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29:29 <rust_collector> Ampera: do you have any idea why a laptop refuses to start x? I tried plain debian, it installs fine, then blank screen. the consoles works fine, it is just the one with x. I also tried a 32 bit ubuntu, and it can not even start the installer, or maybe it can, but I can not see it. I have used this machine with mx, and that did work fine. I have not looked much into it yet, but if you have any
29:35 <rust_collector> ideas, that would be great
43:24 <Ampera> rust_collector, X relies on graphics drivers in order to operate, sometimes these are not set properly or use the wrong ones, especially on distros like debian and ubuntu which tend to include a bunch of them
43:41 <Ampera> to start, generate a new xorg.conf by (as su) X -configure
44:02 <Ampera> then (as su) cp /root/xorg.conf.new /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/xorg.conf
44:28 <Ampera> you can now edit it and find a string that correlates to the driver. vesa can be used for testing.
44:47 <Ampera> If you have nvidia drivers, download nvidia (or the package that contains it for your distro), reboot, and set the driver to nvidia
44:55 <Ampera> *if you have an nvidia card
45:10 <Ampera> if you have an intel card, download xf86-video-intel and set the driver to intel
45:29 <Ampera> keep in mind the nvidia driver only works with cards 400 series and newer
45:42 <rust_collector> heh, yeah, xorg.conf. I can not even remember the last time I used that. But that would be worth a try
46:04 <Ampera> It's not as complicated as you think. X does a good job of generating new ones, you just need to set the correct driver.
46:21 <rust_collector> No, I used it before... year and years ago
46:46 <rust_collector> I just almost forgot it was a thing
47:04 <Ampera> AMD GPUs are a bit more complicated, you might need to use xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-amdgpu
47:10 <Ampera> the arch wiki has info on which is needed for what
47:39 <Ampera> Do not use the modesetting driver, people will tell you that you should, but there can be issues with it (those same people will also say the opposite)
47:40 <rust_collector> yeah, This is a very basic intel laptop, built in all the things
48:01 <Ampera> alright, then it's likely xf86-video-intel you need, and for the video driver to be intel
49:10 <rust_collector> Well, thanks for the idea. I might mess with it a bit more later. Right now, I am extremely busy....
49:19 <Ampera> standby a sec
49:39 <rust_collector> well, officially, I am installing a ventilator fan in the kitchen, lol
49:57 <Ampera> https://pastebin.com/YmjvmexN
50:11 <Ampera> This is the driver section in my mac mini's xorg.conf
50:27 <Ampera> for an intel device it should look like this, but generate one, don't rely on any default values here
50:39 <Ampera> "TearFree" might be a value you'd like to set.
51:36 * T3sl4 sets Ampera's shampoo to tearfree
51:46 <Ampera> what am I, a baby?
51:53 * T3sl4 nods
52:06 * rust_collector replaces all shampoo with glue
52:25 * T3sl4 reduces rust_collector with hot carbon
52:36 <rust_collector> neat
47:08 <rust_collector> ok, so, it could not find the i915.ko
47:12 <rust_collector> interesting
47:24 <rust_collector> new kernel, and it "just works"
55:16 <rust_collector> not that I know why I installed this. I give it 2 days
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57:45 <steve30> hi T3sl4
01:10 <T3sl4> how's your day steve30?
01:30 <steve30> ok, i've been out all day
01:57 <T3sl4> nice to be back again? :D
02:02 <steve30> yeah
11:15 <rust_collector> is it time for a nap?
05:26 <Ampera> rust_collector, that's the kernel module for intel cards
05:40 <Ampera> it's possible your kernel just didn't have it
19:21 <rust_collector> yes, that is what it looks like, and that is pretty weird. especially that neither ubuntu or debian had them
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22:24 <rust_collector> the wife has been buying things again.
23:00 <rust_collector> I just hooked up her sound bar thing to the tv. it uses an optical cable.
23:17 <rust_collector> Now... I don't know how to turn on the damn tv
41:50 <steve30> maybe you have to ask it nicely
41:59 <steve30> "TV... Please turn on."
42:10 <T3sl4> Main screen turn on.
44:11 <coppice> you turn on a TV by complimenting its slimline appearance
37:34 <rust_collector> Do you think I can get away with feeding it some porn?
38:07 <rust_collector> I am not good at complimenting...things
06:50 <Ampera> rust_collector, it's possible that's the module for the xf86-video-intel driver, the modesetting one might have a different one
07:08 <Ampera> or maybe that module is for older intel cards, and they only include one for newer ones
07:25 <Ampera> is why I'm a fan of arch linux (part of why), since the kernel is mostly as is from upstream
08:21 <rust_collector> yeah. Arch does not agree with me, most of the time. I have tried it a few times, and it is rare for an install to last more than a week
08:49 <rust_collector> I did have a good arch install on my old pentium4, out in the garage
09:52 <rust_collector> hmm, what was that again... I think it used a weird btrfs raid , sort of like a raid 0 and raid 1 mix.
10:19 <rust_collector> but it had evilwm, and did all I needed it to wery well
10:20 <Ampera> Arch is pretty much what I use for everything that's not a server
10:25 <Ampera> I even run Arch on my tablet
10:55 <rust_collector> right. you do use what you get used to, I guess
11:05 <Ampera> For older machines, Arch is often the only choice. I'm currently using a prescott-era celeron laptop (P4 Celeron) that's also IA-32 only with 512MB of RAM
11:33 <Ampera> My dad tried a handful of distros when it was his laptop, and was just going on about how linux sucks becuase they "removed support for the laptop's BIOS"
11:42 <Ampera> I'm currently installing X all while proving him wrong
13:29 <rust_collector> I do notice it has been a while, since I messed with this stuff
15:07 <Ampera> I highly suggest you do. I've never known more about computing than I have now, and have been getting incredible functionality simply out of knowing how shit works
15:24 <Ampera> all the problems that people get cranky about when they try to use Linux (like X not working) are things that I can solve with no problem
15:37 <Ampera> and it's just experimenting, messing around, having fun, trying out new environments and new things
17:11 <rust_collector> I have done that. It is just that the last year or two, I have just used the thing that was on the computer, and works.
17:16 <Ampera> I also genuinely had a lot of fun, for me it's been an experience I wish I could go through again
18:11 <rust_collector> I have to see if I can get my old fattened up thin clinet working again
18:27 <Ampera> obese client?
18:33 <rust_collector> yup
18:47 <rust_collector> does arch have sis graphics drivers?
19:31 <rust_collector> the last time, I used a...oh what was it called...
20:10 <Ampera> rust_collector, probably, let me check
20:23 <rust_collector> it was a custom linux. I used arch or debian packages to install things. it was interesting
20:42 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SiS
20:45 <Ampera> uh, sort of
20:51 <rust_collector> installing was ie extracting the packages to /
20:54 <Ampera> keep in mind the wiki might not be the most up to date
21:50 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, sisimedia sounds familiar
22:51 <rust_collector> heh, I guess I do have an arch install, because the pogoplug used arch.
23:05 <rust_collector> I have one, but I never really used it, lol
24:28 <Ampera> The only thing that I use that isn't arch is FreeBSD
24:41 <Ampera> which is quite similar to arch in principle and implementation, but it's Unix instead of Linux
26:45 <rust_collector> I once replaced the kernel on windows7. that was quite interesting, and I am not going to try that again, lol
27:18 <Ampera> I've done that before on Windows XP, replacing the kernel with a Server 2003 kernel so that the retarded arbitrary PAE restrictions weren't a thing
27:24 <Ampera> and I could get my full 4GB of RAM
27:32 <rust_collector> I think the thing was that I wanted the pae kernel, on w7 starter
27:52 <Ampera> Yeah there is no NT6.1 with PAE, afaik
28:22 <Ampera> the last windows version with non-limited PAE was Server 2003 R2
30:21 <rust_collector> I am not really sure if I want to try to get a few things working on non-windows again, I do have plenty of machines, so I can have a couple with winders on them. Things like the car diagnostics, and the owon usb scope
32:15 <rust_collector> the scope is the most annoying, as it is a java thing, so it should almost work on "anything" with java. But I am not sure it is worth it
32:39 <rust_collector> smarter people have failed many times
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40:03 <Halcyon> Morning all
40:53 <rust_collector> moaning, Halcyon
40:59 <Halcyon> How are things?
41:12 <rust_collector> things are confusing
41:19 <rust_collector> like usual
41:26 <Halcyon> Oh?
41:53 <rust_collector> mmhmmm. there is always something to wonder about
42:03 <Halcyon> What are you wondering about today?
42:59 <rust_collector> today, I am wondering if I should clean the pots in my scope, because I don't know if my shitty circuit is acting up, or if it is just the scope, lol
44:11 <rust_collector> I made a little oscillator circuit, and just wanted to see what it does
44:45 <Halcyon> Sounds like you need a second scope :P
45:32 <rust_collector> well.. who does not?
45:41 <Halcyon> I wish I had one to start with
45:45 <rust_collector> And, I do have a one
46:00 <Halcyon> I just don't have the disposible cash to dump on something I'll use only now and then
46:36 <rust_collector> I paid somewhere around 50-60 dollars for this old anchor
46:50 <rust_collector> and it just looks awesome, just sitting there
47:17 <Halcyon> Hmm yeh I could go second hand I suppose
47:42 <Halcyon> We have this really old HP scope at work with a CRT display, couldn't tell you the model number but it's in almost mint condition
47:50 <rust_collector> iIrc, I paid less for the usb scope, which I guess has similar specs, but has memory and stuff
47:53 <Halcyon> I hasn't been used in many years
48:41 <rust_collector> maybe go and see if the thing works?
48:49 <Halcyon> Oh it works
49:05 <Halcyon> I want it, but it needs to be written off the asset register before I can take it
49:09 <rust_collector> ok, blow the fuse, and it will be much cheaper
49:17 <Halcyon> They were almost going to toss it in the trash last time we had a clean up
49:58 <rust_collector> yeah, that is a thing that annoy me with larger companies and government stuff and such
50:07 <Halcyon> There is SO much waste
50:37 <rust_collector> I remember watching my old school tumping the machine tools out the window, into a dumpster
50:46 <Halcyon> I've saved a bunch of things from hitting the dumpster at work, including two brand new Cisco IP conference phones.
50:54 <Halcyon> They were getting thrown because they weren't being used
52:57 <rust_collector> we got a new building at work, and no electronic thing was allowed into it, from the old building.
53:10 <Halcyon> Oh wow, why?
53:37 <rust_collector> computers, cables, anything that can be hooked up to anything had to be recycled
54:02 <Halcyon> Because they just wanted all new stuff?
54:07 <rust_collector> they say they are worried about safety things.
54:13 <Halcyon> Riiiiight
54:18 <rust_collector> yea
54:33 <rust_collector> I got a bunch of neat things, so that is fine
54:39 <Halcyon> Because things like PC's and servers have a tendancy to just catch fire or kill people :P
55:01 <Halcyon> What I *really* want it some DDR3 ECC RAM for my server. But it's so bloody expensive!
55:06 <rust_collector> well, I think you know a thing or two about networked things
55:19 <Halcyon> I'm having a look at auction sites at the moment hoping to find some ex-govt servers
55:56 <rust_collector> hmm. I can have a look when I am at the recycling place
56:19 <Halcyon> That would be excellent if you could
56:22 <rust_collector> hmm, I think they are called arrow, this week
56:30 <Halcyon> I don't know why but DDR3 is so expensive
57:23 <Halcyon> https://www.kingston.com/dataSheets/KVR16E11_8.pdf
57:32 <Halcyon> This is currently what I have in there, as long as it meets those specs
57:59 <Halcyon> I *think* it has to be dual rank memory, this server is a little bit picky about what it accepts
00:13 <rust_collector> I see what you mean by expensive
00:18 <Halcyon> Yuhuh!
00:32 <rust_collector> RAM 32GB DDR3 ECC HMT84GL7MMR4A-H9
00:43 <rust_collector> 90 pcs
01:11 <rust_collector> cost is a bit more than a good 2 year old car
01:39 <rust_collector> is there a max size you can use
01:42 <rust_collector> ?
02:52 <Halcyon> Hmm, I'll check...
02:59 <Halcyon> Need to find the model number of the board
03:13 <rust_collector> that, and how many you need
04:28 <Halcyon> So that's the board: https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C202_C204/X9SCA-F.cfm
04:42 <Halcyon> 4x sockets
04:57 <rust_collector> max 32
04:58 <Halcyon> Only goes up to 32GB which is a bit sad
05:04 <Halcyon> But it is an old server
05:17 <rust_collector> and you had 8, or 2x8?
05:25 <Halcyon> 2x 8GB at the moment
05:33 <rust_collector> ok
05:51 <Halcyon> Ideally if I could find the same RAM as there is now, saves mixing types
29:23 <rust_collector> try to remind me next week. I think it is time for a nap now
29:38 <Halcyon> Have fun
29:51 <rust_collector> uuh. you too
30:12 * DogWomble peers in
30:28 <rust_collector> TA DAA!
30:35 <rust_collector> ok, good night
30:38 <DogWomble> and for your next trick
30:48 <Halcyon> Howdy
31:07 * DogWomble waves
32:13 * T3sl4 pokes Halcyon with a red grape
33:08 <Halcyon> Ow, that has seeds in it
33:39 <T3sl4> seeds to me you should've moved then
33:44 <Halcyon> :P
34:00 <Halcyon> I need someone to rub my shoulder
35:28 * T3sl4 offers Halcyon a can of Jamaican jerk
35:57 <Halcyon> Nom
36:03 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YULgJf_
36:07 <Halcyon> Interesting stuff
36:17 <T3sl4> 404
36:20 <T3sl4> :/
36:33 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YULgJf_48FQ
36:34 <Halcyon> Try that
36:46 <DogWomble> Error 404, This haiku is not found now, Try again later
36:52 <T3sl4> ah
37:46 <Halcyon> It's amazing the detail in these plastic reproductions
58:47 * Ampera throws a knife at Halcyon 
58:53 <Halcyon> That's mean
59:00 * Ampera throws a larger knife at Halcyon 
59:06 <Halcyon> Bitch
59:18 * DogWomble puts on his asbestos knife proff suit
59:55 * Ampera throws a claymore at Halcyon 
59:57 <T3sl4> Halcyon: let's call him Scary Terry
00:01 * Halcyon is browsing the Vintage Computing section on ebay
00:14 <DogWomble> any fun finds Halcyon ?
00:18 <Halcyon> Not yet
00:23 <Halcyon> Mostly crap
00:30 <Ampera> I mean
00:31 <Ampera> yeah
00:35 <Ampera> that's what legacy computing is
00:57 <Halcyon> Heh, crap as in people selling old Windows manuals etc... which no one ever read
01:14 * Ampera throws a bayonet at Halcyon 
01:50 <DogWomble> yeah, i've noticed it tends to have some people trying their luck, i remember seeing a fairly generic HP late pentium 2/3 in there where they wanted several hundred dollars
02:04 <Halcyon> Oh yeh absolutely
02:13 <DogWomble> if the machine was somewhat of a classic, maybe, but it was just a fairly generic HP machine
04:37 * Ampera throws a martini-henry at Halcyon 
04:57 <Halcyon> You're in a nasty mood today Ampera
05:14 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/Fago1KX.gif
05:19 * Ampera throws a ceramic tile at Halcyon 
05:49 * Ampera throws a hatchet at Halcyon, proceeds to bury it, but in T3sl4's back
06:22 <T3sl4> hey, that cut the knot in my back
06:23 <Halcyon> This looks interesting: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Apple-Macintosh-M0130-external-400k-floppy-drive/223647239293?hash=item34126a0c7d:g:ai0AAOSwr-ZdbEIc
06:26 <T3sl4> feels good man
08:07 * Ampera throws T3sl4 at Halcyon 
08:16 <Halcyon> No givsies backsies
08:27 <Ampera> I feel the intense desire to hurt other people and myself.
09:12 <Halcyon> Maybe you should get into kink like Steve
09:18 <Ampera> lol
09:26 <Ampera> maybe steve should get into kink like me
10:06 <Halcyon> Mmm tempting: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/vintage-computer/362743239506?hash=item54752e9352:g:wxcAAOSwkr1dbYlj
10:25 <Ampera> lol
10:30 <Ampera> I wouldn't waste my money on that old shit
10:38 <Halcyon> $25
10:46 <Ampera> for a celeron
11:07 <Halcyon> I know it's nothing special but it's one of those brand name machines
11:13 <Halcyon> Not like some generic beige box
11:23 <Halcyon> I actually quite liked those cases
11:45 <Halcyon> Although it's a long way to drive
16:17 <damian> haven't seen one of those in a while
16:27 * Ampera throws a puppy at damian 
16:28 <Halcyon> We used to have those in at school
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16:51 <Ampera> eyy the cert is not broken anymore
17:05 <damian> yeah i fixed it up
17:18 <damian> if you always connect to lego the certificate will always be right, just sayin' ;P
17:25 * Ampera shoots Halcyon with an SVT-40
19:18 <Halcyon> Stop throwing shit at me :P
19:30 * Ampera throws shit at Halcyon 
19:35 <Halcyon> Mean
19:43 <Ampera> no, depression
19:45 * Halcyon throws some vegetables at Ampera
19:48 <Ampera> pain
19:56 <Ampera> inability to feel joy, and overwhelmed with pain
20:02 * Ampera throws Halcyon at a wall
20:06 * Ampera holds Halcyon down
20:13 * Ampera undresses Halcyon 
20:39 <Halcyon> Mmm :P
21:18 <Halcyon> Also, side note, I'm really enjoying Proxmox
21:25 <Ampera> I think I might have to go to bed, I feel like shit
21:31 <Halcyon> Aww
22:03 <Ampera> all I can think about is dying
23:22 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
23:26 <Ampera> ew gay
23:35 <Halcyon> Well fuck ya then
23:36 <Halcyon> Go without
23:55 <Ampera> I'd prefer you killed me instead
24:03 <Halcyon> Nah, it's a bit illegal
24:17 <Ampera> maybe I'll just kill myself then
24:28 <Ampera> few would miss me for long
25:07 <Halcyon> I'd miss you
25:12 <Ampera> not for long
25:20 <Halcyon> Lies
25:33 <Ampera> the pain you might feel for a few moments would be insignificant compared to the pain I would no longer feel
26:50 <Halcyon> You would be right
26:58 <Ampera> I'm always right
27:05 <Halcyon> Well....
27:22 <Ampera> that's the problem, I know too well that there is no solution to my pain besides more pain
27:35 <Ampera> there is no solution is a sentence that rings through my head all too often
29:42 <Halcyon> I'll get your box sent away this week
29:47 <Halcyon> Hopefully it will make you happy
29:50 <Ampera> That'll be nice
33:54 <Ampera> Thanks for sending me things, Halcyon, I very much appreciate it.
36:31 <Halcyon> You're welcome, although I haven't sent them yet
36:47 <Halcyon> I need to get a sturdy cardyboard box from work though, we have heaps of them.
38:44 <Halcyon> Fuck this is expensive: https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/rediform-computer-paper-11-x-9-5-plain-paper-box-of-2000-ba119570c
42:59 <Ampera> oh yeah those are
43:05 <Ampera> I have a box of it though that I got for free
43:16 <Ampera> I think I might want to save it for if I ever get a TTY
43:42 <Halcyon> I found a store locally that sells it for half that
43:50 <Halcyon> It's as cheap as Ill get I think
45:23 <Ampera> I'd love to get a box of original Telex paper
45:28 <Halcyon> Anyway I'll be back soon, just going to the shops, are you still going to be around Ampera?
45:35 <Halcyon> Hah yeh that would be awesome
45:43 <Ampera> Probably not I'm about to do a sleepy
45:47 <Halcyon> Alrighty
45:50 <Ampera> so I can clear my mind and stop thinking about suicide
46:01 <Halcyon> Hopefully talk to you later then
46:01 <T3sl4> mmm, sleep
46:14 <Ampera> hopefully not, but I'm probably not gonna be so lucky
46:21 <Halcyon> :P
46:50 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera so tightly he can't reach for a knife
47:07 * Ampera reaches for a gun instead, commits suicide
47:25 <Halcyon> Not until after you get my package Ampera
47:31 <Halcyon> I didn't go to this effort for nothing
47:51 <Ampera> alright I'll kill myself after I get your package
47:55 <Halcyon> Good
57:50 <Halcyon> I'm back
11:22 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera, when you're back, I have a small project for you if you're interested
12:41 <Halcyon> Or steve30
12:49 <Halcyon> It involves cats and photoshop
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10:39 <steve30> hi Halcyon
14:13 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
28:24 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
29:03 <steve30> I went to see fetish guy yesterday
54:13 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
54:19 <Halcyon> How did it go?
07:04 <steve30> I got a good spanking :p
07:11 <Halcyon> I bet :P
07:16 <Halcyon> Were you a naughty boy?
08:18 <steve30> I maintained that I'd been a good boy, but he seemed to think good boys were worthy of corporal punishment as well.
31:05 <Halcyon> Hahaha
31:09 <Halcyon> Oh dear
31:18 <Halcyon> So which part of you is sore today?
32:18 <steve30> I'm actually not sore :)
33:17 <Halcyon> Oh nice
33:53 <steve30> anyway, i'm off out now
33:54 <steve30> bbl
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34:01 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
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38:56 <rust_collector> hey-ooo
40:03 <steve30> o/
46:23 <rust_collector> arrgh, new day.....new.....day
46:38 <rust_collector> how are things in over there?
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