// #d&d — 2015-04-11
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00:40:18 <Mekkis> does DDDDD NNNN DDDD get you kicked?
00:40:26 <Mekkis> or is dicebot dead
00:59:50 <joyntjezebel> is there anyone active in this chat room
02:18:38 <Mekkis> yes
03:02:08 <Mekkis> !capacity 14
03:02:09 <diebot> Mekkis, 58 if medium, 43.5 if small.
03:12:33 <Mekkis> http://article.olduse.net/507%40udenva.UUCP
03:34:34 <Avatar> hi any1 active? ok bye
03:47:10 <Avatar> apparently in core you can choose from the bestiary
03:49:21 <Steven1> yo
03:51:49 <Avatar> ya
04:04:39 <Steven1> how goes it mang.
04:29:08 <Mekkis> moin
04:29:26 <Mekkis> I actually used that in QQ
05:05:14 <Steven1> i just hit myself right in the face with a piece of wood.
05:06:07 <Steven1> choppin wood and a piece flew off and ricochet
05:08:18 <Mekkis> lol
05:09:34 <Steven1> sittin here now, it is pretty fun... im pretty sure i woke up the neighbor with my cussing though
05:09:42 <Steven1> funny even
05:20:27 <Steven1> t-11hours 41 minutes
05:20:34 <Steven1> SKULL AND SHACKLES!
05:28:20 <Steven1> i might be showing up to that with a shiner
05:43:15 <Mekkis> I'll shine you
06:00:37 <Mekkis> :P
06:02:21 <Mekkis> Avatar, on your watermarked PDFs, is the watermark present on the inside of the cover?
06:04:27 <Steven1> corn or some fancy hipster shine?
06:23:07 <Avatar> dunno, I don't pay that much attention to it
06:23:15 <Avatar> it doesn't appear on the chronicle sheet
06:23:46 <Brunius_> Mekkis: On my bestiary it's on both the cover and inside cover
06:27:08 <Avatar> apparently in core you can choose from the bestiary
06:39:07 <Avatar> I can't believe once upon a time I struggled to get a character to tier 7-11
06:39:16 <steven> heh
06:39:17 <Avatar> now I can't keep my characters out of 7-11
06:39:34 <steven> i feel ya mang... most of my characters are in the 7-11 range now.
06:39:54 <Avatar> how is that happening
06:40:11 <Avatar> always having to slink back into playing low tier
06:40:18 <Avatar> low subtier
06:41:33 <steven> 8/24 characters are level 5 or less in regular pfs
06:42:36 <Steven1> cool.
06:42:42 <steven> then have a 6 and three 2s for core.
06:42:45 <Steven1> i think that was in the blog.
06:42:56 <Avatar> it wasn't clear in the blog, but mike commented
06:43:24 <Avatar> basically it's another fairly important ruling buried in a thread lost to oblivion
06:43:32 <Avatar> until gencon
06:43:40 <Steven1> If a Core Rulebook option advises that something found in the Core Rulebook is clarified in the Bestiary 1, then the player uses that specific option out of the Bestiary 1 to meet the requirement set forth in the Core Rulebook. That would include, but is not limited to, animal companions, special abilities, summon spells, etc... Only the Bestiary 1 is available for these extra options outside of the Core Rulebook.
06:43:50 <Steven1> thats pretty clear.
06:44:32 <Avatar> is that in the blog
06:44:38 <Steven1> yeah
06:44:43 <Avatar> well shiver me timbers
06:45:02 <Avatar> I don't know that it's "clarified" in bestiary 1
06:45:12 <Avatar> but it does list those as examples
06:45:19 <Avatar> so I guess that's what he meant
06:45:39 <Steven1> in beast 1 is lists the ACs available.
06:45:51 <Avatar> it lists extra ACs
06:45:57 <Avatar> lol core.
06:46:32 <steven> i love me somre core.
06:46:44 <steven> avatar! level 6 protegee character... go!
06:47:27 <Steven1> I don't remember, i've built like 3 druids now and i always end up rebuilding into domain at 2nd level.
06:47:30 <steven> apprenticed to Ahtuz, high intelligence wizard.
06:47:40 <Steven1> I really dislike having to run an AC because i always forget about it.
06:47:52 <steven> necromancer, worshiper of lissala
06:48:01 <Avatar> I had to use herolab to work out the stats for an AC once I think
06:48:09 <Avatar> or it might have been my familiar
06:48:19 <Avatar> the rules for it were really unclear
06:48:20 <Steven1> my core druid has a dog. because they are super uncomplicated.
06:48:31 <Avatar> but what about a giant frog
06:48:31 <Steven1> zero special abilities.
06:48:35 <Avatar> it can swallow whole bad guys
06:48:39 <Avatar> what?
06:48:44 <Avatar> and hits touch AC and has pull
06:48:59 <Avatar> if I had a frog that would eat bad guys, I would be saying, hey, cool.
06:49:00 <Steven1> see... special abilities.
06:49:12 <Avatar> I would say it every time my frog ate something
06:49:14 <Steven1> that aint me.
06:49:21 <Avatar> I think it would be you
06:49:27 <Avatar> you would be all hey, cool
06:49:43 <Avatar> my frog would be my character and the character would be the companion
06:49:53 <Avatar> oh he can cast druid spells? so what
06:50:16 <Avatar> my frog's companion casts CLW on it
06:50:48 <Steven1> yeah, see that aint me.
06:50:57 <Steven1> I like my halfling
06:51:12 <steven> i have a level 6 character to build
06:51:41 <steven> its my eyes of the 10 protege character
06:53:05 <Avatar> that sounds extremely spoilery
06:53:51 <steven> so many people know about it now its not a spoiler anymore.
06:54:16 <steven> telling people what they have to do to get it is still a spoiler.
06:54:20 <Avatar> it's not spoilery anymore now that you've told me
06:54:28 <Avatar> right while I'm in the middle of the damn thing
06:55:02 <steven> i thought you finished it like two weeks back... might have been mekkis
06:55:08 <steven> balls.
06:55:28 <Avatar> yeah mekkis was talking about something like that last night actually
06:56:17 <steven> anyways... level 6 character
06:56:25 <steven> I'm thinking multiclass.
06:57:06 <steven> no fewer then 3 classes.
06:57:21 <Avatar> skald/brawler/investigator
06:57:39 <Steven1> my awesome AC Dog named Patches.
06:57:46 <steven> what no prestige class.
06:59:10 <steven> hmmmm.... mebe i should use my aasimar boon.
07:00:40 <Avatar> want an ifrit
07:00:42 <Avatar> or a sylph
07:00:50 <Avatar> I have one or two
07:00:52 <steven> i already have thsoe.
07:01:02 <steven> i mostly sit on my boons.
07:01:03 <Avatar> you can have more
07:01:09 <Avatar> cool pass me an extra trait
07:01:25 <steven> i'd have to mail it.
07:01:35 <Avatar> just scan it
07:01:45 <steven> i was told i cannot do that.
07:01:52 <Avatar> by who
07:02:31 <steven> campaign leadership
07:02:38 <Avatar> mike?
07:04:32 <steven> no
07:04:46 <Avatar> john?
07:05:12 <steven> theres conflicting quotes, and im not going to send one out until it gets settled.
07:05:24 <Avatar> I'll settle it, you can do it
07:06:00 <steven> lol
07:06:01 <Steven1> +3 to hit for 1d4+1 damage.
07:06:09 <steven> it used to be like that.
07:06:24 <steven> a lot of things used to be a just do it situation.
07:07:08 <Avatar> +3 to bite for 1d4+1 blood
07:07:54 <Steven1> it really is a horrible AC lol
07:08:01 <Avatar> this one still is!
07:08:04 <steven> ugh i'll have to go through my pile of boons.
07:08:09 <Steven1> anyways... played Day of the Demon Tonight.
07:08:22 <Steven1> in Core
07:08:24 <Steven1> zero deaths.
07:09:03 <Steven1> one of the guys at the shop was going to play and i was going to GM
07:09:17 <Steven1> but he only had a level 3, and was going to have to play in the 6-7 tier.
07:09:23 <Steven1> and i told him, he would probably die.
07:09:26 <Avatar> lemme know which one you want
07:09:52 <Steven1> so instead he GM'd and everyone lived.
07:10:57 <Steven1> i did hit the boss with a thunder stone. it failed fort save and then proceeded to roll a 17 and a 4 on percentiles, so failed to cast because she was deaf.
07:11:10 <steven> 140 boons, no extra trait.
07:11:20 <Avatar> wow
07:12:33 <steven> every convention i print out 5 copies of the boons i get sent and then for every table i have them roll a d20 and on a 19-20 i hand them a boon.
07:13:06 <Steven1> was good times.
07:15:45 <Avatar> our VC gives 1 person at every table a boon
07:15:57 <Avatar> does this random minigame thingamabob
07:16:44 <steven> everything i've been told bout 10% per slot of getting a boon.
07:17:41 <steven> but if somebody comes and plays ever slot, i usually slip em a boon anyways.
07:17:53 <Avatar> I think it still works out somehow
07:18:16 <steven> but yeah, i've got 140 boons
07:18:17 <Avatar> 10% per slot per person is about right
07:18:52 <Avatar> impressive
07:18:58 <Avatar> the 20% chance never does a damn thing for me
07:19:07 <Avatar> which is a real problem because it's often my primary defense
07:19:14 <Steven1> i was super excited about it.
07:19:29 <steven> some of them are my personal boons, which are prolly around 40 or so.
07:20:13 <Steven1> so i guess we're going to play bonekeep with these characters.
07:20:27 <Avatar> it's really a pain when you say to the GM "wait wait! roll 20% miss chance!" and then he rolls, and goes "ok I hit" over and over and over and over
07:20:56 <Avatar> I mean statisically he should have failed by accident at that stage
07:21:50 <steven> i just dont use that many of the boons i get.
07:22:03 <Avatar> I don't think anyone does
07:22:13 <steven> only boon i've actually been enthused about was the GM star recharge.
07:22:29 <Avatar> I think I would trade that away
07:22:34 <Steven1> yeah
07:22:42 <Avatar> replaying scenarios doesn't do it for me
07:23:11 <steven> and then i found out i have one boon that if i am an elf and have an animal companion that is a bird i calculate its effective level as character level +1
07:23:25 <Steven1> i dislike when a gm has a screen and has like 4-5 creatures w/ 3 attacks each and never misses due to concealment/total concealment.
07:23:36 <steven> which im applying to my core character since boon companion isnt available.
07:23:52 <Steven1> and its like... okay you had 15 attacks 10 of which hit and none of them missed.
07:24:05 <Steven1> okay... okay. i can buy that.
07:24:08 <Steven1> next round same thing
07:24:17 <Steven1> and your like... hmm... that seems odd but okay.
07:24:28 <Steven1> and then third round same thing... I'm callin bullshit.
07:25:00 <steven> so at level 12 my eagle will be at effective druid level 4
07:25:21 <Mekkis> steven, do you have that boon that gives you a Dragon Empires Primer trait?
07:25:40 <steven> i dunno, i was only looking for extra traits.
07:26:09 <Steven1> I've had a gm that over the course of a session never missed... not one time. He always hit. even my AC of 28 in tier 8-9.
07:26:18 <Steven1> I was the tank.
07:26:49 <Steven1> aparantly AC only worked when you could see the dicerolls.
07:27:46 <steven> avatar... having troubles making this skald/brawler/investigator
07:27:51 <Steven1> that type of thing i why i roll out in the open at conventions and gamedays and if i need to fudge a number to keep someone alive i just change numbers on the statblock.
07:28:26 <Steven1> and if somebody calls out how the math is different, i just tell em not to worry bout it unless they want to use a 5k diamond.
07:30:34 <Avatar> it wasn't a serious suggestion
07:30:41 <Avatar> I played an investigator in confirmation the other day
07:30:45 <Avatar> really didn't like it
07:31:03 <Avatar> I'm glad I didn't lock myself into it with my level 2 character
07:32:23 <steven> damn it man... i took it serious.
07:32:39 <Steven1> think i've figured out what i'm going to build for my level 6 character.
07:32:51 <Steven1> gonna build my arcane archer from kingmaker.
07:34:04 <steven> i think im gonna make my oread elemental body exploit character
07:40:41 <steven> level 11 he is just always an earth elemental
07:48:11 <steven> dunno if i wanna go with arcanist, sorcerer/DD, or wizard
08:09:03 <Steven1> or.... i could build a pain taster.
08:09:46 <Steven1> since im sure my wizard would punish him severely for fuck ups.
08:10:50 <steven> methinks Arcanist is the way to go.
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08:38:11 <Steven1> damn whip proficiency is tough to get without burning a feat
08:53:49 <Mekkis> heh. most recent FAQ...
08:53:57 <Mekkis> Concealment and Precision Damage: Does concealment (the 20% kind, not total concealment) negate all kinds of precision damage? There is some confusion from the multiple places where precision damage appears.
08:53:57 <Mekkis> Yes, in general concealment does negate all kinds of precision damage, unless you have a special ability that particularly says otherwise like the Shadow Strike feat or the Unchained rogue’s sneak attack.
08:55:13 <Mekkis> is Roc a legal animal companion for Core? It's in the Bestiary
09:22:04 <Avatar> what's that about
09:22:34 <Mekkis> or the Unchained rogue’s sneak attack.
09:25:56 <Avatar> meaning what
09:29:02 <Mekkis> neither
09:33:45 <Mekkis> they'ree talking more about unchained
09:36:54 <Avatar> I didn't realise that book is coming out is only a couple of weeks
09:36:57 <Avatar> I thought it was coming out at gencon
09:37:13 <Avatar> they've released two blogs about it
09:37:18 <Avatar> in the past 2 weeks
09:49:11 <Mekkis> or a level dip
09:50:38 <Mekkis> I like the deafen + silence combo :P
10:01:51 <Mekkis> mmm
10:02:11 <Mekkis> hopefully it's a prelude to a Pathfinder reboot
10:22:24 <Avatar> Pathfinder 2nd edition methinx
10:41:36 <Mekkis> does DDDDD NNNN DDDD get you kicked?
10:41:44 <Mekkis> or is dicebot dead
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12:04:14 <Avatar> I like this: The pitch was simple: "Let us do a book filled with whatever crazy ideas we have floating around in our heads". He said "no". I said, "Wait though, allow me to explain, our crazy ideas might make the game better." He said "tell me more"
12:15:40 <Mekkis> really?
12:16:20 <Mekkis> I'd rather a pitch like "Let's go back and fix all those things that don't work, don't fit with the power level, and are really unintuitive, and put them in a book."
12:16:39 <Avatar> I like erik's reponses better
12:16:56 <Avatar> he said "no"
12:24:32 <Mekkis> Pathfinder doesn't need "new, crazy ideas"
12:30:05 <Avatar> oh yes it does
12:30:08 <Avatar> new crazy ideas will save the rogue
12:30:56 <Mekkis> not new and crazy
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16:17:18 <Mekkis> yes
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17:00:49 <Mekkis> !capacity 14
17:00:50 <diebot> Mekkis, 58 if medium, 43.5 if small.
17:03:00 <Avatar> isn't it listed somewhere as an animal you can take
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17:11:14 <Mekkis> http://article.olduse.net/507%40udenva.UUCP
17:15:06 <Avatar> what good is silence if you're using deafen
17:21:44 <Mekkis> you deafen them, so they don't realise they've been silenced
17:24:45 <Avatar> are you hoping they fail their spellcraft check
17:25:04 <Avatar> just a -5 penalty with the deafen
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17:28:47 <Mekkis> no
17:29:05 <Mekkis> just do it out ofosight
17:35:28 <Avatar> gotcha
17:45:31 <Mekkis> they just feel that they've been constantly failing their 20%
18:03:51 <Avatar> I'd say it's as valid a source as a monster is for a wizard's summon spell
18:06:04 <Avatar> a giant frog animal companion would be pretty cool
18:06:11 <Avatar> swallow the bad guys whole
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18:55:07 <Mekkis> heh. most recent FAQ...
18:55:15 <Mekkis> Concealment and Precision Damage: Does concealment (the 20% kind, not total concealment) negate all kinds of precision damage? There is some confusion from the multiple places where precision damage appears.
18:55:15 <Mekkis> Yes, in general concealment does negate all kinds of precision damage, unless you have a special ability that particularly says otherwise like the Shadow Strike feat or the Unchained rogue’s sneak attack.
19:06:32 <steven> in core you're limited to the selections in the core rule book.
19:23:22 <Avatar> what's that about
19:23:52 <Mekkis> or the Unchained rogue’s sneak attack.
19:27:14 <Avatar> meaning what
19:35:03 <Mekkis> they'ree talking more about unchained
19:38:12 <Avatar> I didn't realise that book is coming out is only a couple of weeks
19:38:15 <Avatar> I thought it was coming out at gencon
19:38:31 <Avatar> they've released two blogs about it
19:38:36 <Avatar> in the past 2 weeks
20:03:10 <Mekkis> mmm
20:03:29 <Mekkis> hopefully it's a prelude to a Pathfinder reboot
20:11:56 <Mekkis> @=
20:12:05 <Steven1> installing me some neverwinter nights 2
20:13:13 <Mekkis> awesome. Want to do something multiplayer?
20:15:06 <Steven1> mebe later... I still need to remember how to play lol
20:16:29 <vpsirc> heh
20:18:40 <Steven1> this migraine sucks a fatty dick
20:20:45 <Steven1> installing mask of the betrayer
20:23:23 <Mekkis> I always liked MotB
20:23:32 <Mekkis> it's in my Top 5 computer games
20:23:42 <Avatar> Pathfinder 2nd edition methinx
20:24:38 <Steven1> i dont remember anything about the game, its been too long.
20:25:53 <Mekkis> I am cursed with a very good memory
20:26:38 <Steven1> I remember mostly mathmatical formulas dealing with how water/pollutants move through the ground.
20:26:53 <Mekkis> You did geophysics?
20:27:32 <Steven1> I spent 4 years at the University studying Hydrogeology until i was struck by chronic migraines.
20:28:19 <Mekkis> Have you heard of MASW?
20:28:23 <Steven1> It really sucks.
20:29:04 <Steven1> A bit yeah.
20:30:46 <Steven1> To be completely honest, most of what i did was check peoples math.
20:30:55 <Steven1> I'm really good at math.
20:31:17 <Steven1> and theres 2 types of hydrogeologits, those who do math and those who do field work.
20:32:11 <Steven1> ooooooh... storm of zehir.
20:32:16 <Steven1> i might have to buy that.
20:32:22 <Steven1> never knew they came out with another expansion
20:40:40 <Mekkis> I didn't particularly like it
20:41:47 <Steven1> this update is taking forever.
20:50:46 <StevenM> down chillin at the shop
21:13:42 <Mekkis> get better interwebs
21:16:37 <Steven1> wasnt on my end i dont believe.
21:19:37 <Steven1> alright, starting to play.
21:28:01 <Steven1> i think im going to do something i dont normally do.
21:28:04 <Steven1> I'm going to go full evil.
21:39:00 <Mekkis> "HTML's a cheap whore. Treating her with respect is possible, and even
21:39:00 <Mekkis> preferable, because once upon a time she was a beautiful and virginal
21:39:00 <Mekkis> format, but you shouldn't expect too much of her at this point."
21:39:00 <Mekkis> --M"K"H
21:53:14 <Mekkis> Steven1, seen the description for Oldlaw Whiskey in Adventurer's Armoury?
22:05:32 <Avatar> I like this: The pitch was simple: "Let us do a book filled with whatever crazy ideas we have floating around in our heads". He said "no". I said, "Wait though, allow me to explain, our crazy ideas might make the game better." He said "tell me more"
22:16:59 <Mekkis> really?
22:17:38 <Mekkis> I'd rather a pitch like "Let's go back and fix all those things that don't work, don't fit with the power level, and are really unintuitive, and put them in a book."
22:17:58 <Avatar> I like erik's reponses better
22:18:14 <Avatar> he said "no"
22:25:50 <Mekkis> Pathfinder doesn't need "new, crazy ideas"
22:31:22 <Avatar> oh yes it does
22:31:27 <Avatar> new crazy ideas will save the rogue
22:32:14 <Mekkis> not new and crazy
22:44:39 <Steven1> no
22:44:48 <Steven1> well probably have, just dont recall it.
22:45:18 <Mekkis> Oldlaw Whiskey: This single-malt whiskey is made in
22:45:18 <Mekkis> Molthune at a distillery that has existed longer than the
22:45:18 <Mekkis> country itself. The smooth rye whiskey is a favorite of old
22:45:18 <Mekkis> soldiers everywhere.
22:47:45 <Steven1> damn it... the game is bugged. when i pick up the shard in the swamp it wont trigger the cut scene
22:51:31 <Mekkis> pretty sure that single malt whiskey can't be rye whiskey. By definition
23:04:58 <Steven1> hipster jargon maybe
23:14:21 <Steven1> fixed it.
23:14:30 <Steven1> had to debug the game, but i got the conversation to load.
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