// #eevblog — 2019-09-05
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00:42:02 <Nothing\> i'm still undecided as to which scope to get
00:42:09 <Nothing\> gotta say though, i'm really happy with the multimeter i got
00:42:51 <Nothing\> other than the battery compartment, since the battery won't stay in without the back and the back is held on by self threading screws, so every time i open it i feel like i'm shortening its life, terrible design
00:52:36 <K> do you have any specific requirements?
00:52:40 <K> if not, go with the Z
00:53:16 <K> if money is tight
01:00:58 <Nothing\> just that it has a function generator and calculus math functions
01:01:11 * Ampera funcs Nothing\ up
01:01:19 <Nothing\> the calculus thing isn't a huge deal, but i know i'm gonna want them later on down the road
01:02:09 <Nothing\> i'm sure there are a ton of scope functions i don't even know of that i'll need later down the road
01:03:33 <K> hm, generator is only on 1074Z model
01:04:33 <K> DS1074Z-S Plus to be more precise
01:04:59 <K> why do you want it integrated in scope?
01:08:55 <Ampera> gotta love it when a new book edition is a complete rewrite
01:08:56 <Ampera> q.q
01:09:38 <K> school book?
01:11:51 <Ampera> yep
01:13:32 <K> not just chapters shufled around?
01:14:22 <Nothing\> k: just so i can avoid having to buy a separate function generator
01:14:40 <Nothing\> although i've been wanting a function generator too, i still haven't got any practical way of generating sine waves
01:15:42 <K> 1074 is not that great wrt to p/p
01:15:49 <Nothing\> best i can do is either step down mains voltage, or use the cord from earphones where i cut the earphones off and left the wire exposed with a phone that's using an audio function generator, but i only get maybe 200-250mv pp out of it
01:16:43 <Nothing\> the other problem with using the phone too is it won't output to the headphone jack unless it detects something's plugged in, so i think i need to use a dummy load of like 10 ohms or something
01:16:52 <Nothing\> or maybe 2.2 for such low voltage
01:18:51 <K> look up FY3224S
01:19:09 <K> sdg electronics channel has a nice review for it
01:51:53 <Nothing\> what advantage is there to buying a function generator separate from a DSO?
01:52:28 <Nothing\> oh actually i was gonna ask too, what are those cases called that i always see people put their components in, they're got all sorts of little drawers in the front of them
01:52:45 <Nothing\> i've wanted one for ages but i can't find them cuz i dunno what they're called
01:53:25 <K> you mean like this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/64-Drawer-Plastic-Storage-Cabinet-Electronic-Components-Hardware-Parts-Bin-Craft-/331603057686 ?
01:54:09 <K> the advantage for separate device is that it is, well, separate
01:55:04 <K> it is not tacked on, making comporomises on functionality
01:55:26 <Nothing\> yeah that was my first thought
01:55:34 <Nothing\> it's probably not as functional as a separate function generator
01:55:47 <Nothing\> entry level ones aren't that much anyways, maybe around $100
01:56:02 <Nothing\> oh yeah man, these are exactly what i was looking for
01:56:13 <Nothing\> now i just need to find them elsewhere, since ebay won't take my credit crad
01:57:07 <K> > │17:10:19 K | look up FY3224S
02:10:42 <rust_collector> hoi
02:22:18 <rust_collector> I had a new truck at work today. I set the display to dutch. that should be interesting
02:44:42 <Nothing\> lol nice
02:45:07 <Nothing\> i was looking in banggood for scopes the other day and for some reason the language kept defaulting to thai every time i loaded a new page
02:45:42 <rust_collector> cool, good thing it was not something weird, like australian or something
02:46:35 <rust_collector> I sort of miss my shitty little dso138
02:47:05 <rust_collector> it was very handy, for some things, like cheacking abs sensors and such
02:49:01 <rust_collector> not to mention that jyetech does support their stuff. I got a set of new slide switches, I just had to prove that it was not a clone, then they shipped them for free
02:51:50 <Nothing\> rust_collector: is that those jyetech kits? the dso138
02:51:57 <rust_collector> I might buy one of those white with rotary knob mini scope thingies some day.
02:51:59 <rust_collector> yes
02:52:04 <Nothing\> ah yeah, i have one of those
02:52:12 <Nothing\> yeah they're brilliant little things for the cost
02:52:16 <rust_collector> yep
02:52:20 <Nothing\> i paid $15 or $20 for mine assembled
02:52:30 <Nothing\> for some reason though, it won't trigger on events shorter than 100us
02:52:44 <rust_collector> and as they run off a little battery, they are very very portable
02:52:51 <Nothing\> i can set the timebase to 10us, but it won't trigger on anything at all for that
02:53:00 <Nothing\> but at 20us it will trigger, just not on anything shorter than 100us
02:53:27 <Nothing\> i just run mine off of a 9v mains adapter, mine didn't come with a battery holder or any means for using a battery
02:53:38 <rust_collector> I guess you can not demand a lot, from a thing like that.
02:53:54 <Nothing\> i wouldn't mind getting a case for it either, i'm always paranoid i'm gonna place it down on an errant piece of wire or some metal or something on my desk
02:54:08 <rust_collector> I used a boost converter module thing, and a samsung phone battery
02:54:27 <rust_collector> it did fit inside the case
02:54:28 <Nothing\> but yeah, it's really great for getting a waveform or measuring the frequency or duty cycle of a pwm signal
02:54:41 <Nothing\> considering the alternative would cost you a few hundred bucks
02:55:01 <Nothing\> it's too bad they didn't call it pulse width nodulation
02:55:07 <Nothing\> then they could call it PWN
02:55:34 <rust_collector> yeah, it is a shitty world
02:56:13 <Nothing\> it really is
02:56:31 <Nothing\> but i take solace in the smell of my testicles
02:56:48 <rust_collector> Hmm, I really should get some... uh, backprobing pins
02:56:56 <Nothing\> what's that?
02:57:14 <Nothing\> i should get some oscilloscope probes myself
02:57:33 <Nothing\> i had these clip probes, but the cord broke off where it connects to the probe :/
02:57:43 <rust_collector> ie, a needle/pin, to stick into the back of connectors, so you can measure what goes on without disconnecting
02:57:49 <Nothing\> they were only like a buck anyways but still, it's a pretty big inconvenience
02:58:33 <Nothing\> ah, still not entirely sure what you mean specifically, but i imagine something akin to how i clip probes onto the spring of a battery connector
02:59:04 <rust_collector> hmmm, I guess, sort of almost
02:59:35 <Nothing\> i've been thinking about getting a dremel as well, i feel like that would greatly aid in teardowns
03:00:31 <rust_collector> meh, big channellocks, and a hammer
03:02:00 <rust_collector> you can do a lot with a dremel. Just do not get too hung up about the name. they are nothing special. actually pretty crap, but yes, they can be very useful
03:02:16 <rust_collector> I like the proxxon "dremel"
03:03:00 <rust_collector> it just seems to be much more better
03:04:13 <rust_collector> and, forget about the battery ones. they are completely gutless
03:07:23 * Ampera steals the rust rust_collector has collected
03:08:57 <rust_collector> HA ha HAAAA! just try mr Ampera... rust is attached to me
03:09:05 * Ampera steals rust_collector
03:09:31 <rust_collector> HEY! that is... mmmm pizza
03:09:48 <Ampera> That's what all of the children in my basement once said.
03:11:22 <rust_collector> that is one of the good things about living somewhere that was occupied by the germans. they did build some pretty nice bunkers
03:11:58 <rust_collector> not to mention their fancy uniforms
03:12:00 <Ampera> rust_collector, germany?
03:12:31 <rust_collector> I think they built some in germany too
03:13:40 <rust_collector> It is a shame that the nazis did not win the war, because then I would not have to do all this work to learn german
03:14:09 <Ampera> wow racist
03:14:15 <T3sl4> i can think of think of something wrong with that statement
03:14:15 <Ampera> also yeah, man in the high castle looks pretty cool
03:14:27 <rust_collector> (and when I finally started to understand it a little bit, they started to speak english)
03:14:35 <Ampera> T3sl4, it's not punctuated?
03:14:59 <T3sl4> missing a period
03:15:20 <rust_collector> oh, I am very sorry.
03:16:06 <Ampera> T3sl4, to be fair, so does yours.
03:16:20 <T3sl4> indeed
03:16:25 <T3sl4> not capitalized either
03:17:16 <rust_collector> i Is foreigner man-be nice'
03:18:43 <rust_collector> and half asleep, which probably does not help much
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09:40:19 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/3nd1Rw5
19:44:09 * Halcyon1 mews at the room
19:44:20 <Halcyon1> Then Ampera, T3sl4, steve30 and coppice
19:44:25 * Ampera hurts Halcyon1
19:44:32 <Halcyon1> *hiss*
19:44:46 <Ampera> I gotta head the fuck out in 45 minutes
19:44:51 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon1
19:45:00 <Ampera> I guess me saying I couldn't chat was full of shit, I'm up so early I always hit you.
19:45:03 <Halcyon1> Aww :)
19:45:15 <Halcyon1> Yup
19:45:20 <Halcyon1> But it's good to see you Ampera
19:45:45 <Ampera> good to see you too
19:46:34 * steve30 meows at Halcyon1
19:46:41 <Halcyon1> :-D
19:46:57 <steve30> I'm going to my Dad's for lunch in a bit
19:47:02 <Halcyon1> Oh nice
19:47:16 <T3sl4> i hope he has coffee
19:47:26 <Ampera> gonna experiment with taking handwritten notes on my tablet.
19:47:39 <Halcyon1> Are you gone all day Ampera?
19:48:10 <Ampera> It's currently 05:47 and once I leave at 06:30 I'm gone until 07:00-ish
19:48:43 <Ampera> nope
19:48:47 <Ampera> I mean 19:00ish
19:48:51 <Halcyon1> I figured
19:49:04 <steve30> I went back to sleep for a couple of hours earlier :p
19:49:05 <Halcyon1> Which is when my time?
19:49:16 <Halcyon1> What time zone are you again?
19:49:25 <Ampera> Eastern Time (NY)
19:49:32 <Halcyon1> As in UTC - ?
19:49:54 <Ampera> EDT :P
19:50:04 <T3sl4> -4?
19:50:10 <Ampera> aye
19:50:10 <Ampera> that one
19:50:15 <Halcyon1> That means as much to me as ADST means something to you
19:50:16 <T3sl4> 3:49a right now
19:50:24 <Ampera> Halcyon1, it means you're +14 from me
19:50:52 <Ampera> I'm back 13 hours from now.
19:51:05 <Halcyon1> I'll probably be up then
19:51:15 <Halcyon1> You get home at 0900 my time
19:51:17 <Ampera> I also have IRC at the school, so I can talk and stuff.
19:51:42 <Halcyon1> I have a dentist appointment tomorrow so I can't sleep in all morning
19:52:54 <T3sl4> Halcyon1 when he sees steve30 https://imgur.com/gallery/4i48Fka
19:53:02 <Halcyon1> When you get some time Ampera, you'll have to show me how to create that encrypted volume
19:53:19 <Halcyon1> T3sl4, pretty accurate :P
19:53:29 <Halcyon1> Hahaha stupid cat, he'll be all moist
19:53:30 <Ampera> Uh
19:53:50 <Halcyon1> Aww I love puppies, they are so effing cute
19:53:52 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gocryptfs
19:53:58 <Ampera> that one is the easiest
19:54:06 <Ampera> follow instructions, let me know if you need help with them
19:54:12 <Halcyon1> I'll have to check if it's secure enough
19:58:09 <Ampera> it's a nice and simple FUSE filesystem, which can likely be easily set up and mounted without and kernel module or mkinitcpio bullshit
19:58:33 <Halcyon1> Cool cool
20:01:20 <Halcyon1> Ampera, how do I edit the Window Maker desktop menu thingy again?
20:01:54 <Halcyon1> Ahh disregard, figured it out
20:03:15 <K> hello
20:04:42 * steve30 nibbles Halcyon1
20:04:55 Nick: Halcyon1 is now known as Halcyon
20:05:01 Quit: Halcyon ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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20:05:05 <Halcyon> There we go
20:12:54 Quit: DHess_US ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
20:13:05 * steve30 was just having a little play with his 0.5 inches :D
20:13:47 <Halcyon> Hah
20:13:54 <Halcyon> Micro floppy?
20:14:07 <steve30> nah, CRT
20:14:11 <K> 12.7mm?
20:14:49 <T3sl4> 0.5" is a typical size for a boob tube
20:16:03 <steve30> anyway, I need to go to lunch. I'm hungry.
20:16:11 <Halcyon> Bye Steve!
20:16:54 <K> should i google "boob tube"
20:16:56 <K> ?
20:17:09 <Halcyon> I probably wouldn't
20:17:13 <Halcyon> T3sl4, care to explain?
20:18:01 <T3sl4> Halcyon, or more rather, the nipple on a boob
20:18:09 <K> "very skimpy piece of material covering a chicks tits, giving easy access to said tits to anyone so wishing"
20:18:22 <K> welp.
20:18:29 <T3sl4> "boob tube" is slang for television here >_>
20:18:47 <Halcyon> Right
20:18:55 <coppice> T3sl4: boob tube means both TV and clothing here
20:19:17 <T3sl4> we call that a "tube top"
20:20:49 * Halcyon doesn't know girly parts
20:21:04 <Halcyon> Although I know all about Dick Stickers
20:21:27 <Halcyon> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dick+stickers
20:22:00 <K> a cousin of Bill Stickers?
20:22:02 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/arFumom.jpg
20:22:25 <K> ah yes
20:24:21 <Halcyon> Hehe Bill Posters gets around here too
21:33:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, you still around?
21:35:36 <Halcyon> Yup
21:37:03 <T3sl4> Ampera, you still asquare?
21:37:15 <Halcyon> It's hip to be a square
22:00:24 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
22:00:27 <Ampera> I'mn actually in class :P
22:00:34 <Halcyon> Pay attention then
22:00:38 <Ampera> waiting for it to start
22:00:49 <Halcyon> I'm installing Windows 7 under QEMU
22:00:58 <Ampera> Are you using libvirt?
22:01:14 <Ampera> along with a frontend?
22:01:15 <Halcyon> *shrug* using Proxmox
22:01:25 <Ampera> oh some ready made thing
22:01:30 <Halcyon> Yup, works nicely
22:01:43 <Ampera> I'd do my /shrug, but I don't have it setup on weechat
22:01:52 <Halcyon> Don't be a hater, web GUI's make life much easier
22:01:57 <Halcyon> But I can dump into terminal if I want to
22:02:00 <Ampera> sometimes they do
22:02:03 <Ampera> sometimes they don't
22:03:24 <Ampera> pfsense is great for setting up the initial networking stuff
22:03:35 <Ampera> but when you start triyng to do more complicated stuff, the documentation goes out the window
22:03:54 <Ampera> not that pf had excellend documentation in general, but I probably was in the wrong place looking for stuff
22:05:13 <Ampera> anyways, bbl
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