay -S palemoon-bin
20:38:28 <Ampera> My dad raves about it.
20:38:38 <Ampera> I just use chromium until they kill ublock origin
20:38:43 <Halcyon1> Heh
20:39:02 <Halcyon1> I use network ad blocking + ABP and Ghostery
20:39:06 <Ampera> though I'm planning on doing a full security audit on myself at some point (I'm just lazy), so I might end up replacing my web browsing solution.
20:39:11 <Halcyon1> Blocks almost everything including pre-roll ads
20:39:25 <Ampera> I don't like the idea of network adblocking since I can't easily disable it.
20:39:30 <Ampera> and even if /I/ can, others cannot.
20:39:38 <Halcyon1> Yeh fair enough
20:39:39 <Ampera> which is an issue when sites get cranky about ads not loading.
20:39:50 <Halcyon1> My network stuff isn't too strict so it doesn't generally cause problems
20:39:55 <Halcyon1> It just blocks a lot of the well-known crap
20:40:03 <Halcyon1> As a first line defence more than anything
20:40:28 <Ampera> https://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth Scroll around here a bit, see if it gets upset
20:40:58 <Ampera> so long as it still has the anti-adblock thing, and it still works
20:41:06 <Ampera> it used to be one of the sites that did, but it's not yet doing it for me
20:41:08 <Halcyon1> Yeh it sooks about the ad-blocker
20:41:18 <Ampera> Huh, not for me.
20:41:44 <Halcyon1> I have my desktop settings fairly strict
20:41:57 <Ampera> Well I also had no ads either.
20:42:16 <Halcyon1> No solution is perfect, but this is one of the very rare examples where it would cause me issues
20:42:25 <Halcyon1> I can always whitelist it if I used that site
20:42:36 <Ampera> Yeah but then you presumably have to add that to a file.
20:42:41 <Ampera> whereas I just have to click a button
20:42:46 <Halcyon1> Likewise
20:42:54 <Halcyon1> It's just a button in Opera
20:43:04 <Ampera> One interesting thing about Pale Moon is that it potentially has hardware accelerated compositing and video decoding
20:43:16 <Ampera> Firefox only has hardware accelerated compositing, and even that's a very recent addition.
20:43:27 <Halcyon1> I just turned off my local ad blocking and the network stuff blocks all ads but I don't get the silly popup
20:43:50 <Ampera> It's likely ABP, which blocks ads differently than ublock origin
20:43:53 <Halcyon1> I just can't stand Youtube ads
20:43:57 <Halcyon1> They can get fucked
20:44:06 <Ampera> by basically filtering what content appears, not what content gets downloaded
20:44:22 <Ampera> ublock origin will actually, like a pihole, blacklist advertising from even downloading
20:44:27 <Halcyon1> Thsa'
20:44:29 <Halcyon1> That
20:44:33 <Halcyon1> 's what my network stuff does
20:44:44 <Halcyon1> It replaces ads with it's own blank image
20:44:50 <Ampera> which is what chromium is trying to break, but idk when they're going to do that.
20:45:13 <Halcyon1> Anyway back shortly.... got to put potatos in the oven
20:45:18 <Ampera> k
20:46:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Congrats to the Hong Kong protesters! Hong Kong leader formally withdraws extradition bill in major backdown: https://t.co/rJY9bbd8MD
20:46:55 <steve30> I kinda want to go to bed, but I have to stay up a bit longer
20:49:05 <Halcyon1> Back yeh, the network blocking is there as a basic defence, mainly for things I can't/don't have ad blocking tools installed on, for example embedded devices, TV etc...
20:49:20 <Ampera> That's why I don't use any of those!
20:49:22 <Halcyon1> Things like my Sonos speakers send telemetry and other data out to Sonos, all that gets blocked
20:49:30 <Ampera> Open hardware all the way!
20:49:40 <Ampera> because Sonos is shit
20:49:49 <Halcyon1> Sonos speakers themselves are excellent
20:49:53 <Halcyon1> Their software is a bit poo
20:49:57 <Halcyon1> (but well supported)
20:50:13 <Halcyon1> In any case, I can just block all that
20:50:17 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:50:32 <Ampera> Speaking of block, my school's internet is kind enough to not block the port I use to ssh into my server at home.
20:50:38 <Halcyon1> Why do you have to stay up Steve?
20:50:47 <Halcyon1> Oh that's nice Ampera
20:50:49 <Halcyon1> :-)
20:51:31 <Halcyon1> ROFL: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/cookout-planned-outside-vegans-house-that-wants-neighbours-bbq-banned/news-story/99b5b8a2b125ccc0fe9d13a16f55d6de
20:51:50 <Halcyon1> This silly vegan woman made the news this week after taking her neighbour to court because she could smell his BBQ
20:51:53 <steve30> My Dad is coming round, and I'm also expecting the postman
20:52:01 <Halcyon1> Now the public are wanting to host a giant BBQ
20:52:19 <Halcyon1> Typical Aussies
20:53:30 <Ampera> Your barbecues are pathetic.
20:53:54 <Halcyon1> Unlike our internet, our BBQ's are awesome
20:54:00 <Ampera> It's just cooking outside if it doesn't have fireworks and firearms.
20:54:05 <Halcyon1> Bah
20:54:07 <steve30> mmm, bbq
20:54:14 <Halcyon1> We don't need guns and fire to have a good time
20:54:23 <Halcyon1> It's about good food, good company and good booze :-)
20:54:32 <Ampera> It's not that we need them, it's that we can have more fun with them, and that we /can/ use them.
20:54:50 <Halcyon1> Because you guys are a bunch of rednecks
20:55:02 <Halcyon1> We've progressed a bit since then :P
20:56:54 <Ampera> Progressed from rednecks with cool cars, guns, and fireworks to bogans with shitty cars, no guns, no fireworks, and a police force that will arrest you for unauthorized keeping of a knife in public.
20:57:00 <Halcyon1> You'll get there, once you lot realise that dispite your guns being everywhere in huge numbers, haven't actually reduced your gun crime.
20:57:15 <Ampera> I never said it reduces it.
20:57:16 * steve30 needs coffee
20:57:30 * Halcyon1 warms up the coffee machine for Steve
20:57:35 <Halcyon1> I bought fresh beans the other day
20:57:38 <Ampera> I'd agree that guns are a factor in gun crime, but so are cars in grand theft auto.
20:57:54 <Halcyon1> Is that a big problem there is it?
20:57:56 <steve30> *purr*
20:58:04 <Ampera> So saying that you should get rid of guns is like saying you should get rid of cars so people can't steal them.
20:58:14 <Ampera> It's not a huge problem but it happens.
20:58:22 <Halcyon1> No, it says, your laws are ineffective and weak
20:58:35 <Ampera> Our society is ineffective and weak, our laws are fine.
20:58:44 <Halcyon1> We haven't banned guns, yet we have along the lowest gun crime figures in the world.
20:58:49 <Ampera> Crime doesn't stop because laws make it illegal. It's already illegal.
20:59:02 <Halcyon1> Then the punishments are weak
20:59:08 <Ampera> There's a gun in every Swiss home, and they have among the lowest gun crime rates in the world too.
20:59:24 <Halcyon1> Yes but what happens if you abuse and break the law there?
20:59:27 <Ampera> Halcyon1, we imprison more people than any other society in the world has ever done, our punishments are harsh, not weak.
20:59:28 <K> they do not have the ammo though, iirc
20:59:35 <Ampera> You get arrested.
20:59:43 <Halcyon1> I'd also argue that the swiss probably have a higher education rate overall
20:59:45 <Ampera> K, no, it's ready with ammo.
20:59:49 <K> ok
20:59:56 <Ampera> Halcyon1, Ahah, so it's not just the laws of the land that contribute to the crime.
21:00:03 <Ampera> Making crime more illegal doesn't make people want to commit less crime.
21:00:05 <Halcyon1> No, not just
21:00:14 <Ampera> Making people who want to commit less crime have reasons to not commit crime makes less crime.
21:00:19 <Halcyon1> Just like our laws aren't the only fix
21:00:27 <Halcyon1> There are a number of strategies involved
21:00:36 <K> socialist!
21:00:39 <Ampera> That means making jobs, creating public infrastructure, and a common policy dedicated to the elimination of the concept of the ghetto.
21:00:52 <Halcyon1> Is there a shortage of jobs in the US?
21:01:12 <Ampera> It's not just the quantity of jobs, it's being able to get to them, having the intelligence to be hired by them.
21:01:16 <coppice> there is always a shortage of jobs in the US
21:01:22 <Ampera> Our school system is, I believe, among the worst in the first world.
21:01:30 <Halcyon1> So, education and jobs... two things we have an abundance of here
21:01:51 <Ampera> Which is my point as to why you have less crime, not because you got rid of guns, because you have less people who want to commit crime.
21:02:07 <Ampera> There's many other types of crime other than gun crime, and they're all less there too.
21:02:10 <coppice> Ampera: most other school systems are working hard to compete with US schools
21:02:22 <Halcyon1> Back soon, more dinner stuff
21:02:24 <Ampera> coppice, some US schools, that's when you take the best of the pack and ignore the worst.
21:02:39 <coppice> I mean they are competing to be the worst
21:02:45 <Ampera> lol
21:02:59 <Ampera> There are good schools in the US, but they are in the rich, secular areas.
21:03:23 <Ampera> We need to put the good schools in the poor areas, and focus on teaching trade, skill, and life lessons.
21:03:36 <coppice> whereever I go middle aged people complain that their kids aren't studying anything like as big a syllabus as when they were at school
21:03:50 <Ampera> Emphasize the importance of living civily and peacefully, and crack down on gang warfare.
21:04:37 <coppice> people hold places like Singapore and Shanghai up as beacons of good education, but parents there all complain about falling standards
21:04:59 <Ampera> The thing is these are the hard problems, the core issues with society that, if fixed, could lead to considerable monetary prosperity and return to world education dominance.
21:05:11 <Ampera> The thing that could make jobs, make money, and make society /better/
21:05:34 <coppice> america can't fix its schooling unless it changes the funding of schools from a very localised arrangement
21:06:02 <Ampera> People don't want to fix those because they are the hard problems, or they require them to do things, or be intelligent. All they want to do is take a scapegoat that the media tells them is this big massive problem, when it's exactly as bad as it always has been, and pretend that if they all work together, that will fix all their problems.
21:06:23 <Ampera> Meanwhile you have rich cunts dumping bags of trash onto people's lawns because those people live in the wrong part of Baltimore.
21:06:36 <coppice> other countries seem to have different reasons for schools failing to prepare youngsters well
21:07:18 <Ampera> We have more reasons than just funding. Leadership, anti-secularism, and people not getting their shit together as to what to actually teach
21:07:43 <Ampera> instead of putting aside their differences and personal beliefs and making a curriculum genuinely beneficial to the prosperity of students.
21:08:12 <coppice> yeah, but localised funding seems to be a big issue. It prevents broader oversight, as well as very uneven funding
21:08:18 <Ampera> and to not stop at Grade 12, and to continue into creating post-secondary education reachable by all, and oriented to make the most profitable and beneficial fields easier to take.
21:09:10 <Ampera> We could come up with ideas about how to fix it all damn day, but at the end of that damn day, we'll find that it doesn't matter what we think, it's how society intends to play itself out.
21:09:50 <coppice> "society" doesn't choose these things. the powerful and privileged do
21:09:55 <Ampera> In other better news, it seems like Hong Kong's government, and potentially Bejing, are starting to crack, as the extradition arrangement is being formally dropped.
21:11:01 <coppice> perhaps, but they made it look like it was being dropped a few weeks ago, using devious wording that was different in the english and chinese announcements
21:11:37 <Ampera> Indeed.
21:11:55 <Ampera> I didn't say the protesters have won yet, but this is still a sign of cracking.
21:12:22 <Ampera> and an excellent example of the classic pro-gun talking point of, if the state rises up against you.
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22:50:56 <Nothing\> wow, screw rigol
22:51:29 <Nothing\> i was just looking at this scope on amazon that sounded pretty good, until i found a slew of comments about how most of the functions are just on a 40 day trial and you have to pay extra for them, wtf
22:51:55 <Nothing\> seems like bait and switch to me, i'd be livid if i bought one of those and found that out after the fact
22:52:04 <Nothing\> that's worse than DLC
22:52:51 <Nothing\> i'm still looking for a cheap scope, something with a function generator, 2 channels, i don't think speed matters atm but it might later so i'm not sure about that
22:53:11 <Nothing\> and i'd like something with some basic math functions like fft, integral and derivative
22:53:23 <Nothing\> a lot of the cheap ones only had fft, if anything
22:53:55 <Nothing\> been eyeing these hantex ones, they're pretty good pricewise, starting at around $300
22:54:03 <Nothing\> hantek, even
22:59:33 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
23:04:11 <K> which scope, Nothing\ ?
23:04:39 <K> aren't all rigols "upgradeable" in some way?
23:26:14 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
23:26:18 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
23:26:21 <Nothing\> K: i'm not sure, lemme see what it was
23:27:08 <Nothing\> K: the 1054
23:27:19 <Ampera> how do?
23:27:32 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright, a bit tired but otherwise good
23:27:34 <Nothing\> how bout you?
23:28:15 <Nothing\> K: apparently it's easy enough to get a keygen to bypass it, but still considering it's an entry level scope most people buying it won't even be aware of such practices
23:29:40 <Ampera> I feel like screaming into the scrying mirror of live.
23:32:16 <K> i do not get the outrage tbh
23:32:27 <K> 1054Z is the de facto entry level scope
23:32:38 <K> is easily hackable to 100MHz and all options
23:33:04 <Nothing\> K: it's easily hackable yeah, but without that it would be outright bait and switch
23:33:23 <K> if you are into electronics and do not know it can be hacked, then, forgive my frankness, you probably have picked the wrong hobby
23:33:30 <K> no, why?
23:33:34 <Nothing\> it would be like if you bought a console that came with extra controllers, but you had to pay an extra $100 to unlock the ability to play multiplayer
23:33:56 <Nothing\> K: some people won't do it out of moral objections too
23:34:12 <K> well then they can pay and have it that way
23:34:14 <Nothing\> seeing as it is technhically stealing
23:34:40 <Nothing\> although tbh depending what the functions are, i might be inclined to pay extra for them
23:34:58 <Nothing\> i mean spending $300 or $400 on a scope with a full set of math functions still isn't bad
23:35:10 <Nothing\> most in that range just have FFT
23:35:39 <Nothing\> these hantek ones seem pretty good for a starter scope
23:35:58 <Nothing\> part of me's tempted to just buy the first one i come across, i'm so excited at the prospect of having a scope
23:36:39 <K> i still do not get the issue
23:36:52 <K> you buy scope, it has some demo features activated
23:37:02 <K> demo expires, you do not have the features anymore
23:37:07 <Nothing\> it's just the fact that you're paying for something you're not entitled to use
23:37:21 <Nothing\> although that's pretty much the case with any software these days, sort of
23:37:31 <Nothing\> you're not paying for the right to own said software, just the right to use it
23:37:35 <K> you are upset that rigol wants to make money?
23:37:44 <Nothing\> oh i don't care
23:37:48 <Nothing\> i would have if i bought it thought
23:37:51 <Nothing\> -t
23:38:15 <Nothing\> though with the keygen thing, it'd probably end up being more functional than most scopes in that price range
23:38:21 <Ampera> I AM UPSET RIGOL WANTS TO MAKE MONEY
23:38:26 <Ampera> HOW DARE THEY PARTICIPATE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY
23:38:27 <Ampera> FUCKING PIGS
23:38:38 <Nothing\> but yeah, i hate it when people try to claim a company's evil because it wants to make money
23:38:49 <Nothing\> like making money somehow makes somebody inherently evil
23:38:59 <Nothing\> it's a company, that's what company's do
23:39:18 <Ampera> money = sqrt(evil)
23:39:33 <Nothing\> lol somebody was arguing with me the other day that governments control the inflation of their currency directly
23:39:42 <K> with the keygen it is the best price/perfomance by a long shot
23:39:47 <Nothing\> so i asked him how they would increase the value of their currency on a whim, he said they destroy it
23:40:00 <Ampera> stop printing and circulating it
23:40:08 <Ampera> like how they do to pay their bills
23:40:19 <Nothing\> so i ask him "and who's gonna volunteer their hard earned money to be destroyed?"
23:40:30 <Ampera> Banks.
23:40:31 <Nothing\> he claimed they destroy tax money to keep inflation in check
23:40:45 <Ampera> if you equate money to mean cash
23:40:56 <Nothing\> cuz a government destroying their own money for the good of everyone else makes money
23:40:58 <Ampera> if you equate it to actual money, they can just stop issuing it, and that makes it more scarce.
23:41:15 <Ampera> Money is an abstraction of the concept of its users GDP.
23:41:19 <Nothing\> yeah but he seemed to think that no inflation was good and that goverments can do this on a whim
23:41:23 <DHess_US> K, it just isn't a very good oscilloscope as far as basic performance.
23:41:28 <Nothing\> like they can just wave a magic wand and make their money worth more
23:41:38 <Nothing\> DHess_US: that was the sense i got
23:41:49 <Ampera> The total sum of trading money is directly tied to the GDP of its users, and the individual denominations of that money are such fractions.
23:41:50 <Nothing\> although anything's better than what i have now
23:42:27 <DHess_US> For instance, bandwidth varies with signal level and input sensitivity. That is something characteristic of oscilloscopes from 70 years ago.
23:42:29 <Nothing\> i'm a little confused about the difference between the mhz and samples per second, i still need to read up more on scopes
23:42:36 <Ampera> Having less total money doesn't increase or decrease the GDP available (in a very basic sense, there are always exceptions), it makes the smaller body of money worth more individually.
23:42:49 <Nothing\> there was an eevblog video i remember watching ages ago that explained the specs on scopes but i can't seem to find it
23:42:50 <EEVBlog> You can get that on the internet now?
23:43:18 <DHess_US> And the DS1000Z automatic measurements are just bad.
23:43:21 <Nothing\> anywho i've gotta go to the clinic and let them watch me pee in a cup
23:43:25 <Nothing\> i'll be back shortly
23:43:49 <Ampera> lol, the bot responded to the "member" in the word "remember"
23:43:57 <Ampera> you hit a payload :P
23:47:40 <K> the Z is not the best, but it is good enough for most stuff
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