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05:54 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
05:54 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Apr  5 08:23:43 2015
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22:11 <s_gmusic> anyone have pathfinder unchained yet?
23:00 <Steven> i wont have it until they release the pdf to be sold.  I'm not signing up on the subscription...
23:25 <Avatar> we got through half of it today
23:33 <Avatar> barely
23:45 <Avatar> ever so barely
24:24 <Steven> have you run into the <redacted> that does <redacted> when he <redacted> to a person.
24:38 <Avatar> ah no I don't think so
24:48 <s_gmusic> lol steven
24:56 <Steven> just wait for it man... fucking glorious
25:11 <Avatar> look all I know is I think I am going to kill everyone I see in every game from now on
25:49 <Avatar> prestige be damned, these venture captains don't know what's going on 
25:58 <Steven> yeah... that part is pretty fucking hilarious
26:01 <Avatar> I thought they had it together and people were talking crazy but now I think they might have been onto something
26:26 <Steven> just wait till p4... /mindblown
26:43 <Avatar> man after today I dont' know if we will make it to part 4
26:59 <Avatar> the only thing that makes me think twice is that we have made it this far
27:05 <Avatar> by the skin of our teeth 
27:57 <Steven> thats how its supposed to be.
28:18 <Steven> after eyes its all downhill on the excitement of play really.
28:25 <Avatar> that's the last we'll see of FireLantern
28:36 <Steven> it basically becomes a nuke fight.
28:52 <Steven> oh look i won initiative... They're dead.
29:08 <Avatar> that's not how it is in eyes?
30:14 <Steven> nah... in eyes there huge reveals.
30:28 <Steven> and unique creatures that do crazy cool things.
30:43 <Avatar> we have a sorcerer who has taken a few cheesery spells and we have a monk who has AC up the wazoo and does decent damage, and we have me the gunslinger who provokes to pieces but does crazy damage if I can get into a position where I can shoot
31:09 <Avatar> look that barbarian was worse than anything we saw today
31:27 <Avatar> he started his first round walking right up to me, the gunslinger
31:40 <Steven> yeah... that guy was awesome.
31:45 <Avatar> holy fucking shit
31:50 <Avatar> would not let up
32:18 <Avatar> just so we're clear, to remind you, ranged attackers provoke when they shoot
32:26 <Avatar> and for some reason I thought snap shot would let me shoot without provoking
32:34 <Avatar> but that's point blank master
32:42 <Avatar> snap shot does a whole lot of no good
32:54 <Avatar> I am not sure why it is appealing at all
33:13 <Avatar> i'm sure there was another feat like point blank master that doesn't require 4 levels of fighter
33:30 <Steven> yeah... im not really a fan of snap shot.  Its decent against casters... but how often does a caster get in melee with the ranged characters.
33:53 <Steven> crossbow master does the no provoke thing
34:11 <Avatar> I'm using a gun
34:14 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you find yourself prone a lot?
34:29 <Avatar> not really, only occasionlaly
34:33 <Avatar> otherwise I'd get the boots
34:38 <Avatar> but when I'm prone, I'm usually quite fucked
34:57 <Avatar> I stand, I provoke, I 5ft step and shoot once
35:07 <Avatar> then they 5ft step to me and full attack
35:16 <Mekkis> Why not just full-attack while prone?
35:30 <Avatar> because that provokes and I can't move
35:31 <Steven> isnt there a weapon enchantment that stops provoking
35:49 <Avatar> I was on 20hp for most of today, when I had hp
35:52 <Mekkis> sure, but they then take a full-attack from your gun, and fall over
36:02 <Avatar> dealing with a barbarian who loved to hit for at least 30hp per hit
36:14 <Avatar> I nearly died twice
36:24 <Avatar> and I wasn't the only one in jeopardy
36:27 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/nimble-shot
36:46 <Mekkis> shit that's shit
36:50 <Avatar> I've never heard of nimble shot, but I can't afford +4
36:56 <Avatar> it already has holy and seeking
37:26 <Avatar> I actually wouldn't mind taking those off it to put that on
37:50 <Steven> my gunquisitor has greater reliable on his weapon.
37:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, your problem is that you take the wrong risks
37:55 <Steven> because missfiring sucks dick.
38:11 <Avatar> nah forget reliable, that is the best drawback a gunslinger can have
38:57 <Steven> i just built my gunquisitor really well and then throttle him back.
39:00 <Avatar> nobody knows what the feat I'm after is
39:14 <Avatar> I'm certain there was a don't-provoke feat that just had some other pre-reqs
39:27 <Mekkis> In that particular case: either you're prone and full-attack them, or you're upright and get off a single attack. You still get full-attacked next turn.
39:28 <Avatar> maybe a grit feat
39:41 <Steven> instead of full attacking, I vital strike.
39:51 <Avatar> i'm not explaining well enough mekkis
39:59 <Avatar> in the situations i've been in, that's just been a terrible option to take
40:08 <Avatar> like there are other guys around who will start whacking if I don't start moving
40:17 <Avatar> and with me at a -4 AC if I stay prone
40:19 <Mekkis> and a 5' step is enough?
40:32 <Avatar> sometimes it is
40:39 <Avatar> it opens options like withdrawing as well
40:46 <Avatar> staying prone is hugely risky
41:14 <Avatar> if it's not risky, then yes I would stay prone and full attack, but that's never the case
41:22 <Avatar> or it never has been at least
41:49 <Avatar> !feat deft shootist deed
41:50 <diebot> Avatar, DEFT SHOOTIST DEED [Grit] You keep an eye out while focusing on your weapon, allowing you to avoid attacks while shooting and reloading firearms. Prerequisites: Grit class feature or Amateur Gunslinger feat, Dodge, Mobility. Benefit: As long as you have at least 1 grit point, you do not provoke attacks of opportunity when shooting or
41:50 <diebot> reloading a firearm.
41:50 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
41:57 <Avatar> there it is
42:38 <Mekkis> don't get me wrong: as someone who played Eyes of the Ten with a wizard with 79hp, I understand that getting full-attacked by a barbarian is not a good option either way
44:25 <Avatar> yeah the first thing that barbarian did when he appeared was walk up to me when I was on 3/4 of my hp and hit me once, then I made the mistake of trying to 5ft step away to shoot him
45:15 <Steven> my healer got punched w/ a held harm spell.
46:03 <Mekkis> Took you to negatives on the subsequent full-attack?
46:14 <Steven> hell no, i hit my get out of jail free card.
46:28 <Steven> and ddoored the fuck out of that hit.
46:30 <Steven> shit
46:30 <Mekkis> I meant Avatar 
46:52 <Avatar> yeah
47:02 <Avatar> that was the first time
47:22 <Avatar> then stephen's character came in with the first breath of life
47:37 <Mekkis> Good old slip
47:41 <Avatar> all of us walking up was probably a bad idea but we were out of choices
51:17 <Mekkis> But if you can't confidently take a full-attack by a barbarian, you should have some way of preventing that that's a bit more reliable than "stand up and hope to withdraw the next turn"
54:29 <Mekkis> I think THAT'S your problem
54:43 <Mekkis> !search attacks of opportunity
54:44 <diebot> Mekkis, 53 items found and PMed to Mekkis.
54:52 <Avatar> that's not how it happened man
55:00 <Mekkis> !search provoking attacks of opportunity
55:00 <diebot> Mekkis, Daredevil Softpaws,Daredevil Boots,Stagger-Proof Boots,Grappler's Mask,Shield Of Covered Retreat,Armband Of The Golden Serpent
55:56 <Mekkis> it doesn't matter how it happened, I'm trying to solve the generic case for you
55:58 <Avatar> snap shot was meant to deal with this provoking issue
56:22 <Avatar> I don't know why I thought it worked that way 
56:34 <Avatar> I was tossing up several times and there's no way that feat is any good for me
56:52 <Avatar> between snap shot and I'm pretty sure deft shootist was the alternative
56:58 <Avatar> for quite a while
57:30 <Avatar> it might have been that I wanted to either not provoke OR threaten when things walked past me
57:38 <Avatar> but not both
58:01 <Avatar> and I ended up choosing snap shot because I thought it did both
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17:52 <Mekkis> Avatar, did you consider shooting the barbarian in the torso to stagger him?
21:37 <Avatar> shooting in the torso threatens a critical, which I do automatically anyway with improved critical
21:49 <Avatar> targetting isn't very good
22:38 <Avatar> maybe I lie now that I look at the options again
22:49 <Avatar> torso is useless but the rest might have been helpful
23:02 <Avatar> but I was constantly on the run, otherwise I would've been shooting him 5 times
23:04 <Mekkis> I agree, targetting isn't very good. But there are some situations where it's useful
23:31 <Mekkis> !findchar Bucj
23:33 <Mekkis> !findchar Buck
23:39 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Bucj.
23:40 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Buck. number: 308( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308 ) number: 324( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=324 )
23:40 <Avatar> grit's usually valuable just because I'm always misfiring and having to quick clear
24:11 <Mekkis> !history 308
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r530 | vpsirc | 2014-12-19 00:11:05 -0500 (Fri, 19 Dec 2014) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r233 | vpsirc | 2013-08-25 00:10:31 -0400 (Sun, 25 Aug 2013) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r162 | vpsirc | 2013-06-01 00:09:54 -0400 (Sat, 01 Jun 2013) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r132 | vpsirc | 2013-04-25 00:12:14 -0400 (Thu, 25 Apr 2013) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r64 | vpsirc | 2013-01-28 00:18:10 -0500 (Mon, 28 Jan 2013) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r30 | vpsirc | 2012-10-04 00:10:34 -0400 (Thu, 04 Oct 2012) | 1 line
24:13 <diebot> Mekkis, r3 | initial load | 2012-07-21 00:05:09 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
24:54 <Mekkis> !diff 308 r64
24:55 <diebot> Mekkis, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/308r64.txt
24:58 <Avatar> I only got to shoot in 5 turns the whole day, and only about half of those were all 5 of my attacks
25:22 <Avatar> in one of the full attacks, I misfired on the third shot, and shirt rerolled it and misfired again on the 5th shot
25:31 <Mekkis> Maybe Buck should be on Dobs
25:42 <Avatar> Dobs died a long time ago
26:30 <Mekkis> Buck has levels in Inquisitor?!
26:44 <Avatar> yeah, spellbreaker
27:19 <Mekkis> So.. Litany of Sloth
27:26 <Mekkis> Solves all your problems, right?
28:22 <Avatar> I keep forgetting I have it and what it does
28:32 <Mekkis> !spell litany of sloth
28:33 <diebot> Mekkis, LITANY OF SLOTH enchantment (compulsion[language-dependent, mind-affecting]) antipaladin 1, inquisitor 1, paladin 1 1 swift action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round Save: no SR:yesSource: Ultimate Combat
28:33 <diebot> With a litany against the wages of sloth, you slow the target's defenses. The target cannot make attacks of opportunity or cast spells defensively. While subject to this spell, the target cannot be the target of another spell that has the word "litany" in the title.
28:52 <Avatar> that does seem to let me get up
29:06 <Avatar> although there seems to be table variation on whether swift actions provoke
29:55 <Mekkis> Ask GM at start of game?
34:46 <Mekkis> I thought the table variation was not on whether swift action spells provoked
34:57 <Mekkis> It was on whether other swift actions provoked
38:44 <Avatar> I thought it was both
40:43 <Mekkis> nope
40:47 <Mekkis> CRB p213
40:58 <Mekkis>    A spell with a casting time of 1 swift action doesn’t count
40:58 <Mekkis> against your normal limit of one spell per round. However,
40:58 <Mekkis> you may cast such a spell only once per round. Casting a
40:58 <Mekkis> spell with a casting time of 1 swift action doesn’t provoke
40:58 <Mekkis> attacks of opportunity.
41:14 <Mekkis> no table variation
41:24 <Mekkis> not like the wrist sheath cheese
42:31 <Avatar> fair enough
48:14 <Mekkis> Then again, I was somewhat amused in Melbourne when the question came up: What kind of action is it to retrieve an item from a backpack?
49:55 <Fire> Hello everyone
55:12 <Mekkis> hello. Are you the fire, or its containment device?
58:20 <Mekkis> Are you yelling 'fire' in a crowded room?
00:39 <FireLantern> I was merly the fire itself, but then I discovered that IRC does not allow a space to exist in your username
04:24 <Mekkis> Fair enough
11:30 <Mekkis> !findchar Ulzef
11:31 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Ulzef. number: 629( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=629 )
15:26 <FireLantern> You fellow by the name Mekkis. Might I ask you how this whole thing works? I am reading the guide online but I am still not quite sure
15:48 <FireLantern> Does like the whole thing go trough irc?
15:53 <Mekkis> Oh, playing Pathfinder/D&D online?
15:59 <FireLantern> Yes
16:15 <Mekkis> How much do you know about Pathfinder/D&D?
17:20 <FireLantern> Me and a few of my friends started playing a month of so ago. We are using the beginners box rules and one day ago we went to a convention where we played our first PFS games. 
17:32 <Mekkis> Ah. Cool
17:34 <FireLantern> So I think that I have scratched the surface of the game
17:56 <Mekkis> Well, basically, we take the tabletop experience and bring it online.
18:27 <FireLantern> I mean i've played online twiceish online on roll20
18:48 <Mekkis> We generally use skype for voice chat, and either roll20, or a program that's been developed inhouse to do the mapping (DevCA)
20:27 <FireLantern> Yes i've seen the DevCA on the site. I was just a bit confused wheter you roleplay via text on IRC or via some other means. It didn't really make sense to me. 
20:36 <Mekkis> If you sign up online, you'll be able to receive emails when games are scheduled. If there are particular PFS scenarios you'd like to play, if you ask in here, it's likely Avatar or I will run it.
20:45 <FireLantern> Your sessions are set for Oceanic time right?
20:53 <Mekkis> The roleplaying is done through a combination of text and voice
21:00 <Mekkis> AEST.
21:13 <Mekkis> Australian Eastern Standard Time
22:46 <Mekkis> (if you sign up, the site will display them in your local time)
22:52 <FireLantern> Oh thats nice. I was trying to find some way to play PFS online as it happens once a monthish only where i live since the town is really small. 
23:23 <FireLantern> I found only a bunch of american stuff that is impossible for me to attend since it ends up being say 1 am for me if the play in the evening
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23:49 <FireLantern> Anyhow I'm haveing lunch atm, thanks for the info i'll ask you a few things once I come back if you will still be here
24:03 <FireLantern> I hope that in the end I will be able to join you people ^-^
24:20 <Mekkis> I'm always here. I might not be able to answer, being asleep, or at work. But I'm here.
24:39 <Mekkis> Don't be afraid to request scenarios, we don't mind running stuff based on that.
42:08 <FireLantern> I'm back in case you are still here.
59:28 <FireLantern> *cough* Fair citizents of mIRC! Do thou have any idea of how I can get my character sheet to realize that I am a smart fighter and that I rightfully deserve 5 skill points!?
28:06 <FireLantern> *cough*
28:08 <FireLantern> Anyone?
32:01 <FireLantern> I shall take that as no!
01:17 <FireLantern> Farewell stranger who I didn't speak a word to!
11:56 <Brunius> didn't you say that about me
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32:20 <Avatar> that was like a decade ago
32:26 <Avatar> I don't remember what I said
38:45 <Mekkis> the internet knows no statute of limitations :P
42:16 <Avatar> nevertheless I deny the allegation !
50:17 <Steven> that sounds like something avatar would say.
53:55 <Mekkis> Oct 02 21:47:28 <Avatar>        [20:49:00] for some reason I thought 5/good meant DR 5 when being attacked with good-aligned weapons
53:55 <Mekkis> Oct 02 21:47:28 <Ballig>        [20:49:15] ha
53:55 <Mekkis> Oct 02 21:47:28 <Brunius>       [20:55:08] I think I just crashed Avatar's computer
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48:57 <Mekkis> hmmm
49:27 <Mekkis> Turn 240 - Dido has won a Domination Victory. Time spent: 1 hour, 57 minutes
51:53 <Brunius> wait
51:59 <Brunius> isn't that what dr5/good means?
52:04 <Mekkis> no
52:16 <Brunius> I mean there's more
52:18 <Brunius> spells obviously
52:25 <Mekkis> it means DR 5, except when being attacked by good-aligned weapons
53:26 <Mekkis> Brunius, you should be able to answer this:
53:52 <Mekkis> What action is it to take an item out of a backpack (that ISN'T an handy haversack)?
54:08 <Brunius> move or as part of a move, isn't it?
54:20 <Brunius> I'm sure I saw a ruling that digging for a potion is a move
55:18 <Mekkis> Correct answer is: Move action that provokes.
55:44 <Brunius> I never even thought about provoking
56:14 <Mekkis> What do you think Stephen White and many other people at Conquest thought it was?
56:31 <Brunius> free
56:35 <Brunius> or swift, maybe
57:19 <Mekkis> they actually thought it was a standard
57:41 <Steven> I've had a GM impose a 'rule' that depending on how i packed my bag it could be anywhere from a move to a full round.
57:41 <Brunius> That would've been my distant third, but I wouldn't expect it at all
58:05 <Brunius> So Steven, give him an in-depth look at how your bag is packed every time you break camp
58:17 <Steven> it was really dumb.
58:24 <Mekkis> sure, it's an abstraction
59:19 <Steven> i solved it by unnecessarily buying a handy haversack.
59:41 <Steven> so i could always retrieve my cure potions.
02:05 <Mekkis> is aluminium available in Pathfinder?
02:16 <Brunius> Is there an official ruling on how long it takes to feed someone a potion?
02:21 <Steven> mithril
02:27 <Mekkis> yes
02:30 <Steven> yes, its a full round
02:30 <Brunius> Mekkis: Isn't most aluminium made from electric stuff
02:31 <Mekkis> Full-round action
02:39 <Brunius> I can't remember what it's actually called
02:50 <Brunius> But you put current through a solution and it forms on the terminals
02:58 <Mekkis> bauxite
05:11 <Steven> i like to think of aluminium as mithrils equivilent... but its probably more like titanium
10:45 <Mekkis> what's the combustion point of mithril?
28:20 <Steven> not defined
28:52 <Steven> i went and looked, couldnt find it.
46:29 <Mekkis> Brunius, tanks?
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18:22 <Steven> bored... kinda wanna play a game.
09:43 <Steven> need to update my plan for my core Arcane Archer
11:09 <Steven> think im going to change from a wizard to a sorc.
29:29 <Mekkis> heard anything about unchained?
29:49 <Mekkis> Is "forcing everyone to adopt the new classes in PFS" on the cards?
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